NEW USD AEON XXI 2021 AGGRESSIVE SKATES REVIIEW
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It seems like every agressive inline video I find is full of older millennials wanting to get back into the sport. Haha me too. I haven't ridden for 20 years. Moved to skateboarding in junior high school. Looking to get back into both now. I like everything I see about these skates. I might have to head up to roller warehouse this week. 🤘👍
oh shit, yep, that's me!
Me too!! I use to skate 2003 TRS skates!
;)
I started up about two months ago after quitting for 22 years and it's the best decision I ever made. I found other old guys on fb groups for rollerblading and it's so fun to meet up at the skatepark - you gotta get some skates!
True, i skated K2 fatty arround 1996 and looking to get back into it...still have my Boneless kneepads :-D
Thank you for the content you deliver to us, always! Because of you, I skated again after 17 years, a love that I left in childhood and that now accompanies me! Always force, a lot of admiration for your work. Brazil here
This!!!
This means so much to me Ernesto.
So very happy to know I’m motivating people to start or REstart ;). It’s my goal ❤️
Keep skating , we’ll see us around #smallworld
Same for me!
@@RicardoLino same for me as well!!
Its great to see your review on this Aeon. I started into blading 4 months ago and my first one was the team duo 19 red Aeon. I have learned a lot from your videos. I'm 31 and so hyped into aggressive skating that lets say became quite addicted to the skates. From 1 pair, I'm right know with 15 pairs wich 9 of them are Aeons. I will be getting the Croft 2 too. This cuff best upgrade that could happen. Very curious about the Aeon soul plates being made. Currently I'm starting to learn grinds. I had to focus first on riding properly on the basics to prepare for the grinds. I could say I'm a wheel addict too. Keep it up. I'm from Puerto Rico. Blading and roller skating is starting to get popularity again.
Damn bro how you got 15 pairs when you’re just 4 months into blading? haha that’s crazy
Love your review and your energy! Going to buy the Aeon 60 basics and start skating again, havent skated in YEARS. I think its about 10-15 years. :)
I don’t understand why some people want ufs version of aeon skates, what aeon makes aeon is unibody concept and it’s light weight, if some one wants ufs mounting skates than there are other options on usd skates, like sway or carbon models or any other brand, and with oysi “wish” frames you can make very good flat setups (by the way I still don’t get it why we pronounce it as “wish”) so in the end we are in a very good era on inline skating particularly on aggressive, there are so many options and new ones are coming to market, someone is developing niche skates and they look promising, you can search it on instagram, maybe ricardo lino receive a prototype model and make a review about that it, it will be good
I think I'm the only one truly hating the new cuff. There is way too much space between the cuff and the shell. I could literally touch my the laces with a buckle. It was horrible despite the cuff regulation. I changed to my old Aeon cuff and now It feels solid and does not bend forward. Just my opinion tho
Just got myself a pair. Haven't had a chance to skate them yet because of Covid lockdown (plus the weather), so just worn them round the house. First impressions are they feel more comfortable and more flexy than my old Aeons but the sizing feels slightly bigger too so I'm getting a bit of heel lift.
It was just the socks I was wearing at the time. I've skated in them since and for me they fit true to size. They're more comfortable than my last Aeons, especially around the ankles, and are more flexy.
Fell in love with the Aeon ever since I won a pair of A80s. Now I got a rail craving and it seems I may have done the right thing not to jump on the previous Aeon 60s. Thanks for the excellent clip, Ricardo! 🤜🤛
My Aeon skates are rockered. I put smaller wheels on the front and back wheels. It's super fun. Turns so fast.
Aeon 68 Román Abrate review, please!🙏
Thank you - Awesome review! Thank you so much for the infomation and feedback! Keep up the good work! I totally agree on the Velcro being too weak on the 45degree strap, but for me (with a very flat foot) the strap is way to long on all my Aeons!
I love seeing that design. Back in the 1990s and early 00s, I had a pair of cheap super light (I'm early 30s now so 10-15 years old) and took out the two middle wheels on both bc I needed to SLIDDDDEE, and proud of my youthful ingenuity that I can't resist stroking my creative id, or is that still ego? Haha, but after about 17 years going to get a pair since I outgrew my only aggressive pair that were too small by 15 and new neighborhood kids didn't do that stuff, golf cart kids ha. If they catch me here, then call me fool! Rofl. Gonna be that older goofy guy here soon. Had health issues for a while without real help from medical care despite a lot of avenues pursued.
Excited guys just straight excited to be that guy the kids are laughing at then ideally awed by hehe. I was like 10 when I took the middle wheels out and carved/ polished/ waxed the middle to grind. I could get some crazy speed and airtime (over 8" basketball goal rim, want to say 8.5" but I waslike 90 lbs (6 ft half pipe was a struggle to get above coping) but could do 540s, afraid to go upside down but ahh hindsight says it would have been so easy on a smooth pipe.
Thanks for this. I literally linked that same design to my bro and dad earlier and this was not picked with any attention paid. I don't have much reason to think coincidence or co-occurance of events won't lead to a third, a pattern. Seek and find kids this is a dream world but hopefully not inception style ha. Either way, the limits were not taught to us. We are much more than those in power want us to embrace. The creative divine force, the flow. When you are not thinking and who do you think is controlling ALL THE THINGS involved in a basic grind, forgetting names! Been so long! Can't remember my favorite grind! Luckily relearning is fun when you come back with a new understanding ie perspective on what you're doing.
X games here i come, David Harry will settle for a medal, but it's gotta be gold at the same time Haha!! Love of life is the purpose of life, not the things you have, no, the experience itself that is sculpting you into what you focus your energy on. It's new age hocus pocus but belief is all ya need, any religion will tell you that. Figure out what the heck ya are and see the many reasons you can be here for without error. So long you practice truth by speaking it, being true to yourself and not the world that wants to to be more in their comfort zone!
Stuff like this is how demicapans are voided out of existence bc it's a low body temp and low respiration rate that allows Pneumonia to consume the lungs of someone weak or unfortunately they are youthsinyzed with fentanyl into a coma, but we know the epidemic and respiratory suppression from opioid based drugs. Not the stuff you want to play with, stick with literal fire or other poisons if you must. Apologies for going to how this madness is caused by not coughing up and OUT waste your (mind lolbut been having lots of issues following klonopin cold turkeyleap of faith 4 years back... ironically for an emergency bc BENZOS CAN WREAK HAVOC on your nervous system.
So coordination and everything I've had to adapt. And finally, as if I'd been dead to my true desires and nature that fuels them for 15ish years. I see a light lolol.
Decided I want backyard to rival Woodward assuming that's still a thing... thanks "sckience" aka computer modeling with what, 500% rough estimate in over- estimating changes in complex systems and notice how they focus on one thing typically? No holistic natural view. Mother nature not disorderly, we know that from the way we connect with Mother earth and her physics parameters(laws are for God and uneducated that don't understand what that Jesus and Buddha and Muhammed (more digging for me there but it's just a trilogy thing imo. One superseding the previous, designed to cause division and disagreements and add language barrier, which we are about to surpass!
This is the energy just thinking about the throbbing pains and that moment you land it after hours not quite able to get enough air for 2 full rotations (90lbs lol, can't imagine now @170) and finally hit it as the sun's starting to set, and didn't even matter that nobody saw the magic attempt Tony hawk 900 in best trick style repetition until I got it. Man good times.
Ya I'm listening to the
I'm using the AEON basic 60 and I felt the problem with the cuff as soon as I got to skate it a bit more, but it is pretty solid and durable skate.
I have the Aeon Basic II. The cuff had a serious problem where it would lock into a forward position. Had to replace them with seba cuffs.
I got these blades. I love them
I just got myself some aeon basic xxi.. Its been almost 20 yrs since i got on some.. Got my kids some skates too and took them to the park today. I built up the courage to hit a mizzou on a ledge. Love the vids, hopefully you'll be able to get out and skate soon
As a gen x kid 20 years after giving up rollerblading ive decided to get another pair. In part because of your review ive decided to get these skates. Delivery later today. Excited. Hopefully i dont injure myself too bad. Lol
best use of slow motion in a skate edit goes to ricardo lino. not too much and just right. great edit.
Ordered my aeons and I’ll be giving them a run shortly after I get them. Looking forward to it
Did you do a review on the soul plates? I just bought a set, don’t know how to install them. Do I need to drill?
I have the Aeon 80s and love them. You’ve talked me into getting these skates as well! Thanks!
I might have to take a pair for myself!!! Very tempting 🤔
Having. Shop ain’t easy in that sense sometime hehehe.. but they are sooooo good. Honestly.. I never though the cuff would make this much of. Difference..I used to like them...
@@RicardoLino haha yeah man it’s hard to justify taking them off the shelf but I’m very intrigued by the cuff I have to admit!!
Gotta get a boss like mine.. she realized how important it is to order one extra “for marketing reasons” or “R&D” 😂
@@RicardoLino haha 😂 you should have seen me trying to justify taking a pair of the Danny Beers!!!!
Agreed on the too short power strap. I got some along with my 2020 basics, but prefer the lace hooks as you can adjust them finer & tighter.
great review man, getting back to skating after 15 years or so, super helpful, and your channel in general, got a sub from me, thanks again!
Great video ! I love the aeons I have the basic 2 and they are great skates. I’ve just recently started having bad inner right ankle pain , have been trying everything to fix this with not much luck . Yesterday I put some old gen 2 cuffs I had on them and pain pretty much disappeared. So I’m hoping they start just selling the cuff so I can try it out .
Could you explain me in detail?
I have the same problem and am very disappointed. thanks
Can you put 80mm wheels on agressive skates? I really like the style boots they have, but would like to have bigger wheel for being on the street an rougher roads. I usually RB on side walks but do have to hit street sometimes.
You have to put frames that allow 80mm as most aggressive skates fit up to 62mm standard
im 39 and i started skateboarding at 19. i have quited skateboarding several years ago(my last kickflip was almost 5 years ago) since i got my first kid. Now she is 5 and interested in blading(inline skating)
Now im thinking about begining aggressive skating so that i would be able to enjoy skating with her.
Probably I would enjoy both words.
Am i strange or crazy?😂 Btw thnks for video and Aeon 60 will be my next one if i start
How can that be strange or crazy?
Haha! Right on Lino.. repping the Lou baby! That St. Louis love! Yeaya!!! True walking from the Eastside is a bold move.. I heard the song, haha. --Thanks for the review. I was literally just looking at the skates online and searched for a review and bam.. you had it covered!
Coming back to skating for the second time. Looking all over for USD Aeons but sold out everywhere!
Bro I love your videos, you got me back into skating after 10 years. Been practicing on an old pair of cult 4s but just ordered the new Sam Croft aeons. Was wondering if you were going to be doing a review soon!?
Hi, Ricardo Lino...nice army shirt..Serbian army...i have also USD Classic Throne..USD rule :D greatings from Serbia/Europe
Man I'm so jealous I love watching you skate small wheel aggressive skates you'd style is awesome!!
Great skating and great review as always, Lino! How do the Undercover Alu Cores compare to the Famus wheels? I would love to see a comparison review between the two! Very curious about that! Cheers and Keep up the amazing work! Grande abraço!
Have both Famus are faster and UC is harder
i hate the two sided velcro. It comes apart at the short end when you put too much pressure. I'd much rather see ratchet straps for the 45 degree straps.
Hey great vid, got some on order so can’t wait to skate them! What are the soul plates you mentioned coming out of Australia? I know there’s the Slicq ones out the UK which look really good, but would be keen to know about ones that are a bit closer to New Zealand, shipping from the other side of the world is taking ages right now! Cheers
Great insights and that t shirt 🤣
Everybody I have seen on RUclips so far mispronounces "Aeon" the correct pronunciation is e-on. Thanks for a great review!
Soulplate issue: Why Ps don't try some same solution like the old K2 pro series skates with ceramic (or something similar) layer into the soulplate ?
1 would love that. But that would either need mold changes or extra step on manufacturing.. which in my opinion would make sense...
I believe the investment on the aeons must be doing great and sooner or later they will need to do something about it 😉👊🏻
Of course. I bought the basic's last year because I didn't want the white. Now the soft top comes out in black.
Soft top?
Thanks Ricardo , just ordered myself a pair
Ok you talked me into it, i haven’t skated since 01-02... just purchased a pair last night after watching this. Let’s see if I still got it 🤣🙏
How are they, I also haven't skated in a very long time, am tempted to get some new skates at get out there
Ditto. Im 43 now. Lol
I wish they sponsored Josh Letona the Best Street Sk8er in the USA.
make rewiew for some boots for wizardframe pls.
I wanna see you on the 72 aeons!
Turning 36 soon and looking for my first pair of skates since the 2002! I have only ever owned Roces. What would be a good skate to buy so that I can re-boot this old hobby?!
Omg,i really want these,but i already bought razors sl which im not proud of.
Still a good skate
Hey @Ricardo Lino what do you think of the solos brother thinking about jumping on a pair of solo troopers I found
These are more money then I'd like to be spending but I keep coming back to them. How would you compare these to the fifth elements?
Ricardo. What's up. Brazil here.
Do you wich bearings comes with?? Abec-7 or Abec-9?? Some differents websites are confusing this. Locoskates says is Abec-7, bladeville says is Abec-9, inlinewarehouse says is Abec-9, wtf. Can you help me my friend??
Great bro! after more than 20 years im looking to bring the skills again! Love those to make it happen and love your channel as well! Can i ask you how their doing? and if theres something new on the market? im completely lost now. Best!
Great video! I was wondering how reign v3s compare to these new skinny boys?
Hell yeah ive been saying UFS limits skate design since it first rolled around, finally!
I've actually been interested in buying some USD Aeon skates for a while, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts on their new version when the video goes like in 15m :)
Have you ordered them yet 😄?
@@RicardoLino Nope, I'm broke! Will take a while :')
@@zenviel So did you ?
Fair play mate some good skate grinds
I have to get these!!!
sick tricks and great info!
Thank you Sir! Whats your recommendation SKATE would be for urban riding (city, time to time parks)?
Hi Ricardo, thanks a lot for another awesome video! Have you got those souls you mentioned? Got pair of aeons and quite like them, but yes souls are so slow so would be good to see the options and your trusted option on them;) Thanks mate!
isnt it just modified xsjado 2.0 cuff basically? It looks like they tweaked the mould for it but not properly hence the gap at the back... powerslide are such a let down compared to other companies 👎😂
Damn you just sold me on the cuffs! If only they were for sale separate rn!
What's the difference between 72 and 61 you have?
Well you just said it...
Nice updates for the good skates.
Im gonna stick to my old aeons 80. Two improvements i want for them - more liner material in the front to protect my toes (did it diy) and soft top like on this team shells.
Anyway - they are dope freeskates 👍
Could you review the new USD Aeon sam Crofts? 🤙🏼
I have the Aeon basics and I love them but because my feet are a little wide, after about an hour of skating I get pain and eventually numbness from the outside bone below my pinky toe and ball of my foot up to my toes....is that because of the liner? It gets so bad that I eventually have to take my skates off to feel better. Any advice would be appreciated, mahalo from Hawaii 🤙🏾
Edit: it’s like a squeezing pain/feeling. As if you were to grab my foot width wise and just squeeze hard
I bought the Aeon Basic 60 XXI and had the same issue. The solution is don’t tighten the laces too much on the toe bridge area, after 3 or 4 eyelets tighten up and the numbness disappears. I try Aeons 3 times on the local store and the last time I told the employee not to tighten them up. He doesn’t understand the struggle of big foot with wide feet. I wear size 46 and the width is 11.2cm or 4.4 inches.
Thanks for the tip @pjsanab
Since that's super long rant I think I just spent one hour typing out by hand on my phone, what's it cost to gear up from scratch for mid then higher skilledstuff ideally competitive, once I get my feel back if it's gone...but doubt it, dream about skating still 17 years since a skate park trip at 15 y/o. Repressed desires erupting but broke as you can get but lucky not many bills to weigh me down.
Wondering what a full gear out skates, helmet, pads, dunno if there's anything new added to add more options to add on, but on a budget... help!
Where to buy from is a major one. Amazing dicks sporting goods had like 5 pairs of the ones my mom had metal ones of with the 2x2 setup. Really...but no archery stuff anymore either, go figure.
I still don't understand how the PU leather should make the toe box less narrow, since the mold ist still the same?
Thanks for the great content. Who is the the Australian manufacturer of the soul grind plates.
I skate my old aeons with Razors cuff 🙄 maybe a time for upgrade 🙄
Do you know if the new cuff is compatible with the old aeon? I just ordered the new cuff and a man is telling me that is not compatible 😬
I didn't like the huge plastic on the cuff's buckle and just cut it off. not sure why it was needed
Are you talking about the over lap of the plastic that happens at the front when you do the buckle up?
I always used to find it catch on skates and jam and only learned recently they actually come with scored lines in them ready to be cut down to your preferred size. Pretty handy little detail.
really want to buy a pair of they, but my feet are 26,5 cm ( without socks ) and afraid they would be to tight in 41/42 and i know from my past experience with the thrones that the 43-44 shell, even with a 43 liner are to big, i hate to be in between the size on shells. 42 trigger fit me real well, because they share the same shell with the 43. No shops near to me to try the Aeons 😒
Hello, Ricardo. Could you tell me who is better skate? This USD Aeon 60 XXI or the new model shift razor jeph howard?
My Buddy just bought me these blades as a gift he is a good friend to do that! I got them today and tried them on, let's just say they are snug (well the liner is), I wear a size 12 Shoe and I got the 11-11.5 size. My toe is really tight up to the end of the liner and it is tight also on the top and the sides. Would you recommend me to return them and get another size bigger?. Also I have wide feet, I found out that the USD Aeon Wii 2021 do not come in larger size than the ones I got.
I think I'm sold! But I wonder how the new carlos b2's are??
I bought theese and THE right foot is perfect, but My left ankle keeps hurting. Anyone got any cure for this?
x2 Help
Hi Ricardo! I’m a subscriber and love your content. I need your help finding where to BUY these skates. I’m a US 12 and have searched everywhere. Where can I buy these where it’s safe / not a scam/ can ship to US?
PS: I recently started skating again for the first time in 20 years, thanks largely in part to your channel! Keep up the great content!
let me guess they still havent made them Wide boots for wide footed people lol
You know the score, the mold has been made, it will never change and be used for the next few decades 😁
Can you help, i am considering purchasing a used aeon 72mm bought in 2020 , the liner has not yet been molded either. But i think the boot is obviously older than this new design. I’m coming from a Salomon recreational with a little ice skating experience. Do you think i will notice the 2020 version pro/con vs this new pair ?
Hi hi. Not at all. You won’t notice a difference
I like the new cuff more but not even all 2021 aeons come with new cuff ;)
You wil be good
How do the Undercover Alu Cores compare to the Famus wheels? I would love to see a comparison review between the two!
Have both Famus are faster and UC is harder
im sold, might aswell join in on the USD pleasure degeneracy instead of being indecisive on what skates i like the most.....................................
I have a question. I haven't skated in about 20 years, fof transparency. When you show the skates, I see no grind plates. Are they not a thing anymore? I'm thinking of buying skates for exercise, and I recall having metal grind plates for when I used to go to slide on rails.
Also remember having smaller inner wheels to help with surface area. Is that still a thing? 😅
Also, are the wheels/bearings good on the stock setting? Or do you recommend I order new wheels and/or bearinfs when I order a pair?
love u
:)
Linooo the code to the shop doesn't work 😞
I have the same problem 😢
Sorry guys. I have contacted them already. In order to make it work again.
Sorry
@@RicardoLino thank you for your availability 🙏🏼
Yo! Where’d you find those rollerblade solos? I’d love to get my hands on a pair of those!
Hi,
I am really interested in those. But shops close by haven't my size and they said they don't know when they are getting new stock.
But one of them said it has been discontinued. Do you know if it is true?
Thanks
Se possível faz em português Ricardo por favor. Fala desse novo cuff também. Abraços.😁😁😁😁👏👏👏👏👏
I’m planning to get the aeon 72 xxi but I am not sure what size to get. 39-40eu and 41-42eu, my feet measure 256mm right at 40eu so I don’t know if I should a size just right or a bigger size. Can you comment on this? Thanks
Hello Ricardo Lino, do aeons fit like usd sway? Or should they all be the same length for their sizing? Like 7/7.5 sway the length of aeons 7/7.5
I think they have different shell sizing.. but I use size 43 on both .
They updated the sizing chart but not the shell itself. The shell break is 7-8 (41-42)
@@that_which_is_not i seen on a website the shell sizing was 7/7.5 a 39/40 eu and 8/9 40/41 eu where did you find your size chart?
@@karmiccredit5875 the old chart said eu 41/42 was a UK 6.5/7. On the new skates, the recent aeon basic chart shows it as 41/42 UK 7-8. I recently bought a pinowski shell from Hedonskate, it was labelled as the old sizing but fits me perfectly. My left foot is a 42 (uk 8) and my right foot is a 42.5 (uk 8.5). The shell fits with a reign V2 liner in it. After being on the wrong side of a lot of shell breaks for a long time, I can confidently say anything they are labelling as a 41/42 is deffo exactly that. The length fits like any other uk 8 shell I’ve had. The toe box isn’t very tall which has the effect of making the skate feel snug, with such a slim foot that works out really well for me. Hope that helps
@@karmiccredit5875 and yeah, it’s size chart bingo out there 😂 I had a mate who is a Uk 8 when i was worried about ordering the shell when it was labelled 6.5/7 uk. Luckily we have similar sized feet and he said it would fit as he was in that shell size
Can you get this new cuff for the old hard boot?
Hi, iam looking to buy these Skates but my feet has different sizes! Left is 28,4 and right foot is 27,2. What size would you recommend, 10-10,5 or 11-12 ?? Iam actually would go with 11-12 but the skates get a liddle wider over time and my bigger foot could be compressed a little too because its a skin transplant that makes the foot longer. Iam a little concerned about the maybe loose fit on the smaler foot...
Ricardo, tudo bem? Sou thiego do Brasil. Esse patins é abec 7 ou 9 ?? Você vê muita diferença entre esse modelo X modelo básico sem strap de 45* ? Ou X modelo Lomax verde? Estou indeciso entre os 3 modelos = basic 60mm X Lomax verde X team XXI
What the heck is the difference between these?
USD Aeon 60 Basic 2021
USD Aeon 60 XXI
USD Aeon 60 XXI 2021
So I have thick calves and thighs I’m not even fat I’m just thick in that area😂😂 what pants would you guys recommend? I’ve been trying to find some over sized pants but they are so hard to find I’m thinking of skating shorts with one shin guard on my soul leg
Anyone reccomend a good camera to record skating in 2021? (Other then a phone 😅)
Is the rollerblade solo also a good skates for wide feet?
Does the softtop have more flex than the standard shell?
No
Hi, I'm from Brazil.
rollerblade blank SK or USD Aeon (xxi 60 2021) which is better ?
Both great. But Usd is much lighter
I'm new to skating thinking of getting a pair could you say what the difference between these and the USD Aeon 60 Nick Lomax Pro as it looks the same just different price and colour /color
I believe this one is Abec-9 and the cuff has a soft material. Also the wheels has a better quality. Lomax is Abec-7, different liner (good one too) and the wheels are very good but not comparable to undercover.
Any pressure points from the rivets?
Hi,
I'm looking around for aeon 60. And I'm wondering if you can tell the differences between Team 60 xxi and the Bladies?
I looked it on websites and can see apart from the color.
Thanks
The cuffs, wheels and lacing area being softer are the main differences. The XXI comes with the new cuff and Undercover Apex wheels(aluminum core) and the softer material where the laces tighten on the shell
@@AlmostLakai94 Thanks a lot.
Now the main question is if the price (almost 100 euros) is worth it!!!
@@guilhermeoliveirabalestro6493 I'd suggest looking up reviews on the wheels to help with that choice. That'd be the main selling point for me since the new cuffs aren't too expensive if you ended up needing to replace them. The Bladies color is super nice though and I was stuck between those and the Green Lomax pair 😂
@@AlmostLakai94 yeah the color is really cool
@@AlmostLakai94 also...it looks to me you really know about skates.
If you don't mind me asking, I had trouble finding my size and now I'm stuck between the Bladies and Trigger Rainbow Beat schillmeier. What you think?
Or actually...any other recommendations around this price tag or cheaper?!?
Cheers mate
Do the aeon 60 run small I wear a size 9 9.5 in u.s shoes what size would you recommend getting
I'm a 11 us and ran the 10-10.5 shell fine, so I'd say get the 9 shell, worse case you'll need to take the plastic insert out from under the liner, the liners have a full neoprene toebox so they stretch to the larger size. If in doubt order them based on your EU size as that's more accurate