Sixteen Broken Valve Rockers Ford Mondeo Mk5 2L Diesel psa engine
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- Sixteen Broken Valve Rockers Ford Mondeo Mk5 2L Diesel psa engine.
Under circumstances unknown the camshaft drive belt has shed 10 of its teeth resulting in 16 broken valve rockers.
ford mondeo 2litre duratorq diesel engine....
Great video. The dw10 is a great engine. The valves on this engine are perpendicular to the piston so don’t bend. Had a Similar problem on my Citroen Picasso.
I was thinking that the sacrificial Valve Rockers were a brilliant idea but the price is shocking, i wouldn't let a timing belt go more than 50000 miles dont care what the manufacturers say, they want to sell £200 rockers, thanks for the video you deserve a beer or two.
2017 peugeot traveller and 55k miles. Aux belt snapped and crept through a gap into into the cambelt. And guess what! 16 broken rockers :(
Peugeot wanted £7500 to replace the engine. Thieves and tosspots. No warranty cover despite low milage. Brought it home and at £6.29 a rocker a cheap fix. Water pump set £99, new aux belt kit, crank sensor, fingers crossed its one in the eye for main dealerships.
Many thanks for sharing the vid and outcome. It was like watching an episode of Jasper Carrott! : )))
And a timing chain...
if you can do the job yourself, yes you will save a fortune, just time
Back in maybe 2014 or 2015, when I was running my first shop in a different town a customer came up to me and asked me to change the engine on his Fiat Scudo which had the old 90hp 2.0 HDi psa engine. I asked him why and he said because the cambelt had snapped. I didn't have personal experience on those kind of situations yet but I knew they would snap the rockers rather than bend the valves. A friend of mine had a spare head with rockers and we made a deal that my friend would provide the used rockers and I would fit the engine with those and a new belt-kit. It was a success and the customer was astonished that I saved him from a situation in which another shop would have swapped the whole engine.
But when it comes to these newer psa diesel engines you have provided some very valuable insight for me because I don't work on these every day - as I do work on with anything with an engine. But the knowledge on those special situations and trouble codes and how to cope with them has shed some important light for me. And that is what I wanted to thank you for!
Thanks to you Alan! If I wouldn`t found your video I wouldn`t repaired my wifes 2.2d mk4 after timing belt failure. Had also 16 broken valve rockers. Changed all what was reasonable and carbon cleaned the intake and it drives like it should be!
I did a Pug 208, 1.6 diesel 8 valve, snapped it's camshaft for no reason that I could find, replaced the rockers ( only snapped 5 although I did replace all 8 for new ones ) and new camshaft, and the car ran fine afterwards and yes I did a little dance when it started not as good as Alan's
lmao
I've been using your video's as a guide to doing the cambelt on my S Max as it's the same engine. Failed at the first attempt as I couldn't get the crank pulley bolt out put will have another go tomorrow this, time heating the bolt with a heat gun as you recommended in another video. Needs doing as it's done 135000 miles though the belt looks pristine. They do seem to last well past the recommended interval as long as they're not contaminated with oil. Anyway, thanks for making such informative videos.
cheers
Warm beer or cold tea,whats worse.Great video again.
Had some fun and games with my mk4 petrol mondeo. Had some new petrol injectors fitted and it turned out one of them was faulty. It was so bad it stopped the oxygen sensor from switching! Threw up a fault code telling me a misfire on cylinder 3. Cleaned the sensor up put the old injector in and no more problems. Even new parts can be faulty like that feckin n/s rear wheel bearing! Also fitted a new intake manifold because there was a slight rattle coming from the old one it turned out there was a bit of play from the control rod but a bit of peace of mind. A new one cost me £79 and fitted perfect with no problems. 37mpg from a 2.0 petrol ain't bad at all.....
This happened to my Audi, automatic, as I pulled off the cam belt snapped. Took the engine cover off and 5 rockers were snapped, and 2 completely in half. Still to this day don’t understand how. No loud bangs when the cam belt snapped, no bent vales, no marks on the pistons! Crazy
Štart only repas injector and finish change engine...QXBA....best video man....
I have one of those engines in my car. I love it. When the car is worn the engine is going into my boat.
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Thanks alot for the Video Alan I work at this shop where we got this Mondeo and had the same problem now with your videos made my job very easy and for these video the issue with this Mondeo still unsolved because we stil don’t know what causes the issue 😂 cheers from Valencia,Spain 🇪🇸👍🏼
cheers miguel, i have a video here which is probably the reason your cam belt teeth sheered.. ruclips.net/video/eDgkG_lZeJo/видео.html
Hello Alan now everything make sense to me thanks a lot I really appreciate it I will remove the Pump in the morning and put it back as it goes and align it with the camshaft in the right position.... I learn something different everyday!!!
@@alan4x I saw and hear a few problems like these it seems to be only on automatic gear. What do you think about it? Two problems was under 80000 miles.
These PSA engines are bulletproof. I had this on dv6c at 177 original belt. Most likely it has not been changed last time at 100 k
Fantastic job, Alan! I could feel the success making you happy. Cheers!
lmao
I know this is old,but you're a genius !!!!
What a feeling when you fix it right the first time
You're the man who can and no mistaking 😅😂😆👍👌
Loool I could feel that joy, job well done.
lol
That feeling before start up........but its good when it runs ok :}
I think that your right. Over reved to slow down or selected the wrong gear. Someone I know used to replace transit gearboxes because of the same drivers error.
Beautiful. I learned a lot from Alan.
Worlds Best diesel engine
Allen
Simply Magic you are a natural entertainer
Phil and jackie in stoke
Its been banged into second gear at 70 mph.
that sounds like the answer....if you saw the driver...lets say, he is not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed
Alan you no your stuff grate nolage on fords i have mk 4 not a bad car. Be seeing you 😆
cheers
Oh man, that trash can scene went wrong! Thanks for making the video, it's good to know that these engines can survive a cam belt rupture. Btw, I also liked the scene of drinking tea prior to turning the key. I also know this feeling when you like to postpone the verdict!
lol
Sometimes the camshaft sprockets spin on the camshaft ever so slightly when the belt goes. The timing chain sprocket just to add.
Psa seems good at diesel engines. Good design cracking the rockers.
all of a sudden i like psa lol
@@alan4x probably the best idea they have had for a long time! shame the rest of the cars are so rubbish (when in a PSA shell, naturally. the Fords at least seem better wired up than the french ones!)
We had 1 similar come through the door the other day was an auto and had downshifted randomly and over revved the engine so you maybe correct in your case!
Alan mate, you're funny as hell! 14:04 onward
cheers😜
Holy fucking shit. That's amazing. I would've bet very heavily on, that the engine isn't going to run :)
lol
It's durable engine then. I use company car Opel Zafira life driven with, i think, successor (DW10FDDU) of this engine. Only noticeable difference does include diesel filter without water drain and auxiliary pump in tank. There is another chain down below....😁
How long do these taxis sit in traffic every day?How long are they idling in winter to keep the driver warm?The odometer reading obviously wont measure it.The belt life does suffer as a result.
Taxis arn't hammered it's a myth half the time they have passengers in and many unfamiliar with the driver so drivers consequently subconsciously try their best to avoid abrubt braking especially at traffic lights because it makes passengers nervous.
@@marklittler784Im not sure why this is relevant Mark?
@@robbiefottrell6643 I though it would be harsh acceleration that would strain the belt but with pasengers you are far less likely to do that most drivers dont sit with engine idling if they can help it.
Love your vids mate, good spot on knowledge, good visual detail on what you are doing - and a few laughs chucked in.
That's mental, I don't even own a Mk5 and now I'm racking my brain, what could have stripped all those teeth and smashed 16 rockers - yet not totally pumped the engine!!
Had any oil, even a tiny bit, leaked onto the belt?? Bizarre
belt was dry, oil level was correct.... it was the driver downshifted from 5th gear to second no doubt
@@alan4x absolute nugget 😂😂😂
I have the same problem right now, same mondeo same motor but powershift automatic. Don't downshift. Workshop have no idea what happened
@@ripkosr I had the exact same problem, same engine with Powershift. It was in S, overtook a car, then slowed down, the powershift changed gears (downshifting, of course) at somehow higher revs that in Drive, then suddenly the belt snapped. One of the cams simply changed position, and spun on the camshaft, and all cams were scratched on that camshaft. The other was perfectly fine, yet the shop asked to be changed for warranty to be given, they also changed the chain, the water pump, the chain tensioner and the fuel pump \o/. After the repair, few miles later, the car stopped while climbing. The injectors were contaminated with debris. It had 65000 miles. New repair bill. This isn't a car, is a sad joke. Something is very wrong with these engines, this shouldn't happen ....
Same thing happened to my MK4, only broke 8 rockers though, all exhaust
You are a very funny man!!!!.....and thanks to what Monica had in her draws she helped you have a Happy Ending!!
thanks
Good shot mate but bloody bottle broken,,, ;-) great video Alan, Regards to Monica non alc friend ;-))))
lol
Best video yet!
We all mock French cars but they do have some of best diesels going!
I thought you said you had a bad feeling before starting the engine.....but that all changed in a few seconds to .....I knew that
Great vid thanks! Ford parts are stupid money, I paid £150 for a temp sensor for my Mk4 Mondeo.
Almost no generic parts available, unlike my Land Rover! Thought I recognised your cars, you're just up the road from me!
Cup of tea before starting guarantees success.....
lol😊
Even without knowing the reason for the missing 10 teeth of the timing-belt, you managed to get the engine running again, and let's hope the same problem won't come back.
I just checked the prices of the parts and have the impression that you paid way too much for all the new pieces. I live in France but can't imagine that there's such a difference in price of the parts between the UK and France. One thing I didn't know, and that I didn't hear you talking about is that there is supposedly a difference (looking at the part N°'s), between inlet and exhaust rockers. ATB, Peter.
all the parts are genuine ford .... there is no difference between inlet and exhaust rockers on this engine
@@alan4x So it looks like Ford is filling their pockets, I don't think that they make these parts themselfs, and not even the boxes with "FORD genuine parts" marked on them. Found a set of 16 in the UK too, not in a Ford marked box though
www.lymmengineparts.co.uk/ford-2-0-16v-tdci-roller-rocker-arm-set-of-16 or are these different ? ATB, Peter.
For what it's worth I worked for a very well known brand of car parts, particularly on the power-train division. From under the same roof came out parts for Peugeot/Citroen, Ford, Volvo, Fiat, Mercedes, Mini, GM/Opel/Vauxhall... etc. Even for the good ol' Harley Davidson motorcycles!!
So when you guys think about the "sweet lovely brand" from US, UK, France, Germany or whatever. Please keep this in mind.
BTW Just by curiosity, the factory is in Portugal!! No French, Germans, etc. in the vicinity! LOL 😂
The name of the game is cost per unit. Full stop. Nothing more, nothing less.
Quality is an individual choice of a particular brand. Meaning they individually set their goals, quality control level, quality control tests, etc.
When you see the old Top Gear, Jeremy Clarkson stating that payed >800 pounds for his Mercedes V8 or V12 OEM ignition coils. That costed about 12.5 EUROS/unit at the factory...without the "Mercedes" box or transportation. Just the plain part at the end of the production line.
Curiously the PSA (Peugeot/Citroen) equivalent went for around 2.5€ in the same conditions.
Makes you think it's a damn nice business for someone! ;-)
Hello
In the meantime, if you don't mind, did you find out what the cause was?
Hi Alan,
I’m a big fan of your videos and I really appreciate your expertise in automotive mechanics. I have a question regarding the flywheel timing of my PSA 2.0L BlueHDi engine.
I need to pin the flywheel to perform some maintenance, but I’m not sure about the exact diameter of the pin to use. Additionally, I’ve noticed that there are two holes on the gearbox (MANUAL GEARBOX!!!!!) and I’m unsure which one to use. Could you give me some advice on the correct pin diameter and which hole to use?
Thanks in advance for your help!
if that's the same engine as goes in the mk5 Mondeo it will be the lower hole..I made a vid on it, check the link. .ruclips.net/video/JH3KBlkAYAI/видео.htmlsi=YNU_mu-WM62TUCab
Top video Alan 😄 But keeping us in suspense is not funny haha 😂You should of got Monica to turn the engine and made her jump 🤣🤣 Great stuff as always thanks Stevie 😎
lol
I've got a focus st tdci with that engine 31k all she's done took engine cover off and I really dont wanna fix it if owt goes wrong with it haha. Great video alan. I've been watching your video since the lynx wet belt job!
Lynx engines damage pistons, snap cams etc when timing fails.
@@prawny12009 they certainly do.
Friggin winner , top vid Allen .
Becks is not a beer my friend, try a real bavarian beer like Augustiner or Augustiner Edelstoff (Premium Version of the "normal" Augustiner) more Alc and more bitter. But both works very well 😉 If u want some, just tell me 😄
cheers😜
Nice one!
I tell you what you are a born teacher, Fred Dibna eat your heart out!
Lost some teeth on my mk4 mondeo belt so will be checking the rocker arms this weekend, my local garage mentioned the cam lobs can move as they are an interference fit on the camshaft, have you ever known this to happen on a mk4 mondeo??
not happened to me but worth checking anyway just in case
Happened on 14 deisel fiesta
Btw - one of the funniest videos :D
Thanks you explain amazing
Thanks Your video goodjob
It's strange how you say you've had loads of Mk4s with broken rockers...every one we've encountered has spun the pressed-on lobes on the camshaft, resulting in two new camshafts required. Haven't seen a broken rocker. Same with Kuga.
I've just had the same thing on my mk4 mondeo, one of the lobes on my exhaust cams has spun 180 degrees and broken the rockers but still no bent valves
Maybe get a 50 pound endoscope like Scotty and see if there are any serious marks on the pistons.
Happaned on mine, the dealership said needed a new engine £8k later, ford contributed £4k but was still a bitter peel to swallow. My milage was 96k at the time from New.
Great video I work on a fleet of ivecos and it's always the drivers fault lol
My dad has a daily 35s11 from 2002 and the only problem so far is the rust. 260.000 km on the clock. He hauls 3 tons with that thing.
Wich generation you think is the best?
@@IliescuBenyamin your dad has the best iveco anything up to 2006 is great most of our fleet it 2012 plus with the 3ltr fiat engine constant dpf problems
lmao
i have no idea... my only dealings with an iveco was an old 29 seat bus that needed front torsion bar bushes
that surprises me. not had a decent experience with an iveco since about a 2005 model (the vans with the rectangle headlights and the gearstick into the floor rather than on the dash). they were RUBBSIH after that.
I have a possible theory about the cause of this. Is it possible a rocker arm snapped and momentarily jammed the cam? The belt would grip the cam pulley as it has far more teeth but would rip the teeth on the smaller Crankshaft pulley. Once the snapped rocker fell away the cams could rotate again but, with the timing now a long way out causing piston to valve contact on the other cylinders. Resulting in breaking the other rocker arms.
Could be to much oil pressure getting to hydraulic tappets , heard of it on some v 8 yanks , mind you it normally inflates oil filter housing , you can tell roughly if it has bent valves turn it over before fitting cam shafts you can fill compression , if not sure hold down each valve fill difference
The reason why this happened is due to the flat battery if you bump start and tow start it will either damage the pump and timing belt we tow start a transit diesel before and it ripped the timing belt off
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 if your snapping cam belts from snatch starts then you have no clue how to tow start a car
If you ever suspect that an engine was over revved enough to float valves,, look closely at the cam lobes for pitting on the closing ramp. That will tell a story.
Well somebody has to pay for the bubbly at Peugeot's Christmas Parties ! 😂
lol
I just had the exact same issue with the timing belt (10 teeth) just put a new one on and no start so will follow your video and open up the engine a bit. Thanks a lot for your help. Did the car run fine after that? still no idea what caused the problem?
hi, you will probably find that all the valve rockers are cracked in the middle and will need replacing although none of the valves will be bent so no need to remove the cylinder head. the car i did was perfectly fine....chances are the reason the teeth stripped on your cam belt is because the high pressure fuel pump on the other end of the exhaust camshaft has probably been removed at some point and not timed up when it was refitted...i have a video on how to time up the fuel pump if it has been removed so if you can't find it on my channel let me know and i will send you the link
Sometimes man you just have to have faith.
Driver stall the engine trying to start uphill , car starts to move backward, he release the clutch and spin engine backward. Belt tensioner is loosing tension and timing belt jumps out. Then he trises to run the engine and valves are done.
Hi mate..
I have seen this before on the dv10 or the mk 5 mondeo and 5.5
The reason is the pump timing is pf related to the cam.
This happens often when people dont time the pump.. it will run mint with the timing way off..
People often remove the pump due to oil leaks
But the load on the belt is way of and over time this happens or it shreeds
EUROREPAIRS
Hi. Brilliant
Thanks for your info.. I have just found out this information which certainly rings true.
I think I will put out a short video explaining this
Crazy man
Top video cheers
Just done 14 deisel fiesta I rocker broke and cam twisted , I am wondering if vacuum pump faulty as it was completely full of oil spun ok , perhaps vacuum pump filling up with oil ? Jamming it ?
Hi buddy. My 2.0L Kuga has just stripped the timing belt too (albeit my own fault for not changing it in time). My rockers are all destroyed too.
The timing belt went under hard accelleration. Just when I shifted from 2nd to or 4th. I didn't overrev, but it was actually a drop in RPM.
I'd assume that the innertia of the head vs the reduciton in speed of the counterrotation shaft is enough to slip the belt and that causes it to just tear itself ot part inside the engine.
I hope my valves and camshaft survived.
never had a bent valve on those engines but pay good attention to camshaft lobes....that they are all sitting in order...new camshafts are not that expensive but chances are they will be ok
125k or 10 years would be for the car in normal usage. A taxi leads a harder life and so the interval is shorter under arduous conditions, auto data specs a lower interval change.
dbamsey1 so what is it for a taxi place
Hello Alan, why does the timing belt often lose teeth in the engine? Is the belt itself a problem or a water pump? It looks like the motor is somehow blocked and the toothed belt loses its teeth
Teeth sheer with age, the tend to start humming before failure
Hi Alan. I have a focus st with this same engine. Recently had a problem with shell on conrod 3. And oil pump pick up caught all the swarf. Question is... the chain for the oil pump yo crankshaft seemed very loose. Do you have any knowledge regarding this please?. Or any videos?
the chain for the oil pump is loose as it has no tensioner on it...nothing to worry about
@@alan4x OK thanks. I always wondered about the tapping from cold. People always said it was normal. Will fit a new chain anyway. I don't suppose you have a video of this chain in situe? Thanks mate.. And keep making the videos.
@@alan4x got another question if you don't mind. Can the piston be removed from below with crank out of the way?.
@@keithmullins2895 hi, yes you can probably pull the piston out from below but problem is to refit it you would need a piston ring compressor and i don't think you will be able to refit the piston
With that tappet cover off it looks allot like a volvo engine... Also silicone is tough to get off sometimes... I use shelaq on my moters... Works much better.
You mean the Volvo engine that was built by peugeot citroen
@@TonyTony-xj6uv which one?
@@mustangboss1246 most of them they was built and designd between peugeot and bmw but bmw only ever used the block volvo ford and peugeot all used the same 2.0 and 1.6 the d5 was volvos own
@@TonyTony-xj6uv ah ok yes.worked on a guys Volvo s60 D5. It's a good moter but no space to work. . I've got a 94 850 2.3 t5 that stripped 2 crank pulleys. The first time I bent 11 valves. 2nd time I got lucky. But it seems the splines on the crank are verry shallow. It stripped 2 days after the first time I put it on the drag strip😂
@@mustangboss1246 - For what it's worth the HDI/TDCI and a few other designations diesel engines. Nowadays count some 12 million units out there!!
A staggering number for sure and an industrial feat, no less.
From the old HDI 2.0 passing trough the 1.4, 1.6, 2.0, 2.2... and can be found in PSA (Peugeot/Citroen), Fiat group, Ford, Volvo, Mazda, Opel/Vauxhall... Just to mention the most obvious. ;-)
Great vid
AT 7 min:10 I'm thinking to pressurize the cylinders thru the spark plug holes and see if you have compression. Why try to start it at that time. Interference motors are that way.
bravo
Hello Alan. Do hydraulic tappets need to be reset when replacing the timing chain ? Regards, Jarek
Hi Alan, may I ask why the engine has a rocker arm and tappet instead of direct cam on valve with a bucket on this engine since it's DOHC.
For the purpose shown in this video; to create a weak link in the chain that will save the engine from destruction and can be fixed without removing the head. If it had a cam-on-bucket valve train, this event would have destroyed the whole engine.
Are them cam lobes pressed on these engines ?
DW10FUD engine code.
If the piston pushes the valve would it kick the piston over and damage the bore?
no, not at all
Alan, what about Mondeo (2008-2010) 2.2tdci 175hp (PSA) engine? Brokes only rockers or valves too?
Only rockers, I just experienced that belt failure!
Do you know the part numbers for the rocker clips?
My Fiesta 1.4 TDCI snapped the cambelt,
Only two broken rockers but there is not one clip on the rockers so i think it has done it before and they forgot to move them over
Best regards
Martin
Did you say the timing belt is rated for 125 000 MILES?Here they are rated at 120 000 ish KM or 5 years for most brands
yes it is 125 k miles here
Hello from Germany. Why is the toothed belt torn? How many kilometers did the Mondeo run? Have the same with 130000 km. Should I change the toothed belt? Greetings Dennis
the toothed belt failed because the high pressure fuel pump was not timed correctly to the engine
@@alan4x would you please give some more hints about? I have 4 times the same problem and locally no mechanic solve it correctly! :( Engine is MK4 2.0 140hP PSA
Excellent video Alan 👍
Nice job😃🤣😂
How is the hp fuel pump driven. Mine was a very poor quality fuel issue resulting in seized fuel pump snapping the intake cam pulley clean off and 2 snapped followers.
Holy shit 😎
Hello.
Alan have you had any cases of damaged head gasket in 2.0tdci 150/180ps? Or any problems with mixed oil and coolant?
hey buddy, i have problem with my chevy Aveo 1.5 , 8 rocker arms are damaged some are broken , i would like to know what are the causes to avoid them in future. thanks
Number one !
Good morning Alan, I was trying to look for contact details for you but struggling to find any. I wanted to ask you if you'd know does the mk4 Mondeo share the same chassis as the generation 1 smax, in particular a 2011 smax? I'm after a few aftermarket performance bits for my smax but sadly theres nothing available but there appears to be bits for the Mondeo especially the Mondeo ST, and I wanted to find out if these will fit on an S-max. Any advice will be appreciated. Thank you
i am not really sure although i suspect they are the same chassis as a mondeo...if i find out for sure i will get back to you
@@alan4x thank you so much. Do you have a website or an email address? Are you close to London? If yes, if/when I need mechanically work, I'd get you to do it.
no i am 60 miles from london but if you need advise then just ask
@@alan4x nice one Alan
Glad i watched this had one that broke down turned out owner thought it did'nt have a cambelt .mmmmm done 20 teeth on the cambelt and broke all 16 rockers in half ..changed cambelt lifters & rockers chain & tensioner !!! Well i be f###ed she runs mint £££
excellant lol🤣
Naughty driver !
i would say dumb ass driver lol
i've got a pair of shoes like yours.
lmao...they are cheap shoes from tesco but last pretty well until the souls fall apart🤣
Put some googly eyes on that shoe and make him talk hahaha
Sometimes I've over revved engines downshifting a manuel to second gear when exiting a motorway on a slip road with a steep decline, can't imagine it does the bearings on the alternator or air conditioning compressor any good.