Sonny, the most talented and the most hated champion in the history of boxing. It is a great feeling to see him again. He was a real champion in a real time. Unforgettable for the rest of our time.
Not to be rude wasn't that talented at all. He just hit hard. Watch him just following around in a circle. He didn't even know boxing 101 In how to cut off the ring or close distance. Besides Ali who did ever really fight? Paterson was a middle weight with a glass jaw who moved up to heavyweight and was protected.
@Dylon Mc Liston wasn’t the most talented as this guy saying But he was very talented He had god giving talent with his long reach and enormous first He have the biggest fist in boxing history So that’s he physique He also have the best left jab in boxing history Maybe the best jab ever It fast strong have so much power in it and break your guard Now if that wasn’t enough Liston know how to take advantage of his long reach He fire his jab having his left foot ahead of his right one give his side to his opponents and extent his shoulder so he again extra reach by doing that His defense and offense was very good combined with his physique attributes and physical strength and extremely good jab + using both of his hands just as good Made Liston one of the most talented and gifted boxer ever
@@dylonmc4323 Liston was extremely talented. You don't have a clue. MOST fighters don't cut off a ring. Liston was a boxing conservative not a pressure fighter.He was old here as well. He boxed people's heads off with his stiff jab, and then set them up with hooks and uppercuts KO'd into oblivion. Paterson was a unified champion who beat the man who beat the man. He was protected but chose to fight the avoided Liston. If you're asking who did Ali, the man with the most top contender wins in boxing history fought you don't know boxing. Patterson, Norton, Frazier, Foreman, Lyle, Williams, Liston, Folley, Cooper, Terell, Bonavena,.
Sonny preferred to lead with his left foot always so his right was always in position for a powerful blow. Even if that means letting his man escape a corner. Sonny was of the joe Louis ilk meaning he believed you could run but not hide. Most boxers cant box as well on the backfoot so not like he needs change what works for what he should do from a technical standpoint. Example, how many rounds did bill win here? None.
Bill was the first of my dads (Fred Preacher Lewis) friends in Sacramento, CA to pick me up and put me on a chair so I could hit the speed bag. Lol. He was my fathers sparring partner even though my dad was a light heavyweight. Big Bill McMurray was a gentle giant.
He could hit really really hard and had reach but watch he he just follows. He couldn't cut off a ring or close distance and he really didn't fight anyone besides Ali.
@@dylonmc4323He's old af here. You're spamming the same comment every time anyone says anything positive about Liston. Watch his earlier fights instead of talking shit.
Only one man came to fight and it was the man who won. McMurray was a sparring partner for George Foreman in "the rumble in the jungle" and this fight shows why. It was his stray elbow that caused the cut that postponed the fight for a month. He simply wasn't in Sonny's class.
I doubt it because most people really just ran from Sonny. Ali could run and still hit. Frazier would have been throwing hard all the way and making it not look so easy for Sonny. Frazier was also good at making fighters mis and other and he could also take some damage aswell.
Liston did a pretty terrible job of cutting off the ring. I realize he was getting old at this point, but McMurray avoided many of Sonny's shots and was doing fairly well until he got caught.
Sonny’s heavy drinking started around 1961 and got worse in ‘65. He got in better shape but he wasn’t the same compared to 58-60 years where he was leaner and more of a boxer with power.
@@davanmani556 He got taken distance by Eddie machen, among others tho. Boxers with speed , savvy and skill could beat the big hitters, as with Tunney v Dempsey, Ali v Liston, Ali v Foreman, Jimmy Young v Foreman, and Douglas v Tyson ....
Liston is old as Hell in this fight. His knees look bad and he's had multiple injuries. He was in his peak around 1958 and this is 1968 10yrs later. Even George Foreman stopped cutting off the ring when he got much older after his knees went and reflexes left him.
Liston was a very short lived transitional champion. I say transitional because he was a great fighter of the 1950s that had trouble in the 1960s as heavyweights got bigger and faster! Liston was very talented! But he was only 6’1 and fought between 199-226 with 212 being his prime weight! In the Marciano era Liston was an amazing force, over 200 pound heavyweights where unheard of. By 1964 when Clay and Terrell showed up at 6’3 and 6’6 we saw a much different breed of heavyweights! Even Foreman turned pro in 1968. Sonny best years where when he fought as the big man! He would struggle against any top modern heavyweight! Remember the man was born in 1930 as it now seems. He was a genetic freak for 1950s and early 1960s. Another myth about Liston was his reach, I have studied Liston for years, style, body size. Liston’s real reach was 80 1/2 inches! No where near the 84 inches as claimed! Ali actually had a longer reach then Liston as you can see in their fight in Miami Beach in 1964! Ali’s reach was 78 or 79 inches! However, Liston had very broad shoulders and huge hands, and long fingers all are what we call waisted reach in boxing! Your real boxing reach is from the the armpit to the end of the knuckles on the glove! Not wingtip to wingtip as they use to measure! If my fingers are 8 inches long that does me know good in a boxing match.
You studied what?! Another Liston put down merchant who knows as much about boxing as my arse knows about snipe shooting. Ali would have had his hands full with the prime Sonny, and why mention Terrell? Ernie the Octopus couldn't have beaten the Liston of 1970. You are incorrect in both of your guesses at the reaches of Ali and Liston and your spelling and grammar are appalling.
Cleveland Williams was a big guy. And going back further in time, Max Baer was big, and his brother Buddy Baer was huge. Big heavyweights have been around since the beginning. Going back to Liston: Ali was no bigger than Williams. But he was fast and very elusive, two attributes that befuddled Liston. I don't think it was Ali's size that troubled Liston. Liston beat guys bigger than Ali. Chuck Wepner was 6'5". And outside of Ali, how many guys really troubled Liston? Not many. Moreover, the second Ali/Liston fight was a bit suspicious in nature, so that result perhaps may not be legit.
Man common! Rocky Marciano alone destroyed 5 guys well over 200 lbs. The biggest being 6' 5 250 lbs Jesse Willard who knocked out jack Johnson was 6'7. Buddy Baer was 6'5 235 lbs. Primo Canero was 6'7 250 lbs and could actually box. He went on to be wrestling champion with 300 victories and only one loss. Ther has always been big heavyweights it's just that in the 50s you had some really fast, good, smaller boxers who could outfight them.
@@paulweir5031 watch the fight above. Sonny just follows him around like the Ali fight. He didn't understand boxing 101 of how to cut off the ring or close distance. Besides Ali who did he really fight?
Me too! Ali is the greatest Heavyweight ever ,I got Liston #2! Best jab I seen ,could hurt u,ko u with either hand! Ali hand and foot speed was just to much 4 Liston
Billy Joiner is an interesting guy. According to a Ring magazine article/interview Joiner approached pro boxing as a part-time affair.If he had taken it seriously he may have done better in the sport.
McMurray had a good strategy of staying on the outside. The problem was, he threw too many punches so he never hurt Liston at all. Ali stayed outside but threw the jab and then attacked. McMurray was basically just dancing around the ring and when it came time, he got knocked out.
Very small ring forced the ref to keep moving & was a big advantage for Liston. Announcer foolishly pretended both of Liston's fights with Ali were not fixed.
The first one wasnt rigged, did You see listons face from the lethal Ali combinations?? The second fight liston soon realised it would be the same again, then Ali caught him on the temple and dazed liston so he laid down and took the money.
When You watch other fighters trying the Ali style against liston, you fully realise just how special Ali was. Not just ducking and dancing , but lightning quick combinations, and all round graceful movement. Ali the Greatest a total one off, nobody else could have beaten liston imho
Sonny was approximately 42 in my opinion, and that of others, thus entitled to have slowed. From your posting I can say that you have a poor grasp of English spelling and punctuation.
Liston’s reach was pure Bs of the day! His reach was billed at 84 inches! It was later measured by Las Vegas Athletic commission at 80 1/2. Plus Ali actually had a longer boxing reach at 78 or 79 inches in the ring. Back then they measured reach from wingtip to wingtip! Liston had very broad shoulders, huge hands and long fingers, useless in boxing where it’s only from the arm pit to the end of the Knuckles on the glove. Liston had a shorter reach the. Ali in the ring and that surprised the hell out of him.
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Sonny, the most talented and the most hated champion in the history of boxing. It is a great feeling to see him again. He was a real champion in a real time. Unforgettable for the rest of our time.
Not to be rude wasn't that talented at all. He just hit hard.
Watch him just following around in a circle.
He didn't even know boxing 101 In how to cut off the ring or close distance.
Besides Ali who did ever really fight? Paterson was a middle weight with a glass jaw who moved up to heavyweight and was protected.
@Dylon Mc
Liston wasn’t the most talented as this guy saying
But he was very talented
He had god giving talent with his long reach and enormous first
He have the biggest fist in boxing history
So that’s he physique
He also have the best left jab in boxing history
Maybe the best jab ever
It fast strong have so much power in it and break your guard
Now if that wasn’t enough Liston know how to take advantage of his long reach
He fire his jab having his left foot ahead of his right one give his side to his opponents and extent his shoulder so he again extra reach by doing that
His defense and offense was very good combined with his physique attributes and physical strength and extremely good jab + using both of his hands just as good
Made Liston one of the most talented and gifted boxer ever
@@dylonmc4323 Liston was extremely talented. You don't have a clue. MOST fighters don't cut off a ring. Liston was a boxing conservative not a pressure fighter.He was old here as well. He boxed people's heads off with his stiff jab, and then set them up with hooks and uppercuts KO'd into oblivion. Paterson was a unified champion who beat the man who beat the man. He was protected but chose to fight the avoided Liston. If you're asking who did Ali, the man with the most top contender wins in boxing history fought you don't know boxing. Patterson, Norton, Frazier, Foreman, Lyle, Williams, Liston, Folley, Cooper, Terell, Bonavena,.
Sonny was an awesome fighter.probs 10 years older than everyone realized but still hard as nails.rip sonny a real fighter.🥊🥊
For all his experience, Liston does not cut off the ring at all, he just follows.
Yeah I’ve seen this comment before, maybe this was a possible area they could have worked on for Sonny Liston.
It's because he wasn't a good boxer. His hard punch is all he had. He never even fought anyone really excpet Ali.
His opponent was very decent of escaping the corner or any tough spot by moving fast to the opposite side
Sonny preferred to lead with his left foot always so his right was always in position for a powerful blow. Even if that means letting his man escape a corner. Sonny was of the joe Louis ilk meaning he believed you could run but not hide. Most boxers cant box as well on the backfoot so not like he needs change what works for what he should do from a technical standpoint. Example, how many rounds did bill win here? None.
@@dylonmc4323dude, you do NOT know what you are talking about. Liston had some tough opposition.
Wonder how good Liston could have been had he started boxing in his teens an early 20’s!
Bill was the first of my dads (Fred Preacher Lewis) friends in Sacramento, CA to pick me up and put me on a chair so I could hit the speed bag. Lol. He was my fathers sparring partner even though my dad was a light heavyweight. Big Bill McMurray was a gentle giant.
My God Sonny Liston was so powerful he would destroy these heavyweights of today
Bonecrushing punching power & invincible 1950/ very early 1960s sonny liston
He could hit really really hard and had reach but watch he he just follows. He couldn't cut off a ring or close distance and he really didn't fight anyone besides Ali.
@@dylonmc4323 Cleveland Williams
@@dylonmc4323He's old af here. You're spamming the same comment every time anyone says anything positive about Liston. Watch his earlier fights instead of talking shit.
Only one man came to fight and it was the man who won. McMurray was a sparring partner for George Foreman in "the rumble in the jungle" and this fight shows why. It was his stray elbow that caused the cut that postponed the fight for a month. He simply wasn't in Sonny's class.
He would have beaten Joe Frazier in ‘68.
I doubt it because most people really just ran from Sonny. Ali could run and still hit. Frazier would have been throwing hard all the way and making it not look so easy for Sonny. Frazier was also good at making fighters mis and other and he could also take some damage aswell.
Liston did a pretty terrible job of cutting off the ring. I realize he was getting old at this point, but McMurray avoided many of Sonny's shots and was doing fairly well until he got caught.
Sunny may have carried him for a few rounds
Sonny’s heavy drinking started around 1961 and got worse in ‘65. He got in better shape but he wasn’t the same compared to 58-60 years where he was leaner and more of a boxer with power.
@@davanmani556 He got taken distance by Eddie machen, among others tho. Boxers with speed , savvy and skill could beat the big hitters, as with Tunney v Dempsey, Ali v Liston, Ali v Foreman, Jimmy Young v Foreman, and Douglas v Tyson ....
I am learning to appreciate Sonny.
All of us boxing fans are! Awesome fighter! The only Heavyweight in their prime who could beat him in his prime,The GOAT who defeated him twice!
sonny Liston Had personal problems but he was a great fighter and Bing themes played him in the movie Phantom Punch
❤watching sonny liston bonecrushing punching power 1950s _/ very early 1960s
Liston is old as Hell in this fight. His knees look bad and he's had multiple injuries. He was in his peak around 1958 and this is 1968 10yrs later.
Even George Foreman stopped cutting off the ring when he got much older after his knees went and reflexes left him.
Thanks for the video, RSMORODINOV
McMurray was a great dancer, not a fighter
Liston was a very short lived transitional champion. I say transitional because he was a great fighter of the 1950s that had trouble in the 1960s as heavyweights got bigger and faster! Liston was very talented! But he was only 6’1 and fought between 199-226 with 212 being his prime weight! In the Marciano era Liston was an amazing force, over 200 pound heavyweights where unheard of. By 1964 when Clay and Terrell showed up at 6’3 and 6’6 we saw a much different breed of heavyweights! Even Foreman turned pro in 1968. Sonny best years where when he fought as the big man! He would struggle against any top modern heavyweight! Remember the man was born in 1930 as it now seems. He was a genetic freak for 1950s and early 1960s. Another myth about Liston was his reach, I have studied Liston for years, style, body size. Liston’s real reach was 80 1/2 inches! No where near the 84 inches as claimed! Ali actually had a longer reach then Liston as you can see in their fight in Miami Beach in 1964! Ali’s reach was 78 or 79 inches! However, Liston had very broad shoulders and huge hands, and long fingers all are what we call waisted reach in boxing! Your real boxing reach is from the the armpit to the end of the knuckles on the glove! Not wingtip to wingtip as they use to measure! If my fingers are 8 inches long that does me know good in a boxing match.
You studied what?! Another Liston put down merchant who knows as much about boxing as my arse knows about snipe shooting.
Ali would have had his hands full with the prime Sonny, and why mention Terrell? Ernie the Octopus couldn't have beaten the Liston of 1970.
You are incorrect in both of your guesses at the reaches of Ali and Liston and your spelling and grammar are appalling.
Cleveland Williams was a big guy. And going back further in time, Max Baer was big, and his brother Buddy Baer was huge. Big heavyweights have been around since the beginning.
Going back to Liston: Ali was no bigger than Williams. But he was fast and very elusive, two attributes that befuddled Liston. I don't think it was Ali's size that troubled Liston. Liston beat guys bigger than Ali. Chuck Wepner was 6'5". And outside of Ali, how many guys really troubled Liston? Not many.
Moreover, the second Ali/Liston fight was a bit suspicious in nature, so that result perhaps may not be legit.
Man common! Rocky Marciano alone destroyed 5 guys well over 200 lbs. The biggest being 6' 5 250 lbs
Jesse Willard who knocked out jack Johnson was 6'7. Buddy Baer was 6'5 235 lbs. Primo Canero was 6'7 250 lbs and could actually box. He went on to be wrestling champion with 300 victories and only one loss.
Ther has always been big heavyweights it's just that in the 50s you had some really fast, good, smaller boxers who could outfight them.
@@paulweir5031 watch the fight above. Sonny just follows him around like the Ali fight. He didn't understand boxing 101 of how to cut off the ring or close distance.
Besides Ali who did he really fight?
@@dylonmc4323 Machen, Folley, Williams, Valdes, Bethea, Patterson, DeJohn, Zech, Lincoln, Clark.
Me too! Ali is the greatest Heavyweight ever ,I got Liston #2! Best jab I seen ,could hurt u,ko u with either hand! Ali hand and foot speed was just to much 4 Liston
POS Cus D'amato wouldn't give Liston a Title Shot until 1962..... And that was because Patterson insisted!!
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Billy Joiner is an interesting guy. According to a Ring magazine article/interview Joiner approached pro boxing as a part-time affair.If he had taken it seriously he may have done better in the sport.
McMurray had a good strategy of staying on the outside. The problem was, he threw too many punches so he never hurt Liston at all. Ali stayed outside but threw the jab and then attacked. McMurray was basically just dancing around the ring and when it came time, he got knocked out.
And dont forget Alis lightning combinations against liston too ☺☺
He only trained two weeks unfortunately
Very small ring forced the ref to keep moving & was a big advantage for Liston.
Announcer foolishly pretended both of Liston's fights with Ali were not fixed.
Dee Davao They weren't fixed Ali whooped him
@@hassanislam7227
Bullshit.
The first one wasnt rigged, did You see listons face from the lethal Ali combinations?? The second fight liston soon realised it would be the same again, then Ali caught him on the temple and dazed liston so he laid down and took the money.
❤ for Cassius clay & younger sonny liston would fought 1960/ 1962 ,; different outcome & result he would 30 years old & younger
@@kevinmunday5782
Fix. Both fixes.
Check out Chad Dawson's two entries and have a laugh at someone who knows sweet fa about boxing or writing.
When You watch other fighters trying the Ali style against liston, you fully realise just how special Ali was. Not just ducking and dancing , but lightning quick combinations, and all round graceful movement. Ali the Greatest a total one off, nobody else could have beaten liston imho
He was a draft-dodging racist.
Looks very rigged, down to the round number
i meant Ving Rhames
Bing Themes, Ving Rhames , not much difference. I can see why you got confused.
Ring Thames. Thing Rames.
liston looks slow as hell and carnt cut off the ring
Sonny was approximately 42 in my opinion, and that of others, thus entitled to have slowed.
From your posting I can say that you have a poor grasp of English spelling and punctuation.
@@paulweir5031 yeah your a real wordsmith
twat
If Sonny lived and did get the title fight say 69 Fraiser is too young and super strong and no fear, I feel Joe would catch Sonny by round 7 8 ?
Liston’s reach was pure Bs of the day! His reach was billed at 84 inches! It was later measured by Las Vegas Athletic commission at 80 1/2. Plus Ali actually had a longer boxing reach at 78 or 79 inches in the ring. Back then they measured reach from wingtip to wingtip! Liston had very broad shoulders, huge hands and long fingers, useless in boxing where it’s only from the arm pit to the end of the Knuckles on the glove. Liston had a shorter reach the. Ali in the ring and that surprised the hell out of him.
you sure about