7mm PRC vs 6.8 Western?
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Hey guys. Sorry for the mixup last night. This is the actual 7mm PRC vs 6.8 Western comparison video. Looking forward to watching it with you tonight.
I was so confused last night... I watched it twice because I thought I missed it... lol
@@chrisbrunson6761 lol😂 ME TOO
Ron we can call that part of your bloopers.
Lol, I watched that whole video anyway. I was a little confused. That was good stuff too, though!
I was watching last night and wondering what was going on lol..Thank for the content
6.8 western for life. My new favourite
if hornady really gave a crap about the hunting shooting industry they would support the 6.8...All they care about are the prc cartridges and that's lame
It’s not just hornady. Very few companies have enough confidence in 6.7 western to support it, including Winchester it seems.
@@Westerner_
Well, ADG brass is going to produce brass for the 6.8 Western by the end of the year. It looks like it’s gaining ground, slowly, but interest is building.
@@jimedick9496and that's in the face of all the head winds against it even... For folks that don't know, 6.8 Western is pretty darn good, but all the competition is trying to stop it.
@@samkarr673
It’s a terrific round. It’s the rifle and cartridge that has replaced all my others. I find that I grab my 6.8 Western over my 6.5 PRC, 7 Mag, 30-06, 270win, 300 Sav, and 243 Win.
I’ve had excellent results with this cartridge.
I’m hunting, not shooting in the Wimbledon Cup. My 6.8 Western has already brought down two whitetail bucks this season. The 6.8WST has hit exactly where I put the crosshairs. My 6.8 in 170 ballistic tip is my “sweet spot”. Winchester just needs to flood the market with more ammo.
I have enjoyed my 6.8 for hunting here in Alaska. I ended up picking up the 6.8 before the 7 PRC was available. I have my dies for the 6.8. My daughter likes the recoil on her 6.8 western as well. It seems the 7 PRC is going to also gain in its popularity. Both are great new rounds.
a 7 with a decent rifle fitted with a great recoil pad and can will be handy and versatile for bigger game than the 6.5 PRC or the 6.8 for sure. just wait for right rifle options. nice to hear dies available for reloading custom loads, especially with few decent factory ammo.
Short action, less powder/recoil and similar performance. 6.8 Western
100%!!
don't think the 6.8 western will be dead any time soon now that people have found that the 7prc is constantly 150 FPS + slower than Hornady's claimed box speed. The 6.8 is constantly a little faster than box speed. Federal is going to start loading 6.8 w in their Terminal Accent 160 grain at almost 3000 FPS. Hopefully Norma and Sako will follow
Thanks great show. I'm loving my xbolt in 6.8.
Thank you Ron for the comparison video. Having hunted with all of the classic cartridges (30-06, 7mm Mauser, 7mm RM and 300 WM) and now that my hunting days are pretty much over (I'm down to fishing for sport) these new cartridges look like they would be fun to shoot at the bench as well as in the field. Watching your videos is making me want a new rifle as bad as a standing outside the local bakery makes me want to go in and get a fresh danish. Thank you again and have a good week.
From your hunting experience, how well would 7mm magnum or 300 WM do out of a shorter AR platform (30 round mags) for self defense situations?
Im used to tradional .223 AR or 7.62x39 AK.
Thank you.
@@tinhatrancher904 The cartridges would take a long action and the muzzle blast from a short barrel would be terribly deafening. The 7mm RM and the 300 WM are best considered for long range defense in a good bolt action rifle. The current crop of new cartridges based on the AR platform would provide the best selection for close to medium ranges when faster fire rates would be preferred.
@@mattevans-koch9353 Thank you that explanation makes sense.
We used an Argentine Mauser on our last hunt in south texas. Great round for that part of texas
@@tinhatrancher904 You should look into another new cartridge with great energy and shorter flight the 350 legend in an AR.
I have a .300wm so if I buy another rifle it’ll be a short action rifle. That being said it’s a no brainer, 6.8 Western.
Just be aware that the 6.8 Western won't fit in many short actions since it is 2.955" long. Many short actions are closer to 2.81", the length of a 308.
@@jfess1911 what I’ve read is that maximum OAL is 2.995”, that is doable. I still like the idea of a sub 44” rifle that is 6,9-7,5 pounds.
@@RadDadisRad I suspect that the 2.955" listed in SAAMI specs for both the 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC was chosen for a specific reason. My guess is that there is a relatively popular action out there that could not go beyond this length. Certainly the the current Winchester and Browning actions, but I wonder if there are others?
@@jfess1911 Winchester short action accommodates 2.995” OAL since they manufacture ELD ammunition for this round. I do understand what you’re stating. I’m digging through forums and I believe that 2.995” is a typo because SAAMI holds a pretty tight ship. I don’t suspect that they would let 0.04” slip through like that. So I’m going to agree with you that you’re right that some short actions will accommodate the 6.8 western but not all and that 2.955” is going to be difficult to find a short action for.
@@RadDadisRad Link to SAAMI page for the 6.8 Western.
saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/6.8-Western-Public-Introduction-Orig-2020-11-01.pdf
These videos are about cartridges that I will never shoot but they tickle my inner nerdly wild child all kinds of pink!
I'm a fan of short actions. 6.8 western for the win. But 308 is still my favorite!
Agreed.
i like the 6.8 for a few reasons; primarily because I have boxes and boxes of 270 win bullets for reloading. The 145 ELD-x, 140 Sierra TGk, 150 Nosler AB and ABLR, etc. The transition to shooting and reloading the 6.8 was seamless once I got the dies, the powder, and the magnum primers necessary to reload high BC heavy bullets. With 400+ rounds of brass I'll pretty much never have to worry about shooting the 6.8 for the rest of my life. With all respect to the 7prc, it seems nice but it doesn't do anything much better than the 6.8 or the 280 AI, and certainly can't outperform the 28 Nosler. I think barrel life is going to favor the 6.8. I think reloading component availability will favor the 7prc and for sure factory ammo will favor the 7prc. I think until Winchester, Browning, and Christensen Arms stop being the only production companies to make the 6.8 it'll suffer, causing ammo sales to suffer, and also causing heavy high BC 277 bullet production to suffer. So while new sales will certainly tend to favor the 7prc due to Hornady marketing, availbility of ammo and reloading components, for those that have a 6.8 and have the components necessary to reload the bullets it was designed for it's a moot point and those folks will favor (and I'm in that camp) the 6.8. Even for those who don't have a supply of heavy high BC bullets, 277 ELD-x is very inexpensive to load for the 6.8. It's a push on primers (both use LRMP), and both will use (more or less) the same powders. Last thing I favor is the recoil - my 6.8 with Recoil Hawg has such little recoil even my tiny wife doesn't mind it - and she hates my 270 with no brake. Anyway, to each their own, both great cartridges. Will one fail? Maybe. Maybe they both will. In the end if you can reload neither will fail you.
I’ve probably got the only hunting rifles I’ll ever have till I go to the happy hunting grounds. But it’s still fun to see these different rifles and the thoughts of different shooters. I hope the younger generations enjoy the same hunting I have tru my time. Thanks again Ron, for fun and interesting videos of the shooting sports. 🎥💪🏽💯👍
I have a 25-06 and it's ideal.
I want a 22 250 how ever. If I can't get one,a 223 will suffice
Which ever works better in efficiency in a 20in barrel. Would love use these suppressed. Short action and suppressors kind keep the weight down for by hair rooting for 6.8. Just needs more love from manufacturers
They will be very close. The 6.8 Western is too long for most short action rifles, so they will usually both be in standard actions anyway. The Real Gunsmith has talked about customers who got mad when they discovered that the 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC could not fit into their Remington short actions.
A dozen years ago when I bought my first hunting rifle I struggled for months deciding between 270 win. And 7mm mag. (I live in a western state). This is the same exact battle again in 2022😂. Either way we and (the animal) are lucky with how far ammo technology has come.
Loving my new browning 6.8 Western max long range. just harvested a large bull moose this fall at just over a hundred yards one shot 162 cooper impact and the only two steps he took were backwards. For me the 6.8 is a win because of low recoil. I also have the 300 Win Mag which gave me a dreaded flinch where the 6.8 doesn't like Ron says hunt honest and Shoot Straight
How was the expansion with that bullet?
I do prefer a short action and the 6.8 Western is my new baby and I am absolutely loving it. Thanks for your overview of these two I really enjoyed it.
I’d like to see it stay long term.
@@chadperry4021 me too
Just be aware that the 6.8 Western (and 6.5 PRC, for that matter) fudge the definition of "short action" and, in fact won't fit in many common short action rifles. The common definition of short action is "308-length", which is 2.81". The 6.8 Western is 3.955"
@@jfess1911 Correct none of the short action magnums are technically short action by cartridge COL definition.
@@simplemindedfella The WSM's are pretty close, though since they are 2.86" (only 0.05" longer than 308) and do indeed fit into most short actions. The 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC both need 2.955, which is enough longer to rule out a Remington Short Action and its clones, for example. Most companies will just use their standard action for them.
I would have like to see the comparison with the 6.8 western loaded with the 175 sierra TGK.
Nice video! I think these are both great choices. Just depends on how much you care about short vs long action and how much recoil you want. I've been impressed with the 6.8 so far. I can shoot many rounds without a sore shoulder.
If you notice, Hornady is not making any high bc 6.8\277 bullets. They are not going to make any bullets that don't support themselves. That's what is holding the 6.8 from gaining traction.
More and more are figuring out that Hornady lied about their velocity in order to kill the 6.8 Western.
Per Hornady’s barrel length of 24”, the velocities are about 200 ft/sec slower than what they are advertising. They did this to take out their competition with the Western.
It’s still a terrific round, but their false advertising caused a lot of hunters to purchase the 7 PRC under false pretense.
I will never support Hornady again.
Thank god I don’t use their bullets. Hammer bullets and badlands precision are my to go go.
@@jimedick9496Global. Powder. Shortage. The first rounds of ammo they made were going at advertised velocity. Federal 7 PRCs are still getting the advertised velocity. This has been hashed out ad nauseum by now.
I spent the last 3 weeks trying to figure out what cartridge I wanted my new gun to be, watch a lot of your videos over and over. I like the new 6.8 bullets but just don’t need a magnum round. I like the 6.5’s but again I don’t need the magnum and already have a 6.5 CM build. I’ve never liked the 30 cal rounds so those were out. I have a T/C Icon in 270 and absolutely love that gun and round but it’s standard action. After all the videos I just kept coming back to the 270 win so that’s what I have coming.
Love all the videos and information you put out there.
Thanks a bunch, Ron!! --- Ralph
Ron you continue to inspire and educate me. I've got a pretty blunt "give me a rifle and I'll get it done" attitude, but the finer points of tweaking and learning the balance of recoil, terminal performance and accuracy are making this old hat increasingly interested in making life easier. As I've said before I have a 375H&H mag and it's a heat seeker. However, I recently shot a deer with a 6.5 Creedmore and totally enjoyed the technical aspect of the cartridge's ability. Crunching numbers is now much more interesting. It is a worthwhile endeavor especially as a handloader. Thank you Ron!
Yup America. Buy both of them!!! 👀😎🇺🇸💪💯
Ron, I enjoy listening to your wisdom every day on my lunch break at work.
Ron, many thanks for your reviews. My favorite cartridge for any American hunt is the 7mm Mag. GAP built my current setup. The built consists of a Bartlein #4 contour barrel, Remington Action, Manners MCS-PRS-1 stock, and Timney Elite trigger. It's about at 13 lbs setup with scope. Not ideal for lugging around Missouri timberland. I will be using the gun now for long-range shooting and my next "all around rifle" will be the 7mm PRC. I can get a lighter rifle, shorter barrel and the same results by going to the 7 PRC. Thanks for the review!
I absolutely love these videos! Thanks Ron for putting out such great content. Keep up the good work!
I choose 308 for anything in Western NC, but I love ballistics, and geeking out about hunting. I was here last night for the rerun premiere. It worked out as gavintoobe had a premiere at the same time. I love his channel too!
But....but.... what if you see a deer over on the NEXT mountain over and don't feel like walking??? 😀
@@jfess1911 😂 you're lucky to see more than 50 yards in the Appalachian mountains. And the 308 can take a deer from several hundred yards easily. 🎯
@@Ben-ry1py I too grew up in Western NC and had thought of the 308 as a long range cartridge. I remember almost laughing the first time I saw a 7mm Rem Mag and thinking "who on earth would ever shoot that far?"
@@jfess1911 I've never shot or seen a 7mm rem mag. I'm 40, and haven't gotten to hunt much at all as my dad only went a couple times when I was very young. I got my first hunting license a few weeks ago. I've spent untold hours learning more about ballistics and hunting, and I've ended up with all military rounds 223, 7.62x39, and 308 as I'm a practical man. Ammo costs will pretty quickly outpace a well priced firearm, and availability is really good. I'm actually finding that the 7.62x39 is my favored gun for deer, as the 308 is just overkill inside of 100 yards....with good shot placement of course.
I want to spend a while shooting longer ranges with less efficient/powerful rounds before I ever upgrade to a magnum as I want to build really good shooting skills first. Now I just need to find a place I can shoot more than 100 yards! I know there are some around.
Maybe one day I'll get to hunt in the open country!
Thanks Ron. Just found a die set for the 6.8 Western and grabbed it. I've heard great things!
My friend you rule above all youtubers, as always plain and simple info.
I hope Browning offers the 6.8 in more rifles, I'd love to see a Browning BAR semi auto available in 6.8 western.
Christensen and others are making them now
Oooo, me too!
6.8. The 270 out sells the 280,70-08, and 7mm mag. Staying with the caliber
Support for the 6.8 dropped off. 7mm PRC will take it. Hornady does a good job of marketing and keeping it alive.
@@jonathonvandenberg2535 the military 6.8mm possible adoption may keep it in there, we will have to see
Long action vs short action and cost I think will be the biggest factors between these two. If you’re fine with a long action and the 7mm PRC isn’t much more expensive, 7mm all day.
If you need a short action maybe for a semi-auto? And price is less, 6.8 all day.
I think 6.8 western had, and still has, a chance to be an excellent and extremely popular cartridge, but it needs more support. THAT'S the main difference between the 6.8western and the new PRC cartridges, Hornady starts out the gate with massive support and they draw in the early adopters. Without early adopters, no cartridge would have EVER become popular enough to become widespread or "ubiquitous"
There had to be early adopters for all of our old standbys, the .270, the 7mag, the .300win mag, ALL of these rounds had "early" adopters that made these rounds viable to continue supporting and they became huge hits.
Early adoption is what determines a cartridge's success or failure, so discouraging early adoption is basically hoping for these cartridges to fail.
I shot a 270wsm and 7mm mag for years. Getting a 7mm PRC soon. Love them both.
I feel like they are so close that the availability of ammo will be my deciding factor.
At least with the 6.8 Western I can convert short mag brass to it and still shoot my gun if neither pick up and maintain popularity and ammo as well as brass isn't available. I do not know if there is anything in current production that can be easily converted to 7mm PRC.
@@simplemindedfella Not easily converted. The 300 PRC uses a longer version of the case, but will be a real pain and probably need neck turning after the shoulder is pushed back.
@@jfess1911 Still running into the same problem with the 300 PRC being too new what do you convert into 300 PRC if you can't get it?
facts
@@simplemindedfella 375 Ruger
Looking Very Sharp, Ron in your WeatherWool! Thank you for your continued support!
The short action and shorter barrel options make the 6.8 the winner for me. I don't know how some guys go hunting with a 26 inch barrel and a 2 inch brake. To be fair I'm not a tall guy, but I want a mix of capability and portability/balance.
As a bowhunter who has never owned a compound bow, I also remain a luddite when it comes to getting starry eyed over the new whiz-bang cartridges. Not being one who has any desire to shoot at game past 30 yards with a bow or 250 yards with a rifle, I'll stick with my old 25-06 for deer and antelope and my 30-06 for anything larger.
How dare you not fall for gimmicks
Oh man I had a 25-06 that thing was a tack driver wish I still had it. I harvested a few black tails with it did the job just fine..
@@whiteyfisk9769 I live on the edge!😄
Yeah I think being short action is the winner I think being offered in reasonable barrel length. I hope 6.8western takes off
I like that 7PRC might try one. Im a longtime 7WSM guy 180VLDs at 3100 is tuff to beat
Correction: Ron, the 165 accubond isn't the heaviest factory offering for a hunting load in the 6.8 western. Browning offers a 175gr sierra tipped game king. They're advertised at 2835fps. Ive handloaded them to over 3000fps so far.
How does the BC compare?
@@danielbutcher5836 the 175 game king isn’t as high as the 165 ablr
Handloaded, these cartridges have 3grs difference in capacity. The 6.8s velocities are understated. It can achieve 3200fps with 150 and 3100fps with 170. The 6.8 will have better trajectory below 170gr and the 7mm will have better trajectory about 170gr. The 270wsm and 7mm WSM are better cartridges in my opinion when run in appropriate length actions with adequate freebore and twist rate.
Those velocities you stated for the 6.8 Western are gonna put you WAAAY above SAAMI spec max pressure. By the time you see traditional pressure signs in modern actions (especially custom) you’re most likely up around 80,000 PSI vs the SAAMI spec 60,000-68,000 for many cartridges. And the WSMs won’t give you the performance in factory rifles because of what you said, they don’t have enough room to seat the bullets out or the twist rates necessary to stabilize the modern projectiles. The 7mm PRC and 6.8 Western for that matter were designed to provide factory rifle options that would give you the performance that a custom rifle gives you. You just simply can’t do that with older cartridges. Don’t get me wrong I love short mags but these new cartridges (especially the PRC family in my opinion) are very impressive.
the Real Answer is 7mm-08 Remington HooRoo
Well said Ron! I've killed more big game inside 150yards with 3030 than any of my other rifles. Modern bullet construction has helped it.
Still wondering which of these calibers is more durable for the barrel?
And yet,
7mm Rem Mag remains one of my favorite calibers to this day.
😀😀😀
I look forward to the 7 PRC looks great.
nice video, and helpful as always, Ron. I am putting together a 6.8 Western right now for my first nice modern hunting rifle. in the past I have used my great grandfather's sporterized M1917 Enfield, so this will be an upgrade, for sure. I will be excited to see how 162gr copper impact and 170gr ABLR will perform out of a suppressed 20" barrel. that said, if I was putting together a long action, the 7 PRC would be the bees knees! two cartridges with similar capabilities with slightly different niches.
Its pretty much right on par with my 6.5-300 on energy and velocity at 500 yards with slightly more drop. Using a 156 EOL in the Weatherby and a 175 eldx in the 7PRC.
The 7mm PRC barrel will last longer though lol that 6.5-300 WBY is a sweet hot rod though!
Wow! Really close. Thanks for the info, Ron. Guess we'll just have to watch rifle and ammo availability/variety over time to see which one "makes it big".
Thanks Ron for all you do. Looking forward to the next comparison, but that 7mm seems to be the sweet spot.
going to be loading some partitions 150 gr for my 6.8 western for whitetail and see how it goes,my farthest shot where I hunt is under 200 yards. the buck I shot last year was 27 yards, bullet entered behind the shoulder deflected inside body and came out the neck on a quartering away shot. so hopefully it'll be better
Tony was right about db. The reason it is a bizarre scale is in part because we perceive the volume increase as being proportional to the numerical increase, so there is a considerable risk that one will not be aware of the damage that is occurring because we do not experience the noise as the increase in energy, but as the increase in db. So yes, a 3 db increase doubles the energetic effect.
The attenuation of sound is also interesting. For instance, if you had a rifle with a 16 inch barrel vs a 24 inch barrel, the same explosion at the end of each barrel would actually be more than twice as energetic at the end of the 16 in barrel. Of course in the real world, the muzzle blast would also be greater as the powder would burn outside the gun with the shorter barrel. (This example assume your ear is at inch 0 of the barrel, when in reality it is a bit further back, depending on the action. So if the real numbers were 22 and 30 inches from the muzzle, the difference would be 2.7 db reduction, rather than a 3.5 db reduction, where 3 is a doubling. Barrel length is your friend.
Another interesting factor to consider is that the magic number that is so often reported as the db of high powered rifles is 160 db. I noticed this over 40 years of reading the magazines. If you wear muffs that promise a 24 db reduction in sound, that gets the DB under 140, often given as the threshold for permanent hearing loss. A few years ago I was looking for a db meter for my daughter, who was playing in a band, where the teacher had lost her hearing significantly. What did I find? The meters commonly sold only register up to 160 db. Guns can produce significantly louder blast, which is why we hear of people who only once sat next to a muzzle brake shooting friend and lost hearing from that one experience or even shot. If the DB were say 300, as I have heard it can be, but don't have good data, your muffs would not protect you against serious injury to your hearing.
Hi Ron, love your videos. I would like to see a comparison between 7mm PRC and 300 win mag someday. Maybe also the 300 PRC. Thanks for all the info and entertainment you put out there.
I love your channel. I have learned a lot about caliber and the bullets from your channel. Thank you again.
Wish you would of also compared the box of amm in front of you 6.8 162 gr copper impact
I love learning about all these new, sleek, fast, efficient cartridges, but, as more of them come out, I just stick to the older 20th Century cartridges. I grew up with the idea that a 300 yard deer was a long shot. I have no need to shoot out to 1,000 yards. I love my 30-06 and my .257 Roberts. Now I'm looking at purchasing my next hunting rifle - a 7mm-08. What is interesting is that I'm still young. I'm only 34 years old. Whereas many in my generation are shooting these new cartridges, I am looking back to my grandfather's generation who was born in 1912.
Well if ur buying a new gun why not get a better bc round?
I’ve got both, my whitetail cartridge for anything under 300-400 is still my 7-08 which is fantastic. Anything over and I’ll grab a 6.5 Prc or 7 Prc. I also have a lightweight 6.5 grendel for 300 and in in mountainous terrain. Just harvested a 9 point whitetail with that 7-08 this morning.
If ur getting a 7-08 I’ve had fantastic results with my tikka chambered for it. Couldn’t be happier.
@@Mountain-Man27 ohh ok yeah makes sense I got my deer this year with a 308 but after watching my brother drop a huge mule deer from 598 yards with a 6.8 western I’ve been really wanting to pick one up
@@Mountain-Man27 this is me exactly. I use and love my 7-08. Here in Idaho I use it for Mule deer and have taken a few cow elk with it. However for anything bigger or further than 400, I grab my 6.5 PRC
140 partition out of that 7 would be smoking awesome short to medium range game getter I bet
6.8 Western is actually a more efficient cartridge than a 7prc. Your velocity to powder ratio is better with that case. Its how short magnums like the rsaum cases and shortened wsm cases are
I got very interested in the 6.8 western and have been patiently waiting for more offerings. So far all I’ve seen is the xbolt and the Winchester. The 7prc is very interesting as well but it’s still a waiting game for me! I would like to see the 6.8 in a tikka or beggara or some offering that hits that sweet spot for my liking, patience almost always pays off!
I'm in the same boat. Would love a 6.8 bergara!
Unfortunately, I don't think we will see many rifles chambered for 6.8 Western. It's for the simple fact that Winchester is both a manufacturer of ammunition and rifles. Similar to nosler and weatherby. You won't see competitors chambering for each other's pet projects no matter how good they really are. That's where Hornady has the advantage of only producing ammunition and components. The 7 PRC will take off in the coming years much more than the 6.8 western. Which is unfortunate because even I prefer the Western. However, it is a simple barrel change away from any rifle that is chambered for 6.5 PRC or any of the WSM cartridges. Food for thought.
Christensen chambers 6.8 western and a few others
6.8 Western is a complete mike drop on about everything 6.5 to 300. Just buy a Remington 700 action and a decent stock, then custom bartlien barrel with a 1:7.5 twist and 26-29 barrel and you will smoke the dog shit out of any of these 7mms and certainly the 6.5s.
@@dexterlecter7289 hah let me tell you! It does! Only diff is I have a tikka action on my 28” barrel! 165 able over 3000fps. Dumps anything in its tracks!!
Alot has changed since both of these cartridges have been compared (projectiles and actual performance vs whats on paper). Would love for Ron to revisit this subject at some point.
I choose 6.8 western. Won't notice a difference in ballistics but the 6.8 is a short action meaning it will do the same thing in a lighter shorter rifle.
I am really interested in both. The ammo supply is still a problem in some areas. I have 6.5CM, 270Win, and 308Win as my current long range rifles.
I’m sticking with my 7x57. It’ll drop anything within ethical hunting distances!
Ron, the problem with what you said is that Nosler inflates there BC numbers and Hornady doesn't. Therefore in comparing these two bullets the numbers are further apart than it seems
Ron my OCD kicked in when you sat that copper impact down beside the ABLR lol not even in the same conversation..thank you for the content ,one of the most knowledgeable people I have found on the internet.
I think they are both great choices I use feel that 7mm PC will be picked up by alot more companies I mean there still isn't many rifles chambered in 6.8 western I don't understand why, I think hornadys brand partnership is stronger
I think I'll wait to see what the 7mm PRC brings in the way of load data. To see if I'll replace or re-barrel my 7mm Rem Mag. Great info as always Ron. Thank you.
hardly worth it unless barrel is ready anyway to be replaced. but understand the want for a new toy or challenge
Modern 270 vs 7 mm mag. Hopefully both will do just fine.
Both really great. I feel as if 7mm PRC has more hype behind it right now. I just worry about buying a 6.8 and not being able to get ammo for it in 15 years
ADG brass is looking to produce brass for the 6.8 Western later on this year. Barnes, Sierra, Berger, Nosler, Winchester, and Browning are all producing high BC, heavy for caliber bullets for the 6.8 Western. It seems things are picking up for the Western in regard to ammo.
Christensen Arms, Fierce, and Seekins are now producing rifles chambered in 6.8 Western as well as Winchester and Browning.
So straight forward and understandable. Thank you.
6.8 for me!
Hi Ron I´m from Germany and I have a nice idea for a video: the famous German 8x57 IS. One of the best german calibers with an interesting history. I would be happy if you make a video!
I've been watching the 6.8 Western, but I haven't been able to find a single Box of ammo locally anywhere. Frankly I haven't seen any PRC either.
Dang luck for me I have a sportmans warehouse near and they have both. Reload brother
? I have heard that BC is not a constant and changes along with the velocity. Different bullet designs will have different curve on chart even though they start out the same. The Hornady Ballistic Coefficient page seems to support this for their bullets , and the Hornady 4dof calculator for some other bullet makes. ? Probably splitting hairs for hunting but it is interesting, and has worked well for precision target.
For someone buying a new hunting rifle both are a great choice but I am not sure if they will be successful in the marketplace. I have always been a fan of the 7 mm rem mag and all 7mms for that matter but these new cartridge really don’t have much advantage until the range gets past 500 yards and the old cartridge’s will probably be cheaper to shoot and more availability of ammo ?
Easy choice if you consider hornadys recent successes. The 7prc be thriving well after the 6.8 western dies! 6.8 has been out awhile and yet other manufacturers are not loading or chambering for it. Maybe it will survive like the weatherby cartridges but I just don't see it
Thanks Ron. Always appreciate your practical perspective. It's crazy how these manufacturers are reinventing the wheel and the uninformed think it's the first wheel EVER! A lot of the people I talk with are mislead by branding and marketing, to the point they disbelieve the actual numbers. Requires a lot of patience to get them to believe their eyes. I love my 6.5 PRC for slight edge in ballistics, but I hate it every time I go to buy a box of ammo and there IS NONE. And beside the empty spot on the shelf for 6.5 PRC sits 6 different kinds of 270 win. Hell, Walmart has 270 on the shelf right NOW! Gotta laugh. I spend $25/box for 270 and $58/box for 6.5 PRC while the drops are literally the same at 500 yards and the deer don't know the difference because the energy is only 100# more. LOL that's what I get.
Once again, a great comparison video Ron, thank you! One thing that didn’t get discussed is expected barrel life using these two cartridges. Any idea?
Every good shooter knows drops are constant and easy to figure(dope) as they are consistent. Wind drift is where you really need to worry, less drift is always better
Come on Ron, if your shooting to 1000 then you should be reloading
Keeping my venerable ol' 300WM thank you very much!
I’ve already killed 2 elk with the 6.8 Western shooting the 175 gr factory load. I’ve got a 7 PRC barrel in hand waiting on an action to come in.
Looking at the numbers I’m probably going to favor the 6.8 for a mountain gun as the ounces add up and the short action gives that slight edge in weight.
I finally got my hands on the first 7prc to hit the store shelf in Alaska but it is a Remington so I had to pass, still patiently waiting.
7prc for simple reasons. Better bullet selection, better trajectory, more power.
I agree. Only Winchester and Browning will make factory rifles for 6.8 Western. But every company will make a rifle for 7PRC. I think In a few years 6.8 Western will cease to exist in favor of the more popular PRC cartridges
Christensen Arms is chambering for 6.8 Western
It doesn’t really matter get whichever one is cheaper most game is shot within 300 anyways should be just fine with a 30-30 instead
@@paulsmith2058 you are wrong there is a long list of rifles makers for the 6.8W and like said even Christensen Rifles just jumped on the wagon.
7 PRC is the only good choice
All the ballistics of these rounds are so close; the deciding factor for me and my bad back is the recoil. Any chance you could do a video with lower recoil as the primary goal for a 500-yard range elk caliber?
rifle make up and weight is critical not just the cartridge and load
A lot of this choice is dependent on copper or lead bullets.
I wonder if you could load a 162 eldx in the 7PRC to reduce a bit of recoil, get higher velocity, and flatter trajectory. The 162 eldx has a fairly high BC at .631 or so. Since the PRC loads bullets so far out, I wonder if this would end up giving you a longer jump to lands than the 175 which could affect accuracy?
6.8 Western will get the job done for me. I'll take it (X-Bolt 2 Speed SPR)
6.8 is a neat cartridge, but only factory ammo available is Winchester. I don't feel comfortable with only one maker of ammo. Will have to see how the 7 PRC fares.
I was going to comment that the biggest win for the 7 is not exclusively having to shoot Winchester factory ammo for the non handloaders lol
People have been waiting for a better 7mm mouse trap for a long time. Not too hot, not too cold. No extra appendages and no limitation on seating. It's close to perfect honestly.
I mean this really isnt anything new. Pretty much identical to 7 wby, only about 100 fps less than 28 Nosler, and 100 fps more than 7 mag.
@@Nick-sx6jm 7wby and rem suffer from two major flaws. Head hight and a belt. The Nosler is too overbore and has terrible head hight. The short magnums have the same head hight issue as the belted ones. The PRC solves all these issues. Plus every single 7PRC rifle off the shelf will have a match chamber.
@@kylemartin832 Idk I have belted and very modern designed cartrides and I have never had any problems with belts and I reload them. If you only shoot factory ammo like most people the belt will not be a factor anyways. You can also shoot the longer bullets with other cartridges too you just wont be able to seat then out as far. As for the match chamber thing its still just going to depend on the quality of the barrel. I have seen 80 year old cartridges shoot half moa and new 6.5 PRC shoot one inch it just depends on quality. I just dont see a reason to switch if you already have a 7mm. If its your first gun or first 7mm then maybe but you would still probably be better off with a 7 mag with price, available and selection.
@@Nick-sx6jm I do reload and belts can give you problems. They are also not necessarily and don't add any value. Was a silly sales gimmick. In a 375h&h the belt is used for head spacing. Few other cartridges actually need them. I reload for 375h&h actually and even the case gause is more complicated lol. Now if I had dies and set up for 7 mag maybe I'd get another 7 mag. But if not definitely the PRC. It will see success like its siblings, I'm sure of it.
The 6.8 Western is failing. I've yet to meet anyone who has one yet. Win/Browning mishandled the hell out of the release. The ammo was available months before my local gun shops ever saw a rifle.
When they did receive rifles it was the $1,200+ Browning rifles.
I wonder about barrel life between the two?
My favorites are 6mm CM, 257 Roberts, 6.5-06 & 6.5PRC, 270wsm (fast twist), 7 Rem Mag, 300RUM.
.270 WSM fast twist???? LOL that's the 6.8 Western he was literally just talking about. Winchester literally even put the notice out lol hahaha
I would like to see a breakdown of all the ballistics comparisons on one chart with all of these calibers including 6.5 CM, 6.5 PRC, 270 Win, 270 WSM, 6.8 Western, 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm PRC, 280 Rem, 280 AI, 300 Win Mag, 300 WSM, 300 PRC
At minimum & mostly interested in 270 WSM, 6.8 Western, 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm PRC all on one chart.
7 RM and 7 PRC ballistics identical ( about same case cap)( OAL is the dif) with the same bullet, 7 PRC uses 200 Pluss bullets and has 1-8 twist to stabilize, 7 RM Long action and 1-9.5 twist good for 180 grns bullets, same for the 30 Cal but the 300 PRC uses a Magnum Action to seat 220+ bullets further out and 1-8 twist
Ballistics programs are free. You can plug in all the bullets you want, at muzzle velocities typical for the cartridge, and see how they all pan out. I’ve done it for most of those over the years. More important variables are:
* How often and what type of training do you do for shooting?
* Do you hand-load?
* What regions are you using these to hunt in?
6.5CM will cover anything in the Eastern US, and Mountain West as long as you keep your shots within a certain range/hit probability in the vitals if going for elk.
6.5PRC is a great low-recoil cartridge for Mountain West, very easy to train with, while bringing a lot more performance than 6.5PRC.
I would add 7mm WSM and 7mm SAUM to that list. 7mm WSM with the right throat and tight twist is hard to beat.
I agree getting energy to the target is important and high bc bullets do that well. I think bullet construction and size of the bullet are more important. They are both the factors in releasing the energy brought to target which is what kills the animal. It’s why a 450 bushmaster at 100 yards can cause hydrostatic shock even going slightly less than 2000fps. The ranges I hunt at I do t think either one of these would much difference than anything on the market.
The correct answer is both. We don’t need to kill off one or the other. If you like a 7, go with the 7prc. If you like a .270 go with the 6.8western. Both are made in the new heavy for caliber modern high bc fats twist tight throat style
NIce job Ron as always. Enjoy your channel.
How about the non lead versions for California? 7prc looks great but i like a short action gonna hard to decide unless more manufacturer makes ammo for the 6.8
Between the 6.8 Western and the 7mm PRC, I would pick the 6.8 Western, because it is optimized for an action length that is easy to find. The 7mm PRC is optimized for a standard long action, of which, very few exist. Well over 95% of push feed bolt actions on the market are short action or magnum length action. Most bolt action manufactures, such as Remington, Savage, Bergara, ect, skip the standard long action and go straight to magnum length action. You can put the 7mm PRC in a magnum length action, but you can't optimize it for the magnum length action like you can pretty much any other "standard length magnum" cartridge on the market, such as the 7mm Rem Mag and .28 Nosler, because Hornady optimized the 7mm PRC for long VLD bullets in a standard length action by keeping the case length at 2.28 inches, and most bullets aren't long enough to seat out to over 3.6 inches in a magnum length action while still seating well in a case that short. So whereas with a 7mm Rem Mag you can adjust dies to headspace at the shoulder and seat your bullets to kiss the lands at 3.62 inches while still feeding from an AICS magazine, with the 7mm PRC, you just have over a quarter inch of space in a magnum length magazine that you can't use. The 6.8 Western makes more sense because it is optimized for an action length you can actually find, and it uses all of it to good effect. You don't have the bullet choices in .277 cal that you do in .284 cal, but there are options on the market that allow the 6.8 Western to put the best commercially available ballistics in a common short action magnum receiver.
A standard action isn’t common? Sorry what? So 30-06’s, 270’s, 300win mags and 7mm rem mags don’t exist at all?
@@devinb3397 No, standard action cartridges are plenty common. Standard action receivers, not so much. Most push feed bolt actions skip the standard long action and go straight to magnum length action. So if you have a 7mm Rem Mag in a Rem M700, you can seat your bullets well beyond the 3.34 in COAL restrictions of a standard long action. If you put a custom barrel on it and run some freebore, you can even touch the lands at 3.62 inches and still feed through a AICS mag, because the Rem Mag has a case length of about 2.5 inches.
You can also convert your rifle to .300 RUM with a simple barrel change, and maybe changing the follower in your magazine. This wouldn't be possible if the Remington long action was standard length, because the Ultra Mags would be too long to fit in the receiver. The RUMs do fit in a Remington long action because a Remington long action, like the vast majority of commercially available push feed bolt actions, is a true magnum length action.
In order to find a standard long action, you probably have to either run a CRF Pre-64 M70 type action, or buy a $1500 custom receiver from a manufacture like Defiance. Most people aren't going to do this, and most rifle manufactures aren't either. Most people are going to rebarrel an existing rifle and most rifle manufactures are going to put the 7mm PRC in their magnum length action, like they do all the rest of the standard long action cartridges. The difference is that the 7mm PRC is uniquely unqualified to be put in a magnum length action because it was optimized for long VLDs in a true standard long action, so it has a case length is only 2.28 inches. This means that unlike the Rem Mag or .28 Nosler, which have a case length about a quarter in longer, most VLDs aren't long enough to be seated out to 3.6+ inches in the PRC.
Hornady optimized the 7mm PRC for an obscure receiver length that almost no one has access to. So more often than not, the PRC is going to find itself in a magnum length action, and is going to be unable to be optimized for this action length like pretty much any other standard long action cartridge. This is asinine. Hornady should gave commercialized the 7mm LRM, or some other magnum length 7mm-.375 Ruger. This would allow for better performance and would make more sense because it would allow the cartridge to make better use of the receiver it is going to find itself in. As it is, the 7mm PRC is a red headed step child, the standard length magnum that makes the least amount of sense. I would run .280 AI, 7mm Rem Mag, or .28 Nosler before 7mm PRC, or even step down in action length to the 7mm SAUM or 7mm Sherman. The PRC is the least useful if the 7mm magnum cartridges.
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 least useful? Okay tell me a single 7mm cartridge you can buy from dozens of rifle makers, with factory ammo and the twist rate from factory that can handle the heaviest 7mm projectiles. Both the 280 and rem mag need custom barrels and don’t have any factory ammo that have anywhere near the BC. Sure you can get a custom barrel but do most people really want to do that? I honestly cannot be bothered if the option is there from factory to do exactly what I want. the 28 nosler is an absolute barrel burner with recoil absolutely nobody would enjoy without a brake. Me and thousands of others like tikkas and their mags are limited to 3.340. The PRC fits perfectly at that OAL. Who cares if your mag can fit them longer? It still outperforms the rem mag.
The market is already satisfied by the 28 nosler and 300PRC for the magnum actions. And I very rarely see those because they’re just huge. Hornady would be stupid to release a direct competitor for the 28.
Pretty much 3 big benefits and it will sell big I guarantee.
- tight twist from factory in every single rifle made which no ancient 7mm does.
- COAL of 3.340 that will fit in any standard action easily, which are super common here in Australia anyway. We hunt in the bush on foot so we don’t want to cart around a big lump like a rem 700.
- better efficiency and velocity over the rem mag with less powder
Now tell me why you would pick up a rem mag over the PRC, even if your mag is long enough. youd need a custom barrel to shoot heavy projectiles and then still get a lower velocity with more powder.. makes no sense whatsoever. More work to get a worse end result lol.
@@devinb3397 Most of us have better access to a custom barrel than a custom receiver, and we handload by default. There are tens of millions of magnum length actions in ownership by Americans right now. I have a Rem M700 laying around that I was going to rebarrel to 7mm PRC until the specs became available on SAAMI's website. Remingtons and Savages are far more common than Tikkas.
So it is easier for me to put a Proof Research barrel in .28 Nosler on a Rem M700, have .22 to .25 in of freebore cut with it, seat a 195 gr Berger to 3.62 to 3.64 or so inches, and send them at 3100 fps than it is to track down a standard long action, which is still going to need a custom barrel, and then run 7mm PRC. Esp since I shoot left handed. It is also easier for me to do essentially the same thing for 7mm Rem Mag; Proof Research barrel on an existing Rem M700 action, adjust dies to headspace off the shoulder and run 180 gr VLDs seated to 3.62 inches or so at just under 3000 fps. This duplicates PRC performance with much better brass. Hornady brass kinda sucks. Having better brass options available for the Rem Mag and .28 Nosler is a big selling point.
Barrel life is irrelevant. Complaining about barrel life to someone shooting a 7mm magnum is like complaining about fuel economy to someone driving a one ton pickup. And Proof Research will replace for free any barrel of theirs you shoot out, so buy once cry once. The performance of the .28 Nosler in a magnum length action makes it a much more appealing option than the PRC. And the carbon fiber Proof barrel saves enough weight to more than make up for a slightly longer receiver and a couple inches more barrel.
Factory ammo doesn't interest me. It just isn't much of an advantage when serious hunters and shooters all reload.
If I was really interested in effeciency and a lightweight rifle, I'd run 7mm SAUM or 6.5 PRC. Again, the 7mm PRC is the worst of both worlds. It doesn't offer the performance of other standard long or magnum length magnums in a magnum length action or the effeciency of the short mags. Easily 98% of the bolt actions on the market are short or magnum length, and marketing a cartridge to the other 2% seems foolish to me.
@@devinb3397 And the .28 Nosler is a standard length magnum, so Hornady did release a direct competitor for the .28 Nosler. The only difference is that the Nosler can be loaded to make full use of the magnum length receiver, while the PRC can't.
The PRC outperforming the Rem Mag is also debatable. It is pretty easy to load around the belt, and the Rem Mag has better components and is better able to optimize a magnum length receiver, so if all the PRC offers is no belt and a faster twist, thst might not cut it. The Rem Mag can match its performance in a magnum action with a lower operating pressure, so if you're worried about barrel life, the Rem Mag might be the better option.
Which one is best? The one you shoot best and can get ammo... 😂
I'll stick with my 7mm rem. mag. Never had an issue putting meat on the table. Plus ammo is readily available. Tried the 28 Nosler. Barrel burnt out in just over 200 rounds. Nope...7rem. mag. for me. Old school!
Priceless