Thanks for the great response to this episode, and to Fred for answering some common queries about communism! We will definitely keep experimenting with the format of the show in the future.
Just watched the US video discussion on Trumpism - a similar format and helpful interplay between the two speakers. Video clips, occasional change of camera angles, etc introduced into the overall piece make it easier to keep the attention of the audience. The videos keep getting better and it’s good that audience feedback is being used to build on format improvements ✊
"While the democratic petty bourgeois want to bring the revolution to an end as quickly as possible, achieving at most the aims already mentioned, it is our interest and our task to make the revolution permanent until all the more or less propertied classes have been driven from their ruling positions, until the proletariat has conquered state power and until the association of the proletarians has progressed sufficiently far - not only in one country but in all the leading countries of the world - that competition between the proletarians of these countries ceases and at least the decisive forces of production are concentrated in the hands of the workers." Marx and Engels, Address to the Central Committee of the Communist League, 1850
l have been a communist for 50 years, not because l believe a communist society is likely to happen, but because l would like it to happen; 'the optimism of the heart and the pessimism of the heaed.'
What ought to happen even after our lifetime WILL still happen. Human mankind is extremely adoptive and canning when it comes to survival. Surviving in future is possible only with Communism
Listening from Brussels! Worker-student, child of North African immigants, and Muslim. I *am* spreading the commie gospel in my social circles 😂 it's catching on 🎉
Nice format and good easy relationship between the two speakers - more like a high level conversation. Common complaints about Communism answered in a friendly way backed up by facts and figures ✊
I’m self employed in horticulture and work for stupid rich people. I’d rather be getting paid by the state repairing environmental degradation than having to explain to a multi-millionaire doctor that plants - living things - require water when we aren’t there the other six days of the week or that plants which literally require snow in winter won’t grow in the tropics. 🤦🏽
@@revcomintern Sweet will definitely keep a watch out for it. I love sharing these easily digestible videos of communism with my friends and family who are open minded and there is always room for me to learn more. Cheers fellow comrades from the US.
01:20 01. What do communists believe? 12:33 02. Why do communists want to take my property? 21:33 03. Why do communist countries have dictators? 25:44 04. Why does communism not work? 33:48 05. Are communists atheists? 43:04 06. Are communists nationalists? 56:26 07. What would communism look like?
Comrades! I am a passionate Indian communist, but i find few trotskyist revolutionary parties in my country. Neither do i know of any party thats affiliated with the International in India. Can you please, please give me information about your branches in India?
Usually in such situations, the best thing you can do is go to the site of the International itself, sign up and include the information about which country you are from, and the International should pass the info about you on to the national section of your country if there is one, who will then get in contact with you.
I really think the frame of "defending Marxism" is a bad one. Why put yourself on the defensive. And ideas don't need defending (outside of academia). Shouldn't ideas be secondary to the goals? How about "Marxism in defense of human beings"? We're fighting for a just world, and we currently think Marxism is a good tool for that. But "defending Marxism" is like the soldier "defending" his sword and shield. When we seem more attached to the idea than the goal, we look like out-of-touch cranks. OK, now I'm going to watch
Hi, there! If you're referring to the name of the RUclips channel, then I believed that it's inspired from Trotsky's 1940's classic In Defence of Marxism!
Sociopaths see life as a game. There's different games but most seek power. "Charismatic sociopath" is a term that alerts us to their ways. If we finally get rid of Capitalism we must watch out for them.
Great dialogue, the correct interpretation of Marxism presented in a conversational medium intelligible to all ( who know English !). Is the Amish Community communist ? 🤔 🧐🕊️
23.00. Russia was a backward country but the USSR despite all its problems was not, it was a peer competitor to the US, it had a space industry, it sent the first man into the universe. All these was done over a period of 30 years.
Just want to broaden the perspective here and note that the beurocracy of the USSR really bloomed after 1953. And in a country based on council democracy one doesn't elect the top, that would open up for the travesty that is personal elections. So, just noting that some of the views of the comrades in this video stems from the fact that they stop learning after adopting Trotskyism. A lot of us do when learning. But most come out of that phase and continue learning. That said, no shadow should fall on fellow comrades in learning, and this is still a good video. ❤
Glad you enjoyed the video! We have plenty of videos on the Russian Revolution, the Soviet Union, the errors of Stalin and the ideas of Lenin and Trotsky if you're interested in our perspective on these matters :)
@@josephattard3964go back to your defeatist shadows, trot. Long live the revolution. Long live lenin. Long live Stalin. Long live Hoxha. Do not act like you are a leninist. You are at best a menshevik. Do not hide behind a fake testament, read lenin. Lenin hated trotsky. And always wanted stalin to lead the USSR.
@@EnverHalilHoxha1917 Hoxha was building a national communist Albania, where progress have not been seen or merely seen. He sat in the committee watching western TV, and having western luxuries and food while telling the working class to build a self-relient utopia. Nutritious food was scarce, cows were working on the land instead of tractors, etc. He also decided to build low-quality bunkers being paranoid of nuclear war, as if he believed in a Stalinist version of Posadism. Later during the fall of USSR, Albania fell as well. Hoxhaism is just a European copy of Juche. And yet, you are saying that Trotskyism is the betrayal to the communist revolution? This seems to be so sad...
@flintinsects trotskyism is acceptance of western proganda such as this comment of yours. Your menshevik ideas hide behind communist slogans, backed up by the bourgeois. He has written more than you have read. And it seems you are illiterate. I told you to read hoxha not list me lies about him. It seems not only can trots not read, but believe in lies spread by capitalists too.
And remember that even in dictatorial socialist republics the standard of living, the economic growth, the technological developments, the emancipation of women and LGBT+ people, all of this aspects were in most socialist projects at the same level or far ahead of capitalist countries of the time, even with economic sanctions, blockades, and military intervention.
22.00. Dictator because of the imperialist media disinformation , also because these countries were and are under siege by the imperialist powers. Michael Parenti discussed this extensively
Now, I guess, you need to make a video called "Trotskyists debunk Marxist-Leninist form of communism" or something like that, because it seems like they are always mad at you.
I mean, we kind of do that all the time anyway whenever we talk about how the soviet union degenerated. I think a video title like the one you suggested would be alienating above all, and the people we want to reach (young communists who haven't found their party yet) wouldn't get much out of it
@amgeheimsten2481 I sympathize with the RCI being an undecided communist at this moment, using my intuition. However, I am highly concerned about if trotskyists are not adapting their knowledge to the conditions in the present. Some MLs and MLMs say they are adapting them, but I could not really see like they are doing it.
@@flintinsects Thanks for commenting! We invite all genuine communists to read/watch our analysis, speak to us about our ideas and ask any questions they might have! If there's any aspect of our programme or perspective you're unclear about, or unconvinced by, drop us a line and we'd love to talk it over :)
Trots at it again! Go back to crying to the western bourgeois to support your revolution against them! Like the mensheviks you are! Don't you see, that the western bourgeois are on YOUR SIDE! Your enemies support you. Do you have the slightest idea, just how absurd it is?? From hoi4, to oversimplified's video on the october revolution, to the many videos on youtube sponsored by bourgeois, our enemies SUPPORT YOU AGAINST ACTUAL COMMUNISTS. You spread anti communist propaganda. You lie about past socialist experiments. You alienise past leaders. The word stalinism that you use IS AN ANTI COMMUNIT WORD. YOU COMMUNIST ARE USING ANTI COMMUNIST TERMINOLOGY. INSULTS. Nobody even unironically calls themselves stalinist. The word is meaningless. It is thrown at people who dont believe lies about him. You and your anti communist friends accuse people who dont hate him of worshipping him. Even when we are critically supportive you think we are a cult. You use the word tankie against communists. You lie about the "holodomor", and the "purge". You believe the western lead protests in socialist countries are spontenous. Even the nazis believed that trotsky was a good weapon to destabilize the USSR. Up until ww2 and even during ww2, thanks to "stalins evil purges" against the trots and anti communists, the nazis couldnt get their spies in the USSR. The USSR would have fallen in 41 if your lord lead the country. The truth is, revolution can work in non western nations. It has improved peoples lives everywhere around the world. Even the nations the revolution didnt happen. Nothing will make up for the fact that you are ideologically illiterate. Read, fken read what your leaders write. Read lenin, read stalin. Baseless made up insults will not save the slaves. It isnt about working class for you is it? Lead people away from revolutionary struggle. Even profit from it.
@@revcomintern I have already met my local RCP comrades in Britain. I could talk to them about it, but I just want to ask if you adapt certain things to the current world and class conditions?
I'm very interested in knowing more about what communism would "look like" in practice today. Are there any current examples of communism functioning well anywhere today?
It should be re-established with new ideas to see. The countries like Cuba or North Korea are based on the old communist ideas, where Korea is even national-communist...
In China, businessmen and billionaires dictate political life, Cuba is under a permanent embargo by America, North Korea has its supreme leader (dictatorship of the elite) who is also under sanctions, so he can only bring food for his people from Russia, Vietnam continues to suffer the consequences of decade war. Nowhere in these countries is there a sharing of capital among the workers, who would further develop their country themselves from the produced capital. Although the workers would not be able to make millionaire investments, they would start a small industry that is crucial for the economic life of the country. The state would take care of the big industry thanks to the raw materials produced in the means of production and trade with other countries.
I would argue that nationalization is not socialism and doesn't give workers any actual control over the means of production. I would also argue that No-one would accept a managerial, but even technical or medical roles if there's no some kind of compensation for the responsibilities and stress they would take on. As far as religion is concerned, the problem is not that marxist is materialistic philosophy, science is not spiritual or religious as well but is a useful tool to understand the universe, the problem is the open hostility towards religions and organized religions specifically, that has been shown since the beginning, not only in so called socialist countries, where religious freedom was actively fought and persecuted, in principle by marxist and socialists or communists, and in practice whenever has been possible. Now, having said that I'm a lifelong socialist and a believer, I have been part of a socialist party many years ago and now I'm again a member of a socialist party, but I do not like at all the general approach towards religion not because comrades are atheists, that's their right, but because of their approach towards it and towards the communities that follow religious rules in their own decision and their legitimate opinions. I think this should change because the historical conditions that made the opposition to religious organization necessary at the rise of modern socialist philosophies, Marxism included, have greatly changed and they were mainly European conditions, where catholic church oppressed the people. This view is historically and specifically eurocentric. Now things are completely different even concerning the catholic church, even though I'm not catholic, I can recognize that.
Ciao compagno, dal nome immagino tu sia italiano, sono un compagno siciliano della ICR/PCR. Siamo d'accordo sul fatto che la nazionalizzazione, sebbene sia sotto controllo operaio e non burocratico-amministrativo con interessi privati anche se statale sotto un governo borghese, non faccia in sé e per sé il comunismo. Ma rimane comunque una rivendicazione necessaria ed "immediata" dei nostri punti fondamentali per costruire quella società socialista, esiste tutta una serie di lotte e di conquiste da fare ma la progressiva capacità e spontaneatezza dei lavoratori sul controllo sul posto di lavoro, della società e delle loro vite rimane decisivo, proprio al fine di creare quel semi-stato operaio di cui parlava Lenin. Crediamo nelle forme più genuine della democrazia operaia e rimettiamo del tutto lo stalinismo in qualsiasi forma. Per quanto riguarda le retribuzioni, il mito dei "salari uguali" è solo, per l'appunto, un mito: crediamo nel salario minimo e nei tetti massimi di salario. Sulla questione religiosa, lo stalinismo ha avuto storicamente oppressivo nei riguardi della religione, noi non vogliamo imporre a nessuno forme di "ateismo di stato", considera che nei paesi dove la libertà di culto non è concessa, noi marxisti lottiamo per la conquista di questo diritto democratico leggitimo. Quello che noi vogliamo è costruire una società sempre più ugualitaria e che possa soddisfare le necessità di ogni essere umano, comunista, al fine di sbarazzarsi progressivamente della religione come strumento di oppressione dei popoli che si appigliano proprio alla miseria delle masse, delle loro umiliazioni e frustrazioni quotidiane che portano a stringere i denti per "paradiso" oltre la vita. Il nostro scopo è proprio quello di costruire quel paradiso in terra e per tutti quanti, avvicinare i proletari credenti alla nostra lotta, e non escluderli o emarginarli come fanno dei gruppi settari. Non credo che la questione sia anacronistica o solo eurocentrica, anzi, credo che sia più attuale che mai oltre che una lotta internazionale. Spero di essere stato esaustivo, se posso chiederti: a quele gruppo appartieni? Grazie ✊️
@communistalberto questi sono discorsi complessi difficili da fare qui, ma provo a rispondere un minimo. Sicuramente la nazionalizzazione è un passo che potrebbe rivelarsi necessario e certamente più semplice di altre alternative, dato il contesto reale ma è proprio quel passo che ha portato alla burocratizzazione e all'inefficienza produttiva sia in URSS che in Italia nelle fabbriche poi privatizzate negli anni 90, basta vedere come funziona la pubblica amministrazione. Inoltre salvo correttivi, alcuni citati nel video, non da alcun controllo ai lavoratori. Non sono un marxista-leninista, ritengo che non esista una filosofia perfetta, questo è un grande problema per i marxisti leninisti ortodossi, perché raramente riescono a rigettare quello che potrebbe essere rigettato e a vedere alternative dove ci sono strade senza via di uscita tra l'altro già percorse. Ritengo che i semi dello stalinismo siano proprio nell'interpretazione blanquista di Lenin del marxismo, e su questo Luxemburg aveva ragione da vendere, e siccome non era veggente forse andrebbe presa più sul serio l'analisi da lei fatta, oltre che, in parte, anche quella di Bakunin. Ritengo il marxismo un potente strumento di analisi dell'economia del capitalismo, ma non infallibile e perfetto, è tantomeno una visione ulteriormente ristretta come il Leninismo, tra le tante versioni. Si è assistito nel tempo ad una trasformazione verso una sorta di religione atea, e questo è un bel problema. Basta vedere solo a titolo di esempio la posizione generalmente diffusa sull'energia nucleare, unica vera fonte energetica di massa per risolvere il cambiamento climatico, ma posteggiata da praticamente tutti nella sinistra socialista comunista anarchica e anche liberale. Perché? Si segue la scienza o la fede? E una domanda retorica, ma questo atteggiamento è ereditato dallincapacita di separare gli strumenti intellettuali buoni dall'ideologia trasformata in fede. Poi: l'oppressione religiosa non si è verificata esclusivamente sotto Stalin, ma anche prima. E anche dopo, visto che non è stata una caratteristica eslcusiva dell'URSS stalinista ne dell'URSS in generale, e se è vero che i marxisti lottano a volte con le minoranze religiosa perseguitato non lo fanno quasi mai, o mai, per il loro diritto di avere una libertà integrale del culto, ma in quanto inquadrano il problema nel tema generale della lotta alla discriminazione delle minoranze, quindi è una questione solitamente interpretata come rivendicazione culturale o razziale, o proletaria in taluni casi, ma non per garantire loro il culto, ma per difendere una minoranza che di solito non è oppressa solo in termini religiosi ma generali. Per quanto riguarda la questione storica ed eurocentrica: il marxismo è nato in Europa ed è una filosofia strettamente legata al contesto storico e culturale europeo, con pregi e difetti. L'illuminismo stesso non poteva verificarsi altrove perché non c'erano altrove le condizioni storiche e culturali che lo avrebbero potuto generare, e non solo in termini positivi ma anche negativi. In altri ambiti culturali la scienza per esempio non aveva nessun bisogno di rivendicare autonomia dal potere religioso, e tutto sarebbe potuto evolvere senza dover necessariamente dar vita al positivismo materialista. Che di per sé è piuttosto illogico in termini di postulati, come lo stesso Einstein ebbe a dire. La reazione contro la religione è perfettamente comprensibile e forse persino necessaria in quel contesto storico europeo, ma non in termini generali. Se per esempio il cristianesimo fosse evoluto linear mente e senza influenze imperiali da quel cristianesimo primitivo discusso anche nel video, le condizioni culturali e storiche anche in Europa sarebbero state differenti, in altri contesti altre religioni sono state forze di liberazione come il cristianesimo primitivo è stato. Poi, ma qui andiamo su un terreno che non c'entra nulla con il socialismo e il suo approccio alla religione solo ne faccio menzione per completezza, la stessa idea, espressa per altro dal video, per cui il semplice fatto che la religione essendo sempre cambiata nella storia e nello spazio, dando vita a miriadi di dei, e culti differenti, dimostrebbe l'inconsisfenza del concetto, è piuttosto superficiale. Se postuliamo l'esistenza di una verità assoluta che per definizione l'essere umano non può comprendere interamente, e evidente che qualsiasi tentativo di comunicarla all'umanità, o di rappresentarla da parte degli esseri umani, deve necessariamente essere parziale, dipendente dalla cultura del luogo, e pertanto variabile nei contesti. Questa non è ovviamente una dimostrazione della verità delle religioni, dimostrazione impossibile, solo una solo una confutazione di tentativi semplicistici di dimostrarne la loro necessaria irrealtà.
They're not smearing, if you read anything from them about these countries they are always pointing to their impressive achievements before pointing to the problems. Personally before reading Trotsky's The Revolution Betrayed I thought it would be full of hatred towards ussr before Trotsky pointed to the achievements of the planned economy before pointing to the problems. We should learn from their mistakes not deify them
@7:00 I see no practical difference between feudalism and capitalism. The latter solves the inheritance problem through shareholding instead of splitting the land like the Franks used to do or get the inheritors to fight for their claim. It resolved somewhat the endless strife and civil wars amongst nobility and landed gentry. The system of guaranteed earnings and rent over a possession, as well as the patronage remains. TLDR the system is still feudal, albeit with less wars and strife at the top. The serfs are still there with the same rights or lack thereof. Any improvements over the past century came about because the militant left scared the bejeezus out of the robber barons. With the fall of the USSR, things have rapidly reverted to past norms. @19:00 you're explaining exactly this. How is it different to feudalism and indentured servitude?
The big difference is the mode of production. In feudalism, you have lords who owns the land and let serfs work on their land in exchange of a tax. The peasent won't go through the market to feed himself. He will produce food on his land. He can produce comodities (things produced meant to be sold on a market) but it will be an extra. The capitalist mode of production is different. There is a capitalist who owns the land or shop or factory (the means of productions). And he gives wages to the worker in exchange for his labor power. The capitalist produce exclusively comodities and feeds himself off of the market. You can have multiple modes of production at the same time in a country. For example sometimes peasents worked some of the days for capitalist farmers in exchange for a wage. But the key difference between the capitalism of then and of today is that it has become generalised. Aka generalised comodity production. The vast majority of people go through the market to fullfill their needs. It has also political differences but I think I will stop there.
I applied to the FInnish Communist party. The chairman, Liisa Taskinen, interviewed me and said no. My reputation from 15 years ago and current child protection custody struggle and my opposition to the transagenda are pretexts.
Also I would disagree. Comrade Fred was super clear, precise and his explanations aren‘t very complex such that „baby-leftists“ won‘t understand it, but they also don‘t lack depth in their analysis!
This is the worst explanation of communism to normies ever. You hit all the wrong boxes. I feel bad for this man having this distorted of a point of view. Communism has nothing to do with this cheap arbitrary moralism hiding behind “scientific class analysis.” Communism is about recognizing an objective process in history and reflecting this politically. Marx said that communism is the real movement of history, and that socialism was born from the contradictions of capitalism. The workers’ struggle obeys this logic and is not aware of it. Communists are the advanced guard that fuses Marxism with the workers’ movement. That is Communism. Not this. When you remove objectivity from Marxism, you remove what makes it scientific in the first place.
If you want to explain Marxism to normies, it’s the overthrow of the ruling monopoly class and establishing sovereign ownership of production. It isn’t this boring Western Marxist gibberish. No disrespect to the old man, who is likely a veteran of the struggle. But he does not describe the Marxist outlook accurately.
Respond to criticism you trots. I dare you. Or just stop with your anti communist videos. Do not hide your anti communist ideas behind symbols, or slogans. Do audiobooks on Lenins books about trotsky. You mensheviks.
@@EnverHalilHoxha1917 in the future I will read Hoxha's ideas, yes, but will it be about building a self-relient utopia? If yes, then I do not want a new society of North Korea to exist. DPRK is literally a neo-feudal state with state-capitalist characteristics today. And about reading what Hoxha did? Well, why would you read then what Trotsky and others did, then arguing they were wrong? This anti-revisionist rhetoric is annoying to me every time I see it...
@flintinsects also to add on top of that, first world will NEVER do a revolution. When they are the beneficiaries of slavery of course. It is the mission of the third world to end their enslavement, so that the west doesnt benefit off of slavery anymore. So that the west can follow.
@flintinsects red herring - nobody said we will recreate north korea. You have admitted that it isnt our goal within the same comment. And about trotsky, oh boy. Trotsky is a defeatist loser who was so sad that he didnt get to ruin the USSR and hand it to the highest bidder. His ideas are menshevik ideas. He betrayed the revolution by working with capitalists against the USSR. Just like the mensheviks. He believes that the west is needed for a revolution or it is doomed to fail, when in reality many past socialist experiments have improved not only theirs but also everyone elses lives by bargaining better living conditions or threatening revolution. While the west never even attempted a proper communist revolution, save a few groups who were immidiately betrayed, killed, tortured and imprisoned by their bourgeois, failing before making a difference. Like the black panthers. (also bernsteins socdem utopia also never became real) You trots think you are so smart when you smugly point out that third world revolutions have mostly failed to form a communist nation, you forget to look at western socialist history for even a second. There isnt much to look at anyway. In short Socdems betrayed the german commies and helped bring hitler to power. Spanish an*rchist idiots failed even with a united front, bacause guess what? Anarchism is shit. As for the americans, well, look into their history yourself it is way too depressing and long for me to write it here. Meanwhile cuba remains the best south american place to live. (Dont make the lib mistake of comparing it to the US, I dont wanna explain it for the 499th time. Dprk is a better place for the proletariat than korea, as it was literally given to the japanese to control by the US after the second world war. Do not cite some western source saying youll be imprisoned and unalived for not having a certain haircut or some other bs like that. Please. And do not point to the lives of bourgeois or the well of sk's and compare it to nk proletariat. The post ussr countries were better off then than now. Poverty and emigration increased with time. Imagine a loser who got killed by his former fans because they realised how big of a loser he is. You dont have to.
Thanks for the great response to this episode, and to Fred for answering some common queries about communism! We will definitely keep experimenting with the format of the show in the future.
@@revcomintern you should look to the American section and how they do like multiple camera angles and insert video clips and graphics. Could help out
@@Titan55555the US comrades do a sterling job with their production, for sure!
Just watched the US video discussion on Trumpism - a similar format and helpful interplay between the two speakers. Video clips, occasional change of camera angles, etc introduced into the overall piece make it easier to keep the attention of the audience. The videos keep getting better and it’s good that audience feedback is being used to build on format improvements ✊
Thank you to whoever had the idea for this episode! This is perfect for showing people who are curious about our ideas. Great work comrades!
Thanks for watching!
I finally get communism after watching a documentary of Karl Marx. I've been gravitating towards it my whole life, I just needed to do the research.
@@brendanhoffmann8402 and be ACTIVE 😉
And before you become a trotskyite. You should know Marx never advocated any "world revolution"
"While the democratic petty bourgeois want to bring the revolution to an end as quickly as possible, achieving at most the aims already mentioned, it is our interest and our task to make the revolution permanent until all the more or less propertied classes have been driven from their ruling positions, until the proletariat has conquered state power and until the association of the proletarians has progressed sufficiently far - not only in one country but in all the leading countries of the world - that competition between the proletarians of these countries ceases and at least the decisive forces of production are concentrated in the hands of the workers." Marx and Engels, Address to the Central Committee of the Communist League, 1850
@@The80sWolf_'workers of the world, unite'
@alex-axton lmao, congrats you can read one line of Marx. But without understanding 😆😆😆😆
This should have been broadcasted globally. 🚩✊️
It has been! On RUclips :) and all good podcast platforms
@@josephattard3964 unfortunately not on BBC
Much love from the Philippines, my fellow toilers. We are in solidarity with you ✊
l have been a communist for 50 years, not because l believe a communist society is likely to happen, but because l would like it to happen; 'the optimism of the heart and the pessimism of the heaed.'
What ought to happen even after our lifetime WILL still happen. Human mankind is extremely adoptive and canning when it comes to survival. Surviving in future is possible only with Communism
Good morning, comrades! Lisbon is listening
Good morning again, comrades! Obrigado!
Boas do Brasil, companheira
Listening from Brussels! Worker-student, child of North African immigants, and Muslim. I *am* spreading the commie gospel in my social circles 😂 it's catching on 🎉
Badass comrade
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You should get in touch with our Belgian comrades if you haven't already! Vonk_com/Marxiste_be
Ya'll really ate on this one. I really appreciated the even tempered mater of fact tone here. No dramatics, just patient explanation.
Good evening comrades! Sarajevo (Bosnia) stands with you.
And we in London send our solidarity! Thanks for tuning in.
You should contact us and join our Yugoslav section of the RCI, we have a branch in Sarajevo.
@@AlexGrga Really? Thnx for the heads up, appreciate it! Where can I do that?
Whatever it was in the USSR -life was wonderful there! The USSR is dearly missed by the majority of soviet people.
Great discussion and analysis, thank you ☭
Glad you enjoyed it!
Solidarity from the heart of the beast🇺🇸👍
Solidarity! What's the mood like with the election results?
Love the thumbnail comrades
Really like the new show and concept!
Thanks! We will keep experimenting with the format.
Great episode!
Ray, Dutch Socialist Party
Greetings from Peshawar Afghanistan
Hope you are doing fine there... RCI needs some support there too.
Nice format and good easy relationship between the two speakers - more like a high level conversation. Common complaints about Communism answered in a friendly way backed up by facts and figures ✊
great explanation that needs to be spread among the working class. hello to comrades from Russia
I’m self employed in horticulture and work for stupid rich people. I’d rather be getting paid by the state repairing environmental degradation than having to explain to a multi-millionaire doctor that plants - living things - require water when we aren’t there the other six days of the week or that plants which literally require snow in winter won’t grow in the tropics. 🤦🏽
Firstly, doctor cares about people, NOT plants. Secondly, do you really think scientists and full-timers were non-existent in the post-Soviet state?
Greetings from Florianópolis, Brazil, comrades!
This was very good. No heavy theory or deep philosophical ideas. Plain English that anyone can understand and empathise with.
Fair play lads.
We hope we managed to explain some theory and philosophy in an understandable way :)
Good episode. This was a really funny idea!
You guys should do another one of these. Your responses were great! I learned a lot!
Glad to hear it! We might well return to this format.
@@revcomintern Sweet will definitely keep a watch out for it. I love sharing these easily digestible videos of communism with my friends and family who are open minded and there is always room for me to learn more. Cheers fellow comrades from the US.
Excellent.
Excellent final 10 minutes comrades in struggle for communism.
Outstanding comrades.
Long Live Communist Revolution🚩
Great video, comrades! I will be sharing this video with others. Solidarity from the US.
Excellent podcast!! Greetings from Trento, Italy ✊
Grazie!
Thanks for the truthful information guys, I certainly appreciate it.
'Marxism is mighty because it is true' - Lenin
Very important, if not most important, to fully understand the Marxist position of ' right of oppressed nations to self determination ' in Ireland. ☘️
Check out 'Ireland: Republicanism & Revolution' - available from Wellred Books!
@marxistcom will do, thanks. ☘️🕊️🌍😉
No, @marxistcom
Excellent episode as always, comrades! Solidarity from the RCA!
Listening from México :)
Cheers, watching you from Spain. Great video.
Hello from Canada, comrades
What a banger - more videos with this kind of format would be awesome
Thanks! We’ll definitely experiment with the format going forward.
Viva La Revolution!
that's a liberal dog whistle
@@phillipanselmo8540 What are you on about?
@@manjiy4185 "viva la revolution" is a dog whistle to the french (bourgeois) revolution
Great idea!
great video keep up the good work
Great episode from RCP Pakistan 🚩🚩
Lal salaam!
Excellent definitions and clarity.
Have you ever discussed Mondragon?
Listening from France! 🚩🔥
Excellent! We need more videos in this style about communism.
Good epsisode.
well done
Amazing :D
Good afternoon from Montreal!
Good work comrades!
Anyway I can get in touch with you guys? I'm in the states?
Yep! Look up the Revolutionary Communists of America.
Fantastic thumbnail & title comrades
Great video comrades, very accessible
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great work! Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮
Thanks!
01:20 01. What do communists believe?
12:33 02. Why do communists want to take my property?
21:33 03. Why do communist countries have dictators?
25:44 04. Why does communism not work?
33:48 05. Are communists atheists?
43:04 06. Are communists nationalists?
56:26 07. What would communism look like?
That's really useful, thanks.
Very nice package of information indeed!
That was the plan! Glad it was useful.
Comrades! I am a passionate Indian communist, but i find few trotskyist revolutionary parties in my country. Neither do i know of any party thats affiliated with the International in India. Can you please, please give me information about your branches in India?
You can fill in the form on our website and we'll get in touch with you: marxist.com/join-us.htm
Usually in such situations, the best thing you can do is go to the site of the International itself, sign up and include the information about which country you are from, and the International should pass the info about you on to the national section of your country if there is one, who will then get in contact with you.
Brilliant episode
Glad you enjoyed it!
How do I contact the show to request guests for talks and interviews?
Feel free to drop a line on social media - all links are in the linktree in the description.
Great video topic choice. 👍
Listening from Manchester, Britain
Excellent work!
Thanks!
Greetings from NorCal
great idea!
I really think the frame of "defending Marxism" is a bad one. Why put yourself on the defensive. And ideas don't need defending (outside of academia). Shouldn't ideas be secondary to the goals? How about "Marxism in defense of human beings"? We're fighting for a just world, and we currently think Marxism is a good tool for that. But "defending Marxism" is like the soldier "defending" his sword and shield. When we seem more attached to the idea than the goal, we look like out-of-touch cranks.
OK, now I'm going to watch
That's useful feedback, thank you.
We’re called the Revolutionary Communist International. In defence of Marxism is just the channel we have where the ideas of Marxism are defended.
Marxism is another failed system.
Hi, there! If you're referring to the name of the RUclips channel, then I believed that it's inspired from Trotsky's 1940's classic In Defence of Marxism!
Algorithme ❤
When I hear "Communism" I think community in power.
Sociopaths see life as a game. There's different games but most seek power. "Charismatic sociopath" is a term that alerts us to their ways. If we finally get rid of Capitalism we must watch out for them.
Great dialogue, the correct interpretation of Marxism presented in a conversational medium intelligible to all ( who know English !). Is the Amish Community communist ? 🤔 🧐🕊️
No. Its somewhat communal but not communist. Communism is society at large.
@DorotheaAntonio good answer, thanks. 🧐 💯🌍🚩
24.00 The bureaucracy which is actually the embourgeoisement of the USSR leadership started by Khrushov.
23.00. Russia was a backward country but the USSR despite all its problems was not, it was a peer competitor to the US, it had a space industry, it sent the first man into the universe. All these was done over a period of 30 years.
that's a nice thinkpad
Our engine of production.
Just want to broaden the perspective here and note that the beurocracy of the USSR really bloomed after 1953. And in a country based on council democracy one doesn't elect the top, that would open up for the travesty that is personal elections. So, just noting that some of the views of the comrades in this video stems from the fact that they stop learning after adopting Trotskyism. A lot of us do when learning. But most come out of that phase and continue learning. That said, no shadow should fall on fellow comrades in learning, and this is still a good video. ❤
Glad you enjoyed the video! We have plenty of videos on the Russian Revolution, the Soviet Union, the errors of Stalin and the ideas of Lenin and Trotsky if you're interested in our perspective on these matters :)
@@josephattard3964go back to your defeatist shadows, trot. Long live the revolution. Long live lenin. Long live Stalin. Long live Hoxha. Do not act like you are a leninist. You are at best a menshevik. Do not hide behind a fake testament, read lenin. Lenin hated trotsky. And always wanted stalin to lead the USSR.
@@EnverHalilHoxha1917 Hoxha was building a national communist Albania, where progress have not been seen or merely seen. He sat in the committee watching western TV, and having western luxuries and food while telling the working class to build a self-relient utopia. Nutritious food was scarce, cows were working on the land instead of tractors, etc. He also decided to build low-quality bunkers being paranoid of nuclear war, as if he believed in a Stalinist version of Posadism. Later during the fall of USSR, Albania fell as well. Hoxhaism is just a European copy of Juche. And yet, you are saying that Trotskyism is the betrayal to the communist revolution? This seems to be so sad...
@flintinsects trotskyism is acceptance of western proganda such as this comment of yours. Your menshevik ideas hide behind communist slogans, backed up by the bourgeois. He has written more than you have read.
And it seems you are illiterate. I told you to read hoxha not list me lies about him. It seems not only can trots not read, but believe in lies spread by capitalists too.
And remember that even in dictatorial socialist republics the standard of living, the economic growth, the technological developments, the emancipation of women and LGBT+ people, all of this aspects were in most socialist projects at the same level or far ahead of capitalist countries of the time, even with economic sanctions, blockades, and military intervention.
22.00. Dictator because of the imperialist media disinformation , also because these countries were and are under siege by the imperialist powers. Michael Parenti discussed this extensively
Now, I guess, you need to make a video called "Trotskyists debunk Marxist-Leninist form of communism" or something like that, because it seems like they are always mad at you.
I mean, we kind of do that all the time anyway whenever we talk about how the soviet union degenerated.
I think a video title like the one you suggested would be alienating above all, and the people we want to reach (young communists who haven't found their party yet) wouldn't get much out of it
@amgeheimsten2481 I sympathize with the RCI being an undecided communist at this moment, using my intuition. However, I am highly concerned about if trotskyists are not adapting their knowledge to the conditions in the present. Some MLs and MLMs say they are adapting them, but I could not really see like they are doing it.
@@flintinsects Thanks for commenting! We invite all genuine communists to read/watch our analysis, speak to us about our ideas and ask any questions they might have! If there's any aspect of our programme or perspective you're unclear about, or unconvinced by, drop us a line and we'd love to talk it over :)
Trots at it again! Go back to crying to the western bourgeois to support your revolution against them! Like the mensheviks you are!
Don't you see, that the western bourgeois are on YOUR SIDE! Your enemies support you. Do you have the slightest idea, just how absurd it is??
From hoi4, to oversimplified's video on the october revolution, to the many videos on youtube sponsored by bourgeois, our enemies SUPPORT YOU AGAINST ACTUAL COMMUNISTS.
You spread anti communist propaganda. You lie about past socialist experiments. You alienise past leaders.
The word stalinism that you use IS AN ANTI COMMUNIT WORD. YOU COMMUNIST ARE USING ANTI COMMUNIST TERMINOLOGY. INSULTS. Nobody even unironically calls themselves stalinist. The word is meaningless. It is thrown at people who dont believe lies about him. You and your anti communist friends accuse people who dont hate him of worshipping him. Even when we are critically supportive you think we are a cult.
You use the word tankie against communists.
You lie about the "holodomor", and the "purge". You believe the western lead protests in socialist countries are spontenous.
Even the nazis believed that trotsky was a good weapon to destabilize the USSR. Up until ww2 and even during ww2, thanks to "stalins evil purges" against the trots and anti communists, the nazis couldnt get their spies in the USSR. The USSR would have fallen in 41 if your lord lead the country.
The truth is, revolution can work in non western nations. It has improved peoples lives everywhere around the world. Even the nations the revolution didnt happen.
Nothing will make up for the fact that you are ideologically illiterate. Read, fken read what your leaders write. Read lenin, read stalin. Baseless made up insults will not save the slaves. It isnt about working class for you is it? Lead people away from revolutionary struggle. Even profit from it.
@@revcomintern I have already met my local RCP comrades in Britain. I could talk to them about it, but I just want to ask if you adapt certain things to the current world and class conditions?
I'm very interested in knowing more about what communism would "look like" in practice today. Are there any current examples of communism functioning well anywhere today?
It should be re-established with new ideas to see. The countries like Cuba or North Korea are based on the old communist ideas, where Korea is even national-communist...
In China, businessmen and billionaires dictate political life, Cuba is under a permanent embargo by America, North Korea has its supreme leader (dictatorship of the elite) who is also under sanctions, so he can only bring food for his people from Russia, Vietnam continues to suffer the consequences of decade war. Nowhere in these countries is there a sharing of capital among the workers, who would further develop their country themselves from the produced capital. Although the workers would not be able to make millionaire investments, they would start a small industry that is crucial for the economic life of the country. The state would take care of the big industry thanks to the raw materials produced in the means of production and trade with other countries.
Just to note that I was talking about socialism. Communism is all the same, but without capital. Capital is the biggest detour in human history.
I would argue that nationalization is not socialism and doesn't give workers any actual control over the means of production. I would also argue that No-one would accept a managerial, but even technical or medical roles if there's no some kind of compensation for the responsibilities and stress they would take on. As far as religion is concerned, the problem is not that marxist is materialistic philosophy, science is not spiritual or religious as well but is a useful tool to understand the universe, the problem is the open hostility towards religions and organized religions specifically, that has been shown since the beginning, not only in so called socialist countries, where religious freedom was actively fought and persecuted, in principle by marxist and socialists or communists, and in practice whenever has been possible. Now, having said that I'm a lifelong socialist and a believer, I have been part of a socialist party many years ago and now I'm again a member of a socialist party, but I do not like at all the general approach towards religion not because comrades are atheists, that's their right, but because of their approach towards it and towards the communities that follow religious rules in their own decision and their legitimate opinions. I think this should change because the historical conditions that made the opposition to religious organization necessary at the rise of modern socialist philosophies, Marxism included, have greatly changed and they were mainly European conditions, where catholic church oppressed the people. This view is historically and specifically eurocentric. Now things are completely different even concerning the catholic church, even though I'm not catholic, I can recognize that.
Ciao compagno, dal nome immagino tu sia italiano, sono un compagno siciliano della ICR/PCR. Siamo d'accordo sul fatto che la nazionalizzazione, sebbene sia sotto controllo operaio e non burocratico-amministrativo con interessi privati anche se statale sotto un governo borghese, non faccia in sé e per sé il comunismo.
Ma rimane comunque una rivendicazione necessaria ed "immediata" dei nostri punti fondamentali per costruire quella società socialista, esiste tutta una serie di lotte e di conquiste da fare ma la progressiva capacità e spontaneatezza dei lavoratori sul controllo sul posto di lavoro, della società e delle loro vite rimane decisivo, proprio al fine di creare quel semi-stato operaio di cui parlava Lenin. Crediamo nelle forme più genuine della democrazia operaia e rimettiamo del tutto lo stalinismo in qualsiasi forma. Per quanto riguarda le retribuzioni, il mito dei "salari uguali" è solo, per l'appunto, un mito: crediamo nel salario minimo e nei tetti massimi di salario. Sulla questione religiosa, lo stalinismo ha avuto storicamente oppressivo nei riguardi della religione, noi non vogliamo imporre a nessuno forme di "ateismo di stato", considera che nei paesi dove la libertà di culto non è concessa, noi marxisti lottiamo per la conquista di questo diritto democratico leggitimo. Quello che noi vogliamo è costruire una società sempre più ugualitaria e che possa soddisfare le necessità di ogni essere umano, comunista, al fine di sbarazzarsi progressivamente della religione come strumento di oppressione dei popoli che si appigliano proprio alla miseria delle masse, delle loro umiliazioni e frustrazioni quotidiane che portano a stringere i denti per "paradiso" oltre la vita. Il nostro scopo è proprio quello di costruire quel paradiso in terra e per tutti quanti, avvicinare i proletari credenti alla nostra lotta, e non escluderli o emarginarli come fanno dei gruppi settari. Non credo che la questione sia anacronistica o solo eurocentrica, anzi, credo che sia più attuale che mai oltre che una lotta internazionale. Spero di essere stato esaustivo, se posso chiederti: a quele gruppo appartieni? Grazie ✊️
@communistalberto questi sono discorsi complessi difficili da fare qui, ma provo a rispondere un minimo. Sicuramente la nazionalizzazione è un passo che potrebbe rivelarsi necessario e certamente più semplice di altre alternative, dato il contesto reale ma è proprio quel passo che ha portato alla burocratizzazione e all'inefficienza produttiva sia in URSS che in Italia nelle fabbriche poi privatizzate negli anni 90, basta vedere come funziona la pubblica amministrazione. Inoltre salvo correttivi, alcuni citati nel video, non da alcun controllo ai lavoratori. Non sono un marxista-leninista, ritengo che non esista una filosofia perfetta, questo è un grande problema per i marxisti leninisti ortodossi, perché raramente riescono a rigettare quello che potrebbe essere rigettato e a vedere alternative dove ci sono strade senza via di uscita tra l'altro già percorse. Ritengo che i semi dello stalinismo siano proprio nell'interpretazione blanquista di Lenin del marxismo, e su questo Luxemburg aveva ragione da vendere, e siccome non era veggente forse andrebbe presa più sul serio l'analisi da lei fatta, oltre che, in parte, anche quella di Bakunin. Ritengo il marxismo un potente strumento di analisi dell'economia del capitalismo, ma non infallibile e perfetto, è tantomeno una visione ulteriormente ristretta come il Leninismo, tra le tante versioni. Si è assistito nel tempo ad una trasformazione verso una sorta di religione atea, e questo è un bel problema. Basta vedere solo a titolo di esempio la posizione generalmente diffusa sull'energia nucleare, unica vera fonte energetica di massa per risolvere il cambiamento climatico, ma posteggiata da praticamente tutti nella sinistra socialista comunista anarchica e anche liberale. Perché? Si segue la scienza o la fede? E una domanda retorica, ma questo atteggiamento è ereditato dallincapacita di separare gli strumenti intellettuali buoni dall'ideologia trasformata in fede. Poi: l'oppressione religiosa non si è verificata esclusivamente sotto Stalin, ma anche prima. E anche dopo, visto che non è stata una caratteristica eslcusiva dell'URSS stalinista ne dell'URSS in generale, e se è vero che i marxisti lottano a volte con le minoranze religiosa perseguitato non lo fanno quasi mai, o mai, per il loro diritto di avere una libertà integrale del culto, ma in quanto inquadrano il problema nel tema generale della lotta alla discriminazione delle minoranze, quindi è una questione solitamente interpretata come rivendicazione culturale o razziale, o proletaria in taluni casi, ma non per garantire loro il culto, ma per difendere una minoranza che di solito non è oppressa solo in termini religiosi ma generali. Per quanto riguarda la questione storica ed eurocentrica: il marxismo è nato in Europa ed è una filosofia strettamente legata al contesto storico e culturale europeo, con pregi e difetti. L'illuminismo stesso non poteva verificarsi altrove perché non c'erano altrove le condizioni storiche e culturali che lo avrebbero potuto generare, e non solo in termini positivi ma anche negativi. In altri ambiti culturali la scienza per esempio non aveva nessun bisogno di rivendicare autonomia dal potere religioso, e tutto sarebbe potuto evolvere senza dover necessariamente dar vita al positivismo materialista. Che di per sé è piuttosto illogico in termini di postulati, come lo stesso Einstein ebbe a dire. La reazione contro la religione è perfettamente comprensibile e forse persino necessaria in quel contesto storico europeo, ma non in termini generali. Se per esempio il cristianesimo fosse evoluto linear mente e senza influenze imperiali da quel cristianesimo primitivo discusso anche nel video, le condizioni culturali e storiche anche in Europa sarebbero state differenti, in altri contesti altre religioni sono state forze di liberazione come il cristianesimo primitivo è stato. Poi, ma qui andiamo su un terreno che non c'entra nulla con il socialismo e il suo approccio alla religione solo ne faccio menzione per completezza, la stessa idea, espressa per altro dal video, per cui il semplice fatto che la religione essendo sempre cambiata nella storia e nello spazio, dando vita a miriadi di dei, e culti differenti, dimostrebbe l'inconsisfenza del concetto, è piuttosto superficiale. Se postuliamo l'esistenza di una verità assoluta che per definizione l'essere umano non può comprendere interamente, e evidente che qualsiasi tentativo di comunicarla all'umanità, o di rappresentarla da parte degli esseri umani, deve necessariamente essere parziale, dipendente dalla cultura del luogo, e pertanto variabile nei contesti. Questa non è ovviamente una dimostrazione della verità delle religioni, dimostrazione impossibile, solo una solo una confutazione di tentativi semplicistici di dimostrarne la loro necessaria irrealtà.
the peasants are revolting
HAHAAAAHA 1:01:38
Me too
does Fred have Romanian ancestry? Because the saying "Do what the priest says, not what the priest does" is an extremely common saying in Romania
Not that I'm aware!
It would seem that priests are the same the world over. My mother was from Southern Italy...
He's mostly of Italian background from what I know
Trotskyists not smearing 20th Century Socialist projects challenge (impossible).
They're not smearing, if you read anything from them about these countries they are always pointing to their impressive achievements before pointing to the problems. Personally before reading Trotsky's The Revolution Betrayed I thought it would be full of hatred towards ussr before Trotsky pointed to the achievements of the planned economy before pointing to the problems. We should learn from their mistakes not deify them
Stalin was not a dictator
Yeah ... Karl Marx died way too early.
@7:00 I see no practical difference between feudalism and capitalism. The latter solves the inheritance problem through shareholding instead of splitting the land like the Franks used to do or get the inheritors to fight for their claim. It resolved somewhat the endless strife and civil wars amongst nobility and landed gentry. The system of guaranteed earnings and rent over a possession, as well as the patronage remains.
TLDR the system is still feudal, albeit with less wars and strife at the top. The serfs are still there with the same rights or lack thereof. Any improvements over the past century came about because the militant left scared the bejeezus out of the robber barons. With the fall of the USSR, things have rapidly reverted to past norms.
@19:00 you're explaining exactly this. How is it different to feudalism and indentured servitude?
Generalised commodity production. Both are systems for expropriating unpaid labour.
The big difference is the mode of production. In feudalism, you have lords who owns the land and let serfs work on their land in exchange of a tax. The peasent won't go through the market to feed himself. He will produce food on his land. He can produce comodities (things produced meant to be sold on a market) but it will be an extra. The capitalist mode of production is different. There is a capitalist who owns the land or shop or factory (the means of productions). And he gives wages to the worker in exchange for his labor power. The capitalist produce exclusively comodities and feeds himself off of the market.
You can have multiple modes of production at the same time in a country. For example sometimes peasents worked some of the days for capitalist farmers in exchange for a wage. But the key difference between the capitalism of then and of today is that it has become generalised. Aka generalised comodity production. The vast majority of people go through the market to fullfill their needs. It has also political differences but I think I will stop there.
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I applied to the FInnish Communist party. The chairman, Liisa Taskinen, interviewed me and said no. My reputation from 15 years ago and current child protection custody struggle and my opposition to the transagenda are pretexts.
Mmm... don't know, I prefer capitalism still.
You know what? Better than trotskyism. At least you are brave and honest. These people are hiding behind communist masks and slogans.
@@EnverHalilHoxha1917 what can potential hoxhaist say, why Trotskyism is bad?
trots can be dumb sometimes
You need better speakers to show what communism really means, and speakers who can say what should be done about the capitalist mess now.
we have many, many other podcast/youtube episodes + articles that I imagine will answer your lingering questions!
Also I would disagree. Comrade Fred was super clear, precise and his explanations aren‘t very complex such that „baby-leftists“ won‘t understand it, but they also don‘t lack depth in their analysis!
This is the worst explanation of communism to normies ever. You hit all the wrong boxes. I feel bad for this man having this distorted of a point of view.
Communism has nothing to do with this cheap arbitrary moralism hiding behind “scientific class analysis.” Communism is about recognizing an objective process in history and reflecting this politically. Marx said that communism is the real movement of history, and that socialism was born from the contradictions of capitalism. The workers’ struggle obeys this logic and is not aware of it. Communists are the advanced guard that fuses Marxism with the workers’ movement. That is Communism. Not this.
When you remove objectivity from Marxism, you remove what makes it scientific in the first place.
If you want to explain Marxism to normies, it’s the overthrow of the ruling monopoly class and establishing sovereign ownership of production. It isn’t this boring Western Marxist gibberish. No disrespect to the old man, who is likely a veteran of the struggle. But he does not describe the Marxist outlook accurately.
Respond to criticism you trots. I dare you. Or just stop with your anti communist videos. Do not hide your anti communist ideas behind symbols, or slogans. Do audiobooks on Lenins books about trotsky.
You mensheviks.
Was Enver Hoxha a 'real' communist? And if yes, then how?
@flintinsects read hoxha. Do not read ABOUT him. Do not look up stuff online. Read his books directly.
@@EnverHalilHoxha1917 in the future I will read Hoxha's ideas, yes, but will it be about building a self-relient utopia? If yes, then I do not want a new society of North Korea to exist. DPRK is literally a neo-feudal state with state-capitalist characteristics today.
And about reading what Hoxha did? Well, why would you read then what Trotsky and others did, then arguing they were wrong? This anti-revisionist rhetoric is annoying to me every time I see it...
@flintinsects also to add on top of that, first world will NEVER do a revolution. When they are the beneficiaries of slavery of course.
It is the mission of the third world to end their enslavement, so that the west doesnt benefit off of slavery anymore. So that the west can follow.
@flintinsects red herring - nobody said we will recreate north korea.
You have admitted that it isnt our goal within the same comment.
And about trotsky, oh boy.
Trotsky is a defeatist loser who was so sad that he didnt get to ruin the USSR and hand it to the highest bidder.
His ideas are menshevik ideas. He betrayed the revolution by working with capitalists against the USSR. Just like the mensheviks.
He believes that the west is needed for a revolution or it is doomed to fail, when in reality many past socialist experiments have improved not only theirs but also everyone elses lives by bargaining better living conditions or threatening revolution. While the west never even attempted a proper communist revolution, save a few groups who were immidiately betrayed, killed, tortured and imprisoned by their bourgeois, failing before making a difference. Like the black panthers. (also bernsteins socdem utopia also never became real)
You trots think you are so smart when you smugly point out that third world revolutions have mostly failed to form a communist nation, you forget to look at western socialist history for even a second. There isnt much to look at anyway.
In short Socdems betrayed the german commies and helped bring hitler to power.
Spanish an*rchist idiots failed even with a united front, bacause guess what? Anarchism is shit.
As for the americans, well, look into their history yourself it is way too depressing and long for me to write it here.
Meanwhile cuba remains the best south american place to live. (Dont make the lib mistake of comparing it to the US, I dont wanna explain it for the 499th time.
Dprk is a better place for the proletariat than korea, as it was literally given to the japanese to control by the US after the second world war. Do not cite some western source saying youll be imprisoned and unalived for not having a certain haircut or some other bs like that. Please. And do not point to the lives of bourgeois or the well of sk's and compare it to nk proletariat.
The post ussr countries were better off then than now. Poverty and emigration increased with time.
Imagine a loser who got killed by his former fans because they realised how big of a loser he is. You dont have to.
Trotskyite media unfollowed
Nothing of value was lost
I don't think we'll recover from this one guys!!!!!!
Implying you were following at some point? I’m confused.
@lecroissanth yes
@@alexanderpalmer302 Recover like you were in any position to begin with? Check views lmao
So cringey
You have not watched a video, did not you?
Your unwavering devotion to a dying social and economic system is cringe.
You may as well tell me you believe in Zoaraster.
Their only fault in this podcast is that they did not understand the immutability of the Abrahamic faith over the millennias.
@@leaves_from_a_tree and it's ability to pose as friend of the left
@@celestialteapot309 🤣🤣🤣
@@celestialteapot309 And how did you conclude that God does not protect the weak and powerless?
@leaves_from_a_tree because morality is a human construct