6.8 Western. Let's talk.
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- The 6.8 Western is an excellent new cartridge from Browning and Winchester. But does it stack up against the .270 Winchester, .27 Nosler, .270 Weatherby Magnum, and the .270 WSM? In this video, we'll investigate.
Only vote after you've watched the whole video, please. The poll is the top post on my RUclips community page. Vote here: / backfire
0:00 Start
0:51 Cartridge Wars Standings
1:25 Understanding the 6.8 Western
2:06 Ballistics compared
5:46 270 WSM vs 6.8 Western
9:35 27 Nosler vs 6.8 Western
12:24 270 Weatherby vs 6.8 Western
14:30 270 Winchester vs 6.8 Western 
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6.8Western is a 270WSM that went back to school.
The Billy Madison if you will
I'd say more like a .270 Win reimagined. With 27 Nosler on the market, I'd say that is more of the WSM back to school.
@messenger ministries well, this one's not for you, I'm sure yours kills things dead. This one does too. I'm currently fancying the. 277 fury if I ever can find a box of it.
Yes just a faster twist so don’t really see the point everyone should shoot 6.5 so I’ve got more projectiles for 270 wsm😎😎
270wsm is superior. Swap the barrel to a hart, bartlein, Lilja, shaw, brux, shilen. In 1:8 twist and you have better performance than the 6.8 out of the 270wsm. If you're a handloader, all you need to do is buy your heavier bullets and you're good to go. With that being said, my choice would be the 270 weatherby with a 1:8 twist.
As one that owns both a 270 Winchester and a 6.8 Western, hands down the 6.8 Western is the winner. I shot my 6.8 Western this week at 1000 yards with the 175 Sierra, a siter and 5 shots in a 14” group with a 15 mph wind. Just remarkable. My 270 with 150 grain bullet, would be more like a 30” group. And the 270 can’t even shoot a 175 gr bullet. I love my 270, but we need to be honest here. For accuracy, killing power and efficiency the 6.8 Western is the hands down winner. It does not mean we can’t love our 270 Winchester(s).
Perfect response. It’s really that simple. Heavier more accurate bullets case closed.
Your .270 Winchester could shoot the 175 grain bullet if you had the twist rate right for your barrel. It just would not have the same velocity. They won't do that with factory ammunition though because people would either blow up their old chamberings or complain about the bullet shooting like crap because it's not stabilized.
@@WilliamKister Correct, a 270 Winchester with a barrel with a twist rate of 8 could easily shoot the Sierra 175 TGK bullets. Shell casing of a 270 Winchester does not hold as much powder as a 6.8 Western so yes, less velocity. But powders like H4831sc take less volume compared to H4831, and maybe compress a little … I think one could get 3000 fps or over. I know, we could come up with a new Cartridge and call it a “270 Winchester Western”. Make 270s with a twist rate of 8. 😀
@@jw3946 I would guess more like a velocity of 2700-2800 fps. Still would be a good performer with the BC
@@WilliamKister I agree, the 175 in a rebarreled 270 Winchester, velocities may be lower, but would still be an excellent shooter. It would bring this cartridge to a higher level.
.270 tried and true. And availability and rifle options is huge.
"Tried and true" is a pretty silly comment when it comes to ballistics. Not like they re designed an action or the bullet itself all they are doing is throwing it faster and more accurately. And availability can't be mentioned when one is 1 year old and the other is 100 years old. Give it time.
Awesome video series! This is by far the best firearms related series on RUclips right now. Keep the videos coming!
I’ve been a .270 guy for a long time and appreciate what the cartridge offers on versatility. However, I voted 6.8 because the Backfire channel needs a 6.8 vs 280 AI video. I can’t think of a video that I would be more interested in than that.
During cartridge wars, the 270 won, but I would like to see a demographics of where the votes came from. I would guess that hunters from the West would have more votes for the 6.8 and the Midwest and Eastern United States would favor the 270. I love the 270 and I live in the West, but for one gun only I would tend to want a shorter case and a heavier bullet. I think the new twist gives the 27 Caliber the edge to the 6.8 Western. However I speak as won who owns 2 different 270's and no 6.8's. The more I learn about the 6.8 the more I move that to the top on my "next gun to have list". Great Video, thanks for sharing. Keep it up.
270 Weatherby owner here. You're spot on on your assessment. You are locked into reloading this cartridge, Mark V action is bulletproof but weighs a ton, ballistically not special. I just personally love Weatherbys. Beautiful and accurate. That's the only reason I use it.
I totally agree! Not sure where the data came from but the 270 Weatherby beats the WSM by at least 100 fps all day long.
@@jonbaniak9097 Yep, I get 3300 fps out of 140g out of my 26" tube...much faster than what the comparison illustrates.
I'm getting a Weatherby for all of those reasons but I'm getting it in 6.5 creedmoor lol
Me too. I love my 270 bee with 1 in 8 twist barrel. I am handloading 170 Bergers to 3050 FPS and the 165 ABLR at 3100 fps. But I really like the 156 gr Hammer hunters right at 3200 fps.
I may be biased because I hunt with a .270, but I had to pick it over the 6.8 because I think it’s a huge deal being able to buy the rifle you want. In the future I may pick 6.8 western if it were to get the same level of support.
I think your statement about if these two cartridges were produced at the time which would be better. Just because the .270 Winchester has more "support" doesn't mean it is a better cartridge. Great video!
I agree, facts should determine your winner. Just because the 270 Winchester is popular does not mean it is a better cartridge. You need not be let your decision be made by popularly. Just the facts …. Just the facts.
I’m biased here as I own a 270 Win and absolutely love it. I will admit, however, the 6.8 is sexy. It’s been nice seeing the .277’s get some attention recently.
Jim, your numbers for the 270 Win are pretty watered down. The vast majority of factory loadings are 3,050 fps out of a 24” bbl. Also, when the 270 was introduced in the 1920’s, 130 gr. loads had a velocity of 3,150 fps. The bullets at the time weren’t designed for that kind of velocity and would come apart when hitting game. The 270 quickly developed a reputation as a meat destroyer and factory ammunition was subsequently down loaded to 3,050 fps. For the hand loader, with today’s bullets and powders, you can get 130 gr. bullets to approach the 3,300 fps mark.
All that said, I will look past all the negatives surrounding it being a brand new cartridge and vote for the 6.8 Western.
Honestly when the Mauser action was typical the Winchester 270 was loaded so much hotter than now that these high BC bullet's come out. I want to see a 1950's load with 160 grain bullets. 3300 or 3200 seem easy to hit.
All of his ballistics choices are watered down. Its laughable that he bemoans the marketing hype of Winchester/Browning as being bad, yet then does the exact same thing.
I got one in a browning xbolt and I have been finding ammo everywhere so I have been stalking up every payday I actually like it alot and I have seen more 6.8 than any of those other rounds
I love this caliber. My 6.8 western shoots the 175 Browning long range factory ammo at sub-moa consistently. Last 5 shot group measured .51 at 100 yards. A 175 grain Elk bullet shooting half inch 5 shot groups is amazing to me. Tight groups and hits hard... couldn't be happier with my purchase.
Mine love the 175 too! I love my purchase too bro
What rifle did you get?
I bought the Hells canyon speed. It is my first Browning and I am amazed by it.
If I didn't already own a 270. I would buy a 6.8. The fact they offer higher bullet weight with the bc technology is amazing on a 27 caliber platform. It's powerful enough to do the job at any ETHICAL range without needing suppressor or muzzle break because the recoil is so manageable. Possibly the winner of the whole war between these 2.
I mean, you could put a 9 or 8 twist barrel on your .270 win and knock yourself out.
I say this is America and if you want both buy both. You know we love guns and dogs as much as anything else we have 😀
@@boredboiseboy a fast twist 270 has no factory support and reamers and magazines aren’t automatically kind to a long 270. 6.8 really does offer solutions to people who don’t love hand loading or rebarreling.
About 6 months ago Browning just introduced the .270 Winchester with a 7 1/2 Twist Rate in their XBolt LR. Haven't seen many reviews yet how well this helps the .270 Winchester @jcarry5214
@@jcarry5214 Hay Jimmy you can lengthen the throat on any chamber with an inexpensive remer to shoot long bullets !…..
Great video. I really enjoyed the comparisons this time. Thanks for continuing to put out great content.
Thank you for your analysis! I’ve been very curious about the 6.8 western!
Thanks for the video man some good insite for sure.my vote out of all these would be the 270 wsm I own a 270 win and a 270 wsm and I just happen to like the 270 wsm better I like the little bit more velocity for more foot pounds of energy and little bit more range also like the short action as well.and if you buy a rifle either with a 1/7.5 or 1/8 twist rate barrel or have a custom barrel put on your rifle with these twist rates and chamber it in 270 wsm it will beat the heck out of a 6.8 western.dont get me wrong ill end up with a 6.8 western but it to me isn't as great as what they make it out to be but that gos back to me being a hand loader as well I can make a 270 wsm out do a 6.8 western any day. Also I am planning to build a 27 nosler as well but that's later down the road.thanks again
Personally I'm a big fan of the .270, my great grandpa carried a Remington 721 in 270 that he called "meat in the pot" and for good reason. But alas times are changing technology has allowed for newer more efficient round and I think that we should embrace the change. I would love to build an ultralight 6.8 western as a do all hunting rifle. The fact that you can run 165gr accubonds out of a mild recoiling short action sounds like a good mix to me! 270 will always hold a place in my heart but 6.8 western is my all around pick.
Why? because your a bit too much on the sensitive side?
@@jerseycasull4546 not sure what you're getting at frankly. Not sure what about this comment puts me on the sensitive side
@jerseycasull4546 Why even make this kind of comment?
While my Father (84 yo) has two 270's, I am more of a 270WSM guy, having two a Weatherby SUB-MOA and a newer Tikka Tx3 Lite (purchased after your review best rifle under $750 shootout and your regular review, with a custom (Preferred) 1-8 twist barrel. The only problem I have with this shootout is I feel the final head to head should have been the 270WSM - 6.8 Western. The WSM smokes the 270 , 150gr bullet in the WSM gets you an additional 8" less drop and almost 300 ft.-lb. energy at 500 yards, just saying. With all of that said if I was starting over (and could find a gun and ammo "because I live in corruptifornia") I would go 6.8 Western (WSM has been around for almost 20 years so the 6.8 has some catching up to do). Best channel on RUclips.
Glad you’ve finally done a 6.8 Western video!
Im still amazed at just how good the .270 Win was/is when it was developed 100 years ago!! I think the fact that we are just barely able to improve upon it with the very best technology of today, pretty much speaks for itself.
I truly love this series of videos you put out. These comparisons are perfect. Love the side by side numbers and explanations behind all of them. Very cool. I was really leaning towards my next gun being either 6.5 PRC or 270 WSM but after these videos I believe I am leaning heavily towards 6.8 western. Really hope it’s not another fad. Only time will tell. My vote goes to 6.8 western.
6.8 western would be my choice. More versatile in terms of bullet weights than 270 and 270 wsm. The weatherby and nosler are too much recoil for me. I also think the short stubby round will perform better with a suppressor.
Right now it’s my choice too since I have both
The shape of the cartridge case has nothing to do with the performance of a suppressor !
I love the .270 WSM, so I vote for the new one. 🗳 for 6.8 Western
The last vanity cartridge I bought was a 7 mm WSM in the early ought. It has been a great rifle and and very accurate. I’m hesitant to buy another new cartridge as it is extremely difficult to find 7mm WSM ammo. Unicorns are more prevalent right now. However, the 6.8 Western sounds very promising and looks like it could take over the position of my 7mm WSM. A cartridge for deer as well as bear and elk. The 6.8 gets my vote.
I would give it too the 6.8. I hunt with a .270 Winchester. (Remington 7600 pump rifle.) my next rifle purchase will be a 6.8! For me it is a .270 that hits hard with a heavy bullet. Great video!
The '270 Magnum' will be with us for some time due to the ability to shoot heavier grain bullets due to the barrel twist.
270WSM should be more popular it’s an awesome cartridge, I use mine for coyote’s, hogs, deer and elk it is a devastating cartridge never had any animal go past 20 yards.
Probably a nice shooting gun not too bad a kick
@@bmws1krr179 it recoils about like a heavy 308 load
I have always thought that also a very good balance between recoil and power, flat shooting, the whole package.
At 20 yards, a 22LR would be pretty deadly. ;-)
Got a 270 wsm 7mm wsm and 300wsm and love them . Wish ammo was more available for them.
I own a 6.8 western, as well as .270 win and .270 wby. I shoot all three regularly. Objectively the 6.8 is a better cartridge. The factory offerings deliver more energy on target with 6.8. my 6.8 recoils lighter than either of the other two guns (it has a factory muzzle brake and is heavier than the other two guns). As a reloader, you can load 6.8 with all the light offerings that the other .270s shoot and push them just as fast or faster. And you can also push way heavier bullets than any of the others are capable of stabilizing. The .270 win pushes a 150 grainer slower than a 6.8 is pushing a 175. The wby is pushing 150s 3000-3100ish fps. 6.8 can match that with the 150s, but can also shoot the heavier stuff I'm unable to load for the wby. In a hunting situation the 6.8 wins with more energy on target than either of the others. In a long range shooting situation the 6.8 wins, having the ability to shoot high bc bullets. From a recoil perspective .270 win would win if the 6.8 didn't have a brake, but I suspect without the brake the difference would still be negligible, and with the brake it's just sweet to shoot. When it comes to barrel life, .270 win is going to get you several hundred more rounds, but is a few hundred more rounds worth all that you are giving up? I would also argue that at the moment .270 win's popularity is actually a downfall because I haven't seen any ammo for it on the shelf in a very long time in my neck of the woods but I can go pick up a box of 6.8 any time, it's always on the shelf. The only downside to the 6.8 at this time is the limited options in rifles. You've got winchester and browning. But boy does my browning shoot. With factory browning ammo with the 175gr Sierras it's regularly shooting under half inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards. It's almost disappointing because it doesn't leave me a lot of room to improve with handloads lol. So the only reason the .270 win is even in this conversation is because it has a die hard fan base, and I get it, I own one, I love the cartridge. But it's getting long in the tooth and it's age is definitely showing. 6.8 western is just a harder hitting, faster and flatter shooting, better long range performing cartridge for almost no trade off in recoil and barrel life. It's way more versatile being able to shoot any bullet weight the .270 win can shoot, and much more that it can't. And it will push those bullets faster. Also for me, .270 win is great for deer sized game. But when I go elk hunting I want something with a little more punch than the 270 win is capable of. I also don't want something that is going to obliterate the animal and ruin a bunch of meat, which is why I retired my .300 win mag for elk hunting and stepped into a 6.8 western. I am very pleased with the results. I took an elk this year with 6.8 and suffered far less meat damage. The purpose of this cartridge war series is to objectively identify the best all around, do it all, cartridge. Objectively the 6.8 western outperforms the 270 Winchester in just about every way and therefore the 270 win shouldnt move forward . That's not to diminish the 270 win, it has a loyal following for a reason, it's great! But the 6.8 can do it all, and do it better. The win has to go to the 6.8 western. I think the 6.8 western and the 7mm rem mag are going to be (or should be) the contenders to win this competition because of their relatively light recoil, down range energy, long range performance, ability to shoot high bc bullets, versatile range of bullet weights and applications, good barrel life, ammo availability, reloading potential, etc. I think with a slight edge to the 7 rem mag depending on what attributes you value over others. It will be interesting to see how this series progresses
Favorite cartridge ever is 270wsm granted I haven't tried the 6.8 or the nosler, but I've used WSM for 15 years and never been disappointed
Sounds like a vote for the Western then :-) It's basically just a slight update to that cartridge.
Oh, @backfire , glad you finally decided to try an xpr. My .308 xpr shoots just as well, with a better action IMO than either my Savage axis 6.5 or Weatherby vanguard 300 wby. With better trigger too. (All shoot sub moa)
I've been shooting a .270 for 40 years so I'll stick with my reliable..270
good job with cartridge comparisons..I've been reloading for 55 years and your info is correct.. Keep the data coming. More ballistic gel tests with hunting bullets is appreciated.
The nod has to go to the 6.8 Western, and that's from me, a guy who loves his .270 Win. The extended range and heavier bullets of the 6.8 beat the ever so slightly less recoil of the .270. I agree that it beats the others in the family as well. Great video. I like the controlled experiments and arguments you bring. Fairness = Trust.
6.8 Western is by far the better cartiage. I think it's funny how sentimental people are about their favorite old cartiages. Not saying the .270 isn't a great cartiage, it's just that the 6.8 Western (and alot of other newer rounds) will do everything that matters better and more efficiently.
270 Win is a great cartridge, as a reloader I would have to go for the 6.8 Western though
.270 Win for the win. Not because I just bought one a few days ago but because I just bought one a few days ago and not a 6.8 western due to ammo availability and gun choices.
As many have stated, the .270WIN for the WIN! It will already out perform 90% of Shooters and Hunters abilities, that being said it is far more readily available, much cheaper to reload for (Much more plentiful/cheaper brass & less powder), less recoil, longer barrel life( for more practicing accuracy or working on load development) However, I'm a man of Extremes.. So if you feel undergunned with the Ole` .270WIN, Start handloading and get a 27 Nosler!
Well stated! Brass for the 270Win can be made from any 06 based case, so availability becomes almost the biggest factor between these 2 cartridges. Ethical hunting ranges in my mind becomes the second most important and the 270Win does anything inside those ranges with aplomb when a properly selected bullet is placed where it should be. You stated more availability equals more practice and cheaper to load for and shoot, absolutely this is true! If people have ammo at their disposal, they will practice more, plain and simple. Though I like seeing new cartridges developed and our shooting sports moving forward and evolving, sometimes the old cartridges just can't be beat and will forever have a legitimate, well deserved place on the store shelves. JMHO.
I gotta be honest, this video series is the first time I’ve ever even heard of 6.8 Western. Never seen ammo for it before in stores or online. Your report that it’s all over the shelves is surprising. Granted, I don’t have a Sportsman’s Warehouse (regrettably) here and it looks like that’s what your picture is of
and those prices
I’d choose 6.8 western for its edge on pairing with high BC bullets. I feel like .270 might win based on the fan base that .270 has. Not many 6.8 owners out there yet but I look forward to being one.
7 SAUM or 7 WSM crushes it from the same rifle and cartridge profile. It just doesn't offer any performance advantage that I can see.
That's the only reason the 270 "won". I own both and I love the 270, but the 6.8 does everything the 270 does and MORE.
I shot my first deer 3 weeks ago with a 6.8 Western. Phenomenal caliber! Also love the Browning X-bolt!!!
Not sure why you picked a handicapped load for the 270 win. Standard loading is a 130 at 3060 fps and it's not uncommon to see it at 3100 and change.
I was thinking the same thing. I’m running 150’s faster than he gave 130’s credit for. Reloader 26 is magic with 150’s in a 270 and 3000 FPS is very achievable.
I think you nailed this. Very professional review. For me I have owned and used the 270W for 40 years and am happy, but if I had to buy new now, with both available, maybe I would choose the 6.8 Westerner. Have to have a think about what I will vote for. Cheers
Most people are not happy unless they have what they see as, "the best" in their minds. This reminds me of guys arguing over 4140 vs cannon grade steel for barrels when 99.8% of guys will never shoot enough to wear out either option.
I have a couple 270s and have used them for years and killed most of my animals with them. However, I am now buying 6.8 western ammo and looking for a browning xbolt in the 6.8 which is difficult. My reasoning for going with the 6.8 is I am shooting the same diameter bullet as a 270 but I get more velocity and foot pounds of energy plus a heavier grain bullet. I too believe the 6.8 is here to stay and will take off.
So 6.8 gets my vote even though I have a die hard love for the 270.
Why not just get a 300 win mag ?
I’d buy a 6.8 western if I didn’t already own a .270 win.
Not enough difference to replace my .270 since I only shoot mine to 400 yards with my longest kill ever only 267 yards.
I guess I’m just old school, but I’m not giving up my .270. I load up a 140 grain Hornady SST bullet, with H4831, and send it at over 3000 FPS. Plenty enough energy for what I’m trying to put in the freezer.
Good presentation. I have been interested in this one since it came out.
Love the channel. Literally the only thing manufacturers have agreed on is to not make 270win with a faster twist that 1:10, if they did, there would be no need for things like 308, the creedmoors, PRCs, etc. 270win would wipe the floor with most and hang with the rest if anyone would put in any effort into building rifles that are more than just a deer gun for 270win. Short action has no practical advantages, no one out there is short stroking their 270 because it’s a long action, get real Chad.
Really good Info, and the 6.8 Western has it for me due to future bullet options.
How the 300 win mag didn't make the bracket is beyond me
As the bracket shows...even the 3006 was defeated by a short magnum. I have a feeling individuals voting are like people that voted in the last election. Mixed up and altered by the computer.
@@approachingtarget.4503 much agreed
The 270 is a great cartridge it was my dads favourite cartridge and it was the first “high powered” cartridge I ever shot. But it dose have its limitations, from a hand loaders perspective the 270 wsm and the 6.8 western are both able to achieve fast speeds with less powder because of the more efficient short case. Along with the a much larger projectile selection. 6.8 western is my call
I see your point, but what was not discussed in detail was the versatility of the 270win (varmint up to elk). Not really sure where the 6.8 fits, Based on what you said why not just get a 7MM Mag...(even better 280AI)? I think between these 2 I would have to stick with 270win.
I’m not a 6.8/27 cal guy so in many ways I have no dog in the fight. But the reason why the 270 even exists and is still relevant is because of that low recoil compared to the 30-06 & it’s effectiveness inside 300yds on deer sized game. All other things equal a 270 will have less recoil than the other cartridges simply because it doesn’t have as much powder or as heavy of a projectile. Add in the benefits mentioned of a lighter weight rifle and the recoil impulse scale tips further in the favor of the older cartridge.
Last, virtually all deer hunters are over gunned for their quarry. We keep stretching the limits of what the average hunter can accomplish with their limited shooting experience and skill. Deer and even elk are not armor plated. So using a higher recoiling, more expensive rifle, with less options, that most people can’t afford to shoot enough to benefit from the added performance, so now gonna shoot it poorly because of all that.
270 for the win.
@@stratop3686 because grain for grain the 270 will have a higher bc and sectional density than the 7mm which means it will beat the 7mm with less.
@@soonerfrac4611 you know 6.8 is just as cheap to shoot as 270 yes?
"able to achieve fast speeds with less powder because of the more efficient short case."
This is false.
I own two rifles in .270 and it’s my all time favorite cartridge. I have to say, I’m intrigued by the 6.8 Western but… I haven’t seen any 6.8 ammo or rifles in Pennsylvania. I hunt in small mountain towns in upper Pennsylvania and .270 win ammo is everywhere. My pick is the .270 for now. I could change my mind a few years down the road.
Hello fellow Pennsylvanian! (I'm from the south though. Right above Cumberland Maryland)
@@sheethneaffer8614 I know exactly where that is. I’m from York, County
I own a Tikka T3x in 270 Winchester and a Winchester XPR in 6.8 Western. I am primarily a target shooter who likes to play with the rifles to get the smallest possible sub MOA group. The Tikka with it's 1/10 twist rate much prefers Nosler140 gr Ballistic tip, with handloads and shoots 0.5 MOA consistently. The Winchester XPR with a 1/8 twist rate shoots 170 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips to 0.6 MOA. Both rifles are equipped with Vortex Diamondback 6 x 24 x 50 tactical scopes with bubble levels. I often shoot both rifles on the same day so conditions are pretty much the same. I also hunt with the Tikka T3x .270 and have found that there is virtually no shift of the rifles zero between the 140 gr Ballistic Tip and 140 gr Partition. I am able to shoot them interchangeably, The 140 gr Partition is absolutely devastating on Whitetails. So far my longest shot has been 220 yards and the three deer in the last three years dropped in place and never moved. Both rifles and both cartridges perform beautifully. I will probably take the 6.8 deer hunting this year loaded using Nosler 160 gr Partitions. Most likely overkill on whitetail deer but should work well on Muley's and Elk.
The 6.8 western is what the 270 WSM should have been. The larger grain bullets and tighter twist rate is the advantage for sure. For open plains hunting the long ogive is ideal. It would be nice to see some lighter grain offerings for pronghorn and smaller deer. The 7mm rem mag has 127 gr LRX ,something similar to that.
Agreed!
There wasn't much for high BC bullets in .277 diameter when the 270 WSM came out. Give it a faster twist barrel and it will be equal to or greater than the new 6.8 Western.
Intelligent , easy listening and great info you guys rock
.270 win! With a 150 gr bullet at 2900+ FPS, nothing to sneeze at, especially with a bullet like a accubond LR. Track record and nostalgia
Yeah, piercing an elk's heart is nice an all, but it won't blow the heart out of its chest and out the other side, so trade in your rifle.
Interesting series. Thanks for the video.
I bought the 6.8 Western for several reasons. Short action, low recoil, high bc bullets, heavier bullet. I hunt in grizzly county so the heavy bullets are a plus.
@Paul I said I hunt in grizzly county so the heavier bullets are a plus. The 6.8 is right inline with the 7 mag. It's plenty of gun for the lower 48 grizzlies.
@Adam-vj4uz yeah up here in alaska i stick to the .30 cals i do think a 6.8 western would anchor a brownie but having extra reassurance is pretty comforting.
Your conclusion is correct, but as an old guy who grew up in griz country, the .270 has killed many a bear.
Great topic! I think you helped me resolve my own questions about the 6.8. I have shot the .270 for many, many years and never had a problem bringing home the meat. But, there were shots I didn’t take because I didn’t feel like it was enough to kill at the distance. 300 yds has always been my limit and will probably stay there, I would have to shoot the 6.8 a bunch to change that limit. Too many younger hunters rely on the power of the scope and not the power of the gun. Respect the animal!
Hi mate thanks soo much for that really appreciate it….hope we can get the 6.8 soon in New Zealand….I am actually from Namibia but live in Nz now….hope to see more videos on the 6.8 that you just bought….I really like the 6.8….
Great videos! I enjoy them all
The .270 wsm with a 150 grain bullet is still a monster. It compares very well against the 6.8 with 165 grain loads. I only hunt whitetail so the WSM
more than meets my needs. I could easily get by with just my old 7mm-08 which I use a lot. But sometimes you want the WSM beast.
I also have a 270 wsm have killed probably 15 dear with it including a big 9 a big 10 and an 8 I have had 1 deer run ran about 15 yards I just ordered a 7 prc but even though I cannot get ammo anymore I will never sell it
@@user-db3ek3lw4y as soon as Tikka drops a 7 PRC I'll get one.
This is where I get off. The rounds left in the competition may be awsome, but for me are way more than necessary. Good luck with your competition and thanks for the vid.
I’d choose the 270 Winchester because I already have access to one. No need to buy new when old does so well.
Being a fan of the legendary jack o Connor and a lot of his hunting articles, I bought a .270 many years ago and I have no regrets because I am a fan of the classics regardless of whether or not these new technology cartridges may have more reach and more power. The .270 Winchester with either the 130 or 150 grain bullet has never failed me on any deer, any size, anywhere. I have never used it on elk, I use another classic for bigger game, the 7mm Remington magnum, but for pronghorn, deer, and exotics, jack o connor’s .270 is still in my opinion an outstanding cartridge that can be found on store shelves anywhere and can be had in many different types of fine rifles.
A plus for the 6.8 Western is the future US Army NGSW in 6.8x51. Just look at the availability of 5.56/.223. So 6.8 Western is more likely to be the round for the next 50 years.
6.8 Western is a beast I own the Browning and it is here to stay.
I vote fat blunt things from the late 1800's.
I love Weatherby rifles, but hate their calibers because of cost and availability.
Reload like I do!
@@davejones67 I do but I still have issues with "unique" or proprietary cases. Like the 7mm STW I built 22 years ago, finding 8mm Rem Mag or 7mm STW brass is tough/over priced. I have 30+ long guns and to Jim's point I would like to get the heard down to 2-3 really good all purpose big game guns without the worry of obsolescence or ammo shortage. Right now my personal picks are 7mm-08, 7mm Rem Mag and my 338 Win Mag. This will cover my needs from deer/pigs to bear/elk.
Looking forward to the Winchester xpr review! Thank you 🙏
I have a .270 win and absolutely love it. It is the cartridge that i recommend when an adult male asks what they should buy as an all around cartridge (I live in texas). That being said. I will recommend the 6.8 in the future as it is the cartridge that I have been hoping for, for the past several years. Its the perfect balance of recoil to power/ballistic capability. But today, right this minute i may still recommend the .270 or possibly the 6.5 prc as it is still a new cartridge and I wouldnt be comfortable sending a brand new shooter off with a 6.8 just yet. The ammo availability is good but not great and the rifle options are too limited. I would still recommend the old standby. But for me. I own ammo for it without owning the rifle yet because I’m so excited that the perfect rifle cartridge isn’t a wildcatters fantasy anymore.
I been successfully hunting that old 270 for 50 years now but honestly I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’m a little excited about the 6.8 simply because of its ability to handle 175 grain bullets and beyond is just to much to pass up.
Your reviews are top notch
As much as it hurts my feelings to say this my vote is for the 6.8 western. I love my .270 to death but the future is absolutely the 6.8 western
Sweet! Hope you watched our 6.8 Western video’s 😂 Great video my man - love the channel
I did indeed watch them. Enjoy your channel.
My vote is the 270 Winchester.
New cartridges are cool and trendy, but there’s value in the nostalgia of shooting an heirloom that still performs.
I agree, everything else is ego.
My basic manual trans pickup truck does everything I need it to do. And gets 32/gal.
If the 6.8 western can be loaded with lighter bullets at 270 win performance, then a handloader can have the best of both worlds with the 6.8 western. Cheaper bullets and less recoil for short to medium range hunting, and the ability to turn it up when long range shot are expected. The question then becomes how does the 1:8 twist affect bullet stabilization for traditional 270 win bullet weights of 130, 140, 150 gr, and how does loading the shorter lighter bullets in the 6.8 western affect the jump to the rifling while maintaining proper seating depth and neck tension?
The versatility you talk about depends on how the new rifles with faster twist rates stabilize the 130 grain bullets that most whitetail hunters use. I have shot many whitetails with 130 grain .270 bullets and never had a wish for a heavier bullet even with what Elmer Keith called "A raking shot" quartering away. The 130 has no problem entering under the last rib and reaching the heart/lung area. The 6.8 Westerners would have to handle the 130s well for me to prefer it over my .270 Winchesters and .270 WSM with their 1 in 10 twist rate. Will the longer throat on the new 6.8 rifles still allow me to seat 130 grain bullets out to the sweet spot of about 20 thousandths from touching the lands?
I voted 6.8 western because I’m trying to keep in mind the purpose of this rifle. You intend it to be a rifle for deer and elk out to 400 yards. 270 would be just fine for deer but elk at that range would be a little on the lighter side. The 6.8 allows you to use the heavier bullets and I think fits your stated purpose better.
Great show! Love my 270!!
Whatever happened to your partner??
Do you recommend the winchester xpr??
I voted for the 6.8 western. I love the larger bullet weights and short action.
6.8 is a better shooter. 270 has more available ammo. I vote for 6.8
I have noticed the 270 wsm is also limited to winchester and I think browning riffles similar to 6.8western. I would honestly want to shoot all 5 cartridges and see how I would feel comfort wise shooting them. As a hunting rifle barrel life wouldn't really matter to me as much. But the ammo availability starting out I would in the last year lean towards the 6.8 western since it has been more available than the other cartridges
Good comparison. Sako use to manufacture a 165gr Hammerhead for the .270Win, I have culled numerous Bluewildebees and Zebra with it. Unfortunately not available anymore.
Bergara needs to get a jump on things and get 6.8 Western out in it's hunting models.
Hopefully their 2022 offerings include it. I have a wilderness terrain in 6.5 cm.. almost bought a wilderness hmr in 6.5 prc, but they had already sold it when I went back to get it. Been wanting a premier highlander or approach but can’t decide on a caliber… I’ve really been looking at the 270 wsm, but bergara doesn’t offer it either. if they make a 6.8, I think that will be the one.. I think it bridges the gap between a target round like the 6.5 and a bigger game hunting round like the 7 mag or 300 wm.. that won’t be overdoing it for whitetail.
@@Sirlants_alot I agree. I have the HMR Premier in 6.5 Creedmoor, and a HMR in .308. If they bring a Wilderness Premier in 6.8 Western I may convert from my 28 Nosler since I can run a 175gr bullet through both. And the 6.8 will have a slightly better BC and SD, and better barrel life. I like to get on the range and stretch the legs on my hunting rifles just so I know the performance in different conditions. Having a 1k round barrel life on the 28 Nosler is a bit painful. I ran 200 rounds through it the first month I had it. I love shooting it. 1000yrds is easy.
When is the next cartridge wars episode? I'm ready to buy a new rifle and I'm waiting to see the final results. Love the videos. Thanks!
I guess I have to tell my .270 win. with a 130 grain bullet @ 3,110 fps, is 200 fps to fast. Oh and that is with only 59gns of powder. Only18lbs of recoil. But all your points are valid. Thanks for the comparison
I agree, 130 gr superformance cooks about 3200 fps in my Tikka.
Yes, get rid of the rifle. You must have the absolute pinnacle of, "The best."
I’m thinking this comparison is kind of like going to an ice cream shop. If you want basic ice cream you go to Dairy Queen. You have a limited selection of flavors and few options but it fills your urge for ice cream at a reasonable cost. However if you’re desiring more flavors you go to Baskin Robbins. You have many more options to satisfy your craving but it comes with a higher price tag. I’ve owned a .270 for 40 years and it’s been more than enough gun for my needs. I retired a .30-30 model 94 in when I purchased my .270. Every last one of the deer that my .270 has taken would have been just as dead with the venerable .30-30. I was young at the time of my purchase and the old timers at my deer camp laughed at my new gun.
I’m not going to get a 6.8 Western to replace my .270 but if I was 40 years younger I’d buy the 6.8.
It’s a really tough call but I think I have to give the edge to the ole 270 win. Mostly because you can find that rifle everywhere and by lots of manufacturers at every price point. Ammo is plentiful and it’s a proven killer. Absolutely nothing wrong with the 6.8 western and if all of those things were equal I’d choose the western.
Seems pretty obvious where this cartridge development is going. 270-300prc would be the penultimate 270 cartridge. Still fit in a long action. Long and fat beats short and fat. Modern case design and can push high b.c. 270 projectiles that will no doubt be on the way
270 is coming on strong again. New bullets etc. I got a Nosler rifle in 270 win for a good price new in box and I’m happy.
My vote is the .270 win.
I’ve always found the .270 Winchester to be somewhat lacking mostly because of the bullet weights you can and can’t get for it. If you could get something like 160gr to 170gr then it would be a lot better. My vote goes to the 6.8 Western
I have no vested interest in .270s. More of a .284/.30 man here. Definitely looking forward to more cartridge wars videos though. If I had to vote, I would go 6.8 Western just because I'm a glutton for short/efficient modern cases.
I own a Sako A7 in a 270 Win. It is my primary white tail hunting cartrige. But, I can tell the 6.8 Western is a better cartrige. The science doesn't lie. I was hoping this video would address the fact that browning and Winchester stated that the 6.8 Western is more capabile than the 7mm Rem mag. I think they were picking a high BC bullet for the 6.8 and less BC bullet for the 7mm. To me, kind of dishonest. When you compare the two, you can get better performance out of the 7 mm using a higher BC bullet and have right around the same recoil.
Have to go with the 6.8 Western on this one. I believe it will be a viable option for many years to come. Took what they had wrong with the 270 wsm and fixed it. With two companies that do rifles and ammunition backing it seems like it'll be a sure bet for those who don't reload even after the ammo shortage ends... it will end, RIGHT!?!?
6.8 all the way. I love everything about it. Factory ammo, factory rifles. Great versatility and performance.
Not as much options for the hand loader for .277” Bullets but a 7mm version intrigues me. That I might hop on. Especially if it is close to the belted 7mm Mag
Dang, Jim! No one can say you haven't done your research! Nice job!
My vote is for the .270 Win. The additional round in the magazine and longer barrel life and little less recoil and all else being acceptable with it - makes it the better choice for me. I do elk and deer and antelope; 99% of my shots are 300 yards and less; 300 to 400 yards is my long range hunting and the 270 will do that just fine. Being available in a Sako is another plus. P.S. I don't own either - the one I own starts with a 3 and ends with a 8.
I agree with everything that you say, between the comparison of the 6.8 Western period and the 270 WSM but what I think is that most of the people who watch your Channel, gun heads like me. Who are into the custom barrels and long-range shooting. 20 years ago I would have never thought to shoot my 22LR 200-plus yards. Today I don't even give it a thought 3 + is the goal now
I think both are great, idk if I'd buy the 270 over the 6.8 western if I was looking although the current ammo crisis is a factor. Since I currently have a 270, I don't see a reason to buy the 6.8 myself and would likely go up to 30 cal with 300wsm. I feel like if I need anything bigger and more powerful than the 270, or a 7 mag I can use, then I should go to 30 cal or larger
7 mm mag crushes the 6.8 in power so I kind of find it strange that if you needed more power than the 7 mm mag I can understand you saying then the 270 but 6.8 is not as powerful as a 7 mm mag