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- Shannon Sharpe doesn't think the media has been fair to Peyton Manning, here's why.
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Sharpe is 100% right. Back when Brady had the better teams no one wanted to bring that up but now people want to bring it up that Manning has the better team.
Wrong! I'm not a big fan of either guy. But Peyton had Sanders, Freeny, Mathis, Edge Wayne, Harrison, & Clark and he would lose wild card games to San Diego, Pittsburg, Jets...even with that win Peyton is still 13-13 all time in the playoffs with 6 one and done loses. Despite what everyone is saying Brady was a 2 PT conversion from going to OT. lol
+Ben Unanaowo Bob Sanders? seriously? The injury prone guy? Freeney and Mathis were good but they are not hall of fame guaranteed. Look at all the hall of fame worthy guys that played on the Pats. Steelers? you mean when Vanderjagt miss the FG while Brady had Vinateri? Jets, ah. You mean when Caldwell called timeout for no reason while the colts had the lead and the jets had no timeout. Chargers you mean when the Special team was terrible when the KR mishandled the ball and nobody could tackle Sproles.
malkoLinge2080 so you one of those Peyton apologist.
Who's fault was it when Peyton lost 41-0 to the Jets in 2001? What about the chargers loss where Sproles out scored him?
Before Vanderjaget missed that difficult 47+ yd FG I remember Manning blowing a FG attempt by waving the special teams off and missing a 4th down throw earlier in the quarter. I also remember him having the refs take an INT away from Troy P on some BS.
Wayne Harrison Saturday all HOF players and Edge is borderline because Manning didn't give him the ball in the playoffs.
The only SB Peyton ever won he threw more INT'S then TD'S in the post season. And Mr. Sanders and those pass rushers along with a running game won him a SB.
Point is when prep out ways being clutch in the regular season against the AFC South and AFC West he's great. When the game tightens up and teams give their all he wiltered. Stop making excuses. Farve did everything he did without stability, HOF offensive players, and playing when the NFL didn't pamper QB's.
Peyton in 13-13 what excuse did you have for the SEA game ?
+Ben Unanaowo Wasn't there fumbles and missed FG in that Jets game? Manning didn't give Edge the ball and he led the league in rushing in the first two years ? and had 1,000 yards? Come on man!!! lol Sanders only played 4 games the superbowl year lool Favre? Favre man? The guy who has the most Ints ever and gave a games aways. Favre won a SB because of Reggie White and Desmond Howard. The drama king. I have excuses for SEA . The Sea defense. It was great. Did you see Decker getting open?
Uh seattle had one of the best defenses of all-time? And usually the team with the better defense wins the game cus defense wins championships. Unless that defense plays with tom brady of course lol.
Oh yah, brady had the best coach of all-time his whole career. Peyton has been coached by goobers. He's taken 4 different coaches to the superbowl, and 2 of them during their first year with the team. Peyton has done things no other player has done.
Wow brady is just like starr, bradshaw, montana, magic, mj, kobe, duncan. He's talented, best coach, stacked team, of course he got a lot of rings. It happens every decade in every sport..
Peyton Manning has taken 2 teams, with 4 different coaches to a Super Bowl, 5 time MVP and beat Tom Brady 3-1 in AFC Championship games... Give me Manning
Shaun G Official Put manning in super bowl 51 and tell me they win that game
@Adam Castagnetti Doesn't choke! How about when they were 18-0! Tom Brady was mad because Plexico predicted 20-17 victory and Brady laughs "he only giving us 17" Well 17pts was too many as they only scored 10. CHOKE! Even in last year's SB Patriots offense was awful. Not really should I hate on Brady though because he is truly great but Manning in my opinion was equally as great as an individual.
@Adam Castagnetti He? Or do you mean Patriots? If Vinitari misses the kicks in the first few SB does that make Brady a lesser QB. If Eli doesn't make a miracle play and Julian Edleman catches a long pass at end of another SB does that make Brady better somehow. Answer is obviously no. Brady is great because you can see that. We like the media lose logic when it comes to sports. You can certainly make the case for Brady being the best ever but titles shouldn't be the main reason. Look at Manning's team record win he doesn't play vs Brady's. It's staggering. Belichick was so afraid of Manning that he went against all logic and went for it on 4th deep in his own territory to avoid Peyton which cost his team the game. Ultimate sign of respect.
Brady took a losing franchise, to the won the superbowl. And actually was the main qb. Give me Goat brady.
Uh huh at least Brady's corpse didn't get dragged to his second ring
Thank you Shannon Sharpe. I have been saying this for years. When Peyton was putting up stats, it didn't matter because he lost the games. Now he is winning games without the stats, it is flipped. People need to go back to see how many yards Brady had when he was winning all the superbowls.
+malkoLinge2080 : All right then, in his four SB wins, Brady threw for 145, 354, 236 and 328 yards. There you go.
As far as defenses go, you're right-- neither Brady nor Manning have won a SB without a good/great/solid defense. But for some reason, there's a general perception of Brady being "clutch" and Manning being a "choker".
And we might actually be able to compare the reactions to a complete and utter Brady debacle with a complete and utter Peyton debacle, if what I think is going to happen in SB 50 happens.
IS Brady getting any kind of "free pass" for his horrid performance vs Denver yesterday? Or is his "legacy in tatters"? I myself haven't heard one word about Brady's legacy today. I guess that must be reserved for winning and losing SBs...
Thank you for the stats but if you read my sentences clearly. I was not saying only superbowls. I said when he was winning all the superbowls. I am talking about the other playoffs games also. My main point was that Brady's teammates plays have always been overlook while he would make 1 or two great plays. Don't get me wrong, he is great. He is just not that better than Manning as People(ESPN) claim.
+malkoLinge2080 : Ah, I guess I misunderstood the line "go back to see how many yards Brady had when he was winning all the super bowls". I assumed you were just referring to the super bowls.
Well, pretty much every all-time great QB's teammates' plays have been overlooked in their SB wins. I mean, unless it's the same Steel Curtain defense for the entire run (1974-79) or an Emmitt Smith (1992-95) or a slew of HOFers ('60s Packers), then yeah, the QB is going to get the lion's share of the attention-- i.e. "credit". That's just how it is in the NFL. Always has been for the most part.
I don't know though... judging from what I've seen in the last 12 months, I don't think ESPN is exactly the Tom Brady Fan Club....
exactly malkoLinge! in the 2000's it was always determined by the most complete team and not individual performance. When Tom Brady won he didn't throw for 300-400 yards all the time he around 240 or lower. He had some game with just a single TD or two. It was the defensive scheme and player from Bellichick and Seymour, Bruschi, Law, Harrison, Willie McGinnest, Vrabel that won those games. Not Tom.
+Eric Alfaro Dude, you have no idea how many times I have said that to people. They are tone deaf.
The Colts were 2-14 without Peyton. Patriots are 14-6 without Brady. Peyton has taken 2 teams and 4 different coaches to a Superbowl.
neobootsonious Finally, the truth revealed. Thank you.
As a Bronco fan we missed all playoffs THREE years ever since he left, it sucks watching this team constantly fall apart without a leader every year
Damm right lets see Brady go to another team and win , why do u think he went upstairs to kraft because he knew he would get exposed with bellichick in this point of his career, Peyton s aid bring it on! When it's at kicked him out and look what he did case closed!
The Colts yanked that year 😂
@@kamerondunnuck6759 With that logic LeBron is better than Jordan cuz he won with a different coach and different team.
peyton manning was the first QB to start reading the defense and changing plays right there at the line and the best at it
Robert mathews how long have you been watching
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe not the first, but definitely revolutionized the practice
@@IlllIIlIIlI did it best and probably better than any QB will do for some time. he was the offensive coordinator on the field.
Johnny Unitas
Head to head literally doesn't mean a thing. They're not on the field together. It's Brady vs Manning's defense, and Manning vs Brady's defense
Sharpe always bringing in that truth
+Sports Talk with Van Mor no he is right because when Brady had a better D and the win no one said the shit they saying about Peyton but now since Brady lost there bunch of excuses. Media always has excuses when they wrong but if they rite they wanna run there mouth like they kno . Colin also backtrack after missing the SB pick to
+Sports Talk with Van Mor His kicker bailed them out
The second Super Bowl against Carolina the kicker bail out wouldn't have been necessary had that kicker not missed two field goals earlier in the game.
+Sports Talk with Van Mor your talking about a Patriots defense that held the greatest show on turf in Faulk and Werner in there primes to 17 points and you actually convinced yourself the defense choked lmao!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂 if it weren't for there defense they wouldn't even be in the situation for vinatari to bail Brady and that whole team out.
+Sports Talk with Van Mor your argument is flawed.
It was really Peyton vs Bellichick not Peyton vs Brady. Brady's not the defensive coordinator for the Patriots.
Because Peyton has been soooooo good in the playoffs. 😑
@@kevinderr8406 Very true! He has winning record in the playoff vs the Patriots and has been to four SB. That's how good Manning was that 4 SB appearances is seen as a failure.
beright714 Lol, I’m surprised people want to bring up his playoff record.
Yes, he’s a 2x SB winner, and he’s a great QB. I like Peyton, so I’m not going to bring up the inconvenient facts about his performance in the playoffs throughout his entire career.
Kevin Derr Peyton no doubt laid some goose eggs in the post season. You can’t take away though that he got it done on 3 separate occasions against the greatest dynasty of all time with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line. The first of those 3 times being an epic comeback in Indianapolis, which ironically led to Brady throwing a pick when the game was on the line.
Kevin Derr yeah, and he was the worst QB in the league that year. People seem to forget just how awful he was that year. But that Denver defense was historically good.
Brady beats Manning: Brady is the GOAT
Manning beats Brady: look at his receivers, look at his defense.
The bottom line is this: Cameron Fleming can't block Von Miller. This had very little to do with Manning or Brady. This had to do with Von Miller and Demarcus Ware and that Broncos pass rush.
Erik Merrill Brady threw three picks, manning threw 2 tds, the qb play made a lot more of a difference then people think.
andromeda gen Yes why do you think that? Maybe the Pass Rush affected QB play?
You Manning sycophants love to say "3 picks." That is false and betrays your haterade. The two-point conversion does not count as an interception, as much as you'd like it to.
And you are the king of saying "titles don't matter." Such a flaming hypocrite.
I think Shannon Sharpe just dropped the mic.
+George Krontiris Into his open mouth.....Shannon Sharpe? Jealous :P
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On himself. Because a year after this interview he called Tom Brady the greatest player of all time.
Shannon Sharpe is speaking the absolute truth.
SARGON ADAM he’s speaking facts
its the narrative brady got more bowls so people wanna always say brady better strictly off superbowls
False.
i mean if jordan gets to be goat for the same reason than yes he deserves to be the best qb. if not for the other career records he holds
Nat1Crew basketball is very much different than football. Team success rides much more heavily on individual talents than football. But you don't have to look mainly at rings to define Jordan's all time greatness either. The man did it all with virtually no weaknesses in his game. But back to my other point, what if I told you that arguably nothing in sports is more systematic than an NFL offense. Quarterbacks can improvise from time to time, but are tightly bounded by what the system dictates.
It's not the only reason. Brady was a critical part to his team's 4 Super Bowl runs, while Peyton played awful during his 2 runs.
Peyton also got to play against two AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL super bowl opponents especially those '06 Bears what a TRAVESTY of a conference winning team lmao... Brady plays the greatest show on turf, top 2 defense in CAR, top 2 defense in Philly, best defense of the decade in Seattle and the greatest show on turf 2 in ATL......
Manning the best to EVER play QB. Period!!!
Dedric Sanders aaron rodgers he is peyton mannin wit legs
Not really. Rodgers hasn't done a whole lot by comparison.
Dedric Sanders LOL!!!
Ballin Too no not at all I like Aaron Rodgers but Peyton was unique, he was like a coach playing in the QB spot this guy could read any defense and change the play into his favor, that’s what made him one of the best
@@the0ff5pr1ng2 and whats aaron he's all that and more
Brady Has not beat Manning in the Playoffs for 11 years
+Mobile253 : If Peyton hadn't choked against the Chargers (2007), Ravens (2012) and Colts (2014), there would have been three more Peyton vs Brady AFCC games--- ALL in Foxboro.
You know how you go 3-1 in AFCC games vs Brady and how you go 11 years without losing to him in the playoffs? By CHOKING in the game right before the AFCC game.
+777zippy777
2012 would have been in Denver and you would have been without Gronk.
Nice catch. Still, that's three chokes by Manning that left Brady without his favorite punching bag.
+777zippy777 typical Brady supporter. You call manning out for choking in 2012 when Brady lost to the exact same Ravens team that would win the Super Bowl. I don't care if you think Brady is better then manning but have your facts straight and make sure your argument is valid.
+Cody Gallegos ^^^^^^
Manning has 10 rings
If he was with Bellachick
facts
onion rings?
Lol no
I agree with some of what Shannon Sharpe is saying however he forgets to mention that the Denver Broncos defense beat Tom Brady not Peyton Manning. Tom Brady was under severe pressure in that AFC game and he still had a much better game than Peyton Manning did so technically Tom Brady did beat Peyton Manning in the AFC game as a quarterback unfortunately there are other factors in a football game.
1-5 vs the Manning Brothers in Championship games
*****
It's one thing to call on stats but the eye test is more humanistic. Brady was pressured a lot more than Peyton in that game, that stat is so much more important than any other stats but some how it never gets brought. I said Brady played better I didn't say he played much better like what you are saying I said.
Just like the Patriots defenses in 03 and 04 beat Manning, not Brady.
manning always had a better pass rush than tom brady-- mathis & freeny
Shannon must be high.
Broncos are stacked AF. Best secondary arguably, best pass rush arguably, best receivers arguably... they don't have a big weakness except at QB.
Trevor Siemian is 4-0 with a 99 rating!!! Who???
Manning was garbage last year and the Broncos D stepped up and carried the team. The end.
yeah... about that lol
Lol you thought
Funny how their QB was a problem last year. And once they lost Manning they missed they playoffs
Best receivers? You're joking right. There elite but they drop the ball to often to be the best ARGUABLY. Ps im a broncos fan
Mike Ansley And so you're saying Brady was never rescued by his defense in the postseason? Seriously?
Preach Shannon!!! You're all out of excuses Patriots fans!
We don't need excuses we just won a sb which made it 4 lmao and we'll be contending again next year life is fuckin great for us u salty bitch lmao
Quest4Truth Salty?? Salty about what bitch? We ended your undefeated streak and sent your asses home again for the playoffs, oh and btw we're now the reigning defending Super Bowl champs. Salty??😂😂
Peyton is better than Brady, but the better team wins in a team sport.
My boy Shannon Sharpe spewing the truth
I usually agree with Colin, but Shannon got him on that one.
The last AFC loss in Denver was 100% Bronco Defense that beat New England and they barely pulled it off. Manning didn't do much but at least he didn't hurt his team by trying to do too much. He then repeated that performance in the Super Bowl and walked away a winner. That 2016 AFC win for Peyton was wrapped up and delivered to his doorstep. His other AFC wins over NEW and Brady were games he played well in and led his teams to victory...
Manning would have 6 rings easy with Belichick
hypothetical arguments are for dumb kids.
EARTH he's in his 8 an and the chance to win it
I think 7 or 8 easily
That makes no sense “Brady hasn’t beaten Manning in the playoffs for 11 yrs” if that’s the case Manning would’ve been in the Super Bowl more than Brady and any QB would have ever been. Tom Brady hasn’t lost not one playoff game since 2002 other than the AFC Champ if were not counting that Tom hasn’t lost but only ONE playoff game
So we not counting playoff losses for brady.
The Problem with Not do Sharp is when he was putting up stats but losing the games, he had 1st Rnd Talent for his offense.
When he was winning games and not putting up Numbers, he had 1st Round Offensive Talent.
So his Offensive Talent stayed the same, but his stats didn't. That is the issue.
Highlighted by his Offensive Failures in the Super Bowls he has played.
4 Games, 3 TDs, 5 Ints, 2 Pick 6's, 3 lost fumbles and an Int.
He gave away nearly as many points as he gained.
Jake Delhome has 3 tds, ZERO picks, Zero Pick 6s and no safeties in his Super Bowl Career.
Shannon Was Right.
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And his logic I could say Shannon sucks as a TE. He had John Elway and Ravens D win him rings. Shannon is just a hater.
Well said, Shannon Sharpe. . .Give Peyton Manning the same defensive cast Brady has had (and coaching), and he would have all those rings instead of Brady.
Give Brady Mannings weapons then and he'd still have his rings. Your point is invalid, error: 404
+Chris Kavanagh ok give brady marvin harrison, reggie wayne and edrine james and he will have all the records and the rings. manning threw INT's to lose the games he had a decent sometimes great defense
+Agent of Chaos oh my god man, not that Billy Volek game... don't forget the Dallas Clark dropped pass on 4th down. Shit memories.
+Agent of Chaos I'm speaking of the early 2000's, when the Patriots had excellent defenses. How many Super Bowls did those defenses win? Hmm?
Brady's 1st Super Bowl (win), they won inspite of Brady. Brady didn't do shit and didn't even start that season.
+Chris Kavanagh In the 2001 super bowl correct Brady was much of a game manager, pretty sure he just had a TD and a pick (he also had an incredible drive to set up the gw field goal), but in the next two super bowls he played very well and was at least as much of a factor as the defense was. Also his defenses were never GREAT outside of a year or two, he's had a consistently better defense (by about 4 ranks for both points and yards) but Manning has had a consistently way better receiving core. If you switch up teams and keep all other factors the same, Manning maybe gets two rings by the end of 2010. Brady definitely gets 2 or 3 rings by 2010 and has wayyy more yards, tds, and still way fewer INTs. Brady is better than Manning that's just the way it is.
Put Manning on the Pats since 2001 and the Pats have 5-6 rings. Manning and BB would be great even if they played on the Browns.
I disagree. Peyton and BB wouldn't have lasted as long together. Peyton likes to be the one in control, while the pats are Bill's team.
+josh mcdonald Manning can't play in cold weather, wind or snow.
Buzzbeat7268 that is true but since Manning arrived in Denver he's gotten better with it.
+josh mcdonald he's also had an all start cast of receivers.. something that new England didn't have until 2007 and hasn't had much of after.
Agent of Chaos Again man you commented the same thing on another post. 1. Why are you putting star in quotation marks like he hasn't played with star receivers, at least 2 of them will definitely be in the HoF and another 2 or 3 could be.
2. Outside of D. Thomas this year, what games? Which receivers? I have never noticed this phenomenon you speak of.
As rubbish as Brady's line played he was still one play away from taking the game into overtime. Manning couldn't afford to lose this game, Brady could. In all likelihood he'll be back in the AFC Championship game next year, Manning won't.
+LBigJake14 He has that ring though. And while Manning is not old Manning, his o-line is terrible as well. People seem to neglect that.
Michael Jacobson I know this is old but people also forget he was injured all season, and in a different offensive system for the first time in his career.
exactly no one ever wanted to bring up the fact tom brady had a better team but as soon as peyton might have a better team thats the first thing thats brought up SMH
Think about this: in 4 Super Bowl games Manning has had one TD drive in the 4th quarter - and that drive was for FOUR YARDS. 0 completions; 3 runs by CJ Anderson. How can ANYBODY say that a guy who never led a 4th quarter TD drive in the Super Bowl is the greatest? It's ridiculous if you think about it.
boring stat....Jordan never came back from 3,1 down in finals nor won a close game 7 like bird, kareem, magic, LeBron ...... guess he not better than those players 💤💤💤
little jonnie johnson - you have no idea what you are talking about.
maybe now just maybe cause manning teams were winning therefore he had no need for 4th quarter drives dude
TheBloodmist81 Pobrecito. Did you even watch the games? He threw a pcik-six to Tracy Porter in one to lose the game. How old are you, 10?
Brady's Patriots have scored 52 points in the 4th quarter of SBs. Manning hasn't even led a FG drive!
Mannings last playoff win over NE was a gift from his defense. Had that game been 5 minutes longer NE would have won... Manning was never big in the biggest games... He couldn't do what Brady just did in SB 49 and 51.
Peytons the goat period.
Peyton was a goat 9 One and Dones. Worst in NFL History. Brady is THE GOAT
@@travisdempster4693 Yeah...ok, Tom had a top 10 defense for damn near every year of his career where as Peyton only had a top 10 defense TWICE and won the SB both times. Peyton has WAY more personal accolades as well. I don’t want to hear that Peyton doesn’t have the clutch gene because 6 times where he lost in the playoffs, he drove his team into FG range but the kicker missed. He took 4 coaches and 2 teams to the SB. The SB against Seattle...the Broncos had 12 missing starters.
Think about it, in Brady’s first 2 SB wins, it was capped off with a FG from Adam. The 3rd one ended with a pick that sealed the games where his DEFENSE stepped up. Against the Seahawks? DEFENSE got a pick and sealed the game. SB against the Falcons? The Falcons would have won if they weren’t so pass happy and ran the ball in the 4th that’s just a fact. SB 53, Brady couldn’t get anything going but his DEFENSE stepped up and held the Rams to 3 points.
Anyone who watches and knows about football would take Manning over Brady any day.
@@kitkat6782 Peyton had a Top 4 Defense in Pts 4 times, Brady 5
Top 4 in Tot Yards?
Peyton 3, Brady 2
Top 4 in Pass Yards?
Peyton 4, Brady 1
Top 4 in Rush Yards?
Peyton 3, Brady 3
Your argument does not hold water.
In the win against the Rams, Brady threw for more yards than either of Peytons Wins in the SB.
So Bradys Worst Win in the Super Bowl is better than Peytons Best Win.
Ok.
Against the Stl Rams, Madden said it was to risky with the field position to attempt a drive for a field Goal. Brady did it.
Against the Seahawks he had his team up by 4 with 2 minutes left and Both Giants games he put his team in the lead with 4 min left.
And less than 3 minutes left by 4
In his win against Atl he didn't have Gronk.
His loss against the Eagles (my Team) he didn't have Edelman, and Cooks his leading receiver caught one pass and was knocked out of the Game.
That is the Equivalent of Peyton not having Harrison going into the SB, and having Reggie Wayne knocked out of the game after one Catch. Thats 120 less yards and 1 less TD cs CHI
Thats another 120 less yards and 1 less TD vs the Saints.
@@travisdempster4693 Ok by accolades I mean awards, single season records, pro bowls which they are equal in even though Brady played for 3 more years. Look up the smaller records and awards, Manning has more, that was my point.
@@travisdempster4693 And we both know if Manning had Brady’s defenses he would’ve won more SBs.
Manning isn't even playing anymore. Brady is Defending QB Super Bowl winner with Bucs in his first year with a new team. That's never been done before. Everyone stop with trying to compare please.
The problem with this narrative of brady vs manning and the guys who want to only focus on the fact that brady had a better defense seem to neglect the fact that the gap between the defenses wasn't that vast. While on the other the gap between the offenses was simply enormous. Manning had multiple hall of fame players on his offense for the majority of his career as well as multiple hall of fame players on defense for his career, while brady only had moss and gronk as far as definite hall of famers on his offense.
You miss one narrative Brady has Belichick. Manning has had 5 head coaches throughout his career. I wonder why?
Moss and Gronk are better than anything Peyton has ever had.
Yes, I'd take those 2 anyday over Marvin and Wayne.
When exactly did moss and gronk play together?
Patrick Mautner Brady had moss for a little over two seasons. Brady/Moss is not comparable to Manning/Harrison. And furthermore, the two years he had moss (after the entire league thought he was washed up) he threw for 89 touchdowns. So give him a hall of fame WR for as long as manning had and imagine what his numbers might look like. Manning had a core of addai/Harrison/Wayne/Clark while Brady had Dillon/brown/Caldwell/watson. It's just a laughable comparison
Even while Brady had Gronk I doubt you'd trade Gronk/Edelman/amendola for demarius/sanders/welker
Gap between the defenses wasn't that vast?
I have seen a lot of bad arguments to defend Brady over Manning, but this might be the worse one.
Sharpe is always bringing down the truth hammer, superbowls are team accomplishments and saying Brady is amazing for having 5 is stupid, he still has not been able to beat many of Peyton’s records and the only reason he wants to keep playing is to get over those records, Peyton has now played 2-3 seasons less then Tom Brady and Brady is barely just now catching up
Brady deserves credit for what he does bring to the Patriots, but unfortunately he also ends up getting credit for what other guys bring. If you watch the tape of all of the SB's he's been in, most of the passing first downs by the Pats have been converted via the runner getting yards after the catch - often making a break tackle, cut, or drag - while QB's like Montana and Peyton Manning converted a high percentage of passing first downs at the point of the target, before any additional run after catch. Montana also converted an average of 2 to 3 runs per SB for first downs.
Manning and Montana were also superior at handling pressure and minimizing sacks. Tom's ability to be a very effective game manager and short pass specialist has helped keep sacks under control to a degree, but when the pressure does start to come he typically gets flustered, as we saw in the two SB's against the Giants, and even to some degree in the opening SB against the Ram's, which the New England defense deserved MVP honors for (Tom threw for just 145 yards), dramatically slowing down The Greatest Show On Turf.
Defense is a bigger reason why any of these guys won the SB's they did win, and Tom enjoyed strong defenses about as much as any QB in the last 20 years (as well as consistently incredible special teams). No one player has enough value to override weaknesses on defense, and even a whole offense full of weapons has rarely seen the SB without at least a mid-line defense. As a matter of fact, to close this, Peyton Manning just so happens to be the only QB in history to win the SB with a team that had a bottom 10 defense during the regular season (2006).
You must’ve not watched super bowl 49 or 51
He's right it is a little hypocritical but to be fair in this particular game the offensive line lost it for the pats. Brady got hit too many times and he had less time to throw the ball that any QB all season. The point that Brady played better in the first match up even cements that. He is clutch without his offensive weponds but at a certain point Brady can't beat the best defense in the league with an terrible o line and a 50% Edelman. Brady is still better than manning there is no other way to put it
Also Brady's defense has always bailed him out, he can play terrible and they still win, like the 2011 AFC championship game against Baltimore, he played terrible, but his defense stopped Lee Evans from scoring that touchdown to win, in essence, Baltimore attempts a field goal that is wide left and they win
"Colin you shouldnt have any guts left."
*end of phone call
peyton is better then brady. brady has better coaching
manning is better period as a qb
brady has 4 rings and nearly every playoff record. manning always choked.
mr October peyton manning!!!!! hahahah
Hate to say it, but Sharpe is right.
No, Shannon is not 100% right. Shannon is hiding the truth. People have always taken Tom's first three superbowls away from him, saying that the defence was great and Vieniteri won them the game. And Peyton has always been loved by the entire nfl, while only Pats fans love Brady (even the commissioner hates him). The biggest truth hidden is the fact that the home team has won the AFC championship game each time.
shannon is right
Sharpe brough up a good point. those playoff games Patriots vs Colts the Patriots had some Hall of Fame and future hall of fame players on D
+Brad Lamb : That's funny... I don't see any Patriots defensive players in the HOF other than Andre Tippett. But I'm fairly certain that Dwight Freeney will be in the HOF someday.
pats defense might have had one hof( law), after that they had really good players. willie, bruschi, and Harrison are in that category
Sharp is a million % right
Im sorry but that great Patriots defense in the early 2000's didnt have a pass rush like the colts had. So. They were both pretty evenly matched teams, just opposite of eachothers talent, and Brady made it work better than Manning did.
Manning was benched last year due to bad play. BENCHED. He also played horribly in the Super Bowl but still won due to the Denver defense. He got carried his last season. Meanwhile Brady is in some ways getting BETTER despite his advanced age.
LOCO Fiesta Yea mannings older
Mic Drop central out here. Shannon Sharpe spitting truth about the GOAT Peyton Manning
Brady is tougher than Manning which is why he never gets blown out in playoff games. Manning tends to give up and come unglued when things don't go his way. The Broncos won SB 50 despite the way Manning played, not because of the way Manning played. The Pats won SB 49 because of how great Brady played.
+Buzzbeat7268 The Pats won SB 49 because of an atrocious play call at the goal line, they won Super Bowl 36 while carrying Brady to the finish line.
+Michael Jacobson ya because Brady coming back from not one but two 14 pt deficits had nothing to do with it rite! Gtfoh!!!!!!
It didn't, no. It had everything to do with not giving it to Lynch at the one yard line.
+Michael Jacobson So Brady's 328 yards and 4 TDs against the #1 defense had nothing to do with the Pat's victory in that superbowl? LOL
Not as much as the inexplicable play call at the one yard line to end the game. Brady also threw two picks against a Seahawks defense that was banged up beyond belief.
Manning would have never choked against Eli Manning
Eli had NOTHING to do with those Pats losses,that was all defense.They definitely had Brady's number though!
Peyton carried very, very flawed teams. When you take Soft, Dome teams and you put them in the Cold vs a physical, well coached Defense guess what happens.... Tony Dungy was a glorified mediocre Defensive Coordinator. Marvin Harrison was the SOFTEST WR I've ever seen that constantly got BITCHED by Ty Law. His Defense was pretty good with a 10-17 point lead, but when you force them to be honest against the run (Against Corey Dillon) they are very below average. Peyton was the ONLY reason the Colts were as successful as they were. Yes Peyton is the BEST Regular Season QB ever, but Super Bowl Championships are team accomplishments. This is all you need to know: In 2001, against St. Louis. They faced the Greatest Show on Turf after a Bye Week, in a Dome, and held them to 10 points through 3 quarters. That's the type of Defenses Brady had with him for the first 3-5 years of his career.
Let's not forget the Chokejob of kicker Mike Vanderject, who was the Anti-Vinitari when it mattered the most. He honestly cost Manning about 2 playoffs games.
MrHsharris. Don't forget Brady's mediocre stats in Super Bowl 36 against the Rams. The only thing that he did himself was the final drive and only because the Rams were stupid enough to go soft on defense and give him everything underneath allowing him to pick it apart. Other than that everything that happened that day was made to happen by the defense setting him up with great field position many times and getting a pick-6 also. Then in the second half the Rams offense started moving the ball and putting all those unanswered points on the board because Brady was practically shut down by the Rams D. If Brady at the time knew how to do anything more than be a system QB it would not have come down to the end like that.
Comparing QBs head-to-head records is the stupidest thing in the world.
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The difference between Brady and Manning is that Brady has played terrible in a lot of playoff games and still won but Manning has played well in a lot of playoff games and lost. Funnily enough both years that Manning won the SB he didnt play very well in those games compared to his standard.
Really? How about this difference: Brady threw more TD passes against the L.O.B. in SBXLIX than Manning has in his entire Super Bowl career.
Peyton Manning - most interceptions by a rookie; most playoff losses; most pick-sixes in the history of the Super Bowl; most one-and-dones; 10 seasons with 15+ interceptions (Brady has had NONE). He was an innovator and one of the greats but the GOAT doesn't have a .500 record in the postseason and go 9-15 versus his archrivals. Heck, Manning was 28-28 against the AFC East. He had a mediocre record against good teams.
Rings shouldn't matter with a QB's dominance...if Bill never coached Tom they wouldn't have ever won a SUPERBOWL! Peyton revolutionized the QB position, while Brady just kept it the same with quick readings of the defense
False. Do your homework.
Sorry folks they are both great quarterbacks and I enjoyed watching both. They both improved the game and took it to another level
And now Brady has 5 rings...
And yet, the Patriots have only defeated the Denver Broncos in the playoffs ONCE! *cough* TEBOW *cough*
Sheldon Mackey I'd rather have rings.
and up until I commented this thing had 43 likes & 8 replies
43-8 lmao
And now Brady got outplayed by our back up QB. LOL
M Lester threw for 200 more yards but ok lol
Throw out the stats. Throw out the other players. Throw out head to head records. Throw out everything. The only way to determine who is better is to look at like this. With 8 mins left in the Super Bowl down 10 against the best defense of a generation (The Seahawks of 13 and 14) who do u want leading your team on a comeback Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? Do you want the guy who pulled that off and led his team to a 28-24 win (yes with some luck at the end but the Seahawks got lucky to be in that spot with the Kearse catch) or the guy who threw up on himself and got pummeled 43-8? I'm taking Brady. I am not a salty Patriots fan I am neutral (lol go Falcons) on this but just watch both play in their respective Super Bowls vs Seattle and tell me which one you'd rather have.
To be fair, Seattle was beat The fuck up physically. They weren't healthy at all, yet Seattle still would've won had they just given Marshawn Lynch the ball.
Aquil S Sherman and Thomas while battling injuries where out their playing against the patriots and played well so injuries aren't an excuse. Also not to mention that yes the Patriots got lucky in that game but Seattle was lucky to be in the position because of the Kearse catch. Also even if Lynch scores in that spot it wouldn't have taken away what Brady had done in that game.
Please, the 2013 defense was much better than the 2014 version. The defense they won the Superbowl with were ball hawks, compiling 28 interceptions that year. Compared to their 2014 counterpart that only managed 13 interceptions.
Thats cause nobody wanted to throw at them in 14
Sharpe has been a eel documented brady dis-liker. Also, when we look at all the AFC championships that peyton has beat brady in....how many led to a super bowl win? cause last time i checked both of them have gone to a super bowl in the past two years against the same team and i think the outcome was slightly different. brady = GOAT Peyton = Top 3-4 but not GOAT
+bcmoykg well*
+bcmoykg When Brady can take 4 different coaches and 2 different teams to
multiple Super Bowls then talk to me ... 5 time MVP ... Super Bowl MVP
... Every passing record possible.... Enough said
When peyton doesn't have a 2-4 super bowl record and the record for most playoff losses in history let me know...brady is on pace to overcome his records, hell even drew brees might. When it comes down to being the best overall player with regular season stats, post season stats, and rings...no one has a better resume than brady.
Tampa bay changes this conversation if he does really well here....
God I loved hearing this
7 rings
I have no idea what Shannon's point was.
Harry Balsagna Same I’m lost
Joshua Bullins He says it’s hypocritical where Manning had the lesser squad is being penalized for losing when Brady in all honesty wasn’t on his level when it first began, and then when Manning falls off and he has a better team he’s penalized.
when manning has the better team he wins when Brady has the better team he wins. yet when manning loses its all on him but when Brady loses he doesn't have enough help
Thank you Shannon for keeping it real manning is the real goat
Nope.
@anthonyrichards2923 I'M PRAYING FOR THE HEALING OF YOUR MULTIPLE MENTAL HEALTH BRAIN 🧠 DISORDERS.🙏 TB12 TOM BRADY IS FOREVAAH THE G.O.A.T.🐐, AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE‼️ MONTANA IS #2 & MR. FOREHEAD MANNING MIGHT BE #5???!!!
Lol. The narrative that Manning has always had stacked teams is false. The stats show that all of his pro bowl WRs became stars with Peyton and before him they were trash. Peyton Manning is the second greatest behind Montana. Convo is over.
+777zippy777 but almost the entire secondary was hurt for seattle in that sb against NE. Remember Earl and Sherm was hurt in the NFCCG. They had to play a back-up CB after Lane broke his arm when he got a pick. Also Mebane got a concussion half way through the game. The seattle defense wasn't the same in that SB as the year before.
+777zippy777 Lol ur forgetting that all these playoff wins and rings are all TEAM ACCOMLISHMENTS, BRADY DOESNT WIN BY HIMSELF HE DOESNT PLAY DEFENCE, SPECIAL TEAMS ETC. He has the greatest coach and system of all time, along with a top 5 defence in his first 3 rings and a top 10 defence 11 times the past 14 years. So shut the fuck up with your single digit IQ'd brain of yours and stop using rings and wins as an argument cause it's not.
+777zippy777 Manning is now ahead on Brady in the playoffs head to head if we're using your logic, has out played him the last 3 times they've met and his playoff stats are matched with his now, go search it up. You're a complete idiot. The debate is over.
+joseph zhi : Ahhhh, the injury excuse again... never fails. Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night, Joe.
+ML12 : Ahhhh, the "It's a TEAM thing" again... never fails. That's funny... Joe Montana had a genius head coach and top defenses every year and the greatest WR of all-time... but did that stop HIM from being WIDELY considered the GOAT? No, it did not. Sorry... I win, you lose.
Colin the great expert gets another L see this is what I'm talking bout media can't even admit there wrong Colin had an excuses then another excuses cause he got pick wrong they always has an excuses smh Sharon kept it to real
The problem with Shannon’s debate is Manning had freeney sanders bracket Mathis Harrison Wayne James Clark lol
& Brady had me and a bunch of my bar buddies, lol. But seriously only 1 hall of fame in Gronk.
This guy is really sharp
Shay Sharpe even saltier after Brady beat his Mahomeboy. 🤣
Colin was wrong about the a prediction? Color me shocked
Ive been saying what shannon been saying forever. Everyone believes the hype
Gimme a break...The reason the Patriots lost this game was dumbasd Bill passing up THREE FG attempts.
Yes, Gostkowski wasn't in his best form but all he needed was to hit 1 out of 3 and the Patriots win this game.
Give Manning the Bellichek defenses for 20 years and he'll have 6 superbowls as well
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Tom won a superbowl with a losing team. Proves Bill isn't the reason for success.
Lol. Give Manning this, he will win.
Nah it's just gonna be super bowl 48 again
Manning had this with Harrison/Wayne/Clark/edgerrin and didn’t win 😂
shannon sharpe just called brady da GOAT. end of discussion.. even the biggest haters have to bow down to TB12...... and hes still hungry.... blitz for 6
Tom Brady's ackups are 14-5. Anyone could be good in that system
they don't understand that .. they are a playoff team without Brady.. but with Brady they are Superbowl contenders .. look at how bad the broncos are without manning .. look how bad the colts were without manning 2-14
N0TYALC Cassell went 11-5 without a playoff game. Did you just compare that to an average Brady year of 13-3 over 15 years topped off with a deeeep playoff run.
My Football isn't your game
This is actually a Fact against Brady. They just keep winning without him. I believe that's the reason Tom pushed Jimmy G out of there. Knowing Jimmy G could actually be better than him with the Patriots crumbling down the 'it was Brady' argument
Sharpe is absolutely right ,how people so quickly forgotten how great Manning was is mine bottling to me
"mine bottling"?????????????????????????
manning threw 3 tds and 7 picks when he won his super bowl stop with the excuses that he never had a defense
+lilballer191 Look at the ranking of that defense before the playoffs. They were 22nd in the league in ppg, and they finally for once showed up in the playoffs.
Peyton threw 30 touchdowns and 9 interceptions that season ... And led a 18 point comeback against his nemesis in Brady and belicheat... And won the Super Bowl in a rainy terrible field condition .... Something people said manning could never do .... He is the GOAT ... When Brady can take 4 different coaches and 2 different teams to multiple Super Bowls then talk to me ... 5 time MVP ... Super Bowl MVP ... Every passing record possible.... Enough said
How about 6 superbowls with 1 team and the passing records?
you lost me at Belicheat.
Manning upper hand in playoffs? Manning has the most loses in playoff in history. Shannon is over here nut hugging Peyton just because Manning plays for his former team. Now, you want to on the Manning bandwagon? Manning has played like horse shit all year and was benched because of that. Hell would turn to ice if Brady was ever benched in favor of another QB. Not to mention, Broncos are in a super bowl DESPITE of Peyton Manning. That defense is only real threat on that team. Lets get real, the Broncos played a near perfect game against an injured Patriots team and barely won by two points, but I digress, let's give Manning all the credit for this season even though he played like shit and was benched. I should should ignore those facts.
Funny how the narrative leading up to the AFCCG was that the Patriots were getting healthy and hitting their stride at the perfect time for a successful SB run. But now that they've been eliminated they were in retrospect nothing more than an injured shell of what they could be.
+PsychoMantis04
BS excuses as always.
George Krontiris show me the excuses and we'll go from their buttercup.
***** "Every has injuries this time of year.." No, not all teams will be injured at this time. Some teams stay pretty much healthy all year around, some people teams get injured in the playoffs while others don't get healthy until the playoffs. This goes without saying.
But I'm unsure as to what your point is of sending me a message. Are you here to disagree or agree, or provide new insight on something. Like what?
TheKaptainBob "But now that they've been eliminated they were in retrospect nothing more than an injured shell of what they could be." The Patriots have had 3'rd string offensive lineman in rotation for most of this season. So when you typed something like "
Funny how the narrative leading up to the AFCCG was that the Patriots were getting healthy" Perhaps that was your narrative or your prerogative.
It's as if you're insinuating that this team (meaning New England) hasn't been losing games due to injured WR's and a decimated offensive line.
"hitting their stride at the perfect time for a successful SB run" What were you watching were you assumed their "hitting their stride"? Elaborate.
i've been saying this for years....tom is great but back when they went without brady the pats still won 11 games....when manning was out, the colts were immediately the worst team in football
Do you remember who played QB for the Colts that year? I doubt it.
Brady OL.. Got demolished, specially off the edge. Broncos dealing with a entirely different Offensive juggernaut , panthers run game is virtually unstoppable with all the different formation sets to run the ball.. Smh the broncos didn't see a bit of that from the pats who can't run period. The broncos n Payton he's thrown so manny over thrown balls against the pats. When he gets blitz and he forces the ball panthers might score 14 PTS solely on D. What makes this even more painful this coming Super Bowl Payton can't run or by time in that pocket.. Russell Wilson went down just as bad maybe not as much sacks but the struggle to score was so real.. That pats vs bronco game was really about which team makes to the Super Bowl is going to get it even worse from the panthers cuz the NFC is more tougher conference on both sides of the ball and the panthers D this season is as tuff as they come.. Just ask Mr. Wilson and that Seahawks O is no joke either .
+Ricky Watt That Seahawks O was for the most part shut down by the Vikings
+Michael Jacobson the Vikings had top 10. Defense against the run nd pass the whole entire season . They where ranked 7 best out of 32 defenses around the league.. Incase you didn't know
+Ricky Watt I know, the Broncos already beat that Vikings team. I also know Denver's D is probably the best in the NFL. Don't forget the Panthers played a weak, 27th ranked schedule while Denver played a top 10 schedule.
+Michael Jacobson yeah but the panthers destroy a top 10 team in the league against Seahawks on both side of the ball .. No matter of the panthers weak schedule they prove they one of the best by knocking of one of the best offenses in the NFL in Seattle ..
so yeah the Panthers kind of got dominated in the super bowl
Patriots should've traded Brady and kept the much younger Garapolo. Garapolo could easily win a Superbowl in this system.
Manning = 3-8 in OT. Brady = 12-4
Game winning drives in the postseason: Manning 2 Brady 11
In the second half and overtime of SBLI, Brady was 27 of 36 for 282 yards and two touchdowns on his way to setting Super Bowl records for passing yards, completions, and attempts. That’s more yards than Manning threw for in three of his four Super Bowls.
In 4 Super Bowls Peyton Manning NEVER led a SINGLE scoring drive in the 4th quarter (unless you count his Pick-6 to Tracy Porter). Not even a measly FG. Tom Brady has led the Patriots to 77 after the 3rd quarter of the Super Bowl, including 14 in the final 8 minutes against Seattle and 3 TDs in his final 3 drives of SBLI.
Manning in Super Bowls: 3 TDs, 5 INTs, 77 rating
Tom Brady: 15 TDs, 5 INTs, 97 rating.
Peyton lost 6 HOME GAMES in the postseason. That is an NFL record. Brady has a winning record in the playoffs when on the road or at a neutral site. Manning has a record of 4-7 in such situations.
Let's hear Shannon talk about those numbers.
Michael Murphy don't bring up O-T especially when he didn't deliver in Mike high reg OT game. also OT rules coin flip isn't fair both teams especially in SB should have ball they both worked to get there
Echo - That's all you got? Weak.
Shannon legit killed it. Well said
Playing most of those playoff games on the road didn't help. I know Brady and the Pats great overall record but they are much better at home than on the road.
Shannon the ultimate non brady guy
Who ever hosted the AFC title games during the Brady Manning era won the game
2-0 pats in foxboro
1- in Indy
2- in Denver
Belichick feared and game planned for Manning. No coach did that for Brady. Brady was a great QB with an even greater (and sometimes cheating) franchise. Manning was the greatest QB carrying garbage into the playoffs.
Sharpe is exactly right: when Brady won their first two playoff meetings, everyone gave Brady the credit over Manning, despite their surrounding cast. They talked about Manning in the regular season vs. Brady in the playoffs. When Manning won their last 3 meetings in the playoffs, everyone changed the narrative to, "Well, the surrounding cast..." and, "Their regular season meetings count too!"
Brady had hall-of-fame offensive lines and top 5 defenses every single year. Plus a coach who was the wrinkle of all wrinkles in a game plan, and an organization where players 30 through 53 were lights out in the post season. Manning had 1 or 2 stars around him who were easy to game plan out (Freemey, Harrison), always injured (Sanders, Addai, Clark), or simply overachievers (Saturday, Stokely, Garcon). Not to mention a carousel of coaches who frequently cost him games, and mediocre players who put him in terrible situations. Defenses that couldn't get off the field, sometimes for 47 out of 60 minutes of game clock; Special Teams that gave up 160 return yards per game...
Manning is the greatest QB of all-time. There is no debate. Brady is a great QB in a system that everyone who plays there buys into. Now he's on a young, talented team with a couple of veteran FA's and an excellent defense lucking his way through to the NFC Championship game.
Tom Brady has thrown for less picks and drug a trash team with a losing record to win a Superbowl. Tom Brady is the better QB. 10 SB appearances and 7 SB wins.
Have you ever thought to compare Bradys receivers compared to Mannings?
Maybe thought about way Brady plays that keeps his defense fresh and his offensive line amazing? Offensive line in Tampa sacked and now all of a sudden the best? Same w Tampa defense, they didn't suck but they weren't great until Tom showed up, stop hating
@@JD-vn4sh brady also won in 1st year w no preseason etc due to covid, Manning was dragged to denvers super bowl won.
the best argument!
Brady won his 6th title. Shannon didn't know that was to happen 🤣
Yeah it happened while peyton was retired.
Brady won 4 rings on peytons watch, Peyton won 1.5 rings on Brady’s watch
Calm down calm down........Montana is still the greatest and elway is 2
Shannon Sharpe dropped real knowledge finally
Shay dropping knowledge like an OG
They face 17 times Brady won 11 of those games that's should tell you alone that tom is better
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@@JPK169 L for u
that smarmy radio host got owned.
lol i'm sorry but funny seeing sharpe just ride that manning D
0:42 Realizing he has to make the same argument in order to defend Brady, that Manning fans have been using since the beginning of time itself.
You can argue who better till the lights go out on the world... If I had one game to win, Brady all day, everyday...
If the floor is even, im going with Peyton
PREACH!
Colin looks like Shannon Sharpe is removing his soul.
I want to listen to shannon sharp, but see the way his lisp is set up. I can't understand him!!! SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSeriously!!!
Next super bowl...black panthers vs the patriarchs!!...we don't crack and we always come back