One overzealous caption doesn't make the empire.....however the torture chamber and corpses in cages thought Imperial dungeons does speak to some seriously messed up stuff that the Empire is fine with. Seriously, screw those guys and their Getmos.
No? Well how about General Tullius the commander of the entire imperial legion in skyrim standing by and allowing them to execute a traveler who just so happened to cross in the same area the stormcloaks were at. If he won't put his foot down to prevent the summary execution of a traveler he's never going to be able to stand up to the altmer dominion. And honestly the empire surrendering just because they managed to attack the imperial city is like the US surrendering because a single army managed to invade washington DC.
Yung Venuz God of guns yes the empire tryed to kill me so now i must join the stormcloaks fight the empire kill tullius and Rlikka and win skyrim its freedom
You can't compare the Nords and Redguards and say Skyrim would fight off the Aldmeri Dominion like Hammerfell did. We all know those redguards only won because they have curved swords. Curved. Swords.
steven buitenkamp Yeah..... you know the blades are: 1. An Imperial agency, not Stormcloak 2. Basically non-existant (at least in my games; I ain't ever gonna kill Paarthunax for those losers) Your argument is therefore invalid.
I killed 80 men during the siege of windhelm in the legion side and a similar number during the siege of solitude on the stormcloak side. There are often relatively large amounts of enemies during most of the sieges. To progress during the sieges of most forts you need to kill like 40 enemies.
The nords aren't racist, some are, but that's a bad apple that every race has. The stormcloaks are just angry with the Empire and hate the tyrannical dominion and want independence. They accept any race and are fine with sharing their land but they want people to contribute to their cause and Skyrim, not just do anything and get free land. In windhelm, where "dark elves are mistreated", there's a dark elf that has worked his butt off and contributed to the city and Skyrim and he's rich along with being a known figure because of his contributions, even downtalking other dark elves calling them lazy which you can argue is true. Something else I do want to mention is the first time you walk into windhelm and a dark elf is being bullied, she says that the war isn't her fight when in reality it is because Skyrim is now her home and was given to the dark elves because of the eruption of red mountain, they should fight for it and repay the nords for their hospitality but that's my opinion and I respect both sides of the war
@@shadowmoon7821 yeah Marvin is the worst. There was also that jarl in falkreith who was openly working with bandits and simply using his position to do nothing and clearly didn't care about his people.
Goro Or perhaps the missing chip is the dragonborn. Once you join the empire, it is complete and unified. Perhaps that's why only when you join either side do they gain the upper hand. Ta daa
Ysmir and his 500 warriors were outnumbered to the Snow elves. Ysmir with his Wuuthraad and 500 warriors buttfucked this shit out of the Snow Elves assholes. Another thing is that Empire AND the Aldmeri Dominion armies were decimated. The Dominion suffered more than the Empire because ALL their armies in Cyrodiil have been slaughtered in the last battle. Last, Elves breed very slow compared to humans. When Ysmir came with his people, Snow Elves were frightened by their breeding process. Humans fuck like rabbits. We breed fast as fuck. Elves are very slow at it. Either side you choose will result the defeat of the Dominion. I myself will always choose Stormcloaks because I can never support corruption silver tounges.
Ulfric is just a man who wants to be High King and doesn't care about how many blacksmiths, farmers, or any of Skyrim's native sons and daughters die for him to do so, even having you personally hand deliver the crown to him while he sits on his ass in a decaying apartheid city. The Stormcloaks also attack the innocent civilians of Whiterun during the Battle of Whiterun.... Ulfric is being used as an asset for the Thalmor to drain Imperial resources and make it easier to invade Skyrim, and that's why he will die at the tip of my sword, for the greater good of Skyrim, and for the eventual fall of the Aldmeri Dominion. For the Empire!
"I promise, I'm not going to get political." 3 drinks later..... "Ultimately, the empire under the rule of Titus mede the 2nd is a joke and DESERVES TO DIE."
I would 100% go stormcloak if it wasn’t for the state of windhelm. If this is the kind of world the storm cloaks can build, why even fight for them? I get enough short sided racism and economic inequality in the real world
@@jon1819 look at the location of Windhelm. They are living in a cold as fuck area, of course they are not going to be as prosperous as Solitude who is at a much better location. And the city is also incredibly old
After the Storm Cloaks Win and the Aldmeri Dominion tries taking over - Aldmeri Dominion - We have a thousand soldiers. Storm Cloaks - We have a Dragon born.
Calluminate Mate THE Dragonborn in lore is written to be able to take on the empire, thalmor, and any other armies all at once without breaking a fucking sweat and he has a army of dragons through Parthurnax and odavhing
Breton: I am angry! Nord: YOU ARE A DEAD MAN WALKING! Red Guards: We got Carved Swords. Carved. Swords. Imprials: I am weak and need a Nord to do my work. Dark Elfs: Why dose Ulfirc Stromcloak hate us? High Elfs: We belive every one is inferior to us. Dwemer: The Gods think we need there laws? Snow Elfs: I hate the Nords! Falmer: Ancient Nords: We slay Dargons, and those danm Elfs for a living. Stormcloaks: We will make Skyrim Great Again! Empire: We did make Skyrim Great! Thalmor: Good! Good! Everything is processing as I have forseen! Morrawind: We are divided in to 8 houses. And getting our ass kicked by the Lizard people. Arroganea: You like knifes? You like them in your belly? Then don't bother me. Elsewhere: Cat people. Valenwood: Do we even exist? Titus Mede the 2nd: Suicide sounds like fun! So I am just put a contact to the Dark Brotherhood, so that why I am not the one too say "I couldn't do it." Bathada: *Counting money from the sell of Skyrim*
@@fristnamelastname5549 yeah right. The Stormcloaks got their ass handed to them by the Empire as seen in-game right at the start. Ulfric himself gagged and tied-up in the carriage with you. And that was when the Empire was weakened after the recent war with the Thalmor. So yeah, goodluck being a Stormcloak in a war against the Thalmor there bud, but ultimately, I think the Stormcloaks are gonna lose.
TheProGamer1223 if they do that, they should put the war at the forefront, with strategy and counterattacks...not the lackluster "take this fort, take that city" while the opposing faction just sits around with their thumbs up their arses quest line that it was
TheProGamer1223 Hopefully. I think we should play that war rather than just hear about the result. That method was great in Skyrim but I wouldn't want to miss out twice.
I found a wonderful comment on a civil war video some time ago, and I think it fits perfectly here Ulfric is High King by right. Now before I continue, let me just say - I'm just stating facts. Facts that you can't ignore regardless of your personal opinion of Ulfric or the Stormcloaks. So let's begin; in the ancient times, Nordic custom was that one man can challenge another to an honourable duel. If both men agreed, they can meet up and fight. The first to give up or die was declared the loser, and the winner was given whatever they were duelling over. "But Ulfric walked in and killed him" This is completely false. In game dialogue does prove that Ulfric challenged Torygg to an honourable duel, which Torygg accepted. "Torygg had to accept, he didn't have a choice" Yes he did. As any man has the right to challenge someone to an honourable due, any man also had the right to refuse a challenge, "Torygg would of looked like a coward if he rejected" Doesn't matter, he still accepted. He just put his pride over his life. "Using the thu'um was cheating" This is bullshit. At the time these customs took effect, using the thu'um was not only allowed, it was praised. Even a basic shout like 'Fus Ro Dah', takes years of meditation and dedication to be able to perform. Using the thu'um was just using what you know, and it served as a testament to your dedication and strength. "Torygg didn't know Ulfric had the thu'um" Complete fabrication. Not only is it common knowledge that Ulfric studied with the greybeards. Ulfric is a well-known war hero. And it's well known he used the thu'um in the war. If Torygg didn't know, that's his fault. "The Empire does not recognize this law" There are no records of the Empire changing this law. I could understand why they wouldn't give Ulfric the throne, but charging him with murder while they watched Ulfric duel and kill Torygg is just ridiculous. "This custom affects the smallest things, and no the throne" False. Jorunn the Skald-Kind challenged his brother to the throne, and got it when he won the duel. Now: "The rebellion is stupid, because it divided the Empire, and Skyrim will fall to the Thalmor. With the Empire in control, they have a chance to resume war with the Thalmor. Not to mention Ulfric is a racist" I'm getting tired of healing this. But especially the "Ulfric's a racist" thing. First of all, just to get it out of the way, I'm pretty sure true Nords would rather go down fighting the Thalmor than living under their rule. Second, "they have a chance to resume the war." The war shouldn't have stopped in the first place. The Empire was winning, and they just surrendered. Joanna's battered legions. In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed, The Emperor's decision to withdraw from the Imperial City 4e 174 was bloodily vindicated. So even if the Stormcloaks were to lose, it's more than the Empire would do. "But Tullius said they are going to fight the Dominion?" Well, Tullius doesn't run the entire Empire, does he? Now onto the racism. Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are not racist. That's a very big accusation. If you think Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are racist, you have not been paying attention. You need to open up your mind on this a bit. There are only two real racists in Windhelm, Rolff and Angrenor, who were first seen bullying a Dunmer woman when you first enter the city. Other than them, what makes Stormcloaks any more racist than anyone else? And seeing people immediately changing factions just because of these two fuckers makes me cringe. So I really need to get this off my mind. First of all, if Ulfric truly was a racist, then why would he let Altmer and Imperials live nice lives within his city and lands? If he really was racist, you would think he would be treating the Altmer (Race of which the Aldmeri Dominion is centred around and consists mainly of) and the Imperials (Race of which the Imperial Legion is centred around and consists mainly of) worse than the Dunmer and Argonians. But there are Altmer and Imperials living wonderful lives within his city (For example: Niranye and Viola). This is because, unlike the Dunmer in the Grey Quarter, they actually contribute (I'll touch on that as this goes on). Speaking of the Dunmer, many Imperials also like to use them being in the Grey Quarter to further their argument. But have you not noticed Belyn Hlaalu? He's a Dunmer who lives a nice life on a nice farm on Ulfric's land. If he wanted to, Ulfric could take that farm from Belyn with a snap of his fingers. Belyn contributes to the Stormcloak cause in Windhelm. This is proved when he says "The only way to win the Nord's respect is through hard work." Indicating that he is working for the Nords who occupy Windhelm, aka the Stormcloaks. He also says "Too many Dunmer complain about the way we're treated. What good does complaining do?" I agree. I don't see those Dunmer in the Grey Quarter doing anything to help out, if they did, they would be living a life similar to that of Mr. Hlaalu. He helps out the Stormcloaks, so he gets to live a nice life. Have you also considered that Ulfric is a bit busy with a war and then preparing for a bigger war to spend a large amount of money on renovating a quarter of a city filled with people who don't even contribute? Now moving onto the Argonians. You also see people condemn Ulfric for keeping the Argonians out of Windhelm. But last time I checked, Brunwulf Free-Winter (Whom becomes Jarl should the Legion win) also keeps them out and his reasoning is that "they must remain outside for their own safety". Have you not considered that maybe that's why Ulfric keeps them out? It appears not. Nothing changes for the Argonians when the Imperials take over. Does that make the Imperials racist as well? Ulfric respects anyone who supports the Stormcloak cause, regardless of race. Also, let's not forget the fact that Nords are a naturally proud race, but that doesn't make them racist. And finally, to the people who read the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak and immediately assume he's a spy. So many people read that and don't understand what it is saying. They call him an asset because his actions are inadvertently helping the Thalmor. They captured him and tortured him for info during the last war. Then they let him escape so that he could stir up trouble with his unrest over the Talos banDoes no one read the "uncooperative" part? It means he's not trying to help them. His actions just happen to benefit the Thalmor since a civil war gives them time to gain strength and take over at a later date. But if the Stormcloaks win it will still be bad for the Thalmor. The dossier says as much. People who say Ulfric is a spy really don't understand the context of that report. I hope this helped to enlighten whoever read it at least a little.
Skullcrusher430 You state a really good point, as someone who made his first character an Argonian it seemed pretty racist to keep them outside, but it is not like they had a lot of empty houses perfect to fit people inside and the grey quarter its still a place where they can live, there are only two racist men against them but it is not like the guards themselves or other people are racist on the other hand on whiterun that has jarl Balgruf(I think I mispelled it) who is mainly imperial has khajit outside completely forbidden from living anywhere on the hold. I know other holds do the same but if you see the comparison the only race that is truly affected by racism its the khajit cause the argonians can live and work in windhelm aswell as the dunmer but not the khajit so they are not racist and the only race that the stormcloaks are racist against is the same race that the very empire is ALSO racist against, I dont recall an argonian or dunmer outside of the companions living in whiterun or solitude there is only the bandit-like argonian and the wabbajack crazy dunmer windhelm and its "racist" jarl actually houses more races equally. What is more racist giving jobs and homes to the people or strait up deny entry or residence?
Skullcrusher430 Beautifully put, honestly was a good read. Sadly the Empire fan boys will discredit this and continue to believe in there false "Empire".
this doesn't explain what the Stormcloaks would do afterwards though which is a huge deal. The biggest problem is what would happen if X side won. Stormcloaks have no allies from other provinces. They would lose imported goods and would be forced to become self sufficient. Losing good they like as well as being forced to become farmers just to survive would make the stormclaoks lose support of much of the people. They have zero chance of invading to stop the dominion simply because they lack the resources. They would only be able to defend their borders at the best, wasting many resources that would be scarce from trying to be self sufficient. That means if the Aldmeri just toss enough to keep them occupied then they could play the waiting game and steam roll them once they build up more forces. Perhaps their most glaring weakness is that it is built around Ulfirc to much. If he were to die it's extremly likely a power struggle would commerce or Stormcloaks would slowly weaken until collapse. The empire one the other hand is self sufficient. It is very likely that it will be allies with hammerfell due to a legion being there and helping the redguards beat the aldmeri. It would have the remaining military force of skyrim and eith strong allies the neutral Bretons would likely join them as well. Not counting the Bretons, the empire would have a decent chance of defeating the weakened Aldmeri with such a rapid build up of forces and resoruces. With the Bretons it's almost 100% guaranteed they would win
Why Ulfric Is Right 1: The Thalmor banned a form of religion just because they don't see Talos as a God. Imagine if some other religion took over your land and banned your religion. 2: Ulfric IS the true high king. Let me explain, Ulfric challenged the former high king to a battle, something that is completely legal, Ulfric won and by nord code Ulfric is the true high king. 3: Ulfric is a strong warrior and capable of surviving a possible Thalmor invasion if one were to happen. People in the games even talk about how good of a strategist he was. Also, whoever the Dragonborn sides with would beat the Thalmor because of his power, so no, the Stormcloaks would indeed beat the Thalmor if the Dragonborn would help. 4: He cares deeply for the people of Skyrim. He killed the high king so that the empire would take his cause seriously. And read this line that he says "I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil! I fight for their wives and children, whose names I heard whispered in their last breath. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing! I fight... because I must." ―Ulfric Stormcloak That doesn't sound like a greedy, power hungry man. It sounds like a noble hero.
nope, stormcloak actually, just because i call my leader out on his political strategy doesn't mean i wont fight for freedom, guys playing an act to rally support, the talos thing isnt even that big but ulfrics using it to get to be high king
Stormcloaks win, Emperor recognize Skyrim as independent, and Ulfric and Galmar Stone-Fist start chatting up Hammerfell about bringing some thicc curved swords along when they set out to kick some damned elven ass.
Honestly put highrock on that good shit too bruh like the bretons definitely hate the thalmor too and also put blackmarsh on that good shit because they took away morrowind from the dark elves they literally own it and they are independent im pretty sure and like cmon ik argonions hate elves but the bosmer they pre chill
huh sounds like fanfic to me. The stormcloaks will lose I dont see how they stand a chance against the empire what more the Thalmor. And no Skyrim and Hammerfell are not "friends" sorry they don't owe each other anything. You're dismissing the fact that even if they somehow become independent, the Thalmor will see this as an opportunity and IMMEDIATELY take the weakened Skyrim for themselves, like taking candy from a baby.
James Mccloud sounds very close minded to me, just watch more videos on Stormcloaks and not biased ones that are against them and then put 2 and 2 together because im not about to argue about this stuff anymore, the arguments just get toxic and becomes biased
@@jamesmccloud7535 I didn't dismiss anything. If the Dominion were to attempt an invasion on Skyrim, they would need to march their forces there. Skyrim is the northernmost province of Tamriel, only accessible through mountain passes in their bordering regions. The Dominion would have to go to war with at least another nation in order to even get there. Geography matters in war. I never claimed anyone to be 'friends'. Skyrim and Hammerfell used to both be Imperial provinces, they're both nations of men with a long history of conflict with elves, and they both recently fought in a war together and suffered unjust treatment in the aftermath. They have more than enough reasons in common to ally against an enemy they've already allied against.
One thing you didn't mention in regards to the Thalmor trying to invade Skyrim is that its a logistical nightmare. They don't share any border with Skyrim and even if they did its one of the furtherst point from their core territory. So trying to supply their army would be near impossible. Once they enter the country they are faced with small roads, large forests and hundreds of hills and mountains. Terrain that massively favours defenders, especially since they have the home field advantage of knowing the terrain. The Nords are in an excellent position to use their terrain advantage to set up ambushes, and they've already proven their prowess with guerilla warfare.
Also the Almeri Dominion's soldiers would come from the Summerset Isles, Valenwood and Elsweyr; All hot climates. The soldiers would freeze to death and their combat ability would suffer as they aren't acclimatised.
xEl Gringo Loco I don't know if the Dominion has a navy but that could be effective. Though the Sea of Ghosts would probably claim many ships and lives.
Yung Venuz God of guns Yeah but that means the have to travel through Cyrodil, which means feeding their army for the entire march. Which means less supplies when they actually enter Skyrim and they wont be able to resupply once in Skyrim because of the distance.
xEl Gringo Loco The Thalmor are not retarded. They need the Aldmeri Dominion united if they want any power over Skyrim. The WG Concordat allows more resources for expansion in a region that will not bow to the Aldmeri Dominion. Regardless, it doesn't matter. Skyrim will never bow to the Thalmor/Aldmeri. It'll always end in bloodshed. However, if the Dwemer were to return...
Riverwood and whiterun most players started the game in this places(Both under whiterun). If you are sided with stormcloaks, you need to invade them. It seems that you invade your homeland
ALL HAIL TO ULFRIC YOU ARE THE HIGH KING, IN HIS GREAT HONOR WE DANCE AND WE SING, WE'RE THE CHILDREN OF SKYRIM AND WE FIGHT ALL OUR LIVES AND WHEN SOVENGARD BECKONS, EVERYONE OF US DIE, WE ARE THE TRUE SONS OF SKYRIM, DEATH TO THE IMPERIAL DOGS, SCALEBACKS AND ELVES
I join the stormcloaks because i want an indepandant skyrim, Not because i support ulfric. Ulfric is over 50 years old, which is pretty damn old in skyrim. He will likely die within 10-20 years anyways, and has no heir. After Ulfric dies the next high-king will be appointed by the moot, And id wager that Elisif would become high-queen since she is a good speaker and has her heart with the people.
Lazor but there wont be a independent skyrim because most likely skyrim will either be retaken by the empire or conquered by the aldmeri dominion because the civil war weakend the empire the only good outcome would be to stay with the empire
Skyrim is actual a great place to hold off forgiven invaders All the land borders are protected by mountain range And though you can access the northern part by sea, you would have to deal with ice and giant rocks jutting out of the water.
Personally though, I believe the fact that the dragonborn siding with the Stormcloaks alone would decimate the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion, by the end of the game the dragonborn has slain countless dragons, learned the way of the voice, countless spells, and has weapons given to him/her by daedra (not to mention having at least 3 dragons friendly towards him/her) the thalmor would have a fun time fighting at least two dragons and the dragonborn alone nevermind the stormcloak army and Ulfric himself who knows the way of the voice from the Greybeards. Edit: One of those dragons is also undead (Durnehvirr)
Previous dragonborns have been said to be able to take out entire armies with a single shout and I think that says enough about how important the last dragonborn is to the power struggle in Tamriel.
Aldmeri dominion has warriors that are over 2000 years old. Stupid dragonborn ended up in Hermeus Moras sevatude. if he was that weak how could he possibly beat the dominion. now, if it were the Hero Of Kvatch it would have been hell, but that isnt the case. dragonborn is too weak. Altmers know many, many spells that can match and even outperform all of those shouts with their MYSTICISM. Only reason why talos won is because he used inhumane machine such as Numidium, without it he would never step into areas like Blackmarsh and Summerset Iseles. You may be able to recover hammerfell, but better forget about entering the dominion or black marsh. SHouts are nothign more then spells.
TIAN ending up in the servitude of Hermeas Mora was actually beneficial toward the Dragonborn instead of bad. It is likely that through studying ancient texts in Apocrypha the Dragonborn could learn spells and shouts powerful enough to match and surpass the powers of the Numidium, thus making him strong enough to take on the Aldmeri Dominion.
Considering how ridiculously overpowered the Dragonborn is towards the end of the game, and that they'd presumably back whichever faction they chose in the war, I think the elves have plenty to worry about.
Also it may be possible after the main quest line that the Dragonborn may be able to get the dragons to help against the Aldmeri Dominion. The Dragonborn defeaedt the World Eater. So it is not like you are not feared/respected by at least some dragons. Add the Thu'um. I think the Aldmeri Dominion would be fools to try and start up a second war while the Dragonborn is still alive.
@@AGwest1 yeah sure everything is possible - Michael Kirkbride You can make anything your headcanon and completely dismiss anything that contradicts that. Though that might be true in the CODA concept but that doesn't apply to the games. Bethesda will have to decide how the story goes on after Skyrim and I don't see Skyrim conquering anything. In es6 there is a high chance it will still be the empire v.s thalmor whether stormcloak sympathizers like it or not. Actually there is a hidden note in the game that can only be unlocked that many people don't know about that "kinda" tells how the civil war will turn out. It can only be unlocked if you joined the stormcloaks and defeated the "small" legion in Skyrim. I don't have time to explain the details about it so I recommend just watching this video and tell me your thoughts... ruclips.net/video/7x8sRkr4Bso/видео.html
James Mccloud I think I misread your first comment. I thought you were saying that there wasn’t gonna be a Second Great War. I prefer the Empire over Stormcloaks, just to clarify. I also don’t see Skyrim conquering anything. In my comment, I was inferring that because it’s only six years after Skyrim there could definitely be another Great War.
@@AGwest1 oh ok, did you watch the video I linked? cause be4 watching that I didn't know a note like that existed all these years. You should definitely give it a watch, it's really interesting it can only be unlocked if you joined the stormcloaks. Which is Bethesda's way of saying it doesn't matter who you side with, the Empire still wins regardless. It didn't really surprise me though, I recommend you watch it in case you didn't know about it.
when i play as a high elf i help the storm cloaks because i want to shatter the empire. divide and conquer. the British did that with africa and the middle east. Worked wonderfully
LazyCatGaming Not necessarily. While Skyrim is in the Empire, the elves are able to kill Talos worshippers and key opposition targets at will. When the Empire is booted out, Skyrim will finally be able to legally defend itself from the Thalmor. Not to mention, if Hammerfell was able to beat back the Dominion, Skyrim can too.
maybe. but maybe the thalmor are arrogant and think skyrim is weak and they can just invade them. its totally possible objectively that nords beat them back but im just dping a little roleplaying so im assumong the thalmor are manipulative and arrogant. they may plan to beat down Skyrim after they beat the empire and show other races that you can win against the empire but never stand against the thalmor.
maybe. but maybe the thalmor are arrogant and think skyrim is weak and they can just invade them. its totally possible objectively that nords beat them back but im just dping a little roleplaying so im assumong the thalmor are manipulative and arrogant. they may plan to beat down Skyrim after they beat the empire and show other races that you can win against the empire but never stand against the thalmor.
The Thalmor and their extreme racisim and extreme superiority complex over men reminds me of the Aylieds and how they viewed men. The Aylieds treated men like beast races. I believe the Thalmor leadership are not who they claim to be. I reckon remnants of the Aylieds "Heartland High Elves" have infiltrated higher Altmer society. It says in the lore the Aylieds melted into the wilderness and societies of the Bosmer and Altmer following their Empire's collapse to Alessia and Pelinal. What if the Aylieds are pulling the strings from the shadow. Their hatred need for vengence over men.
You and I have same set of mind. I felt like they're views were almost parallel, and raised the idea "what if they're fate will be shared". Aylied's treating men live slaves, abused them, treating them like lesser citizens and felt they were superior in every way. In the end, the races of men rose up and look at the results. If I recall the last "pure blooded" Aylied's died out before the 3rd era (I could be wrong because I am not that familiar with history before the 3rd era), they're culture, they're people, gone with nothing left but stories and ruins. You could even argue the fate of the snow elfs as well. They're quest for power (What lies beneath Saarthal) led them to conflict with early nords and eventually they're last stand and slaughter by the early nords. The difference between the Aylied and Snow Elf people is where they are now. The Falmer are blind (with future generations could recover from this), underground, a burning hate for surface dwellers, and no real sense of who they once were remaining that we know of.In the end, one has to ponder if the High Elfs went down the same road as the Aylieds, would it mean the same fate of mankind rising up and destroying another once great culture?
That is a really good observation and it would make for some really interesting storytelling. I had a couple thoughts in this general direction, but nothing so perceptive.
The Empire demonstrated that they no longer have the best interests of Skyrim in mind. Regardless of whether that's out of weakness or malice, the Empire is clearly on the road to falling apart and it's only right for the Nords to get off the train before it crashes.
Have u not heard of Ulfric being controlled by the Thalmor to weaken the Empire so the Thalmor can invade and take Skyrim????? Because when I heard that I went from a stormcloak character to an Imperial
he was not being controled it was more like manipulation. and also in the same dossier they said that stormcloak victory was also to be avoided because it would make skyrim much harder to invade or something
If you were to ac actually read it you would know that they were pretty much trying to start the civil war and in order to do so needed the Nords to be pissed (hence the banning of Talos) and a leader to be driven and inspirational enough to start the war, ulfric was the perfect choice. The most the thalmor did to his mind was convincing him that he was the reason the empire lost.
Any information regarding the aftermath is irrelevant. Ulfric Stormcloak won in a duel, it was completely fair. You never hear an Empire supporter clearly object to that.
"fair" is relative, and ignores a lot of info. Ulfrics motives are shady at best. Even if you call the duel "legitimate" the purpose of the duel and the reason why it was implemented in the first place is far from what Ulfric did. After all, Ulfric supported Torygg at the moot. Ulfric knew that Torygg would have declared independence if he simply asked him to. Torygg died knowing that he kept his honor, but questions that same standing for Ulfric, a man he once loved and respected. I'm not saying that there is a clear correct answer. I'm saying anyone trying to simplify the story to something so one dimensional is probably missing a big part of the picture.
The fairness of the duel is Irrelevant in in the grand scheme of things and arguments like this questioning the fairness of the duel is just tiptoeing around the real issues.
Blaming Ulfric for using thu'um is like blaming an archer for being precise with his bow or a swordsman for being better with his sword. Archer practiced how to use the bow, swordsman practiced how to use his sword, Ulfric practiced how to use his thu'um, he dedicated years to training it. Besides, it's not like ulfric wouldn't win with just his sword (he did finish him off with it), thu'um was a demonstration and a claim to nord heritage. Besides torygg could have refused the duel but he didn't, he knew he will die, it's like blaming a noob for accepting a challenge from a pro and being mab at losing.
Netflix adaptation: make balgruf a stong obese woman The dragonborn is a handicapped transgendered dragon furry shouting opinions and cant do anything wrong because its a minority Ulrik stormcloack is a black obese woman shouting opinions and the stormcloack army is black nords and elves The empire is white nords imperials etc Dragons are internet trolls Alduin is facts Miraak is a black man shouting facts Dawnguards are feminists fighting internet trolls trying to block out the sun Well you get my point and joke at this pointy point
There were books written based off the elder scrolls lore but they are not necessarily cannon to the games. Though, the authors were given permission by the elder scrolls creators to use the lore. They are kinda semi-cannon to the games as far as I know.
I always pick the Stormcloaks every play through, even as a High Elf. The Empire did the one thing, that an empire should never do. Outlaw the praise of its founder and hero. I think the Roman Empire did the same thing with Julius Caesar, and look what eventually happened to them. Imagine what would happen if the Federal Government banned the worship of Jesus Christ, under the order of some foreign country. Americans everywhere would be taking up arms against the government. Outlawing the first right of the First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The empire is falling apart in Tameriel, just like all empires. It's time for a new kind of leadership in Tameriel. Free from the tyranny of the Aldmerie Dominion. With the Dragonborn on their side, the Thalmor or the Imperial Legion don't stand a chance against the Stormcloaks. Plus if you refuse to kill Paarthurnaxx, but kill any of the remaining troublesome dragons. It seems likely that a united dragon kind under the leadership of the Dragonborn is possible. With Paarthurnaxx as second in command. The dragons could very easily prove to be very powerful allies against the Aldmerie Dominion.
James Roper i honestly never thought of it that way like ive always been a stormcloak myself but I always thought that if you kill paarthurnax and build the blades again it would be like a second army of very skilled warriors. Basically the same idea as yours but with the blades
The problem with this comment is that you act like the Empire & the Dominion are both allies, which couldn't be further from the truth. Tullius states in-game that the Empire is rebuilding its numbers for another Great War with the Aldmeri Dominion. You know all the Stormcloaks do? Slow down the Empire from rebuilding itself for another chance against the Dominion. And the picture is a lot bigger than "HuRr DurR, TalOs WorShIp iS BanNed"; the Thalmor are looking to destroy the races of men by decimating The Towers (which literally hold Mundus intact), and raising themselves to godhood in the process. Stopping mass genocide is much more important than Talos worship.
Mathew C. This is where i think you don’t understand, the dominion go wherever the empire goes and they send spys on the empire and literally piggy back ride them, if you watch fudgemuppet they explain it but also not worshipping talos is bad because when a divine looses its worshippers the divine weakens and weakens till they die and are erased from history so the thalmor are literally trying to end one of the divines. Sorry about that i usually skip ahead when I comment cause I generally think people actually watch videos on this kinda stuff
My character has their own kingdom is married to Miraak and has 3 dragonborns living in their house and has a full army of full ebony armor and has bend will and dragon aspect etc not only that I can summon mother fuckin alduin so ya no one is beating my character plus they have a ring of immortality so they can forever rule and bring peace
Phanbot01 that's a heavy issue with skyrim and a bit in oblivion as in both games they don't change the world (much) after your quests/actions and it's a reason why a lot of people enjoy morrowind because most decisions and accomplishments (such as saving everyone's asses) was recognized by random npcs. Making it feel like what you did had an effect in the game's world
I actually have a theory that Amaund Motierre was acting on behalf of the Elder Council to rid the Empire of the Mede dynasty. If you do any in depth reading of the lore you know that Titus Mede I took control of the Empire by force, he wasn't selected by the Elder Council to rule. They see the Mede's for the disaster they are and seek to install a new, more capable Emperor.
@@pyjamadan9848 I say still do it. Isn't that what roleplaying is about? I myself might be more inclined to the empire but the character that I made hates the empire and is a die-hard stormcloak. You assume the role of your character and see the world in his eyes. He might be a nord barbarian that fought in the great war but felt betrayed when the empire signed the treaty and gave up Talos. He didn't want to live in a Skyrim where the Thalmor are roaming since he felt disgusted by it and so he went to hammerfell temporarily. Now hearing there's a rebellion he chose to come back and considers Ulfric a hero and is right in his conquest to make Skyrim independent. He comes back and joins the Stormcloak and etc etc. It's fun to see different perspectives and play different characters that have their own unique experiences and values. So I say still play it for the roleplaying potential and story.
Thought of a good quote, might as well share it. "In war, amateurs talk tactics, trained talk strategies, professionals talk supplies." In the universe of Elder scrolls, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the dominion to start and maintain an open war with an independent Skyrim. And here is why. First, invade skyrim by land is simply not an option, unless the dominion is also at war with Hammerfell, the empire, most likely both. Even assuming the dominion is at war with only one of those powers, a large portion of its troops still cannot be deployed to the battlefield due to the threat of another neutral power. Unless the dominion develops a way to transport, supply, and care for its troops deep in hostile territories, strategically speaking the dominion doesn't even have a chance against Hammerfell alone due to its unforgiving terrain, let alone reaching and fighting in skyrim. So the second option is the attack with a naval invasion, and honestly it's even worse than attack on land. The only one port suitable for a LARGE SCALE invasion and maintain as a supply distribution center is solitude. And it's near impossible for the dominion to maintain a supply line reaching all the way from the southeast corner of the world, travel through hostile waters( hammerfell water and high rock imperial water) and reach solitude in time to supply and rotate its troops. Yes I do realize there are other beachheads that can be used as landing zone, some of them do have villages nearby, but they are not suitable for a large force to use it as a forward base, and here's why. 1, most of these beaches are located near shallow waters, large ships used by the dominion to transport all the way over would not be able to sail into port. 2, if we use the in game calendar, frozen water surface are presented in most of these locations year round, not ideal for troops made up of mostly southern elves and other races. 3, most if not all of them are not near major transportation routes, meaning the dominion needs to literally dig a new highway for the supplies to reach its front line troops. At first glance this is not a problem, however if that's the case, the majority portion of its invading forces would be consisted of rear echelon troops, engineers, workers and none frontline troops. This was exactly the problem the German army faces in WW2, almost half of its invading force during operation Barbarossa were made up of rear echelon troops, consequently they suffered greatly to local resistances, lack of efficiency when it comes to resupplying its combat troops. If that was a case for a near fully mechanized army, just imagine what a disaster would be for an army with medieval resupplying and mobility tech. It is also worth mentioning, skyrim's terrain somewhat closely resembles a modern day shithole on earth called Afghanistan, but much colder all year round, unforgiving. Skyrim's people are even more committed to their cause than the extremists the NATO faces today. Conclusion to my late night comment, in war it's not always the one with bigger muscles wins. Skyrim's independent opens an opportunity for its new political alliance with Hanmerfell, an isolated resisting force that desperately needs a new comrade in arms. Plus the dragonborn, you know.
Trenton Quinn You imagine right. Skyrim by land and sea are practically impossible with a large attack force. Unless... Say that the Stormcloacks won, and we (dragonborn) killed Tullius. I doubt we would stop there, as there are many camps, and thalmor. So I may see that one way of reaching Skyrim is by accessing Cyrrodil. Because we rebelled, the Empire is now our enemy, and the Thalmor would use that as an asset. If it was up to me, I would definitely use the concordant to get military access, and send a large force to, officially, quench the rebellion. But as we know, alliances can be made, truces as well. Skyrim should make an alliance with highrock and hammerfell.
Andyr Rafael the only problem with that idea is that the Empire don't like the Thalmor and in fact the only reason they accepted the peace treaty is because they wanted to declare war again once they've rebuild their civilization. Should Skyrim gain her independence and then declare war on the Thalmor with let's say the assistance of hammerfell and possibly High Rock there is no possible scenario in which the Empire hold such a grudge that they would not at the very least be neutral in the conflict and at the most Ally with Skyrim and hammerfell. Just remember the Empire doesn't actually like the Thalmor so the odds that they would Ally with them is slim to none
I feel as though many people say "if the Stormcloaks win the empire will be divided and will fall easily" without truly understanding that the Stormcloaks, provided with freedom, would support the empire. All the Stormcloaks want is the option to make their own decisions. The Stormcloaks would side with the empire and Hammerfell, effectively leading to a new empire. Given a year or two they would have organized enough to wage a devastating guerrilla war. Hammerfell and Skyrim are extreme climates with citizens who are experts in guerrilla warfare and know the land. The Thalmor don't know the land, are not adjusted to the land, and are less skilled in guerrilla warfare when compared to Nords and redguards. We are essentially looking at Russia vs Napoleon or Hitler and America vs the Middle East; the resources expended by the Dominion would drain them to the brink of defeat. Allowing an organized assault to end the war. Please criticize my opinion as I would love to see all sides to this argument.
HumanOfPrey If you have a more likely theory I would love to hear it. I'm honestly quite bored right now so I'd love to have a petty argument that will amount to nothing.
@Rick O'Shay Allow me to show you how his theory doesn't use logic: *the Stormcloaks, provided with freedom, would support the empire. All the Stormcloaks want is the option to make their own decisions. The Stormcloaks would side with the empire and Hammerfell, effectively leading to a new empire.* This is fake. The Stormcloaks yell ''A Pox on the Empire!'', ''Death to the Empire!'' and other such battlecries throughout the entire game. They do not wish to see Skyrim independent, they wish to tsee the Empire fall. The Stormcloaks do not seek to work with the Redguards or the Empire, they seek to create their own invasion on Summerset, both Ulfric and Galmar state as much. *Given a year or two they would have organized enough to wage a devastating guerrilla war. Hammerfell and Skyrim are extreme climates with citizens who are experts in guerrilla warfare and know the land. The Thalmor don't know the land, are not adjusted to the land, and are less skilled in guerrilla warfare when compared to Nords and redguards.* This is, again, utter nonsense. Skyrim following the Civil War is broke, its coffers are empty and under Stormcloak rule, its trade lanes would be extremely limited. The Stormcloak army is also extremely weak, and there's absolutely nothing to even suggest they'd be good at any sort of guerilla warfare. Not even the Redguards are said to be experts at guerrilla warfare; OP is speculating without anything to back it up. The Thalmor know Skyrim, they know how its climate is, and have far more skilled soldiers than either the Redguards or Nords... Aside from that, the Thalmor also have battlemages, something both the Nords and Redguards shun. *We are essentially looking at Russia vs Napoleon or Hitler and America vs the Middle East; the resources expended by the Dominion would drain them to the brink of defeat. Allowing an organized assault to end the war.* Comparing Russia to Skyrim is the biggest fault that exists. Not only is Skyrim nowhere near as large as Russia, it's also nowhere near as strong. Every time Skyrim has been invaded, the Nords failed to push back the invading force, how come? Because the Nords are bad at warfare. The Dominion's resources are grand, especially compared to Skyrim post-civil war.
For God's sake when is this utter 'Ulfric is a Thalmor SPY' bullcrap going to end? The dossier says he's an 'uncooperative asset'. For anyone above the age of 6 this clearly means he does not serve the Thalmor as a vassal but his actions indirectly benefit them in one way. As is inevitable seeing as they're more powerful than the Empire and the Stormcloaks on paper. Also, Ulfric isn't racist. He's a Nord nationalist which is to be expected since he's in the middle of a freaking war for the Nords and he quite possibly is suspicious toward non Nords on a personal level but that becomes irrelevant; there's a rich High Elf lady in Windhelm who comments on how a little work earned her a good place as a merchant there. There's also a Dark Elf who owns a farm and even comments on how the Dark Elves of Gray Quarter complain too much instead of doing anything; that the authority expects support from its citizens during a war effort is common sense. Also, the Gray Quarter Elves steal stuff and have Imperial Armour stashed in that inn/house of theirs. Kek. As for Argonians not being allowed inside Windhelm, Ulfric didn't make that rule, someone long ago did. Khajiit, yeah skooma thing.
The only way you could've made such a comment is by literally not reading a word I said. I'm just going to copy paste to shred this 'he is racist' propaganda (keeps elves belonging to the enemy race inside his city = 'wants to kick all elves out of Skyrim' lol talk about making things up) : 'He's a Nord nationalist which is to be expected since he's in the middle of a freaking war for the Nords and he quite possibly is suspicious toward non Nords on a personal level but that becomes irrelevant; there's a rich High Elf lady in Windhelm who comments on how a little work earned her a good place as a merchant there. There's also a Dark Elf who owns a farm and even comments on how the Dark Elves of Gray Quarter complain too much instead of doing anything; that the authority expects support from its citizens during a war effort is common sense. Also, the Gray Quarter Elves steal stuff and have Imperial Armour stashed in that inn/house of theirs. Kek. As for Argonians not being allowed inside Windhelm, Ulfric didn't make that rule, someone long ago did. Khajiit, yeah skooma thing.' Tl;dr High Elves and Dark Elves can make it good in Windhelm if they WORK. Not sit around remarking on how they don't care about the city's affairs (the women murders, for example). The Argonian thing is part of lore; the previous holders of Windhelm did indeed ban them, even if an NPC says otherwise. Ulfric simply didn't lift the ban.
AH A The Ulfric is a spy for the Thalmor thing is literally the strongest point they have, yet it can be discredited easily. It's been stated through and through, that a Stormcloak victory is to be avoided at all costs along with an Imperial victory. It's what they want, both sides to be distracted. I still don't get why they say Ulfric is a Thalmor puppet. Is he a bigger puppet than the Empire already is to the Dominion? Hell no. Thalmor practically roam the streets of Skyrim prior to a Stormcloak win. So to all to the people who say a Stormcloak victory is beneficial to the Thalmor, it's not. It's stated in the documents themselves. And when you think about it, the Thalmor wouldn't want a whole group of angry Nords whom are threatening to invade their homeland to be able to rule a whole province, right? No, they wouldn't. They want to control everything. The whole Empire.
Halmar Steel-Dick I bet most Imperial extremists haven’t even done the Stormcloak questline. They always say that Ulfric is an asshole because he is apparently racist. But they never even make the point that Ulfric straight up LIES to the Dragonborn once the Stormcloak side is completed. He said he’d become high king fairly, by letting the Jarls decide if he is worthy or not. But a conversation with Falk Firebeard states that they have no choice but to vote towards Ulfric for High King because his soldiers are garrisoned in all the holds.
Ulfric:"And the Thalmor Invasion has been foiled. The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed but I ensure you my resolve has never been stronger. The remaining Thalmor will be hunted down and defeated. In Order to ensure stability , Skyrim will be reorganized into the first Nord Empire, for a safe and secure society."
Hell as long as the dragonborn lives and Ulfric can actually shout people apart they may have a chance at defending Skyrim. Heck i think with the both of them they could invade the summerset isles. Perhaps send a false force to The imperial capital very obviously as a distraction and send a force led by the Dragonborn and Ulfric into Summerset to crush the High elves and have them scatter hopefully not being able to regroup after losing that much.
Paul Liu I wear it for immersion purposes. If I'm running around with Stormcloaks or Imperials in Dragonbone or Daedric armor, I feel more like hired help rather than a soldier.
The only exit I support Something I can't say about two real life events, one that happened in Europe, the other almost did in my native US and is still talk about today.
I feel like in the Stormcloak ending, in the near future, it is likely a truce would be made between Skyrim and Hammerfell. Not an alliance per say, but rather an agreement, similar to an entente. It is also likely that in this situation, High Rock would soon join the Northern Entente (my made up name for this alliance). This entente would function somewhat similarly to the European Union, with a trade system and economic zone. While the Empire would see the NE as a possible rival and neighboring powerhouse, it would not attack, as it had seen the loss of Skyrim as a great loss of wealth and power, and would not go into war knowing it could lose more than gain. Therefore I believe a treaty would be made between the Empire and the NE, many years later culminating into a thriving trade system and friendship.
Major John Pitcairn the only problem with this is that if skyrim was conquered by the stormcloaks (yes conquered not liberated as skyrim is the birthplace of the empire) the empire would just send in the other legions to defeat the weakend rebels and the thalmor at this point would probably have already sent agents to plunge skyrim into a new civil war so your entente seems very improbable and not to mention the fact that if an entente was made between skyrim and hammerfall the thalmor would use all thier spies in hammerfall/skyrim to make sure the alliance crumbled
I decided to join the stormcloaks after finishing the main quest, and damn was the invasion of whiterun heartbreaking especially after having done so much for the city, becoming thane, and getting married and moving into breezehome.
I've been a stormcloak since the beginning , I keep wanting to make an imperial and go the empire route , but it never feels right. I really feel like , if the elder scrolls 6 is a direct sequel , which I hope it is , I hope there are alot of options when choosing how the war continues. Maybe you get Ulfric to change his mind about the empire , and you act as a peace treaty to combine the forces against the Thalmor , or you dual Ulfric the same way he dualed the High King and you become the leader of the Stormcloaks , and with that choice you either side with the empire against the Thalmor , or say fuck them both. Or you play as the empire , and either wipe out Ulfric , or get him to join , or you join him. Some many options to me that Bethesda dropped the ball on in this game. But whatever it is , I hope the Stormcloaks take the fight to the Thalmor like Ulfric stated at the end of the Civil War in Skyrim.
100% stormcloak all the way but I always feel bad when having to choose between Ralof and Hadvar istg. I like em both. Edit: I forgot to add that I usually go with Hadvar to Riverwood as yk his uncle is a blacksmith. You can get free ingots whenever they respawn lol
@@justsomedude8091 wanting to protect your homeland and culture isn't racist. Look more into the dark elves, they want to take over all of skyrim. Read Dunmer of Skryim. Also elves think they're superior too. Imagine the empire comes to you Country to try and eliminate your culture and people, they're the real racist
In tes 6 I think it'd be really cool if the Stormcloak ending was Canon and it takes place in the Second Great War. End up just as the Empire is on its last leg a messenger runs up or like a Stormcloak soldier and play and implying that the Stormcloaks are here to help push back to Thalmor.
"I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil! I fight for their wives and children, whose names I heard whispered in their last breath. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing! I fight... because I must."
"Soon, the elves will again seek to rule the world. We must ready ourselves to fight them. For it will be Skyrim that shall lead Tamriel in those dark days, when the fate of the world is finally determined."
The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks! Embrace the word of mighty Talos, he who is both man and Divine!
"We're fighting because we're done bleeding for an Empire that won't bleed for us! Untold numbers of Nords died defending the Empire against the Dominion. And for what? Skyrim being sold to the Thalmor so the Emperor could keep his throne. We're fighting because our own Jarls, once strong, wise men, have become fearful and blind with the people's suffering. We're fighting because Skyrim needs heroes, and there's no one else but us." :)
The White Gold Concordat is the crime and the emperor the accused. "If this was my Empire, I'd be able to worship whoever I damned well pleased. You wish to see an Empire without Talos? Without its soul? We should be fighting those witch-elves, not bending knee to them. The Emperor is nothing more than a puppet of the Thalmor. Skyrim needs a High King who will fight for her, and Whiterun needs a Jarl who will do the same."
This "environment of freezing cold mountains didn't quite aid the snow elves when the Nords invaded, nor did it help the Nords when the Akaviri invaded, TWICE.
Just a basic question to all of you Stormcloack supporters: If the Empire couldn't beat the Aldmeri Dominion with Skyrim and Hammerfell on its side, what makes you think that Skyrim alone can stan its ground? Cold is not a problem for elves since there are LOTS of troops in Skyrim already and Skyrim would probably have to fight against both Empire and High Elves. While making Talos worshipping illegal is a bad thing, if you are losing you need a tactical retreat: that's just what it is, a temporary solution. Nords are not the best fighters neither the best magic users, those titles respectively go to Redguards and the High Elves; the College of Winterhold is in shambles so no help from that. And let's talk about that topic which is so fun: Ulfric slaughtering the High King. "But it was a fair fight". No it wasn't. Ulfric using the power of the voice in a duel is like a man bringing a gun to a stick fight! I don't see much "honor" in this man. Some of you will say that if you support the Stormcloacks they have the dragon born on their side. I wouldn't be so sure about that. Why? Let's analyze the ending for the Dragonborn DLC: the dragonborn kills Miraak and Hermeus Mora just lets him go away? I don't think so. (Some other youtuber actually analyzed this theory so go search for it) It's quite possible that the dragonborn is the new "prisoner", so no vantage for the Stormcloacks. You know what would be the easiest way? Skyrim TALKING to the Empire and getting their forces together to wipe out the Thalmors, but Ulfric's hot head could not think about that. I'm pretty dure that if Skyrim has the strength to beat the Thalmors the Empire would come to bargain (Dorumammu). I just feel that Stormcloacks are disorganized. Fighting a Civil War is very much different than fighting a full on war between to realms. In the end the Empire is destined to fall, but should it really fall under the Thalmor? The Thalmor would get hold of the biggest province of Tamriel. At that point Skyrim would be fucked anyways, because the Thalmor wouldn't let the Nords go because of Talos worshipping they'll probably keep going to war with them until they wipe out all the Nords, and they will win. Skyrim can become independent when it's not threatened by a much stronger force. While the state of civil war is good for the Thalmor, also Ulfric's victory is good for them you know? I just stated that if the Empire WITH his allies couldn't win, probably all of them divided will surely perish. I'm done.
Edoardo Poletti actually, it was fair combat. as far as an independent skyrim vs the dominion...hammerfell did it. not to mention Skyrim has geographic and resource advantages...and short of conquering the empire first, the dominion has no land route into skyrim
Hammer fell did it, but the Redguards are the best warriors of Tamriel. Geographic advantages are a plus yes, but there are already lots of Thalmor troops inside Skyrim, holding forts and whatnot, making them quite useless in most cases. Lastly if the Stormcloacks beat the Imperials in the civil war, the Empire is probably going to unite forces with the Thalmor to take Skyrim back and punish the transgressors, they don't need to conquer Cyrodiil to get into Skyrim, the Empire MUST to let them trough.
Switzerland managed to deter both the Nazis and Italians with: 1. Their natural fortress of a country. 2. A militia that was fairly well armed and trained, but with some of the most die-hard soldiers around, told to reject any news of surrender as enemy propaganda. 3. Common knowledge of guerrilla tactics and how to properly fight a guerrilla war. Stormcloak Skyrim is a very good allegory to Switzerland. You have a die-hard militia, knowledge of guerrilla warfare, and both natural and man-made defenses dotting the landscape. By all means, the Stormcloaks would win, if for no other reason than the total extermination of the Nords would be required, and that in and of itself would prompt moral outrage generating more and more rebellion.
Thijs Tharn Actually, Hitler had a very strong motivation given his political leanings. Not only did Switzerland have a sizable Jewish population and was a frequent stop for fleeing Jews, Germany wanted to annex the German cantons like they defied the military restrictions put upon the Rhineland, and annexed the Sudetenland, and the German areas of Austria and Hungary. Further weakening your point, Germany did draft invasion plans, and continued espionage efforts past 1942. In the intelligence report Kleine Orientierrungsheft Schweiz (Concise Reference Work Switzerland), they continued to analyze the Swiss resistance, and invasion plans were drafted in late 1943 by SS General Hermann Bohme and would have been executed in the summer of 1944 were it not for the D-Day invasion. Even earlier, in 1940, invasion plans were drafted and presented by Captain Otto Wilhelm von Menges of the German General Staff to the Army High Command, split into the German attack and the Italian attack. Plans continued to be refined all throughout the war, all referencing the will of the average Swiss man to pick up his rifle and fight to the last if need be, one report different from the last two going so far as to say that even though the Swiss army per se was not 100% mobilized, Germany should proceed as if that were the case. Switzerland had no value eh? History disagrees. Germany was planning an invasion for some time, clearly they had value worth fighting for, and an invasion would have happened if the Allies did not invade France beforehand. Citation, in as close to APSA format in a comment: Halbrook, Stephen P. 2003 “Citizens in Arms: The Swiss Experience” Texas Review of Law and Politics 8: 142-172 Found in EBSCO.
Thijs Tharn Then why are you objecting? The original point was that the Stormcloaks will win because they must be eradicated, and to do so is prohibitively expensive, just like an Axis invasion of Switzerland.
A side you choose wins the civil war, and can conquer the whole Tamriel. Don't forget that you are the Dragonborn! You defeated Miraak, you can bend will of dragons, you can turn into a werewolf/vampire lord, you have Auriel's bow and shield, your blood is the same blood that ran through veins of Tiber Speptim I! You have all daedric and aedric artifacts that you can find, you have access to ancient Dwarwen machines and weapons, you are the best warrior in all of Tamriel and Akavir and any island or continent that was not yet discovered! You destroyed Alduin the world eater, you have access to perks, you have shouts, you are probably the rightful heir to the throne of the Empire since Septim dinasty has the same blood as you do. If you joined the Empire nothing could stop you, really. Not Stormcloacks, not Thalmor, not anyone in the Aldmeri Dominion, there isn't anyone who can defeat you and your army of soldiers, dragons, great warriors summoned by Conjuration, Khaarstag, blessing of the Divines, Daedra artifacts and their favours to you, nobody can defeat The Dragonborn.
Not to mention if you add in the view of the citizens of Whiterun personally balgruuf the greater is the best option for high king of Tamriel cause he brings tactical insight into the war site
The best option for Skyrim under the Stormcloacks would be an alliance with Hammerfell considering both have superior knowledge of tactics and strategies for their locations they could very easily help each to help each other if you know what I'm saying. Once the Thalmor are fought back they could then go on the offensive and clean house similar to what Ysgamor (can't remember the spelling of his name) did. Also considering both countries size and power as well as military knowledge (both at arguably the best warriors on the continent) they would stand much more of a chance than they would if Skyrim fought alongside the empire and Hammerfell fought independently.
my allegiance in skyrim was a journey, on my first playthrough i had come from a shallow playthrough of oblivion as a kid, i mean not an actual kid but not old enough to understand politics as well as i do now, i also didn't pay much attention to the surrounding world other than "gotta deal with the big red dude" so my very first skyrim playthrough i played the underdog side and joined the stormcloaks (call it star wars syndrome, whenever i saw the word "empire" it was an immediate red flag) but i was still largely oblivious to TES lore in general after many playthroughs and diving deeper into the lore i came to respect the empire build by tiber septim and i thought it was something worth fighting for thus i became a die hard imperial loyalist keeping with my respect for talos, after i went back to oblivion and had a much more in depth playthrough, which importantly included the knights of the nine which was not available when i first played, i saw how talos was straight up a part of the divine pantheon as talos is literally the divine that allows you to do what pelinal couldn't because talos wasn't around back then add to that my further learning of the lore and how TES gods have their power directly affected by devotion and worship, as well as learning more about tiber septim in life as opposed to learning of the god talos, i realised how talos could effectively be rendered powerless and how tiber would've spat at the notion of peace at any cost i'm now back at where i started, backing the stormcloaks and i can proudly say that skyrim truly does belong to the nords, i don't entirely agree with ulfric's methods or his persona in general but the man has a point when it comes to the empire's bad management of resources, it's destruction and defamation of it's history and religion, and while him using the thu'um against torygg was the greatest dick move recorded probably since the second era, in using the thu'um he showed what the nords were, what skyrim and tiber septim were, and he reminded the world of the true power of the children of the sky and their storm voice big take away: ulfric is a dick but he is right, tiber septim was also a dick and i really respect the guy so stormcloaks FTW EDIT: as far as the mede dinasty goes, they aren't all without their merit especially titus mede II who is/was the current ruling emperor (depending on how far you've progressed into the dark brotherhood quest line) in fact titus mede II seens to be a fairly decent ruler but he was set up for failure due to general instability in the continent that started way before his rule so it's not like he's a shit emperor, he just got dealt a losing hand EDIT 2: as for skyrim being self suficient, well... i'm not so sure that they are but they are a pretty big player in trades, if high rock (likely) follows suit and peaces out of the empire then skyrim has pretty much 2 to 3 trade partners literally bording it (hammerfell, high rock, and orsinium) and honestly those 4 provinces have a pretty decent shot at starting their own alliance, they all hate the dominion, they're all soured by the white-gold concordat, they have relatively little bad blood among them, hammerfell orsinium and high rock once made up the "daggerfall covenant" way back in th days of ESO and were an alliance built on a prosperous relationship and mutual benefit, skyrim would only add to that as for dealings with black marsh, i find it unlikely as the folk from argonia seen pretty cozy down in their swamps and haven't made big plays since leaving the empire (outside of the instance where they rekt southern morrowind for revenge) plus they are far AF from skyrim so they likely wouldn't go out of their way to establish trade relations morrowind is a weird one, they kinda owe skyrim some props for helping them out after the red year, the high king literally gave solstheim to them just because it was the nice thing to do, the borders were largely opened for refugees and outside of windhelm the dunmer don't seen to have it too bad out there on the other hand nords and dunmer really fucking hate one another from way back when, morrowind is only with the empire because the old agreement with tiber septim essentially says "morrowind is part of the empire but gets to go about it's business as if it wasn't" so morrowind is only a part of the empire on paper, on practice they've been doing their own thing since the beginning of the third era and would likely just shut off relations with everyone if shit hits the fan, they seemed to get by just fine by themselves, with the helping hand of some friendly argonian slave labor but the big thing is that morrowind and black marsh are incredibly unlikely to become active enemies of a free skyrim at this time, they have no reason to join the ranks of the imperial legion in an effort to retake skyrim, the dunmer are really into daedra worship and the dominion is really against that stuff so morrowind isn't going to allly with the dominion, and black marsh is just a generally isolated place with very undesirable territory and of little military significance outside of maybe a staging post for invading cyrodill or morrowind, but morrowind itself is pretty undesirable as well so the real use of black marsh is to invade cyrodill which is empire territory anyway so no other province would be bothered to give half a skeever's ass about an invasion, especially if it came from black marsh which is geographically so far from any other province that it presents about zero threat of eventually engaging with anyone other than cyrodill
All is well put but I'd like to add that in the past elders scrolls games all the guilds were cannon even if it ment some other person did it they fill the roles by saying stuff like the arch mage or leader of the fighters guild. My point is that would mean the dark brotherhood where you kill the emperor will be cannon too even if it's not the dragon born that did it the lore will say a member of the dark brother hood did
Stormcloaks every dam time. I mean I’d love to entertain being with the empire for just one play through. Though the stormcloaks embrace fundamentals of freedom. The empire doesn’t embrace any fundamental of freedom but several of coercion and conformity. The Empire seems cool, but all it is is a damn sham
Think of this Civil War like the American Revolution. Some band of only farmers and poorly trained soldiers without proper equipment defeat the Empire. Now, you're thinking, "The Americans won because they had Spain and France helping them." That's correct, and that's also where Hammerfell comes in. Hammerfell allies with the Stormcloaks, a weak but effective alliance mind you, and now the Stormcloaks have an entire country on their side. Now, you're thinking, "Another reason the Americans won is because they had an ocean between them and the British, meaning it took longer for soldiers and supplies to come in." And that's where the geography of Skyrim comes in. No major attack force could move through the mountains that surrounds Skyrim. Or, at least, it would take to long. They Stormcloaks could simply pick off and attack force by hiding within the mountain near all the trails. Also, if an Imperial or High Elf navy was to go to the Ghost Sea, well, they probably wouldn't get there. Considering the High Elves would have to go past Hammerfell, and since Hammerfell is an ally, the would attack these fleets. They would also stop anyone going to Skyrim through part of the south, southwest. and northwest. Also, the Black Marsh might also ally with the Stormcloaks. They might not be a total ally, but one that's on standby during an evasion.
Ethan Gowers hammerfell has no reason to allign itself with skyrim I also don't think ulfric would ally even if hammerfell offered. He's too proud and stubborn
1) Did you know the Redguards and Nords fought against each other during War of Bend'r-Mahk some 600 years ago? Hammerfell just experienced Haymon Camoran or the Camoran Usurper taking advantage of the disunity between the Crowns and Forebears to invade the weakened Hammerfell. After the Camoran Usurper's invasion, the further weakened Hammerfell faced the Nords from Skyrim. The Crowns and Forebears was too caught up with their hatred for each other to face the Nords properly. It ended up with Elinhir and half of Dragonstar captured by Skyrim. So if you think Hammerfell is going to step in and help Skyrim, you're mistaken. One more thing, the Redguards signed a peace treaty with the Dominion (Second Treaty of Stros M'Kai) and they won't break that treaty just because Skyrim "asked" them. 2) Skyrim was once a falmer land, then it was invaded by the akaviri, by the nords and by the imperials. The Dominion can do the same with ease.
Sir Spider Here, here. I’m a proud Khajiit fighting for my right to worship one of my gods and because I’ve seen what those scumbag elves are like. We may not be Nords but we still won’t bow to any stupid elf.
Skyrim belonged to the snow elves, the nords stole it from them basically. So even if the imperials are doing the same thing (which they aren't) they would kinda deserve it.
Dirty Dan no they earned it from right of conquest. The snow elves attacked the ancient altmoran city and and killed everyone but three altmoran. If the imperials one then it's there's if they lose its the Stormcloaks.
you know that that warcry is the equivalent of "germany belongs to the aryans" right? the stormcloacks don;t have the kind of racism third wave feminists complain about, they have the kind of racism that fuels wars and kills 6 million people.
For me it is completely irrelevant if those of the Empire get the victory in the civil war for Skyrim, since apart from the fact of its constant state plagued by corruption, & decay in which it is currently, all until now since the death of "Martin Septim", indicates that it is simply destined to collapse completely; In one way or another, we will know in T.E.S. 6. Also.., I only clarify that Martin Septim, the last emperor of the Septim dynasty did not descend from "Tiber Septim" directly, but from his brother "Agnorith Septim". -There is also a prophecy from "T.E.S. 3" said by "Oddfrid White-Lip", which clarifies that when the last of the dragons dies(Martin), the Empire will be condemned to death(collapse), which also predicts some events of the "Oblivion Crisis", & It would not even be the first time that an empire created by humans collapses in the universe of T.E.S., since the first known to date belonged to the ancestors of the Nords, the Atmorans in the continent of "Tamriel".✍️ Oddfrid White-Lip: "When the dragon dies, the Empire dies. Where is the lost dragon's blood, the Empire's sire? & from the womb of the void, who shall stem the blood tide? So long as the Blood of the Dragon Prince runs strong in her rulers, the glory of the Empire shall extend in unbroken years. His heart's blood bleeds in darkness. For once the portals are opened, who shall shut them upon the rising tide? For Lord Dagon forever reborn in blood & fire from the waters of Oblivion. Find him... & close shut the marble jaws of Oblivion."
My prefect independent skyrim: This is set 12 years after skyrim is independent, in lore it's bigger than Poland and has a population of a tax bit over a million. The dragonborn is high king. The dragonborn repaired all major forts and added walls to all cities. Talos worship was reinstalled, all imperial pow are sent back to cyrodil as a sign of good will. Solstheim is annexed. Ulfric at the end of the war doesn't have a lot of support due to him being power hungry, and the dragonborn defeats him and all jarls support him to be high king. Skyrims now has a national guard and their independent military is 80k with 10 being part of the navy due to the blood horkers being allies. All named dragons that don't have to be killed, swear allegiance to the dragonborn kind of how they did with alduin. The calvary consists of armoured saber cats. Orc strongholds join skyrim, they dont have to pay taxes and they can still follow their tribal ways, the only catch is that they have to help skyrim in any war. The forsworn are wiped out and uses as slaves to build forts, roads etc. Harkon is killed. The blades are reformed and number 250 under delphine. Most barbarians are killed or captured then the dragonborn lets them join the military or die, they get pardoned if they join and get to keep all their items they had. Knight paladin gelebor finds a way to talk to the falmer and eventually 2,000 snow elevs are back and they live in the 11th hold of, "The Vale". I feel this skyrim would be very very powerful and in the top 3 of the most powerful nations in tamriel.
Rebuild all those forts in 12 years? Yeah right. Annexing Solsheim would start a war with the dark elves. And unless you're a nord, Ulfric's claim to the throne will be stronger than yours even if everyone thought he was power hungry.(Half of skyrim backs him as high king)
Da-Ron Davis Forsworn slaves, you are a nord, and morrowind is in caos and a skyrim that is that powerful would be able to just threaten them with war if they didnt
MinecraftZombieSlayer 69xXAssasinXx I can't see all of your reply so I can't respond to all of it but slavery is wrong. And invading morrowind would be hard because of the red mountain area still being desolate and uninhabitable.
@@WildRaven2008 oh I know they do, but they would rather appease their master's rather than fight back openly, in my opinion anyway, lol, it's a fictional game with fictional events
Stormcloaks are better. Period. The only arguement the Empire fanboys can come up with is the same "Ulfric is a racist and a Thalmor puppet and the Empire is the only one that has a chance against the Thalmor" bullshit. The Empire is already falling. Not only that, but the Empire is already more of a Thalmor puppet. Why? Because the Thalmor is only taking advantage of that foolish White Gold Concordat to slowly take over Skyrim through the Empire (killing the Nord worshippers of Talos to spread Thalmor influence and also possibly to reduce the number of soldiers of Skyrim should they ever have a war with them). Not only that, but the fear of the Empire of the Thalmor has caused them to do whatever the Thalmor wants! I mean come on, out of the war, the Thalmor is the only one with the gain since the Empire doesn't want anything like that to happen again, and thus providing anything they can to the Thalmor. And what does the Empire gain from that? Nothing. Meaning the wants of the Thalmor continiously corrupts the Empire, so much so in fact that the Empire can't even be the same as they once was again. And just look at Titus! He was already winning in the Great War, and yet he came up with a peace treaty? A foolish peace treaty that only empowers the Thalmor! If you reached the ending of the Dark Brotherhood storyline, at some point, Amaund will say something about doing a great service to Skyrim, but he doesn't eleborate on that further. My assumption is that by killing Titus, the Thalmor won't have any high ranking puppet inside the Empire any longer. Yes, I assume that Amaund is very well aware of the Thalmor controlling the Empire, and that by killing their puppet, the Thalmor will have a problem spreading their influence. See how the Empire already became a Thalmor puppet? And what can you say about the Stormcloaks? Is Ulfric a Thalmor puppet? No. You gonna say "read the Thalmor dossier?" Bullshit. Ulfric is the one trying to spit in the face of the Thalmor by wiping them out the face of Skyrim. And also, you Empire boys are being painfully ignorant of the dossier. The dossier literally said that Ulfric winning will complicate them and that he's only considered an asset because he unintentionally helps the Thalmor, which, by the way, will only lead to the Thalmor gaining nothing because Ulfric wants them out in the end. And listen to Ulfric and Tullius' conversation when you're at the Castle Dour during the Battle for Solitude. Tullius already pointed it out himself that the Empire is weak and corrupt because of the Thalmor, and Ulfric himself said that it's more than just a rebellion. Meaning a rebellion, not only against the Empire, but to fuck the Thalmor. And if you Empire boys are wandering what's gonna happen to Skyrim in the future should they ever had a war with the Thalmor, know that the Nords can also prepare and gather alliances from other regions of Skyrim and start an all out rebellion against the Thalmor to wipe them out once and for all. In conclusion, the Empire is a Thalmor puppet, and the Stormcloaks are the ones trying to get rid of them for the greater good. Stormcloaks are better.
*The Empire is already falling. Not only that, but the Empire is already more of a Thalmor puppet. Why? Because the Thalmor is only taking advantage of that foolish White Gold Concordat to slowly take over Skyrim through the Empire (killing the Nord worshippers of Talos to spread Thalmor influence and also possibly to reduce the number of soldiers of Skyrim should they ever have a war with them).* Ahh yes, the emotional Stormcloak argument without a basis... ''The Empire is already falling'', how so? Also, you really don't see that Ulfric actively and willingly collaborated with the Thalmor, do you? *Not only that, but the fear of the Empire of the Thalmor has caused them to do whatever the Thalmor wants! I mean come on, out of the war, the Thalmor is the only one with the gain since the Empire doesn't want anything like that to happen again, and thus providing anything they can to the Thalmor. And what does the Empire gain from that? Nothing. Meaning the wants of the Thalmor continiously corrupts the Empire, so much so in fact that the Empire can't even be the same as they once was again.* Not really. The Empire's puting their troops at the border of the Dominion, and Tullius was right about to execute Ulfric when the Thalmor did not want that at all. *And just look at Titus! He was already winning in the Great War, and yet he came up with a peace treaty? A foolish peace treaty that only empowers the Thalmor! If you reached the ending of the Dark Brotherhood storyline, at some point, Amaund will say something about doing a great service to Skyrim, but he doesn't eleborate on that further. My assumption is that by killing Titus, the Thalmor won't have any high ranking puppet inside the Empire any longer. Yes, I assume that Amaund is very well aware of the Thalmor controlling the Empire, and that by killing their puppet, the Thalmor will have a problem spreading their influence. See how the Empire already became a Thalmor puppet?* The Great War would've been lost, miserably, without the Concodat. Armaund says that the death of the Emperor would bring a change to Imperial policy, Motierre is clearly in it for personal gain. *And what can you say about the Stormcloaks? Is Ulfric a Thalmor puppet? No. You gonna say "read the Thalmor dossier?" Bullshit. Ulfric is the one trying to spit in the face of the Thalmor by wiping them out the face of Skyrim.* Is that why he actively, willingly, and cooperatively collaborated with the Thalmor? Is that why he is their asset? *And also, you Empire boys are being painfully ignorant of the dossier. The dossier literally said that Ulfric winning will complicate them and that he's only considered an asset because he unintentionally helps the Thalmor, which, by the way, will only lead to the Thalmor gaining nothing because Ulfric wants them out in the end.* They don't want him to win because it weakens the Empire less than an ongoing war, common sense. *And listen to Ulfric and Tullius' conversation when you're at the Castle Dour during the Battle for Solitude. Tullius already pointed it out himself that the Empire is weak and corrupt because of the Thalmor, and Ulfric himself said that it's more than just a rebellion. Meaning a rebellion, not only against the Empire, but to fuck the Thalmor.* Tullius says nothing of the sort. Tullius says that Ulfric is doing exactly what the Thalmor wanted; weaken the Empire while the Thalmor gain strength. Ulfric says it's ''more than a rebellion'' because he took the capital, nothing more. *And if you Empire boys are wandering what's gonna happen to Skyrim in the future should they ever had a war with the Thalmor, know that the Nords can also prepare and gather alliances from other regions of Skyrim and start an all out rebellion against the Thalmor to wipe them out once and for all. * Unfortunately, the Stormcloaks are too weak to do that.
The Forgotten Hero Actually, typical replies that are posted at 11:00 PM or 1:00 AM. I think gibberish username there just needed to get off their phone and sleep. Imperial supporters do the same.
I can come up with quite a few. Firstly, Skyrim really benefits from the Empire because of all of the trading and supplies. The Empire has a lot of nations that are friends that WILL help in the upcoming battle between Skyrim and the Dominion. Secondly, the Empire only sighned the white gold concordot because there were rumours that the Thalmor had a second army waiting to attack. They couldnt take the chances of that beeing true. And everyone that isnt in the Dominion hates the Dominion, however, even though the Imperials are kind of in there, they hate the Thalmor and the Aldmeri Dominion and know that the Dominion wants them dead, so what do they do? Gather troops, try to get the people of Skyrim to help stop the menace. But the comes the second thing. Secondly, the Dominion started the Civil War. See, my theory is that the Dominion did not have a second army and were nearly finished. So what do they do? Spread rumours that they do have a second army to terrify the Empire. They sign the white gold concordot and are at the Thalmor's every whim. They ban Talos worship in Skyrim and what happens? The Civil War. Oh, and by the way, the Thalmor consider Ulfric an asset. Do you really think after all that torture and everything he knew, that they'd let him go? Oh, and who decides to MURDER Torygg ,when he could have justmade him yeild, as a sign and takes the role unrightfully and a second after declares war? Ulfric? And who wants the war? The Dominion? And who do they consider a "dormant asset"? Ulfric. Finally, if Skyrim is idipendent it will be overrun. Skyrim will probably be on its own, with the chances of Hammerfell helping, less than 50%. And if Ulfric is an agent then you are handing Skyrim to the Dominion. Whereas if the Empire succeeds then its Skyrim, the Empire High Rock and a few other places that will assist. At the least its the Aldmeri Dominion against four if the Empire wins and at least 0 if the Rebellion wins because of the whole, you know, Ulfric possibily being a spy? Boom, you are entitled to your own opinions and I will respect them but Empire's still a great choice.
no no no no no never gonna happen, sorry stormcloak Fanboy, the stormcloaks are bound to lose. Too ambitious, greedy leader, small numbers, new Faction, the empire's legions that will just keep coming at them, the Thalmor immediately conquering them if they won and you know the worst of them all??? they have ZERO MAGIC SKILLS compared to the fucking 1000 year old battlemages the Aldmeri Dominion has. The empire is the only way standing between the Thalmor and men.
I think that a Stormcloak victory would isolate High Rock from The rest of the Empire(Cyrodill) and would make a Thalmor invasion much easier. Either way the Stormcloaks must cooperate with the Empire to stay alive even if they do win. So an Empirial victory benefits everyone.
Just Noob An alliance with Hammerfell can be seen from miles away. I'm more co concerned about the fate of the Imperial provinces. The Argonians and Dunmer dislike the Nords and the dragons are exticnt after Alduin's death. So your point is invalid.
I chose the Stormcloaks because of the illegitimate Mede Empire's Big Lies: 1) The Nords are uniquely racist! 2) It's all Ulfric's fault! 3) We are the Good Guys! 4) We have no choice but to obey the Thalmor! 5) We are the only choice to defeat the Thalmor! Did I miss any? Furthermore, continued commerce, and a military alliance between Hammerfell (whose people have a long-standing hatred of Mer), Skyrim, and Cyrodiil is entirely possible. But no more "Empire." Imps cannot be trusted ever again.
Funny realization, the opinion that Talos isnt a real god is objectively wrong. In Oblivion, we satisfy the demand for the "blood of an Aedra" with some of Tiber's dried, centuries old blood
stormcloacks win, bretons see this victory and a part of them starts a rebellion, Nords and Redguards helps the rebellion so High Rock gets independant, they three forms an alliance, they take over Cyrodiil, they reform the Empire, placing the Dragonborn as Emperor, the Dragonborn kick elvish asses.
Idc, it's cannon that the Dragonborne sides with the Stormcloaks. The Dragonborne met Ulfric while arrested, Ulfric uses the Voice, you are clearly meant to follow stormcloak after the dragon. Nord is default race. They clearly had written it that the Dragonborne was meant to side with the Stormcloaks. If it's not that way in ESO 6 I'm gonna be mad because it's an obvious retcon.
Me I always sided with the Stormcloaks when I sided with the Blades. Considering under the Empire the Blades seem to be open season for Thalmor Justiciars.
As a storm cloak I agree with this, stormcloaks are good if you value freedom of speech and religion a lot, empire still does worship thalos in secret but if found out by the thalmor say bye bye off to thalmor dungeon for you. While stormcloaks would not recognize thalmor authority at all. Imperial is good if you want to combat racism ulfric is a bit racist and it clearly is the same for the nords in his city
Nords Arise! Throw off the shackles of Imperial oppression. Do not bow to the yoke of a false emperor. Be true to your blood, to your homeland. The empire tells us we cannot worship holy Talos. How can man set aside a god? How can a true Nord of Skyrim cast aside the god that rose from our own heartland? Mighty Tiber Septim, himself the first emperor, conqueror of all Tamriel, ascended to godhood to sit at the right hand of Akatosh. Tiber Septim, a true son of Skyrim, born in the land of snow and blood, bred to the honor of our people, is now Talos, god of might and honor. The Empire has no right to tell us we cannot worship him. Our own high king, Torygg, betrayed us to the empire. He traded our god for peace. He agreed to a pact with the Thalmor signed by an emperor in a foreign land. Are we to be beholden to such a pact? No! A thousand times no. Do not let the lessons of history go unheeded. The Aldmeri Dominion and its Thalmor masters made war upon men, just as the elves made war upon Ysgramor and our people in ancient times. Shining Saarthal was burned to the ground, reduced to ruins and rubble in their treacherous assault. But Ysgramor and his sons gathered the 500 Companions and made war upon the elves, casting them out of Skyrim. In the Great War fought by our fathers, the elves again betrayed men by attacking us unprovoked. The Dominion and the Thalmor cannot be trusted! Like Ysgramor, Ulfric Stormcloak is a true hero of Skyrim. His name will ring in Sovngarde for generations to come. Only he had the courage to single out King Torygg and challenge him to trial by arms. Ulfric's thu'um, a gift from Talos himself, struck down this traitorous ruler. And by his death we are now free of our Imperial shackles and the Thalmor overlords that darken the Imperial throne. The Empire has sent its Legions to govern us. They have enlisted our own countrymen to their cause. They have set brother against brother, father against son. They have caused Skyrim to battle itself in their name, for their cause. Do not let them divide us. Do not let them conquer us! Reject the Imperial law that forbids the worship of Talos. Join Ulfric Stormcloak and his cause!
I've always preferred the stormcloaks to the empire, the only thing I hate about choosing the stormcloaks is that I think Jarl Balgruuf is abit of a geezer and hate to see him get de-throned, but I guess he bought it on himself really😂
This argument is flawed because your not looking at the bigger picture. If Skyrim secedes from the empire, it will only weaken it. Which of course will only make the empire easier to defeat. And, After they take out the empire who do you think their gonna go after next? Skyrim and Hammerfell. Do you really think one little province is going to be able to stand up against them? They're already pretty powerful as General Tullius said that the only reason that they are not completely invading Skyrim is because most of the empires troops are bury securing the Empire/Aldmeri dominion border. What do you think Skyrim is going to do when the dominion comes with the full resources of the empire? If Skyrim will stay with them it will perhaps give them the manpower they need to squash the aldmeri dominion. All Skyrim is doing now is wasting their resources. If you read the War of the Red Ring book and others in Skyrim then you will realise that the empire was only doing what it could to stop itself from being completely annihilated.
Indeed, i think the video's reasoning is flawed in many ways, for example he says in the video that the empire turned it's back on Talos and is a puppet of the aldmeri dominion. This is simply not true as first of the empire didn't willingly outlaw Talos worship and also many npc's and books like general Tullius talk about a 2nd greát war between the aldmeri dominion and the empire and that the empire signed the treaty so that they could build up their strength to fight the elves again. Would the empire engage in this second war it is very possible that the worship of talos would be allowed once again. How i see it the stormcloaks are only looking at the smaller picture and want fast solutions to their problems while the empire is planning far ahead.
Yes but both sides are preparing to go to war. Once the empire beats the aldmeri dominion it will be able to allow Talos worship again. But of course that won't happen until the empire has the resources to beat the aldmeri dominion. Skyrim leaving will only exacerbate the destruction of the empire. Which is the only thing keeping the dominion at bay.
+Brett McManus So you would rather have the Dominion occupying Skyrim then the Empire? Because that's exactly what's going to happen. the Dominion is going to beat the already weak Empire and then just steamroll Skyrim.
+Necromancer Well the Dominion couldn't beat Hammerfell, who borders the Dominion's domain. Also the Nords are quite practiced at guerrilla warfare. So where's your proof that the Thalmor would conquer Skyrim? We know for a fact that they couldn't conquer an independent nation. Just simply pointing out to the OP that this video was specific to the people of Skyrim, not the Empire.
The emperor gets assassinated anyway making things even more complex. The Legion can't even protect their leader from a assassin. The army is so weak it can't stop a rebellion. What if there was a real crisis in Skyrim and Skyrim needed the Legion? It's not there. I mean Solitude is so tied up in politics the most powerful Necromander almost rose up again under their nose and would of been a Catastrophe for all of Skyrim. Their Court Wizard is a vampire pulling strings. That is extremely dangerous Considering she likes knows and is downplaying it. Also with the rise of Harkon it could easily become a real problem. The Empire seems blind to the growing dangers or indifferent them Which isn't just bad for skyrim but for everyone. They ignore the Forsworn problem. One Of the biggest arguments is that thr Empire brings food and stability to Skyrim but look at Winterhold. It's barely surviving and they don't help it. I used to side with the Empire. You know saying that they got the bigger army and that you're just biting time till they can fight again. But it's been almost 20 years since they signed the treaty and Banning Talos worship might be overlooked but they have thr Thalmor Literally kidnapping and torturing people. They don't even acknowledge you as dragonborn while Ulfric does. You can basically blow back and entire Battalion by yourself and the Legion doesn't even care. The legion doesn't even seem to really care about the dragon while the holds do...
They already lost 1 war when they were “united”, and hammerfell proved it is possible for individual countries to beat the aldmeari dominion if they have the will and determination. I think independent Skyrim, backed by the fury and humiliation placed upon them by the high elves would stand a much better chance than a fractured empire who’s nords are more likely to rebel again and make it even more difficult to win if a second Great War breaks out
The only way I can think of a victory against the Aldmeri Dominion is a unified front. Different independent countries would make easier targets to take control over one by one. If the combined forces of the empire just barely forced back the thalmor offensive, Skyrim alone would never be able to hold back a full on invasion. The argument with Hammerfell pretty much falls short considering that there really never was a full invasion that aimed to take all control of that region.
Realistically, there’s no way the Dominion could conquer Skyrim. The harsh terrain alone would make it a nightmare to occupy. Pre-Skyrim lore also states that all nords, even Peasent farmers, would have a considerable amount of combat prowess due to living in such a difficult area. This means that guerilla tactics would result in the equivalent of a snowy Vietnam War for the Altmer.
I've only sided with the Empire once to see the dialogue cause I like that shit and i got to say at least Ulfric went down like a true warrior instead of giving up like tullius who only fought because Rikke fought.
Tullius didn't want to fight because it'd be fighting a losing battle. Killing Tullius is arguably one of the most idiotic things Ulfric could have done. Tullius was a brilliant general, Ulfric killed him merely because he wanted him dead.
Dark Dragon Nobody is right, either side has its pros and cons. With the Legion winning, it would be better for the Second Great War, but if the Stormcloaks won it would be better for Skyrim.
If the stormcloaks win their only hope of survival is if hammerfell joins them. If not, the aldmeri dominion wipe Skyrim out and then kill off a weakened empire. Even if they did join they’d have to fight off the empire and the thalmor at the same time. And for the citizens of Skyrim that aren’t nords, I fear they’d end up stuck in one city being harassed by ulfrics men. Also uflrics battle tactics at the battle of Whiterun showed me enough to know he wouldn’t outwit the high elves
All the elves have in Skyrim is a small fort and an emissary containing a small army which is badly enough to occupy the 4th largest kingdom in Tamriel.
the empire died the day they put me to the block
One overzealous caption doesn't make the empire.....however the torture chamber and corpses in cages thought Imperial dungeons does speak to some seriously messed up stuff that the Empire is fine with. Seriously, screw those guys and their Getmos.
No? Well how about General Tullius the commander of the entire imperial legion in skyrim standing by and allowing them to execute a traveler who just so happened to cross in the same area the stormcloaks were at.
If he won't put his foot down to prevent the summary execution of a traveler he's never going to be able to stand up to the altmer dominion.
And honestly the empire surrendering just because they managed to attack the imperial city is like the US surrendering because a single army managed to invade washington DC.
Yung Venuz God of guns yes the empire tryed to kill me so now i must join the stormcloaks fight the empire kill tullius and Rlikka and win skyrim its freedom
leon Shepard it was because of the stormcloaks that you were on the block in the first place
redninja 64 i flight the empire for vengeance and i will have my revenge
You can't compare the Nords and Redguards and say Skyrim would fight off the Aldmeri Dominion like Hammerfell did.
We all know those redguards only won because they have curved swords. Curved. Swords.
Josh Konyn blades katana is also curved fam
steven buitenkamp Yeah..... you know the blades are:
1. An Imperial agency, not Stormcloak
2. Basically non-existant (at least in my games; I ain't ever gonna kill Paarthunax for those losers)
Your argument is therefore invalid.
no fucking shit but havin scimitars isn't that big of an advantage either so its not a valid argument either, that's why I responded like dis.
steven buitenkamp U mad bro?
no
Skyrim “war”
Battles “5v5”
......
@Mr Stxne Alxne with mods 5v5 + thomas the train
Well, to be fair, the engine has it's limits. That's gameplay and story segregation.
@@StoneOfChaos7 yes, but there is a lot of cut content, like sieges and such
I killed 80 men during the siege of windhelm in the legion side and a similar number during the siege of solitude on the stormcloak side. There are often relatively large amounts of enemies during most of the sieges. To progress during the sieges of most forts you need to kill like 40 enemies.
@@richhartnell6233 what mod is that
"Skyrim is for the Nords!"
Plays as a Khajiit
I'm even more out of place
I play as a dremora
Skyrim belongs to the nords!
(Plays as a literal fox who crashes the game when entering combat stance)
I'm the most out of place though. I play as an Imperial and still sided with the Stormcloaks.
The nords aren't racist, some are, but that's a bad apple that every race has. The stormcloaks are just angry with the Empire and hate the tyrannical dominion and want independence. They accept any race and are fine with sharing their land but they want people to contribute to their cause and Skyrim, not just do anything and get free land. In windhelm, where "dark elves are mistreated", there's a dark elf that has worked his butt off and contributed to the city and Skyrim and he's rich along with being a known figure because of his contributions, even downtalking other dark elves calling them lazy which you can argue is true. Something else I do want to mention is the first time you walk into windhelm and a dark elf is being bullied, she says that the war isn't her fight when in reality it is because Skyrim is now her home and was given to the dark elves because of the eruption of red mountain, they should fight for it and repay the nords for their hospitality but that's my opinion and I respect both sides of the war
I’m not out of place, I play as a nord.
I like the Stormcloaks but i always feel bad when you kick out Balgruuf
He made his choice
think about it, at least Maven is not the jarl of Riften
@@shadowmoon7821 yeah Marvin is the worst. There was also that jarl in falkreith who was openly working with bandits and simply using his position to do nothing and clearly didn't care about his people.
Same tho
@@shadowmoon7821 maven owns riften either way juat like the silverbloods own markarth
The logo for skyrim shows the empire symbol with a chip at the bottom symbolising the empire is not what it was and is crumbling
Goro Or perhaps the missing chip is the dragonborn. Once you join the empire, it is complete and unified. Perhaps that's why only when you join either side do they gain the upper hand. Ta daa
Goro Or maybe because they taught it was wise to have mindless barbarians as their subjects.
Ysmir and his 500 warriors were outnumbered to the Snow elves. Ysmir with his Wuuthraad and 500 warriors buttfucked this shit out of the Snow Elves assholes.
Another thing is that Empire AND the Aldmeri Dominion armies were decimated. The Dominion suffered more than the Empire because ALL their armies in Cyrodiil have been slaughtered in the last battle.
Last, Elves breed very slow compared to humans. When Ysmir came with his people, Snow Elves were frightened by their breeding process. Humans fuck like rabbits. We breed fast as fuck. Elves are very slow at it. Either side you choose will result the defeat of the Dominion. I myself will always choose Stormcloaks because I can never support corruption silver tounges.
Ulfric is just a man who wants to be High King and doesn't care about how many blacksmiths, farmers, or any of Skyrim's native sons and daughters die for him to do so, even having you personally hand deliver the crown to him while he sits on his ass in a decaying apartheid city.
The Stormcloaks also attack the innocent civilians of Whiterun during the Battle of Whiterun....
Ulfric is being used as an asset for the Thalmor to drain Imperial resources and make it easier to invade Skyrim, and that's why he will die at the tip of my sword, for the greater good of Skyrim, and for the eventual fall of the Aldmeri Dominion.
For the Empire!
Brian Sheehan then why does he go to sovengarde...
"I promise, I'm not going to get political."
3 drinks later.....
"Ultimately, the empire under the rule of Titus mede the 2nd is a joke and DESERVES TO DIE."
sounds like my kind of politics
I would 100% go stormcloak if it wasn’t for the state of windhelm. If this is the kind of world the storm cloaks can build, why even fight for them? I get enough short sided racism and economic inequality in the real world
@@jon1819 human and elves aren't the same species, you can't call them racist if they aren't even the same species.
@@jon1819 look at the location of Windhelm. They are living in a cold as fuck area, of course they are not going to be as prosperous as Solitude who is at a much better location. And the city is also incredibly old
@@jon1819 just remember, the dark elves are way more racist than the nords
Guys we’re forgetting the true rulers of Skyrim, the fall damage
So, Gravity?
I think rd2 has worse fall damage as you fall 2 feet and die.
Timothy Wade
Well, it’s more realistic than most GTAs I guess?
Golden - Destiny
..And in the end, I did
-Arthur Morgan
@@surrk1057 this is Skyrim dipshit, not RDR2 not GTA, Skyrim.
After the Storm Cloaks Win and the Aldmeri Dominion tries taking over -
Aldmeri Dominion - We have a thousand soldiers.
Storm Cloaks - We have a Dragon born.
Calluminate so what makes you think the empire could win again?
Calluminate Mate THE Dragonborn in lore is written to be able to take on the empire, thalmor, and any other armies all at once without breaking a fucking sweat and he has a army of dragons through Parthurnax and odavhing
@@Galaxy-rj1kj also ulfric can shout too
@@Blurple0 The dragonborn would win with windshear
The DB could call an army of dragons and destroy everyone
Or or or we can just have our overpowered, god-like dragonborns single handedly take over the entire fucking planet like we all want to
Then we could start the Pablo Chico Sherlock dynasty
God-like dragonborn as the supreme leader of the damn planet? Why wasn't this an ending.
Insert Original Name Please Because time and money
Dothurnaax
Yaaaas
I mean it's possible, you are basically unkillable
"It pissed of a lot of Nords" understatement of the century, it pissed me off and I'm a Breton
Breton: I am angry!
Nord: YOU ARE A DEAD MAN WALKING!
Red Guards: We got Carved Swords. Carved. Swords.
Imprials: I am weak and need a Nord to do my work.
Dark Elfs: Why dose Ulfirc Stromcloak hate us?
High Elfs: We belive every one is inferior to us.
Dwemer: The Gods think we need there laws?
Snow Elfs: I hate the Nords!
Falmer:
Ancient Nords: We slay Dargons, and those danm Elfs for a living.
Stormcloaks: We will make Skyrim Great Again!
Empire: We did make Skyrim Great!
Thalmor: Good! Good! Everything is processing as I have forseen!
Morrawind: We are divided in to 8 houses. And getting our ass kicked by the Lizard people.
Arroganea: You like knifes? You like them in your belly? Then don't bother me.
Elsewhere: Cat people.
Valenwood: Do we even exist?
Titus Mede the 2nd: Suicide sounds like fun! So I am just put a contact to the Dark Brotherhood, so that why I am not the one too say "I couldn't do it."
Bathada: *Counting money from the sell of Skyrim*
Same here!!!!
@@fristnamelastname5549 yeah right. The Stormcloaks got their ass handed to them by the Empire as seen in-game right at the start. Ulfric himself gagged and tied-up in the carriage with you. And that was when the Empire was weakened after the recent war with the Thalmor. So yeah, goodluck being a Stormcloak in a war against the Thalmor there bud, but ultimately, I think the Stormcloaks are gonna lose.
@@imperialtrooper927 milk drinker!
@@caveman4597 nah dude he's right
At least every Stormcloak is wearing pants in cold and snowy Skyrim.
@@sausagelessgumbog2b447
Woah, hold up, PAUSE 😳
@@sausagelessgumbog2b447 testsicles
Tiber septim is pronounced tyber rather than tibber
Also in tes 6, they should make the war options aldmeri dominion vs the Empire
TheProGamer1223 if they do that, they should put the war at the forefront, with strategy and counterattacks...not the lackluster "take this fort, take that city" while the opposing faction just sits around with their thumbs up their arses quest line that it was
TheProGamer1223 Hopefully. I think we should play that war rather than just hear about the result. That method was great in Skyrim but I wouldn't want to miss out twice.
Derick Copp so more battles between Dipshit Dominion and the Empire like sieges of cities
Lol how stupid are you... its pronounced saber stepmom
I found a wonderful comment on a civil war video some time ago, and I think it fits perfectly here
Ulfric is High King by right. Now before I continue, let me just say - I'm just stating facts. Facts that you can't ignore regardless of your personal opinion of Ulfric or the Stormcloaks. So let's begin; in the ancient times, Nordic custom was that one man can challenge another to an honourable duel. If both men agreed, they can meet up and fight. The first to give up or die was declared the loser, and the winner was given whatever they were duelling over. "But Ulfric walked in and killed him" This is completely false. In game dialogue does prove that Ulfric challenged Torygg to an honourable duel, which Torygg accepted. "Torygg had to accept, he didn't have a choice" Yes he did. As any man has the right to challenge someone to an honourable
due, any man also had the right to refuse a challenge, "Torygg would of looked like a coward if he rejected" Doesn't matter, he still accepted. He just put his pride over his life. "Using the thu'um was cheating" This is bullshit. At the time these customs took effect, using the thu'um was not only allowed, it was praised. Even a basic shout like 'Fus Ro Dah', takes years of meditation and dedication to be able to perform. Using the thu'um was just using what you know, and it served as a testament to your dedication and strength. "Torygg didn't know Ulfric had the thu'um" Complete fabrication. Not only is it common knowledge that Ulfric studied with the greybeards. Ulfric is a well-known war hero. And it's well known he used the thu'um in the war. If Torygg didn't know, that's his fault. "The Empire does not recognize this law" There are no records of the Empire changing this law. I could understand why they wouldn't give Ulfric the throne, but charging him with murder while they watched Ulfric duel and kill Torygg is just ridiculous. "This custom affects the smallest things, and no the throne" False. Jorunn the Skald-Kind challenged his brother to the throne, and got it when he won the duel. Now: "The rebellion is stupid, because it divided the Empire, and Skyrim will fall to the Thalmor. With the Empire in control, they have a chance to resume war with the Thalmor. Not to mention Ulfric is a racist" I'm getting tired of healing this. But especially the "Ulfric's a racist" thing. First of all, just to get it out of the way, I'm pretty sure true Nords would rather go down fighting the Thalmor than living under their rule. Second, "they have a chance to resume the war." The war shouldn't have stopped in the first place. The Empire was
winning, and they just surrendered. Joanna's battered legions. In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed, The Emperor's decision to withdraw from the Imperial City 4e 174 was bloodily vindicated. So even if the Stormcloaks were to lose, it's more than the Empire would do. "But Tullius said they are going to fight the Dominion?" Well, Tullius doesn't run the entire Empire, does he? Now onto the racism. Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are not racist. That's a very big accusation. If you think Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are racist, you have not been paying attention. You need to open up your mind on this a bit. There are only two real racists in Windhelm, Rolff and Angrenor, who were first seen bullying a Dunmer woman when you first enter the city. Other than them, what makes Stormcloaks any more racist than anyone else? And seeing people immediately changing factions just because of these two fuckers makes me cringe. So I really need to get this off my mind. First of all, if Ulfric truly was a racist, then why would he let Altmer and Imperials live nice lives within his city and lands? If he really was racist, you would think he would be treating the Altmer (Race of which the Aldmeri Dominion is centred around and consists mainly of) and the Imperials (Race of which the Imperial Legion is centred around and consists mainly of) worse than the Dunmer and Argonians. But there are Altmer and Imperials living wonderful lives within his city (For example: Niranye and Viola). This is because, unlike the Dunmer in the Grey Quarter, they actually contribute (I'll touch on that as this goes on). Speaking of the Dunmer, many Imperials also like to use them being in the Grey Quarter to further their argument. But have you not noticed Belyn Hlaalu? He's a Dunmer who lives a nice life on a nice farm on Ulfric's land. If he wanted to, Ulfric could take that farm from Belyn with a snap of his fingers. Belyn contributes to the Stormcloak cause in Windhelm. This is proved when he says "The only way to win the Nord's respect is through hard work." Indicating that he is working for the Nords who occupy Windhelm, aka the Stormcloaks. He also says "Too many Dunmer complain about the way we're treated. What good does complaining do?" I agree. I don't see those Dunmer in the Grey Quarter doing anything to help out, if they did, they would be living a life similar to that of Mr. Hlaalu. He helps out the Stormcloaks, so he gets to live a nice life. Have you also considered that Ulfric is a bit busy with a war and then preparing for a bigger war to spend a large amount of money on renovating a quarter of a city filled with people who don't even contribute? Now moving onto the Argonians. You also see people condemn Ulfric for keeping the Argonians out of Windhelm. But last time I checked, Brunwulf Free-Winter (Whom becomes Jarl should the Legion win) also keeps them out and his reasoning is that "they must remain outside for their own safety". Have you not considered that maybe that's why Ulfric keeps them out? It appears not. Nothing changes for the Argonians when the Imperials take over. Does that make the Imperials racist as well? Ulfric respects anyone who supports the Stormcloak cause, regardless of race. Also, let's not forget the fact that Nords are a naturally proud race, but that doesn't make them racist. And finally, to the people who read the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak and immediately assume he's a spy. So many people read that and don't understand what it is saying. They call him an asset because his actions are inadvertently helping the Thalmor. They captured him and tortured him for info during the last war. Then they let him escape so that he could stir up trouble with his unrest over the Talos banDoes no one read the "uncooperative" part? It means he's not trying to help them. His actions just happen to benefit the Thalmor since a civil war gives them time to gain strength and take over at a later date. But if the Stormcloaks win it will still be bad for the Thalmor. The dossier says as much. People who say Ulfric is a spy really don't understand the context of that report. I hope this helped to enlighten whoever read it at least a little.
Skullcrusher430 You state a really good point, as someone who made his first character an Argonian it seemed pretty racist to keep them outside, but it is not like they had a lot of empty houses perfect to fit people inside and the grey quarter its still a place where they can live, there are only two racist men against them but it is not like the guards themselves or other people are racist on the other hand on whiterun that has jarl Balgruf(I think I mispelled it) who is mainly imperial has khajit outside completely forbidden from living anywhere on the hold. I know other holds do the same but if you see the comparison the only race that is truly affected by racism its the khajit cause the argonians can live and work in windhelm aswell as the dunmer but not the khajit so they are not racist and the only race that the stormcloaks are racist against is the same race that the very empire is ALSO racist against, I dont recall an argonian or dunmer outside of the companions living in whiterun or solitude there is only the bandit-like argonian and the wabbajack crazy dunmer windhelm and its "racist" jarl actually houses more races equally.
What is more racist giving jobs and homes to the people or strait up deny entry or residence?
Skullcrusher430 Beautifully put, honestly was a good read. Sadly the Empire fan boys will discredit this and continue to believe in there false "Empire".
Thijs Tharn
Actually, yes
this doesn't explain what the Stormcloaks would do afterwards though which is a huge deal. The biggest problem is what would happen if X side won. Stormcloaks have no allies from other provinces. They would lose imported goods and would be forced to become self sufficient. Losing good they like as well as being forced to become farmers just to survive would make the stormclaoks lose support of much of the people. They have zero chance of invading to stop the dominion simply because they lack the resources. They would only be able to defend their borders at the best, wasting many resources that would be scarce from trying to be self sufficient. That means if the Aldmeri just toss enough to keep them occupied then they could play the waiting game and steam roll them once they build up more forces. Perhaps their most glaring weakness is that it is built around Ulfirc to much. If he were to die it's extremly likely a power struggle would commerce or Stormcloaks would slowly weaken until collapse.
The empire one the other hand is self sufficient. It is very likely that it will be allies with hammerfell due to a legion being there and helping the redguards beat the aldmeri. It would have the remaining military force of skyrim and eith strong allies the neutral Bretons would likely join them as well. Not counting the Bretons, the empire would have a decent chance of defeating the weakened Aldmeri with such a rapid build up of forces and resoruces. With the Bretons it's almost 100% guaranteed they would win
Thijs Tharn
-_-
Why Ulfric Is Right
1: The Thalmor banned a form of religion just because they don't see Talos as a God. Imagine if some other religion took over your land and banned your religion.
2: Ulfric IS the true high king. Let me explain, Ulfric challenged the former high king to a battle, something that is completely legal, Ulfric won and by nord code Ulfric is the true high king.
3: Ulfric is a strong warrior and capable of surviving a possible Thalmor invasion if one were to happen. People in the games even talk about how good of a strategist he was. Also, whoever the Dragonborn sides with would beat the Thalmor because of his power, so no, the Stormcloaks would indeed beat the Thalmor if the Dragonborn would help.
4: He cares deeply for the people of Skyrim. He killed the high king so that the empire would take his cause seriously. And read this line that he says
"I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil! I fight for their wives and children, whose names I heard whispered in their last breath. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing! I fight... because I must."
―Ulfric Stormcloak
That doesn't sound like a greedy, power hungry man. It sounds like a noble hero.
King Reikon damn rigjt
It sounds like someone playing an act
King Reikon wrong the only thing he cared about was being king. It's all an act
nope, stormcloak actually, just because i call my leader out on his political strategy doesn't mean i wont fight for freedom, guys playing an act to rally support, the talos thing isnt even that big but ulfrics using it to get to be high king
@@memzo947 can we please respect each others opinions?
Stormcloaks win, Emperor recognize Skyrim as independent, and Ulfric and Galmar Stone-Fist start chatting up Hammerfell about bringing some thicc curved swords along when they set out to kick some damned elven ass.
YEP, hell hammerfell is already half way there, they have a few troops in town, enogh to kill a whole thalmor army, hahahahahha!!!!!
Honestly put highrock on that good shit too bruh like the bretons definitely hate the thalmor too and also put blackmarsh on that good shit because they took away morrowind from the dark elves they literally own it and they are independent im pretty sure and like cmon ik argonions hate elves but the bosmer they pre chill
huh sounds like fanfic to me. The stormcloaks will lose I dont see how they stand a chance against the empire what more the Thalmor. And no Skyrim and Hammerfell are not "friends" sorry they don't owe each other anything. You're dismissing the fact that even if they somehow become independent, the Thalmor will see this as an opportunity and IMMEDIATELY take the weakened Skyrim for themselves, like taking candy from a baby.
James Mccloud sounds very close minded to me, just watch more videos on Stormcloaks and not biased ones that are against them and then put 2 and 2 together because im not about to argue about this stuff anymore, the arguments just get toxic and becomes biased
@@jamesmccloud7535 I didn't dismiss anything. If the Dominion were to attempt an invasion on Skyrim, they would need to march their forces there. Skyrim is the northernmost province of Tamriel, only accessible through mountain passes in their bordering regions. The Dominion would have to go to war with at least another nation in order to even get there. Geography matters in war.
I never claimed anyone to be 'friends'. Skyrim and Hammerfell used to both be Imperial provinces, they're both nations of men with a long history of conflict with elves, and they both recently fought in a war together and suffered unjust treatment in the aftermath. They have more than enough reasons in common to ally against an enemy they've already allied against.
One thing you didn't mention in regards to the Thalmor trying to invade Skyrim is that its a logistical nightmare. They don't share any border with Skyrim and even if they did its one of the furtherst point from their core territory. So trying to supply their army would be near impossible. Once they enter the country they are faced with small roads, large forests and hundreds of hills and mountains. Terrain that massively favours defenders, especially since they have the home field advantage of knowing the terrain. The Nords are in an excellent position to use their terrain advantage to set up ambushes, and they've already proven their prowess with guerilla warfare.
Also the Almeri Dominion's soldiers would come from the Summerset Isles, Valenwood and Elsweyr; All hot climates. The soldiers would freeze to death and their combat ability would suffer as they aren't acclimatised.
xEl Gringo Loco I don't know if the Dominion has a navy but that could be effective. Though the Sea of Ghosts would probably claim many ships and lives.
xEl Gringo Loco The Thalmor can go through cyrodil you know
Yung Venuz God of guns
Yeah but that means the have to travel through Cyrodil, which means feeding their army for the entire march. Which means less supplies when they actually enter Skyrim and they wont be able to resupply once in Skyrim because of the distance.
xEl Gringo Loco The Thalmor are not retarded. They need the Aldmeri Dominion united if they want any power over Skyrim. The WG Concordat allows more resources for expansion in a region that will not bow to the Aldmeri Dominion.
Regardless, it doesn't matter. Skyrim will never bow to the Thalmor/Aldmeri. It'll always end in bloodshed. However, if the Dwemer were to return...
I want to side with the stormcloaks but I love Jarl Balgruf.
Yeah thats the biggest conflict for me, joining the stormcloaks sounds better to me but balgruuf was always a favourite npc
Riverwood and whiterun
most players started the game in this places(Both under whiterun).
If you are sided with stormcloaks, you need to invade them. It seems that you invade your homeland
He made his choice. Too bad it's the wrong one
@@Tuturial464he's a great man, and great men make great decisions, and great mistakes
lets not get into maven and sidgeir. thats a really corrupted government by itself
ALL HAIL TO ULFRIC YOU ARE THE HIGH KING, IN HIS GREAT HONOR WE DANCE AND WE SING, WE'RE THE CHILDREN OF SKYRIM AND WE FIGHT ALL OUR LIVES AND WHEN SOVENGARD BECKONS, EVERYONE OF US DIE, WE ARE THE TRUE SONS OF SKYRIM, DEATH TO THE IMPERIAL DOGS, SCALEBACKS AND ELVES
DOWN WITH ULFRIC, THE KILLER OF KINGS, ON THE DAY OF YOUR DEATH WE WILL DRINK WAND WE'LL SING.
wand we'll sing? Was someone drinking BEFORE showing up?
Raving Nutter GOOD SHOW LAD
I join the stormcloaks because i want an indepandant skyrim, Not because i support ulfric. Ulfric is over 50 years old, which is pretty damn old in skyrim. He will likely die within 10-20 years anyways, and has no heir. After Ulfric dies the next high-king will be appointed by the moot, And id wager that Elisif would become high-queen since she is a good speaker and has her heart with the people.
Lazor but there wont be a independent skyrim because most likely skyrim will either be retaken by the empire or conquered by the aldmeri dominion because the civil war weakend the empire the only good outcome would be to stay with the empire
Skyrim is actual a great place to hold off forgiven invaders
All the land borders are protected by mountain range
And though you can access the northern part by sea, you would have to deal with ice and giant rocks jutting out of the water.
Personally though, I believe the fact that the dragonborn siding with the Stormcloaks alone would decimate the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion, by the end of the game the dragonborn has slain countless dragons, learned the way of the voice, countless spells, and has weapons given to him/her by daedra (not to mention having at least 3 dragons friendly towards him/her) the thalmor would have a fun time fighting at least two dragons and the dragonborn alone nevermind the stormcloak army and Ulfric himself who knows the way of the voice from the Greybeards.
Edit: One of those dragons is also undead (Durnehvirr)
who would win a group of racist elves or one dragonboi
Jayz grouse they would be screwed if he/she joined the empire as well. They're f*cked either way lmao
Previous dragonborns have been said to be able to take out entire armies with a single shout and I think that says enough about how important the last dragonborn is to the power struggle in Tamriel.
Aldmeri dominion has warriors that are over 2000 years old.
Stupid dragonborn ended up in Hermeus Moras sevatude.
if he was that weak how could he possibly beat the dominion.
now, if it were the Hero Of Kvatch it would have been hell,
but that isnt the case. dragonborn is too weak. Altmers know
many, many spells that can match and even outperform all of those shouts
with their MYSTICISM. Only reason why talos won is because he used inhumane
machine such as Numidium, without it he would never step into areas
like Blackmarsh and Summerset Iseles. You may be able to recover hammerfell,
but better forget about entering the dominion or black marsh. SHouts are
nothign more then spells.
TIAN ending up in the servitude of Hermeas Mora was actually beneficial toward the Dragonborn instead of bad. It is likely that through studying ancient texts in Apocrypha the Dragonborn could learn spells and shouts powerful enough to match and surpass the powers of the Numidium, thus making him strong enough to take on the Aldmeri Dominion.
The red guard kicked the dominions ass, the empire is weak to fall to them.
Sonny Lummes The Empire losing the War was a strategic decision, learn your lore mate.
The reason the Redguards' won was because they fought off a weakened Aldmeri Dominion.
The redguards won because the aldmeri probably fight whit a small army
Hammerfell is basically the Vietnam of Tamriel. You don't fight a war against its people, in their country and on their terms, and win.
Sonny Lummes The dominion isn't getting their asses kicked in Hammerfell it's currently a stalemate.
Considering how ridiculously overpowered the Dragonborn is towards the end of the game, and that they'd presumably back whichever faction they chose in the war, I think the elves have plenty to worry about.
petargrad and you know that how? Is that why he continues to save solstiem and skyrim further? (Thats what is thought)
Also it may be possible after the main quest line that the Dragonborn may be able to get the dragons to help against the Aldmeri Dominion. The Dragonborn defeaedt the World Eater. So it is not like you are not feared/respected by at least some dragons. Add the Thu'um. I think the Aldmeri Dominion would be fools to try and start up a second war while the Dragonborn is still alive.
I think you confuse game mechanics and gameplay with actual lore
Is Hearthfire canon?
heroes disappear at the end of every game, think about how well off stormcloaks are without an overpowered dragonborn:they lose
Imagine elder scrolls 6 being like "Yeah, Skyrim controls everything now."
nah highly unlikely es6 will be the second great war. Empire Vs Thalmor
James Mccloud Actually, it’s possible. Apparently the game is set six years after the events of Skyrim, it’s been on a couple trustworthy leaks.
@@AGwest1 yeah sure everything is possible - Michael Kirkbride
You can make anything your headcanon and completely dismiss anything that contradicts that. Though that might be true in the CODA concept but that doesn't apply to the games. Bethesda will have to decide how the story goes on after Skyrim and I don't see Skyrim conquering anything. In es6 there is a high chance it will still be the empire v.s thalmor whether stormcloak sympathizers like it or not.
Actually there is a hidden note in the game that can only be unlocked that many people don't know about that "kinda" tells how the civil war will turn out. It can only be unlocked if you joined the stormcloaks and defeated the "small" legion in Skyrim. I don't have time to explain the details about it so I recommend just watching this video and tell me your thoughts...
ruclips.net/video/7x8sRkr4Bso/видео.html
James Mccloud I think I misread your first comment. I thought you were saying that there wasn’t gonna be a Second Great War. I prefer the Empire over Stormcloaks, just to clarify. I also don’t see Skyrim conquering anything. In my comment, I was inferring that because it’s only six years after Skyrim there could definitely be another Great War.
@@AGwest1 oh ok, did you watch the video I linked? cause be4 watching that I didn't know a note like that existed all these years. You should definitely give it a watch, it's really interesting it can only be unlocked if you joined the stormcloaks. Which is Bethesda's way of saying it doesn't matter who you side with, the Empire still wins regardless. It didn't really surprise me though, I recommend you watch it in case you didn't know about it.
when i play as a high elf i help the storm cloaks because i want to shatter the empire.
divide and conquer.
the British did that with africa and the middle east.
Worked wonderfully
LazyCatGaming Not necessarily. While Skyrim is in the Empire, the elves are able to kill Talos worshippers and key opposition targets at will. When the Empire is booted out, Skyrim will finally be able to legally defend itself from the Thalmor. Not to mention, if Hammerfell was able to beat back the Dominion, Skyrim can too.
maybe. but maybe the thalmor are arrogant and think skyrim is weak and they can just invade them. its totally possible objectively that nords beat them back but im just dping a little roleplaying so im assumong the thalmor are manipulative and arrogant.
they may plan to beat down Skyrim after they beat the empire and show other races that you can win against the empire but never stand against the thalmor.
maybe. but maybe the thalmor are arrogant and think skyrim is weak and they can just invade them. its totally possible objectively that nords beat them back but im just dping a little roleplaying so im assumong the thalmor are manipulative and arrogant.
they may plan to beat down Skyrim after they beat the empire and show other races that you can win against the empire but never stand against the thalmor.
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+Mark Diaz fool
it depends where the Dragonborn sides with. Imagine Stormcloak army allied with The Dragons.
Imagine Ulfric as dragonborn for having a shout
@@TheLatiosnlatias02 he isn’t dragonborn
The Thalmor and their extreme racisim and extreme superiority complex over men reminds me of the Aylieds and how they viewed men. The Aylieds treated men like beast races. I believe the Thalmor leadership are not who they claim to be. I reckon remnants of the Aylieds "Heartland High Elves" have infiltrated higher Altmer society. It says in the lore the Aylieds melted into the wilderness and societies of the Bosmer and Altmer following their Empire's collapse to Alessia and Pelinal. What if the Aylieds are pulling the strings from the shadow. Their hatred need for vengence over men.
You and I have same set of mind. I felt like they're views were almost parallel, and raised the idea "what if they're fate will be shared". Aylied's treating men live slaves, abused them, treating them like lesser citizens and felt they were superior in every way. In the end, the races of men rose up and look at the results. If I recall the last "pure blooded" Aylied's died out before the 3rd era (I could be wrong because I am not that familiar with history before the 3rd era), they're culture, they're people, gone with nothing left but stories and ruins. You could even argue the fate of the snow elfs as well. They're quest for power (What lies beneath Saarthal) led them to conflict with early nords and eventually they're last stand and slaughter by the early nords. The difference between the Aylied and Snow Elf people is where they are now. The Falmer are blind (with future generations could recover from this), underground, a burning hate for surface dwellers, and no real sense of who they once were remaining that we know of.In the end, one has to ponder if the High Elfs went down the same road as the Aylieds, would it mean the same fate of mankind rising up and destroying another once great culture?
Paul Grattan That'd be interesting
That is a really good observation and it would make for some really interesting storytelling. I had a couple thoughts in this general direction, but nothing so perceptive.
All elven races except bosmer seem to believe they are superior to humans, they were immortal once after all
The Empire demonstrated that they no longer have the best interests of Skyrim in mind. Regardless of whether that's out of weakness or malice, the Empire is clearly on the road to falling apart and it's only right for the Nords to get off the train before it crashes.
That has to be the most braindead line or arguing I've yet to see.
Can you not look further than your nose is long?
@@dutchpatriot17 I hope your views have shifted after two years because goddamn this has got to be the most ignorant thing I’VE read
@@Ithinkso11 Nope, because what I said remains correct. Not my fault that you don't know the lore.
@@dutchpatriot17 You are an absolute prick bro. Two years and you’re still acting this way? I hope you’re at most 15 because you need to grow up dude
@@Ithinkso11 Look at who's talking.
Have u not heard of Ulfric being controlled by the Thalmor to weaken the Empire so the Thalmor can invade and take Skyrim????? Because when I heard that I went from a stormcloak character to an Imperial
he was not being controled it was more like manipulation.
and also in the same dossier they said that stormcloak victory was also to be avoided because it would make skyrim much harder to invade or something
Tage Sylvan ?
No, it said a Stormloak victory was to be avoided since humanity becomes weaker each day the Civil War keeps going.
juanjoseph yes and if the war ends the opposite is true
If you were to ac actually read it you would know that they were pretty much trying to start the civil war and in order to do so needed the Nords to be pissed (hence the banning of Talos) and a leader to be driven and inspirational enough to start the war, ulfric was the perfect choice. The most the thalmor did to his mind was convincing him that he was the reason the empire lost.
Any information regarding the aftermath is irrelevant. Ulfric Stormcloak won in a duel, it was completely fair. You never hear an Empire supporter clearly object to that.
Yeah, a "fair duel" using the Thu'um to knock him down before stabbing him....
In a "fair" duel you don't kill the opponent, you best him and banish him. Ulfric broke the rules and murdered the high king, simple as that.
"fair" is relative, and ignores a lot of info. Ulfrics motives are shady at best. Even if you call the duel "legitimate" the purpose of the duel and the reason why it was implemented in the first place is far from what Ulfric did. After all, Ulfric supported Torygg at the moot. Ulfric knew that Torygg would have declared independence if he simply asked him to. Torygg died knowing that he kept his honor, but questions that same standing for Ulfric, a man he once loved and respected.
I'm not saying that there is a clear correct answer. I'm saying anyone trying to simplify the story to something so one dimensional is probably missing a big part of the picture.
The fairness of the duel is Irrelevant in in the grand scheme of things and arguments like this questioning the fairness of the duel is just tiptoeing around the real issues.
Blaming Ulfric for using thu'um is like blaming an archer for being precise with his bow or a swordsman for being better with his sword. Archer practiced how to use the bow, swordsman practiced how to use his sword, Ulfric practiced how to use his thu'um, he dedicated years to training it. Besides, it's not like ulfric wouldn't win with just his sword (he did finish him off with it), thu'um was a demonstration and a claim to nord heritage. Besides torygg could have refused the duel but he didn't, he knew he will die, it's like blaming a noob for accepting a challenge from a pro and being mab at losing.
this is a game right?? I think elder scrolls series could be made into movies or books.
God no. Leave the lore to the games, not to some shitty Hollywood adaption or novelization.
Netflix adaptation:
make balgruf a stong obese woman
The dragonborn is a handicapped transgendered dragon furry shouting opinions and cant do anything wrong because its a minority
Ulrik stormcloack is a black obese woman shouting opinions and the stormcloack army is black nords and elves
The empire is white nords imperials etc
Dragons are internet trolls
Alduin is facts
Miraak is a black man shouting facts
Dawnguards are feminists fighting internet trolls trying to block out the sun
Well you get my point and joke at this pointy point
There were books written based off the elder scrolls lore but they are not necessarily cannon to the games. Though, the authors were given permission by the elder scrolls creators to use the lore. They are kinda semi-cannon to the games as far as I know.
@@Wanderer635 bro I laughed way too hard at this. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they do that.
People here seem to forget about HBO. Netflix isn't the only streaming service guys
Its TIE-BURR Septim
Dude went tibber like wHt 😂😂😂
Sounds like a pet cat or something
I always pick the Stormcloaks every play through, even as a High Elf. The Empire did the one thing, that an empire should never do. Outlaw the praise of its founder and hero. I think the Roman Empire did the same thing with Julius Caesar, and look what eventually happened to them.
Imagine what would happen if the Federal Government banned the worship of Jesus Christ, under the order of some foreign country.
Americans everywhere would be taking up arms against the government. Outlawing the first right of the First Amendment, Freedom of Religion.
The empire is falling apart in Tameriel, just like all empires. It's time for a new kind of leadership in Tameriel. Free from the tyranny of the Aldmerie Dominion.
With the Dragonborn on their side, the Thalmor or the Imperial Legion don't stand a chance against the Stormcloaks. Plus if you refuse to kill Paarthurnaxx, but kill any of the remaining troublesome dragons. It seems likely that a united dragon kind under the leadership of the Dragonborn is possible. With Paarthurnaxx as second in command. The dragons could very easily prove to be very powerful allies against the Aldmerie Dominion.
James Roper i honestly never thought of it that way like ive always been a stormcloak myself but I always thought that if you kill paarthurnax and build the blades again it would be like a second army of very skilled warriors. Basically the same idea as yours but with the blades
The problem with this comment is that you act like the Empire & the Dominion are both allies, which couldn't be further from the truth. Tullius states in-game that the Empire is rebuilding its numbers for another Great War with the Aldmeri Dominion. You know all the Stormcloaks do? Slow down the Empire from rebuilding itself for another chance against the Dominion. And the picture is a lot bigger than "HuRr DurR, TalOs WorShIp iS BanNed"; the Thalmor are looking to destroy the races of men by decimating The Towers (which literally hold Mundus intact), and raising themselves to godhood in the process. Stopping mass genocide is much more important than Talos worship.
Mathew C. This is where i think you don’t understand, the dominion go wherever the empire goes and they send spys on the empire and literally piggy back ride them, if you watch fudgemuppet they explain it but also not worshipping talos is bad because when a divine looses its worshippers the divine weakens and weakens till they die and are erased from history so the thalmor are literally trying to end one of the divines. Sorry about that i usually skip ahead when I comment cause I generally think people actually watch videos on this kinda stuff
@@drasticmeasures4136 - really? Well, I'll look for their video on that later. Thanks!
Mathew C. Well its not a specific video but if you watch the secret plan of the thalmor video, you’ll see what i mean
honestly my skyrim character is strong enough to destroy the aldmeri dominion
Same console and Tgm my friend, console and tgm
My character has their own kingdom is married to Miraak and has 3 dragonborns living in their house and has a full army of full ebony armor and has bend will and dragon aspect etc not only that I can summon mother fuckin alduin so ya no one is beating my character plus they have a ring of immortality so they can forever rule and bring peace
@@Daan-Dovah 😂
One thing the game omits is what is the outcome of Skyrim's political climate if you kill the emperor titus meade in the dark brotherhood quest line?
Phanbot01 that's a heavy issue with skyrim and a bit in oblivion as in both games they don't change the world (much) after your quests/actions and it's a reason why a lot of people enjoy morrowind because most decisions and accomplishments (such as saving everyone's asses) was recognized by random npcs. Making it feel like what you did had an effect in the game's world
I was kind of mad about that because Motierre tells you that you've done the empire good service by killing Titus but you never know in what way
Nothing happens, he wasn't a chicken.
I actually have a theory that Amaund Motierre was acting on behalf of the Elder Council to rid the Empire of the Mede dynasty. If you do any in depth reading of the lore you know that Titus Mede I took control of the Empire by force, he wasn't selected by the Elder Council to rule. They see the Mede's for the disaster they are and seek to install a new, more capable Emperor.
Side quests are not canon I think.
I want to try an empire play through but I can't bring myself to do it.
Easy think of ulfric has if he were hitler
Funny. I can never bring myself to a Stormcloak play through.
@@jacrispy3275 True the stormcloaks are so blinded by their own sentiment that they can't see the bigger picture the empire has.
I keep trying to do a stormcloak play through but I can’t do it
@@pyjamadan9848 I say still do it. Isn't that what roleplaying is about? I myself might be more inclined to the empire but the character that I made hates the empire and is a die-hard stormcloak. You assume the role of your character and see the world in his eyes. He might be a nord barbarian that fought in the great war but felt betrayed when the empire signed the treaty and gave up Talos. He didn't want to live in a Skyrim where the Thalmor are roaming since he felt disgusted by it and so he went to hammerfell temporarily. Now hearing there's a rebellion he chose to come back and considers Ulfric a hero and is right in his conquest to make Skyrim independent. He comes back and joins the Stormcloak and etc etc. It's fun to see different perspectives and play different characters that have their own unique experiences and values. So I say still play it for the roleplaying potential and story.
I like the storm cloaks BUT I like ulfric's coat soooo you know
+cillrend
Check out the Stormlord armor mod. Clothes fit for a true high king.
cillrend but... his armor has no full set model for female model
cillrend just pick pocket man
Can't you pickpocket it?
*PICKPOCKET 100*
The stormcloak victory is badass i love how ulfric shouted everyone in solitude
Thought of a good quote, might as well share it.
"In war, amateurs talk tactics, trained talk strategies, professionals talk supplies."
In the universe of Elder scrolls, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the dominion to start and maintain an open war with an independent Skyrim.
And here is why.
First, invade skyrim by land is simply not an option, unless the dominion is also at war with Hammerfell, the empire, most likely both. Even assuming the dominion is at war with only one of those powers, a large portion of its troops still cannot be deployed to the battlefield due to the threat of another neutral power. Unless the dominion develops a way to transport, supply, and care for its troops deep in hostile territories, strategically speaking the dominion doesn't even have a chance against Hammerfell alone due to its unforgiving terrain, let alone reaching and fighting in skyrim.
So the second option is the attack with a naval invasion, and honestly it's even worse than attack on land.
The only one port suitable for a LARGE SCALE invasion and maintain as a supply distribution center is solitude. And it's near impossible for the dominion to maintain a supply line reaching all the way from the southeast corner of the world, travel through hostile waters( hammerfell water and high rock imperial water) and reach solitude in time to supply and rotate its troops.
Yes I do realize there are other beachheads that can be used as landing zone, some of them do have villages nearby, but they are not suitable for a large force to use it as a forward base, and here's why.
1, most of these beaches are located near shallow waters, large ships used by the dominion to transport all the way over would not be able to sail into port.
2, if we use the in game calendar, frozen water surface are presented in most of these locations year round, not ideal for troops made up of mostly southern elves and other races.
3, most if not all of them are not near major transportation routes, meaning the dominion needs to literally dig a new highway for the supplies to reach its front line troops. At first glance this is not a problem, however if that's the case, the majority portion of its invading forces would be consisted of rear echelon troops, engineers, workers and none frontline troops. This was exactly the problem the German army faces in WW2, almost half of its invading force during operation Barbarossa were made up of rear echelon troops, consequently they suffered greatly to local resistances, lack of efficiency when it comes to resupplying its combat troops. If that was a case for a near fully mechanized army, just imagine what a disaster would be for an army with medieval resupplying and mobility tech.
It is also worth mentioning, skyrim's terrain somewhat closely resembles a modern day shithole on earth called Afghanistan, but much colder all year round, unforgiving. Skyrim's people are even more committed to their cause than the extremists the NATO faces today.
Conclusion to my late night comment, in war it's not always the one with bigger muscles wins. Skyrim's independent opens an opportunity for its new political alliance with Hanmerfell, an isolated resisting force that desperately needs a new comrade in arms.
Plus the dragonborn, you know.
I imagine it would be like trying to invade Russia in the middle of a blizzard
Trenton Quinn You imagine right. Skyrim by land and sea are practically impossible with a large attack force. Unless...
Say that the Stormcloacks won, and we (dragonborn) killed Tullius. I doubt we would stop there, as there are many camps, and thalmor. So I may see that one way of reaching Skyrim is by accessing Cyrrodil. Because we rebelled, the Empire is now our enemy, and the Thalmor would use that as an asset. If it was up to me, I would definitely use the concordant to get military access, and send a large force to, officially, quench the rebellion. But as we know, alliances can be made, truces as well. Skyrim should make an alliance with highrock and hammerfell.
Eugene Ye ummm the summerset isles are in the southwest not southeast
darklord_silver still a drastically different climate
Andyr Rafael the only problem with that idea is that the Empire don't like the Thalmor and in fact the only reason they accepted the peace treaty is because they wanted to declare war again once they've rebuild their civilization. Should Skyrim gain her independence and then declare war on the Thalmor with let's say the assistance of hammerfell and possibly High Rock there is no possible scenario in which the Empire hold such a grudge that they would not at the very least be neutral in the conflict and at the most Ally with Skyrim and hammerfell. Just remember the Empire doesn't actually like the Thalmor so the odds that they would Ally with them is slim to none
I feel as though many people say "if the Stormcloaks win the empire will be divided and will fall easily" without truly understanding that the Stormcloaks, provided with freedom, would support the empire. All the Stormcloaks want is the option to make their own decisions. The Stormcloaks would side with the empire and Hammerfell, effectively leading to a new empire.
Given a year or two they would have organized enough to wage a devastating guerrilla war. Hammerfell and Skyrim are extreme climates with citizens who are experts in guerrilla warfare and know the land. The Thalmor don't know the land, are not adjusted to the land, and are less skilled in guerrilla warfare when compared to Nords and redguards. We are essentially looking at Russia vs Napoleon or Hitler and America vs the Middle East; the resources expended by the Dominion would drain them to the brink of defeat. Allowing an organized assault to end the war.
Please criticize my opinion as I would love to see all sides to this argument.
Are you writing a fanfic? What you said is pure fanfic and would NEVER happen.
HumanOfPrey If you have a more likely theory I would love to hear it. I'm honestly quite bored right now so I'd love to have a petty argument that will amount to nothing.
No, because the hate the Empire. Ulfric hates the Empire and they all do. So they wouldnt help.
@Rick O'Shay Why would he bother with a ''counterargument'' when OP"s post isn't even using facts or logic?
@Rick O'Shay Allow me to show you how his theory doesn't use logic:
*the Stormcloaks, provided with freedom, would support the empire. All the Stormcloaks want is the option to make their own decisions. The Stormcloaks would side with the empire and Hammerfell, effectively leading to a new empire.*
This is fake. The Stormcloaks yell ''A Pox on the Empire!'', ''Death to the Empire!'' and other such battlecries throughout the entire game. They do not wish to see Skyrim independent, they wish to tsee the Empire fall. The Stormcloaks do not seek to work with the Redguards or the Empire, they seek to create their own invasion on Summerset, both Ulfric and Galmar state as much.
*Given a year or two they would have organized enough to wage a devastating guerrilla war. Hammerfell and Skyrim are extreme climates with citizens who are experts in guerrilla warfare and know the land. The Thalmor don't know the land, are not adjusted to the land, and are less skilled in guerrilla warfare when compared to Nords and redguards.*
This is, again, utter nonsense. Skyrim following the Civil War is broke, its coffers are empty and under Stormcloak rule, its trade lanes would be extremely limited. The Stormcloak army is also extremely weak, and there's absolutely nothing to even suggest they'd be good at any sort of guerilla warfare. Not even the Redguards are said to be experts at guerrilla warfare; OP is speculating without anything to back it up. The Thalmor know Skyrim, they know how its climate is, and have far more skilled soldiers than either the Redguards or Nords... Aside from that, the Thalmor also have battlemages, something both the Nords and Redguards shun.
*We are essentially looking at Russia vs Napoleon or Hitler and America vs the Middle East; the resources expended by the Dominion would drain them to the brink of defeat. Allowing an organized assault to end the war.*
Comparing Russia to Skyrim is the biggest fault that exists. Not only is Skyrim nowhere near as large as Russia, it's also nowhere near as strong. Every time Skyrim has been invaded, the Nords failed to push back the invading force, how come? Because the Nords are bad at warfare. The Dominion's resources are grand, especially compared to Skyrim post-civil war.
I love Stormcloaks, but also I love Jarl Ballin' :D
Same here, but in addition Brunwulf Free Winter
He's the lord of the rings, he's the jarl of whiterun
For God's sake when is this utter 'Ulfric is a Thalmor SPY' bullcrap going to end? The dossier says he's an 'uncooperative asset'. For anyone above the age of 6 this clearly means he does not serve the Thalmor as a vassal but his actions indirectly benefit them in one way. As is inevitable seeing as they're more powerful than the Empire and the Stormcloaks on paper.
Also, Ulfric isn't racist. He's a Nord nationalist which is to be expected since he's in the middle of a freaking war for the Nords and he quite possibly is suspicious toward non Nords on a personal level but that becomes irrelevant; there's a rich High Elf lady in Windhelm who comments on how a little work earned her a good place as a merchant there. There's also a Dark Elf who owns a farm and even comments on how the Dark Elves of Gray Quarter complain too much instead of doing anything; that the authority expects support from its citizens during a war effort is common sense. Also, the Gray Quarter Elves steal stuff and have Imperial Armour stashed in that inn/house of theirs. Kek. As for Argonians not being allowed inside Windhelm, Ulfric didn't make that rule, someone long ago did. Khajiit, yeah skooma thing.
The only way you could've made such a comment is by literally not reading a word I said. I'm just going to copy paste to shred this 'he is racist' propaganda (keeps elves belonging to the enemy race inside his city = 'wants to kick all elves out of Skyrim' lol talk about making things up) :
'He's a Nord nationalist which is to be expected since he's in the middle of a freaking war for the Nords and he quite possibly is suspicious toward non Nords on a personal level but that becomes irrelevant; there's a rich High Elf lady in Windhelm who comments on how a little work earned her a good place as a merchant there. There's also a Dark Elf who owns a farm and even comments on how the Dark Elves of Gray Quarter complain too much instead of doing anything; that the authority expects support from its citizens during a war effort is common sense. Also, the Gray Quarter Elves steal stuff and have Imperial Armour stashed in that inn/house of theirs. Kek. As for Argonians not being allowed inside Windhelm, Ulfric didn't make that rule, someone long ago did. Khajiit, yeah skooma thing.'
Tl;dr High Elves and Dark Elves can make it good in Windhelm if they WORK. Not sit around remarking on how they don't care about the city's affairs (the women murders, for example). The Argonian thing is part of lore; the previous holders of Windhelm did indeed ban them, even if an NPC says otherwise. Ulfric simply didn't lift the ban.
Guys he's a thalmor spy get him
AH A
The Ulfric is a spy for the Thalmor thing is literally the strongest point they have, yet it can be discredited easily.
It's been stated through and through, that a Stormcloak victory is to be avoided at all costs along with an Imperial victory. It's what they want, both sides to be distracted.
I still don't get why they say Ulfric is a Thalmor puppet. Is he a bigger puppet than the Empire already is to the Dominion? Hell no. Thalmor practically roam the streets of Skyrim prior to a Stormcloak win.
So to all to the people who say a Stormcloak victory is beneficial to the Thalmor, it's not. It's stated in the documents themselves.
And when you think about it, the Thalmor wouldn't want a whole group of angry Nords whom are threatening to invade their homeland to be able to rule a whole province, right?
No, they wouldn't. They want to control everything. The whole Empire.
Halmar Steel-Dick I bet most Imperial extremists haven’t even done the Stormcloak questline. They always say that Ulfric is an asshole because he is apparently racist. But they never even make the point that Ulfric straight up LIES to the Dragonborn once the Stormcloak side is completed. He said he’d become high king fairly, by letting the Jarls decide if he is worthy or not. But a conversation with Falk Firebeard states that they have no choice but to vote towards Ulfric for High King because his soldiers are garrisoned in all the holds.
AH A You ignored so many things I can't believe it. If your a khjeet he calls you "cat" which is rude. If your not a Nord he makes fun of you.
Ulfric : "am gonna build a wall along cyrodil and make the empire pay for it"
Legends don't construct buildings!
Ulfric:"And the Thalmor Invasion has been foiled. The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed but I ensure you my resolve has never been stronger. The remaining Thalmor will be hunted down and defeated. In Order to ensure stability , Skyrim will be reorganized into the first Nord Empire, for a safe and secure society."
@American As Fuck Trump was a great president.
Hell as long as the dragonborn lives and Ulfric can actually shout people apart they may have a chance at defending Skyrim. Heck i think with the both of them they could invade the summerset isles. Perhaps send a false force to The imperial capital very obviously as a distraction and send a force led by the Dragonborn and Ulfric into Summerset to crush the High elves and have them scatter hopefully not being able to regroup after losing that much.
I joined imperials because I can actually wear *full* armor instead of looking like a soldier from a French militia...
lol
why would you want to wear the faction armor as the dragonborn? go and wear your awesome dragonplate armor
Paul Liu ah or nightingale
Paul Liu I wear it for immersion purposes. If I'm running around with Stormcloaks or Imperials in Dragonbone or Daedric armor, I feel more like hired help rather than a soldier.
Shots fired
#Skrexit
Minarus Infernus XD yes
*Sexit
The only exit I support Something I can't say about two real life events, one that happened in Europe, the other almost did in my native US and is still talk about today.
Minarus Infernus YAS
Yaaassss
I side with the stormcloaks just to kill thalmor tbh...
I wish they eradicated Black briars, Thieves Guild, Blades and not to mention Battle born
I feel like in the Stormcloak ending, in the near future, it is likely a truce would be made between Skyrim and Hammerfell. Not an alliance per say, but rather an agreement, similar to an entente. It is also likely that in this situation, High Rock would soon join the Northern Entente (my made up name for this alliance). This entente would function somewhat similarly to the European Union, with a trade system and economic zone. While the Empire would see the NE as a possible rival and neighboring powerhouse, it would not attack, as it had seen the loss of Skyrim as a great loss of wealth and power, and would not go into war knowing it could lose more than gain. Therefore I believe a treaty would be made between the Empire and the NE, many years later culminating into a thriving trade system and friendship.
Oregano Just ignore the fact that Skye In and Hammerfell have always hated each other
They hate the thalmor more. You'd be surprised what a common enemy will do.
Major John Pitcairn the only problem with this is that if skyrim was conquered by the stormcloaks (yes conquered not liberated as skyrim is the birthplace of the empire) the empire would just send in the other legions to defeat the weakend rebels and the thalmor at this point would probably have already sent agents to plunge skyrim into a new civil war so your entente seems very improbable and not to mention the fact that if an entente was made between skyrim and hammerfall the thalmor would use all thier spies in hammerfall/skyrim to make sure the alliance crumbled
Major John Pitcairn sounds like World War One all over again
Major John Pitcairn Why would you make up a name, ya bum.
They had one before and would just reform The Daggerfall Covenant.
I can wipe out the entire Aldmeri Dominion with my character...
I decided to join the stormcloaks after finishing the main quest, and damn was the invasion of whiterun heartbreaking especially after having done so much for the city, becoming thane, and getting married and moving into breezehome.
man, im getting caught by these thoughts everytime, i simply CAN'T BETRAY BALGRUUF, FUCK THAT
My first playthrough was imperial and I regret it
I've been a stormcloak since the beginning , I keep wanting to make an imperial and go the empire route , but it never feels right. I really feel like , if the elder scrolls 6 is a direct sequel , which I hope it is , I hope there are alot of options when choosing how the war continues. Maybe you get Ulfric to change his mind about the empire , and you act as a peace treaty to combine the forces against the Thalmor , or you dual Ulfric the same way he dualed the High King and you become the leader of the Stormcloaks , and with that choice you either side with the empire against the Thalmor , or say fuck them both. Or you play as the empire , and either wipe out Ulfric , or get him to join , or you join him. Some many options to me that Bethesda dropped the ball on in this game. But whatever it is , I hope the Stormcloaks take the fight to the Thalmor like Ulfric stated at the end of the Civil War in Skyrim.
So was mine but that was when I first got the game and I didn’t know you could join the stormcloaks
Same
Equality and Unity is the way to go for me. Empire for life.
@@imperialtrooper927 Equality and unity!!!!
Under the Thalmor's Boot.
100% stormcloak all the way but I always feel bad when having to choose between Ralof and Hadvar istg. I like em both.
Edit: I forgot to add that I usually go with Hadvar to Riverwood as yk his uncle is a blacksmith. You can get free ingots whenever they respawn lol
Only reason I don’t like the stormcloaks is that they are racist 😕
@@justsomedude8091 Same but i agree with most of what they're fighting for
Spoops yeah. And I also choose them over imperials because I got a mod that lets you use a war horn depending who you’re fighting for
@@justsomedude8091 O shi, bois
@@justsomedude8091 wanting to protect your homeland and culture isn't racist. Look more into the dark elves, they want to take over all of skyrim. Read Dunmer of Skryim. Also elves think they're superior too. Imagine the empire comes to you Country to try and eliminate your culture and people, they're the real racist
In tes 6 I think it'd be really cool if the Stormcloak ending was Canon and it takes place in the Second Great War. End up just as the Empire is on its last leg a messenger runs up or like a Stormcloak soldier and play and implying that the Stormcloaks are here to help push back to Thalmor.
Did you say fucking tib-er septim? Its like tyber septim
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Kek Man oh shit its key man
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"I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil! I fight for their wives and children, whose names I heard whispered in their last breath. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing! I fight... because I must."
"Soon, the elves will again seek to rule the world. We must ready
ourselves to fight them. For it will be Skyrim that shall lead Tamriel
in those dark days, when the fate of the world is finally determined."
Just like what a comunist would say before taking over lol
The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks! Embrace the word of mighty Talos, he who is both man and Divine!
"We're fighting because we're done bleeding for an Empire that won't bleed for us! Untold numbers of Nords died defending the Empire against the Dominion. And for what? Skyrim being sold to the Thalmor so the Emperor could keep his throne. We're fighting because our own Jarls, once strong, wise men, have become fearful and blind with the people's suffering. We're fighting because Skyrim needs heroes, and there's no one else but us."
:)
The White Gold Concordat is the crime and the emperor the accused.
"If this was my Empire, I'd be able to worship whoever I damned well pleased. You wish to see an Empire without Talos? Without its soul? We should be fighting those witch-elves, not bending knee to them. The Emperor is nothing more than a puppet of the Thalmor. Skyrim needs a High King who will fight for her, and Whiterun needs a Jarl who will do the same."
Skyrims environment of freezing cold mountains also could suggest that the elves would struggle.
This "environment of freezing cold mountains didn't quite aid the snow elves when the Nords invaded, nor did it help the Nords when the Akaviri invaded, TWICE.
I see alot of Milk Drinkers in the comments
+petargrad You see any milk in Skyrim? Where do you think the milk comes from?
petargrad
Yeah, but you don't see or hear about cow milk in the game & only have read about it in the loading screen, now have you?
"can be looted off of Thalmor Justicars"
petargrad
Oh yeah, i forgot about that, but in the game it only heals 2 points of health so...
+Mr. Hanky The Xmas Poo #Team heavy you must not play skyrim alot
Just a basic question to all of you Stormcloack supporters: If the Empire couldn't beat the Aldmeri Dominion with Skyrim and Hammerfell on its side, what makes you think that Skyrim alone can stan its ground? Cold is not a problem for elves since there are LOTS of troops in Skyrim already and Skyrim would probably have to fight against both Empire and High Elves. While making Talos worshipping illegal is a bad thing, if you are losing you need a tactical retreat: that's just what it is, a temporary solution. Nords are not the best fighters neither the best magic users, those titles respectively go to Redguards and the High Elves; the College of Winterhold is in shambles so no help from that. And let's talk about that topic which is so fun: Ulfric slaughtering the High King. "But it was a fair fight". No it wasn't. Ulfric using the power of the voice in a duel is like a man bringing a gun to a stick fight! I don't see much "honor" in this man. Some of you will say that if you support the Stormcloacks they have the dragon born on their side. I wouldn't be so sure about that. Why? Let's analyze the ending for the Dragonborn DLC: the dragonborn kills Miraak and Hermeus Mora just lets him go away? I don't think so. (Some other youtuber actually analyzed this theory so go search for it) It's quite possible that the dragonborn is the new "prisoner", so no vantage for the Stormcloacks. You know what would be the easiest way? Skyrim TALKING to the Empire and getting their forces together to wipe out the Thalmors, but Ulfric's hot head could not think about that. I'm pretty dure that if Skyrim has the strength to beat the Thalmors the Empire would come to bargain (Dorumammu). I just feel that Stormcloacks are disorganized. Fighting a Civil War is very much different than fighting a full on war between to realms. In the end the Empire is destined to fall, but should it really fall under the Thalmor? The Thalmor would get hold of the biggest province of Tamriel. At that point Skyrim would be fucked anyways, because the Thalmor wouldn't let the Nords go because of Talos worshipping they'll probably keep going to war with them until they wipe out all the Nords, and they will win. Skyrim can become independent when it's not threatened by a much stronger force. While the state of civil war is good for the Thalmor, also Ulfric's victory is good for them you know? I just stated that if the Empire WITH his allies couldn't win, probably all of them divided will surely perish.
I'm done.
Edoardo Poletti actually, it was fair combat. as far as an independent skyrim vs the dominion...hammerfell did it. not to mention Skyrim has geographic and resource advantages...and short of conquering the empire first, the dominion has no land route into skyrim
Hammer fell did it, but the Redguards are the best warriors of Tamriel. Geographic advantages are a plus yes, but there are already lots of Thalmor troops inside Skyrim, holding forts and whatnot, making them quite useless in most cases. Lastly if the Stormcloacks beat the Imperials in the civil war, the Empire is probably going to unite forces with the Thalmor to take Skyrim back and punish the transgressors, they don't need to conquer Cyrodiil to get into Skyrim, the Empire MUST to let them trough.
Switzerland managed to deter both the Nazis and Italians with:
1. Their natural fortress of a country.
2. A militia that was fairly well armed and trained, but with some of the most die-hard soldiers around, told to reject any news of surrender as enemy propaganda.
3. Common knowledge of guerrilla tactics and how to properly fight a guerrilla war.
Stormcloak Skyrim is a very good allegory to Switzerland. You have a die-hard militia, knowledge of guerrilla warfare, and both natural and man-made defenses dotting the landscape. By all means, the Stormcloaks would win, if for no other reason than the total extermination of the Nords would be required, and that in and of itself would prompt moral outrage generating more and more rebellion.
Thijs Tharn Actually, Hitler had a very strong motivation given his political leanings. Not only did Switzerland have a sizable Jewish population and was a frequent stop for fleeing Jews, Germany wanted to annex the German cantons like they defied the military restrictions put upon the Rhineland, and annexed the Sudetenland, and the German areas of Austria and Hungary. Further weakening your point, Germany did draft invasion plans, and continued espionage efforts past 1942. In the intelligence report Kleine Orientierrungsheft Schweiz (Concise Reference Work Switzerland), they continued to analyze the Swiss resistance, and invasion plans were drafted in late 1943 by SS General Hermann Bohme and would have been executed in the summer of 1944 were it not for the D-Day invasion. Even earlier, in 1940, invasion plans were drafted and presented by Captain Otto Wilhelm von Menges of the German General Staff to the Army High Command, split into the German attack and the Italian attack. Plans continued to be refined all throughout the war, all referencing the will of the average Swiss man to pick up his rifle and fight to the last if need be, one report different from the last two going so far as to say that even though the Swiss army per se was not 100% mobilized, Germany should proceed as if that were the case. Switzerland had no value eh? History disagrees. Germany was planning an invasion for some time, clearly they had value worth fighting for, and an invasion would have happened if the Allies did not invade France beforehand.
Citation, in as close to APSA format in a comment: Halbrook, Stephen P. 2003 “Citizens in Arms: The Swiss Experience” Texas Review of Law and Politics 8: 142-172
Found in EBSCO.
Thijs Tharn Then why are you objecting? The original point was that the Stormcloaks will win because they must be eradicated, and to do so is prohibitively expensive, just like an Axis invasion of Switzerland.
Stormcloaks *UNITE!*
All hail to ulfric the true high king!!!!!!
Colgate toothpaste - We're the children of Skyrim, and we fight all our lives.
And when Sovngarde beckons, every one of us dies!
A side you choose wins the civil war, and can conquer the whole Tamriel. Don't forget that you are the Dragonborn! You defeated Miraak, you can bend will of dragons, you can turn into a werewolf/vampire lord, you have Auriel's bow and shield, your blood is the same blood that ran through veins of Tiber Speptim I! You have all daedric and aedric artifacts that you can find, you have access to ancient Dwarwen machines and weapons, you are the best warrior in all of Tamriel and Akavir and any island or continent that was not yet discovered! You destroyed Alduin the world eater, you have access to perks, you have shouts, you are probably the rightful heir to the throne of the Empire since Septim dinasty has the same blood as you do. If you joined the Empire nothing could stop you, really. Not Stormcloacks, not Thalmor, not anyone in the Aldmeri Dominion, there isn't anyone who can defeat you and your army of soldiers, dragons, great warriors summoned by Conjuration, Khaarstag, blessing of the Divines, Daedra artifacts and their favours to you, nobody can defeat The Dragonborn.
Not to mention if you add in the view of the citizens of Whiterun personally balgruuf the greater is the best option for high king of Tamriel cause he brings tactical insight into the war site
You hit the nail on the head man. It was an easy choice for me
The best option for Skyrim under the Stormcloacks would be an alliance with Hammerfell considering both have superior knowledge of tactics and strategies for their locations they could very easily help each to help each other if you know what I'm saying. Once the Thalmor are fought back they could then go on the offensive and clean house similar to what Ysgamor (can't remember the spelling of his name) did. Also considering both countries size and power as well as military knowledge (both at arguably the best warriors on the continent) they would stand much more of a chance than they would if Skyrim fought alongside the empire and Hammerfell fought independently.
my allegiance in skyrim was a journey, on my first playthrough i had come from a shallow playthrough of oblivion as a kid, i mean not an actual kid but not old enough to understand politics as well as i do now, i also didn't pay much attention to the surrounding world other than "gotta deal with the big red dude"
so my very first skyrim playthrough i played the underdog side and joined the stormcloaks (call it star wars syndrome, whenever i saw the word "empire" it was an immediate red flag) but i was still largely oblivious to TES lore in general
after many playthroughs and diving deeper into the lore i came to respect the empire build by tiber septim and i thought it was something worth fighting for thus i became a die hard imperial loyalist
keeping with my respect for talos, after i went back to oblivion and had a much more in depth playthrough, which importantly included the knights of the nine which was not available when i first played, i saw how talos was straight up a part of the divine pantheon as talos is literally the divine that allows you to do what pelinal couldn't because talos wasn't around back then
add to that my further learning of the lore and how TES gods have their power directly affected by devotion and worship, as well as learning more about tiber septim in life as opposed to learning of the god talos, i realised how talos could effectively be rendered powerless and how tiber would've spat at the notion of peace at any cost
i'm now back at where i started, backing the stormcloaks and i can proudly say that skyrim truly does belong to the nords, i don't entirely agree with ulfric's methods or his persona in general but the man has a point when it comes to the empire's bad management of resources, it's destruction and defamation of it's history and religion, and while him using the thu'um against torygg was the greatest dick move recorded probably since the second era, in using the thu'um he showed what the nords were, what skyrim and tiber septim were, and he reminded the world of the true power of the children of the sky and their storm voice
big take away: ulfric is a dick but he is right, tiber septim was also a dick and i really respect the guy so stormcloaks FTW
EDIT: as far as the mede dinasty goes, they aren't all without their merit especially titus mede II who is/was the current ruling emperor (depending on how far you've progressed into the dark brotherhood quest line) in fact titus mede II seens to be a fairly decent ruler but he was set up for failure due to general instability in the continent that started way before his rule so it's not like he's a shit emperor, he just got dealt a losing hand
EDIT 2: as for skyrim being self suficient, well... i'm not so sure that they are but they are a pretty big player in trades, if high rock (likely) follows suit and peaces out of the empire then skyrim has pretty much 2 to 3 trade partners literally bording it (hammerfell, high rock, and orsinium) and honestly those 4 provinces have a pretty decent shot at starting their own alliance, they all hate the dominion, they're all soured by the white-gold concordat, they have relatively little bad blood among them, hammerfell orsinium and high rock once made up the "daggerfall covenant" way back in th days of ESO and were an alliance built on a prosperous relationship and mutual benefit, skyrim would only add to that
as for dealings with black marsh, i find it unlikely as the folk from argonia seen pretty cozy down in their swamps and haven't made big plays since leaving the empire (outside of the instance where they rekt southern morrowind for revenge) plus they are far AF from skyrim so they likely wouldn't go out of their way to establish trade relations
morrowind is a weird one, they kinda owe skyrim some props for helping them out after the red year, the high king literally gave solstheim to them just because it was the nice thing to do, the borders were largely opened for refugees and outside of windhelm the dunmer don't seen to have it too bad out there
on the other hand nords and dunmer really fucking hate one another from way back when, morrowind is only with the empire because the old agreement with tiber septim essentially says "morrowind is part of the empire but gets to go about it's business as if it wasn't" so morrowind is only a part of the empire on paper, on practice they've been doing their own thing since the beginning of the third era and would likely just shut off relations with everyone if shit hits the fan, they seemed to get by just fine by themselves, with the helping hand of some friendly argonian slave labor
but the big thing is that morrowind and black marsh are incredibly unlikely to become active enemies of a free skyrim at this time, they have no reason to join the ranks of the imperial legion in an effort to retake skyrim, the dunmer are really into daedra worship and the dominion is really against that stuff so morrowind isn't going to allly with the dominion, and black marsh is just a generally isolated place with very undesirable territory and of little military significance outside of maybe a staging post for invading cyrodill or morrowind, but morrowind itself is pretty undesirable as well so the real use of black marsh is to invade cyrodill which is empire territory anyway so no other province would be bothered to give half a skeever's ass about an invasion, especially if it came from black marsh which is geographically so far from any other province that it presents about zero threat of eventually engaging with anyone other than cyrodill
All is well put but I'd like to add that in the past elders scrolls games all the guilds were cannon even if it ment some other person did it they fill the roles by saying stuff like the arch mage or leader of the fighters guild.
My point is that would mean the dark brotherhood where you kill the emperor will be cannon too even if it's not the dragon born that did it the lore will say a member of the dark brother hood did
Tldr
Damn
Stormcloaks every dam time. I mean I’d love to entertain being with the empire for just one play through. Though the stormcloaks embrace fundamentals of freedom. The empire doesn’t embrace any fundamental of freedom but several of coercion and conformity. The Empire seems cool, but all it is is a damn sham
Think of this Civil War like the American Revolution. Some band of only farmers and poorly trained soldiers without proper equipment defeat the Empire. Now, you're thinking,
"The Americans won because they had Spain and France helping them."
That's correct, and that's also where Hammerfell comes in. Hammerfell allies with the Stormcloaks, a weak but effective alliance mind you, and now the Stormcloaks have an entire country on their side. Now, you're thinking,
"Another reason the Americans won is because they had an ocean between them and the British, meaning it took longer for soldiers and supplies to come in."
And that's where the geography of Skyrim comes in. No major attack force could move through the mountains that surrounds Skyrim. Or, at least, it would take to long. They Stormcloaks could simply pick off and attack force by hiding within the mountain near all the trails. Also, if an Imperial or High Elf navy was to go to the Ghost Sea, well, they probably wouldn't get there. Considering the High Elves would have to go past Hammerfell, and since Hammerfell is an ally, the would attack these fleets. They would also stop anyone going to Skyrim through part of the south, southwest. and northwest.
Also, the Black Marsh might also ally with the Stormcloaks. They might not be a total ally, but one that's on standby during an evasion.
Ethan Gowers hammerfell has no reason to allign itself with skyrim I also don't think ulfric would ally even if hammerfell offered. He's too proud and stubborn
Hammerfell had it's own problems with the Thalmor and it is highly likely they would join forces.
1) Did you know the Redguards and Nords fought against each other during War of Bend'r-Mahk some 600 years ago? Hammerfell just experienced Haymon Camoran or the Camoran Usurper taking advantage of the disunity between the Crowns and Forebears to invade the weakened Hammerfell. After the Camoran Usurper's invasion, the further weakened Hammerfell faced the Nords from Skyrim. The Crowns and Forebears was too caught up with their hatred for each other to face the Nords properly. It ended up with Elinhir and half of Dragonstar captured by Skyrim. So if you think Hammerfell is going to step in and help Skyrim, you're mistaken. One more thing, the Redguards signed a peace treaty with the Dominion (Second Treaty of Stros M'Kai) and they won't break that treaty just because Skyrim "asked" them.
2) Skyrim was once a falmer land, then it was invaded by the akaviri, by the nords and by the imperials. The Dominion can do the same with ease.
The next ESO game is in hammerfell. You're right.
I don’t care if the stormcloaks dislike my argonian race I am still a proud argonian stormcloak
Sir Spider Here, here. I’m a proud Khajiit fighting for my right to worship one of my gods and because I’ve seen what those scumbag elves are like. We may not be Nords but we still won’t bow to any stupid elf.
Same
You're fighting for people who don't want you to be allowed in the holds you're Thane of.
As a Nord i respect and salute you argonian for fighting with us
Umm...
Is a dremora allowed as a stormcloak?
If you’re confused like
I like jarl balgruuf
@@jamestuwat936 ikr why can't he be high king
Skyrim belongs to the Nords!!!
8baller10 no Skyrim belongs to the gourds.
Skyrim belonged to the snow elves, the nords stole it from them basically. So even if the imperials are doing the same thing (which they aren't) they would kinda deserve it.
Dirty Dan no they earned it from right of conquest. The snow elves attacked the ancient altmoran city and and killed everyone but three altmoran. If the imperials one then it's there's if they lose its the Stormcloaks.
Dirty Dan stole? You never even watched a single lore vid ever lol
Furshnor yeh but its atmoran, your confused with altmer
I don't understand people who mispronounce things when they hear it all the time. Tiber Septim. It's like something is broken in this guy's head
I will always fight the Empire. Skyrim belongs to the Nords ✊
you know that that warcry is the equivalent of "germany belongs to the aryans" right?
the stormcloacks don;t have the kind of racism third wave feminists complain about, they have the kind of racism that fuels wars and kills 6 million people.
Man fuck that. Whats a Nord without Talos worship?
Chenyuan Xie WHAAAAAAAAT!!! :O
@@edkopik There is no germany to the aryans war cry. You can say "Deutschland den Deutschen" what means Germany to the Germans.
maybe also build a wall to keep all the Khajits out? xD
For me it is completely irrelevant if those of the Empire get the victory in the civil war for Skyrim, since apart from the fact of its constant state plagued by corruption, & decay in which it is currently, all until now since the death of "Martin Septim", indicates that it is simply destined to collapse completely; In one way or another, we will know in T.E.S. 6.
Also.., I only clarify that Martin Septim, the last emperor of the Septim dynasty did not descend from "Tiber Septim" directly, but from his brother "Agnorith Septim".
-There is also a prophecy from "T.E.S. 3" said by "Oddfrid White-Lip", which clarifies that when the last of the dragons dies(Martin), the Empire will be condemned to death(collapse), which also predicts some events of the "Oblivion Crisis", & It would not even be the first time that an empire created by humans collapses in the universe of T.E.S., since the first known to date belonged to the ancestors of the Nords, the Atmorans in the continent of "Tamriel".✍️
Oddfrid White-Lip:
"When the dragon dies, the Empire dies.
Where is the lost dragon's blood, the Empire's sire?
& from the womb of the void, who shall stem the blood tide?
So long as the Blood of the Dragon Prince runs strong in her rulers, the glory of the Empire shall extend in unbroken years.
His heart's blood bleeds in darkness.
For once the portals are opened, who shall shut them upon the rising tide?
For Lord Dagon forever reborn in blood & fire from the waters of Oblivion.
Find him... & close shut the marble jaws of Oblivion."
My prefect independent skyrim: This is set 12 years after skyrim is independent, in lore it's bigger than Poland and has a population of a tax bit over a million. The dragonborn is high king. The dragonborn repaired all major forts and added walls to all cities. Talos worship was reinstalled, all imperial pow are sent back to cyrodil as a sign of good will. Solstheim is annexed. Ulfric at the end of the war doesn't have a lot of support due to him being power hungry, and the dragonborn defeats him and all jarls support him to be high king. Skyrims now has a national guard and their independent military is 80k with 10 being part of the navy due to the blood horkers being allies. All named dragons that don't have to be killed, swear allegiance to the dragonborn kind of how they did with alduin. The calvary consists of armoured saber cats. Orc strongholds join skyrim, they dont have to pay taxes and they can still follow their tribal ways, the only catch is that they have to help skyrim in any war. The forsworn are wiped out and uses as slaves to build forts, roads etc. Harkon is killed. The blades are reformed and number 250 under delphine. Most barbarians are killed or captured then the dragonborn lets them join the military or die, they get pardoned if they join and get to keep all their items they had. Knight paladin gelebor finds a way to talk to the falmer and eventually 2,000 snow elevs are back and they live in the 11th hold of, "The Vale". I feel this skyrim would be very very powerful and in the top 3 of the most powerful nations in tamriel.
MinecraftZombieSlayer 69xXAssasinXx holy shit that would be a amazing game/mod a amazing idea in general
Rebuild all those forts in 12 years? Yeah right. Annexing Solsheim would start a war with the dark elves. And unless you're a nord, Ulfric's claim to the throne will be stronger than yours even if everyone thought he was power hungry.(Half of skyrim backs him as high king)
Da-Ron Davis Forsworn slaves, you are a nord, and morrowind is in caos and a skyrim that is that powerful would be able to just threaten them with war if they didnt
MinecraftZombieSlayer 69xXAssasinXx I can't see all of your reply so I can't respond to all of it but slavery is wrong. And invading morrowind would be hard because of the red mountain area still being desolate and uninhabitable.
Da-Ron Davis Well the forsworn in game practice slavery and worship deadra and other nasty things so its just
Long live Skyrim and the Stormcloaks, down with the Thalmor!
The Imperials hate the thalmor too
@@WildRaven2008 oh I know they do, but they would rather appease their master's rather than fight back openly, in my opinion anyway, lol, it's a fictional game with fictional events
2 years later for someone to reply your comment
@@gamemastercody that is the only thing those murderers and heroes have in common
@@WildRaven2008
THAT'S WHAT AN IMPERIAL DOG WOULD SAY!
Stormcloaks are better. Period. The only arguement the Empire fanboys can come up with is the same "Ulfric is a racist and a Thalmor puppet and the Empire is the only one that has a chance against the Thalmor" bullshit. The Empire is already falling. Not only that, but the Empire is already more of a Thalmor puppet. Why? Because the Thalmor is only taking advantage of that foolish White Gold Concordat to slowly take over Skyrim through the Empire (killing the Nord worshippers of Talos to spread Thalmor influence and also possibly to reduce the number of soldiers of Skyrim should they ever have a war with them). Not only that, but the fear of the Empire of the Thalmor has caused them to do whatever the Thalmor wants! I mean come on, out of the war, the Thalmor is the only one with the gain since the Empire doesn't want anything like that to happen again, and thus providing anything they can to the Thalmor. And what does the Empire gain from that? Nothing. Meaning the wants of the Thalmor continiously corrupts the Empire, so much so in fact that the Empire can't even be the same as they once was again. And just look at Titus! He was already winning in the Great War, and yet he came up with a peace treaty? A foolish peace treaty that only empowers the Thalmor! If you reached the ending of the Dark Brotherhood storyline, at some point, Amaund will say something about doing a great service to Skyrim, but he doesn't eleborate on that further. My assumption is that by killing Titus, the Thalmor won't have any high ranking puppet inside the Empire any longer. Yes, I assume that Amaund is very well aware of the Thalmor controlling the Empire, and that by killing their puppet, the Thalmor will have a problem spreading their influence. See how the Empire already became a Thalmor puppet?
And what can you say about the Stormcloaks? Is Ulfric a Thalmor puppet? No. You gonna say "read the Thalmor dossier?" Bullshit. Ulfric is the one trying to spit in the face of the Thalmor by wiping them out the face of Skyrim. And also, you Empire boys are being painfully ignorant of the dossier. The dossier literally said that Ulfric winning will complicate them and that he's only considered an asset because he unintentionally helps the Thalmor, which, by the way, will only lead to the Thalmor gaining nothing because Ulfric wants them out in the end. And listen to Ulfric and Tullius' conversation when you're at the Castle Dour during the Battle for Solitude. Tullius already pointed it out himself that the Empire is weak and corrupt because of the Thalmor, and Ulfric himself said that it's more than just a rebellion. Meaning a rebellion, not only against the Empire, but to fuck the Thalmor. And if you Empire boys are wandering what's gonna happen to Skyrim in the future should they ever had a war with the Thalmor, know that the Nords can also prepare and gather alliances from other regions of Skyrim and start an all out rebellion against the Thalmor to wipe them out once and for all.
In conclusion, the Empire is a Thalmor puppet, and the Stormcloaks are the ones trying to get rid of them for the greater good. Stormcloaks are better.
*The Empire is already falling. Not only that, but the Empire is already more of a Thalmor puppet. Why? Because the Thalmor is only taking advantage of that foolish White Gold Concordat to slowly take over Skyrim through the Empire (killing the Nord worshippers of Talos to spread Thalmor influence and also possibly to reduce the number of soldiers of Skyrim should they ever have a war with them).*
Ahh yes, the emotional Stormcloak argument without a basis... ''The Empire is already falling'', how so? Also, you really don't see that Ulfric actively and willingly collaborated with the Thalmor, do you?
*Not only that, but the fear of the Empire of the Thalmor has caused them to do whatever the Thalmor wants! I mean come on, out of the war, the Thalmor is the only one with the gain since the Empire doesn't want anything like that to happen again, and thus providing anything they can to the Thalmor. And what does the Empire gain from that? Nothing. Meaning the wants of the Thalmor continiously corrupts the Empire, so much so in fact that the Empire can't even be the same as they once was again.*
Not really. The Empire's puting their troops at the border of the Dominion, and Tullius was right about to execute Ulfric when the Thalmor did not want that at all.
*And just look at Titus! He was already winning in the Great War, and yet he came up with a peace treaty? A foolish peace treaty that only empowers the Thalmor! If you reached the ending of the Dark Brotherhood storyline, at some point, Amaund will say something about doing a great service to Skyrim, but he doesn't eleborate on that further. My assumption is that by killing Titus, the Thalmor won't have any high ranking puppet inside the Empire any longer. Yes, I assume that Amaund is very well aware of the Thalmor controlling the Empire, and that by killing their puppet, the Thalmor will have a problem spreading their influence. See how the Empire already became a Thalmor puppet?*
The Great War would've been lost, miserably, without the Concodat. Armaund says that the death of the Emperor would bring a change to Imperial policy, Motierre is clearly in it for personal gain.
*And what can you say about the Stormcloaks? Is Ulfric a Thalmor puppet? No. You gonna say "read the Thalmor dossier?" Bullshit. Ulfric is the one trying to spit in the face of the Thalmor by wiping them out the face of Skyrim.*
Is that why he actively, willingly, and cooperatively collaborated with the Thalmor? Is that why he is their asset?
*And also, you Empire boys are being painfully ignorant of the dossier. The dossier literally said that Ulfric winning will complicate them and that he's only considered an asset because he unintentionally helps the Thalmor, which, by the way, will only lead to the Thalmor gaining nothing because Ulfric wants them out in the end.*
They don't want him to win because it weakens the Empire less than an ongoing war, common sense.
*And listen to Ulfric and Tullius' conversation when you're at the Castle Dour during the Battle for Solitude. Tullius already pointed it out himself that the Empire is weak and corrupt because of the Thalmor, and Ulfric himself said that it's more than just a rebellion. Meaning a rebellion, not only against the Empire, but to fuck the Thalmor.*
Tullius says nothing of the sort. Tullius says that Ulfric is doing exactly what the Thalmor wanted; weaken the Empire while the Thalmor gain strength. Ulfric says it's ''more than a rebellion'' because he took the capital, nothing more.
*And if you Empire boys are wandering what's gonna happen to Skyrim in the future should they ever had a war with the Thalmor, know that the Nords can also prepare and gather alliances from other regions of Skyrim and start an all out rebellion against the Thalmor to wipe them out once and for all.
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Unfortunately, the Stormcloaks are too weak to do that.
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Typical Stormcloak supporters; they don't have solid arguments so they fall to petty insults.
The Forgotten Hero Actually, typical replies that are posted at 11:00 PM or 1:00 AM. I think gibberish username there just needed to get off their phone and sleep. Imperial supporters do the same.
I can come up with quite a few. Firstly, Skyrim really benefits from the Empire because of all of the trading and supplies. The Empire has a lot of nations that are friends that WILL help in the upcoming battle between Skyrim and the Dominion.
Secondly, the Empire only sighned the white gold concordot because there were rumours that the Thalmor had a second army waiting to attack. They couldnt take the chances of that beeing true. And everyone that isnt in the Dominion hates the Dominion, however, even though the Imperials are kind of in there, they hate the Thalmor and the Aldmeri Dominion and know that the Dominion wants them dead, so what do they do? Gather troops, try to get the people of Skyrim to help stop the menace. But the comes the second thing.
Secondly, the Dominion started the Civil War. See, my theory is that the Dominion did not have a second army and were nearly finished. So what do they do? Spread rumours that they do have a second army to terrify the Empire. They sign the white gold concordot and are at the Thalmor's every whim. They ban Talos worship in Skyrim and what happens? The Civil War. Oh, and by the way, the Thalmor consider Ulfric an asset. Do you really think after all that torture and everything he knew, that they'd let him go? Oh, and who decides to MURDER Torygg ,when he could have justmade him yeild, as a sign and takes the role unrightfully and a second after declares war? Ulfric? And who wants the war? The Dominion? And who do they consider a "dormant asset"? Ulfric.
Finally, if Skyrim is idipendent it will be overrun. Skyrim will probably be on its own, with the chances of Hammerfell helping, less than 50%. And if Ulfric is an agent then you are handing Skyrim to the Dominion. Whereas if the Empire succeeds then its Skyrim, the Empire High Rock and a few other places that will assist. At the least its the Aldmeri Dominion against four if the Empire wins and at least 0 if the Rebellion wins because of the whole, you know, Ulfric possibily being a spy? Boom, you are entitled to your own opinions and I will respect them but Empire's still a great choice.
@እናትህን ጠይ ቅ firstly, respect their opinions. Secondly, look at my comment before this. You'll understand.
Empire was about to execute you for the hell of it despite your race. I'd side with Ulfric but I do love the dark elf, kajit, and argonian homies
I think that Bethesda gonna make Stormcloaks victory in Civil war canon in the next Elder scroll sequel. Because it will open up many new conflicts.
I will hate them even more
no no no no no never gonna happen, sorry stormcloak Fanboy, the stormcloaks are bound to lose. Too ambitious, greedy leader, small numbers, new Faction, the empire's legions that will just keep coming at them, the Thalmor immediately conquering them if they won and you know the worst of them all??? they have ZERO MAGIC SKILLS compared to the fucking 1000 year old battlemages the Aldmeri Dominion has. The empire is the only way standing between the Thalmor and men.
@@podroznikzpustkowi4805 on that we agree
I think that a Stormcloak victory would isolate High Rock from The rest of the Empire(Cyrodill) and would make a Thalmor invasion much easier. Either way the Stormcloaks must cooperate with the Empire to stay alive even if they do win. So an Empirial victory benefits everyone.
Ainsley Harriot Did You Watch MrRhexx Video If Not Watch It I Also Agree With Your Point
Michele's Corner I did watch Rhexx's video. ☺
Ainsley Harriot LONG LIVE THE EMPORER
Ainsley Harriot or? Ally with Hammerfell? Black Muscle + Beer Muscle? Not strong? How about...... ally with dragon?
Just Noob An alliance with Hammerfell can be seen from miles away. I'm more co concerned about the fate of the Imperial provinces. The Argonians and Dunmer dislike the Nords and the dragons are exticnt after Alduin's death. So your point is invalid.
I chose the Stormcloaks because of the illegitimate Mede Empire's Big Lies:
1) The Nords are uniquely racist!
2) It's all Ulfric's fault!
3) We are the Good Guys!
4) We have no choice but to obey the Thalmor!
5) We are the only choice to defeat the Thalmor!
Did I miss any?
Furthermore, continued commerce, and a military alliance between Hammerfell (whose people have a long-standing hatred of Mer), Skyrim, and Cyrodiil is entirely possible. But no more "Empire." Imps cannot be trusted ever again.
Funny realization, the opinion that Talos isnt a real god is objectively wrong. In Oblivion, we satisfy the demand for the "blood of an Aedra" with some of Tiber's dried, centuries old blood
clearly proving that even men may become gods
the thalmor are screwed if they think resetting the world is a good thing
would be cool of you could raise an army from all the guilds you lead in skyrim and take cities for your own
the fallout new vegas hoover dam battle option basically
stormcloacks win, bretons see this victory and a part of them starts a rebellion, Nords and Redguards helps the rebellion so High Rock gets independant, they three forms an alliance, they take over Cyrodiil, they reform the Empire, placing the Dragonborn as Emperor, the Dragonborn kick elvish asses.
vote for me.
Idc, it's cannon that the Dragonborne sides with the Stormcloaks. The Dragonborne met Ulfric while arrested, Ulfric uses the Voice, you are clearly meant to follow stormcloak after the dragon. Nord is default race. They clearly had written it that the Dragonborne was meant to side with the Stormcloaks. If it's not that way in ESO 6 I'm gonna be mad because it's an obvious retcon.
You clearly don't know what either canon or retcon means, lmfao.
Me I always sided with the Stormcloaks when I sided with the Blades. Considering under the Empire the Blades seem to be open season for Thalmor Justiciars.
The Blades themselves support the Empire though.
Somebody actually sides with the Blades?
Celan obviously
I think the use of 'War never changes' is supposed to apply to all wars.
Although I sided with the Empire, I think both sides do have relevant pros and cons and neither are perfect.
As a storm cloak I agree with this, stormcloaks are good if you value freedom of speech and religion a lot, empire still does worship thalos in secret but if found out by the thalmor say bye bye off to thalmor dungeon for you.
While stormcloaks would not recognize thalmor authority at all.
Imperial is good if you want to combat racism ulfric is a bit racist and it clearly is the same for the nords in his city
Your opinion is worthless. Congrats on adding literally nothing to the conversation.
Long live the empire!
For my boi Balgruuf!
Nords Arise! Throw off the shackles of Imperial oppression. Do not bow to the yoke of a false emperor. Be true to your blood, to your homeland.
The empire tells us we cannot worship holy Talos. How can man set aside a god? How can a true Nord of Skyrim cast aside the god that rose from our own heartland? Mighty Tiber Septim, himself the first emperor, conqueror of all Tamriel, ascended to godhood to sit at the right hand of Akatosh. Tiber Septim, a true son of Skyrim, born in the land of snow and blood, bred to the honor of our people, is now Talos, god of might and honor. The Empire has no right to tell us we cannot worship him.
Our own high king, Torygg, betrayed us to the empire. He traded our god for peace. He agreed to a pact with the Thalmor signed by an emperor in a foreign land. Are we to be beholden to such a pact? No! A thousand times no.
Do not let the lessons of history go unheeded. The Aldmeri Dominion and its Thalmor masters made war upon men, just as the elves made war upon Ysgramor and our people in ancient times. Shining Saarthal was burned to the ground, reduced to ruins and rubble in their treacherous assault. But Ysgramor and his sons gathered the 500 Companions and made war upon the elves, casting them out of Skyrim. In the Great War fought by our fathers, the elves again betrayed men by attacking us unprovoked. The Dominion and the Thalmor cannot be trusted!
Like Ysgramor, Ulfric Stormcloak is a true hero of Skyrim. His name will ring in Sovngarde for generations to come. Only he had the courage to single out King Torygg and challenge him to trial by arms. Ulfric's thu'um, a gift from Talos himself, struck down this traitorous ruler. And by his death we are now free of our Imperial shackles and the Thalmor overlords that darken the Imperial throne.
The Empire has sent its Legions to govern us. They have enlisted our own countrymen to their cause. They have set brother against brother, father against son. They have caused Skyrim to battle itself in their name, for their cause. Do not let them divide us. Do not let them conquer us! Reject the Imperial law that forbids the worship of Talos. Join Ulfric Stormcloak and his cause!
I've always preferred the stormcloaks to the empire, the only thing I hate about choosing the stormcloaks is that I think Jarl Balgruuf is abit of a geezer and hate to see him get de-throned, but I guess he bought it on himself really😂
It's pronounced tEYEber septim. Just had to point that out. It was said like this in the game.
Thank you Master Neloth.
thalmor=nazi
+Ervin Bot Sounds about right
Ervin Bot this explains a lot to me because any games where you can play as nazi oh I'm playing as Nazis
Ervin Bot I ain't no high elf I'm a dark elf. Telvanni Wizard to be exact.
This argument is flawed because your not looking at the bigger picture. If Skyrim secedes from the empire, it will only weaken it. Which of course will only make the empire easier to defeat. And, After they take out the empire who do you think their gonna go after next? Skyrim and Hammerfell. Do you really think one little province is going to be able to stand up against them? They're already pretty powerful as General Tullius said that the only reason that they are not completely invading Skyrim is because most of the empires troops are bury securing the Empire/Aldmeri dominion border. What do you think Skyrim is going to do when the dominion comes with the full resources of the empire? If Skyrim will stay with them it will perhaps give them the manpower they need to squash the aldmeri dominion. All Skyrim is doing now is wasting their resources. If you read the War of the Red Ring book and others in Skyrim then you will realise that the empire was only doing what it could to stop itself from being completely annihilated.
Indeed, i think the video's reasoning is flawed in many ways, for example he says in the video that the empire turned it's back on Talos and is a puppet of the aldmeri dominion. This is simply not true as first of the empire didn't willingly outlaw Talos worship and also many npc's and books like general Tullius talk about a 2nd greát war between the aldmeri dominion and the empire and that the empire signed the treaty so that they could build up their strength to fight the elves again.
Would the empire engage in this second war it is very possible that the worship of talos would be allowed once again. How i see it the stormcloaks are only looking at the smaller picture and want fast solutions to their problems while the empire is planning far ahead.
You missed the whole point here chief. It's about what's best for the people of Skyrim, not the Empire.
Yes but both sides are preparing to go to war. Once the empire beats the aldmeri dominion it will be able to allow Talos worship again. But of course that won't happen until the empire has the resources to beat the aldmeri dominion. Skyrim leaving will only exacerbate the destruction of the empire. Which is the only thing keeping the dominion at bay.
+Brett McManus So you would rather have the Dominion occupying Skyrim then the Empire? Because that's exactly what's going to happen. the Dominion is going to beat the already weak Empire and then just steamroll Skyrim.
+Necromancer Well the Dominion couldn't beat Hammerfell, who borders the Dominion's domain. Also the Nords are quite practiced at guerrilla warfare. So where's your proof that the Thalmor would conquer Skyrim? We know for a fact that they couldn't conquer an independent nation. Just simply pointing out to the OP that this video was specific to the people of Skyrim, not the Empire.
The emperor gets assassinated anyway making things even more complex. The Legion can't even protect their leader from a assassin. The army is so weak it can't stop a rebellion. What if there was a real crisis in Skyrim and Skyrim needed the Legion? It's not there. I mean Solitude is so tied up in politics the most powerful Necromander almost rose up again under their nose and would of been a Catastrophe for all of Skyrim. Their Court Wizard is a vampire pulling strings. That is extremely dangerous Considering she likes knows and is downplaying it. Also with the rise of Harkon it could easily become a real problem. The Empire seems blind to the growing dangers or indifferent them Which isn't just bad for skyrim but for everyone. They ignore the Forsworn problem. One Of the biggest arguments is that thr Empire brings food and stability to Skyrim but look at Winterhold. It's barely surviving and they don't help it. I used to side with the Empire. You know saying that they got the bigger army and that you're just biting time till they can fight again. But it's been almost 20 years since they signed the treaty and Banning Talos worship might be overlooked but they have thr Thalmor Literally kidnapping and torturing people. They don't even acknowledge you as dragonborn while Ulfric does. You can basically blow back and entire Battalion by yourself and the Legion doesn't even care. The legion doesn't even seem to really care about the dragon while the holds do...
But then that keeps the Empire fractured, and thus more likely to lose a second Great War
They already lost 1 war when they were “united”, and hammerfell proved it is possible for individual countries to beat the aldmeari dominion if they have the will and determination. I think independent Skyrim, backed by the fury and humiliation placed upon them by the high elves would stand a much better chance than a fractured empire who’s nords are more likely to rebel again and make it even more difficult to win if a second Great War breaks out
Empire strong, Stormcloak Weak, Thalmor stronger
GENER CAP bitch please.....
No, it's more like Thalmor : Nazis
Akkarin0815 agreed.. ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ
Akkarin0815
Exept that the Empire (Pétain) aren't evil, but weak, and the rebellion make them even weaker.
The only way I can think of a victory against the Aldmeri Dominion is a unified front. Different independent countries would make easier targets to take control over one by one. If the combined forces of the empire just barely forced back the thalmor offensive, Skyrim alone would never be able to hold back a full on invasion. The argument with Hammerfell pretty much falls short considering that there really never was a full invasion that aimed to take all control of that region.
Finally, someone on youtube who sees the religious liberty aspect of the civil war.
Realistically, there’s no way the Dominion could conquer Skyrim. The harsh terrain alone would make it a nightmare to occupy.
Pre-Skyrim lore also states that all nords, even Peasent farmers, would have a considerable amount of combat prowess due to living in such a difficult area. This means that guerilla tactics would result in the equivalent of a snowy Vietnam War for the Altmer.
I've only sided with the Empire once to see the dialogue cause I like that shit and i got to say at least Ulfric went down like a true warrior instead of giving up like tullius who only fought because Rikke fought.
Tullius didn't want to fight because it'd be fighting a losing battle. Killing Tullius is arguably one of the most idiotic things Ulfric could have done. Tullius was a brilliant general, Ulfric killed him merely because he wanted him dead.
The Forgotten Hero Still doesn't change my opinion that Ulfric went down like a true warrior.
I only sided with the empire was for the armor.
Stormcloaks are right
Freedom for the people
Talos and the Aedra
Dark Dragon Nobody is right, either side has its pros and cons. With the Legion winning, it would be better for the Second Great War, but if the Stormcloaks won it would be better for Skyrim.
If the stormcloaks win their only hope of survival is if hammerfell joins them. If not, the aldmeri dominion wipe Skyrim out and then kill off a weakened empire. Even if they did join they’d have to fight off the empire and the thalmor at the same time. And for the citizens of Skyrim that aren’t nords, I fear they’d end up stuck in one city being harassed by ulfrics men. Also uflrics battle tactics at the battle of Whiterun showed me enough to know he wouldn’t outwit the high elves
More like freedom for NORDS and nords only
Very similar to the treaty of Versailles
TheGrumpyYaoGuai Although that had some other repurcussions in the long term.. Making the comparison with Germany and the Empire of Cyrodil
Yeah, we know that the germans didn't liked it at all ;) Watch out Altmer, the empire will blitz or ass.
All the elves have in Skyrim is a small fort and an emissary containing a small army which is badly enough to occupy the 4th largest kingdom in Tamriel.