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RAM 2500 Power Wagon 6.4 HEMI Towing Test | BETTER Then You Think!!
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- I test out my 2022 RAM 2500 Power Wagon with the 6.4 HEMI's Towing ability. I tow 80% (8,200 lbs) of the Power Wagon max towing capacity and see how it compares to my old RAM 1500. the conclusion is that this 2022 RAM Power Wagon CAN tow and it is actually really good at towing, In other words "SHE PULLS"!!
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I am northern Ontario and my father in law needed a hand towing his skid steer back into town for some repairs. He figured it would be an awesome test for this truck to see if its any good at towing. the total weight was probably a little north for 8,000lbs. the trailer was 3,200 and the skid steer was slightly under 5,000 but we were not sure how much the bucket weighed. Either way it was a great weight to test out this trucks towing ability.
first we had to two this skid steer out of the bush which meant that I had to be in 4wd lock because the road was pretty snowy and had some good hills. at some points all 4 wheels were spinnning up hills which was kinda sketchy but that's the beauty of the Power Wagon, it has an awesome 4x4 set up for situations just like this.
After we got out of the bush we had a long highway drive down to around Toronto. this is where I figured we could truly see whether or not this Power Wagon was any good at towing when at highway speeds. this is where this truck settled nicely. this truck was very comfortable with this load behind. lots of power, I could easily pass people if needed. the truck road very smoothly and the trailer was not pushing me around at all. very impressive for a truck that apparently isn't good at towing.
Fuel mileage was 10 mpg for the trip which I thought wasnt too bad.
I compared this truck alot to my old 1500 in this video because the towing numbers are very similar to a 1500 but I just felt way more confident towing with this truck then I ever did with my 1500.
anyways guys I hope you like the video!
Great video. I didn’t buy a Power Wagon as a toy. It’s the only truck I’ve ever owned that can haul a tractor or skid steer up a snowy mountain road. In the winter, it’s the only way to get hay out across snowy pastures, unless you use a tractor, which is fine if you have two hours to spare. When the Power Wagon is in 4 low, with front and rear axles locked, it IS a tractor, just a little faster!
couldn't agree more!
Appreciate your comment... I am looking into one of the for pulling a trailer every once in a while. We are in Northern Nevada... snow country - 4x4 necessary.
I tow a 7150lb GVWR travel trailer (~950lb tongue weight) with my 2021 Power Wagon and I agree, it really doesn’t feel like it’s working hard. My trans temp stays rock solid at 168* regardless of grade or RPM. 6th gear is a 1:1 ratio in the 8HP75, feels great under load. I recently took the trailer up a mountain peaking at 14,000ft elevation and was surprised the truck just didn’t care. It has exceeded my expectations both towing and off-road. Thanks for the videos!
Awesome to hear the PW can tow at elevation as well! Like I mentioned in the video this exact power trains is rated for 17,000lbs on any other ram 2500 so this truck should be able to rock it's max towing capacity of 10,600 like a dream. but what I was surprised about is how solid the truck was under load. obviously, you can tell your towing but it was very comfortable and effortless to drive with a load!
While towing did you ever feel like you were in a situation where you were worried about the distance to the next gas station? One thing I'm worried about with the lower mpg. Stopping frequently or not seeing a station in time.
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No Alex, when the mirrors are flipped up, the measurements convert from horse power to moose power.
I have a 2020 Power Wagon and I tow a 38ft toy hauler (travel trailer). Fully loaded, the trailer is close to 12k lbs and it's 13.5' tall, and the power wagon pulls it beautifully. I do have air bags in the back, and I have a Hensley hitch to prevent sway, but I'm very happy with how the truck pulls overall
Ya I can believe it! I'm now curious why the tow rating is so low. I mean are they that worried about the soft suspension 🤔. Because you put an extra 1500 lbs over the max tow rating of a ram 1500 and that thing would STRUGGLE. Whereas the PW seem to tow eith ease at their max tow rating and beyond
Which air bags did you get and did you notice a change in articulation off road or rougher ride on the road?
finally a real world north of the border test in shitty Canadian weather that lasts more than 25 kms by a guy that actually does work and knows stuff. most videos have guys in places like Arizona @ 20 degrees with a stopwatch discussing birds on fenceposts wearing shiny new boots. well done! i live in the Kootenays in BC i've been thinking about getting a new truck, i have an 04 cummins that i pull big stuff with and a 18 1500 i use for boats, sleds, etc. some angry lady that lives in my house says i only need one so i'll be heading to the dealership. thanks for the insight.
Lmao that made me laugh, I had two trucks at one point also and well one of them got sold! But ya I wanted to test this truck out because everyone complains about its towing numbers and I wanted to see if it was really that bad. truth is this truck can pull a load very well and I imagine if you have a "normal" 2500 it would tow even better. The 6.7 will run laps around this truck with a load but if you aren't towing crazy big numbers and can deal with some increased fuel mileage it does well! even in the shitty Canadian winters
I have talked to Jeep engineers at MOAB about Jeep stuff, and in the same conversation I brought up the Power Wagon as I am looking to buy one. I mentioned the lack luster towing out of the PW for being a 2500. They said it was only due to the suspension. They said "unofficially" that RAM tested them far beyond that, and the truck did fine. The reason the suspension is the limiting factor is due to the manufacture unwilling to go any higher.
Side no Bilstein wanted the PW to have a max tow rating of 8500 lbs so they could go all out on the offroad stuff. RAM then told them they were developing the TRX for that.
I will be purchasing a 2023 PW if prices get back to normal.
Cheers!
2022 ram 2500 6.4 hemi with 4:10 gears. I bought it to tow a cat 259d Ctl and I don’t regret it. I tow it 5 days a week and for mid range loads it’s very capable a couple times I’ve maxed it out at 17,000 pounds and I don’t notice a difference between that and my daily load.
I think a Power Wagon with Air Lift air bags would be the ultimate. I put them on my lifted Sport and holy shit! Even at -28 degrees Celsius I put a skid of dog food in the back and there was no squat, no break in the lines. I cant imagine a Power Wagon with them. For 250 bucks? Air them down get a great ride on and off road. Then when you want to Tow/Haul? Pump them up and run it like a stock Ram 2500.
I have a 2019 power wagon and I’ve been towing my 13 K travel trailer with it without any issue. I’ve proven over and over again that the power wagon can easily handle 13k And a lot more payload on the spec suggests.
It’s severely underrated by ram so you got plenty more capability hide in there.
could not agree more. my 2017 ram 1500 had a max payload of 1,540lbs and when I loaded it up the rear axle was sitting on the bump stops. my power wagon had a max payload of 1,480lbs but even with around 2500lbs in the back the rear axle wasn't bottomed out.
Have airbags at 13k how’s it tow in the mountains?
I traded in my 2018 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi last April for a 2021 Ford F-350 7.3 Big Block Godzilla with 4.30 gears , 10 speed trans. I don’t miss the Ram one bit . The Ford even gets better MPG’s . The Ram was a good truck but the F-350 with the 7.3 & 10 speed is a outstanding truck .
that 10 speed would be awesome!
@HalfShell I'm no ford guy but those 7.3s are nice. I wish ram would of come out with a 426 or 440 for the HDs
That 4.30 rear end for towing, in & of itself, is absolutely no joke
Brought your apple to compare with the orange guy nyuk nyuk
Had a 16 ram 1500 hemi. It towed so well and felt really planted.
Best part was when I realized you were driving through Perry, I recognized the blue roofed mechanic shop
Regarding your comparison between your previous RAM 1500 and your Power Wagon. My guess in the felt difference in the way they tow is due to the relative weights and wheelbase of the trucks.
The 2024 has drastically improved its towing to over 17K
We had a 2003 Dodge 3500 4x4 with the 5.7 that was the general company multipurpose truck. I had a random day where I needed to move a trailer and my service truck had to stay with our other mechanic. So I took it for that trip. The 6500 lb trailer I pulled taxed that engine so badly that a 5% grade took me from 60 down to 40 with my hazards on. No check engine lights, I even took it to the dealer because I couldn’t believe nothing was wrong with it.
I’ve been looking at these wondering how they do, because after that experience with the 5.7 I was mortified by the things I hear from people giving it all the hype.
I have a 2023 ram 1500 with the 5.7 e torque towing capacity is 11,200 pounds I believe and I pulled 11,000 my camper it did squat but I pulled it like a champ
I've used a 2019 RAM 2500 6.4 for towing 6 tons a few times w/ 4.10 rear end. Rides like it isn't even there, but honestly for towing you can never cheap out on the rear end ratio
My buddy towed a 8000lbs load give or take same kind of skidsteer with his 2018 V6 1500 and it took it like a champ definitely was sqautted like no tomorrow and all highway but still lol
I couldn't justify the price of a three quarter ton compared to my half ton. I got the quad cab and the slightly longer box. 3.92 gear. Non e-torque 5.7. class 4 hitch and an intergrated trailer brake controller. I hauled an empty 7x14 enclosed cargo trailer from victoria all the way to saskatoon, loaded it up, which was probably between 6500, and 7500 pounds, and towed it back to the island. I didnt have a single issue. Going over train tracks and stuff kinda sucked. But i think it would suck for basically anything. Yeah the payload isnt great. Suspension is soft. But with weight distribution hitches, and timbrend bump stops, air bags, or upgrading your coils, you can help the ride feel better. Nothing can increase your payload sadly. But i do have a 97 ram 2500 with a 12 valve in it. And its got a payload of like 3500 pounds. So im covered either way. But im happy with my half ton. Does what it needs to.
Didn't buy a PW to tow, bought I ry to be able to get through whatever the roads and weather threw my way and to have the ability to be able to hit backroads and trails without having to worry about if I would be able to get through them regardless of c of conditions
Ram should bring back the 440 hemi motor cam in block with modern design that is money in the bank
I mean it would be cool but seeing as they are ditching the hemi anyways, I feel like all these manufacturers are going to start looking at other ways to make power without increasing displacement.
Very helpful review. Thank you!
happy you liked it!
"Wasn't supposed to snow today!" Everyone in Canada heard that before.
Shit. Flipping those mirrors was overkill 😅
Got one as well!!! Nice trailer and load
I don’t have the 4*4 but I do have the 2500 with the hemi and the 4.10 gear it’s a tow pig I like the power wagon also it’s just a different beast !!
Thanks for the awesome video. I recently bought a Ram 3500 6.4 Hemi I’d like to know your opinion on this vs F350 7.3
I had a 08 mega cab Cummins. Absolutely loved the truck…… but it rusted everywhere in 8 years. Started the second year of ownership. Living in Northern Illinois lots of salt. I downgraded to a F150 3.5 eco boost. Has tons of power but is all over the road pulling a enclosed snowmobile trailer. Mileage is very low when towing also. Very unnerving in snow hardening to northern WI. I’ve had it 7 years and no rust yet. Gotta love the aluminum body. Do you think ram has figured out the rust issue at all? Would hate to buy new with the highway prices now and have it rusted away in a few years.
Hey bud loving the videos! Can I ask a huge favor? Can you measure the height of the power wagon loaded vs unloaded by chance?
Ya I could, I was hoping to a do a max payload video and see how much it drops. I figure that kind of what you mean?
@@TheGettyAdventures yeah kind of something like that. Basically we have zero power wagons I can go look at from the local dealers and I am trying to make sure my $65k investment will indeed fit into my garage! I know I have the length but the width and the height seem a little iffy. My main concern is that sharkfin deal on the roof for height and how wide the mirrors are when fully extended. Thanks again for a great video! Stay warm!
Yeah, I don't know that I could ever go back to a 1500 after owning my 2021 2500 with the big Hemi
Have you thought of putting sumo springs to help towing larger loads.
i have a 6.7 cummins 3500 with 146k i have a low end stumble with no codes. i has had a dpf code at one point a d a nox sensor at one point. any help as to what could be going on?
How much you pay for the payment? How much down payment, I’m think to have a RAM 2500.. I wanna some recommendation. Thank you
Do you think airbags can be installed into the PW? I'm looking for one.
Have seen a few of your videos. That are good. But, the audio balance from you talking to music playing is a lot. Constantly trying to get back to my phone to change the volume.
There is no comparison between a 1500, I agree with your conclusion. If you are just needing a truck to haul some mulch and bicycles, get a 1500. They ride as good as a Cadillac.
yup! I mean a 1500 will tow the average travel trailer and be just fine but if you are serious about towing a 2500 is the way to go.
@@TheGettyAdventures This is the conundrum I am in! I use my RAM 1500 5.4L HEMI as an adventure wagon for my family (2 kids) - mountain bikes, canoes, etc. I do have a beefy 23 foot trailer 6400 Lbs and am debating about switching to the Power Wagon. specifically for towing the trailer. My main factor is safety (up and down mountain passes)...what's your take? Should I make the switch? We have a cross Canada trip planned this year and will be seeing all sorts of terrain.
I bought a 2016 Ram 2500 6.4 with 3:73 and it doesn't have the towing power that my F-150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost had. Wishing I had went with the 4:10.
4.10 do seem to pull nice.
A lot of people put air bags under the rear axle with the daystar adapters. Allows you to stiffen the suspension and keep your off-road capability.
Im hoping to do something like that!
@@TheGettyAdventures are you planning on putting any bigger tires on it? 35's will fit without any mods.
How much for that 60k to 100k. bit super awesome
I bought a 2024 Power Wagon today and tow a 25 foot under 6,000 lb Rockwood Mini Lite. Do you think I should be ok with the towing. I bought the Power Wagon for easier driving than my 2021 2500 Tradesman. It was so hard to drive the Tradesman. It had no turning radius, it was rough. I even put new shocks on it and air bags and it really didn’t help the rough ride. What are your thoughts?
how was your driving/ towing experience ? Thinking of buying one
Power Wagon don't care. Can do!
point in the direction you want to go and she goes!
I am seriously considering purchasing a power wagon. After watching many videos like this one, everyone's concern is towing capacity... The motor, trans, and gears are all there right? Only thing lacking is suspension, right? To me a simple cheap fix is an aftermarket airbag set up.
I did this on my ram 1500, and made the world of difference. When I put 60-70 lbs psi in the rear, and the truck hardly squats w 6000 lbs on it.
Is this not possible with this unit? I've yet to see any video w someone adding this option on this truck. Curious why that is?
yep you nailed it. This exact driveline is rated to tow 17,000 lbs. and this truck towed the 8,200 lbs with ease, kind of shocking actually. I've towed a fair bit with my old 1500 and it really is night and day.
now speaking of bags in the rear I'm actually speaking to a company right now and hopefully going to be doing a few videos in the spring measuring payload squat with and without added bags, as well as towing handling with bags.
I have a 2016 power wagon, towed a Kubota 75sl all over the ozaeks and a john deere 35G. Zero issues. 87k miles with original brakes. Solid choice
So It's a 2500 in every way except the suspension, with the bonus of front/ back dif lock and sway bar disconnect?
So what would it take to make it capable of towing 17500? Just switching out the suspension?
In theory yes, I believe that is the only thing holding it back. what a lot of people do it put air bags in the rear to help assist the suspension and you can get away with towing some pretty heavy stuff!
Don't think you would have any trouble towing a 2 horse slant load trailer loaded or 30 ft stock trailer, maybe pushing it with a 4 horse?
4 horse could be pushing it! I was just referring to horse trailers because they are usually heavy and by point was if you are actually towing heavy weight this truck is not for you!
I had a 2012 2500 with the 5.7 pulled 26ft steel stock trailer with 5 horses no problem
@@buckyallen6805 5.7 has lots of power
i'd love one BUT my little v6 makes at his worst 12lt/100km, and i can't picture having something that consumes double of that lol.... like 150$ per week on fuel...naaa thanks.
The mpg seems good to me for being such a big truck. Heck my 2015 Chevy 1500 has a 12mpg avg..
it's kinda crazy that unload this truck was averaging like 11mog and then with a 8,000 lbs load it only dropped 1 or 2 mpg
What made you get a power wagon over a regular ram 2500 6.4 hemi? Since they have larger payload and tow?
Those numbers are liability numbers. The power wagon is the better truck.
Man, I've been wanting a Power Wagon for years. We just started RV camping with the family. You mentioned multiple times about sleds or ATVs and not horse trailers. What is your thought on a 7500 RV trailer? 10 mpg isn't terrible but worse than the 2500 Cummins I rented last year of course.
A PW could tow that with ease. not as comfortable as a Cummins but it would pull that RV way better then any 1500.
Hey Daniel.
If you don't mind me asking. How much better fuel did you get with the diesel??. And why not go diesel since it pull better n give you better fuel??? Just things to help me decide which way to go. 😆 🤣 thx in advance.
@@Nerves848676 I was averaging about 15mpg with the Diesel. Watching Getty's other videos, diesels seem to have more problems. Also, I really like the way the PW looks. For the $10k additional spend for the Diesel, it's going to take a lot of 5mpg difference to make up that money.
What is the payload capacity for your Power Wagon?
The Rebel only has rear locking dif. And the PW is a Ram product. Not Chrysler. Little difference but one that needs to be made. Lol
What??
I have a ram 1500 big horn short box with the 3.21 gears and I’ve maxed out the tow rating a couple times about 8k lbs. my dads boat is like 7k it will pull it just fine but the payload wasn’t great 1300lbs it does struggle with some stuff but if I had 3.92 gears I think it would pull even more
My big horn also had 3.21 gears, and like I loved that truck but idk I was honestly surprised how much it had to work with only 5,200 ish pounds behind it. That truck towed that weight without issue but you could tell it was hard on the truck. I would agree I think 3.92 gear would make a difference.
@@TheGettyAdventures I’ve heard and seen if you go and buy a 6.4 hemi intake manifold it will fit on a 5.7 hemi I thought of doing it I think the truck would act much better
@@dgreco1374 really eh ? I'll have to look into that. could be a good way to make some power!
@@TheGettyAdventures yes it is
@@TheGettyAdventures love the vids by the way I know more about my truck now then when I bought it
Your 1500 would've benefitted from a good wdh for your enclosed trailer. I tow a 6200lb 24ft travel trailer with a 4pt wdh and it tows beautifully.
potentially yes! what kind of gearing do you have?
@@TheGettyAdventures I have the stock 3.21 like in your 1500. Can easily get under 11L/100 on the hwy empty and 21-24L/100 towing.
@@Weak_juan exactly what I was getting with my 3.21's. I love the fuel mileage of those trucks but ya when towing they like to drink.
How does the powerwagon compare to the 1500 on really rocky washed out roads? Ride and comfort?
It's stiffer then a 1500. that solid front axle doesn't do any favors for ride quality. but in comparison to a normal 2500 its like riding on a cloud.
Im curious how the rear diff temp on the power wagon compares to a regular 2500 when towing the same amount of weight
that is a wonderful question! I honestly don't even know if the rear diff has a temp sensor, if it does please let me know and I talk about it next time I do some towing or a towing comparison
powerwagon is straight axle and the rebel is IFS......ENOUGH SAID
Exactly! just a stronger set up in general!
The only thing that im so Undecided is the payload. Every power wagon i punch the vin # in the ram website are low. Like 1400 to 1500. Thats low considering my 5.7 is 1700. Now the reg 6.4 hemi not power wagon is much higher. Can anyone confirm if the power wagons actually have a lower payload then regular 6.4??
ohhh ya. the power wagon has a much lower payload. mine has 1530 I think. the reason is because the suspension is much softer then a normal 2500. and that soft suspension is what makes the power wagon so special off road. but unfortunately it also gives the truck a very low payload.
I have a 2017 PW with the 6 speed, my eco light only comes on when I let off the gas in my 1500 ram it was on most time on the hwy just wondering if the 8 speed on the new PW's let's the mds work more or not.
with my 1500 the MDS was on alot more like yours. with this 2022 power wagon it comes on usually when I'm coasting or cruising behind someone going slow. but when I'm driving alone on country roads over 90km/h (50 mph) it rarely comes on. I think it's because the truck needs too much power to keep rolling at the desired speed. so it keeps all 8 cylinders fueled and running. whereas the lighter 1500's can get away will less power and therefore be in 4 cylinder mode much more often.
@@TheGettyAdventures Thanks for the quick reply, ya the truck is probably to heavy. I just put in a k+n air filter today and it seems to have gotten the truck another mpg, keep up the great videos.
@@120rain4 Really??? how much did that run you? I wouldn't say no to another MPG lol
@@TheGettyAdventures Goes in the stock air box, not a CAI, cost $80 at Canadian Tire.
@@120rain4 that's not all that bad!
Better than* you think.
Cummins Power Wagon
good video - now compare the power wagon to a cummins :O
That's the plan! the cummins will wipe the floor with this truck when it comes to towing but I think it would still be a cool video!
@@TheGettyAdventures 100% agree but honestly the power wagon is so cool that its close... front and rear lockers... disconnecting sway bars.. built in winch... its so cool that it almost outweighs the benefit of all that power :)
The 'Bobcat' was loaded backwards...
why do you say that?
@@TheGettyAdventures The counter weight (the rear of the 'Bobcat') is supposed to be on the tongue side not ramp side. It might not be a problem in this case but a larger unit could cause the trailer to sway going down the road. It's the weight distribution.
@@jeffsikula2920 That's what I figured when you mentioned it. luckily she towed well but I tried to make sure there was decent tongue weight. I've seen those demonstrational videos of trailers set up wrong and it's a scary thing lol. thank you for the info sir!
@@TheGettyAdventures Yes, Sir!
Are you making payments on it?
Ya the bank owns this truck for now
good video, but your 1500 had highway gears if I remember correctly 3:21 not great for towing, my Warlock has 3:92 with max towing 10280lbs, how it would compare to the power wagon? can you do a video on the different gears 3:21, 3:55, 3:92 vs your 4:10
3:73
Man that truck is almost 2000 pounds heaver then a 1500 truck. It going to manage a trailer better.
I had a 2017 Ram Rebel 3:92 towed a 22 foot Sled trailer loaded up 7800 pounds ish. The truck had the power but did not feel safe going up. and worse coming down. Bought a 2019 Power Wagon same trailer same route worse weather and the 2500 Power Wagon was a beast. It was in control the whole way up and down. Better to have too much truck then not enough. Or stay home.
No kidding the Power Wagon will handle it better, it's a 2500 series truck! But that was not what I was getting at , power pulls 10k max, my 1500 pulls 10280k Max, yes power wagon will do better but what about get up and go? , up hills? Keep speed? Fuel mileage? , I would love to of hooked up to that trailer just to see the difference, anyways sorry if I said anything wrong or asked a bad question just gathering information
@@martinanne2006 Off the line i would say the Power wagon with 4:10 and a bit more power. I had the same wonder. The Rebel was harder on fuel in my case towing. I live in B.C. It all depends on were your trucking. I would not recommend max towing with a half ton truck.
Chains
I’ve towed more than that with my 1500 😇
I don't doubt it! but this thing was so planted compared to my old 1500. cool to see the difference!
@@TheGettyAdventures sweet ! What gen 1500?
Too lite a weight for a test
If you want to tow on a regular basis . Dont buy a Power Wagon. There are better options.
if you buy a power wagon for towing you have bigger issues lol
4 hrs to Toronto and you say your in “Northern” Ontario. Dude needs to look at a map
Please people don’t buy a fucking power wagon for regular towing.
Could not agree more! this truck is not meant for daily towing. obviously it can tow but it's not set up for that. buy a normal 2500 if you need a work truck!