WCS Valencia Finals! Has(Cheeselord) vs Serral(The Finnisher)

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  • Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
  • The dramatic conclusion of another exciting WCS Circuit event, and a dramatic clash of two very very different players and playstyles.
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  • @cjfletcher325
    @cjfletcher325 6 лет назад +121

    Thank you Has for making professional players feel the pain of the lower ladder cheeseland!

    • @hungnguyendo7843
      @hungnguyendo7843 6 лет назад +7

      cjfletcher325 it’s no longer just the lower league man. Now the whole NA server is cheesy. If you hate cheese, play on EU.

    • @AbyssPriestess
      @AbyssPriestess 6 лет назад +3

      If you play EU you're just going to get cheesed.

    • @justthattaco531
      @justthattaco531 6 лет назад +10

      Sooner or later, they are going to make AI cheese too, you'll never be safe.

    • @cjfletcher325
      @cjfletcher325 6 лет назад +2

      JustThatTaco technically is AI cheese....(rushes)

    • @jaronschut1086
      @jaronschut1086 5 лет назад +6

      @@justthattaco531 AlphaCheese is the new Google project

  • @fdist04
    @fdist04 6 лет назад +179

    Has is playing Protoss just like Terran, clearing creep with his mineral based units, with a warp prism medivac transport, charge as stim LOL

    • @KenjiVdusc
      @KenjiVdusc 5 лет назад +1

      Roasted Lemon what’s that avatar @„Roasted Lemon“

    • @Cossaw
      @Cossaw 5 лет назад +2

      @@KenjiVdusc It's Yukino Yukinoshita from OreGairu. Hope that helps.

  • @mmachine101
    @mmachine101 6 лет назад +95

    it's actually good and incredible at the same time that players are bringing something new and unique on the table after so many years. Has' strategies are all around the containing of the opponent in the main, or at best the natural. He focuses on that, leaving behind all the common fundamentals (both strategic and technical) of the game. that is AWESOME, even if he loses (btw he got to the finals which is still a huge result).

    • @nelsoncheng2674
      @nelsoncheng2674 6 лет назад

      spirit_crusher spirit crusher? Are you going to crush spirits?

    • @iagmusicandflying
      @iagmusicandflying 6 лет назад +12

      This is such fun to watch gameplay. This game stagnates at the pro level so much that it's more like a formal dance and the one to lose is usually just the first one to make a mistake. To use a music analogy, most pro players are like math rock shred masters who have completely mastered their instruments but have no soul and Has is like an old blues player whose technique might not be the best, but they play three notes and you have goosebumps. If he makes the other pros start to play with heart, then so much the better.

    • @saltedllama2759
      @saltedllama2759 6 лет назад +1

      It isn't breaking the norms. It's a new spin on the old cannon-rush before the TO's re-mapped ramps so they couldn't be blocked.
      It's also not "playing with soul." It's simply playing with, "I can't compete with the best, so I'll use every cheesy shortcut I can come up with and hope to steal the win."
      It is interesting - for now - but it will get old. That said, I do agree that the top level is a bit like a formality now. It's just perfect timing and mechanics to the point that you wonder why a calculator doesn't just decide who wins. Have you ever met them in person? They have such insane OCD at the concept of ever doing anything off script from a build order or timing perspective.

    • @xGriffy93
      @xGriffy93 6 лет назад

      can you really call it cheese if it works on a consistent basis ?

  • @朕是神
    @朕是神 6 лет назад +95

    And today, dreams were dashed, memes were created, Serral won the game, and Has won my heart.

  • @frozznsky
    @frozznsky 6 лет назад +11

    I love the overlay of Winter swimming in the Spawningpool :D

  • @HungPham-nf5ur
    @HungPham-nf5ur 6 лет назад +3

    In all honesty without a lick of sarcasm, this is one of the best finals I have ever seen. It is so refreshing to see a player such as Has at this level. He reminds me of my all time favorite player SoS but more extreme on the cheesy side. StarCraft is a strategy game but with most the pros playing the conventional ways even with their god-like apm and mindgames, it gets boring for me. But this, this I can watch all day long. This is why I love Has and SoS.

  • @YammoYammamoto
    @YammoYammamoto 6 лет назад +18

    Sadface... hoped Has would take home the victory...
    In a way - Has did win - because I usually find Starcraft matches utterly dull to watch, but this tournament I was glued to the screen.
    Thank you for the entertainment Has!

  • @grassytiger
    @grassytiger 6 лет назад +7

    Watching Has play has really made me appreciate Serral. Has just makes some blatant mistakes, losing those immortals in game 3 and stuff like that I really think he would have won some more games in this series.

  • @ceapy
    @ceapy 5 лет назад +4

    10:08 perfect music timing lol

  • @tostadadenada
    @tostadadenada 6 лет назад +3

    used to be the biggest mlg sc2 nerd back in the beginning, and after watching some pro play for the first time in years, i can say this guy is a great caster lol. want to pat him on the back

  • @elementbender1
    @elementbender1 6 лет назад +4

    You're right about serral interviews. Almost as emotionless as abuthur, but twice as efficient at zerg clearly.

    • @Ianuarius
      @Ianuarius 6 лет назад +2

      If you've ever seen an interview by a Finnish dude, like Patrik Laine or Kimi Räikkönen... they're all exactly the same.

  • @wraithcraftgaming6891
    @wraithcraftgaming6891 6 лет назад +12

    Has's micro is incredible, but Serral's macro is just too good

  • @davidbodor1762
    @davidbodor1762 6 лет назад +1

    That HAS to be the best Warp Prism micro ever...

  • @lightdx7008
    @lightdx7008 6 лет назад +31

    First time in my life that i see such proxy Hatchery.

    • @B1gLupu
      @B1gLupu 6 лет назад +8

      Nerchio did that vs Has earlier in the tournament and I guess Serral figured that it was a good idea. Serral is notorious for picking up strats on the fly and either using them or adapting them for his future games. The man is a knowledge sponge.

    • @frederikspitra7832
      @frederikspitra7832 6 лет назад +2

      LIGHTDX So you are gonna cheese my cheese? Time to smell the bacon!

    • @BcDyxaLKgoNdgU
      @BcDyxaLKgoNdgU 6 лет назад

      The mental speed serral has is incredible, im convinced he processes information twice as fast as the others.

  • @JeffreyKader
    @JeffreyKader 6 лет назад +10

    Chargelots didn't work the first time, better keep doing it.

  • @manningbartlett522
    @manningbartlett522 4 года назад +1

    Despite being a Serral fan and always sad to see him lose a map, game #2 is possibly my favourite SC2 game of all time. Hilarious.

  • @numa_kai
    @numa_kai 6 лет назад +2

    26:53 MAH HEART WAS POUNDING AF

  • @probablyTreedENT
    @probablyTreedENT 5 лет назад +1

    "if he just got rid of the probe he could get rid of so many probelems!"

  • @justins.7783
    @justins.7783 5 лет назад +1

    hes like the abathur of protoss

  • @luizgustavodematospaiva2507
    @luizgustavodematospaiva2507 6 лет назад

    10:08 oh, the tension music came right on time

  • @tuahsakato17
    @tuahsakato17 6 лет назад +2

    HAS is an absolute MADLAD

  • @MsNotorials
    @MsNotorials 6 лет назад

    33:09
    When you think of a funny joke but you miss your opportunity.

  • @takunveritas
    @takunveritas 6 лет назад +1

    Serral: why you no meta?!
    Has:. Pfft, tactics...

  • @sillysaili
    @sillysaili 6 лет назад +1

    I think Has will have an allergic reaction now. Taking a third gas! Blech! He is SOO allergic to that THING!

  • @QuakePhil
    @QuakePhil 6 лет назад +3

    34:20 if he just got rid of the probe, he could get rid of so many probelems 8) 8) 8)

  • @zaxtonhong3958
    @zaxtonhong3958 6 лет назад +14

    8:45
    Too real

  • @tobiasstamenkovic9628
    @tobiasstamenkovic9628 4 года назад

    You know, "Cheesecraft" is a much more entertaining spectator-sport... :p
    I mean, watching SOS cheese game after game got me interested in this stuff to begin with.

  • @cronk3468
    @cronk3468 4 года назад

    Yo. Give it to Has. Doesn't follow the META. Comes up with his own things. Makes it work. Best player ever. Absolute best.

  • @asrasrdai
    @asrasrdai 6 лет назад +7

    This game, the protoss looks like zerg and the zerg looks like terran

  • @Dusk-MTG
    @Dusk-MTG 5 лет назад +1

    I don't think Has should have left Game 3. Without roach warren and spawning pool all Serral could build was drones and overlords. It is hard to kill zergling with immortals, but with some patience he could have done it. Spawning pool take a lot of time and also Serral couldn't afford much spending with that few drones. 200 minerals + 1 drone for the pool is a lot. If you want a roach warren as well you need another drone and 150 minerals. This is taking a lot of time. With good micro I think Has could have won, even with just 3 immortals.

  • @michaelkawamura9296
    @michaelkawamura9296 6 лет назад +10

    Has played really boring this tournament. Yes, they were off meta builds, but he typically went seven gate zealot rush 80% of the matches in the ENTIRE tournament.

  • @markpardede3255
    @markpardede3255 5 лет назад +1

    If you cheese in every single of your game can you even call it a cheese anymore?
    PS: no hate towards cheeses and/or Has I love everyone

  • @DSxnoobkiller
    @DSxnoobkiller 6 лет назад +2

    Man I miss husky so so much

  • @DenverPL
    @DenverPL 6 лет назад +35

    bo7 -> 55 minutes ;]

  • @Dadbod007
    @Dadbod007 5 лет назад

    The cheese is so good. Serrel was close to losing a few times there.

  • @pisic9022
    @pisic9022 6 лет назад +4

    HAS is my favorite player

    • @pisic9022
      @pisic9022 6 лет назад

      I mean come on he cheesed his whole career and got to the finals,second place like wtf

    • @malcomclark2261
      @malcomclark2261 6 лет назад +1

      darkhorse0404 nothing wrong with cheese

    • @AdmiralBison
      @AdmiralBison 5 лет назад

      Malcom Clark what if your cheesing doesn’t work and get beaten 4-1?

  • @ramzabeoulve3245
    @ramzabeoulve3245 6 лет назад

    So is this Has guy the 4th race?

  • @popkhorne5372
    @popkhorne5372 6 лет назад +6

    Deja vu ! I have been to this place before !( didnt lowko cast it ? Or sc2hl?)

    • @lukea2871
      @lukea2871 6 лет назад +2

      Pop Khorne both...

    • @popkhorne5372
      @popkhorne5372 6 лет назад +3

      STAR MAN hahaha but i guess thats fair i mean its fckin has vs fckin serral in a final

    • @guillermoroldan8074
      @guillermoroldan8074 6 лет назад +7

      They did, but winter is far more entertaining and he doesnt just cast the games he explains in detail whats going on

    • @davidbodor1762
      @davidbodor1762 6 лет назад

      I always thought the song says I have been to space before.

  • @Bamwich
    @Bamwich 6 лет назад +1

    just make a few more queens! seriously would squash all these cheese attempts.

  • @AdmiralBison
    @AdmiralBison 6 лет назад

    how come all that cheese didn't work?!?
    😋

  • @jine7123
    @jine7123 4 года назад

    Cheeselord xD Btw, Has is great. Shakin up the meta, makin the pros feel some ladder pain!

  • @TheSteinbitt
    @TheSteinbitt 6 лет назад

    Its funny that Pewdiepie influences how other people speak now, thats how big he is.

    • @adrianbundy3249
      @adrianbundy3249 6 лет назад

      Um... No.
      You realize that Pewdiepie wasn't the first one who invented that way of speaking, right? That shit is old. At best, he popularized it more off his personal brand he grew into a juggernaut, with a lot of factors going into it, but also, yeah, with that noteworthy personality.

  • @thetruedjlivewire
    @thetruedjlivewire 3 года назад

    is it just me, or does this gameplay look more starcraft then current or prior. 9 unit micro to determine the ability to play the game...

  • @chitototoy176
    @chitototoy176 5 лет назад

    Gotta give it to HAS, he's got balls, big balls, to pull these stunts

    • @AdmiralBison
      @AdmiralBison 5 лет назад

      Well maybe because he had no other choice.
      If you cannot match Serral in mechanics, play to your strengths.
      Tactics - Scarlett
      Speed - Rayner
      Cheese - Has

    • @chitototoy176
      @chitototoy176 5 лет назад

      @@AdmiralBison i like it. He has an approach all his own. I only wish his approach can guarantee a better win rate. Cause its freaking great to see in action.

  • @achillesfury
    @achillesfury 6 лет назад +1

    Not even close baby

  • @tsarbombahoney2764
    @tsarbombahoney2764 6 лет назад

    This was not as entertaining as the breaking the meta video and ruined my self cause someone suggested i watch this from last video but watched for winter commentary since he is the best caster imo XD

  • @thamor4746
    @thamor4746 6 лет назад +1

    Hey, don't diss the mentality of Finns we aren't yelling Americans alright =)

  • @noexitnoproblem6037
    @noexitnoproblem6037 6 лет назад +3

    Guys. can someone please PRO-toss my salad? That would be great.

  • @KBBF3
    @KBBF3 6 лет назад

    Who’s better, dark or serral?

    • @AdmiralBison
      @AdmiralBison 5 лет назад

      Have you watched their matchups all year in 2018?

  • @benjaminwhite2909
    @benjaminwhite2909 5 лет назад

    Has just needs a transitional plan. You cant just have plan A and nothing else. That's not a good strategy

  • @owengrant9066
    @owengrant9066 6 лет назад

    starcraft isnt on steam :(

    • @johnuferbach9166
      @johnuferbach9166 6 лет назад +1

      its on battle.net like all the blizzard games^^

  • @jakubkondak9509
    @jakubkondak9509 6 лет назад

    Hello there Winter!

  • @numa_kai
    @numa_kai 6 лет назад

    42:58 name of song?

  • @neofurygaming3937
    @neofurygaming3937 6 лет назад +5

    winter do you think you could make it to code s

    • @ramireini
      @ramireini 6 лет назад +14

      Winter does not want to play competitively because according to his own words he sucks. He would rather be a streamer / entertainer.

  • @damienthc
    @damienthc 6 лет назад

    I wonder why the zerg never tried to 12 pool 13 gas when he knew he was getting cheese everygame.

    • @Shivana246
      @Shivana246 6 лет назад +2

      I believe the mindset is that to win, he needs to both survive and have the economy to overcome the opponent. if you simply play a faster build for units, you lose out of the progression you are needing for the mid game, making Has's gameplan more effective.

    • @hungnguyendo7843
      @hungnguyendo7843 6 лет назад

      Alan Frias ruclips.net/video/hibHEveElro/видео.html if u Watch this video, u will understand why ppl like playing long game vs Has. Just watch game 3, starting from 39:32.

  • @sasinmo
    @sasinmo 6 лет назад

    Has is so outclassed what am I watching

  • @timelordEnder
    @timelordEnder 6 лет назад

    As a bronze protoss myself, Has is my hero!

  • @ariochdemon
    @ariochdemon 5 лет назад

    how the hell did has get to the final any way?!!! HE IS SO BAD!!!

  • @suddenpenguin
    @suddenpenguin 4 года назад

    has is the opposite of maru

  • @apotheosis140
    @apotheosis140 6 лет назад +3

    I watched that 2nd game on stream and I had a seizure

  • @Henri-email-archive
    @Henri-email-archive 6 лет назад +3

    Yes, that oracle was clearly very turned on

  • @lexvtd
    @lexvtd 6 лет назад

    When you see serral 1300 apm :)

  • @Gredddfe
    @Gredddfe 6 лет назад +1

    FINNISH HIM!

  • @calliph
    @calliph 6 лет назад

    Micro vs macro on display here.

    • @xgladar
      @xgladar 6 лет назад +3

      serral displayed better micro as well so no

  • @ninaleven3590
    @ninaleven3590 6 лет назад

    One third of the day one

  • @bruffen9559
    @bruffen9559 6 лет назад

    gotta love HAS xD

  • @youtheneyes
    @youtheneyes 4 года назад

    Has is a POS for trying to cheese 3 times in a row like this..

  • @riverpacem2568
    @riverpacem2568 6 лет назад

    “Cheeselord”

  • @Joppsta360
    @Joppsta360 6 лет назад

    I feel like I would like your content more if your microphone volume was higher than the background crap going on. I feel like I have to concentrate to listen to what you're saying.
    Just my 2 cents.

  • @abdulazizluqman1428
    @abdulazizluqman1428 6 лет назад

    i wanted the cheezlord to bring it home for us dirty cheese players

  • @barshalen99
    @barshalen99 6 лет назад

    Serral 2 op

  • @SuperSpamish
    @SuperSpamish 5 лет назад

    Do you have to have your face on the whole fkn video?

  • @Meowmeow.age.6
    @Meowmeow.age.6 6 лет назад +1

    PROOF WE NEED TO BUILD A WALL! TRUMP 2020

  • @pisic9022
    @pisic9022 6 лет назад +3

    Has should ve won

    • @sp4tenkeks289
      @sp4tenkeks289 6 лет назад +1

      If you really think that I can't express my feelings without insulting you ...

    • @pisic9022
      @pisic9022 6 лет назад

      Sp4tenkeks fucc off

    • @sp4tenkeks289
      @sp4tenkeks289 6 лет назад +1

      Why? Serral is just overall the better player, that's why he wins everything outside of korea right now and cheese is definitly not what will break the brick wall that is know to us as Serral.

    • @pisic9022
      @pisic9022 6 лет назад

      Yeah but has cheesed sooo much,he wemt for the most retarded strats and won,serral is kinda standard

    • @sp4tenkeks289
      @sp4tenkeks289 6 лет назад +1

      And why would "retarded" strats be good? Cheese definitly has it's place in Starcraft 2 but as soon as cheese makes it to the final of a big tournament, something is wrong. Oh and btw isn't it a lot more interesting to see 2 really good players (Showtime vs Serral) fight it out a final in long macro games from which you can learn to improve your own gameplay or would you rather watch this lame final with Serral stomping the cheese?

  • @ultimatevideos7188
    @ultimatevideos7188 6 лет назад

    The match is great. But the commentator us sooooo boring

  • @landonhigginbotham6107
    @landonhigginbotham6107 6 лет назад

    I wish has would shower and get a haircut before her goes to these events. I root against him simply because of how deplorable he looks whenever he shows up.

  • @Internetbutthurt
    @Internetbutthurt 5 лет назад

    Has is not Cheese he is just Mr Unconventional. Most entertaining player.