Their customers claim they have waited for many years for their knives. It seems the company keeps accepting new orders without shipping or refunding existing ones.
@@imgadgetmanjimThey must really love newer customers then, because I don’t have my knife. Over a year waiting now with no response to emails. Edit: Guy responded to a comment I made and said he would try to take care of it. Guess I will see how that goes.
Been waiting since last February. They did respond to an email, they have my order, but no delivery window was given... I do trust the Survive QC, but I didn't sign on to be an investor in their company. Just wanted to be a customer.
I have been waiting for my 5.1 in 3V since 2021. Waiting for my Vendetta 5.5 in magnacut since it was on offer in early 2022. Do I think I will get it eventually?I hope so. But buyer beware. It is near impossible to get a response. If you are ok with giving out your money as a 0% business loan that may or may not get back to you then go ahead.
Haha, I ordered a GSO 5.1 on Feb '22. Still don't have it. Mine will be Satin Stonewash with a 3 color camo G10 handle. Either I'm patient or a glutton for punishment, but I also ordered a V-7 a couple of months ago.
Guys i know the wait times are just rediculous sometimes so i wanted to comment to my friends on youtube im selling this black gso 5.1 magmacut if any of you want to buy it great deal less than i paid for it with hardly any use accept some badic testing perfect razor edge on it too. Heavysettactical@gmail.com
Make sure you guys write a will on who you want to inherit it. Just in case because a lot can happen in the 1 to 2 years of waiting for this knife to ship out from the time you order it.
Hahaha true that but longest orders taking these days are 5 months I got the edc 4 in 1 month got the gso 5.1 new uncoated in magnacut in 5.5 months got my gso 3 in 4.5 months haven't experienced any year or more order tines it is long time to wait 3 to 5 months but if u want to all new models are going fast
Did you look at the list complaints on BBB by all the people stating they've been waiting 1 to 2 years to receive their order, and many are still waiting beyond 2 years to receive it. They can't ship locally on time, but they can ship on time to DBK in Europe 😂. Seems like the only people surviveknives ships to in a timely fashion are knife reviewers. I doubt surviveknives will survive too long because they can't be sustained by knife reviewers alone. The people are slowly catching on to their B.S.
@DobBole look I go by my experiences man that's all I can do I have pre-orders now that have been in there for almost a year that are magnacut and I understand it took longer I'm waiting I have 3 pre-orders eith survive... I have a fee of their knives now cause I got them on ebay or in stock the in stock items always ship for me withing few days time I get them in a week from ordering usually
I bought my 4.7 in magna cut and got it in 3 weeks!? Yall ordering knives that are not in stock and mad you waited until they got enough orders to run that model…. lol
I started buying their knives while the shop was in Pa. Production was slow while they were expanding, building their business. Moved to Idaho and now back in Pa. Hopefully, in time, they will add a showroom where i can drive to Gettysburg and check out their awesome collection.
From what I understand some of the blanks were out of spec. They was an issue with the decarburization and the surface looked not great. Guy being Guy wouldn't let the knives be used in the standard GSO 5.1, but he used them in a new product. The Cerakote covers the surface issues. ruclips.net/video/O6yGtnM2sQU/видео.html
I got one from the same run. Every aspect is perfect. Was supposed to take two weeks to arrive. It took six weeks, but I already knew not to take the optimistic estimate too seriously, so I didn't stress about it. Guy was posting progress videos, so I was satisfied that they were making their best effort to get things done. And I figure a few extra weeks is a small price to pay for a perfect product that will still perform beautifully when my great grandchildren use it to reclaim the earth from the machine AI overlords.
I’ve been waiting on my pre order for two years now! Guy keeps taking new orders regardless! He keeps pushing edc 4’s on to people and it seems like that’s been his main focus lately, not only that but he’s holding back or deleting negative comments on his videos. Other people have commented that he isn’t refunding their money for orders that they’ve waited for over years!! Something isn’t adding up there
I wasn't too sure about the design until I held it. It's like a dream becoming reality. It is the knife for the Apocalypse. A work art and a heavy duty tool.
It’s not a custom knife. They’re Waterjet cut, Blanchard ground, and heat treated out of house at Peters. Then they have a little more machine finish done and someone bolts handles on (no glue and no grinding/profiling by hand,) then the blades maybe get buffed by hand on a wheel. They’re not customizable but come in set templates. How do you consider this custom? Peters heat treat is not second to none. They’re a large scale operation and they use a torch to straighten blanks. They’re good for a big operation but to say they’re second to none is completely untrue. I have an actual hand ground custom that’s fit and finish matches survives machinery production but with a blade grind more optimized to actually cut and slice. I also didn’t have to wait for some insane amount of time and keep being lied to about the delivery date.
I agree that it's not custom, but Survive knives are a small company that are making jobs in the USA. People should support these guys more than large companies that manufacture in China.
@@Daniel.Liddicoat it’s a group of like 3-4 people and that includes guy, his wife, and his personal friend who is helping at the moment. There is one other employee.
There are actual custom made in America knives for the same price that you can buy from someone who will gladly communicate with you, unlike survive. You can modify someone’s custom design anyway you want if you feel so inclined, or you can give them a template you made entirely yourself. Or just buy one of the many great custom makers models out there. You won’t have to wait as long for a hand made custom as you will for a survive knife made my machines and liars. Guy has been recycling the same excuses for literally a decade. Guy has constantly changed steels or changed models for people who have orders long since placed but unfulfilled. Many people purchased a survive knives blade because it was supposed to be delta 3v, then they stopped using that and said too bad if you paid for delta 3v you won’t get it. We’re taking about paying for a knife 3-5 years ago under the impression you’ll get a delta 3v knife in a timely manner, since that what he always claims. Then, years down the road, you still don’t have your prepaid knife …and you don’t know when or if you will ever get it. If you do get it, it won’t even be for what you paid for. Oh ya that reminds me..most custom makers won’t charge you until the knife is complete and ready to ship. Hell you can even buy ones that are literally in stock and they will ship out immediately. Even when survive every once in a while lists something as “available now,” it can still take months to get rofl. Guy is a clown and I promise you there are better people to give your money to. I’ll list a few custom makers I know of, but there are plenty more to be found on Instagram/Facebook or bladeforums or bushcraftusa. Carothers performance knives, Cohutta knives, JD custom, AA Forge, asventuresworn, gossman, Big Chris Custom Knives, Fiddleback Forge, Seedy Lot, PLKnives, ADKnives, steadfast handcrafted knives, plainsmen knives, hasse knives, malanika knives, Sargent edged tools, papa bear knives, Paul b custom and so many more. Not all of these will be available immediately but some will be and the ones you have to wait for, won’t have as long a wait as survive does. At least they’ll give you a real timeframe as well instead of continuously lying to you
everyone is quick to say it isnt custom. to me when you can pick the steel the length the handles the edge and the colors and the sheath its pretty customizable not to sounds nasty but i know its not a 2 man hand made bushcrafter i have a lot of those true customs but its pretty customizable so i call it semi costome u
I received my GSO 5.1 ceracoated knife 3 days ago...i am blown away by how nice it is. As you said, the quality is second to none. I look forward to seeing how you put yours to use.
@informedcitizen8687 I ordered my 5.1 (Magnacut, stonewashed finish blade) immediately after watching the DBK video review on 9/10/2022. I ordered the ceracoated version after I got an email saying some of them were in stock. I am not sure if this is part of the decarburized batch that came back from Peter's heat treat, but I got charged the full price vs a blemished product price.
Great video bud! I don’t think there was any over exaggeration. I feel the same way that you do about the company. I posted the same praise on praise on BladeForums and got swarmed lol.
@@christopherlarson7579 custom makers. Do you want an absolute tank of a knife, which I may assume based on you mentioning the dbk video? Carothers performance knives are better. You won’t see survive even entering chopper competitions, let alone winning any. Nathan Carothers created the delta 3v heat treat protocol and is an actual machinist. There are other good super heavy duty blade makers out there as well like Gossman Knives and Busse Knives. There are also guys like JTKnives over at bladeforums that do heat treating and seem respected. Then there are plenty of custom makers who heat treat in house in a more small scale operation that can have more control over and attention to detail than peters. You can get magnacut higher hardness from a custom maker than you can from peters if that is what you were going for. You can also get knives with better edge geometry designed to actually cut, carve and slice well. Thinly ground convex grinds are awesome. Plus the handles some of these guys are putting out blow survive out of the water when it comes to ergonomics. You might as well go custom when you’re paying $300 already and survive has worse lead times then almost anyone for a knife that’s not even hand made. Plus why support Guy who has been making and recycling excuses for the past decade? There are still outstanding orders from like 8+ years ago, yet here he is continually switching steels, making excuses and designing new models while still taking on more than he can chew. All this, despite all the bullshit he pulls about how they’re gonna be shipping in 90 days. How rich to say given the amount of backlog. I’ve heard that 90 day line and turning it around speech repeatedly since I’ve followed them since Jan 2021. He has to keep pre orders rolling or the bills don’t get paid I guess. Real great business practice.. You only got that knife because you opted for a factory seconds. That blank was likely paid for by someone else years ago. Then Guy sat on it for literally years, finally got around to sending it to heat treat where it apparently had issues on peters part. Then he decided to take the decarbed aka improperly heat treated and carbon leached blanks, and focus all his time and effort on those so he wouldn’t be out of the money for the metal itself. He already admitted Peter didn’t charge him for that heat treat so his only lose is the raw material itself. Why go full steam ahead on those decarbed ugly Betty’s (a term they used to call factory seconds,) when they still have outstanding orders for 5.1’s, 10s and 12’a that are years and years old?
@@christopherlarson7579 peters isn’t bad they do good work and maybe you could call them second to none for operations of that scale. They’re not better than some custom small batch makers though which is all I was nit picking. I’m mainly just frustrated with survive and letting some of that out here so my bad. No one’s ever said survive doesn’t have good fit and finish that’s not why they’ve lost so many customers. I just wish they would stop lying and get more realistic with timeframes. Also he seriously needs to consider changing his business practices if he’s never gonna actually clear that backlog and start spitting things out in thay 90 days claimed timeframe. Maybe he should do mostly small batches and sell what’s available on hand and keep pre orders to a minimum. Enjoy the 5.1 but I would consider thinking of only ordering any future survive products second hand unless Guy actually turns it around over there and makes amends. That’s a tall order. At the very least, I’d say only order directly from them if it’s listed under available now and use a credit card or PayPal because good luck getting a timely refund direct from survive
Sorry but you are wrong. I have been to the shop and I have 6 of their knives and 2 more on order. They were hit with many problems as Guy has said and they have perseverance. If you are not willing to wait then don’t order and buy in the secondary market for 50% more. In a world of Amazon it is hard to wait but well worth it. All of mine were perfect. I have been waiting for over one year for gso 5.1 but they were kind enough to let me change to gso 5.5 so I have to wait a little longer. In this case you get more than you paid for.
@@CodgersUnitedI believe they have someone to answer emails now. I have sent emails and got reply about 3 months ago. I think they are putting time into trying to catch up on orders more than anything. I have multiple orders I am waiting for but not worried.
They are a scam. Selling seconds to raise money. Sending knives to people who have social media. They owe knives back to 2015 still. Stop shilling for them. You loose any creditably defending these thieves.
They’re not a scam, the knives are very high quality. I own three of them. The wait times were a lot faster back then though. I received all of my knives in less than a year from the time I put in my order.
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Their customers claim they have waited for many years for their knives. It seems the company keeps accepting new orders without shipping or refunding existing ones.
They are really catching up. I have 6 of their knives and 2 more on order.
@@imgadgetmanjimThey must really love newer customers then, because I don’t have my knife. Over a year waiting now with no response to emails.
Edit: Guy responded to a comment I made and said he would try to take care of it. Guess I will see how that goes.
@@phillipnunya6793I waited over a year as well. Was worth the wait.
@@dlrmon1Ouch. Sorry. Hope you get it soon.
If it’s not in stock or in preorder then yeah it’s going to be a wait. Duh….
Ive been waiting for 14 months now on my 5.1 in maganacut cant wait till it shows up
Been waiting since last February. They did respond to an email, they have my order, but no delivery window was given... I do trust the Survive QC, but I didn't sign on to be an investor in their company. Just wanted to be a customer.
I have been waiting for my 5.1 in 3V since 2021. Waiting for my Vendetta 5.5 in magnacut since it was on offer in early 2022. Do I think I will get it eventually?I hope so. But buyer beware. It is near impossible to get a response. If you are ok with giving out your money as a 0% business loan that may or may not get back to you then go ahead.
You got to be fucking kidding me!
Sweet friggin knife. Would love to see a VS. video with a Reif.
U know maybe I can handle that
Waiting for my 5.1 since September
Still waiting for my 5.1 since December. Hopefully soon!
I made my order on Jan 1st of this year -- hopefully mine is right behind yours.
Haha, I ordered a GSO 5.1 on Feb '22. Still don't have it. Mine will be Satin Stonewash with a 3 color camo G10 handle. Either I'm patient or a glutton for punishment, but I also ordered a V-7 a couple of months ago.
Still waiting on mine from September
May 2022 here…waiting.
October 2022...
I've been waiting over a year and a half for my 5.1.
Don't get your hopes up. They have your money and have sold your knife as a second to keep the lights on.
SURVIVE is BS. Dont promote his shyt in anyway. DELETE
Guys i know the wait times are just rediculous sometimes so i wanted to comment to my friends on youtube im selling this black gso 5.1 magmacut if any of you want to buy it great deal less than i paid for it with hardly any use accept some badic testing perfect razor edge on it too. Heavysettactical@gmail.com
Did the problems with the magnacut cause any weakness to the finished knife?
Yes,
They are decarbonized under that coating!
That's crazy
Make sure you guys write a will on who you want to inherit it. Just in case because a lot can happen in the 1 to 2 years of waiting for this knife to ship out from the time you order it.
Hahaha true that but longest orders taking these days are 5 months I got the edc 4 in 1 month got the gso 5.1 new uncoated in magnacut in 5.5 months got my gso 3 in 4.5 months haven't experienced any year or more order tines it is long time to wait 3 to 5 months but if u want to all new models are going fast
Did you look at the list complaints on BBB by all the people stating they've been waiting 1 to 2 years to receive their order, and many are still waiting beyond 2 years to receive it. They can't ship locally on time, but they can ship on time to DBK in Europe 😂.
Seems like the only people surviveknives ships to in a timely fashion are knife reviewers. I doubt surviveknives will survive too long because they can't be sustained by knife reviewers alone. The people are slowly catching on to their B.S.
that’s absolutely not true, plenty of people including myself waiting years, sure as hell not 5 months, what you just said is completely false
@DobBole look I go by my experiences man that's all I can do I have pre-orders now that have been in there for almost a year that are magnacut and I understand it took longer I'm waiting I have 3 pre-orders eith survive... I have a fee of their knives now cause I got them on ebay or in stock the in stock items always ship for me withing few days time I get them in a week from ordering usually
I bought my 4.7 in magna cut and got it in 3 weeks!? Yall ordering knives that are not in stock and mad you waited until they got enough orders to run that model…. lol
I started buying their knives while the shop was in Pa. Production was slow while they were expanding, building their business. Moved to Idaho and now back in Pa. Hopefully, in time, they will add a showroom where i can drive to Gettysburg and check out their awesome collection.
Why would you need ceroakote on magnacut? It's not 1095. I don't get it.
They fucked up the heat treat. So they covered it.
It’s criminal how they keep taking more money from people and not fulfilling their older orders!
From what I understand some of the blanks were out of spec. They was an issue with the decarburization and the surface looked not great. Guy being Guy wouldn't let the knives be used in the standard GSO 5.1, but he used them in a new product. The Cerakote covers the surface issues. ruclips.net/video/O6yGtnM2sQU/видео.html
I got one from the same run. Every aspect is perfect. Was supposed to take two weeks to arrive. It took six weeks, but I already knew not to take the optimistic estimate too seriously, so I didn't stress about it. Guy was posting progress videos, so I was satisfied that they were making their best effort to get things done. And I figure a few extra weeks is a small price to pay for a perfect product that will still perform beautifully when my great grandchildren use it to reclaim the earth from the machine AI overlords.
I have been waiting for mine over a year now. It was going to “ship in up to three months”. No response to many emails.
I’ve been waiting on my pre order for two years now! Guy keeps taking new orders regardless! He keeps pushing edc 4’s on to people and it seems like that’s been his main focus lately, not only that but he’s holding back or deleting negative comments on his videos. Other people have commented that he isn’t refunding their money for orders that they’ve waited for over years!! Something isn’t adding up there
I really like their knives..
I wasn't too sure about the design until I held it. It's like a dream becoming reality. It is the knife for the Apocalypse. A work art and a heavy duty tool.
It’s not a custom knife. They’re Waterjet cut, Blanchard ground, and heat treated out of house at Peters. Then they have a little more machine finish done and someone bolts handles on (no glue and no grinding/profiling by hand,) then the blades maybe get buffed by hand on a wheel. They’re not customizable but come in set templates. How do you consider this custom?
Peters heat treat is not second to none. They’re a large scale operation and they use a torch to straighten blanks. They’re good for a big operation but to say they’re second to none is completely untrue.
I have an actual hand ground custom that’s fit and finish matches survives machinery production but with a blade grind more optimized to actually cut and slice. I also didn’t have to wait for some insane amount of time and keep being lied to about the delivery date.
Well that's great but I like these knives too thank you for your feedback
I agree that it's not custom, but Survive knives are a small company that are making jobs in the USA. People should support these guys more than large companies that manufacture in China.
@@Daniel.Liddicoat it’s a group of like 3-4 people and that includes guy, his wife, and his personal friend who is helping at the moment. There is one other employee.
There are actual custom made in America knives for the same price that you can buy from someone who will gladly communicate with you, unlike survive. You can modify someone’s custom design anyway you want if you feel so inclined, or you can give them a template you made entirely yourself. Or just buy one of the many great custom makers models out there. You won’t have to wait as long for a hand made custom as you will for a survive knife made my machines and liars.
Guy has been recycling the same excuses for literally a decade. Guy has constantly changed steels or changed models for people who have orders long since placed but unfulfilled. Many people purchased a survive knives blade because it was supposed to be delta 3v, then they stopped using that and said too bad if you paid for delta 3v you won’t get it. We’re taking about paying for a knife 3-5 years ago under the impression you’ll get a delta 3v knife in a timely manner, since that what he always claims. Then, years down the road, you still don’t have your prepaid knife …and you don’t know when or if you will ever get it. If you do get it, it won’t even be for what you paid for.
Oh ya that reminds me..most custom makers won’t charge you until the knife is complete and ready to ship. Hell you can even buy ones that are literally in stock and they will ship out immediately. Even when survive every once in a while lists something as “available now,” it can still take months to get rofl.
Guy is a clown and I promise you there are better people to give your money to. I’ll list a few custom makers I know of, but there are plenty more to be found on Instagram/Facebook or bladeforums or bushcraftusa. Carothers performance knives, Cohutta knives, JD custom, AA Forge, asventuresworn, gossman, Big Chris Custom Knives, Fiddleback Forge, Seedy Lot, PLKnives, ADKnives, steadfast handcrafted knives, plainsmen knives, hasse knives, malanika knives, Sargent edged tools, papa bear knives, Paul b custom and so many more. Not all of these will be available immediately but some will be and the ones you have to wait for, won’t have as long a wait as survive does. At least they’ll give you a real timeframe as well instead of continuously lying to you
Another great knife.
Dude wait till you see my camo custom one from survive knives
So it seems there unavailable for pre-order. Where do i get my paws on one?.
Knife looks great, but that black mouse mat looks disgusting dirty
That's TUNGSTEN Cerecote, not black.
everyone is quick to say it isnt custom. to me when you can pick the steel the length the handles the edge and the colors and the sheath its pretty customizable not to sounds nasty but i know its not a 2 man hand made bushcrafter i have a lot of those true customs but its pretty customizable so i call it semi costome u
Keep cutting paper it won’t be sharp for long 😢
I received my GSO 5.1 ceracoated knife 3 days ago...i am blown away by how nice it is. As you said, the quality is second to none. I look forward to seeing how you put yours to use.
I'm waiting for mine to ship...when did you order yours?
@informedcitizen8687 I ordered my 5.1 (Magnacut, stonewashed finish blade) immediately after watching the DBK video review on 9/10/2022.
I ordered the ceracoated version after I got an email saying some of them were in stock. I am not sure if this is part of the decarburized batch that came back from Peter's heat treat, but I got charged the full price vs a blemished product price.
i appreciate you guys giving me other suggestions man i do this cause i truly enjoy using and having all these so thanks for your input
😅Get a room 😂
$400 don't think so goodbye😮
What would you go for?
Great video bud! I don’t think there was any over exaggeration. I feel the same way that you do about the company. I posted the same praise on praise on BladeForums and got swarmed lol.
There is definitely over exaggeration. Keep coping with that sunken cost fallacy you have. These aren’t custom knives and Peters isn’t second to none
@@ShoahBiz what company do you recommend for heat treat?
@@christopherlarson7579 custom makers. Do you want an absolute tank of a knife, which I may assume based on you mentioning the dbk video? Carothers performance knives are better. You won’t see survive even entering chopper competitions, let alone winning any. Nathan Carothers created the delta 3v heat treat protocol and is an actual machinist. There are other good super heavy duty blade makers out there as well like Gossman Knives and Busse Knives.
There are also guys like JTKnives over at bladeforums that do heat treating and seem respected. Then there are plenty of custom makers who heat treat in house in a more small scale operation that can have more control over and attention to detail than peters. You can get magnacut higher hardness from a custom maker than you can from peters if that is what you were going for. You can also get knives with better edge geometry designed to actually cut, carve and slice well. Thinly ground convex grinds are awesome. Plus the handles some of these guys are putting out blow survive out of the water when it comes to ergonomics.
You might as well go custom when you’re paying $300 already and survive has worse lead times then almost anyone for a knife that’s not even hand made. Plus why support Guy who has been making and recycling excuses for the past decade? There are still outstanding orders from like 8+ years ago, yet here he is continually switching steels, making excuses and designing new models while still taking on more than he can chew. All this, despite all the bullshit he pulls about how they’re gonna be shipping in 90 days. How rich to say given the amount of backlog. I’ve heard that 90 day line and turning it around speech repeatedly since I’ve followed them since Jan 2021. He has to keep pre orders rolling or the bills don’t get paid I guess. Real great business practice..
You only got that knife because you opted for a factory seconds. That blank was likely paid for by someone else years ago. Then Guy sat on it for literally years, finally got around to sending it to heat treat where it apparently had issues on peters part. Then he decided to take the decarbed aka improperly heat treated and carbon leached blanks, and focus all his time and effort on those so he wouldn’t be out of the money for the metal itself. He already admitted Peter didn’t charge him for that heat treat so his only lose is the raw material itself. Why go full steam ahead on those decarbed ugly Betty’s (a term they used to call factory seconds,) when they still have outstanding orders for 5.1’s, 10s and 12’a that are years and years old?
@@christopherlarson7579 peters isn’t bad they do good work and maybe you could call them second to none for operations of that scale. They’re not better than some custom small batch makers though which is all I was nit picking. I’m mainly just frustrated with survive and letting some of that out here so my bad. No one’s ever said survive doesn’t have good fit and finish that’s not why they’ve lost so many customers. I just wish they would stop lying and get more realistic with timeframes. Also he seriously needs to consider changing his business practices if he’s never gonna actually clear that backlog and start spitting things out in thay 90 days claimed timeframe. Maybe he should do mostly small batches and sell what’s available on hand and keep pre orders to a minimum. Enjoy the 5.1 but I would consider thinking of only ordering any future survive products second hand unless Guy actually turns it around over there and makes amends. That’s a tall order. At the very least, I’d say only order directly from them if it’s listed under available now and use a credit card or PayPal because good luck getting a timely refund direct from survive
SCAM DO NOT PURCHASE THIS KNIFE.🤦🏻♂️
Sorry but you are wrong. I have been to the shop and I have 6 of their knives and 2 more on order. They were hit with many problems as Guy has said and they have perseverance. If you are not willing to wait then don’t order and buy in the secondary market for 50% more. In a world of Amazon it is hard to wait but well worth it. All of mine were perfect. I have been waiting for over one year for gso 5.1 but they were kind enough to let me change to gso 5.5 so I have to wait a little longer. In this case you get more than you paid for.
@@imgadgetmanjimhow do you contact them? They don’t reply to emails or anything?
@@CodgersUnitedI believe they have someone to answer emails now. I have sent emails and got reply about 3 months ago. I think they are putting time into trying to catch up on orders more than anything. I have multiple orders I am waiting for but not worried.
They are a scam. Selling seconds to raise money. Sending knives to people who have social media.
They owe knives back to 2015 still.
Stop shilling for them. You loose any creditably defending these thieves.
They’re not a scam, the knives are very high quality. I own three of them. The wait times were a lot faster back then though. I received all of my knives in less than a year from the time I put in my order.
Lol i paid for this blade guys. I guess i said sent it to me but i full paid for it this one was an in stock model about 7 8 months ago