Can De Zerbi and Frank manage at the very top?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Both Roberto De Zerbi and Thomas Frank have been praised for their managerial skills, but is it time for one of them to step up to a bigger club?
Ayo is joined by The Athletics Liam Tharme and Jay Harris to discuss the work that both managers have currently done for their clubs, as well as their next potential destination.
The panel also break down the fallout between Brighton’s Tony Bloom and Brentford’s Matthew Benham and if both teams can finically compete with the big boys.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:20 The Matthew Benham & Tony Bloom fallout
00:02:30 Using data within football
00:08:40 Have Benham & Bloom tried to sign the same player?
00:09:51 The art of data driven signings
00:14:25 De Zerbi & Frank’s philosophy
00:16:53 How industrious both teams are
00:20:06 Who is more appealing to potential clubs?
00:22:42 Brentford’s backroom staff
00:25:30 Are both teams prepared if they were relegated?
00:28:50 Are both clubs finically sustainable?
00:31:45 Which bigger clubs fit De Zerbi and Franks model?
00:35:57 Could De Zerbi possibly stay at Brighton?
00:38:27 Could Frank possibly stay at Brentford?
00:41:30 Final comments
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Love these Athletic pods. Means i can always get my fix of detailed football analysis. I know i'm a junkie. I'm not ashamed
Me to buddy 👍
I am so happy to hear somebody mention how many corners Arsenal get, I am shouting at my screen every time a commentator says how Arsenal have scored most from corners this season.
It's so funny how this hoster uses the word "fascinating" so often and he really looks and sounds fascinated by things 😂😂😂😂
Keep it on, lad!!
Man Utd supporter here. I’m still Ten Hag in… at least through this season add probably the beginning of next season- as long as they clear out about five or six players (including one or two “untouchable” first trainers. But I am a big Frank admirer. I wouldn’t be happy if Liverpool got him. I think he’s class.
A utd fan/Frank admirer and you want him at Liverpool!wild joke
Reread my post-
“Wouldn’t be happy”
The table always lies. As a mathematician, I love that statement
I got an F in maths at GCSE, Luton are top, right?
@@rory4605 you missed the point by some distance, come back if it finds you and you have a thought
@@eamonreidy9534 you missed the humour by some distance, come back if it finds you and you have a thought
@@rory4605 your attempt at humour required a sardonic response. But I understand your confusion
@@eamonreidy9534 I'm getting there, eventually I will scrape a D grade.
As a Liverpool fan, I've always really liked Frank and I wanted him as my 2nd choice to Alonso. I still stand by that.
He would just be another Brendan Rodgers.
@@taliamason7986 0 ball knowledge
I concur, even over Nagelsmann who tends to risk more and has no EPL experience
@@taliamason7986 No thats De Zerbi. I'd rather Frank over De Zerbi tbh
@@bluedoughnut1334Its plain simple logic. Thomas Frank would be coming from a below midtable side just like Brendan Rodgers did when he too was doing wonders with Swansea City. How are you not the seeing the resemblance.
This was so bloody interesting. God, a million times better than the absolute CRAP I've been listening to on talksport all morning. Seriously great work guys.
Enjoyed this, thanks.
Great episode
Do you have link for further brentford content?
Obviously they can, you don't even need to be a great manager to manage at the top. The real question is whether they can succeed at the top
Ohh you definitely need to be a top manager but also a top coach
@@JamailvanWesteringCiro Ferrara Juve, Koeman Barcelona, Lopentegui Real Madrid, Avram Grant and Roberto Di Matteo Chelsea, Brendan Rodgers Liverpool, Niko Kovac Bayern Munchen, every single England manager since Capello.
One can very clearly be a mediocre manager and still manage at the top usually it just leads to a flop.
@@otto_jk or sometimes the entire isn’t fit together properly.
Sorry but Koeman is decent rebuild manager, one you hire to trim the unnecessary, one who clears house and with the squad he then had that was definitely necessary.
Also under him they actually played great again, especially when he shifted to a 3-5-2
Also a top manager to a mediocre club can cause the same effect.
Ancelotti at both Napoli and Everton, Bosz at Lyon, Van Gaal at United, Mourinho at Spurs and United, Conte and Spurs and Chelsea,
I'm tactically un convinced by de zerbi. His football looks pretty and entertaining. Yet it does get him into pretty naive and heavy pastings when he runs into managers who can counter it. For Frank in comparison, his team is always had to play against on whatever state you find it. He tends to beaten due to inferior resources. Rarely due toinferior approach.
Igor Thiago played in Bulgaria not Hungary.
As a Liverpool fan, I'd love to see Thomas Frank at Liverpool
Igor Thiago played for Ludogorets Razgrad before Club Brugge, Ludogorets Razgrad play in Bulgaria not Hungary.
Why is this even a question? Is it because he didn't play for a big team or doesn't have a good PR team? It seems that there is a lack of respect for De Zerbi or perhaps a tendency to overlook his body of work. There are even suggestions that Thiago Motta is being considered for bigger jobs over De Zerbi. The prevalence of recency bias in these discussions is quite astonishing.
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De zerbi yes and as much as I like Thomas Frank I’m unsure he can at the top level
Why do you believe de Zerbi is more capable than Frank? Honest question: what has he done differently to make you hold that opinion?
Igor Thiago was playing in Bulgaria, not Hungary.
They already are.
11 to 12 teams are worried about going down? What absolute nonsense, it is not that many. Maybe like between 6-10 teams at absolute most
Ironic Ivan Toney plays for Brentford and the owner is involved in Gambling.
you would wonder why players can't gamble and owners can
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere In tears if true
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere I will now always refer to him as IBET from now on
Before Arsenal needed a striker, Brighton needed a striker
Already been answered , by Graham Potter going to Chelsea & crashing burning
I think Frank enjoys life at Brentford. Going to a bigger club where things could go horribly wrong is not appealing.
Ok. 3 weeks later, we can say No, they can't.
No, maybe just below the top but not at the top.
Too much data in football, so much so it's ruining it. Shot on target, possession? Fine. Heat maps, distance run, xG and that kind of stuff? Pointless. Players bought on data and not on talent. What people loved about football is gone.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Football today is not better. It's all about data and stats and less about the talent on show. It's been ruined by money. Clearly it was always a money spinner and has developed as such and having corrupt organisations like UEFA and FIFA at the helm are testament to that. Clearly you never watched players like Jay Jay Okocha, Le Tissier or Bergkamp play because you'd realise that football was rawer at that time and was more about skill than data.
@@gentleken7864 that's just how it is in top leagues now.. your version of football is still around tho.. just much lower division or leagues in the bottom 150 nations in FIFA ranking
The only people who think football is better now didn’t watch it early 2000s, now there’s more athletes but less talent
Someone there is as sick as a dog, master of coughing
The business industry you say? Tell me more. 😂