6.8 Western - New Winchester & Browning Big Game Cartridge
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely. 
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It has been a year since release of 6.8 Western. Since then I bought one shoot about 500 rounds through it. My assessment, it is a fantastic cartridge far superior than the 270. More accurate, more energy at long distances, can shoot larger game at a longer distance all in a short action rifle.
The perfect Rifle caliber is the one you can find ammunition for.
Underrated comment of the past decade.
Preach!
In 2021 The perfect ammo is the kind you can find a firearm for.
@God's Com'n I hope you've got a lot of friends, you can't carry a garage.
@@JAFO. 😅😂🤣
Instead of making new cartridges they should focus on making more rounds
Why? When they can use false scarcity to enhance sales consistency and increase pricing.
@@realblakrawb As someone who works in the industry, I can promise you it isn’t false scarcity.
@@realblakrawb BINGO!!! Then they will just dribble a little out at a time at the higher outrageous prices so they're guaranteed to make MILLIONS in profit.
Facts
@@JustinDragonClaw I too am getting tired of 3 shift +. 8 work days are not nice.
Can't wait until people start trading in perfectly fine 270 Winchesters for this new round. Nothing wrong with new, nothing wrong with proven either. Great video Ron!
Me either people like me will be buying them old reliable rifles seems like everyone keeps trying to bet the 270 the 7 mag and the 22-250 and so far I haven't seen any of them beaten yet that's just my personal opinion if it works it just works
I’ll never trade my 270 but I might add this to the collection. I’ve been waiting on a 270 short action for a while
@@keithellison3901 I hear ya. I want a 270 WSM, just because. 270 Win is a great round.
@@calvinlayport3127 270 Win in my opinion is a perfect round. Recoil is ok, performance is great on game and at the range, and the round is readily available. At least when there is not an ammo shortage.
I love my tikka t3 lite in 270.
I love the .270 Win. and have not until now seen a cartridge I would ever pick over it for my big game hunting needs, but have to say this new 6.8 Western impresses me.
Seems to be a very well designed round and fills the old .270 niche w/o too much recoil while being able to take advantage of those long bullets. I think this one will be a winner, at least if we can ever get out of this ammo drougth.
Just picked up a new hunting rifle in 6.8. I’m so ready to use it in Montana this fall. After using the same 300wm for 28 years that my dad gave to me I’m pretty excited for something new! Thanks for all your great videos, Ron!
I'll keep Thumping my 300WM!! She ain't broke? Don't fix her IMO
Maybe they should focus more on the demand for current cartridges and components than making new ones
Nope. Not a member of the Flavor of the Month Club. Good information well-presented, tho. Thanks Ron!
I cant find bird shot most days......how in the heck would anyone be able to find this new round? This is like releasing a big block during a gas embargo.
More like introducing a new gasoline in a gas shortage.
Birdshot and 30-40 Krag are about all I can find locally. Good selection still available in 28 ga here too. Seeing all the 28 gauge almost had me buying a shotgun to feed it into!
Exactly..... that cartridge is a solution looking for a problem. Stupid timing for sure
This is the same thing that got the 30ar from remington.
And it looked like a good hunting round for the ar.
But bad timing.
They didn't just come up with this in the last few months. This has likely been in development for quite awhile and the release date they chose just happened to coincide with our current situation.
I'm going to keep my old trusty 270 and 7 mag. They still take game after 40 pluses years
No ones saying they don’t.... it’s just a new cartridge. We get it.
I'll stick with my 6.5prc
@@gregoryolenick3668 Yeah, stick with the old shit.......😋
What? You actually believe the 7 mm Rem Mag is still adequate...?! :) (With a few weaker handloads, it does just great downloaded to .280 Rem levels...!)
This guy is such a phenomenal teacher. I don't even care too much about this topic, but he makes it so interesting.
Thanks Ron 👍🏻 I think it’s an interesting cartridge actually. It’s great that the twist rate for .277” finally got “fixed”. Being a Swede and 6,5x55 nerd I am normally not so impressed with many of the newer creations (currently hunting with a Blaser R8 with 6,5x55 1-8” and ELD-X 143 loaded to 2750 fps), but this one has my attention. I have been thinking about a do it all rifle lately and thought that even the 6.5 PRC wouldn’t give me enough oomph downrange. The 28 Nosler is a bit too much and the 7 RM being tried and true feels a bit boring somehow although I’m sure it’s great. The 270 Win is fine and also the 270 WSM and Weatherby but the 6.8 Western seems like a breath of fresh air and really appealing. I will have to look into it more. Thanks for the informative video.
Nice cartridge but I can't even find muzzleloader ammo.
Sailboat fuel is hard to come by these days as well. It's rough out here 😞
Natchez’s website had some this morning. The only rifle calibers in stock were mostly magnum stuff people don’t use.
you can buy muzzleloader stuff most ant place. That and shotgun is about the only thing you wont have trouble with. Farm n Fleet even has black powder
@@garywelker8398 there are places, even shotgun ammo is disappearing or scant, not as bad as rifle, but following suite.
Guys, I believe this is a joke because muzzleloaders use four separate components and not necessarily "ammunition" like a modern cartridge
Anyone else start feeling old when he reminded us the .270WSM came out in '02?
And I bought one shortly after it came out. Still regret trading that rifle off sometimes
We can't get ammo now. That's what we need is another round
That's the perfect time to sell, create demand 🤣🤣🤣🤣😘
I AGREE
Not hard to find ammo for this caliber. I just purchased mine and found plenty of ammo on the web. Paid $49/box so they aren't price gouging it either.
Great video. You do a good job with these. These are a lot of fun to watch. I think we can all admit the 6.5 Creedmoor is the reason why these developments are happening
Creedmoor yes but also economics! like the man said.
Your videos are excellent Ron!!! The quality and craftsmanship is excellent as well as the information about the subject of firearms!! Thank you for making such a good RUclips video to watch!!
.308 will do all this at hunting ranges. Look forward to seeing what is reinvented next week.
Bahahaha! !!!! Yip!!! I'm a 06 guy but exactly!
I'm buying a Winchester 70 in 6.8 Western, simply because there are hundreds of rounds available for it locally.
@@scbane yeah it's same story with 6.5cm , it's trendy its everywhere , but 270 seems OK in supply
@@scbane buy two and I’ll buy one off of you... cause I can’t find one anywhere.
6.8 shits on 308 at long range lmfao
I love your video's,
Your expectations and passion for our sport,
is Awesome ...
Always love you videos and perspective on things...keep the knowledge coming!
I like the .277 bullet but I don’t like all this mm talk. I bought a new beard trimmer last week and it came with mm measurements for length. I don’t now what to do with it. My beard is SAE.
😂
You just shave it off and regrow. Beards are like fields of grain. Harvest and replant.
“My beard is SAE.” Oh man that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all dang day. Awesome man.
That’s great!
the difference between SAE and METRIC country's. SAE got to the moon first, then there is everyone else.
Bought the Browning speed in 6.8 Western and I absolutely love it. Very accurate and can shoot heavier bullets.
Always enjoy your reviews. Thanks for the facts and not being just a commercial.
Shelves are bare. Hey, let's develop a new cartridge to be out of.
>expecting these companies run by anti-gun fudds to give a shit
That's funny.. Good. Something else not to have.
Fascinating as always for us ballistic nerds. Don't know that I would take this over a 7mm RM
Next thing we'll do is take the 6.8 Western case and put 7mm bullets in it. lol
@@TexanUSMC8089 haha you mean they will relaunch the WSM line as the WSM 2.0????????? hey how about I just neck it up and do it anyway as a wildcat and call it the 7mm SouthEastern
@@bobby398 hahahahaha it’s all about the rifling. Imagine a 1:7 twist???
@@TexanUSMC8089 and voila it’s a 7SAUM!
@@blackshirtsrule4ever pretty much what I said when I seen it.
They can't even keep .22 shells available, yet have time to develop a round that mimics the functionality of 30 others. Damn. ... ....
i know its some bullshit they have precious time to waste on making a new stupid cart that a 270, 300 and 308 can do a damn 6.8 western like bruh yes waste money on making a new cart instead of increasing production damn to companys ever listen to there customers ever.
@@skylerhinman6600 💯
It's not about manpower. It's the manufacturing capability. No company will add additional very expensive manufacturing capacity due to what is predicted to be a surge that will taper off. Unfortunately politics are in the middle of all the uncertainty and the firearm industry is not currently in favor. The Biden Admin will do anything they can to create headaches for ammo manufacturers and gun owners.
That rock wall is beautiful
i always love listening and learning from this guy - wish i knew half what he does
Interesting round. Won't be trading my .30-06 for it. Interesting nonetheless.
You 30-06 shoots 200 yds tho
Ok boomer
Its unbelievable how many people rush out to buy these new fancy rounds just because they are new and fancy.
@@colearmstrong2450 not really a 30-06 can shoot as far as 500 yards and still be deadly and really its all on the shooter some stupid person told me a 30-30 cant shoot father than 100 yards i called so much bullshit on that cuz i shot elk at 300 yards with a 30-30 its all about the shooter the shooters skill decides the deadliness and Reach of a caliber.
@@skylerhinman6600 yeah that’s a good point all about the skill and range time behind the shooter
Looking forward to your updated video on the 6.8 Western.
Nice looking i like it thanks for the information Ron
This is an interesting new round. You did a great job explaining it. I am a huge fan of low drag and high BC. It is a huge reason I chose 6.5/260. I don't think I'll be buying one anytime soon. I already have too many rifles. lol I'll stick with my 270 win's.. They do what I need them to do. TY mh
I was wondering how long it would be before the 6.5Creed was old news...
Now I know!
@Super Mario True enough but the 6.5Creed has been receiving all the love from the writers over the past few years. Maybe now this new and improved 270wsm will be "the one"!
Meanwhile, I'm still using my 7x57.
@@paulsimmons5726 if I need something with a little more juice than my .270 Win. it’s called the 7mm Rem. Mag.
Or my 30-06’s, or .300 Weatherby.
Paul Simmons lol thanks for my laugh of the day, I'm not a fan of the 6.5 whatchamacallit again...let the forgetting begin.
But the 6.8 western holds 1 less round than 6.5 cm in the same rifles. That could be significant.
It was "old news" once hunters like me discovered that the 6.5×284 Norma was a far superior round. The 'Creedmo' has been eclipsed by a ton of 6.5 caliber offerings since then. Not only is it "old news", but its subscription was cancelled a while back.
I applaud advances in cartridge, propellant and bullet technologies! I also think that when it comes to rebarrel a standard .270, the 6.8 Western would be a good choice. I think it's great that the military is going to the 6.8 round--Jack O'Connor would have been proud!
One word, exciting.
Thank you for the informative presentation.
My .30-06s work fine, and I can find ammo for them pretty consistently. Completely viable at the ranges I'm hunting at. All these new, long range cartridges I feel like are the epitome of diminishing returns. If you want go for an animal at a marathon's distance away, go nuts I guess.
30-06 is also ancient in terms of a technological standpoint. The powders and cases in mind when it was developed are leaps and bounds better today. Muzzleloaders can and still do work today as well.
6,5x55 is still the most used caliber for moose hunt in Sweden, than comes 30-06 and now 308 is more and more taking over. 308 will be always my favorite. Deer, moose, buck, bear, wolf, varmint. 308 takes it all and it is always available..
Not as long as you think. Once the military starts using its new rounds and stops using the 308 enmass you'll likely see a rise in prices and the cheap surplus ammo dry up. And when the new rounds adopted itll have surplus availability, likely replacing the 308 like the 308 replaced the 30-06
@@megaconda07 Maybe in the USA but not in Sweden. 30-06 and 6,5x55 is everywhere available. Norma produce as long there is market for it. That means for hunters and sport shooters that use this kind of ammo. One problem could be for 6,5x55 when lead in hunting ammo will be forbidden. Than the 6,5x55 won't be in the class 1 category, and can not be used for the Swedish big game hunt anymore.
Thanks Ron!
Ron is freaking awesome
Great presentation of a new cartridge. I'll stick with the 300 Win Mag.
honestly the fact that some new cart was made instead of helping with production on the demand of current carts is dumb the stupidest part is they made a new cart the 6.8 like wtf a 257, 270, 300, 308, 30-06 and 30-30 can literally out perform and do better than the 6.8 can with any animal on earth
Your shoulder must hate you
@@wendigo5142 just a little love tap. And yes...the right shoulder has been rebuilt.
If this is for hunting, this sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist...
I swear to God, I was just going to type those exact same words......
The problem of deer hunting was solved in the early 20th century. I could argue even by the end of the 19th century.
Then again, I fully expect someone online to tell me that my 30-06 with SST ammo is insufficient for whitetail deer. They will tell me I need a spotter, a 4-10 power scope on my rifle, hand load all my ammo, 20 hours of sighting in and practice on the range, and at least one safety officer with me in the woods. Oh, yeah, and whitetail will required at least a 50 cal to hunt "ethically". By the way, someone has already told me that hunting with a 30-06 with open sights is unethical.
@@phprofYT Your 30-06 with SST ammo is insufficient for whitetail deer! (Well, that is a complete lie, but I was waiting for someone else to say that and the suspense was killing me!)
Why are there Chevy trucks, Ford trucks, Ram, Toyota etc...? Because people want different things, and that's ok. If you shoot a 3006 or 270...that's fine. Some people like 280 better.
In my opinion, you don't need a problem to solve, to come up with something new.
That is basically the slogan for marketing: "Creative Solutions to Non-Existent Problems".
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing and greets from the Netherlands. T.
Ron you got yourself some wonderful videos, thanks a ton!
Awesome
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@@WHOTEEWHO new ballistics gel video coming up 😝?
Looks pretty cool, huh?
Hey wtw!!!!!! Love your channel!!!!!!
There's gonna be a clay shortage......😃
Jack O'Connor looks down from Heaven and rolls his eyes. What will this do that a .270 won't do that a hunter SHOULD do?
Damn straight! Thumbs up.
It's all about business. Rifle manufactures HAVE to develop new products to stay in business. I think it's fair to say this is something we can all get behind. After all, many years ago the 270 was a new cartridge.
You dont have to buy it. You never get anywhere by not tryin new stuff. The 270 was a new round too (it was wildcatted from the 30-06). I bet ppl said the same about it back then.
Ron talks about the cartridge length for a reason, yet he didn't come out and say it. But it looks like it will fit in an AR15 action. If so, pop off your 5.56 upper, stick your spiffy new 6.8 Western upper on and go shoot a deer, or hog, or elk, or bear. Maybe even a moose.
@@yellowdog762jb AR-15 does not fit 2.900" COL cartridges with .500" case heads.
The inside of the AR-15 mag well is only 2.395" long, and you have to fit the magazine wall thickness into that too. It was built around tiny little 2.260" long COL with .378" rim diameter.
Thanks for the video
Great video on the 6.8 Western!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
I’m holding out for a phaser.
Nice Winchester. Developing a "new" cartridge and can't keep up with production on the stuff we already have.
Seems like a great round.
Interesting looks good on paper
I can see this giving 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5 PRC a run for their money, especially since the Army's new 6.8x51 (or .277 Sig Fury round) cartridge is the same diameter, and will likely drive development for good quality, high B.C. 6.8mm/ .277" bullets. I like the premise of this round, hopefully it enjoys greater success than the WSMs, Wby Mags, and long action cartridges of the days of yore. As always Ron, thank you for the great content.
The WSM is just barely holding on. The reason is...bad design. Short throat and 1:10 twist barrels. The 6.8 Western is the fix to the mistake they made with the 270 WSM.
Those would have been more popular if they didn’t charge rich man’s prices
@@basemandog price is driven by the volume of sales, which is why 5.56 is much cheaper than the 6mmx45 cartridge. Nearly identical components, but vastly different levels of demand.
I see no down side for this round, very excited to try one a year down the road. Once rcbs, or another manufacturer develop some reloading dies might be sooner than later.
Optics planet. Hello sir. Yes it will get to you. June of. 2230
Almost a year now since release date do you think you’ll give it a try?
Happy New Year Ron. I just read your Oct 8 article in Outdoor Life on the 6.8 Western. Excellent article and great comparison vs the 7 Rem mag! I appreciate your insight and use of real numbers to compare cartridges. Stay well!
Lol you got me. I was going to mention that the 6.8 round was a 270 wsm but I continued watching and you as usual did your homework. 👍
sounds like a good round, but I'm a little irritated that ammo manufacturers are putting resources into new rounds when customers are having trouble getting the already existing ones.
"Boohoo they're releasing new cartridges during an ammo shortage! How could they! They need to satiate my unending need"
Seriously you know to stop the ammo shortage is to stop buying ammo or only buy one box. I can tell you working at an outdoors store we get plenty of ammo in but greedy mouth breathers will pile in as many boxes as they can, and sometimes beyond their means, purchase.
Seriously chill out and stop panic buying every time something comes in stock.
Now 6.8 western is interesting and I look forward to seeing how the reloading community can push this cartridge to it's absolute limits because it seems to have a lot of potential.
11:35 says it all. This is nothing all that exciting as far as the numbers go. These corporations really do need to concentrate on making ammunition and components for the rifles in circulation.
It's not exciting at all. It's a lame nothing burger and it will fail.
Did some research on this round, WOW is all I can say. this is the first one that not only makes sense but to me is a game changer. should have a sectional density to take anything. People are always talking B.C. which is good for cutting through the wind, but you need a good SD of 300 or higher. like to see this in a .284 chambering.
Very good summary Ron...as usual.
I was so close to getting a 6.5 PRC but wished Hornady would have designed it with 7mm bullet. This looks very interesting.
Thats what im holding out for. I dont think they will do it though.
@@j5long a 7mm in the 6.5 PRC case would be great. Be like a modern 7mm SAUM.
Not that we need anything new to kill any game at ethical ranges, but, 'Merica! Go for it.
Is the ethical range for a 30-30 the same as the ethical range for a 30-06 ?
I have owned a 7mm Rem Mag for about 40 years, the only practical advantage of these new hotshots is about 1/4" of bolt throw!
As soon as I saw the case and you said 35 degree shoulder, I immediately thought "ok, Winchester is rebranding the 270WSM for heavy for caliber bullets. Genius." I've long been a fan of the wsm cartridges, and seeing them with the new marketing ploy, maybe we'll see a whole line of these "western" cartridges. 7.62 western, 8mm western, oh right, they did that before too. 300WSM and 325WSM
"Genius" not genius. Needs more sarcasm.
Cool idea. Personally I'd wait until i see how popular this becomes before i bought one. Had a browning before that was lousy in accuracy. Chamber was so long i couldn't fit my rounds in its magazine. Throat would move every 150 to 200 rounds. Never having a browning again.
What model was it i was about to buy a browning x bolt but now I’m worried
Agreed. I'm liking the tikka these days. Got a few of them. Crazy accurate
Thanks
My dad and then oldest brother had subscriptions to Sports Afield and Field and Stream, among several other magazines concentrating on shooting sports, throughout the 1970s. I remember reading an article as a kid about heavy long action magnums and it made a case for standard caliber counterparts like the .308 and .30-06. It talked a lot about development of flinching habits and causing too much destruction of meat. In retrospect, I’m pretty sure that article was written by none other than my favorite gun writer in my adult life, Mr. Ron Spomer. I could be wrong, but that article creating such an indelible impression in my formative years, such that it stuck with me throughout my life. Same prose writing style and philosophy. Had to be our wise friend, Ron.
I think the Scandinavians would disagree with the 6.5 being "iffy" for Elk sized game...
The Scottish and Austrians take red deer, which is the European equivalent of Elk, with .243 Win and it works fine. It's all about shot placement.
@@infantilepillock1687 on RUclips look up red stag vs elk and you will see they are different in size, but of course shot placement is key
I like the 6.5x55 as much as anyone, but in fairness many Scandinavian moose hunts (whether with this round or anything else) are driven hunts with shots at short range.
6.5cm is enough to knock down a bull elk. Matter of fact I’ve seen people shoot them with 25-06 which was lighter by about 25 grains.
People have shot them deader than dead with a .243 as well.
So a 6.5 x 55 would be more than enough.
Lowland red stag about 250kg, highland stags are generally smaller, bull elk maybe 350kg but a larger animal, have seen small calibres kill both. Dead is dead, calibre is your choice, I like the 270 don’t need more, 6.5 works fine on moose and caribou, Scandinavians use more 300win & 7mm now.
Dang it, I was hoping for them to develop the new and amazing .31-06, or would it be a .31-20? 🤣 I love choices, but there's no chance I'm buying another hunting rifle, my old .30-06 has magical powers. I'd rather spend the money on a better scope, tons of ammo (if you can find it) and years of hunting tags. To each their own, on my budget I'm hunting with the .30-06, .30-30 or a 12ga. Now if we're talking guitars, then I'm all in for more. Ha ha ha!
Why would you buy more guitars? They all play music? There's no point! My trusty old banjo can out play any of your fancy new guitars any day!
🗣the .31-06 is close to the .318 cal.
Also called the 8mm Mauser. (7.97mm) 🤠
🗣Brian, I looked in the Hornady Reloading Manual. They already make a 8mm-06 round.
good info thanks..
Yeah, this one vs the 270 WSM is basically like 308 Marlin vs 307 Winchester.
Cannot say I'm wild about this 6.8 fad, and I'm not generally a hater of new cartridges. It's a rather narrow window between 6.5 and 7mm for the bullet manufacturers to be expected to now populate with high BC offerings.
Give a me 30-06 with an M70 any time anywhere...!
My father had a model 70 featherweight in .30-06 with a beautiful looking 3-9x scope back in the day. Pretty sure it was made in 69 or 70 too. I miss it every time I go shooting.
My son and I hunt with a 30-06. Great hunting caliber
No the ol 06 is now the .30-30, and the .30-30 is now the .22lr as ranges go. Just not availability in any of the rounds I mentioned. Cartridges get old like the rest of us I guess??
@@brandtwebber5761 30-06 has always come with a 1/10 twist. It’s plenty capable of shooting 180-210 gr modern bullets. A 200 gr SGK at 2700 ft/sec is easily doable in a 24 inch 30-06. It’s still as viable as ever and hits harder than most of these new “hunting cartridges” we’re seeing. It’s obviously not hitting as hard as 300 PRC, or 30 nosler but it’s leaps and bounds better than 6.5 CM and better inside what I’d call ethical distances than 6.5 PRC.
Oh I agree, I think you took me wrong. I won't give up my 06 ever.
Looking forward to the next video on this cartridge. Would love to hear your thoughts on this one compared to the 280 AI. Thanks for another good video Ron.
This cartridge has a lot of potential. Similar performance to the 7rem mag in a short action. I like it!
Won’t buy one, as I got a 7rem mag, but it seems like a fantastic round.
Thank you learned a lot!!
Glad it was helpful!
For those saying, "There ain't no need for a new cartridge, my Great Grandpappy's cartridges work just fine," I say there's also no need for a new F-150, the old F-150 gets the job done. While we're at it, there's no need for a clothes dryer. Clothes will get just as dry with a line and clothespins. Capitalism, innovation, marketing, "new and improved", selling things people don't really "need" but still might want, is the American way. If you don't like innovation, you might've liked living in one of the former Soviet bloc nations. Nothing new there. Ever.
Thanks Andrew! Not many “get it”, but so true! We are so spoiled our brains are numb.
True, however on the reverse side of that of that, you also see these “new innovations” can last and hold up. Again the old saying “they isn’t make them like they used to” holds true for many products now. New and quality do not necessarily go hand in hand.
Ole 30 caliber bullets still delivers that energy😬. Yea may be a little more felt recoil. But no comparison to a 30 caliber atleast 300-400 yard range and in.
Heck, I'm still in the dark ages and killing deer with the old .35 Remington. It's only 112 years old. On the other hand, if I were to throw everything out and start new I would go with the Ruger .300 RCM. It is a shorter action, there's no belt on the case and it packs one huge wallop. Not enough, you say? Try the Ruger .338 RCM. These two cartridges along with the .375 Ruger are all based on the same case.
Reinventing the wheel
That's going to rock in the xbolt long range line up.
I think he said something about marketing early on.....100% this is what that is. .... maybe 7mm08 will find new life ??
if I could shove this in an ar10 I’d get all kinds of excited
I will stick with 28 nosler one shot , I love it.
Great video!
A new cartridge. Time will tell.
it sounds like a winchester .270 wsm lol
@@jhamelin119 yeah with just faster twist.
Bad timing for a new cartridge.
Interesting, but I'm not trading in my .308, .243, or 6.5 anytime soon.
No ones telling you too.....
@@kermitwilson .300 win mag is the minimum for everything now.
@@NYstranger74 Nah, 338 Lapua Magnum for those of us that can't afford a BMG 50. ;)
From your chart looks like the 300 WSM still rules the roost. Change my mind.... I’ll wait
Ron I thing you nailed it. This one is going to be my favorite.
Yawn.... its hard to get excited when you watch your half buzzed uncle drop a cranked up bull elk at 400 yards with Winchester 303 ammo that he found rolling around in the bottom of his tool box...
Panther Martin77 180 grain Power Point I bet! #1 303 British hunting round in Canada.
@@14goldmedals Winchester 180gr SilverTip, the legend round of all times.
Panther Martin77 holy crap that's going back a ways! Shit I'm 55 and that was getting scarce in 303 when I was hunting at 16. The only Silvertips I have now are just for display. They're like trying to find Remington Bronze Points lol. But I did learn to dress game and skin deer taken with Silvertips as my first whitetailed buck was taken at 16 with my older brothers' Rem 760 Game Master BDL in 30-06 shooting a Win 180 grain Silvertip. Thanks for the memories.
@@14goldmedals I shoot 32 Special and .303 Brit with SilverTips all the time, got boxes of the good stuff. Great on moose and elk up here, never any tracking involved.. Great round, have .3006 Bronze Points as well lol ..
Thats it ive got 20 year old 168 sierra game king reloads I couldnt find grabbed a couple and nailed a stag 275 it worked perfect
A short action .277. That we can't get or the guns chambered in it. Big whoop.
I think one factor of all these new long-range calibers are optics. Today you can get really nice long range optics for great prices. in the 80s 4x was the default here, no-one needed anything else.
do we still need much more than 4x ? i mean do we really need more than 1-5 or 1-6 x scopes to kill ethically inside 350 meters or so? And should we even hunt at longer ranges than that ? does it not become more animal shooting , than hunting at some point?
Great video with great information. Not sure I'd actually get a 6.8 (too invested in 308 rifles) but this would be an ideal hunting cartridge paired with a bolt action Winchester or Browning.
Didn’t we go through the “fat magnum” fad back in the 90’s? The WSM cartridges didn’t last long, ammunition is almost impossible to find now.
Or that's all you can find on the shelves cuz no one is buying any. WSM's & the RUM's ammo are about the ONLY thing you can find around my area.
In France the 270 WSM is very popular for hunting. In my country this is boring that you cannot chose any "exotic" caliber to test it. You are lucky to have so many choices in USA
The WSM cartridges didn't last long, ammo impossible to find?! That's not what I've noticed, seen, heard and experienced. Especially the .300 WSM is a pretty popular cartridge in my region. Not as much here in the Netherlands, but a lot more so in neighbouring countries such as Germany and France, where they're somewhat popular in straight pull bolt-action and self-loading rifles for hunting driven game.
Awesome. Another new cartridge that Winchester will take until September before they can supply rifles. See: Legend, .350...... Instead, how about focusing on 9, 45, 223/556 and every other caliber that industry can't make enough of to satisfy demand.
Wow!!! Thats amazing , Winchester!!! Wheres my 5.56?
I love that comment about Cheerios. "New and Improved!"
Great video Ron, but as I posted earlier today on another site, This offers no advantage over the 270 WSM. but it uses heavier bullets and needs more twist and longer fee bore...I can rebarrel my current rifle with the appropriate twist and free bore, and use the existing rifle, brass, dies, ect, cheaper than starting from scratch with a new cartridge. The wheel and the mouse trap were invented long ago, nothing is new.
Same can be said with 25.06 re barrel for faster twist and longer bullets instead of 6.5 ... it all comes down to range time and how much your committed to shooting long range .... that’s all this is about... 6.8 is already to go that way, also have a 270wsm and 400-500 yards is plenty good for me... I spend a lot of time shooting those ranges, only to knock down my buck or elk around less than 100yds every time
Looks sweet... good luck finding anything in stock right now unfortunately.
I settled on my 7mm Weatherby many years ago for all my western long range shooting. Funny thing is my longest kill shot to date on a whitetail was here at home in upstate New York at nearly 700yds!
I find stuff in stock all the time.... you just have to be at the stores at the right time. Every time I’ve been in Bass pro (at least 5 times) in the past month or so they’ve had ammo.
Saw a bunch on the shelf at my local gun store yesterday. Intriguing cartridge but we'll see how it plays out.
Reinventing the wheel again
Will that be another cartridge that's on the permanent back order list and unavailable?
Likely outlawed on the 21st.
@@handcannon1388 Legal firearms ownership outlawed, illegal drugs made legal and criminals armed and dangerous while police are defunded.
A Democrat America, where the insane rule.
@@Absaalookemensch Unless the standing military goes along with it, I predict some pretty fat crows not long after.
Obsolete before you get home with your new rifle.
Probably be illegal to own before it hits the shelves......