Godzilla X Megaguirus X Mechagodzilla: Same Story Different Results
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Godzilla vs megagurius was the first proper Godzilla movie I had ever seen fully. So it has a special place in my heart
But what do you think of both movies that are the focus on this video
For me, that honor goes to Godzilla vs Megalon though my fave Godzilla suit design goes to Godzilla vs Megagurius. Very lizard - like, plus the purple dorsal plates are top notch.
Godzilla against MechaGodzilla had definitely an interesting plot behind it. Would’ve loved to have it continue further on.
G X MG I feel is a tad under appreciated. It’s remained in my top ten Godzilla films for a few years now despite not being one of my most rewatched movies. It is one of the few G movies where I remember the human element as well and as fondly as the monster parts. I really like the female lead, I really like the redesigns for the titular monsters, I liked some of the subplots. Really really solid movie
Having actually watched _Godzilla vs. Megaguirus_ recently, I can definitely say that I felt like the Meganulon and Megaguirus herself were basically inconveniences to the plot itself, with the major conflict, as you said, being between Godzilla and the JSDF. It's a pity, too; I quite liked Megaguirus and her brood. They deserved a much better movie.
And in addition to the problems with the G-Graspers you already mentioned, they just felt kinda _cheap._ Like they were G-Force or any other anti-Kaiju agency on a shoe-string budget.
Now about Kiryu…by far my favorite Mechagodzilla. Awesome look and weaponry, and his backstory gives him a greater sense of character than any previous Mechagodzilla. But I can’t help but wonder…if they have a big gun that freezes things to the point where their atomic structure collapses in one shot, what did they need the big robot for?
Megagurius herself is a cool Kaiju, it’s to bad the movie itself is mediocre at best
The ice cannon is shown multiple times in the film not to be the perfect weapon, necessitating the robot to be both the firing mechanism and to pick up the slack when the ice cannon malfunctions, which it does more than once in the movie.
@@SaurianStudios1207 Yah, Megagurius is my 3rd favorite Kajiu and I think she deserved more in the movie
I agree; Megaguirus is one of my favorite Kaiju of all time and has the potential for turning up in the Monsterverse
At least in Rulers of Earth, Megaguirus and her children did come off as threats... at least until the Trilopods showed up.
I'm glad. It's great that many regard Godzilla X Mechagodzilla as one of the best human-centric kaiju films. It is THE best in my book.
Godzilla against mechagodzilla is just a better version of godzilla vs megagirus
I actually agree
me too
Yup.
I remember watching Godzilla vs megagurius when I was a kid, it was the first official Godzilla movie from Toho that brought me into the world of Godzilla/Kaiju. I was very fortunate enough to see the last 30 mins of the movie, as the final battle of the movie between Godzilla and Megagurius was the best thing about the movie. The next two films that introduced me to Godzilla were Godzilla 2000 and Godzilla Tokyo sos. For a while, I use to be a big fan of the millennium era and I considered it my favorite Godzilla era, but looking back, it’s not really all that good aside from GMK and final wars, while the rest of the movies were either decent (G2K, Tokyo sos, X mechagodzilla) or mediocre (vs megagurius). In fact, I didn’t even knew Godzilla x mechagodzilla was its own separate movie as I thought it was the same movie as Tokyo sos lol. That is my backstory on what I think of the millennium era and how that brought me into Godzilla.
Fancy seeing you here.
Mr. L hello there
That’s cute, you think Final Wars is good!
@@The-X-Territory It is good as entertainment, it is my favorite Godzilla movie.
However I will say it's not a good movie if we're looking at it as a movie
Very well done. This might be your best video, and it’s on one of my favorite G movies, and my favorite of the Millennium series. Yes, even above GMK. I loved Akane’s story, her battles with self worth, and how it’s paralleled with Kiryu coming into its own as a force for good. G himself appears a little weak here, and him just leaving after the first fight still bugs me, but the themes are so strong, the story so resonant, the final fight is my absolute favorite, and Kiryu is my favorite version of MechaG. Love this movie and this was a great analysis of it and how execution and concept are important in different ways.
This was a very deep analysis. Thank you.
I do have one issue with Against MechaGodzilla, that being a big plothole. The Oxygen Destroyer showed to dissolve its victims down to the bone and disintegrate said bones. Serizawa even said so. In Against MechaGodzilla, Kiryu is constructed around the bones of the original Gojira which should have been disintegrated. I get that it sounds cool on paper, and ties in to the theme of anyone with a bad past can still do good, but it's still an inconsistency. Had the bones been from another godzilla, this wouldn't be an issue.
The problem with that idea is the filmakers wanted Kiryu to have the original Gojira's memories so they could use those flashbacks as a device to explain his behaviour. If they had introduced the idea that this is the skeleton of a completely different Godzilla, there would have been the problem of explaining that Godzilla's history and its effect on Kiryu. Just retconning the original film's ending was not only easier from a narrative standpoint but a dramatic one as well. Godzilla's original rampage of Tokyo in glorious black and white is such enduring cinematic imagery that the movie can simply drop the reference followed by Kiryu going berzerk and the audience just gets it. Flashing back to the life of a Godzilla we only just met (and after he was already dead) would have been far less effective. I do agree that the retcon makes the Oxygen Destroyer seem like a less fearsome weapon and I don't like the idea of changing anything about a movie that's as close to perfection as any film can probably get, but I understand why they did it. Thanks for reading my long rambling.
Good point: though to me they could have had the Heisei Godzilla,s Skeleton (Not Junior!) in the Robot, which would have still worked if you did a few tweaks at the timeline
@@anomalotheriataurus8806 Heisei Godzilla's bones melted down, and on top of that, he was 100 meters tall. Kiryu was just half that size.
@@vidwatcher30s "The filmmakers wanted Kiryu to have the original Gojira's memories so they could use those flashbacks as a device to explain his behaviour. If they had introduced the idea that this is the skeleton of a completely different Godzilla, there would have been the problem of explaining that Godzilla's history and its effect on Kiryu.... Flashing back to the life of a Godzilla we only just met (and after he was already dead) would have been far less effective."
To assume that writing a completely different Godzilla along with its own history and motivation is inherently problematic is to give up on creative writing. There were things the filmmakers could have done besides contradicting previously established rules. Like, having this completely different Godzilla remember dying in battle at the hands of KiryuGoji (or ShodaiGoji) long ago, and so Kiryu going berserk would be that completely different Godzilla wanting revenge, for example.
On top of that, I wouldn't consider it a retcon. Geekdom101 made a video discussing the difference between a retcon and a plothole. Retroactive Continuity is revising previously established information so it makes more sense, like Vegeta and Goku separating from Vegito inside of Buu in DBZ. People thought for years it was because of "bad air" until Super elaborated that potara fusion between mortals is not permanent. A plothole, on the other hand, is a straight-up contradiction. It should NOT happen. And besides, Omni made a video about plotholes before in response to Patrick Willems' idiotic SHUT UP ABOUT PLOT HOLES video.
And I too understand why it happened. The filmmakers wanted that emotional payoff. But emotional resonance and intellectual consistency are not counter balances. They can go together. The more consistent a story is in regards to established rules, the more engaged the audience can be, and therefore, the emotional payoff can be through the roof.
@@BiitoreinGoji94 You're right. It seems that I segued from explaining their decisions to defending them. Your idea of a third Godzilla...sounds pretty cool, actually!
You're also right about contradictions. They could have closed the plothole and kept their story (and the Millennium series' general fixation on the original film) the same by simply having Kiryu's DNA computer be created from a scale or other DNA sample left over from ShodaiGoji's rampage a la Godzilla vs. Biolante. They could have explained that since the DNA in the computer that runs their anti-Godzilla robot comes from Godzilla, the robot itself must be shaped like Godzilla for it to work properly. I don't THINK that makes any less sense than the movie as is.
Thank you for your perspective and for reminding me of Akira Toriyama's rather heroic efforts to keep Dragon Ball's plot more or less consistent with itself over the years.
Hmm, this has certainly made me rethink some things. I'll have to give Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla a re-watch soon.
Im subscribed for a few reasons, but one of the biggest is for videos like this where omni lays out the merit in the godzilla franchise and its writing. Ive hid my love for godzilla my whole life, in high school and jr high i was what some might consider "popuar", i was an athlete and went to state for wrestling, i dated and eventually married the captain of the cheer leaders, i have a decent following on social media, but my wife only recently saw my nerd room filled with movie stuff, collectibles, figures, posters, my own personal fan art for basically any franchise people like in the geek community, lmao but its so nice to see when people point out what these movies genuinely did well from a filmmaking/writing perspective on a technical as well as emotional level.
I think this is my favorite era of Godzilla, the only real mediocre one was Godzilla vs Megaguirus but I do have a soft spot for it because it was one of the first Godzilla movies I ever saw. Other than that the rest of the movies are great. However I do think G x Mg did it better in terms of characters
I can't quite make up my mind if this era or Showa is my favorite. I very much like Legendary also but won't rank it until its finished. I agree that the only middle of the road film for me is Megagarius. I used to be harder on it until I realized I was comparing it to the other Millenial movies and not all Godzilla movies. I rewatch all of the 2000s era, Legendary, and Showa movies at least once a year. I am not sure why Omni is so against Final War, to me its insane ride buffet movie, there is a little something for everyone and a lot of things going on.
There's great and not so great stuff in every era of Godzilla but Showa will always be my favorite.
True, as it has Godzilla flying, talking, doing tail-slide-kicks and shacking hands not to mention using trees for weapons and laughing
The Showa era is by far the most goofy and ridiculous era of Godzilla.
Aside from the original.
Same all the movies are great except for vs megaguirus. My favourite of the era is final wars which is also my favourite film of all time
I've always found it interesting that Against MechaGodzilla was essentially a remake or reboot of Megaguirus. Only it is improved in virtually every way. It is a leaner and meaner film, running almost 20 minutes shorter.... yet it does everything better, characters, production value, direction, writing, a more plausible (relatively speaking) plot with a more logical approach to the story.
I do like the much more active "smart and thinking" Godzilla of Megaguirus, and I tend to prefer the "clean reboot" sort of timeline provided in Megaguirus. That movie exists in a vacuum while the Kiryu double feature is tied to G54, Mothra, Gargantuas, and Space Amoeba, which is a little odd.
Honestly, I like Godzilla vs Megaguirus more than most people.
It’s plot is right up there with “guy invents annoying noise that saves the day” from the Showa era. It also at least took the opportunity to deepen the lore of monsters.
The fight is pretty decent as well. It’s nice to see a kaiju who relies on speed and evasiveness in a fight and has some humourous moments.
I think it sits comfortably in the middle of the pack of the franchise.
Godzilla against Mechagodzilla is better and one of the best of the millennium era. It’s in my top 10 for sure.
I gotta say you mostly make some good points though I still can’t find myself disliking g v m too much. I actually watched Tokyo S.O.S before I did godzilla against mechagodzilla. So I guess I understood godzillas motivations a bit more, so when you couple the idea that he’s being forced to fight the weaponized remains of his own species (possibly a family member) amongst all the suffering that godzillas endured because of humanity it seems he has a much more interesting motivation then go out to get some plasma food.
So basically Kiriko is like Haruo from the anime xP But wow didn’t know the same team made both movies, but yeah I agree, I love Godzilla X Mechagodzilla. It’s one of the best movies ever made and it’s a good example of a well made Kaiju movie. Like sure we all know 1954 is well written, and a solo Godzilla film is often praised for being the best written of all, but we can still make a well written VS film too, and this is one example. Not only that but there’s also GMK and even the Heisei Gamera trilogy.
Personally, I would LOVE more Kaiju movies with good writing in terms of human characters and story. The Kaiju genre really needs more of it.
I've long thought that those two films were basically the same... In fact Megaguirus, X Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS is sort of a trilogy, for me anyways. But yeah, the Millennium series isn't great. But I do really love Godzilla 2000. I'm not going to argue it's a masterpiece or anything, I just really like it.
I think that Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla is the most under recommended movie within the Godzilla franchise plus my favorite Godzilla movie.
Great video Omni. I would love to see a video from you going over GMK. I know you already talked about it in top 16 monster movie videos but I would love to see a full video on it. Keep up the good work.
Your Second opinion thought process thought process has always struck me as unique and necessary to an established argument. I find it very important that people consider looking upon the monsterverse this way more often, as well as that I hope that the writers of newer Godzilla movies will be more careful of they right stories for their films, i.e. a balance between character depth and Godzilla’s screen time, and monster action at that. Upon watching this one, I find it to be set apart from most of the rest of the franchise for it’s good writing.
Awesome video. Never thought of these movies in this way. Very interesting
You should do a series of videos going through all the Godzilla movies giving your own review of them and what you think also great video man!!!
Oh boy, Kiriko was Haruo Sakaki before there was even a Haruo Sakaki.
Honestly, giving kiryugoji an ever so slightly more mobile neck would have made an enormous difference in his characterisation.
Thanks again for the updates and cool videos. I really never noticed the similarities in there two movies before or that they were created by the same team. That's pretty cool to know. I do like Godzilla against Mecha Godzilla better than GODZILLA vs megaguirius too. Again very cool and inltenian video thanks again
Main character of vs Megaguirus is starting to sound like Haruo from the anime trilogy with slightly better writing.
Honestly, yeah.
That put a lot in perspective.
Excellent video, Omni Viewer, but I respectfully disagree with you assertion that Kiriko had no clear motivation. Her C.O. died sacrificing himself to save her - a sacrifice that would've been completely unnecessary if she had obeyed his order to retreat instead of insisting on staying behind to take another shot. I'm pretty sure she sees Godzilla as the embodiment of her own failure and feels that finishing what she started five years earlier will somehow redeem herself. That's what I got out of it anyway. I doesn't excuse her lack of an arc within the grey context of the film, but I still love the character because she's like the Khan Noonien Singh of human characters in Godzilla films. I especially get a kick out of the scene where she plants a bug on Godzilla and yells, "You can't get away this time!" as he swims away.
Also, I have mixed feelings about Godzilla's immobility in Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla. Like most fans, I am used to seeing the Big G react to getting shot, and seeing him unflinching while getting pummeled with missiles and lasers did seem off to me, but upon repeated viewings, I began to wonder if that was a deliberate choice to make him seem even more menacing, as if he felt even less pain than other iterations of the character...
Great video Omni!
Omni is Coming at us with Video's that no one wanted, but Video's that we didn't know we needed.
Beautiful Video. Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla was excellent in my book. Still is my favorite Godzilla movie to this day. And I completely agree with take on Godzilla vs. Megaguirus, I felt like it was a good script underneath, but didn't stick the landing with it's execution. Kind of felt like two different movies duct taped together. I wouldn't be surprised if the writers couldn't make up their minds on what story they wanted to tell, so they tried to combine the two ideas. But as I mentioned, it just didn't work on all cylinders and thus made the movie pretty boring and uninteresting.
Very good video, my man. 👍
I like this video it's really good
Hopefully once Godzilla vs Kong is released, you point out how similarities between the Monsterverse and the Heisei Gamera Trilogy. Seriously, am I the only one who notices how slightly similar they are?
Godzilla X MechaGodzilla-Its like Godzilla vs Megaguris, but good!
Here are my picks for the best and worst versions of this archetype within the franchise/Kaiju genre.
Best female: Akane Yashiro
Worst female: Kiriko Tsujimori
Best male: A toss up between Mark Russell and Ota Murakami from Godzilla: The Half-Century War
Worst male: Haruo Sakaki
@Omniviewer I have a question... How would you rate all the enemy kaiju that Godzilla fought his animated appearances across the history of the franchise?
Yes, I am including the enemies from the Godzilla sequel cartoon to the Emmerich film and Spaghetdora from the anime trilogy alongside the Hanna-Barbara cartoon
What I’ve learned, in regards to the timeline, is that Godzilla X Megaguirus is a timeline where Gojira doesn’t die.
"This is where the Oxygen Destroyer accident never occured, so the lessons thaught by that weapon never occured"
Omni... the atomic bomb. Pretty sure that still exists in that timeline
True, but here's the key difference: from a Japanese perspective, the A-bomb will always be the Other Guy's weapon, since Japan has no nuclear weapons stockpile. In context of the film, the Oxygen Destroyer is something made in Japan, so the lessons taught are more personal to the Japanese consciousness.
@@omniviewer2115 these movies are great
Between your blue shirt and all the blue clothes in both these movies, not to mention Godzilla's atomic breath in Godzilla against MechaGodzilla, this is video has a humorously uniform color scheme. Is that why the thumbnail has a blue background? Did you happen to notice this too?
Glad to know I'm not the only one who noticed. Megaguirus just felt like an after-thought. However, while Godzilla is not presented as "evil" in the movie, he's still a major obstacle in Japan's energy crisis. They were never able to fully replace their nuclear reactors and even clean energy didn't work out because it attracted Godzilla too. So he had to be destroyed. With Godzilla gone they could get back to building energy reactors without fearing Godzilla. Even Godzilla 2000 hinted at Godzilla apparently hating the energy that is made by people.
* Kid sees woman wearing G-Grasper hat *
"Say, are you a G-Grasper?"
10/10 dubbing lol
So Kiriko would fit right in among the modern movie heroines that reject any kind of character growth?
ngl I have a special place in my heart for Godzilla vs Megaguirus
becus it was the first big G movie I ever saw
Godzilla x Mechagodzilla is my favorite Millennium series. Next to 2000, GMK and SOS. Has my favorite look of the Big G himself and my favorite version of Mechagodzilla or Kiryu.
Did you draw the thumbnail?
First draft vs final version.
Can you make a video on your thoughts on the heisei Godzilla movies?
What is your honest stance on the Godzilla franchise tackling the whole multiverse angle like how Spiderman No Way Home?
Omni, did you not see my comment on your Occult Mafia Q&A reupload? I told you that Sayaka got banned from Toho Kingdom because of GVK leaks and i even gave you the source. Or maybe you did and YT's notification system is messing up again.
I didn't get a notification, so sorry I missed it.
I'm trying to avoid anything Sayaka related as part of my "no leaks" policy. Not surprised about the ban, and it's entirely the TK staff's choice to do so.
@@omniviewer2115 Yeah, i forgot to mention its also some-what controversial. Not a lot of people in TK where happy, including JNavs_, who decided to blame Dman for the ban. He doesnt have any influence on the site let alone having an account on there. The only thing im still trying to process is the why?? You could say that the statement they gave out after the ban was announced was the reason, but to me, that doesnt seem like one. The two theories i have are either WB or Legendary noticed how many leaks there were and got into contact with the admins or staff to take action or the staff themselves just had enough of crap and just hauled his ass out of the site. Oh and feel free to look at the Alteori video dealing with that (its kind of confusing to me but i wont tell you why until you see it for yourself)
You could say this video came like crack through a goose...
Digi-nee's video K-On the Ultimate Adaptation talks about the same idea.
huh, fair enough, it's your opinion, i still like vs megagurius, i like the opening scene with the millenium suit in black and white, bringing back the meganulon was cool and they actually made them legitmatly terrifying, Megagurius herself was really cool and in my opinion one of the G-villains with the most personality, kinda simillar to what the Queen B*tch was gonna be in the unmade G-98 sequel, although i do find the main character almost as unlikable as Fuji from Ultraman in the one episode with the pearl eating kaiju
I have something to point out that makes Godzilla's motivation in Godzilla Tokyo S.O.S make even less sense. In the beginning of Godzilla X Mechagodzilla he attacks Japan but that was way before Kiryu was even built and nowhere near the place where the AMF was holding the Godzilla 1954 skeleton. So how can he be after Kiryu (because as the Shobajin explain) if the spirit of the dead Godzilla is guiding him when his first attack has nothing to do with Kiryu? The answer is lazy writing just like the retcon of the bug in the DNA computers being fixed so we can have a scene where Kiryu runs wild again just to wrap up the story.
what if they leaned into the idea that Kiryu Saga Godzilla is 1954 Godzilla's son? He could have religiously visited his father's skeleton to pay respects of sorts, so when the humans took the skeleton he could have then went on a personal mission to retrieve it
Weren’t the shoulder cannons navy blue?
Excellent analysis, Omni! Must disagree with one thing: I find Kiryu to be the worst Mechagodzilla design. I like the original the best, but the Heisei Mechagodzilla is a close second. I dislike the black neck cables on Kiryu - why leave that area unarmored and vulnerable? No quibbles with the rest of the video, though.
@STEVE LE Yep
I agree Godzilla against mechagodzilla is better than godzilla vs megagrius.
Kiriko is basically Harou before Harou.....except still better
Godzilla vs megaguirus is one of those godzilla films i tried so hard to like, but i couldnt. I love megaguirus and the fight but the rest was meh
For a top 10 best Godzilla film list Godzilla x Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS would share a slot while Godzilla vs Megaguirus would be on a top 5 worst Godzilla film list.
You forgot to mention that Yumiko Shaku gave a much better performance than what'sherface who always seemed to be smiling and never took her role seriously.
Also, I feel I should point out to you that "sexism" is just a Communist scare word, and using it unironically, especially in a context where it doesn't even apply, makes you look like a sucker who'd buy the Brooklyn, Queensborough, and Verazzano bridges without a second thought.
So...does Kiryu technically count as a Deus Ex Machina? And I mean a LITERAL version of the phrase?
A ghost in the machine? Oh yess
The Godzilla Millennium series is literally Disney Star Wars. Zero direction, ended with a movie that feels like fanfiction written by an 8 year old, some movies were good, some bad and directors went and came.
At least the films didn’t shove political sjw messages down our throats and it you ask me, the millennium era had more of a plan than Disney Star Wars lol
Yeah but the difference was Godzilla films don’t really need to have continual continuity. Unlike the sequel trilogy which tried to tell a continual story
OH come now, The millenium series was fun for the most part disney star wars is 90% nightmarish
Omni viewer please do an atomic roast or a video bout how Disney Star Wars failed
GMK is a masterpiece, worthy to stand alongside the 1954 film. Final Wars is just plain fun (over the top ridiculous, true, but still a whole lot of fun). And Disney Star Wars is vastly superior to the Prequels. On average, I'd say Disney SW is better than the Original Trilogy, though it never exceeds the Originals at their best. And nothing will ever top the original 1977 Star Wars (yes, I saw it when it was called just Star Wars, before it was renamed A New Hope). Just my 2 cents.
My problem with megaguirius is that ruin Varan for the next movie
The reason Varan didn’t appear was because Toho wanted one of their bigger name monsters to appear so they could get more money from the film. It’s got nothing to with Megagirius.
I like godzilla v megaguirus better because the kiryu saga godzilla is so weak , he doesn't do anything through out the film ,i mean , he literally retreated in the first fight
How would you improve on Godzilla X Megaguirus?
Um...by making Godzilla X Mechagodzilla.
@@omniviewer2115 Hmmm, good answer.
@@omniviewer2115 What a version that keeps Megaguirus in the story, but takes out everything else out?
I would honestly have tried to make GvM have more focus on Megaguirus along with the military's mistake, as they are forced to desperately attempt to simultaneously handle both Megaguirus and Godzilla as they suffer for their mistake and mishandling of their experiment for the black-hole canon. I would have the final battle have more emphasis on the military being in a desperate position to where they intentionally let the two kaiju battle it out and wait for the victor as they attempt regroup, re-stratigize, and prepare the Dimension-Tide canon for when either the battle ends or they have the perfect opportunity. I would essentially have more emphasis placed on they military's incompetence in the situation and subsequent ramifications of their failure to adequately handle the possibility of things going wrong and realize their seeming constant lazer-focused goal on Godzilla let the lose sight of other possibilities and threats.
Kiriko's still a better character than Haruo Sakaki.
That's right, she might have sucked but she's developed compared to haruo and she's hot and sexy!
A lot better than that emotionless rock
@@jmarcopulos5265 who?
@@alexyoutubechannel8175 Haruo.
It’s videos like this that make me question why Tokyo SOS replaces Akania as the main character yes her arc was concluded by excluding her from the story is underwhelming
I like both films but they need to make Godzilla vs. MY ASS
Great analysis video...
Too bad that Mechagodzilla remains a boring opponent. To me, he hasn't been anything interesting (or plausible) since the Showa Era; and worse, Kiryu is so implausible (even for this series) that I just can't accept it.
But yeah, Megaguirus is just as boring...but at least she's - somewhat - new instead of just being one of the "heavy-hitters" recycled YET again.
But here's the damned-honest truth; movies where Godzilla is the Antagonist...they're so BORING; they're played-out - by the time these movies came out, we already had the entire Heisei era that tried to pretend Godzilla was the antagonist too. Now granted, I'm not saying Godzilla should go back to being the unquestioned Hero of the late Showa Era; but I prefer it when Godzilla's intentions are more ambiguous - where you're not quite sure what he's going to do or why he's gonna do it. Having Godzilla just be "the badguy" is just boring. Especially since nobody's buying it anymore.
Mechagodzilla looks pretty awesome so what is your problem with mecha godzilla that does not work for you
@@shayscruggs7829
Well thank you for asking; if you still want to know -
Mechagodzilla is a great _villain._ And that's the problem...Every single time Mechagodzilla has been brought-back...he's _Not_ the villain; he's supposed to be the hero built by the humans to defeat Godzilla.
The problems that I have with that are numerous...
Firstly; the idea of a robot duplicate of the lead character. It's a story-trope that is ascribed with villainy; the clone, the doppleganger, the shadow, the evil reflection; they're meant to be a test of a hero's fighting abilities, to be able to defeat something so similar to themselves. So it comes off as a bit of cognitive dissonance when we're supposed to be rooting for the mechanical knock-off to beat Godzilla. The idea of creating a robotic duplicate of something is - in and of itself - a villainous act, so it can't be accepted that the humans are making the machine for a force of good.
On that note...It doesn't make sense for mankind to build Mechagodzilla _at all._
I cannot conceive of any situation where human-beings making Mechagodzilla as not only possible but is ever a good idea.
Mechagodzilla as a character was conceptualized back in the 70s as an evil doppleganger of Godzilla built by malevolent aliens who are trying to take-over the Earth. In that scenario, Mechagodzilla makes perfect sense; he was built to be a mechanical copy of Godzilla - as a kind of mockery of the Hero Monster, as well as a means of outmatching him (improving him as the Aliens would believe). Plus it would be a form of psychological confusion and torment for the humans considering they disguised him as Godzilla in the beginning.
"We've replaced Godzilla with a war-machine that does our bidding, and then we destroyed the real Godzilla so he can't protect you! Hahahah!"
Plus, being Aliens it's far more believable that they would have access to superior technology that humans have, so it's far more acceptable that they'd be able to build a mechanical Godzilla and pack it with all kinds of weapons. And because its evil, it makes more sense for it to be such a dangerous weapon; Mechagodzilla was probably Godzilla's deadliest opponent in the 70s and that's what made overcoming him such an accomplishment in the movie.
But when Mechagodzilla was rebooted in the 90s (and every adaptation since) it literally makes _no sense_ for humans to build him. First off, like I said - it makes sense for Aliens to build Mechagodzilla as a means of mocking and psychologically tormenting their opponents - Godzilla and humanity.
But I cannot believe in any situation where humans building a _robot dinosaur_ to fight another dinosaur would ever get approved...Because to the humans, there's no point in making Mechagodzilla look like Godzilla. If you're going to build a giant fighting robot...why waste time and resources making it look like Godzilla? Why not make a vaguely humanoid mech? - without the excessive weight of a tail and spikes and general bulk of Godzilla - the thing will be more agile, and a more effective fighter.
Speaking of such - most people say that they build Mechagodzilla as a means of matching Godzilla's combat-style...Except that's not quite true is it? (It might be true for Kiryu considering the thing was actually able to move) Let's look at Mechagodzilla II...it's fighting capabilities consist of standing on one place and shooting weapons at Godzilla from a distance...Then hovering off the ground and shooting Godzilla from a distance. The only time the thing actually gets into combat range with Godzilla, it gets knocked down.
The thing is built like a tank and moves like one; it's too heavy to actually move on its own and it certainly can't fight back...
So my perspective is, considering that this thing is just a Big Gun that looks like Godzilla...why bother making it look like Godzilla? If it's just gonna be a big gun, make a big gun and shoot Godzilla with it.
The original could actually throw-down with the monsters in addition to being loaded with projectile weapons; it practically tore King Caesar apart before Godzilla showed up.
But not only do I think it's pointless for them to build something that _looks_ like Godzilla...I'm saying it's downright _impossible_ for them to do so.
Like I said - Aliens had superior technology to our own. Humans just don't have the technological prowess to build something as large and as complex as Mechagodzilla and actually have it be able to move and function. And hell, this was decades ago and the only advancements we've made are machines that are about 20 feet tall - this is a 400 foot robot we're talking about.
Hell, even in the movies they point out how unprepared humanity is for this thing; they have to reverse engineer future technology from Mecha-King Ghidorah. But even then, I doubt they'd be able to build a fully functioning robot from the ground-up.
Then when it comes to Kiryu, they have to graft the robot _around_ a Godzilla skeleton just to have the base model of what to build off of? That sounds like the most absurd thing possible; not only are those the bones of a dead animal, they've been lying in the ocean - exposed to the elements and all kinds of bacteria and undersea pressure - for nearly 50 years...it's a miracle that the bones are even still in-tact. Any severe impact - like say, fighting another Godzilla - should've immediately shattered them.
Granted, Kiryu is a mixed-bag for me. Because of it's genetic computer having coded the original Godzilla's DNA, it's abilitiy to go rogue and attack Japan is actually interesting. In a lot of ways, it's the kind of malevolent force that Mechagodzilla _should_ be...There's even more potential for story-elements, considering that it's a robot that _thinks_ it's really Godzilla. The problem is, the movie doesn't do anything interesting with that as once Kiryu runs out of fuel, it goes right back to being a puppet for mankind.
My point is - Mechagodzilla makes the most sense if he's built by invading aliens and _not_ mankind.
That's why I don't want Mechagodzilla in the Monsterverse - or any mecha for that matter. This series is supposed to be taking a more realistic approach to these monsters - albeit with a grain of salt. The idea of building giant robots to combat them is just not feasible for the tone of these movies; especially if mankind is the one who is building them, and yet has twice been shown Godzilla's overall benevolence.
But finally and most importantly, I feel like Mechagodzilla suffers the same problem that Ghidorah has; _overexposure._ He's been used too many times across the franchise, to where it's almost expected that he'll be brought back in a new incarnation every generation of films. When I watched Godzilla growing up, I wanted to see _new_ monsters with each movie. But once you get to a certain point, it becomes Mothra, Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla all over again.
Having Mechagodzilla brought back, it's now expected that he'll be built to by mankind to be a weapon against Godzilla - a weapon that is by and large, destined to fail. That's boring and predictable...and yet they've done it across two different generations.
Hell, the most interesting thing they've done with Mechagodzilla since the 70s, was the second Anime Movie; where instead of it actually being Mechagodzilla, it's a city made out of the programmable living metal being controlled by Megodzilla's computer brain. - A departure from the norm, but far more fascinating than what had been done before - bordering on a horror movie rather than a Kaiju film.
And worse, whatever current version of Mechagodzilla there is always gets _forced_ on us; like the classic tournament fighting games where Mechagodzilla is the Final Boss - and he's always so overpowered and agile...when in the movie he comes from, he's heavy, clumsy, and could be easily knocked-over. My perspective was, there were a lot more interesting villain monsters that deserved the spotlight but got passed-over in favor of what was effectively a lie. By comparison, Destroyah - who should physically be the strongest monster on the roster - is portrayed so weak in the games.
What's ironic is that in Destroy All Monsters Melee, we clearly have Mechagodzilla II, but he is under the control of the Vortaak and is dangerously combat effective, much more like Mechagodzilla I from the Showa movies. To me, that shows that the concept for a robotic Godzilla only makes sense as part of an alien-invasion plot.
Well...I think that covers everything that I wanted to say on the subject.
TL;DR; I find Mechagodzilla to be implausible, misused, overused and boring.
Godzilla is whatever you pretty much want him to be. You can find any one of those movies that’ll portray him as nuclear disaster, uncaring force of nature, superhero or whatever kind of villain. It’s just in the case of GxM he’s the villain. I can understand if you wouldn’t buy it, but I can definitely buy it, because I mean…. Well he’s Godzilla. A monster.
In the context of the Godzilla universe, well humans building Mechagodzilla is something which doesn’t make sense, and neither does a giant nuclear-based creature who’s own weight would crush his kneecaps out to where he’d be dead before he’d even realize it. There’s not exactly a whole lot of logic that you can apply to Godzilla to make it be completely sensible. That and though Mechagodzilla is a doppelgänger, that doesn’t always have to be a trope used for villains, it can be used as a good thing. The logistics behind the bones not dissolving inside Kiryu and all don’t exactly matter, because there’s all sorts of things you’d have to pick apart at that point.
But there actually is a reason as to why the Mechagodzilla is, well, Mechagodzilla. If there’s a tiny gun in front of me with no one manning it, and it takes a slow amount of time to charge up, and I can tell that it’s about to… well all I have to do is step out of the way. Then I’ll just kick it over or something. That’s basically what Godzilla will do if it’s just a big gun. But if you build a mechanical device that can physically take him on since there’s really nothing else that can match him, then a robot Godzilla should do the trick to outmatch him. It’s just that Kiryu is made to pick up the slack whereas the absolute zero cannon was meant to be the killer blow.
I honestly don’t even think that aliens making a Mechagodzilla is more plausaible or realistic than humans. That or them even taking the shape of humans even if the ones in the Godzilla movies aren’t actually humans. We don’t have a select criteria for what any kind of alien life forms would really be like. There’s no evidence alien life forms in any kind of actuality would do something like build a Mechagodzilla or whatever, so it’s basically just as sensible as humans doing it- it’s not sensible at all to begin with. I mean we could take apart countless more but then that would basically defeat the purpose of liking anything Godzilla related.
@@GanonGhidorah not gonna read that long ass unnecessary essay but don't say mechagodzilla is overused when ALL popular fictional characters are in the same boat. Godzilla is a character who can be a hero or a villain, same with mechagodzilla. Just because mechagodzilla started out as a villain doesn't mean that's his whole character, the idea of humanity or aliens building mechs to defend earth or conquer it has been a concept used both before and after mechagodzilla was created.
Since when is it a rule for a mech to only be used by aliens for their evil plans? I don't see evangelion or pacific rim following that rule. Don't complain about mechagodzilla being "overused" when godzilla is literally used more than mechagodzilla is. If godzilla's intentions are ambiguous then he's not relatable yet alone he doesn't have a personality in that context, this is why kiryugoji isn't liked personality wise by some fans, his intentions are never made clear and the only intentions that are somewhat implied (by the director and movie) are never fully confirmed.
This is why godzilla as a hero or a villain in other eras works better than what the kiryu saga tried to do with him.
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Who cares??
Kiryu. Is. Best. Girl. Fight. Me.
Another issue with Kiryugoji that people at Wikizilla have noticed is that outside of being animalistic, he lacks a personality. Regardless, this incarnation of Godzilla is serviceable.
"The main conflict is between Godzilla and the military, which is why a monster foe who isn't tied to the military doesn't work"
The reason why Godzilla: King of the Monsters doesn't work.
What? I understand not liking the film, but that’s just wrong. The movie makes it very clear that Godzilla isn’t at odds with the military (minus the stupid Oxygen Destroyer scene, which is the military attacking him mid-fight). His foes aren’t tied to the military because they aren’t very important in the plot.
@@ningenslayer6306 The whole message of the movie is wheather or not humans can coexist with Godzilla. Though I don't blame you for not knowing, because it's an afterthought in the movie. The central message of the movie is an afterthought.
They just wanted cool fights with monsters, and frankly, I couldn't care less about fights and fanservice if there's no emotional core or investment in the movie.
Yeah the oxygen destroyer scene in kotm was just an unnecessary afterthought, put in as lazy fanservice. If you ask me, The whole movie is just lazy fan service
CookieMastah That has nothing to do with the military, just humans. Big difference.
Even if it did, you’d have to actually justify your claim that such a concept automatically doesn’t work. Many other Godzilla movies have foes not related to the military, like KVG and GTTHM. Do those movies automatically not work because of this? No.
@@ningenslayer6306 Oooooooh am i sensing a flame war here??? (Not directed toward you just asking)