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2017 Ram HD 2500 HEMI vs Super Ike Gauntlet World's Toughest Towing Test
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- ( www.genyhitch.com ) 2017 Ram HD 2500 HEMI Work Truck vs. Super Ike Gauntlet Towing Review. World's toughest towing test.
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I enjoy these work truck videos. Not everyone wants bluetooth, sound systems, leather interior, and spending $60,000 for a truck. I bought a used 2015 Ram 3500 4x4 Tradesman with the manual window cranks. I absolutely love the simplicity of this truck.
Nice to see an honest, affordable, everyman truck tested here.
Come on TFL when will ya'll show the 2019 ram 2500 6.4 hemi 8-speed trans tow up the ike gauntlet 🙄
I'd be interested in seeing this too.
Please review the 2019 Ram 2500 6.4 with the new 8 speed transmission.
Are you planning on redoing this with a 2019 8 speed? Would love to see it!
Jamie Pearson couldn’t agree more. Been waiting for some time now lol. Maybe we’ll see the 2020 hemi do it.
Please do one with a 5.7 hemi 2500!
Would love to see a spreadsheet of sorts with all your different testing results. Its hard to remember what Truck X did a few videos back compared to current truck review. A place to get all the details at a glance.
Scott Baker We have result tables at www.tfltruck.com.
TFLnow I looked but didn't see any tables. can you provide a direct link?
Scott Baker www.tfltruck.com/2016-ike-gauntlet-highway-mpg/
Well, I usually prefer Ford, so I would like to see the 6.2 do this test. It never ceases to amaze me though how some of the people act like its a personal insult on their brand if you prefer one over the other. Buy what you like. They all have their strong and weak points. I've just grown up with Ford, so thats where I'm comfortable.
Unfortunately it broke down. Radiator fan are the radiator and alternator belt
@@Seasniffer69 It didn't just "break down" you're leaving out the part where it was repaired under warranty and returned to absolutely DEMOLISH the 6.4L Hemi up the IKE.
@@nathanmcdonald610 still broke down. what part of that didn't you get?
@@Seasniffer69 The part where you left out how bad it beat the Hemi.
@@nathanmcdonald610 stop ignoring that it broke down lol
They ragged on that 6.0 Vortec for being so old, but I think it proved that it's still relevant after this video and the Chevy Super Ike. Great, old engine.
What I was thinking also
J1I1M3 last I checked that 6.0 wasn't pulling 22k 😉
Ram Runner It was maxed out for it's configuration... It wasn't a regular cab. This isn't the first time they've done this test. They did it last year with the exact same weight and the 6.0 was as usual ragged on and was faster than the ram.
Mat A it's still not pulling anywhere near the weight dude don't make excuses! The downfall of the 6.4 hemi is the power robbing 6 speed trans that it's has. Hopefully doge puts the 8 speed in this truck because mark my words it would be a game changer. That 6.4 hemi is one bad ass engine. I have 4.56 gears in mine and it's a total animal. I have nothing against Chevys and use to live the 6.0 but it in no way can compete with this truck!
Ram Runner In no way am I making excuses, I'm simply stating facts here.. Go look at the video from last year. And BTW it's a bit hypocritical of you to say that the issue whit the 6.4l is "the power robbing 6 speed" yet you say I'm making excuses 😉 I don't have anything against Ram either but people should stop taking feelings as facts. At the end what matters is the real world result.
Please review the Ram 2020 6.4liter, 4x4 4.10 rear end with the new 8 speed transmission up the Ike... PLEASE!!!!!!
Yes!
Very interesting that the Chevy 2500 6.0 was 2+ minutes faster on the same number of gears, 50 fewer HP, and 49 fewer TQ. Either the 6.0 is really dialed in, or its power is underrated. I'd give up the 1/10th worse MPGs for that. Ram should really have its transmission dialed in more, and what's ironic is that everyone complains about the Chevy 2500 and how it's geared. Yet here we have a 6-speed auto attached to an engine with more power and torque, and after the longest IKE hike time I've ever seen on this channel, everyone rags on the transmission.
Clearly GM has their rig setup properly if they got a smaller engine with less power to flat out smoke (relatively speaking) a newer engine and platform that is technically more capable. I've honestly never seen a time gap that big. A gap of 5-45 seconds is really nothing. But a time gap of multiple minutes could be a reason someone chooses one truck or the other, especially buyers that use these things to tow or payload something from place to place on a time schedule.
was the chevy pulling 21,000 lb combined weight too?
No. Where did you read that this Ram was? Because no gas-powered Ram can tow more than 14-15k. That trailer with the Ford on it is maximum 11,900 as shown in the video, with 2500 of water in the bed. That's nowhere near 21k lbs.
777jones, both trucks had near identical combined weights. They were loaded differently because of the configurations but the total weights of each truck were comparable.
SurelyYewJest The GM 6.0L V8 is an absolute tank/ workhorse. I had the early LQ4 version and loved it, ran the hell out of it and it kept on going. They continue to use it because it continues to perform and as of now it's still comparable to anything else on the market as far as 3/4 and 1ton gas powered truck go so GM has no incentive to improve. So with it being around for 17 years now, it is dialed, and the newer transmissions and more technology they use with it also help it.
@@SurelyYewJest funny you say that because 'this Ram was towing about 16,300 pounds behind it and 2500 pounds in the bed. Significantly more than the Chevy was. Watch the video again.
3/4 ton and one ton trucks, the most expensive vehicles that still come with manual windows.
The 8 - Speed in the 1500 would really help this.
How do you get a Ford over the pass? Tow it over with a Ram
Ok so you are putting the work trucks to the test on the super Ike gauntlet which is great, but I see a problem when comparing this dodge to the chevy. You use a dodge 4x2 single cab and it's max load off the bumper, where as the chevy work truck is a 4x4 double cab and a goose neck. Don't seam much of a comparison test to me. One we know a 4x2 can most times haul and pull more then most 4x4's. then the bumper to goose neck will also be different in their restrictions. The question is if your comparing, why are the trucks different in those areas and why are they not pulling similar set ups, meaning both bumpers or both goose necks?
Mike Tacey They have to use what the manufacturers give them unfortunately. They don't always get what they ask for.
Thanks TFL,
I've been waiting to see this for two years. I used to have a 2014 RAM 1500 but ran into payload issue, so then I upgraded to the 2500 and felt the weight difference. I was wondering if the truck can even actually haul 12k pound but it looks like it can. I'm even happier than ever that I got the 6.4L as the gas-saving wouldn't pull through until I made 200k with the 6.4l.
I had one of these, a 2014 2500 4WD CC with the 6.4L. The transmission is the issue, it was designed for the power curves of the Cummins and KILLS this motor's potential. Throw a robust ZF 8 Speed behind it and I'd bet you'd have a great puller.
Figured it had to be something along those lines. The 6.4 is a strong motor but once it dropped down from 2nd gear it was done. The 1-2 gear spread is something you'd expect from a 4 speed auto. Then limiting itself to under 4500 rpm probably to keep valve temps safe (those have gotta be big valves) it showed that weakness in all its sorry glory. Hopefully the engineers at FCA take note.
Hats off to the Chevy...much less horsepower and torque...everybody complaining about the transmission and the outdated 6.0 V8. Once again the underpowered underrated Chevy is fastest up the hill towing it's max GCWR. Can't wait to see them run 6.2 Ford. Should be a good one.
Problem is the Chevy was not pulling the same weight so there can be no comparison here in terms of time. The test is void in that respect.
Chris Barr, they put the weight right in the beginning of the video for both the Ram and the Silverado. The Ram was towing 11,900 pounds (tilt trailer + Ford Truck). Silverado was towing 13,500 pounds with the gooseneck.
Chris Barr, also the Chevy weighs more than the 2WD reg cab Ram.
I just watch the Chevy video. They was pulling 9500lbs total!! The Dodge was pulling 11,900lbs on the trailer and 2,500 tote in the bed of the truck. Thats 14,400lbs. Nice try though.
Chris Barr, go back to the gooseneck video for the Chevy at 14 seconds, right in the beginning, they show the gas extended cab going on the scales… Please tell me what number you see in big white bold????
As always another great real world test. Thank you and keep up the great work.
I bought a 2017 2500 ram 4x4 just to ride around town with the 6.4 hemi. I don't care if I only carry a toothpick on the bed it's great to drive.
I know it's not how you guys do the testing, but you should really try manually shifting that transmission when towing. I've got the better part of 100,000 miles towing with one of these and the difference between allowing the computer to do it and doing it yourself is night and day.
Andrew Burke That's gives the test an extra uncontrolled variable. The idea is to keep the tests as similar as possible between all the truck's to keep it fair.
Andrew Burke only if you are an experienced driver with towing... which most people driving these trucks are not.
What's the point of grade shifting? You should know, pretty much all trucks now have only automatic transmissions.
They need to do 2 tests. One in auto tow/haul and one in manual mode. The results will be different.
I think it would be interesting to load that chev gasser the same as in this video and compare with the gooseneck to see if there is any difference towing those big duallys behind vs the standard tilt float.
+The Fast Lane Truck when are you guys gonna test the ram 2500 gas with the new 8 speed you’ve even tested the new 6.6 Chevy gas already it’s been a LONG time overdue love the channel but it’s about time you test it everyone wants to see it thanks. Give this a thumbs up so it stays up top!
that is an awesome sight a Dodge pulling a Ford I do like that new Ram too
LEGO MAN 213 BRICK DUDE op
Only time you'll see it is during these tests.
LEGO MAN 213 BRICK DUDE too bad it sucked at pulling it
jlen82 true it would have done better if it had a Cummins motor
guy proulx lol yeah your probably right
"and comin up next, we're gonna hit the hill" very polished!
The Ford 6.2 reached 60 much faster and held it the entire way up the hill. I'm very impressed with that 6.2 BOSS V-8. I wonder what the 411 H.P. version would have done??
They ran a 6.2L Raptor up the IKE in the early days. It was one of the first trucks to do the IKE test, it did very well.
What's the GCW on this compared to the Chevy tow? I'm guessing it's pretty close.
you said Andre isnt in the vids because he is so busy filming and editing, I'd say he is doing a great job!
Another great test TFL. It's quite interesting that the old 6.0l Silverado was quicker up the hill. And it was a nice touch showing you guys readjusting the weight distributing hitch. It shows the importance of stopping to make adjustments every so often. Whether it be retightening straps or adjusting the hitch, it all important to tow safely.
There's nothing like a simple work truck. Also I love Mr. Truck's Ford hood ornament!!!
Thanks, I'm having a Godzilla one made for my project truck "Dodgezilla OverKill" if I can find enough parts to get it to the track
A full three minutes SLOWER than the Sliverado 6.0
It's the tranny gearing not the engine
@@RiggyRonnie theres always an excuse. If it's not this its that
@@Kmecha84 How much weight was the 6.0 towing vs the 6.4?
Let me guess.. Youll think that's an excuse too..
I need a bigger truck, and have been strongly considering a used Ram 6.4 HEMI for towing 12-14K. This video has helped, and made me reconsider!!! Maybe i'll just stick with an F-150 Ecoboost! Also, i'm assuming this truck has the 4.10 gears?
I'm pretty sure that truck has the 3.73 gears or maybe taller. It's basically the same truck i drive for work. And let me tell you something, when you thought you were in 2nd gear maybe 3rd; you were actually in FIRST gear! It won't downshift from first Mr. Truck, at least you better hope not, lol. first and second gears are very tall on that truck, but after that (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th) are close ratio.
I hate the transmission on the gas Ram HD trucks. They really need a heavy duty 8 speed and that 6.4L would really do work. The gearing on this transmission is terrible.
Jerame Phillips is it the same transmission that is with the 5.7
Yup same transmission on gas HD RAM 6.4L and 5.7L. 5.7 Ram 1500 6 speed is just a lighter variant which is why the 8 speed was such a large improvement for RAM. It was essentially going from a 5 speed to 8.
Jerame Phillips ok just wondering because I'm looking ether 5.7 ram 2500 or 6.0 gmc 2500
Yea I mean they are both excellent trucks just realize that the extra power available in the Ram HD gas engines is lost due to unfortunate trans gear spacing. This isn't to say that the truck as a whole is inferior, just that it would be better complimented with a better geared 6 speed or hopefully more gears in the near future. Both GM and RAM are very comparable I would get whichever based on things that you want in a truck. I personally get 4x4 trucks and feel that HD trucks should come with solid front axles this makes me lean Ford or Ram for HD. Just my two cents. Good luck on your shopping.
Jerame Phillips thank you
Yeh can't really hold it accountable for not wanting to rip it up the Ike with all that weight but for normal work use I think it has the winning hand but 37 thou for 2wd and not loaded ouch 30 32 sounds a bit better
Priced in the low 30's? $36,xxxx with tax is a $40,000 truck. Plus factor in interest on the financing and any other crap the dealer tacks on "rust proof, vin etched glass, bed cover, etc". My 2013 Ram 1500 Hemi was rated to tow 9,200 lbs with the 3.55 gears and 6-speed. I towed the shit out of that truck pulling a 30 ft boat (6600 dry weight, plus fuel and gear on a double axle trailer) in the mountains in Utah. I would run most steep hills in 2nd gear or 1st gear if I had to lose speed behind semi trucks on the highway. Kept my eye on the trans temp gauge. It got decent mileage doing it too. Better than 2.3 mpg. I wanted 4.56 gears though to help get weight moving on hills. I also had helper bags in the rear as these coil springs suck for towing in my opinion. Nice ride but not heavy duty like leafs.
Scott Long never go by msrp on a new truck most trucks can be had for 20% off...
Great video I'd like to see a "towing" and "not towing" MPG loop.
$36,000 for a standard cab 2 wheel drive are you kidding me
nathan koroush Standard cab 2wd Silverado is right around 30,000 so I'll take a heavy duty for 36,000
nathan koroush
msrp's on trucks are highly inflated. the actual sales price is always considerably less; quite often in the 10-20% off range sometimes more.
Are you kidding us? C'mon now. It's not the 80's. There's such a thing as inflation. Also, skip those bumpers and what have you, and you have a price of 32.5k. Now go to your Ram dealer and find one in the lot and tell him you'll pay 28k cash. Congrats, you have yourself a Ram 2500 for about 29-30k. Now find a 2016 model and you can probably get it for 26-28 grand.
for a new super duty that's a pretty good starting price, and you could get it cheaper than that considering all the discounts on trucks. so you could probably get everything here for about $32k, that's not bad.
Great video! keep up the good work! Thanks from Australia!
Thanks for getting/testing the lower trim trucks.
I want to see how a 5.7 hemi ram 2500 does in comparison to the 6.4 hemi.
Steven Vanheel they need to get a ram 3500 with the 5.7 hemi. It has leaf springs instead of coil springs in the rear.
I bet the 5.7L would honestly out perform the 6.4L, The 6.4L is very poorly tuned for work, which is ironic considering its the ''Heavy Duty Work'' option.
I have this truck in 5.7 and I love it.
my dad's got a 16 3500 SRW CCLB. just towed a car hauler that weighed about 8500 pounds total. the motor I thought was fine, but I hated the trans. with 4.10 gears you'd think it would pick a damn gear and stay in it, nope not at all.
Thanks for that test . Answer a lot of questions for me. Great job guys ...
I'd love to see you test a RAM 2500 Crew Cab Diesel with NO Airbags. Three and a half inches is a lot of squat in the back of the truck.
You guys should test the 5.7 hemi along side the 6.4 hemi up the Ike gauntlet that would be a good mash up along with the 6.2 ford and the 6.0 Chevy. I know everyone likes seeing the biggest gas engines but I'm very interested in knowing how the 5.7 heavy duty would do.
I'd like to see the Nissan Titan XD S base model in the gas version. That truck prices out to just over 28,000 on cars direct, so its CHEAP !
Matt Howard it's a piece of crap like everything else Nissan makes.
You can determine that the new Titan is a failure in just one model year huh?
Seems legit.
You can't call something a failure because a new generation has issues you dimwitted turd.
If we go by your logic then the 2014 /Silverados and Sierras were spontaneously combusting due to GMs poor wiring. The real fail from Nissan was their bait and switch tactic by claiming this generation's pricing was going to be on par with the previous gen but we all know they blatantly lied about it.
Whining about the Titan XD simply shows how big of an idiot you really are and proves my point that pickup truck fanboys are a special breed of stupid. Allow me to point out s couple of things and although will partially line up with your rhetoric it doesn't prove anything you say. And for the record I have driven and owned almost al truck brands and configurations from half ton to 1 ton.
Titan XD is NOT a 3/4 ton truck, everyone and their mom has said it and comparing it to one is stupid. Consumer ignorance along with Nissan's low blow on early adopters have been factors on poor sales. If you want any real complaints about the truck is the lack of standard equipment ESPECIALLY on higher trims (No sunroof/moonroof on Platinum Reserve trims, really??) and inconsistency on payload capacity between the diesel and gas models.
The XD is not (and probably never will) something that will transcend the Heavy Duty crowd but it's a truck that will tow loads over 9,000 pounds with confidence due to it's heavy duty frame. Remember just because half-ton trucks say you can tow 12,000 pounds doesn't mean you should on a daily basis..
@Alamo. true, the XD is 1/2T truck that can be pushed on occasion beyond "normal" without breaking down. the Cummins with Aisin is a strong offering. but its own limits are its downfall. such as a fuel hungry engine and a small fuel tank, resulting in very short range. the diesel version is too pricey, and has no exhaust brake. the truck is advertised to be more useful than others, but its limits make it less so. the only real pro is the zero gravity seats. imho, it is simply an over-hyped, over-priced 1/2T truck. no wonder its sales are very low. Nissan's management should be fired for wasting the company over this truck.
can you run this test with the tundra and tacoma?
Where is the same test with the 6.2 Ford?
We very much need to see this with an 8 speed 2500.
Why does the 6.4 HEMI only have 15 more hp than the 5.7?
Cause torque is the name of the game
@@919hey well it's only 19 more tourque.
I liked that you were showing drivetrain temperatures on the downhill portion of the test. Would it be possible to give oil, transmission, and coolant temperatures (for the vehicles that display it) on the up hill portion? I think those readings would be valuable data points. Some vehicles (like the Ram) are obviously overheating.
Finally a video that interests me
I have this truck in a 5.7 and it’s a fantastic truck
Good video! It would help if you guys did a WT diesel shout-out.
What octane level was used. I know they claim 87 octane works. But for max performance it needs 89 octane.
Out of all the gas 3/4 trucks which one do you guys prefer and would buy?
great video, its the same truck i own, well i have a few goodies like power windows, pto, but i guess they could up the torque a bit
I know this video is a few years old now.....but I'm wanting to find out at what point are you stressing the truck too much with a large load/tow. If the tow capacity is say 9000lbs, would it easily tow up to that limit or at 7500-8000 is it it starting to stress the truck a lot? I'm looking to get a truck that may need to tow upwards of 10,000lbs and just don't know if an F-150 or Ram 1500 will be enough, or should I just get an F-250 or 2500 that can tow 13-14k, etc?
Could guys pull oil temp up and trans temp as well as coolant temp. Would be cool to see what they are doing
The Ford 6.2 destroyed the Ram...and it did it with a 3.73 rear end.
Why dont y'all show what you are doing with the sway control? How is it effective and how is it controling the sway?
as expensive as it might be... i think it would make a great video to test the base model of the ram, f150, and silverado, and compare it to the maxed out editions (or the HD models)
How much were you pulling? I missed that part if you mentioned those numbers. I have the same truck motor with the 4.10 rear end, crew cab towing a fifthe wheel camper weighting about 12,000 pounds fully loaded and my truck screams up any incline. Thinking of going to a diesel
Great video! I would like to see more like these.
I want the Ram so much, but the swaying plus issues getting up to speed compared to the f250 might be the death of the ram 2500 for me..
Could you guys test the same configuration but with the 6.7L Cummins instead? Also, could you do the fuel economy run with it empty?
You guys are great! My go to for truck info. Keep it up! 😁😁😁😁😁😁
+lance ripplinger Thanks!
Did I miss it? But there was no final score! So ok I'll give it an overall score if 61! After all at 20,000 CGVW up the Ike in just over 13 min. is not all that bad! For a truck that's at a local dealer for just under 30k!! A landscaper or excavation company would find a truck like this very useful!
Anyone else think they need to standardize the test to make it relevant? Exact same load for each truck in its class.
+TheMEXICANBEEF We do a standard test for all classes of trucks in the winter. It's a regular Ike Gauntlet for the Gold Hitch testing. These (max load) runs are for individual Super Ike.
Is it really necessary to add all that truck bed weight to tow that trailer?
What is the front suspension like on a 2wd ram 2500? I know the 4x4 is a straight axle so is the 2wd just a non-driven straight axle or is it IFS?
Now I’m wondering how a Ram exactly like thi0?s one, but with a regular output diesel would do?
I'm curious how my 12 valve Cummins would do on this test. But of course, it's not stock at 700RWTQ.
when you do these tests are you in Drive or using the manual shift feature to adjust the gears as needed?
My 98 Silverado pulls just fine. I think I'll stick with the reliable v8 6.5 diesel.
Haha hope the sway stops... this is why I don’t understand why anyone uses bumper pulls. With a gooseneck you will never have that issue.
I have a 2017 2500 4x4 Laramie with a 6.4 liter. I pull a 12,000 lb fifth wheel. Going up hill it runs in 2nd gear most of the time. Flat to the floor. What can I do differant to get it to do better? That is the only thing that I am disgusted with. Tow rating is 14,000. I have friends that pass me going up hill.
I know this is old, but what gear ratio do you have and what rpm are you running in 2nd gear up the hills?
Would TFL test a 5.7L Hemi 2500? Standard cab, pulling the horse trailer?
They had a 200,000 mile test on this engine and reduced the output to get it there. These motors should go 200,000 miles regularly. We will see as they age.
Hey can we see a 5.7 hemi 2500 pulling the Ike gauntlet??
I am considering purchasing this truck but I am still not convinced its the truck for me.
"i'd rather have some big, metal thing hanging off the front that looks like it could hurt people, but that's just me"
Zappy595 I usually like body painted parts but the chrome really dresses up this work truck, better then just a black front end.
I have a technical question. I noticed while you were pulling onto the scales that this truck has the radius arms on the front. Is it a 4 wheel drive truck? I haven't heard that mentioned in any of the other videos, and it doesn't look tall enough to be a 4WD. Is it that this truck has a solid front axle but not 4WD?
Yes, That is correct
Did this have the 4.10 gears??
I love both ford and dodge and next I want to see a ford pulling a dodge and a Chevrolet
Towing a Ford. Priceless!
The Chevy 6.0L did better with a smaller motor and less horse power and torque plus bigger truck and did i mention 4 wheel drive train than this 6.4 HEMI Dodge . THUMBS DOWN on Dodge.
Just curious what gears were in the rear of this truck?
Now we need to see the Ford 6.2 in the F-250 fully loaded
big part of the problem is how you tied the Ford down, should be tied down for the axles NOT the body!!
Doesn't that giant piece of metal on front of trailer cause drag even worse than just a truck or and other object on the trailer.
I own one I have started customizing mine and it's definitely a great truck so if you can get one
+The Fast Lane Truck do a 2017 RAM 2500 Tradesman 4X4 with the 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel
Hi, I have a 2019 2500 dodge ram 4×2 runs by gas, would it be good for me to do hot shots??
Simple answer no.
Engine specs would indicate similar or maybe even better towing vs the GM but again, Ram's poor transmission held back the towing performance...
What is Mr. Truck's obsession with wearing vests? He's definitely not going to get any awards for best dressed.
They should try the cummins 5.9 and ford 7.3
Wish they would do 03. 5.9 Cummins
I like these tests but I don't think maximum payload is ideal I think that maybe half and half of each is more of a daily workload someone loading up tool boxes and hauling small equipment just maxing it out is all good but not realistic I don't think every contractor is really interested in loading it down to almost breaking... I understand your guys standard tests but maybe some variety in tests that don't apply to gold hitch award persay would get way more views than a basic review and more interest and practicality than max payload
What year is the ford