Hey bud, really appreciate your videos. Actually going to look at a 2018 PW today. I was feeling a little apprehensive about buying one simply because of the tow rating. I love the look of the PW and also believe the tow rating is low simply due to the softer suspension for more off road axle articulation. Seems to be quite the capable truck and I don't pull near the max tow rating. I really apptreciate your videos on this subject. Thanks
Ram should hire you as a consultant because you know what you are talking about, you use the truck the way most people would, and you identify potential problems and strong characteristics of the PW.
Early 2000's I had a Chevy 3500 gaser with 454, 4:11 rear, auto trans. I had just purchased a new 2nd Gen Dodge 2500 with cummins, but needed to tow my new tractor from the dealer and was waiting for the gooseneck hitch for my new Dodge. Tractor was a New Holland with loader, rear tire ballast and rear wheel weights, the dealer told me it weighed around 9500 lb. I used a 24' gooseneck flatbed equipment trailer, loaded the tractor behind the 3500 dually chevy, that truck was a dog! It sucked! The Dodge 2500 was my first Dodge and first diesel truck, after getting the GN hitch in the Dodge 2500, I loaded the tractor on the same GN trailer and drove close to 100 miles to see how the Dodge 2500 handled the weight. I got home, told my wife I will never tow with that Chevy 3500 again, sold it 2 weeks later. Later traded that Dodge 2500 for a new Dodge 3500 dually 4x4 with HO 5.9, a few years ago traded it and got a 2017 Ram, Limited, HO 6.7 and aisin trans. I keep a escalade for driving, but will probably always have a cummins diesel for towing.
So tractor data data says the tractor is 4200-4500, lets go with 4500 lbs. They dont list the spec for that loader, but a lower capacity one that weighs 600 lbs, I think thats without the bucket. So lets call this bigger loader 1000 lbs. Plus another 500 for the bucket. 40 gallons of ballast per tire, if water is 350ish, if calcium its around 450 per tire. So you are around 6900 lbs give or take, worst case probably around 7200 if we were off on the loader/bucket weight by a bit. You guys initial guess was probably fairly close. To me it looks like that bent hitch was hit by something pretty good and not by the tractor/trailer setup.
La diferencia en el POWER WAGON es que esa potencia no es para remolque, es para subir pendientes, el propósito de la suspensión es ser imparable en el offroad no es para jalar un remolque. Las HD 2500 son muy capaces de remolcar lo que sea pero no son las mejores en todo terreno. Para casos extremos o de rescate entonces solo para eso se creó la POWER WAGON, ORIGINALMENTE PARA USO MILITAR Y DE GUARDA PARQUES. POR ESO ES QUE LA SUSPENSIÓN NO ESTA CALIBRADA PARA JALAR REMOLQUES!
Great video Alex. You raise some good points regarding towing weight estimates - it can be difficult to find the correct weight numbers - in my case, For instance I had to figure out boat, motor, trailer weight and combine the numbers to ensure I’m not exceeding the vehicle tow limits. Then there is trailer lights, tires and bearings to think about lol - all of this to avoid breaking down at the side of a highway lol - thanks buddy cheers
Haha ya there are a lot of things to think about. if you we had to tow this tractor a few hundred miles we may have been in trouble. but overall happy the way the truck performed despite maybe being overweight!
Should find a scale to weigh the tractor and trailer separately. Then weigh the whole thing truck included. Just to answer your own question. And ours too. I did a crazy pull out of Georgia to Ohio. 16,500lbs total. F150, heavy trailer and tractor. Scaled myself at a CAT Scale about half way up after fueling up. 2.7 liter twin turbo. Had great trailer brakes. But was WAY TO HEAVY! Blew through fuel like crazy. Won't be doing that ever again.
We should of scaled it but at the same time we thought we knew the weight lol but ya she was most likely over weight. 16,000 lbs on an f150 is heavy lol
@@GettysGarage Air bags kept it level. Since I run over the road I was use to loads. About 75-100 miles I was settled into a groove and rolling. Drove through the night so traffic was very minimal. That helped a lot.
Hey Alex question for you. I just bought a 2024 6.4 Hemi 2500 truck and I need to know your opinion on the MDS system. I'm getting conflicting info on whether I should be shutting it off each time I drive it OR just let it do its thing because it really doesn't cause any issues. What do you do and whats your opinion on using MDS vs shutting it off when getting into the truck.
Were you towing without a wdh. I have the 2022 Ram 6.4 tradesman. Buying a new trailer thats 7800lbs dry. Would really like to tow it without a wdh. Looking at the bmw 7 inch drop with 14k rating. Appreciate your thoughts and thanks for all your videos!
Hi ! I just bought a power wagon 2020 ! Did you find more info ? I called the Chrysler dodge and they said 17 000 lbs he can pull. But il google and RUclips reviews they said 10500 ! 😩😩😩😩
The only thing i really dont like about my PW is the brakes, always felt spongy, changed the brake fluid and put powerstop pads on front and rear , did help some, less pedel pressure to stop, i have a 2016 PW same color as yours, call her big blue.. thx matt.
I love the color. I just got lucky, this truck was sitting on the dealer lot and and I grabbed it. But yes the brakes are a bit soft in compared to my 1500. but I guess I let it slide because it's also like 2500lbs heavier.
For all you guys screaming, "Why are you doing 63 on a country road with a heavy load!" remember this boy's Canadian and that's 63 furlongs per parsec....or 63 chains per coffee-break, or 63 hectares per day or some such thing. They're different in Canada. Bushels per acre?
I cringed when loading the tractor and the truck was swaying back and forth. Hopefully you had the (E-brake)/parking brake on or maybe some wheel chocks to avoid that
I got my '22 PW in February. We love it. We have a travel trailer that only weighs about 6k and it pulls like there is nothing behind it. We are considering a lightweight 5th (Dry - 8,350lbs and Maxed 11,300), how do you think the PW would fare towing that in a 5th wheel configuration, considering you may have towed 14k. Hahaha. And did you ever weigh the tractor?
So with the potentially heavier tractor you could 100% feel something heavy behind you. but at no point did it feel like the truck was underpowered or unsafe. I think the weight towing behind you isn't an issue for these drivelines. they are rated for much more weight. at 11,300lbs you would be anywhere from 800-500lbs over weight but I don't think this truck would even notice it. if this was a ram 1500 you were talking about (because they can tow up to like 12k these days) then ya I would be concerned but these PW's have the same frame, brakes, axles as a ram 2500 with the Cummins rated to tow over 20,000lbs. So as long as your tongue weight isn't too crazy and sinking the rear end I think you would completely in control with that light weight fifth wheel.
@@jaydillera That's what I was thinking. I want to check and see how the airbags will effect my warranty and I need to see about getting a 5th wheel Hitch.
I dont think it will affect the warranty but its better to ask the dealership. I'm planning to putting a little lift and bigger tires and it does not affect the warranty.
This is how you have to talk to a diesel truck guy. You have to treat him like a dog who did good or a little kid who was a good boy. Cause they need constant reassurance that their diesel truck is such a good boy and they are soo cool and strong and have a big pee pee. Lol..
Air bags or stiffer springs would keep the truck level and give the truck a better feel towing, but the biggest risk is over loading the D rated off 33" road tires. Other 2500 models have E rated road tires which can handle the heavier loads. D has much lower limits. Still have and insurance and warranty issue if there is a failure even with updated suspension and higher rated tires.
I have always wanted a power wagon. I am a bit too big to be comfortable in a Wrangler or Gladiator and have too many people to transport for those to be practical if I modified the seats etc. The PW seemed like the way to go, except that trails don't always allow for full sized rigs. So , my justification for owning a PW was I could trailer my dedicated rig out with it and even recover said dedicated rig with the PW, so towing is important, but I doubt I'd max it out.
Were the digital guages on your infotainment display the offroad pages? I have a 2020 PW and that is missing. Would love to know where you accessed those. Thanks
Love your Power Wagon Alex, but I like my 2022 Rebel more for one reason...Gas Mileage! Not the best but a little better than a PW. As always informative and Great video! Bill from Linglestown Pennsylvania
@@theinternet4236 I have the 5.7 Hemi e-Torque with 3.92 gears. Gas mileage around town is usually 16.5-17.5. On a 500 mile trip, I got between 18- 19.8 mpg. About half of the driving was on the mostly flat Pennsylvania Turnpike at 65-70 mph and half in the hilly/mountainous area of PA. I have pretty conservative driving habits since the price of gas has gone through the roof. I did have a 2019 Ram Bighorn, 5.7 Hemi with 3.21 gears that would consistently get 21mpg on the same trip. The axle ratio makes a big difference in the type of mileage you will get and your driving habits.
I live in CO and I would pay cash money to see this setup going over our high mtn. passes...lol. Living out here, nothing will do except a diesel. That 6.4L is a highway princess.
the turbo is really the key at high altitudes! If I was living out there and needed to tow a diesel would be a must. But for flat grounds the 6.4 does well
@@Back_door_bandit_98 you wouldn’t believe the weight he pulls if he told you. Huge weight. Thankfully the majority of people don’t live in the Rockies and gassers do it in Appalachia fine.
Fool!! I leave in the mountains full time and my olive green PW has towed tractors, forklifts, Malibu and Bayliner boats without a problem, it’s not just a 6.4 it’s a PW
I will see if I can get the tractor and trailer over a scale for an actual weight on it
Yes sir we will!
@@GettysGarage did yall ever get the actual weight of the trailer and tractor? curious to know what the actual weight was.
Did you?
...a year later.. still waiting.. come on man.. don't leave us hangin lol
@@chrisallen8673that tractor with loader and tires filled is probably close to 11k alone. I wouldn't be surprised to see 12k.
I don't understand why people hate on the power wagon so much It's low towing capacity and payload is to maintain the off road performance.
Hey bud, really appreciate your videos. Actually going to look at a 2018 PW today. I was feeling a little apprehensive about buying one simply because of the tow rating.
I love the look of the PW and also believe the tow rating is low simply due to the softer suspension for more off road axle articulation.
Seems to be quite the capable truck and I don't pull near the max tow rating. I really apptreciate your videos on this subject.
Thanks
Ram should hire you as a consultant because you know what you are talking about, you use the truck the way most people would, and you identify potential problems and strong characteristics of the PW.
Thank you. There are people who know much much more then me but Im certainly passionate about the trucks!
Early 2000's I had a Chevy 3500 gaser with 454, 4:11 rear, auto trans. I had just purchased a new 2nd Gen Dodge 2500 with cummins, but needed to tow my new tractor from the dealer and was waiting for the gooseneck hitch for my new Dodge. Tractor was a New Holland with loader, rear tire ballast and rear wheel weights, the dealer told me it weighed around 9500 lb. I used a 24' gooseneck flatbed equipment trailer, loaded the tractor behind the 3500 dually chevy, that truck was a dog! It sucked! The Dodge 2500 was my first Dodge and first diesel truck, after getting the GN hitch in the Dodge 2500, I loaded the tractor on the same GN trailer and drove close to 100 miles to see how the Dodge 2500 handled the weight. I got home, told my wife I will never tow with that Chevy 3500 again, sold it 2 weeks later. Later traded that Dodge 2500 for a new Dodge 3500 dually 4x4 with HO 5.9, a few years ago traded it and got a 2017 Ram, Limited, HO 6.7 and aisin trans. I keep a escalade for driving, but will probably always have a cummins diesel for towing.
So tractor data data says the tractor is 4200-4500, lets go with 4500 lbs. They dont list the spec for that loader, but a lower capacity one that weighs 600 lbs, I think thats without the bucket. So lets call this bigger loader 1000 lbs. Plus another 500 for the bucket. 40 gallons of ballast per tire, if water is 350ish, if calcium its around 450 per tire.
So you are around 6900 lbs give or take, worst case probably around 7200 if we were off on the loader/bucket weight by a bit. You guys initial guess was probably fairly close.
To me it looks like that bent hitch was hit by something pretty good and not by the tractor/trailer setup.
I pulled a Takeuchi TL12 with a 40 ft gooseneck with a combined weight of 18k lbs. only mod was airbags. It pulled it just fine.
Lol! Might be a little over the weight rating. Power wagon "Hold my beer!"
power wagon don't care lol
Would love to get that setup on a scale. Nice job by the PW either way. That Cummins sounded so good...
That 3rd gen is a monster.
6.4 isn't a cummins.... its a gas hemi
Where’s the Cummins lmao
@@carguy0389 He refers to the other truck, at 8:25
Why does the power wagon haul so little?
La diferencia en el POWER WAGON es que esa potencia no es para remolque, es para subir pendientes, el propósito de la suspensión es ser imparable en el offroad no es para jalar un remolque.
Las HD 2500 son muy capaces de remolcar lo que sea pero no son las mejores en todo terreno.
Para casos extremos o de rescate entonces solo para eso se creó la POWER WAGON, ORIGINALMENTE PARA USO MILITAR Y DE GUARDA PARQUES.
POR ESO ES QUE LA SUSPENSIÓN NO ESTA CALIBRADA PARA JALAR REMOLQUES!
Great video Alex. You raise some good points regarding towing weight estimates - it can be difficult to find the correct weight numbers - in my case, For instance I had to figure out boat, motor, trailer weight and combine the numbers to ensure I’m not exceeding the vehicle tow limits. Then there is trailer lights, tires and bearings to think about lol - all of this to avoid breaking down at the side of a highway lol - thanks buddy cheers
Haha ya there are a lot of things to think about. if you we had to tow this tractor a few hundred miles we may have been in trouble. but overall happy the way the truck performed despite maybe being overweight!
Should find a scale to weigh the tractor and trailer separately. Then weigh the whole thing truck included. Just to answer your own question. And ours too. I did a crazy pull out of Georgia to Ohio. 16,500lbs total. F150, heavy trailer and tractor. Scaled myself at a CAT Scale about half way up after fueling up. 2.7 liter twin turbo. Had great trailer brakes. But was WAY TO HEAVY! Blew through fuel like crazy. Won't be doing that ever again.
I am in the process of searching for a scale in my area so far the local scrap yard seems to be the only one willing to help for a fee of course
We should of scaled it but at the same time we thought we knew the weight lol but ya she was most likely over weight. 16,000 lbs on an f150 is heavy lol
@@GettysGarage Air bags kept it level. Since I run over the road I was use to loads. About 75-100 miles I was settled into a groove and rolling. Drove through the night so traffic was very minimal. That helped a lot.
@@scottsymons6152 air bags probably really helped! along with the light traffic. but that's still wild an F150 did that without issue
Hey Alex question for you. I just bought a 2024 6.4 Hemi 2500 truck and I need to know your opinion on the MDS system. I'm getting conflicting info on whether I should be shutting it off each time I drive it OR just let it do its thing because it really doesn't cause any issues. What do you do and whats your opinion on using MDS vs shutting it off when getting into the truck.
Great Video Alex!...also gives me some assurance too when I carry things much lighter in mine
exactly! the PW will tow very nicely with anything under 10,000 lbs.
Every powerwagon i e seen has a max tow of 10.5 ton and a payload of 1,300lbs. How did you do this?
Were you towing without a wdh. I have the 2022 Ram 6.4 tradesman. Buying a new trailer thats 7800lbs dry. Would really like to tow it without a wdh. Looking at the bmw 7 inch drop with 14k rating. Appreciate your thoughts and thanks for all your videos!
GREAT VIDEO
in the video your truck did not have an rear license plate, did you lose it. or did It fall off?
Hi !
I just bought a power wagon 2020 !
Did you find more info ?
I called the Chrysler dodge and they said 17 000 lbs he can pull.
But il google and RUclips reviews they said 10500 ! 😩😩😩😩
Would a 2013 5.7 tow a 7500 pound trailer with 2 dirt bikes in the box? Dirt bikes weight about 5-600 pounds total.
Yes. 2500 would be better but a 1500 w HEMI np
The only thing i really dont like about my PW is the brakes, always felt spongy, changed the brake fluid and put powerstop pads on front and rear , did help some, less pedel pressure to stop, i have a 2016 PW same color as yours, call her big blue.. thx matt.
I love the color. I just got lucky, this truck was sitting on the dealer lot and and I grabbed it. But yes the brakes are a bit soft in compared to my 1500. but I guess I let it slide because it's also like 2500lbs heavier.
The ram power wagon is probably the only truck you can load up to 100% capacity without doing much harm to your engine and tranny
Well that’s good to know my 7,500 pounds is nothing for the PW. Am towing with the PW tomorrow for the first time.
honestly it will tow it very well! you'll know something is behind you but it will be a nice easy tow!
Were these the stock tires that came with the truck during the trip?
Can they make a power wagon HD. I get it’s purpose is for off-road but 15k towing with 2500 payload would be perfect
That’s what the rebel is for
Rebel power wagon tows 26k with the diesel. But u lose front lockers sway bar disconnect n the winch. Not worth it to me
Well if the rears had calcium in them then see if they are water filled.
my buddy remember the old owner saying something about calcium in the tires.
For all you guys screaming, "Why are you doing 63 on a country road with a heavy load!" remember this boy's Canadian and that's 63 furlongs per parsec....or 63 chains per coffee-break, or 63 hectares per day or some such thing. They're different in Canada. Bushels per acre?
The weight you figured is dry, no oil or hydraulic oil, fluid in the tires, etc. Ibwould be surprised tobsee 12k
I cringed when loading the tractor and the truck was swaying back and forth. Hopefully you had the (E-brake)/parking brake on or maybe some wheel chocks to avoid that
I got my '22 PW in February. We love it. We have a travel trailer that only weighs about 6k and it pulls like there is nothing behind it. We are considering a lightweight 5th (Dry - 8,350lbs and Maxed 11,300), how do you think the PW would fare towing that in a 5th wheel configuration, considering you may have towed 14k. Hahaha. And did you ever weigh the tractor?
So with the potentially heavier tractor you could 100% feel something heavy behind you. but at no point did it feel like the truck was underpowered or unsafe. I think the weight towing behind you isn't an issue for these drivelines. they are rated for much more weight. at 11,300lbs you would be anywhere from 800-500lbs over weight but I don't think this truck would even notice it.
if this was a ram 1500 you were talking about (because they can tow up to like 12k these days) then ya I would be concerned but these PW's have the same frame, brakes, axles as a ram 2500 with the Cummins rated to tow over 20,000lbs. So as long as your tongue weight isn't too crazy and sinking the rear end I think you would completely in control with that light weight fifth wheel.
you might want to put airbags to keep it from rear sag
@@jaydillera That's what I was thinking. I want to check and see how the airbags will effect my warranty and I need to see about getting a 5th wheel Hitch.
I dont think it will affect the warranty but its better to ask the dealership. I'm planning to putting a little lift and bigger tires and it does not affect the warranty.
air bags take care of the sag problem. I tow a 16,000 lb living quarters horse trailer with 3 horses and loaded down with no problems.
That trailer is barely 2k they are lighter than you think.
Good video!
well thank you. you might be right, the last 5 ton trailer I used had a sticker weight of 3,300 lbs but some also are around 2,500 lbs
Put a set of $300 air bags on it and tow anything. I did.
How much have you towed,,??
Your mom
This is how you have to talk to a diesel truck guy. You have to treat him like a dog who did good or a little kid who was a good boy. Cause they need constant reassurance that their diesel truck is such a good boy and they are soo cool and strong and have a big pee pee. Lol..
Just curious, can you add airbags to the rear to compensate for the softer suspension under load? Would that help stability and everything?
Air bags or stiffer springs would keep the truck level and give the truck a better feel towing, but the biggest risk is over loading the D rated off 33" road tires. Other 2500 models have E rated road tires which can handle the heavier loads. D has much lower limits. Still have and insurance and warranty issue if there is a failure even with updated suspension and higher rated tires.
@@-_-saucynocap2427 Aww, that makes sense, thanks for the info!
I have always wanted a power wagon. I am a bit too big to be comfortable in a Wrangler or Gladiator and have too many people to transport for those to be practical if I modified the seats etc. The PW seemed like the way to go, except that trails don't always allow for full sized rigs. So , my justification for owning a PW was I could trailer my dedicated rig out with it and even recover said dedicated rig with the PW, so towing is important, but I doubt I'd max it out.
Were the digital guages on your infotainment display the offroad pages? I have a 2020 PW and that is missing.
Would love to know where you accessed those. Thanks
😉awesome 😂
You should have backed it on.
well it should be fineanyway your GCWR is 22,000 to 23,000 pounds
Those duracraps dont help
Don’t the manufacturers under report the towing abilities of trucks, or is that just a common belief?
Rhino line that bed!
Ratchet straps for equipment tie down?!?? Not good.
Love your Power Wagon Alex, but I like my 2022 Rebel more for one reason...Gas Mileage! Not the best but a little better than a PW. As always informative and Great video! Bill from Linglestown Pennsylvania
@@theinternet4236 I have the 5.7 Hemi e-Torque with 3.92 gears. Gas mileage around town is usually 16.5-17.5. On a 500 mile trip, I got between 18- 19.8 mpg. About half of the driving was on the mostly flat Pennsylvania Turnpike at 65-70 mph and half in the hilly/mountainous area of PA. I have pretty conservative driving habits since the price of gas has gone through the roof. I did have a 2019 Ram Bighorn, 5.7 Hemi with 3.21 gears that would consistently get 21mpg on the same trip. The axle ratio makes a big difference in the type of mileage you will get and your driving habits.
Axle ratio does make a big difference!
Rebel is a great option 👌
Rebel...lol
@@billjamison2877 the Pennsylvania turnpike is not flat at all.
I live in CO and I would pay cash money to see this setup going over our high mtn. passes...lol. Living out here, nothing will do except a diesel. That 6.4L is a highway princess.
the turbo is really the key at high altitudes! If I was living out there and needed to tow a diesel would be a must. But for flat grounds the 6.4 does well
Yeah because mike looks like the type of guy towing something.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 you wouldn’t believe the weight he pulls if he told you. Huge weight. Thankfully the majority of people don’t live in the Rockies and gassers do it in Appalachia fine.
Fool!! I leave in the mountains full time and my olive green PW has towed tractors, forklifts, Malibu and Bayliner boats without a problem, it’s not just a 6.4 it’s a PW
@@oinn8003 Fool? you're probably a liberal too
Pretty sure powerwagons have a max towing of like 16k pounds…
U must not have done your homework because the 2024 6.4 Hemi Power wagon and pull 15,000 lbs😂😂😂😂😂
Where u seeing this number from?? Rebel PW. Are 16000 lbs