The Boulder "Jane Doe" was originally an unidentified murdered woman found in a nearby canyon by hikers in 1954. Locals put up donations so she would get a proper burial in that cemetery and later purchased the Memorial to her. She was finally identified in 2009 as Dorothy Gay Howard, a 17 year old Phoenix Arizona woman missing since 1954 and that was confirmed by DNA from her sister. A man who had confessed to killing several women in other areas, had also been in the Colorado around that time and had been charged with assaults on women. He was finally caught and executed in California in 1959 for the other murders. He was never charged with Dorothy Howard's murder as his possible involvement with her murder was never linked to him before his execution.
Thank you for your research on this Jane Doe and sharing what you found. It's such a sad story but great that the community came together for her like that
@@ronthompson2421 A man by the name of Harvey Glatman was the prime suspect based on compelling circumstantial evidence by local historian Silvia Pettem and Boulder County Detective Steve Ainsworth, who kept pursuing information on the cold case. Together they've made a case for Glatman as the murderer due to his presence in the area at the time, his pattern of killing, and the fact he was thought at that time to have committed several other murders and assaults (including in the Boulder area), but wasn't charged due to lack of evidence.
You brought us another interesting story. "Tom Horn" was Steve McQueen's second to last movie before he died. He was suffering from lung cancer,and had trouble breathing during the movie shoot. I found the movie sad as we saw the end of a movie icon along with the story of the end of a famous western figure. I really enjoy your videos.
I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the videos and I appreciate you watching and commenting. I've seen the movie but it was quite some time ago. My oldest brother is a huge Steve McQueen fan. I didn't realize he was having trouble breathing in this movie. Thank you for telling us that about Steve!
Read the story about McQueen showing up for the premiere movie Tom Horn in early April 1980 . He had been diagnosed with terminal mesothelioma in December 1979 . Mesothelioma isn't lung cancer it's a cancer caused by asbestos dust exposure and in McQueen's case it had attacked the lining of his lung . He denied his illness at the time of the Tom Horn premiere. He had to wear heavy clothes with thick beard and to hide his weight loss and other effects the disease had on him . His last wife said after that appearance he became mostly bed ridden and oxygen dependent untill his death 7 months later . Mesothelioma is almost always fatal and is always associated with asbestos exposure. In the last few years there has been some increased life expectancies due to some radical surgical innovations . But odds are once diagnosed victims die within a year . Terrance Steven McQueen: March 24 , 1930 - November 7, 1980
Paula Andree Barchilon's grave is called the lollipop grave. She loved the painting by DeWain Valentine. After she died her parents commissioned him to make the stone
Oh how neat! Thank you for researching that and sharing it with us all. That was great they could get him to do that. I've never seen anything like that before.
Excellent. Love how you actually physically venture to these places to show us stuff. I recently became friends with a young lady who literally just scrolled through a bunch of folks fb profiles, looking for friends. Of course at first glance, I was taken aback by the effrontery of this, however I thought I would at least try to communicate with her a little before judging. It turns out that she's paralyzed, and essentially bedridden. She has use of her hands and arms, but from about the lower chest downward, she has no control. The point of saying all the very personal info, is to illustrate how some people are literally living vicariously through the videos of others. It makes me very appreciative that this kind of platform exists, and those who cannot physically venture into this amazing world, can at least experience some by way of RUclips videos and other such media. I know that's a rough story, pardon me for that. Thanks again, great channel! 😎🇺🇸
I have heard from quite a few others who cannot venture out for various reasons so it always feels good to know that I can bring a little adventures and entertainment for those who need it. There is a lot out there to film and so much of it seems to not be covered at all. Thank you so much for watching and being a part of the channel!
Rhett, I enjoyed your Old West video on, Tom Horn, he had quite an varied and yet interesting life. It's amazing how he was on the side of law enforcement for such a long time and then switched over and became a hired gunman. Enjoyed, the tour and the scenery of this cemetery, I especially loved the mountains. Great investigating, as always. Take care 🐎
He was one of those men that had blurred lines between law enforcement and being criminal. Sort of teeters between both. His book, magazines and then movies have certainly added to the whole mystery of the man. I really loved the mountains in Colorado and always have. I'm always bummed when I have to leave them. Thank you for watching Brenda!
@@RhettyforHistory Thank You for your take on Tom Horn. I've done some research on the man, and he certainly has Blurred Lines. But, I think every man lives Blurred Lines.
Many of those who were in the old west and lived as either a lawman or outlaw definitely blurred those lines. Some more than others. Thank you for watching!
Hey Rhett, that cemetery is a lot better than the last one you did. Mr Horn's quite the man. Tried his hand at a lot of trades. Seems like many outlaws were born in Missouri. Those mountains reminded me of the mountains I miss in Utah. Great job, my friend.
Yes this cemetery was beautifully maintained and well visited. I really loved the views of the mountains mainly because those are different from Oklahoma. Tom was one of those people that sort of teeters the lawman and outlaw line. He is certainly controversial and many people still debate how many people he killed and whether or not he was innocent or guilty. Incredible to think that is happening almost 120 years later. Thank you for watching!
This is why I like watching your videos Rhett 🙋🏽. Because you kinda introduce me to people I've never heard of before. SO I thank you for that. I love history, ALL history. And I also love learning about different people and, places and things. So thank you again for sharing this with US ‼️🙋🏽👍🏽.
You're welcome. I'm glad I could introduce you to him. There is a lot more information on him that people have written about him. At some point I will cover more on him but it may be awhile. Thank you for watching Carole!
My first adult job out of college was in Boulder. Interesting community. Tom Horn kind of typified the complexity of the old west. Lived on both sides of the law. The Earpes and even William Bonnie were similar. He also is symbolic of the end of an era. Loved Steve McQueen in that role. Great episode.
Tom Horn certainly straddled that line. Not many people realize that Wyatt Earp got in trouble for stealing horses in Oklahoma and he evaded the law. Also there were two sides to what happened in Tombstone. Thank you for watching.
He's not like a Jesse James or Billy the Kid but he is certainly noteworthy. He sure teeters the line between lawman and outlaw. Thank you for watching!
Very cool, welcome to Rhetty in my neck of the woods! I've passed by the graveyard a lot and the complex next to it, was St Gertrudes, formerly a home for TB patients. I got busted sneaking in there back in the day when it was still a ruin from a fire, etc. I got married in Chautauqua park up the road but that started as a camp ground for folks with TB, consumption, etc. It wouldn't be Boulder if you didn't say, " I don't know what that is !" Have Fun!
I really enjoyed my visit there. I only wish I had more time as I know there was a lot more to see. I had no idea I was next to an old TB facility. Thank you for watching Blake!
Too many John and Jane does in the cemeteries. Always sad to see. Beautiful cemetery and a beautiful stream. Glad to see you are having a great vacation Rhetty 😊👍
The old sandstone marker near the military and Celtic headstone - the stone was probably quarried in Lyons, a small town north of Boulder. My family worked in those quarries in the early to mid 1900's. Wish you would have gotten the name off that marker. A couple of cousins took a marker just like that back to Muddy Cemetery in Pattonsburg, Missouri for their father's grave. It was engraved by them as they couldn't afford anything else. Glad I found your channel!
From the great FACES OF THE FORGOTTEN I learned of your channel. I love the old west too. New subscriber and foreword to new videos and watching your old ones.
Tom Horns story has always hunted me. I thought later after his execution it was found out that he was in fact innocent of what he was found guilty of!
In the 1990s they did a mock trial that found him innocent. Of course that was nothing official. Some people believe he was guilty while others do not. There is even differing opinions in between. Thank you for watching!
I had forgotten the story on him, but remembered the name. My dad always liked reading the old western magazines, and I later started reading them. I am thinking a story on him was published in one of those. It's funny when trying to glorify one's self, in the end the truth usually tells on them. The cemetery was just beautiful, well kept, and interesting. Thanks Rhetty.
I'm sure he was in one of the magazines your father had. He is certainly a popular figure in the old west. There really wasn't any need to brag on his part. Clearly his reputation was known. I think it was a case of his head getting to big. Glad to hear you read the old magazines your father had! I'm sure he would love that!! Thank you you watching Patricia!
as usual you did great. Listened to your work while Tom Horns story was on AHC this morning. The enhanced stuff on T V was somewhat disappointing. Enjoy your labors or love much more. Thank you and please keep up your great work!!!
What a coincidence that the Tom Horn story was on AHC this morning. I had no idea about that. I have not seen that show on him but I have read a lot about him. There is certainly a lot more to tell on him and at some point a I hope to. So much of his life is unknown and then what is, may not really be. Thank you for watching Albert!
I enjoyed the cemetery - very interesting headstones and markers. It would be interesting to find out why the veterans are situated in different directions. I hope someone can give us some insight. Thank you for the video.
I have been to Canada but it was many years ago and more in the east. I would love to go back and explore the west. I did not know about the Mad Trapper. I will have to look him up.
Colorado is very beautiful. It’s hotter there buts a dry heat. We have so much humidity in PA it’s miserable if you have to work outside. Beautiful old cemetery and I had never heard of Tom Horn.
See and you say it's hotter there but it is way hotter here in Oklahoma. Many times the heat this time of year can be above 100 with 60 to 80 percent humidity. Colorado was like 84 and 10 percent humidity when we were there. It is such a beautiful state though and if you are in the mountains it seems to be so much cooler. It's the hills or flatter areas that seem to get hotter. I'm glad you learned about someone new.. Thank you for watching!
That was a very interesting background on Tom Horn. The movie with Steve McQueen took quite a few Hollywood liberties with reality. One of the few details that Hollywood got right was the make and caliber rifle that Tom Horn used on those long deadly shots. The rifle was a 1876 Winchester 45-60 caliber with a fold up peep sight behind the hammer. Winchester had tried to produce a lever action rifle that would chamber the famous 45-70 that was standard issue for the U.S.army issue Springfield trapdoor rifle and carbine. Winchester was unable to successfully chamber the long round and cut it down to 60 grams of black powder instead of 70. This shortened the round but made minor difference in the ballistics of the 45 caliber bullet. Tom Horn later used a 30-30 caliber when Winchester produced the round in the 1894 rifle. Authorities now believe neither rifle killed the 14 yr.old boy and many doubt Tom Horn was guilty.
Thank you for watching and filling us in more on what Tom used and I'm glad to hear the movie got that right. That was interesting to learn about. So much of Tom's life was unknown and up in the air. The book and Hollywood have cetainly added to what is hard to definer as fact or fiction. It's interesting his family had a farm in MO but they are buried in Canada.
So beautiful with the mountain in the background! Lovely cemetery🪦🪦🪦 I'm glad you have been able to travel again! Wow! I could watch the stream and ducks for hours🦆🦆🦆
There is a statue off him on the side of highway No. 79 just between Catalina Az. close to Florence AZ. It said something about him being a movie star. Next time I’ll stop and read it. Enjoyed your video. :-)
I lived in Boulder for few years not far from this cemetery. It is a beautiful cemetery and I wish I could get my own graveyard there, but no one is buried there anymore unless a person had his/her lot purchased long time ago. I think the latest grave was from early 2000s, but I could be wrong on this one. Every October there is an event called Spirits of Boulder, and local actors stand in front of graves of historic characters dressed in contemporary clothing and telling the story of the individual buried there. I still go to Boulder often and last time I was at this event was in 2019 and there was a guy in front of Tom Horn grave telling his story. There were some very interesting characters from Wild West era buried here. One can see some Spirits of Boulder videos on RUclips. It is a very interesting event. I love it.
As a fellow Okie (918) I want to say well done to Rhetty, very eloquent and calming narrative; you have a respectful and deferential demeanor which is refreshing. Thanks and keep up the great work.
I never knew that Horn participated in the tracking down and capture of Geronimo. I very well could be wrong about this, but I seem to think that I read at one time that the photo of Horn braiding the rope that you kept showing was taken while he was incarcerated and awaiting trial. Obviously he's not in a jail cell, but he could be outside his cell in the jail house office and wearing leg shackles or something while doing the braiding demonstration. Can anyone confirm what I "think" I'm recalling? Another great video, Rhetty. BTW, I never get tired of hearing and seeing your opening photos and music. It really stirs something inside of this Old West enthusiast.
Thank you for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm not sure on the specifics of when that photo was taken with the rope. It does sort of appear to be some sort of publicity photo along with the other two right outside of the jail. I've never researched anything further on them but that would be interesting to know. The photos with the ropes are certainly his most popular photos. I think many associate them with him hanging bit they maybe don't know he was a skilled roper.
Still fascinating how fun it is to learn from you n your followers 😉. Love some of the headstones more than others but allow are fun to see. Sad how some show how young some of the little ones are.
It's interesting to me to see all of the different cemeteries and the stories there just waiting to be told. That's my favorite thing about cemeteries.
I wasn’t sure of the name until you mentioned the Pinkerton’s, very interesting fellow. I think he may have been a classic example of good and bad (but who really knows). That little stream running through the cemetery is absolutely beautiful. So glad their Jane Doe was identified, so sad when they are not. I wonder what the story was there. Thanks Rhetty ❤️🇦🇺🐨
I'm not sure what the story was on her. I did not look up anything on her. Seems like some sort of murder case. Every so often I run into things like that and others that are never solved as you say. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory I have actually seen quite a few Jane Does now. Sometimes that person was on holidays from another country and the family never realise that there is a Jane Doe over there. It’s really the worst for the family to never know.
I looked up Dorothy Gay “Dot” Howard, previously her grave read Jane Doe, April 1954 age about 20 years. She was identified in 2009 and in May 2010, the original grave stone was embedded into a new stone, with her name on her grave at last. So sad, her family had to wait 55 years to know what happened to her. She was 18 years old and she was very beautiful. The family don’t know why she was in Colorado, where she was found murdered. She was unrecognisable and had perfect teeth, so no dental records to help with identification. Her sister thought she was out there somewhere living her life, how sad to finally find out she wasn’t. They believe she was killed by, Harvey Glatman, later executed in California. He was one of the nations first serial killers. There is plenty of information about her now on the internet.
Wow, that is incredible sad. I figured it had to be a murder but had no idea it went back so far. It sure was unsolved a long time and it makes me wonder if her family was even around to have closure. Thank you for researching that and sharing it with us. I've never heard of that guy but it sounds like he met karma.
If you have covered the meaning of leaving a coin on a veteran's stone I missed it. I might suggest you do that and explain the different coins and the meaning.
Tom Horn is a very interesting person from the Wild West. I have seen the movie starring Steve McQueen but I always had the feeling that he was innocent but I could be wrong. I wouldn't mind reading a book about him.
It is possible he was set up by the very people he was trying to help. It was a different time period for sure. No matter what his history is somewhat of a mystery and it has gotten people to talk about him for almost 120 years after he died. Thank you for watching!
Steve McQueen became a devoted Christian at the end of his life. He also was benevolent towards a boys home where he grew up because he appreciated the structure and nurturing received there compared to his parents. Steve McQueen hero!
Another great western video I've heard of Tom Horn before. It was very interesting it's a shame he went to good to bad but a lot of the westerners did that for some reason I'm glad you're enjoying your vacation and applied your children are joining at keep up the good can't wait for your next one wherever you going to be Colorado is very pretty what I saw on the videos it looks very nice well you and your family have a wonderful day take care of yourself thank you for your wonderful videos bye for now one of your fans
Thank you so much for always watching and commenting! You're right about Colorado being pretty. It is certainly one of the most beautiful states in the union and I have always loved it there. When I was younger I always thought it would be a place I would live. I have a lot more to come from this state and some others. Luckily the girls went shopping with Sarah so it allowed me to capture some interesting stories!
Well, I've listened to and read too many times about those pictures of Tom Horn "making" rope so, I have to say something. He's not making rope. He's braiding reins to be used on a Hackamore. Note the different colors in the reins. They're made of horse hair (mane and tail). We still use them to this day. McQueen is the only actor I've seen in a movie (Tom Horn) to use one on the horse he's riding. And he did a pretty damn good job of it. He either did some cowboying in his time or, somebody did a great job of teaching him. The horse was a little high-headed but, he handled him pretty good. Too bad there's not more actors like him.
13:17 Just curious but do the ducks by any chance eat the grass or poop in one of the graves? In my cemetery there are Geese that literally Poop on the gravestones. Made me angry.
Both ducks and geese will eat moss, grass, flowers, berries etc. If it is a flat lying marker then they will definitely defecate on them. Birds are generally more of a problem then ducks or geese but that would vary from location to location. The sad thing is there isn't much you can do. Birds have many state and federal laws that protect them. The only birds that do not are sparrows and starlings. Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the video, I like Colorado and the mountains in the summer also. I have been within a few miles of this cemetery three times and did not know Tom Horn was there. I also went through Dubois Wyoming and did not know the Marine Chance Phelps was there, had I known I would have left a penny on his headstone. The movie Taking Chance did not cover his actions on the day he died he saved a lot of Marines by laying down cover fire. This is what happens when you don't do your research before your trip. I think Bill Miller killed the boy Tom was hung for. Also think Bill Miller killed Pat Garrett.
That movie Taking Chance wad excellent and it showed a side of war not really seen in movies or by most people. It made it much more personal and it truly showed the toll that is felt by those surrounding the fallen. No matter where I go I always seem to find people that I missed later on. Research is difficult sometimes and also time is short. It does give me an excuse to go back as I know I have a lot more to cover in the area. I knew of more but I just didn't have the time. Wish I did though. Thank you for watching James!
@@RhettyforHistory The daughter of one of my high school buddies recently retired from the Air Force at the rank of Col. Her last duty was the C.O. of the division that handles the fallen. I saw her mother last week at a class reunion and she told me she never missed meeting a casket at the air port during her service.
It really is a service all in it's own. I have a friend who would dress the service members very meticulously and Honorably after they had fallen during Desert Storm. To hear him talk about what he did truly is a unique experience.
My mom's Grandfather on her mother's side in Delta Colorado came from Pennsylvania moving to Perryton Texas becoming the Sheriff. Then moving the family to Delta Colorado where the Horne family and Sanders family Settled. My Mom's dad and mother married Horne and Sanders. My mom is a Sanders became big Cattle Ranchers in Delta. They are in the Delta Museum
My real name is Michael McCluskey. I'm not a real wizard. I'm just self-taught in many things. Thank you for taking me through this. The name Tom Horn sounds familiar.
Yesterdays politics is no different than today’s politics as long as they need you you’re doing a job for them everything is great when they don’t need you anymore they won’t be on your side they’ll let you walk out on a limb and they will saw it off
I watch the movie with Steve McQueen in it and I have read about some of the things he done I need to read his biography I had no idea that they took him from Wyoming to Boulder after he was hung I think Buffalo Bill was buried up there or Golden I seen his grave once long time ago but I can’t remember where for sure
I will have a couple videos on Bill coming soon. He certainly has a unique burial location and the odd thing about it is that the location of his grave is debated by some. Thank you for watching Scott!
All the information about Dorothy Howard (Jane Doe) is on the internet, if anybody is interested. Very sad story, about a very beautiful girl. RIP Dorothy. ❤️🇦🇺🐨
Hey Rhetty, I enjoyed the video but you didn't mention that according to the headstone Tom Horns' mother was only 7 years old and his father was only 9 years old when Tom was born. Is that possible?
Are you talking about the marker to the left of Tom? That was his brother Charlie and sister in law. Charlie claimed Tom's body and had him buried there. I did have a pop up saying who they were. You may have missed that. Tom's parents are buried I. Canada. Thank you for watching!
It does say mother and father on the headstone but they are not Tom's. Right after I tell the story and then break away to their marker is when it pops up who they are. Right before that I show a photo of Charlie claiming Tom's remains.
I've lived in Missouri all my life, born & raised here. While I was watching some of your video's, I thought (like the man did), that a lot of outlaws came from Missouri. However, if this is correct Steve McQueen comes from Slater, Missouri. So chalk one good guy up, also one of my favorite actors. I've seen the Jesse James farm, etc. in Kearney, Missouri. If you haven't covered that as yet, you should, it's very interesting enjoyed all your videos I've learned a lot Judith yelton
Cheyenne, WY and Boulder, CO aren't that far apart. Some considered the hanging of Tom Horn wrong and that he was hanged on a drunk false confession. One of those people was a rancher in Boulder who paid for his plot and marker.
@@RhettyforHistory via horse and carrying a load they didn't make that trip in under 4 days, not exactly a Sunday stroll in the park. Someone must have cared about him.
I've got the movie Tom Horn & always felt he was set up. That particular rifle as was used in the movie wasn't a good long range rifle. It's round was about as efficient as a brick. I assume the movie held faithful to the book as it was reported to. If you watch the movie you should see what I mean. Changing the subject roughly a mile from my place is a stone of Noah Crane, Rev War teamster, died, I think, 1833. No birth date given.
That is an interesting grave that is near you. Is there much more information that you know about him? That sounds like it could be challenging. Thank you for watching!
In this area there's 4 cemeteries that are gone. I'm 72 & they were long gone before my time. There were supposedly 3 forts in this area, not sure of 2 but the 3rd stood where our present cemetery is. Alot of the farmers plowed the cemeteries up & tossed the stones. There's 1 not far from my place that was known as the Stillwell Cemetery. Only I could find was tossed in the woods read Eliza Ann McGuire, died 1854, age 27.
This area's in southern IL, Wabash Co to be exact. There's a lot of history here. Hardly anyone is interested in it & I would like to pass on what I know & have heard.
You're right about things not being allowed. It was certainly a controversial case. I know a mock trial was done probably some 90 years later and found him innocent. But of course that isn't official. We will never fully know what all he did nor why and that only adds to the mystery of him. I'm not saying he was innocent but I'm sure those who were around him betrayed him. Thank you for watching Kirk.
It was actually difficult to make out as it was hand inscribed. Someone has looked it up and gave more information about it in one of the comments though.
When one passes away, God knows what happens after. There are those that will say he was a bad man, and those that will say he was a good man. Either way, the deceased knows if he was a good man or not. All I can say, to be very good, you have to be a little bit bad.
The headstones do say parents but they are not his parents. That is his brother and sister and law. In the video I did say they were relatives and then when they were shown I had a pop up showing who they were. Tom's parents are actually buried in Canada. Tom's brother Charlie claimed Tom's body and that is why he is buried there and they are next to each other.
Charles and Elizabeth can't be Tom's parents. Elizabeth was 7yo in the year Tom was born (Charles was 2 years older) and more likely Charles was Tom's eldest brother. Tom was 5th child out of 12 and most likely his parents were born around 1930 or even late 1920s and for reasons unknown couldn't or didn't want to retrieve his body so his older brother took the responsibility.
The original photos of Tom Horn in his cell are in the Tom Carroll family museum (their old ranch where my mother grew up). Persons sentenced to be hung had a choice between store bought rope or making their own (which is what Tom is doing in the photos). Store bought ropes stretched. Pretty interesting museum including a Colt 1911 engraved to Tom Carroll from J. Edgar Hoover. T
I know there was an art to making ropes and even today there are two kinds. The traditional way was made from cowhides, Those will actually stretch and they take quite a bit to make. The cowboys like Tom Horn probably made them this way. The modern day store bought ones are made from nylon and do not stretch at all. Many places in the west still make and use those cowhide ropes. You will not see them in the PRCA or the IPRA but I know they are in different rodeos of the west on the open prairies and lands. I am sure the Tom Horn rodeo in WY uses those. Thank you for watching Will!
Just my opinion: But I've always believed Tom was set up by the Cattle Barron's. No doubt he killed, but personally I don't believe he would have gunned down a child.
It's certainly hard to say as he was so controversial. But I have no doubt that the cattle Barrons led him down this path and then disappeared on him. Thank you for watching!
There have certainly been some newer works and investigations done on him. Some of them are really good. There was even a mock trial that was done much later and found him innocent. Either way he was certainly a controversial figure in his time and his history and mystery are still discussed and debated on to this day. It's strange but he has certainly been remembered. Thank you for watching Steve.
Yeah that's the way many of those who do wrong are. I've seen it time and time again throughout history. Doesn't matter if you are studying outlaws in the old west, depression gangsters, mobsters or anything else. Thank you for watching!
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The Boulder "Jane Doe" was originally an unidentified murdered woman found in a nearby canyon by hikers in 1954. Locals put up donations so she would get a proper burial in that cemetery and later purchased the Memorial to her. She was finally identified in 2009 as Dorothy Gay Howard, a 17 year old Phoenix Arizona woman missing since 1954 and that was confirmed by DNA from her sister. A man who had confessed to killing several women in other areas, had also been in the Colorado around that time and had been charged with assaults on women. He was finally caught and executed in California in 1959 for the other murders. He was never charged with Dorothy Howard's murder as his possible involvement with her murder was never linked to him before his execution.
Thank you for your research on this Jane Doe and sharing what you found. It's such a sad story but great that the community came together for her like that
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Can I ask who the suspect was?
@@ronthompson2421 A man by the name of Harvey Glatman was the prime suspect based on compelling circumstantial evidence by local historian Silvia Pettem and Boulder County Detective Steve Ainsworth, who kept pursuing information on the cold case. Together they've made a case for Glatman as the murderer due to his presence in the area at the time, his pattern of killing, and the fact he was thought at that time to have committed several other murders and assaults (including in the Boulder area), but wasn't charged due to lack of evidence.
@@RhettyforHistoryit's sad that people don't seem to care about things like that anymore
You brought us another interesting story. "Tom Horn" was Steve McQueen's second to last movie before he died. He was suffering from lung cancer,and had trouble breathing during the movie shoot. I found the movie sad as we saw the end of a movie icon along with the story of the end of a famous western figure. I really enjoy your videos.
I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the videos and I appreciate you watching and commenting. I've seen the movie but it was quite some time ago. My oldest brother is a huge Steve McQueen fan. I didn't realize he was having trouble breathing in this movie. Thank you for telling us that about Steve!
Read the story about McQueen showing up for the premiere movie Tom Horn in early April 1980 . He had been diagnosed with terminal mesothelioma in December 1979 . Mesothelioma isn't lung cancer it's a cancer caused by asbestos dust exposure and in McQueen's case it had attacked the lining of his lung .
He denied his illness at the time of the Tom Horn premiere. He had to wear heavy clothes with thick beard and to hide his weight loss and other effects the disease had on him .
His last wife said after that appearance he became mostly bed ridden and oxygen dependent untill his death 7 months later .
Mesothelioma is almost always fatal and is always associated with asbestos exposure. In the last few years there has been some increased life expectancies due to some radical surgical innovations . But odds are once diagnosed victims die within a year .
Terrance Steven McQueen:
March 24 , 1930 - November 7, 1980
As difficult as life was in those times it really calls to me and tells me I should have lived then.
Thank you for another awesome video..
You're welcome and thank you for watching Laura!
Paula Andree Barchilon's grave is called the lollipop grave. She loved the painting by DeWain Valentine. After she died her parents commissioned him to make the stone
Oh how neat! Thank you for researching that and sharing it with us all. That was great they could get him to do that. I've never seen anything like that before.
What was her cause of death at such a young age?
@@eldtaylo I'm not sure. It didn't say. If you Google her name her sister has a blog about her
Excellent. Love how you actually physically venture to these places to show us stuff.
I recently became friends with a young lady who literally just scrolled through a bunch of folks fb profiles, looking for friends. Of course at first glance, I was taken aback by the effrontery of this, however I thought I would at least try to communicate with her a little before judging.
It turns out that she's paralyzed, and essentially bedridden. She has use of her hands and arms, but from about the lower chest downward, she has no control.
The point of saying all the very personal info, is to illustrate how some people are literally living vicariously through the videos of others. It makes me very appreciative that this kind of platform exists, and those who cannot physically venture into this amazing world, can at least experience some by way of RUclips videos and other such media.
I know that's a rough story, pardon me for that.
Thanks again, great channel!
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I have heard from quite a few others who cannot venture out for various reasons so it always feels good to know that I can bring a little adventures and entertainment for those who need it. There is a lot out there to film and so much of it seems to not be covered at all. Thank you so much for watching and being a part of the channel!
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You are a great storyteller. A good reminder for the saying "Gone but not forgotten" for so many!
Thank you for watching as well as the kind words. I enjoy bringing up some of the lesser known people and breathing a little life into their stories.
Rhett, I enjoyed your Old West video on, Tom Horn, he had quite an varied and yet interesting life. It's amazing how he was on the side of law enforcement for such a long time and then switched over and became a hired gunman. Enjoyed, the tour and the scenery of this cemetery, I especially loved the mountains. Great investigating, as always. Take care 🐎
He was one of those men that had blurred lines between law enforcement and being criminal. Sort of teeters between both. His book, magazines and then movies have certainly added to the whole mystery of the man. I really loved the mountains in Colorado and always have. I'm always bummed when I have to leave them. Thank you for watching Brenda!
He only got guys who deserved it !!!
@@RhettyforHistory Thank You for your take on Tom Horn. I've done some research on the man, and he certainly has Blurred Lines. But, I think every man lives Blurred Lines.
Many of those who were in the old west and lived as either a lawman or outlaw definitely blurred those lines. Some more than others. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory Thank you Rhett, and please know I've signed up to your channel. Thank you again.
Hey Rhett, that cemetery is a lot better than the last one you did.
Mr Horn's quite the man. Tried his hand at a lot of trades.
Seems like many outlaws were born in Missouri.
Those mountains reminded me of the mountains I miss in Utah.
Great job, my friend.
Yes this cemetery was beautifully maintained and well visited. I really loved the views of the mountains mainly because those are different from Oklahoma. Tom was one of those people that sort of teeters the lawman and outlaw line. He is certainly controversial and many people still debate how many people he killed and whether or not he was innocent or guilty. Incredible to think that is happening almost 120 years later. Thank you for watching!
This is why I like watching your videos Rhett 🙋🏽. Because you kinda introduce me to people I've never heard of before. SO I thank you for that. I love history, ALL history. And I also love learning about different people and, places and things. So thank you again for sharing this with US ‼️🙋🏽👍🏽.
You're welcome. I'm glad I could introduce you to him. There is a lot more information on him that people have written about him. At some point I will cover more on him but it may be awhile. Thank you for watching Carole!
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My first adult job out of college was in Boulder. Interesting community. Tom Horn kind of typified the complexity of the old west. Lived on both sides of the law. The Earpes and even William Bonnie were similar. He also is symbolic of the end of an era. Loved Steve McQueen in that role. Great episode.
Tom Horn certainly straddled that line. Not many people realize that Wyatt Earp got in trouble for stealing horses in Oklahoma and he evaded the law. Also there were two sides to what happened in Tombstone. Thank you for watching.
Tom Horn is probably one of my favorite old west cowboy/outlaw. Even though he was kind of lesser known.
He's not like a Jesse James or Billy the Kid but he is certainly noteworthy. He sure teeters the line between lawman and outlaw. Thank you for watching!
He never did the deed
What deed is that?
@@RhettyforHistory I believe he is referring to the last person Tom Horn was alleged to have killed
Oh ok I see.
Very cool, welcome to Rhetty in my neck of the woods! I've passed by the graveyard a lot and the complex next to it, was St Gertrudes, formerly a home for TB patients. I got busted sneaking in there back in the day when it was still a ruin from a fire, etc. I got married in Chautauqua park up the road but that started as a camp ground for folks with TB, consumption, etc. It wouldn't be Boulder if you didn't say, " I don't know what that is !" Have Fun!
I really enjoyed my visit there. I only wish I had more time as I know there was a lot more to see. I had no idea I was next to an old TB facility. Thank you for watching Blake!
Too many John and Jane does in the cemeteries. Always sad to see. Beautiful cemetery and a beautiful stream. Glad to see you are having a great vacation Rhetty 😊👍
You're right. I run into them more than I would like to and they are always sad to see. Thank you for watching Steve!
I love the stream. Thank you so much.
You're welcome and thank you for watching!
The old sandstone marker near the military and Celtic headstone - the stone was probably quarried in Lyons, a small town north of Boulder. My family worked in those quarries in the early to mid 1900's. Wish you would have gotten the name off that marker. A couple of cousins took a marker just like that back to Muddy Cemetery in Pattonsburg, Missouri for their father's grave. It was engraved by them as they couldn't afford anything else. Glad I found your channel!
Loved the video Rhetty and the small bit of Scottish History Looks like a peaceful plce and hope Ranger rested after your live vid :)
He did! He slept most of the day in the cool air! It started in the car too! Thank you for watching this video and the live!
From the great FACES OF THE FORGOTTEN I learned of your channel. I love the old west too. New subscriber and foreword to new videos and watching your old ones.
Welcome to the channel and I'm glad you're here! Faces of the Forgotten is an awesome channel!
Tom Horns story has always hunted me. I thought later after his execution it was found out that he was in fact innocent of what he was found guilty of!
In the 1990s they did a mock trial that found him innocent. Of course that was nothing official. Some people believe he was guilty while others do not. There is even differing opinions in between. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory difference in between ? No sure I understand that ? TY for the video 👍
He really sounds innocent. Lol
Tom Horn was guilty of dozens of assassinations including killing innocents for hire. He was not a good.person. So it doesn't really matter.
I had forgotten the story on him, but remembered the name. My dad always liked reading the old western magazines, and I later started reading them. I am thinking a story on him was published in one of those. It's funny when trying to glorify one's self, in the end the truth usually tells on them. The cemetery was just beautiful, well kept, and interesting. Thanks Rhetty.
I'm sure he was in one of the magazines your father had. He is certainly a popular figure in the old west. There really wasn't any need to brag on his part. Clearly his reputation was known. I think it was a case of his head getting to big. Glad to hear you read the old magazines your father had! I'm sure he would love that!! Thank you you watching Patricia!
as usual you did great. Listened to your work while Tom Horns story was on AHC this morning. The enhanced stuff on T V was somewhat disappointing. Enjoy your labors or love much more. Thank you and please keep up your great work!!!
What a coincidence that the Tom Horn story was on AHC this morning. I had no idea about that. I have not seen that show on him but I have read a lot about him. There is certainly a lot more to tell on him and at some point a I hope to. So much of his life is unknown and then what is, may not really be. Thank you for watching Albert!
I enjoyed the cemetery - very interesting headstones and markers. It would be interesting to find out why the veterans are situated in different directions. I hope someone can give us some insight. Thank you for the video.
I hope so too as it sure had me curious. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the video and I appreciate you watching!
Steve McQueen did an awesome job in the movie. You did an awesome job showing us this video. Thank you. 🤠
What a Nice Graveyard, too bad bad you are not closer to Canada l am sure you would have done a great video of The Mad Trapper another great story.
I have been to Canada but it was many years ago and more in the east. I would love to go back and explore the west. I did not know about the Mad Trapper. I will have to look him up.
Great vlog! I always learn something on your vlogs, thanks!
Thanks for always coming along on the adventures!
Colorado is very beautiful. It’s hotter there buts a dry heat. We have so much humidity in PA it’s miserable if you have to work outside. Beautiful old cemetery and I had never heard of Tom Horn.
See and you say it's hotter there but it is way hotter here in Oklahoma. Many times the heat this time of year can be above 100 with 60 to 80 percent humidity. Colorado was like 84 and 10 percent humidity when we were there. It is such a beautiful state though and if you are in the mountains it seems to be so much cooler. It's the hills or flatter areas that seem to get hotter. I'm glad you learned about someone new.. Thank you for watching!
From the law to an outlaw. Good historical sharing.
Thank you Arleen! I appreciate you watching!
That was a very interesting background on Tom Horn. The movie with Steve McQueen took quite a few Hollywood liberties with reality. One of the few details that Hollywood got right was the make and caliber rifle that Tom Horn used on those long deadly shots. The rifle was a 1876 Winchester 45-60 caliber with a fold up peep sight behind the hammer. Winchester had tried to produce a lever action rifle that would chamber the famous 45-70 that was standard issue for the U.S.army issue Springfield trapdoor rifle and carbine. Winchester was unable to successfully chamber the long round and cut it down to 60 grams of black powder instead of 70. This shortened the round but made minor difference in the ballistics of the 45 caliber bullet. Tom Horn later used a 30-30 caliber when Winchester produced the round in the 1894 rifle. Authorities now believe neither rifle killed the 14 yr.old boy and many doubt Tom Horn was guilty.
Thank you for watching and filling us in more on what Tom used and I'm glad to hear the movie got that right. That was interesting to learn about. So much of Tom's life was unknown and up in the air. The book and Hollywood have cetainly added to what is hard to definer as fact or fiction. It's interesting his family had a farm in MO but they are buried in Canada.
@@RhettyforHistory Canada? Odd,,,
Western Canada was certainly part of the old west as well.
So beautiful with the mountain in the background! Lovely cemetery🪦🪦🪦 I'm glad you have been able to travel again! Wow! I could watch the stream and ducks for hours🦆🦆🦆
I wish I could have spent more time in this cemetery but I had a lot more to capture in the area. Thank you so much for watching Brenda!
@@RhettyforHistory perhaps you'll get to go back there sometime! Safe journeys😊
There is a statue off him on the side of highway No. 79 just between Catalina Az. close to Florence AZ. It said something about him being a movie star. Next time I’ll stop and read it. Enjoyed your video. :-)
Thank you for watching Chris. I had no idea that any statue existed of him in AZ. I wonder if it is of one of the people who played him in a movie?
@@RhettyforHistory the next time i drive by it I’ll take a photo and send it to you.
Thank you! I'd love to see it!
@chrismillar6404 You're thinking of Tom Mix who died in a car accident on that highway in 1940.
Great video !! Thank you.
You're welcome and thank you for watching!
Tom Horn was indeed a braggart. Loose lips sink ships. Great presentation, good find. 👍
Very true! It was clear that his reputation was out there. No need to brag. Thank you for watching!
I lived in Boulder for few years not far from this cemetery. It is a beautiful cemetery and I wish I could get my own graveyard there, but no one is buried there anymore unless a person had his/her lot purchased long time ago. I think the latest grave was from early 2000s, but I could be wrong on this one. Every October there is an event called Spirits of Boulder, and local actors stand in front of graves of historic characters dressed in contemporary clothing and telling the story of the individual buried there. I still go to Boulder often and last time I was at this event was in 2019 and there was a guy in front of Tom Horn grave telling his story. There were some very interesting characters from Wild West era buried here. One can see some Spirits of Boulder videos on RUclips. It is a very interesting event. I love it.
I remember the movie of Tom Horn starring Steve McQueen. Was a long time ago so don't remember the whole story. As always, a great video.
Thank you so much for watching. I believe this was one of his last movies. Don't quote me on that though.
As a fellow Okie (918) I want to say well done to Rhetty, very eloquent and calming narrative; you have a respectful and deferential demeanor which is refreshing. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Thank you for watching as well as the kind words. Always great to see a fellow Okie on here!
@@RhettyforHistory You're a class act, as always.
I appreciate the kind words.
Great video.... love history.....lots of sites to wonder their story...........
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you so much for watching!
I never knew that Horn participated in the tracking down and capture of Geronimo. I very well could be wrong about this, but I seem to think that I read at one time that the photo of Horn braiding the rope that you kept showing was taken while he was incarcerated and awaiting trial. Obviously he's not in a jail cell, but he could be outside his cell in the jail house office and wearing leg shackles or something while doing the braiding demonstration. Can anyone confirm what I "think" I'm recalling? Another great video, Rhetty.
BTW, I never get tired of hearing and seeing your opening photos and music. It really stirs something inside of this Old West enthusiast.
Thank you for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm not sure on the specifics of when that photo was taken with the rope. It does sort of appear to be some sort of publicity photo along with the other two right outside of the jail. I've never researched anything further on them but that would be interesting to know. The photos with the ropes are certainly his most popular photos. I think many associate them with him hanging bit they maybe don't know he was a skilled roper.
@@RhettyforHistory Well, here's the answer right near the top of a Google search:
www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/tom-horn-wyoming-enigma
Still fascinating how fun it is to learn from you n your followers 😉. Love some of the headstones more than others but allow are fun to see. Sad how some show how young some of the little ones are.
It's interesting to me to see all of the different cemeteries and the stories there just waiting to be told. That's my favorite thing about cemeteries.
I wasn’t sure of the name until you mentioned the Pinkerton’s, very interesting fellow. I think he may have been a classic example of good and bad (but who really knows).
That little stream running through the cemetery is absolutely beautiful.
So glad their Jane Doe was identified, so sad when they are not. I wonder what the story was there.
Thanks Rhetty ❤️🇦🇺🐨
I'm not sure what the story was on her. I did not look up anything on her. Seems like some sort of murder case. Every so often I run into things like that and others that are never solved as you say. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory I have actually seen quite a few Jane Does now. Sometimes that person was on holidays from another country and the family never realise that there is a Jane Doe over there. It’s really the worst for the family to never know.
I looked up Dorothy Gay “Dot” Howard, previously her grave read Jane Doe, April 1954 age about 20 years. She was identified in 2009 and in May 2010, the original grave stone was embedded into a new stone, with her name on her grave at last. So sad, her family had to wait 55 years to know what happened to her. She was 18 years old and she was very beautiful. The family don’t know why she was in Colorado, where she was found murdered. She was unrecognisable and had perfect teeth, so no dental records to help with identification. Her sister thought she was out there somewhere living her life, how sad to finally find out she wasn’t. They believe she was killed by, Harvey Glatman, later executed in California. He was one of the nations first serial killers. There is plenty of information about her now on the internet.
No telling how many missing persons cases could be solved from those.
Wow, that is incredible sad. I figured it had to be a murder but had no idea it went back so far. It sure was unsolved a long time and it makes me wonder if her family was even around to have closure. Thank you for researching that and sharing it with us. I've never heard of that guy but it sounds like he met karma.
If you have covered the meaning of leaving a coin on a veteran's stone I missed it. I might suggest you do that and explain the different coins and the meaning.
I have it in different videos here and there but nothing by the title. I have also covered it in livestreams.
@Greg And, if you leave a dollar, you're expecting change.
another fine video, love Tom Horn.
Thank you so much for watching!
Great video! 🙂👍
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Incredible story. Thanks Rhett for this peace of history. Stay safe 🙏
You're welcome and thank you for watching!
Good stuff, brother 👏
Thank you John and I appreciate you watching!
''Why are there fences around cemeteries''?
'Because people are just DYING to get in...''
Very Good Vlog....Thanks...
You're welcome and thank you for watching John!
Whike your in the area,r u gonna put a camera on Huck Finns grave?
I'm not in the area any longer and I'm really not familiar with where that is. Thank you for watching.
Tom Horn is a very interesting person from the Wild West. I have seen the movie starring Steve McQueen but I always had the feeling that he was innocent but I could be wrong. I wouldn't mind reading a book about him.
It is possible he was set up by the very people he was trying to help. It was a different time period for sure. No matter what his history is somewhat of a mystery and it has gotten people to talk about him for almost 120 years after he died. Thank you for watching!
Steve McQueen became a devoted Christian at the end of his life. He also was benevolent towards a boys home where he grew up because he appreciated the structure and nurturing received there compared to his parents. Steve McQueen hero!
Another great western video I've heard of Tom Horn before. It was very interesting it's a shame he went to good to bad but a lot of the westerners did that for some reason I'm glad you're enjoying your vacation and applied your children are joining at keep up the good can't wait for your next one wherever you going to be Colorado is very pretty what I saw on the videos it looks very nice well you and your family have a wonderful day take care of yourself thank you for your wonderful videos bye for now one of your fans
Thank you so much for always watching and commenting! You're right about Colorado being pretty. It is certainly one of the most beautiful states in the union and I have always loved it there. When I was younger I always thought it would be a place I would live. I have a lot more to come from this state and some others. Luckily the girls went shopping with Sarah so it allowed me to capture some interesting stories!
Another video that my Dad would've enjoyed.
Thank you so much for watching Richard!
Well, I've listened to and read too many times about those pictures of Tom Horn "making" rope so, I have to say something. He's not making rope. He's braiding reins to be used on a Hackamore. Note the different colors in the reins. They're made of horse hair (mane and tail). We still use them to this day. McQueen is the only actor I've seen in a movie (Tom Horn) to use one on the horse he's riding. And he did a pretty damn good job of it. He either did some cowboying in his time or, somebody did a great job of teaching him. The horse was a little high-headed but, he handled him pretty good. Too bad there's not more actors like him.
13:17 Just curious but do the ducks by any chance eat the grass or poop in one of the graves? In my cemetery there are Geese that literally Poop on the gravestones. Made me angry.
Both ducks and geese will eat moss, grass, flowers, berries etc. If it is a flat lying marker then they will definitely defecate on them. Birds are generally more of a problem then ducks or geese but that would vary from location to location. The sad thing is there isn't much you can do. Birds have many state and federal laws that protect them. The only birds that do not are sparrows and starlings. Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the video, I like Colorado and the mountains in the summer also. I have been within a few miles of this cemetery three times and did not know Tom Horn was there. I also went through Dubois Wyoming and did not know the Marine Chance Phelps was there, had I known I would have left a penny on his headstone. The movie Taking Chance did not cover his actions on the day he died he saved a lot of Marines by laying down cover fire. This is what happens when you don't do your research before your trip. I think Bill Miller killed the boy Tom was hung for. Also think Bill Miller killed Pat Garrett.
That movie Taking Chance wad excellent and it showed a side of war not really seen in movies or by most people. It made it much more personal and it truly showed the toll that is felt by those surrounding the fallen. No matter where I go I always seem to find people that I missed later on. Research is difficult sometimes and also time is short. It does give me an excuse to go back as I know I have a lot more to cover in the area. I knew of more but I just didn't have the time. Wish I did though. Thank you for watching James!
@@RhettyforHistory The daughter of one of my high school buddies recently retired from the Air Force at the rank of Col. Her last duty was the C.O. of the division that handles the fallen. I saw her mother last week at a class reunion and she told me she never missed meeting a casket at the air port during her service.
It really is a service all in it's own. I have a friend who would dress the service members very meticulously and Honorably after they had fallen during Desert Storm. To hear him talk about what he did truly is a unique experience.
My mom's Grandfather on her mother's side in Delta Colorado came from Pennsylvania moving to Perryton Texas becoming the Sheriff. Then moving the family to Delta Colorado where the Horne family and Sanders family Settled. My Mom's dad and mother married Horne and Sanders. My mom is a Sanders became big Cattle Ranchers in Delta. They are in the Delta Museum
i was watching Daze with jordan and lion i live in Bartlesville,oklahoma first time here
Awesome! Welcome to the channel and I'm glad you are here! I just went thru there this last weekend! Thanks for watching Bruce!
Very interesting. Make all those good memories ☝️🙏🙏
Thank you so much for watching Rebecca!
this was very interesting ..very clean ..thank you
Thank you for watching Jody and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Very interesting thankyou
You're welcome and I appreciate you watching Debra!
Tom Horn was at the very end of the 'Old West' era. A photo of his execution day shows onlookers standing with bicycles, not horses.
Impossible for the "Parents" of Horn next to him, shows them born in 1852 while Tom Horn born in 1861??, maybe his brother but not his father,
Good morning Rhetty
Good morning Victoria! Thank you for watching!
Good one👍🏼
Thank you for watching graycloud!
I'm wondering if he was related 🤔 my Great Grandfather being a Lawman in Perryton Texas. He's buried in Delta Colorado 🥰 George Horn 🌹
Very interesting and you never know. Tom was from MO originally but they could be related somehow. Thank you for watching!
Yes my mom's family on her mom's side was from around Ohio area 🥰
Saw the movie at the theater. Tom Horn was unjustly hung. RIP Mr. Horn.
Thank you for watching!
My real name is Michael McCluskey. I'm not a real wizard. I'm just self-taught in many things. Thank you for taking me through this. The name Tom Horn sounds familiar.
Yesterdays politics is no different than today’s politics as long as they need you you’re doing a job for them everything is great when they don’t need you anymore they won’t be on your side they’ll let you walk out on a limb and they will saw it off
My English literature teacher in high-school was Related to Tom Horn. Tom was his great uncle.
I watch the movie with Steve McQueen in it and I have read about some of the things he done I need to read his biography I had no idea that they took him from Wyoming to Boulder after he was hung I think Buffalo Bill was buried up there or Golden I seen his grave once long time ago but I can’t remember where for sure
I will have a couple videos on Bill coming soon. He certainly has a unique burial location and the odd thing about it is that the location of his grave is debated by some. Thank you for watching Scott!
All the information about Dorothy Howard (Jane Doe) is on the internet, if anybody is interested.
Very sad story, about a very beautiful girl. RIP Dorothy. ❤️🇦🇺🐨
Thank you again for looking that up and sharing with us!
I had my picture taken next to his grave marker in June of 2012
This is certainly a big one to visit. Glad you were able to do so. Thank you for watching!
Yes it was on my bucket list
Hey Rhetty, I enjoyed the video but you didn't mention that according to the headstone Tom Horns' mother was only 7 years old and his father was only 9 years old when Tom was born. Is that possible?
Are you talking about the marker to the left of Tom? That was his brother Charlie and sister in law. Charlie claimed Tom's body and had him buried there. I did have a pop up saying who they were. You may have missed that. Tom's parents are buried I. Canada. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory Hey Rhetty, it says mother and father on the headstone. I'm assuming they are Tom's mother and father.
It does say mother and father on the headstone but they are not Tom's. Right after I tell the story and then break away to their marker is when it pops up who they are. Right before that I show a photo of Charlie claiming Tom's remains.
At 8:42 you will see it displayed in the video.
Thank you for the info I have the Lefors family name so I was insterested.
Good video on Gary Cooper 👍
Gary Cooper?
@@RhettyforHistory seeing if you read your comments 👍
That I do.
I've lived in Missouri all my life, born & raised here. While I was watching some of your video's, I thought (like the man did), that a lot of outlaws came from Missouri. However, if this is correct Steve McQueen comes from Slater, Missouri. So chalk one good guy up, also one of my favorite actors. I've seen the Jesse James farm, etc. in Kearney, Missouri. If you haven't covered that as yet, you should, it's very interesting enjoyed all your videos I've learned a lot Judith yelton
Why was his body transported from Wy to Co. for burial?
Cheyenne, WY and Boulder, CO aren't that far apart. Some considered the hanging of Tom Horn wrong and that he was hanged on a drunk false confession. One of those people was a rancher in Boulder who paid for his plot and marker.
@@RhettyforHistory via horse and carrying a load they didn't make that trip in under 4 days, not exactly a Sunday stroll in the park. Someone must have cared about him.
Toms Horns book says he was born in 1860 not 1861 like his head stone shows.
I had read about Tom Horn. Too bad his life took a turn for the worse. He could have been a good man.
He certainly walked the line between good and bad. Thank you for watching Greg!
keep these stories coming, really enjoy learning history of our America
I definitely have a lot more coming!
I've got the movie Tom Horn & always felt he was set up. That particular rifle as was used in the movie wasn't a good long range rifle. It's round was about as efficient as a brick. I assume the movie held faithful to the book as it was reported to. If you watch the movie you should see what I mean. Changing the subject roughly a mile from my place is a stone of Noah Crane, Rev War teamster, died, I think, 1833. No birth date given.
That is an interesting grave that is near you. Is there much more information that you know about him? That sounds like it could be challenging. Thank you for watching!
In this area there's 4 cemeteries that are gone. I'm 72 & they were long gone before my time. There were supposedly 3 forts in this area, not sure of 2 but the 3rd stood where our present cemetery is. Alot of the farmers plowed the cemeteries up & tossed the stones. There's 1 not far from my place that was known as the Stillwell Cemetery. Only I could find was tossed in the woods read Eliza Ann McGuire, died 1854, age 27.
That is sad that happened but I know it is more common than most realize.
This area's in southern IL, Wabash Co to be exact. There's a lot of history here. Hardly anyone is interested in it & I would like to pass on what I know & have heard.
I've often thought Horn was innocent. The court didn't allow exculpatory evidence in.
You're right about things not being allowed. It was certainly a controversial case. I know a mock trial was done probably some 90 years later and found him innocent. But of course that isn't official. We will never fully know what all he did nor why and that only adds to the mystery of him. I'm not saying he was innocent but I'm sure those who were around him betrayed him. Thank you for watching Kirk.
@@RhettyforHistory You're more than welcome I really enjoyed it.
I'm glad you did my friend!
The civil war graves have headstones facing in front of the grave toward the casket. That’s old time.
Poor Tom horn who was hung for a murder he didn't commit and jack Johnson did and wasn't blamed for it .
Ironically, Tom Horn was hanged for the one murder he probably didn’t commit.
formation of troops face one another in that fashion. Same for the captain, he faces outside of the formation in that way.
It does sort of look like a formation but you never see some sort of platoon like that. I've never seen that in another cemetery.
the odd monument had a death date of May 16,1964,that is the day l was born! what was the name l couldnt make it out?
It was actually difficult to make out as it was hand inscribed. Someone has looked it up and gave more information about it in one of the comments though.
When one passes away, God knows what happens after. There are those that will say he was a bad man, and those that will say he was a good man. Either way, the deceased knows if he was a good man or not.
All I can say, to be very good, you have to be a little bit bad.
I'd love to go to all the graves you show.
There are a lot of interesting ones out there. Thank you for watching!
The dates on the parents graves can't be very accurate, unless you believe his dad was 9 at the time of his birth.
The headstones do say parents but they are not his parents. That is his brother and sister and law. In the video I did say they were relatives and then when they were shown I had a pop up showing who they were. Tom's parents are actually buried in Canada. Tom's brother Charlie claimed Tom's body and that is why he is buried there and they are next to each other.
Charles and Elizabeth can't be Tom's parents. Elizabeth was 7yo in the year Tom was born (Charles was 2 years older)
and more likely Charles was Tom's eldest brother.
Tom was 5th child out of 12 and most likely his parents were born around 1930 or even late 1920s and for reasons unknown couldn't or didn't want to retrieve his body so his older brother took the responsibility.
The original photos of Tom Horn in his cell are in the Tom Carroll family museum (their old ranch where my mother grew up). Persons sentenced to be hung had a choice between store bought rope or making their own (which is what Tom is doing in the photos). Store bought ropes stretched. Pretty interesting museum including a Colt 1911 engraved to Tom Carroll from J. Edgar Hoover.
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I know there was an art to making ropes and even today there are two kinds. The traditional way was made from cowhides, Those will actually stretch and they take quite a bit to make. The cowboys like Tom Horn probably made them this way. The modern day store bought ones are made from nylon and do not stretch at all. Many places in the west still make and use those cowhide ropes. You will not see them in the PRCA or the IPRA but I know they are in different rodeos of the west on the open prairies and lands. I am sure the Tom Horn rodeo in WY uses those. Thank you for watching Will!
I'LL JUST SAY THANKS,,, AND REST IN PEACE TOM,,, BUT HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
One Great Great Uncle Robbed another brothers bank.😁💯
Makes you wonder what the heck 🤔
I'm pretty sure that Tom is lying by one of his brothers. The reason I say that is because his brother got his body after he was hung.
Tom and his brother Charles are the only ones buried there
Tom Horn was an old west hitman
Yes that is true.
Tom Horn was a killer for hire. Don’t know if he killed for pleasure. I’ve wondered…
We will probably never know that answer. Thank you for watching Robert.
Faces suggested this video.,👍
Just my opinion: But I've always believed Tom was set up by the Cattle Barron's. No doubt he killed, but personally I don't believe he would have gunned down a child.
It's certainly hard to say as he was so controversial. But I have no doubt that the cattle Barrons led him down this path and then disappeared on him. Thank you for watching!
You are most welcome, thank you ✔️
My youngest son looks just like my Great Grandfather 😌
I always find genetics interesting!
Very much so 😎
I don t belive tom killed the boy . I don t belive he killed half the me they say he killed . A good book on the subject is blood on the moon
There have certainly been some newer works and investigations done on him. Some of them are really good. There was even a mock trial that was done much later and found him innocent. Either way he was certainly a controversial figure in his time and his history and mystery are still discussed and debated on to this day. It's strange but he has certainly been remembered. Thank you for watching Steve.
So, he confessed to murdering a kid and he's famous?
The barons used Tom Horn to do their dirty work then hanged him for it. Just my opinion.
Yeah that's the way many of those who do wrong are. I've seen it time and time again throughout history. Doesn't matter if you are studying outlaws in the old west, depression gangsters, mobsters or anything else. Thank you for watching!