Flying LATAM 777 Business Class to MILAN
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
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Welcome back! Today we get to take a trip on South America's largest carrier, LATAM, with their Brazilian subsidiary, on the 777's business class, across the Atlantic Ocean to Milan, Italy. It might be my one of my new favorite business classes, but let me know your thoughts down below.
Airline: LATAM Airlines
Aircraft: B777-32W(ER)
Registration: PT-MUC
Flight Number: LA8072
Flight Time: 10h 49m
Flight Date: Dec 22, 2023
Cost: $2,100
0:00 Check In
2:46 LATAM Lounge
5:38 GRU Term 3
7:04 Boarding
8:32 The Seat
11:27 Amenities
13:02 STORY TIME!
16:23 GRU Departure
18:42 Inflight Entertainment
20:19 Menu
20:53 Dinner Service
23:01 Bed Time
25:28 Waking Up and Racing
26:19 Sunrise/Iberian Peninsula
27:05 Breakfast Service
28:34 MXP Arrival
32:24 Final Thoughts
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I will leave a suggestion. No international RUclipsr has ever covered the Gol Flight from Brasilia (BSB) To Orlando (MCO) on the MAX 8. It is one of the longest MAX 8 routes in the world. I do speak Portuguese (since I am from Brazil), so a few Brazilians have covered this flight already but no international one yet. It would be a "fun" challenge. I have a love-and-hate relationship with Latam, because I am from Brazil I use them a lot, domestically and internationally due to points. I had some awesome economy class experience on their 767 and 787. But also had some terrible experiences on their old 777s. Unfortunately due to the merger, they let go of the A350s.
Great to hear! Good notes. That GOL flight is very intriguing
It’s also worth mentioning that Brasilia is much safer than a place like São Paulo. I flew in the old American 757-200 to Miami when it was still operating, but I always had interest in the 737 max BSB to KMCO. It would make for a great video, It’s rare to find a good quality video of Brazilians themselves flying that Max, it would make it even rarer (literally the first international RUclipsr) to make that video
Don't blame anyone for not wanting to fly a max, even pilots avoid it
I work in LATAM and it's really nice to see you testing our product! Its the true that LATAM Brazil is by far the biggest branch but Chile is pretty big too, as well with Peru having a big chunk of their market. LATAM only operates 777s from Brazil, while in Chile all international long haul routes are 787s and Peru a mix of 787s and the last 767 remaining on the fleet. There's a big effort being put on retrofiting our cabins to a better standard, as most 787s have the old Premium Business seats which are already very tired. LATAM is also very big in Colombia and Ecuador. In Colombia they recently aquired a local low cost airline and some 320s still have their terrible Economy seats which dont recline!
Also due to local agreements several countries allow planes to be flown with CC registration aka Chile's and thats why you see LATAM Colombia and LATAM Peru fly them with a Chilean registration, its to save on paperwork and simplify exchange of aiplanes between hubs. With our future standarization of LOPAs in all of our aiplanes hopefully the experience is the same no matter what HUB are you using!
That’s all great information. Great to know! I’ll be trying Chile’s flights to Australia on the 787 later this year, so I’m excited to see the difference. Here’s to hoping that SFO gets back their South America routes! Thanks man!
Latam operates some 787s from São Paulo
I flew Varig airlines back in the 80’s, they used to be Brazils largest airlines. It was amazing, my economy seat was comparable to today’s premium economy or even some business class seats. Those days are long gone unfortunately 😢
And bro, you could have made your own ham and cheese croissant sandwich with that platter they gave you 😅
Once again, our boy showcases a hidden gem in commercial passenger aviation! Honestly the lounge food was so good, they could've served me an Economy meal on board and it'd be alright. But that plantain rice meal was chef's kiss!
- Red
Totally! Thanks man!
That's a crazy story! Wow. Thanks for the info + video!
Totally! Thanks!
'Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.'
"Something wrong? Patrick. You are sweating"
😂
Great as always
Thanks!
Love the Tango music in the background 😁
Love how thorough ur reviews are and love the wide variety of airlines and destinations. Thanks for taking us along your journeys!
Thank you! I appreciate it!
As a Brazilian, I’m so sorry for your bad experience here. Best wishes.
It was tough but I’m sure I’ll be back! Eventually it’s gotta end well 🤷♂️
I also feel ashamed about your bad experience in São Paulo . I am really sorry for what happened to you. I hope that despite this bad situation you have undergone, please be sure that the majority of Brazilians are nice, friendly and helpful people and that there are wonderful places to visit and discover. If you ever come back here, visit places beyond Rio and São Paulo. Brazil is a huge country! Congratulations for your excellent work showing different airlines all over the world. Keep going! Alberto (BSB).
Patrick, your channel is reading among the best aviation reviews. I remember watching your Walter videos and loved them. Glad to see you are flying more and getting more views and fans! Cheers!
Thank you! Very good to hear!
What a beautiful landing!🛬
wow! what a pleasant surprise to find my dear friends Marella Agois designing those latam necessaries!
What great video quality!
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing your nice flight here.😊
I am soo glad you survived your trip there just a couple of years ago. Yes, that was good you left your passport back at the hotel. Glad you were not hurt at all!😊 Wow! Well, I have learned to carry a couple of copies of my passport when I have flown international and I used my State ID not my driver's license on many of those international trips. I have my driver's license at home for that safety for me.😊 But again, be safe going to gorgeous San Paulo in the future!😊
Thank you for the overall good review of Lantam. You are right about being seated in the very last row there in Business Class. I hope the Purser came by to let you know that your first selected on both meal orders were not available! Years ago, when I would help Business Class meal service, I would hear that something was not available to customers in the last couple of rows of the second section Business Class form my airline. I would always apologize to the customer and see what little items if any were left over from First Class to give as a treat to Business Class. But again, I use to always make sure the my First F/As had spoiled First Class enough. And then I had even gone back to Economy Class to see what was leftover. Then if so, I would always come back up to Business Class and use some nice extra plates to arranging leftover meas iin a nice presentable display. I tried to make the passenger or passengers feel more comfortable onboard. Sometimes that worked and sometimes it did not. But I would try to make the him/her feel nice!!😊
Good stuff! Thank you!
@@PatrickSheaAviation You are welcome from cold cold Chicago. ☺
I did this route back in April of 23’ and have to say that was a great experience, Thanks patrick for the great video
Awesome! Thanks!
Nice coverage
Thanks!
Nice flight review.
Thanks!
LATAM is a shockingly good airline! I knew they existed of course seen a lot of their airplanes, bit never knew they were so GOOD! Your video was super informative helpfully and fun to watch, another great review Patrick!
Thank you! I would definitely recommend LATAM for South America flights. It was wonderful
Wow! Crazy story - so glad you were ok! I know from my work when I deal with Brazilian operations that one should be prepared with a Portuguese translator, but I am really surprised that the police didn't have more English/Spanish speakers. Thank you (as always) for your thorough review of LATAM. I would definitely fly it! Can't wait for your Melbourne trip! :)
Thank you!
Damn. Another great video Patrick coming through like Lamar Jackson these times.
Thanks man! Although we will have to see how these niners can do in this Super Bowl shuttin down Lamar. Waitin on that revenge from 2012 still
On my return from Istanbul, Turkish airlines lounge in Istanbul was incredible. Top, Top, Top!!! I flew on Ethiopian 8a Addis Ababa and was able to use the Turkish lounge. Simply beautiful bathrooms with as much or more marble than any hamam. And the amount and quality of food served overwhelmed me in comparison of the LATAM offering.
Good to hear! I’ll be trying out Turkish later this year
i love your videos im going on latam 787-9 bussnis class from auckland to sydney!
Awesome! Enjoy the flight! I’ll be trying that aircraft later this year
Thanks bro its worth it;)@@PatrickSheaAviation
You have to visit the Northeast of Brazil! Azul has flights from FLL and MCO to Recife, which is a beautiful city with amazing beaches nearby. I'm sure you'll have a better experience!
I’ve got plans to get to Recife this year. Very excited for it
Loved the report on LATAM's T7. Very informative, really great. I recently fley LA from GRU to MIA and back from MCO, on Y+, they are really good, it's actually my airline of choice nowadays as GRU/CGH are my hometown airports.
Being from São Paulo, I'm sorry that you had to go thru that situation. I hope you're willing to give our city another try, there are great things to do here.
Thanks for sharing and congrats for the awesome report.
Thanks! LATAM is excellent and I’m sure I’ll find myself back in São Paulo again. Maybe 5th times the charm
One hell of a story! That’s my biggest fear too, being robbed in a foreign country. The background music is now stuck in my head 🧐🤨
lol it always gets stuck in my head 🤣
I recently flew GRU - FRA and return, same aircraft and business class. Also very turbulent over the Brazilian coast! Very accurate review. Nice landing in Milan with the Alps in the back. Hope you get to manage your love and hate SP relationship as GRU is absurdly well connected for Latin American standards (the amount and quality of lounges might explain that). As an aviation enthusiast you should be down there quite often!
LATAM stepping up their premium game it seemed nice flights bro
Definitely! I loved to see this product from them!
I am just back from Latin America and I trust when you referenced the big screen as good for watching "football" you meant Soccer. When I travel beyond North America I love watching soccer and have become a big fan. Thanks for the great review...as always a stellar job!!!
Ha yes… I gotta say “football” for all the non-Americans since we like to be different and call it “soccer” lol
Thanks a million for the great video, Patrick! Now I know what to expect when taking them from/to Frankfurt wishing to avoid shitty Lufthansa. What's the background music? Please always add that to the remarks/notes or whatever you call that right below the videos as well since a lot of your videos come with great music.
Glad it helped! Thank you! Enjoy your flight!
Great video. I remember Lan Chile’s 707 and DC-10s Sydney Aukland Papeete Easter Island Santiago flights.
Thank you for speaking a little slower. It makes the narration more enjoyable.
That’s awesome! Thanks!
Hey Patrick! Thanks so much for the video. I am deeply sorry about the bad experience you had in our country, even when you knew where your things were. Probably the police needed a court order to break through the house "storing" your things. It is a little dumb, but... Well, I hope you can have better experiences here in the future.
Pretty good
Great review! Thoroughly enjoyed it, including your "fun story" from SP. Hope you can branch out to some more varied parts of Latin America in the name of aviation soon.
I snagged the 777 as part of the £1.2k LHR-GRU-CNF RT fare that existed for a while. Catering aside (I got my first choices which were meh), it's been my favourite cabin to fly in years. The relatively large footwell cannot be praised enough and allowed me to set my PB for sleep on a plane! Classy design, loads of storage, great IFE and such a comfortable seat and bedding. I'd rank this cabin above AF/KL/BA/IB given the choice. Just a shame about the limited mileage accrual avenues on European loyalty programmes.
Thanks! I’ll be back in South America a few times this year!
They are fixing this airport little by little, I was in that LOUNGE too and I really liked it a lot. Regarding the language, I was also surprised that there are almost no people who speak English or Spanish.
Fixing the airport is always nice. GRU needs more space in T3. They make it work but it involves so much shuffling of aircraft
Great review and I really appreciate you channel. I has a similar language experience with a hotel near GRU where no one could communicate with me. I tried spanish, english, and german. I studied a bit of portuguese in university, but they could not understand me (I tried). However, I didn't actually expect them to understand me. If you think about it, Sao Paulo is about a 2 hour flight to Asuncion (closest large-ish spanish speaking city). Boston to Montreal is about an hour and a half flight. So, by this logic cops in Boston should speak french. I kinda doubt it. Thanks for the great videos. Keep it up!
It's not very common to Brazilians learn Spanish to go to a Spanish speaking country, the small amount of us who actually goes to some Spanish speaking country usually are fine with Portuguese and when in countries like Paraguay Brazilians go shopping and they are the ones making the effort, we usually arent even needed to use their currency as they are eager to get the Real and makes all the effort to speak some portuguese
That’s all interesting. I totally get what you’re saying, I just found it strange that it was tough to find a cop who could speak Spanish or English for a little while. I guess Portuguese will have to be the next language I try learning
@@PatrickSheaAviation, Portuguese and Spanish are very closely related languages with a large degree of mutual intelligibility if not spoken too fast, and mostly a breeze to understand in writing (despite some treacherous false cognates). Even if the cops didn't speak Spanish (very few Brazilians do, actually, even highly educated ones, exactly because the languages are so similar and easily understandable that it doesn't seem worth the learning effort), they should be able to understand you and to reply in broken but understandable "Portuñol". If you speak Spanish, you really shouldn't have any problems communicating in Brazil.
We Brazilians and our South American neighbors communicate in "Portuñol" all the time and it works wonderfully. Just for starters, despite a supposed rivalry, Brazilians and Argentines are both crazy about each other's country (they're complementary in many ways, each having what the other lacks), millions vacation every year in the other country, and we hardly ever have any language problem.
That being said, you admitted that you were in a seedy part of the city - and as in all big cities, there are several run-down and dangerous areas (I certainly wouldn't stay in a hotel in the Tenderloin or lower Market Street areas of your hometown, which I have visited and loved it!). I absolutely loathe blaming the victim, but it's still a fact that São Paulo is a large city of a developing country (VERY large, actually, with *12 million* people within the strict city limits and *22 million* in the whole built-up metropolitan area!), and it's also a fact that you should research and be aware of the safer and less safe neighborhoods where you stay or visit in any such city, not only São Paulo. This would certainly also apply to Mexico City, Cairo, Istanbul, Johannesburg, Delhi, Bangkok, etc. - probably even Eastern Europe. It's not worth risking your safety for a few bucks. You certainly had a much greater loss than what you saved in your hotel - and you should still be thankful for being alive and well.
And I concur with what another local commenter said: on first impression, São Paulo does look like a bleak, grey, chaotic concrete jungle of random ugly skyscrapers and heavy traffic, but like all cities of its size, it has A LOT of hidden charms. It's a fantastic place for cultural life, gastronomy (it's an immigrant haven, so you have great food from all over the world), shopping, all kinds of different experiences. I'm originally from another part of Brazil, but I've been living in São Paulo for 29 years and I absolutely LOVE this city!
Oh, and the airport name is pronounced "gwah-ROO-lyus", with the last part similar to "Julius". It's actually the name of the neighboring city in metropolitan São Paulo where the airport is. Just to give an idea of how huge metro São Paulo is, just the "neighboring suburban city" of Guarulhos alone has about 1.2 million residents!
Hey Patrick. I've had to put my food from the sky lounge on the arm rest of the chair 😊 Can't you pre order Latam next time? awesome bedding!!! Fly 💸 safe. Charles
Thanks man! Gotta get creative without tables sometimes 😂
When are you doing Santiago - Melbourne flight review? Very interested in this as I want to go to Sth America. Confession - major flight anxiety over that route. Qantas flies there also but not from Melbourne.
I’ve got plans for this year, but no official dates just yet. The prices on that route are NUTS! So I’m plugging different connecting destinations and dates in to try and find an affordable option
Right 😊!
Never been south of the equator before, certainly on my bucket list. American has a maintenance hanger in Sao Paolo to take advantage of the down time. AA leaves there plans parked all day to fly later so that when people arrive into the US they can catch their connecting flights to other US cities
Totally makes sense. Although it’s interesting just how many aircraft from different airlines do the same thing at São Paulo specifically
@@PatrickSheaAviation probably for the same reasons as AA. They wanna fly back to their hub at the right time for connecting flights. Watch this video for more on how flight scheduling works.
ruclips.net/video/dGXahSnA_oA/видео.html
Dear dear Patrick, thank you for my suggestions on both TAAG first and now LATAM I wanted to see; you were an extremely polite gent in this review, cheers for that. And being blagged in São Paulo, it’s something quite common , pains me to say; it’s one of the most dangerous cities in the world, glad you were not shot and luckily you ended up home and dry. and about the police? It’s pointless, they are as dangerous as the blaggers , do hope not to offend any Brazilian ; and when it comes to the languages? Most of the Brazilian speak some Spanish but not English; same as the LATAM cabin crew, they hardly speak some sort of drivelled English. And as I expected, as a LATAM frequent flyer, food is not the strongest point.
Anyhow it’s quite clear you did enjoy the flight. Another simply brilliant review Patrick , you hit it once again, cheers mate
Thanks! Great points about São Paulo. LATAM was wonderful still!
That’s just great Patrick
I live in São Paulo, and it's a gross exaggeration to say that it's "one of the most dangerous cities in the world". Yes, there's a lot of crime, but the city is humongously BIG, and there are some very dangerous areas while others are probably safer than Park Avenue in Manhattan. We locals currently avoid downtown and the immediate surrounding inner city at all costs (too many drug addicts and dealers), but the city is highly decentralized (the current main business district is far from downtown, for example) and we rarely need to go to downtown. The wealthy areas of the Southwest part of the city (Paulista Avenue, and the Jardins, Pinheiros, Itaim districts), where most hotels are located, are much safer. The vast majority of crime in São Paulo happens either in downtown or in the impoverished far peripheral suburbs. The areas in between are no different from any other major world metropolis.
That't why I said, "hoping not to offend any Brazilian" it's just some statistics I once or twice read I am a traveller, all the world. So if an offense, I apologize "goytabr"@@goytabr
@@serge9808, don't worry, you didn't offend me. I live here, I know that this isn't exactly Switzerland, and I've suffered my share of violence (but then, over a span of many years living here, I've had plenty of time and opportunities to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, which could happen even in New York or Paris). I just thought that you were too generalistic and imprecise, especially because São Paulo isn't uniformly and invariably violent. In the neighborhood where I live, sometimes I walk to the convenience store at the corner gas station at 2 AM without any worry.
Labor costs in Brazil are much cheaper than in the United States, So what a lot of US airlines do, is they fly planes that arrive in the morning. Get them serviced during the day and then fly them back at night.
I'm sure you passed over Algeria, I usually get to see it in FR 24 and also from my window
Awesome! Although we stayed along the North Mediterranean on this flight unfortunately
funny thing that you have only those pair of shoes 👟 for flight reviews man I remarked that whenever you show legroom
@@PatrickSheaAviation but sorry for your sad story man 💔
Make sure you sit in the first few rows of the business class cabin in order to get your first choice of meal. For some reason, so many youtubers like to sit in the last row.
The last row is better for privacy when filming but in all honesty, this was the only window seat left when I booked. I typically don’t like the aft cabins
Very nice video Patrick, as usual very enjoyable. Just a small detail, the menu is written in English, Portuguese and Spanish -not Italian -. Anyway, very well documented trip.
Thanks man
What's your take on the reinstatement of the visa requirement beginning April 2024 for Americans traveling to Brazil? Side faucets are a thing in Brazil? Who knew!
Side faucets are NOT a thing in BR. Maybe that Latam bathroom required it.
Greetings from SP.
It's not a thing, but something that I'm really starting to realize is that lameass interior designers has some kind of fetiche in overcomplicating faucets cause they think it's fancy. Some faucets you can spend 30 min trying to figure out how to open it, some of them people even try to use gestures, clap, and voice commands only to realize that instead of rotating the valve it's actually a lever.
I’m bummed to have to remember one more thing before traveling, but all-in-all it shouldn’t be too big of an issue hopefully
@@PatrickSheaAviation, if what I heard from before the short-lived visa waiver is any indication, the visa requirement is just a diplomatic retaliation for the U.S. demand of visas for Brazilians, and a Brazilian visa for Americans was hardly ever denied (the reverse is NOT true). It's certainly another expense and annoyance, but not really a big deal, and it used to be available even by mail (but Brazil does have a consulate in San Francisco, so it's even easier for you).
Flew J on points SYD/Auckland/SCl on a343 and surprisingly empty in J.
Back on QF first flight nonstop SCL TO SYD
Loved domestics to Punta ARENAS and great pilots in ordinary conditions.
That’s awesome! I’ve got plans with both carriers from Santiago later this year
always appreciate your efforts to share perspectives on market and historical analysis and think this element in your videos is what makes your content even more compelling👌 airport lounge design should always factor in close and clear views of aircrafts (so totes with you on this) beautiful cabin design with generous space. whoa, comforter 'perhaps better than Emirates' speaks volumes! yes, i remember that harrowing Sao Paolo story and oddly your reaction about being annoyed sounds like you to a T lol and even though idk you personally your choice of narrative reflects a bit of your personality imo hehe "cool aviation events trump safety" 👍as an air force brat i would agree. 18:16 to 18:35 is a wicked segment (gorgeous lighting) bummer about the wi-fi (were there vents?) entire meal service seemed completely on point (i realize the language barrier must have been frustrating but hope the cabin crew were at least pleasant) so good to be able to live vicariously every sunday on your channel #werd and please keep doing you! thanks dude
Thanks man! The crew was great! Even if only one of them spoke good English
Nice airline. I cracked up when you got basically what you wanted for breakfast. You got a “deconstructed” ham and cheese croissant. You’d pay a lot extra for that in a fancy restaurant.😂 Super video btw.
lol I love it! I hadn’t even noticed that
“…where we find the lounges and a massage parlor.” Dude, you just described Laughlin, Nevada.
😂😂
Just a small correction: the menus were in Portuguese, Spanish and English. Not Italian.
I always love your very informative videos, Patrick! But that repeatative music was driving me nuts!
Such a COOL travel vlog! I always love the airline histories in your vlogs -> so interesting. ROBBED AT GUNPOINT?!?!?! OH NO! Business (& 1st) are SO GREAT! Lounges, great food, comfy seat/bed, free unlimited BOOZE!!! Don't planes have to be more separated at altitude? WOW GIBRALTAR from 35K ft! PS spring for a credit card with hotel points so you can stay in a good area
Thanks! The hotel credit card isn’t a bad idea since I end up wasting all my points on flights 🥲
Hi Patrick! Here in Brazil have an airline with the BEST service of all Latin America, the name is Azul, please make an video with this airline, is so good! Please do the route REC(Recife)-FLL(Fort Lauderdale)!
I’ve got a video with them actually. From Viracopos to Orlando. I really enjoyed it and have been looking at flying with them again soon
Flying through the Intertropical convergence zone (ICZ) is a recipe for bad turbulence. Flying through the ICZ in the middle of the Atlantic is much worse. I hate it.
It’s like a 30 minute roller coaster ride 🥲
Greetings from Brazil🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Did you sleep well on a red eye flight and how many hours sleep? Hope your sleep is good and comfortable on a red eye flight, even though there is no air vent.
I did get some sleep. Super comfy bed on LATAM!
Okay I see.
I'd definitely recommend u to try out Qanats. I've flown with them twice, and I've had very different experiences each time. I flew them on their A330-200 from Syd-Blr and flew them back on their A330-300 from Blr-Syd. Both experiences were complete polar opposites, with one being really good and the other one being not so good. So it'd be really interesting to see u fly them.
Awesome! I’ve got a few flights coming up this year that I’m particularly excited about
@PatrickSheaAviation seems very interesting. Can't wait to see what u have coming for us this year. Keep up the amazing work, mate!!!
I thought that the LATAM lounge food was very ordinary in July 2023. Also there are special tourist police locations where English is spoken.
Yea they mentioned that but with no directions there’s no chance I’d find it
Simply Aviation identifies the seat types and manufacturers. Idk where they get that info but it would be great if you also had that info❤😊
I’ve been looking into a good way to build a database of that stuff. Hopefully one day!
7:48 GRU is actually one of American’s most profitable routes. I travel there all the time and the flights are always FULL.
Up until recently with Delta now partnering with Latam, which they now owned partially. They will eventually cut into American profits with better connections and not having to use their own planes which American have lost.
I’ve heard that AA is doing great in Brazil, even after the LATAM/Delta agreement. AA’s specialty has always been central and South American routes for sure
American also has a reservations center in São Paulo.
Even LATAM's national, intra-Colombia economy product is great.
Good to know!
Hello, great video, it's rare to see famous RUclipsrs show South America, I'm from São Paulo, and I've never had any problems with security, obviously I know it's not the safest city in the world, but don't let what happened leave a negative impression . Come more often and I suggest trying the second company that makes long flights to Azul - which flies with 330 ceo and neo from Paris (Orly) Lisbon, Porto, Orlando, and Fort Lauderdale. - and they don't use Guarulhos, but Campinas, a city 80 km from São Paulo - it would be a new and, experience, Try to visit Florianópolis, a very beautiful city in the South
I’ve flown Azul and put a video up about it a couple years ago. Loved it! Trying to fly their newer planes this year. I’m always down to visit places, even if they’ve been negative. São Paulo has yet to leave me with a good taste in my mouth unfortunately. There’s always next time though
The LATAM Chile experience is always way superior.
I could not disagree more.
Had some experiences flying LAN to Australia before the merger and with latam after the merger both in economy and business. They were some of the worst long haul flights I have ever taken. Considerably worse than LATAM flights from GRU to Europe, IMO.
TAM was so much better when it was standalone. Not it is consistently bad across all subsidiaries.
@@rcubellas Well, it seems that our experiences are different. One thing is for sure, the data doesn't lie. Before the merger, Lan Airlines consistently won the award for best airline in Latin America, while Tam, well, let's just say it had problems and became one of the most unsafe airlines in the world. Its long-haul fleet is now so small that Chilean planes are repositioned to cover its routes, which is a pity. LAN used to connect Spanish-speaking Latin America to the world, now it connects Spanish-speaking Latin America to Brazil and, from there, to the world. The product offered by LATAM Brazil in Economy in their 777-300er (in which I had the misfortune to fly), is mediocre to say the least, an outdated product and in a maximum density configuration that is surpassed by the interior of their 787s (mostly Chilean). And I want to clarify that I am Argentinean, so I would have no reason to lean towards their Chilean counterpart if it wasn't because of the positive experiences I had with them. LAN is a loss that all of us Spanish speakers miss, because it never returned to what it was. And considering that LAN was the one that took over TAM, it is a shame that it has become a Brazilian airline.
Well I guess I’ll find out in a few months!
These new Latam seats are so compact, it felt very close to the screen and when you recline, about half of your body is under the cubby so it felt claustrophobic. Honestly, I actually prefer their older 2-2-2 seating. The Latam crew are usually very cheery and welcoming, but their meal service is almost always too slow, some times it takes them almost 2 hours to wrap up a midnight departure 6-hr flight. The Latam lounges are fantastic though, both SCL and GRU!
Interesting. I’m not typically a fan of the 2-2-2 seatings and tend to prefer the ones that offer more privacy
@6:20 that plane seems to be taking off so slowly...?
lol it’s slowed down… or is it just the newest invention in Boeing airfoils 🤷♂️
From what I see the three languages are Spanish, Portuguese and English on the menu. I did not see Italian.
the cuts of Oakland haha
🤣🤷♂️
I'm just curious if I need to go to a Police station in SFO ( such international city as SAO) will I find someone who speaks Portuguese?
what a stupid question.
Well probably not. They’d probably get someone eventually who could communicate. I just feel like English and Spanish would be far more common to expect at least with more people around the world speaking those, especially in South America
Hi Patrick, thank you very much for your polite answer. I've been working for the airlines industry for at least 20 years, i also worked for a Police station as a translator, and I can tell you that in Rio and SAO there are some stations specialized in foreigners. Its a pity the one you asked for help couldn't assist you properly.
Its good to clarify that we, Brazilians, dont like when people think we speak Spanish, its easier to find someone speaking English than Spanish. Im glad you said you will continue flying to Brazil. I love your videos and next time you come to Rio lets have a coffee!.@@PatrickSheaAviation
sorry to hear you got robbed and our police didn’t help much 😢 SP is no joke. Loooove ur videos
SP has messed with me a few times but I’m sure I’ll be back again
Lovely video, but might be worth it for you to invest in a mic to narrate your videos in good quality audio. :)
LAN bought TAM, they didnt agree on a merger, it was necessary to not lose demand in the Brazilian market. The quality has gotten worse since the merge and Santiago has lost a bunch of routes due to GRU and LIM hubs
That’s good to know! All I know is my home airport lost their SFO-LIM route in the process unfortunately
@@PatrickSheaAviation Yep, also most of the 787s that Latam Chile use dont have the upgraded business class cabin that you flew in this video. The lounge in santiago is top notch, its basically new because santiago has a new international terminal
As for the São Paulo police officers not being able to get your iPhone out of the building where they knew it was, that happens to residents who are mugged too. Some buildings in the old and now disqualified center are full of small apartments occupied by poor people, illegal aliens - and drug dealers, criminals, etc. Police action there requires specific planning.(Your phone has probably gone to some country in Africa.)
Greetings from SP, I hope to see you back soon and better prepared to face this city which, among the good things, is also violent.
brazil is a sh!thole.
Damn, you got robbed at gun point? I was planning to visit Sao Paulo next month. I don’t think I’m going anymore.
lol as with any big city you just gotta be careful and know where to go. In my experience São Paulo has less “safe areas” but if done right, I’m sure you could still have a good time. Just be careful. I’ve been robbed a few times there, so the risk is definitely present
come to Sao Paulo - this things can happen everywhere - also look for a city in South name Florianópolis, massive place to visit
I flew in Latam Business Class and it’s really STANDARD !!!!!, nothing special !!!!!
Damn that’s unfortunate. I really enjoyed this flight and prefer it over most business classes in the world
You are wrong about AA’s history at GRU. AA at GRU long predated USAirways.
AA purchased Eastern Airlines’ Latin American routes in 1990, and quickly grew to become the dominant carrier in many cities. AA had a huge presence at GRU even in the 1990s, and even had a mini-hub there at one time. I know that I flew into GRU frequently in the late 90s on AA and then connected to Belo Horizonte, Porto Alegre, Asunción and Montevideo with each flight on AA metal. AA efficiently used the time the planes would be on the ground all day in GRU to serve those markets.
USAirways did not arrive in GRU until MUCH later and only had a tiny footprint.
Wow so they use their own planes to connect passengers to secondary cities? Now with the partnership between Latam and Delta, AA looks to be in slight discomfort. That will cut into their profitability.
You are not fully correct also. 1. AA's first attempt to operate in the Brazilian market took place in 1982, when they replaced Braniff, connecting only Dallas (DFW) to Brazil. It didn't work because the Brazilian market was used to flying MIA, JFK or LAX. This operation was closed less than 2 years later. The second attempt, happened in 1990, with departures from GIG and GRU to MIA. Soon they added JFK to both Brazilian hubs
2. The Brazilian government aviation agency (in the past the DAC, currently ANAC) has never allowed domestic flights carried out by foreign airlines. There have never been any domestic flights in Brazil with AA planes.
3. Perhaps AA has operated flights with stops to other capitals in South America, but always outside Brazil, such as MVD, BUE, ASU, but this type of operation, if it existed, has been discontinued for decades.
@@JeanClaudeCOCO it never happened, simply beacuse the Brazilian Aviation agency never allowed domestic flights carried by foreign airlines. In the past, sometimes the plane had more than one stop, like the JFK-GIG-GRU route. But in these situations without boardind of new passengers. And this kind of operation finished in the 90´s
Can someone post the music credit for this video please if they know it? It was far too catchy 😂
lol it’s all through epidemic sound
(Back in the days of LAN Chile, other national airlines were still in operation such as Aero Peru, Ecuatoriana, PLUNA, LAB & VARIG, all of which are defunct. LATAM is now the predominant carrier or 2nd/3rd biggest in each market. LATAM has sure been taking over the continent, haven't they?)
Guarulhos: pronounced (GWAH-ROO-LEE-OHS); well, that's pretty close anyway. And I didn't realize that ITA Airways is actually pronounced (EETAH) which is how you said it in your video, so I learned something new.
Patrick, why was that sink in the lounge (with the faucet on the side) so "uncomfortable" for you? What exactly were you doing in that sink?!?! 😉
Patrick, were you walking around on your own in São Paulo? Not a destination I've ever desired to visit and no intentions of ever going there. For touristic purposes, it's very low on the list and I have also felt that it's an intimidating mega-city, and you just proved it.
Anyway, top notch video as always from you. 9.887
Thanks! LATAM’s dominance and growth is largely helping South America have its own identity and not allowing other continents to take over, even if there are drawbacks of losing some other carriers. São Paulo kind of only got on my radar for aviation purposes. Less so for tourist purposes. Regardless, walking around has not been super successful for me so far lol 🥲
Moral of the story, don’t stay in a sketchy area just to fly Business. I’ve been robbed in Miami before, not fun at all.
Right, always stay in a decent part of the city, why? Because the police is much more readily available and the chances of getting help, being understood (language barrier) is less of a problem because the area is much more international.
lol what’s the fun in that 🤣 but nah yea I hear ya
Everybody I know who's been to Brazil, has been robbed there. Crazy.
Besides Mexico its the most dangerous country in LatAm, kids here are taught to never be alone (or even with people) in the night no matter where you live. Everyone has at least one friend who was robbed somewhere, myself is no exception. Trafficking wars in Rio specially have built up the tension of both Brazillians and foregneirs alike, however if you can note a good side effect is that Brazil has one of the best elite police squadrons in the world, which unfortunately isn't enough to combat crime
I have been there 7 times in the past three years spending well over six months there cumulatively and have never been robbed. This includes a significant amount of time in the northeast, which is known to have higher crime rates. But I do know of others - all Brazilians - who have been robbed there.
Yea it’s tough. I’ve been a few times and been robbed each time in different areas, all while I thought I was being safer each time. I’m sure there are ways to do it better 🤷♂️
Bas weather in that area of the ocean is a usual thing…
Yea… made for a fun 30 minutes or so
13:08 you just got the full brazilian experience. Welcome to hell.
Ha! Now I just need to get to carnival
Patrick stay away from SCL Hub, a horrendous airport to connect to. LATAM ground service is atrocious, avoid them like the plague. Remember stay away. The VP of Customers, Paulo Miranda, never respond to any complaints. Love your videos and reviews.
That’s tough! Although I’ll be there on Qantas so I guess we will see how they are at SCL. I am excited for my visit
@@PatrickSheaAviation you will enjoy the VIP Lounge hands down the best in South America. Showers are excellent- Rest Area individual beds if required and Food are excellent Good luck with your connection. Love your content!!
The merger between LAN and TAM was such a bad move. It has slowly become a Brazilian-based airline, inheriting TAM's problems, and leaving the other countries in its network poorly connected. Now there isn't even a flight from Santiago to London, with was unthinkable when LAN ruled the Latin American skies.
During graduate school, I traveled to La Serena (LAX-SCL-LSC-SCL-LAX) on LAN for an astronomy conference. I had zero expectations of LAN, but my experience (to and from) was all things favorable.
It’s not brazilian fault to be by far the largest market in all latin America. Deal with it.
British Airways serve Santiago to London Heathrow. Hop on board! 😊
It’s tough for sure and it has its problems no doubt, but South America is able to use LATAM to keep other continents’ carriers from dominating their own markets at least
As a Brazilian I would say the merge was bad for us too cuz Tam was by far one of the best airlines in South America ( if not the best at that moment ) with a good service and then they merged with Lan and nowadays it looks like a low cost with more expensive fares and worse service than before .
Those seatscreens are huge how'd you watch anything with that big guy blocking your view
Coulda done without the snoring soundtrack but other than that great footage
Hint - buy the second hand phone at the beginning of the trip and leave your good phone in the hotel. Love Sao Paulo 🙂
That’s a hell of an idea lol. Good one for next time
You are irreplaceable, Mr. Patrick. Stolen items, however the degree of inconvenience, are replaceable.
Perspective, young man.
lol you’ve got a good point
I feel sorry for you staying in Brazil man! As a Brazilian I feel ashamed and it always leave such a bad impression of the country.
They’ve been some tough trips but I’m sure I’ll end up back in Brazil again 🤷♂️
@@PatrickSheaAviation I hope you’ll have a better experience next time you come to SP! And keep the great job! 🙏🏻
Pls don’t forget Nigeria
Soon!
why does EVERYONE have a robbery story in Brazil? :/
🇧🇷brazil has lots of robbers.
lol it’s nuts out there. There are ways to do it safely, but I guess I gotta try harder 🤣
Noooooo the best on this route is Alitalia on GRU-FCO or GRU-MXP alwaysssss.. latam is worst
ITA only does the Rome flights from South America, and while I haven’t flown with them, LATAM seems hard to beat
@@PatrickSheaAviation Yes my friend, Alitalia, which is now ITA, already made several flights before the pandemic between Milan and Guarulhos directly. Alitalia/ITA is a "Ferrari" compared to Latam
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Getting robbed at gunpoint in a country where you don’t know the language sounds like a nightmare. Jarring followed by a shit show experience. I think you have enough subscribers around the world that you if you reach out, someone would gladly show you around and keep you out of trouble. At the least, give you some local insight. For example, I live in San Francisco so the next time you’re in The City, I can give you the deets on how to take BART, cool places to go, sketchy places to avoid, etc. Oh wait, you’re from here. Nvm. 😂
It was wild for sure! Not a bad idea though. Although I might be covered in SF LOL! 🤣
the seat area looks filthy and very tired (read tatty!)
Idk about that. It felt super well-kept
Sorry for so a bad experience in my country. Unfortunately, while we have a thief in the presidency the violence has a trend of getting worse. My advice is DON'T EVEN THINK OF COMING TO BRAZIL! Thanks for sharing!
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It’s unfortunate to have had those experiences, but I’m sure I’ll be back. Gotta see if Sao Paulo can redeem itself on my 5th attempt
@@PatrickSheaAviationyes, I also dont like our president, but please come back again
São Paulo is a horrendous city in brazil. So ugly and dangerous!
You should come back to visit Rio or the Northestern capitals with beaches and loads of nature features!
Mate, Sampa is 100% safer than Rio. Good sense of humour, though!
São Paulo is an amazing city, totally underrated. It takes a special kind of person to appreciate it and discover it. Hope you give it a shot someday.
@@dadcelo I’m brazilian, I live few hundreds of KMs away from SP and I had terrible experiences dozens of times i’ve been there. Gray, dangerous, dirty and expensive city with not many things to do. I don’t even need to mention the terrible weather.
@@GregoryKodolanyiRitter that doesn’t leave the fact that São Paulo is terribly dangerous as well. And ugly. And dirty. That’s why Rio is the postcard of Brazil and not Sampa 😂
Bruh, the guy got robbed in Sao Paulo and you want him to go to Rio that's even worse?! LoL
Brazil is wild and they want to charged some counties 2k visa to enter brazil!!! lol what a Joke!
This was my last trip before that new visa process begins. Not sure when I’ll be back, but it’ll be interesting!
Sorry, but I wouldn't touch any South American carrier with a 9" pole
Damn that’s unfortunate. There’s some good carriers and great value. LATAM is top tier, but Avianca is incredible as well in the business class cabin
Sao Paulo is the worst city to visit because it's not safe, they will pick pocket, so be careful with your phone if you need direction and unfortunately, the police cannot do anything, even though your phone is stolen. Don't visit Sao Paulo because it's the worst city and it's not safe, they will pick pocket and even though your phone is stolen, the police cannot do anything unfortunately.