Title: Does the Body of Christ Return at the Second Coming? Date: 2019-09-01 Speaker: David Reid You can find out more about us at columbusbiblechurch.org
I praise God for your life sir David Reid for giving you such wisdom and I learned so much from it. Praying that when the time comes of catching up when God's permits I could see you. Thank you so much!
Pastor David. Thank you for your clear reasoned rightly dividing of the Bible. Truly appreciate your help. Please keep going strong in the Lord Jesus. Peter, Uk
Yes, Brother David clarifies that if you don’t rightly divide the word, scripture would contradict itself. This is the point that showed me how the most important other scripture in the KJV is how we are saved today by our Gospel which is Christ died for our sins, was buried, and Rose again the third day.
Deu 33:3-4 KJV 3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words. 4 Moses commanded us a law, even the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob. You didn't read the next verse. Also, in the previous verse, it says the law was FOR them. For whom? Apparently the saints, which in context with the next verse is the children's of Isreal.
Excellent teaching!!!!!! But I have a major question that's been on my mind for many many years. If those of Israel, who were believers, in time past. Who have died. Where are their souls and spirits . The body dies. But, the soul and spirit, lives forever some place. Don't think they're inside the earth, in Abrahams bosom. That was emptied. So, is there a separate place in heaven or some place, where God is keeping them? I know that the body of Christ, goes straight to heaven when they die. No one has been able to answer that question. I don't think it's soul sleep, in the grave. Where are they??? P.s. They have to be in heaven, now that I think about it. Because at the mount of trans configuration. Jesus was transfigured before them, and Moses and Elijah appeared as well. So, they can't be in the grave. So, I guess the conclusion of this is, when God raises Israel up to go into their kingdom on earth. He raises their bodies up. Their soul and spirit was in heaven.
@@danielbrandao3166 He never responded. In my opinion, the old testament Saints are still inside the earth in Abrahams bosom. In a place of comfort. Not the torment side. They will be resurrected at the second coming of Jesus Christ. After the 7 year tribulation. I find it hard to believe that God would bring them to heaven after death, where the body of Christ goes , after the cross. Then tell them they have to go back to earth, to Jerusalem, where their kingdom will be during the millennium. The 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth.
May I say that my studies of the bride of Christ is still on-going and there has been no final conclusion for me! However there are 2 things that I find curios and they are your use ( or assumption of meaning ) of the phrase "the sign of the Son of man" and "the tribulation". You made the statement that there is no better way to understand what is meant than by allowing the bible to speak for itself. In Matt 24:30 it says "And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven". This as the verse says is the "sign" in heaven not his coming! You go on to later say: immediately after the TRIBULATION of those days...Matt 24:29 ( and the signs in the heavens and the kings of the earth in fear ) that this is the physical coming of Christ back to stand upon the mount of Olivet. Now we are told in scripture that the godly shall suffer persecution and that tribulation worketh patience. We know that since the personal ministry of Christ that the church has suffered tribulation, as Paul states in his epistles. So if TRIBULATION, as you say, involves the wrath of God being poured out, then one must believe according to your definition that the wrath of God has been poured out on the body of Christ since the beginning of its existence!? It seems that you are applying wrath incorrectly, to what God calls TRIBULATION. When You should be defining the great tribulation as Gods wrath. This is the only conclusion to defining tribulation and it is: that the great tribulation and the tribulation are two different things and or events and the wrath of God isn't poured out until the start of the Great Tribulation. Since the church of Christ isn't appointed unto wrath. This explanation is the only way to reconcile the wrath pouring out question. It will be interesting to see the word unfold.....
Yes, I agree that at the second coming, the Lord will come with his armies comprise of his holy and mighty angels as evident in 2 Thessalonians 1:7, Matthew 25:31 and Revelation 19:14. Anyway, who are the saints? Matthew 27: 52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, Acts 9: 13. Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: Acts 26: 10. Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them. Romans 15: 26. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. In these verses, saints definitely refer to men not angels. However, I am not too sure who those ten thousands of saints are. 👇🏼 Jude 1: 14. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Deuteronomy 33: 2. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. Jude 1:14 prophesied the event that happened in Deuteronomy 33:2.
2 Thessalonians 1: 10. When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. Isaiah 49: 3. And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. Is there any connection between these 2 verses? Is Israel the saints whom the Lord will be glorified in at His second coming?
Job 15 is Eliphaz talking. You know, one of the three friends of Job that the Lord at the end of the book said: Job 42:7 KJV And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. God SPECIFICALLY addresses Eliphaz. You can't trust everything Eliphaz says. It's ridiculous to take something Eliphaz said and just outright claim it is true.
Here is the limit of the Word-only teachers! While seeking to be accurate in the letters, they often miss out on the sense of the Word. Sorry for a good brain only teacher.
So the dead in the body of Christ , of the Dispensation of grace , returns with Jesus? But, not the living that are raptured? I dont understand.....why would the dead of the body of Christ return, but not the living? Imlove your teachings....just not clear on this part!
@@ColumbusBibleChurch Oh good! I thought I heard you say the dead in Christ come back with Jesus....blew my mind! Lol Thanks for clearing it up for me. OK , I went back and listened...it is at the end of the Dispensation of grace! Whew! I was worried there for a moment! Lol...love your videos! I do Bible studies daily with them!
@@ColumbusBibleChurch does the body of Christ eventually unite with the kingdom saints after the millennium? If a jew is saved during this dispensation he will be in the heaven forever? If his unbelieving wife gets saved during the tribulation after the rapture she will partake in the kingdom millennium and he won't?
@@CM7777... Eph 1:10 indicates that all things are gathered together in Christ in the dispensation of fulness of times. A Jew that is saved today will have an eternal body in the heavens (2Cor 5:1). If his wife gets saved during the tribulation, she will be part of the millennial kingdom, and he will not. Hope this helps.
Awesome teachings thank you Brother!
I praise God for your life sir David Reid for giving you such wisdom and I learned so much from it. Praying that when the time comes of catching up when God's permits I could see you. Thank you so much!
@Ronie Recto Thanks for the exceedingly kind words. Look forward to seeing you here, there, or in the air! Alleluia.
Stephen got to see Jesus standing up in heaven🔥🔥
Pastor David. Thank you for your clear reasoned rightly dividing of the Bible. Truly appreciate your help. Please keep going strong in the Lord Jesus. Peter, Uk
Thanks, Peter. We appreciate the kind words.
Thank you for this clear teaching!
Wow, what a teaching, clears a lot up!!! Just ran across this, will subscribe!
Yes, Brother David clarifies that if you don’t rightly divide the word, scripture would contradict itself. This is the point that showed me how the most important other scripture in the KJV is how we are saved today by our Gospel which is Christ died for our sins, was buried, and Rose again the third day.
@@brianpittman8170 AMEN!!!
Excellent study! Thank you!
I will say that I believe also that the body of Christ will be judge angels so that there will tells us something too!
Excellent teaching!
Excellent
Great message.
Deu 33:3-4 KJV 3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words. 4 Moses commanded us a law, even the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob.
You didn't read the next verse. Also, in the previous verse, it says the law was FOR them. For whom? Apparently the saints, which in context with the next verse is the children's of Isreal.
The Acts 7 cross reference makes the meaning clear.
Excellent teaching!!!!!!
But I have a major question that's been on my mind for many many years. If those of Israel, who were believers, in time past. Who have died. Where are their souls and spirits . The body dies.
But, the soul and spirit, lives forever some place. Don't think they're inside the earth, in Abrahams bosom. That was emptied. So, is there a separate place in heaven or some place, where God is keeping them?
I know that the body of Christ, goes straight to heaven when they die.
No one has been able to answer that question.
I don't think it's soul sleep, in the grave. Where are they???
P.s.
They have to be in heaven, now that I think about it.
Because at the mount of trans configuration. Jesus was transfigured before them, and Moses and Elijah appeared as well. So, they can't be in the grave.
So, I guess the conclusion of this is, when God raises Israel up to go into their kingdom on earth. He raises their bodies up. Their soul and spirit was in heaven.
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Thanks pastor, I'll checkout the sermon!!!!
@@anthonyshaw8698 found the answer?
@@danielbrandao3166
No
@@danielbrandao3166
He never responded.
In my opinion, the old testament Saints are still inside the earth in Abrahams bosom. In a place of comfort. Not the torment side.
They will be resurrected at the second coming of Jesus Christ.
After the 7 year tribulation.
I find it hard to believe that God would bring them to heaven after death, where the body of Christ goes , after the cross. Then tell them they have to go back to earth, to Jerusalem, where their kingdom will be during the millennium. The 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth.
May I say that my studies of the bride of Christ is still on-going and there has been no final conclusion for me! However there are 2 things that I find curios and they are your use ( or assumption of meaning ) of the phrase "the sign of the Son of man" and "the tribulation". You made the statement that there is no better way to understand what is meant than by allowing the bible to speak for itself. In Matt 24:30 it says "And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven". This as the verse says is the "sign" in heaven not his coming! You go on to later say: immediately after the TRIBULATION of those days...Matt 24:29 ( and the signs in the heavens and the kings of the earth in fear ) that this is the physical coming of Christ back to stand upon the mount of Olivet. Now we are told in scripture that the godly shall suffer persecution and that tribulation worketh patience. We know that since the personal ministry of Christ that the church has suffered tribulation, as Paul states in his epistles. So if TRIBULATION, as you say, involves the wrath of God being poured out, then one must believe according to your definition that the wrath of God has been poured out on the body of Christ since the beginning of its existence!? It seems that you are applying wrath incorrectly, to what God calls TRIBULATION. When You should be defining the great tribulation as Gods wrath. This is the only conclusion to defining tribulation and it is: that the great tribulation and the tribulation are two different things and or events and the wrath of God isn't poured out until the start of the Great Tribulation. Since the church of Christ isn't appointed unto wrath. This explanation is the only way to reconcile the wrath pouring out question. It will be interesting to see the word unfold.....
Ok, If we're suppose to replace the angels that were kicked out of Heaven, wouldn't we be the angels returning with Christ then?
Not necessarily.
Was not paradise moved to Heaven? The bodies still in the Graves.
Yes, I agree that at the second coming, the Lord will come with his armies comprise of his holy and mighty angels as evident in 2 Thessalonians 1:7, Matthew 25:31 and Revelation 19:14.
Anyway, who are the saints?
Matthew 27: 52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Acts 9: 13. Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Acts 26: 10. Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
Romans 15: 26. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
In these verses, saints definitely refer to men not angels.
However, I am not too sure who those ten thousands of saints are. 👇🏼
Jude 1: 14. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Deuteronomy 33: 2. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
Jude 1:14 prophesied the event that happened in Deuteronomy 33:2.
2 Thessalonians 1: 10. When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Isaiah 49: 3. And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
Is there any connection between these 2 verses? Is Israel the saints whom the Lord will be glorified in at His second coming?
Job 15 is Eliphaz talking. You know, one of the three friends of Job that the Lord at the end of the book said:
Job 42:7 KJV And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
God SPECIFICALLY addresses Eliphaz. You can't trust everything Eliphaz says. It's ridiculous to take something Eliphaz said and just outright claim it is true.
We agree that thoughtfulness is required in evaluating the book of Job.
Here is the limit of the Word-only teachers! While seeking to be accurate in the letters, they often miss out on the sense of the Word. Sorry for a good brain only teacher.
So the dead in the body of Christ , of the Dispensation of grace , returns with Jesus? But, not the living that are raptured? I dont understand.....why would the dead of the body of Christ return, but not the living? Imlove your teachings....just not clear on this part!
None of the body of Christ return at the Second Coming.
@@ColumbusBibleChurch Oh good! I thought I heard you say the dead in Christ come back with Jesus....blew my mind! Lol Thanks for clearing it up for me. OK , I went back and listened...it is at the end of the Dispensation of grace! Whew! I was worried there for a moment! Lol...love your videos! I do Bible studies daily with them!
@@ColumbusBibleChurch does the body of Christ eventually unite with the kingdom saints after the millennium? If a jew is saved during this dispensation he will be in the heaven forever? If his unbelieving wife gets saved during the tribulation after the rapture she will partake in the kingdom millennium and he won't?
@@CM7777... Eph 1:10 indicates that all things are gathered together in Christ in the dispensation of fulness of times. A Jew that is saved today will have an eternal body in the heavens (2Cor 5:1). If his wife gets saved during the tribulation, she will be part of the millennial kingdom, and he will not. Hope this helps.
@@ColumbusBibleChurch Thank-you!