5 Possible Sequels to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024

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  • @madnessarcade7447
    @madnessarcade7447 7 месяцев назад +19

    Sakurai said in a video why smash is 2d because of how the characters are designed they would look weird in 3d

  • @galacticspecter4364
    @galacticspecter4364 7 месяцев назад +22

    I’m expecting reboot that redesigns all the classic characters, can’t have Mario playing the same in 2024 as he did in 1999

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  7 месяцев назад +4

      this would please me greatly. A lot of veteran movesets are kinda a bummer right now!

  • @matlotl
    @matlotl 7 месяцев назад +22

    I can't see the next Smash being anything but a rebooted sequel. Cut down on the roster massively, revamp a ton of veteran characters so they are much more in line with the modern versions of themselves in terms of movesets, and dial in the focus back towards some decent modes again. All the other options you listed are very extreme and simply couldn't happen due to the scope being SO big in one way or another (thus requiring a ton of development time/effort/money/etc.), or a lame Ultimate port with more stuff which I feel like even Sakurai and Nintendo knows is not something they really want to seek given the costs of having to re-license the tons of IP.
    Cutting back fairly drastically whilst reinventing characters that have gone basically unchanged for up to some 20 odd years is the best bet, I feel. It just makes the most sense from pretty much all angles.

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  7 месяцев назад +1

      alright, but give me the NAME! How do we make it sound cool without being the ULTIMATE?

    • @matlotl
      @matlotl 7 месяцев назад

      Given the series' track record we could get a cool synonym for "fight" as a subtitle or "super smash bros for switch 2" lol

  • @Neoxon619
    @Neoxon619 7 месяцев назад +12

    What I’m expecting is a soft reboot, something that refreshes some older characters without hitting the reset button completely. On that note, I don’t see the roster going below 50 characters at launch. Around 50-65 (counting ~10 newbies) sounds about right for Day 1. Essentially, it would treat Ultimate as a one-time fluke but still be an increase over 3DS/Wii U’s roster. Likewise, not having to bring every single character back Day 1 gives them more time to focus on the rest of the overall package.
    As for UltimateR/Ultimate Deluxe, I think it’s really unlikely for three big reasons…
    - It’ll be tough to sell the average person on a port of a game they can already play on their Switch 2 via backwards compatibility, especially when the game in question sold like hotcakes. It’s not like MK8 where the Wii U bombed & the Switch 1 wasn’t backwards compatible.
    - Including the DLC characters, especially the third-party ones, would necessitate a new revenue split for everyone involved. Maybe SNK would go along with it regardless, but good luck getting a company like Disney to agree to less money.
    - Sakurai went on record on his RUclips channel saying that he aims to make each Smash game that works on distinct, which is specifically why he did Brawl instead of Melee Online for Wii. An enhanced port of Ultimate goes directly against that ideology.

    • @MegaAccf
      @MegaAccf 10 дней назад

      To argue against your points:
      1) I'm willing to buy a Switch 2 console like I did with Switch. I brought it for the sake of everyone's here and Ill gladly do it again. And even help friends for it too.
      2) Disney is NOT the issue why do you keep thinking Disney is the problem its literally just design is the issue. But now that's its SOLVED it shouldn't be an issue to relicense that design again. Especially if they did it once BEFORE
      3) He did Brawl because Nintendo were gonna do an Melee port for Wii if Sakurai didn't work for the sequel.

  • @MarkoTribe
    @MarkoTribe 7 месяцев назад +5

    I had so much fun with Ultimate that I would be so down for an Ultimate Deluxe or Fighter Pass 3. Its waaayyy too soon to say goodbye to all the cool characters we got in Ultimate.

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  7 месяцев назад +4

      I wouldn't be mad, but I would hope they could also improve online play and maybe give us a reason to play online beyond just doing Elite Smash matches. More themed events and cosmetic rewards would be really cool! Maybe take a page out of other fighting games or even look at splatoon!

    • @Alex254561
      @Alex254561 2 месяца назад

      Remake a lot of old character moves, much better online, a real story mod with a mix of brawl cutscenes and 3ds adventure mod gameplay, much better target mod like in brawl + a lot of good other mods

  • @willlovendahl2309
    @willlovendahl2309 2 месяца назад +1

    Generations sounds like a super excited way to go! It’s funny, because so many people have complaints about how there’s Breath of the Wild Link, Young Link, Toon Link… and instead of denying that, I think leaning into that for every character actually sounds pretty amazing

  • @jercoxthealmighty
    @jercoxthealmighty 7 месяцев назад +2

    Honestly, I think your "Revolution" idea sounds the most reasonable to me. It seems like a good way to make everything old new again. It can benefit from brand recognition while still being something fresh and new. I gotta assume Sakurai must be at least a little tired of working on Smash as it was, and if he really does consider "Ultimate" as the culmination of the series up to that point, a new direction means he can work on the thing again without being 100% bogged down by everything that came before it. He can trim the roster as needed AND tweak the returning characters however proves necessary, cuz he's basically starting from scratch! Or, if Sakurai doesn't wind up directing the game, whoever replaces him doesn't have to have aforementioned bogged down-ness to the same degree as he would if they were just making... UltimateR. Also, I find it worth noting that, even if Smash itself isn't the foremost example of this, Nintendo in general does like to tweak and innovate their big name franchises to keep them fresh, particularly if there is any sign of stagnation in them. If Sakurai doesn't feel like he can take Smash as it is any further in its current form, well, now seems like the time!

    • @HypercatZ
      @HypercatZ 6 месяцев назад

      Yeah! Much probably the series will pull a Mortal Kombat 1 approach for the next episode, rewriting a lot of rules.
      For example pokeballs will stay but Assist Trophies will be eliminated, and instead you will get actual assistants from a second roster, which will be assigned to the four D-pad directions, to be summoned during the game, but with limitations. Like: You can summon only one assistant for each match and you can summon each of them four only only once for run.

  • @madnessarcade7447
    @madnessarcade7447 7 месяцев назад +11

    What if smash adopted pokken’s method of switch between 2d and 3d phases

    • @Yipper64
      @Yipper64 6 месяцев назад

      That's a bit too much change. I dont think people would like that.

    • @SKsuprakirby
      @SKsuprakirby 6 месяцев назад

      How do you make that thing work in an 8-players setting?

    • @HypercatZ
      @HypercatZ 6 месяцев назад +1

      That's a actually a good idea... For a Spinoff of the series.
      A second Smash Bros. game that shares half of the roster with the main series + other characters that are more fitting for a Pokken approach.

  • @garywhite4411
    @garywhite4411 7 месяцев назад +1

    Always excited for a new Jake video. :)

  • @jakiru8783
    @jakiru8783 Месяц назад

    lol, I actually don't mind the likelihood of an 'UltimateR', especially if it included a campaign much like what you discussed with in 'Worlds', as you mentioned. Somewhat in line with your 'Generations' idea, older characters could have their movesets completely revitalized but their classic movesets could be kept in the form of 'legacy echoes', helping to bolster the roster even further. I also want to see Smash open up lots more customization and shareable content creation, such as custom fights and stringing those together for your own 'Classic Mode' if you want!
    The Smash 'Revolution' idea is pretty cool too and I'd greatly prefer it over the total reboot idea many people seem to propose, which I don't think would be as successful.

  • @dg-vc8fz
    @dg-vc8fz 7 месяцев назад +4

    jake i will buy you a pizza! awesome video idea you should do some more videos like this! can't wait to see what you do next! see you in the next video or live stream keep up the great work!

  • @HiCallMeValor
    @HiCallMeValor 7 месяцев назад +1

    I don't know what's most likely, but I like the Worlds idea.
    I would also be curious about a tag-team-based reboot. Less characters but more potential combinations

  • @sterlingdragon123
    @sterlingdragon123 7 месяцев назад

    I appreciate that you have some original ideas here that aren't just the same boring ones that get trotted out constantly. I have a different vision however: not necessarily as a sequel to Smash Ultimate, but a new smash bros title that acts as something of a spinoff. Imagine a roster and game mechanics themed around something more specific than just "video games", with a smaller roster suited to its themes, whether that theme is something like a Villain Takeover, D-listers getting their rare chance in the sun, or retro 8-bit NES era gaming, any of these could have plenty of characters that would otherwise not have a great chance to get in a main smash game but could make for a fun game themselves.

  • @ulisestovarb4605
    @ulisestovarb4605 6 месяцев назад +1

    Personally i think It's Gonna be a Port Deluxe like New Stages&Return Stages,New Palutena's Guidance In Fighter's Pass Vol.1&Vol.2,New Sound Tracks,New Assist Trophies,New Spirits Etc. Only On Switch 2

  • @thetoadster0625
    @thetoadster0625 7 месяцев назад

    I love these theories Jake! I've had a similar theory to a future Smash, where you called it Revolution, I termed it Royal lol. Having Smash as a 3D platformer fighting game is a potentially risky move, but could be worth it in the end if performed correctly. I love the thought of running around as a fighter in a 3D environment! Maybe even have a feature where 2D platform fighting was still an option in case players want to go back to the roots of Smash. I found your Generations concept really appealing. Playing as your favorite "version" of a character sounds so nice (I'd love to main a Super Mario Galaxy version of Mario lol)

    • @INFERNO95
      @INFERNO95 6 месяцев назад +1

      Smash never worked as a 3D game.

  • @Barnacle_Boy
    @Barnacle_Boy 7 месяцев назад +2

    Smash Ultimate Deluxe. Like a Mario Kart 8 situation. All the DLC included, another fighters pass, a big new story mode similar to Subspace, and missing classic smash content like break the targets.

    • @Neoxon619
      @Neoxon619 7 месяцев назад +2

      But how are you gonna sell the average person on a port of a game they can already play on their Switch 2 via BC? It’s not like MK8 where the game was trapped on a failed system. And that’s before we get to the legal hurdles of including the third-party DLC companies, which would necessitate a new revenue split for everyone involved.
      A Deluxe port just doesn’t make sense, especially since it goes against Sakurai’s ideology for each Smash game he makes.

    • @INFERNO95
      @INFERNO95 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@Neoxon619 Finnally someone who knows a port won't work.

  • @virtua-halla
    @virtua-halla 4 месяца назад +2

    Sequel 6 super smash bros. Rebirth

  • @hoofrog
    @hoofrog 7 месяцев назад

    Great video as always. I will say when you were laying out the rules of the what makes a "Smash" game all I could see was Multiversus. It hits all the key points.

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  7 месяцев назад

      The biggest thing Smash has over Multiversus conceptually is I think the ~meaningful~ crossover. Since Smash fighters are from video games there are expectations about how they should feel and play. There are more strings to pull. In Multiversus, you kinda gotta just make a fighting game moveset that echos the character's energy.
      Thanks for watching ❤️

  • @ethanandjessie1997
    @ethanandjessie1997 5 месяцев назад +2

    Amy Rose wants to Be in Smash 6

  • @Radar_of_the_Stars
    @Radar_of_the_Stars 6 месяцев назад +2

    this is some high quality stuff for a channel this small

  • @JanitorJoey
    @JanitorJoey 7 месяцев назад +1

    Am I a sucker? Why does the idea of dozens of slightly different versions of the same character make me so excited? A lot of my favorites in Ultimate are like, Toon Link and Lucas and I adore the introduction of Echo fighters for Daisy, Dark Samus, etc. Just having more options of expression than just color swaps or the hassle of the customized moves from Smash 3DS. Does it sound like money? Not really, but give me Paper Mario vs Majora's Mask Link (with transformations anyone?)

  • @earthboundman5
    @earthboundman5 7 месяцев назад +2

    Really loving the new content Jake, enjoy your break, you deserve it!

  • @silvermoon2608
    @silvermoon2608 2 месяца назад

    I love the idea of a 3D smash bros but it’s a huge risk to try and replace the current smash formula. Maybe the solution is to port ultimate AND introduce a brand new 3D reboot of the series?

  • @Grim_Reaper81
    @Grim_Reaper81 6 месяцев назад

    All i hope is that master hand and crazy hand will always stick around

  • @Wenasoxf
    @Wenasoxf 5 месяцев назад

    I think a full world of light game would be a good option with most of The DLC

  • @DustyGogoat
    @DustyGogoat 7 месяцев назад

    Oh man SSB Revolution would be unreal 😭

  • @madnessarcade7447
    @madnessarcade7447 7 месяцев назад

    0:37 he says that but there are still alot of franchises not represented

  • @TFish115
    @TFish115 7 месяцев назад

    I say they just port ultimate with a bunch of new features. Maybe have 2 selectable move sets for the older fighters, add a bunch of new stages and characters, and possible a Melee mode that has melee physics. And an epic adventure mode similar to sub space.

  • @undergroundhiphopfan6335
    @undergroundhiphopfan6335 7 месяцев назад +1

    I want new changes to the core mechanics. The series hasn't moved forwards in this way since Brawl.

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  7 месяцев назад

      I really like the slime meter in NASB2! Would love to see something like that in Smash

  • @WhyYouWahYoo
    @WhyYouWahYoo 7 месяцев назад

    If the next system is backwards compatible, I could potentially see a Smash game for it that goes wild with it, with the logic being the “real” smash is still playable on it (maybe even upgraded in terms of graphics). That said, I feel like the most LIKELY thing to happen is, unfortunately, some kind of re-release of ultimate. I don’t want it, I think it ended perfectly with Sora and don’t think we need any more, but Nintendo’s gotta have a Smash on their new system. Its literally mandatory

  • @erickmaverick3128
    @erickmaverick3128 6 месяцев назад

    I know everyone wants Ultimate again, and again, Smash Bros Revolution and Smash Bros Reboot are ideas I can get behind, because it really flips the script and takes Smash into a new direction and territory that we've yet to see it in.
    At the very least, I can see the Revolution idea as a side mode. As for the Reboot idea, the thing I need most are characters FINALLY getting their movesets updated. I'm talking Samus, Sonic, Ganondorf, any that's overdue for a new coat of paint.
    Those are my two cents.

    • @erickmaverick3128
      @erickmaverick3128 6 месяцев назад

      Another thing: since Smash is a crossover, I want it to feel like a crossover with the characters from different worlds interacting with each other like in the trailers and Subspace. That essence was missing from Ultimate and Smash 4 to an extent

    • @jakiru8783
      @jakiru8783 Месяц назад

      I agree with older characters getting their movesets totally revitalized but I don't think a reboot has to be the route to make that happen.

  • @InvaderIceStrike
    @InvaderIceStrike 7 месяцев назад +1

    Oh snap, Jake!? I didn’t know you had a personal channel. The RUclips recommendation is treating me today!

  • @ForceRoundsPenguin
    @ForceRoundsPenguin 7 месяцев назад

    I like the Super Smash Bros: Budokai Tenkaichi idea the best. Smash games sell as good as they do because of the new characters. The next one should focus on featuring anything Ultimate does not have. Even though Ultimate has so much, you are correct that so much history is omitted from the worlds it has.

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  7 месяцев назад

      oh man, I am so hyped for Dragon Ball Sparking Zero 😭

  • @INFERNO95
    @INFERNO95 6 месяцев назад +1

    Smash as a 3D game would be terrible. 3D fighting games are dead anyway. Tekken is the only one still alive at this point.

  • @robertkenny1201
    @robertkenny1201 6 месяцев назад

    Well they could add Nemesis from Resident Evil.

  • @veganmeatball6780
    @veganmeatball6780 4 месяца назад

    Smash worlds and reboot are the most likely, revolutions and generations are interesting, but I feel like ultimater is the least likely. I think the new console will be backwards compatible with the switch, and smash ultimate can simply be played on the switch.

  • @themushroom1
    @themushroom1 5 месяцев назад

    This game will be Renewed in 2039 .

  • @ssjduelistDD
    @ssjduelistDD 7 месяцев назад +2

    I can see us getting Ultimate Deluxe at launch. Sane game plus new costumes and a few new Echoes. Then the Reboot Smash later on in the console's life cycle with new gameplay.

  • @madnessarcade7447
    @madnessarcade7447 7 месяцев назад

    So that people would get upset that we have ten versions of each fe character 😂

  • @barrysmith4610
    @barrysmith4610 7 месяцев назад

    Great video Jake. I hope you join the Good Vibes Gaming team as you work very well in a team dynamic

  • @danwashereman
    @danwashereman 7 месяцев назад +1

    I see Super Smash Bros UltimateR being more likely, kind of like how Nintendo did Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

    • @Neoxon619
      @Neoxon619 7 месяцев назад +1

      Not really, MK8D made sense because the Wii U bombed. The opposite is true for the Switch & Smash Ultimate. It’ll be tough getting the average person to buy what’s basically the same game again, especially when backwards compatibility is reportedly an option.

  • @TermiHorsecity
    @TermiHorsecity 6 месяцев назад

    I think the ideal future for smash would be #FreeMelee.

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  6 месяцев назад

      an HD remaster of Melee with online would be siiiiick

  • @banzaimarten9114
    @banzaimarten9114 6 месяцев назад

    i dunno that i'm really feeling the Generations pitch - I'm a Zelda fan, all we've ever had has been different iterations of the same characters
    a reboot sounds the most appealing, the last couple rosters have felt bloated to me anyway. let's thin out the playstation guests and the fire emblems, freshen up the longtime veterans to keep pace with the newer additions, and strengthen the single-player content while we're at it

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  6 месяцев назад +1

      I would hope the generations characters could be more different than what you see with the Links. It would really lean into movesets built around specific games.
      Imagine a Sunshine Mario moveset that takes full advantage of FLUDD. Or an Odyssey moveset all about whipping around cappie. I would even love to see a Mario spin-off moveset all about using sports equipment, party dice, and a kart for special moves!

    • @banzaimarten9114
      @banzaimarten9114 6 месяцев назад

      @@JakeSteinberg oh i know, i'm just having a bit of a laugh. it still wouldn't be my ideal scenario, but i could get on board with Toon Link swinging the Skull Hammer around while Young Link got that mask-based moveset everyone's asked for

  • @ArceusRules
    @ArceusRules 7 месяцев назад

    Will jek ever come back?

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  7 месяцев назад +1

      Jek hates my new channel-I'm trying to convince him to make an appearance!

    • @ArceusRules
      @ArceusRules 7 месяцев назад

      @@JakeSteinberg hopefully soon 😂 can't wait!!! 😂

  • @Spider-Gekko957
    @Spider-Gekko957 3 месяца назад

    How about super smash Bros Colosseum?

    • @JakeSteinberg
      @JakeSteinberg  3 месяца назад

      What's your idea for that??

    • @Spider-Gekko957
      @Spider-Gekko957 3 месяца назад

      Picture of this,The trailer starts with a white screen revealing the colosseum stage and the green pipe appears revealing Mario and the returning fighter including the DLCs, Ending off logo, super smash Brothers Colosseum in the end of the trailer reveals Luigi and Yoshi and reveals a couple of character posters titled everyone comes back and introducing a couple of fighters including a couple echo fighters and ending off introducing a brand new echo fighter, shadow the hedgehog will join the roster as Sonic’s Echo fighter, and a brand new fighter that’s two officers astral chain series will be a great addition to the roster
      And then we will reveal a few in a couple of stages, including the returning ones and new ones
      And a few game mechanics
      New amiibo an old ones can’t be compatible for this game
      A new smash Brothers, GameCube, controller, and new joy cons
      And the last announcement presenting 2 new fighters
      Dr. Eggman
      And one star fox representative
      And off with the release date December 25, 2025

  • @TheCaptainBlackimar
    @TheCaptainBlackimar 6 месяцев назад

    Jake has a YT channel? Lfg

  • @virtua-halla
    @virtua-halla 4 месяца назад

    Sequal

  • @tonythejhit7104
    @tonythejhit7104 6 месяцев назад

    add like marvel characters or capcom,a new story mode with good graphics like the ultimate trailers make the characters talk,add anime characters like goku or naruto like jump force or add new final smashes animations that u can unlock new skins,old stages from meele like the og battle feild or final destination