I've bought one in 2004, and everything goes three feet when hit. Straight down. Hahaha. I've shot bull elk with it in 130 gr Barnes and it left nothing wanting. One double lung with a silver dollar size exit, and the second shot was a high shoulder and it went through the shoulders, spine, and came to rest under the off side hide. Picture perfect mushroom, weighed 128 grains so basically just lost the plastic tip. Love mine
The 270 WSM is one of the best big game rifle. I've ever use I've kill elk and mule deer with the 270 WSM it kills like lightning never lost one and deadly out to 400 yds and deadly on moose. Great rifle
@@ChronicalsofAlI’ll answer since he hasn’t I’ve only killed large pibes here in Texas and white tail deer unfortunately haven’t gone to hunt yet elk yet but my rifle is a Winchester model 70 in 270 WSM only payed $350. Bucks at Walmart many years ago when I started hunting was my firs rifle and has been my go to to get the job done even though I have some amazing rifles now
@@Phillip-mm2lh yes sir only way I can find any is choice ammunition out of Montana 100 a box but u can get 150 grain noslor partitions they have them in stock I think they load accubonds too
You are the most humble and knowledgeable person in the hunting/firearm community that I am aware of sir! Please keep up the good work you do! Peace and Grace!
right Ron, I shoot a 270 and 3006 and have necked down 06 to 270 and the neck gets longer in the neck size down process. Yeah, the Brass has to go some where.
Thanks, Ron for the humility. I look at it this way: to me, it is pretty much a fact that you've probably forgotten more rifle cartridge knowledge than I will ever learn in two lifetimes. I really don't think that it is necessary for the rebuke, although intentions are probably not meant to accuse. I am blessed to gain good knowledge from RSO and want to see you continue to be this source of rifle and cartridge history. So thanks Ron for the content. My family and I watch everything because we like it, plain and simple and I'm gonna leave it at that.
Running jackrabbits... it reminds me of when I was a kid we used to shoot skeet with .22's. While shot shells weren't expensive, we all had .22's ammunition was cheaper, and we definitely all knew about the factory exhibition shooters (which might be a great podcast for you, Ron). This, btw was out west, and the backstop was a mountain. we weren't just shooting in the air 😮.
That's funny me to when I use to show up to shot at work I would set clay target's out to 100 yards and then pull out a 22 pistol and the guys would go no way and then I would start shooting the clays they were amazed but it was no big deal to me my dad put me in competition shooting when I was hmm I don't remember very young but I got pertty good but not as good now don't have the eyes anymore.
Thank you Ruger! I have a Steyr SL chambered in .222 Rem Mag. I used to search high and low for brass. Now? I buy .204 Ruger brass, and I’ve got a huge supply of brass for my Steyr!
We love ya Ron people wait for micro mistakes so they can pounce. Makes themselves feel mightier. If they only had your experience they would not do this kind of thing it would be opps I know what he ment take care good hunting and god bless
Hey Ron, saw your interview with Hickock 45 yesterday, enjoyed it very much. Todays talk was a good one too! 😉 I’m not a Hunter but have been a shooter my whole life. BB guns as a child and pistols as an adult. Would like to explore long guns now that I’m older and really enjoy your talks!
Hi Ron enjoy the information you share on your pod casts. Talk to us about cut rifle barrels and button rifle barrels, copper bullets. Heat treating of rifle barrels, crygenics treating. 6mm bullets for hunting an accuracy. Best rifle barrel makers today.
I just got a new tikka t3x in 270 wsm. My plan is to get a prefit barrel with a 1:8" twist to make it a super velocity 6.8 western. It's so easy to make the "short action" tikka into a long action, which will allow me to load the 165 ablr at 3.2" and maximize the extra case capacity afforded by the wsm case over the 6.8 western. Should be the ideal .277 in my opinion.
As for the 338/06,I really want to build one up.I am a big fan of old African hunting books and became enamored with the 318 Westley Richards and how well it performed on game over there,often punch up out of it's weight class.I plan on taking a trip over there, hopefully soon,and want a 338/06 as my general purpose carry rifle,because it's essentially the same round,just uses .338 bullets instead of .330.I think the reason it's not more popular is for two other rounds,the 35 Whelen and the 338 Winchester.Both are great rounds but the 338/06 offers advantages over both.I say all of that just to say this,it's a shame it's not more popular than it is,it's a great round.
I've got to start putting together a new cartridge collection. I used to have a pretty good assortment of different calibers including four WW2 issue 455 Webleys, a 221 Fireball, 22 Jet and some other obsolete cartridges but I lost all of them in a house fire back in 2004. My pride and joy of the collection was a 270 gr SP in 375 H&H mag and a 750 gr 50 BMG. With the price and shortage of different calibers these days it's gonna be hard to find a lot of the older calibers. I've always been a huge cartridge nerd, even when I was little. You might remember when Remington used to send out their cartridge catalog with the full color, correct size photos of all of their cartridges, both handgun and rifle. That was in the early 70's and was my favorite catalog, even better to me than the Sears toy catalog. I wish that cartridge companies still sent out catalogs like that. I was and still am fascinated by all of the different lengths and diameters of all the cartridges. I also used to spend hours looking at the pictures and comparing the ballistics of the wide variety of bullet weights. I love your collection,especially the big bore African cartridges. They were and still are fascinating to look at and read about because of the size and sheer power they produce. I hope your African hunt goes well. For now I'll have to live vicariously through you and your adventures. Keep up the great videos. I look forward to each new one.
Have 270 wsm… I have 130 tsx… deer elk hammer… have other calibers and love picking it up when it gets. Turn… always did the job and had one shot out at 413 yards, delivered meat to table lead free
I enjoy watching and listening to you. You don't have a big ego like some do. You stay humble. Great job. May the Lord be with you. P.S. Henry currently makes a 38-55
Thanks David. I have a reasonably healthy ego, but I temper it with the knowledge that I'm no more important than anyone else. Best I can do is share what few talents I have and be responsive to learn from others. Cheers.
Ron if you look at the Winchester Repeating Arms site, they still list the 270 WSM and the 300 WSM in some models of the Winchester model 70 current production. The Long-Range MB and the Extreme Weather MB are two of them.
Oh feck me mate what do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on give yourself a pat on the back then try to shoot a rabbit at 100 yds on the run with a 22 mag lmfao what a tool
Thanks for all of the great hunting videos, Ron! I’m a hog/boar hunter myself and I appreciate and take into account all of the tips I can get! Have a good one Ron
Stalking Whitetail deer in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan I used a Remington 742 Carbine for several years until I started using a 16" Winchester 94 Trapper 30-30 with a 1.75X scope. Most shots are under 60 yards.
Ron, excellent explanation on the details of the development of the 270 Win! I too have often thought Winchester simply used the 30-03 due to the identical case lengths. But, the suggestion of simply resizing a 30-06 and due to the flow of brass in the sizing process results in a proper length 270 Win makes the most sense. Good information there, thank you!
If you set a clay thrower up for rabbits to simulate the head and use a .17hmr or .17wsm it mimics the velocity of most centerfire rifles and you can practice all day
I love my 338-06. 185gr tsx or the 210gr partitions are hammers. Elk, black bear, whitetail and hogs. Out to 350yards with a 4-14 Arken is serious meat producer.
The only running whitetail I’ve ever shot was with a Winchester 94 and a Lyman peep sight. The deer was at a full run at about 40 yds. It was just like a crossing shot on a goose. Start behind, pull through, as the front bead passed his nose pulled the trigger . Kept the gun moving. Shot right through the front of the chest. Tumbled and DRT.
I love you my Brother in arms. I appreciate your podcasts . No such thing as a old dog that can't learn new tricks. at least for me. I find it funny listening to some of the people that write in . If there bias , well there bias to what ever wiz bang they own , Just wish some of them didn't get quit so worked up over fine details , Not everything in hunting and shooting is cut and dry .Keep up the good work sir. Thank you
Hey Ron, I was wondering if you have, or are planning on doing an episode for beginner reloaders? Well…pre-beginners, really. I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around what to look for, but I think maybe it would be beneficial for a lot of us to have a comprehensive, simplified step by step list of what to get, where to start, etc. Kinda like you’re explaining it to a 6 year old. Thanks!
Cobin, I've done that video, but have to keep it on RSOTV, my subscription channel, due to YT restrictions. You can join RSOTV here: www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/rsotv-landing-page
Love this! Love your shows, always informative and entertaining. Now my somewhat rhetorical question is, how long will it be before all manufacturers start going to a fast twist, finally. Would love to see a ftr .270 in a low budget rifle like the Ruger American or Savage (axis?). Great episode! Long live the .270!
I suspect that part of the reason the 270 WSM did not take off is that the market was flooded with similar cartridges. The 270 WSM, 7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 300 WSM, 300 SAUM all came out at about the same time. With three cartridges having very similar performance (270 and 7mm rounds ) the market was split and none of the three gained a large enough market share to break away from the pack. On the other hand, the 300 WSM seemed to gain significant traction and several manufacturers still produce rifles and ammo, so the lawsuit is not the only reason that some of the others did not become popular.
@@stanleysanders9099 I remember that the 7 SAUM was preferred by some long-range shooters for its longer neck and superior chamber design (the SAAMI-spec WSM's do not have a freebore section to hold the bullet in alignment as the rifling is engraved)*. The Short Mags were the last hurrah of the shoot-light-bullet-fast design school (140grains for 7mm, 150 for .30 cal) and kept to 308-class length (2.825 -2.86" max). They came out just before the switch to faster twist barrels and long, high-BC bullets. At the time, long range accuracy was not as important as speed, and the WSM's had the largest cases to win the velocity-war. Some of the original comparison articles didn't even mention accuracy, only velocity numbers. *Winchester later adopted this chamber design for the 6.8 Western, so even they eventually realized its advantages.
@@jmgates09 Do your WSM's shoot accurately with many loads, or did they take a fair amount of load development to find a bullet/powder combination that shoot small groups? I ask this because the WSM's were about the last US cartridges to use the old (30-06) style taper-only throat design which can be relatively picky as to which loads they shoot accurately. Winchester (and Federal for its 338) stuck to this old design long after everyone else switched to the "match-style" chambers that have a section of tight freebore to align the bullet with the bore prior to and during rifling engagement. Thanks
I didn't know about the 270wsm lawsuit. I also always wondered why it wasn't more popular. I've been using it for years now in the northern plains of Montana for deer and antelope. I used 270 win and 25/06 for years but found I could reach out a bit farther with the WSM.
I like my 270 because I can find lots of brass for it . The guys who own 270 WSM can't say the same thing today . Its all going to the 6.8 Western. Sorry guys they are promoting the new bell and whistle 6.8 and your out of luck for cases unless you can find over priced factory loads to shoot and reload .
You talking about hunting rabbits with a twenty-two brought back memories of my early law enforcement years. I hunted rabbits with a twenty-two River single six pistol. I carried it in a hip holster and, when a rabbit jumped up, I would draw, cock, and fire at the running rabbits. It was very good training.
Another good sling for carry and shooting is a Ching Sling. Have a Safari Ching Sling (2 point mount, a regular ching sling is a 3 point mount) on my 338 Marlin Express and love it. Incredibly fast to sling up and stabilizes you extremely well. Makes a comfortable carry strap too. Is both a shooters sling and a carry sling.
Awhile back, I don't remember why, but I decided I needed a 25-35. Eventually I found a model 64 with the brightest bore I had ever seen, and at a reasonable price too. My old eyes aren't so good anymore but when I sighted on a target at 100 yds with the factory irons, I got a 2 3/8 inch group. I took it on an antelope hunt and dropped one with one shot. I hope to get a deer with it yet, but my health has gone downhill so we will see. When I got the rifle, I went on a quest for ammo and I managed to accumulate a few hundred factory rounds, and some bullets to reload, if necessary. Now if I can just improve the health issue a bit and get a deer to cooperate,...... 👍👍👍
I mostly use the Hornady Leverevolution ammo for my .30-30. I don't know if it gives it a better advantage over the round tip, but in my head it does. If I do get a .357 magnum or .44 magnum lever action rifle, I'll probably use that same Leverevolution ammo as well.
Well they are both wrong. To get technical they may make a design based on an existing cartridge , but they don't neck up or neck down an existing cartridge. They are all drawn from scratch to get the shape of the new designed cartridge.
I have to agree with you about Rabbit hunting to improve your big game hunting. Every year before the deer hunting season, my buddies and I go rabbit hunting and I have found that pulling through the target is for me easier than the established lead system. This is because it forces me to keep the rifle moving. With the established lead system, I found a tendency to stop as soon as I pull the trigger. I have never shot a deer on the run but antelope, on the other hand, I have killed 2. I start behind the moving animal and pull the trigger as I pass the aiming spot. With this, I have never missed since I learned the pull through technique. I have shot Cottontail, Jack Rabbit and mountain hare and my hunting buddies are amazed at how successful I am. In case you are wondering, using this system, the .375 Ruger will actually kill a Jack Rabbit! I used to take a .22 LR but most have been with my .270 winchester using Hornady Light Magnum factory loads. I bought a couple of boxes when they first became available and I am finally almost used up shooting Rabbits. I think that they are slilghtly Hotter than the Superperformance Hornadys that replaced them. I use them as a source of brass, so hunting rabbits just adds to my reloading supplies.
.270 has and always will be my go to caliber for deer.9 times out 10 they drop on the spot.hornet for smaller game.i really dont enjoy tracking blood trails,most of our kills are the last hour of the day....zero fun after dark.
I mount the "fat, pretty" slings backwards. This then requires carrying muzzle down. But I find that I'm not catching the barrel on overhanging limbs, and when time to use it, the hasty sling is quite doable without distraction. You do have to pay attention to where the muzzle is, but you should be doing that anyway. As an aside, I mount saddle scabbards hanging straight down from the front saddle fork. Not exactly traditional, but the rifle is always available, and you never lose it from "bouncing out", and you don't have a big lump under your leg while riding.
I shoot a 270 WSM, bought in the early 2000s. It is a great rifle, but ammunition is getting increasingly difficult to find and expensive. At this point, I view it as a dead cartridge. I wish I would have chosen a common cartridge.
Winchester still chambers both the Super Grade and the Featherweight in 270 WSM to this day and 300 WSM, as well as the 325 WSM IN THE Featherweight Ammo is scarce as well as brass. All have 1/10 twist and 24 inch barrels.
Hello from Germany love your show. Little overview how we shoot running boar. First training is king, at best with running boar target or in a shooting cinema. Second fast bullets and a good field of view can help a lot. And of course which kind of sighting system you use depends on you hunting ground and conditions. Last if cheating is possible do it. It is the good ethical shoot what we all are looking for. All the best and Waidmannsheil
We are shooting 100s if not 1000s here with the old 7.62x39...does wonders on them. Check out Tod Huey on RUclips. You don't need anything fast for them. With hogs, we don't care about ethics in Texas. Bottom line is eradication and 7.62x39 offers plenty of power and very affordable to shoot at a pest, especially when you're talking about such numbers.
222 magnum is a great rifle also the 225 is also a great rifle but impossible to get brass but love the rifle and will knock down anything if you can find some shells since they don’t make any that I can find thankfully I was able to find a die and 5 boxes of shells
For almost 30 years I used 270 weatherby mag and 270 win. 2 months ago at last I accepted 270 weatherby mag is not good at all. And 270 win always does the job way better. But 7mm weatherby shines almost in all conditions.
Hi ron,, was just wondering why the 17 wsm seems to have disappeared. Don't see any decent rifles or ammo anymore in this interesting caliber. You also mentioned 270 wsm fading out. I have a 25 wssm, rarely see ammo runs and when I do the original quality of the loads is lacking accuracy wise. Point of all this does winchester not care about people that have purchased these products? Second can we trust them that new cartridges in their rifles won't suffer the same fate?6.8western?
The 6.8 Western is even more of a good thing because it takes full advantage of case capacity by being able to utilize the highest BC and SD bullets in the .277 diameter because of fast twist barrels.
I have a semi-custom 270 WSM that shoots absolute bug holes. Should've gone with a 1:9 twist but I didn't. By far the best deer rifle I've ever owned. Personally I feel like a 30 or 338 is better for elk even though the 270 will do the job with good shot placement. If I needed another good deer rifle today I would not go with a 270 due to lack of bullet selection. The 7mm caliber is far more popular and easy to find component bullets. Something like a 7mm-300 Win Mag, 7mm PRC, or even a regular old 7mm Rem Mag with a match chamber and good reloading dies would be my preference over anything 270.
Excellent reasoning, 10-4. This is why I've landed on the 7mm as the best all-round caliber. Bullets light enough for small antelope and coyotes, heavy enough for extremely high B.C.s and deep penetration potential at long range and the biggest deer and antelope. My Borden Timberline 7mm Rem. Mag. is sub MOA and ready for anything anywhere.
Ron you need to look into the 270wsm loaded with 170gr Berger EOL bullets, swapping to a 26" 1:8 twist 3050fps at the barrel, looks pretty similar to the 6.8 Western SMH!
I've got a 338-06 that I just bought back in February. The only factory rifles I know of that were chambered for it were A Square and Weatherby. Weatherby was the only company that produced ammunition for the 338-06 to and since they've come out with the 338 RPM they not making 338-06 ammo anymore. Plus I've never seen factory ammo for the 338-06 anywhere so it's a good thing I hand load. I'll be hunting black bear with it this spring and deer,Elk and moose this fall and maybe if I'm lucky enough Bison also. 🤞🤞(PS I'm considering getting my 338-06 rechambered to 338-06 AI if I can find a set of dies)
25 years ago I had to make a choice 30 06 or a 270 I chose the 06 and I don't regret it. I have other rifles in different calibers but it's still my go too
My dad ran a 30-06 woods master, in the 70s and 80s, so when my brother and me started hunting in the late 80s, dad made sure we ran the 06 too. Easier to buy ammunition, and don't worry about wrong ammo in the wrong chamber. - he did like the 308 and 270. But we were 06 family. About the turn of the century my nephew showed up with a .243 - he shot a little buck. And I have been a fan of the 243 for deer ever since. (That 06, does a lot of damage).
The 6.8 Western is what the 270 WSM should have been. Unfortunately. The WSM will fade off into the sunset with the high BC cartridges being as good as they are.
I'll never forget seeing a 90 year old get a headshot on a doe at 75 yards running through thick trees and saplings on the side of a hill. It kicked all the way down the hill damn near ended up at our feet.
Greetings from Finland Ron. I have been watching your videos for a while and noticed how different hunting is on the other side of the pond. Thats interesting to learn about, even though some of the information is of no practical use for me. You have also talked about european driven boar hunting, but i was wondering what are your toughts on driven moose hunting? Here in Finland we don't hunt boar much but moose hunt is the big thing every year for hunters. Last year our village hunting club shot 20 moose, around 1 for every hunter. Im also curious, if you were to ever take part in a driven moose hunt what would be your weapon of choice? I myself use a Tikka t3x in 9,3x62 with a meopta 1-6 scope and lapua naturalis 250gr copper bullet, and of course a supressor to protect the hearing of myself and my dog.
Moose hunting over here is and likely always was a stalking or still-hunting affair, meaning we look for or call in a bull and then shoot it, one on one. Drive hunts for the abundant whitetail deer were once quite popular, but that has faded away largely because most hunters are confined to small properties from which they do not want the deer disturbed or pushed. So they sit quietly in blinds or hides, often elevated to control scent dispersion. Of the 6 or so moose I've shot, none were driven or running. Two were taken with 30-06, one with 280 AI, one with 6.5-06, one with 300 WSM, one with 270 WSM. Were I shooting driven moose, I think I'd try your 9.3x62 or its near ballistic twin, 35 Whelen. Sounds like an exciting hunt over there. Never been to Finland, but I flew over en route home from St. Petersburg once.
Shot a handful of 110gr none lead in my 308 as a test. 3400fps without pressure signs. Would agree they seem more like a 300blk slug. Had a couple slugs damage a steel bullet trap at that speed. Not sure how they would fare on game due to ridiculous speed.
270wsm should be more popular. Probably will only fade away though unfortunately. Love it.
One of my favorites
It needs a stout bullet in my experience otherwise it’s hard on meat but yeah it’s a hammer!
@@danielrobey1759 change the twist rate and throat it for the heavies.
Seems to be doing better than 6.8 western lol
I've bought one in 2004, and everything goes three feet when hit. Straight down. Hahaha. I've shot bull elk with it in 130 gr Barnes and it left nothing wanting. One double lung with a silver dollar size exit, and the second shot was a high shoulder and it went through the shoulders, spine, and came to rest under the off side hide. Picture perfect mushroom, weighed 128 grains so basically just lost the plastic tip. Love mine
The 270 WSM is one of the best big game rifle. I've ever use I've kill elk and mule deer with the 270 WSM it kills like lightning never lost one and deadly out to 400 yds and deadly on moose. Great rifle
The 270WSM is a cartridge, what rifle do you have?
I had one in Tika! Love it!!!
Do you know where I can get ammo for the 270wsm in 150 grain?
@@ChronicalsofAlI’ll answer since he hasn’t I’ve only killed large pibes here in Texas and white tail deer unfortunately haven’t gone to hunt yet elk yet but my rifle is a Winchester model 70 in 270 WSM only payed $350. Bucks at Walmart many years ago when I started hunting was my firs rifle and has been my go to to get the job done even though I have some amazing rifles now
@@Phillip-mm2lh yes sir only way I can find any is choice ammunition out of Montana 100 a box but u can get 150 grain noslor partitions they have them in stock I think they load accubonds too
You’re right Ron .270 is hard to beat. I love mine. Crushes deer 👍 love your channel
You are the most humble and knowledgeable person in the hunting/firearm community that I am aware of sir! Please keep up the good work you do! Peace and Grace!
love my.270
Thank you Zechnar, and thanks for being a regular listener.
I hope you are a Christian, because I want to hunt with you in heaven!!!
right Ron, I shoot a 270 and 3006 and have necked down 06 to 270 and the neck gets longer in the neck size down process. Yeah, the Brass has to go some where.
Thanks, Ron for the humility. I look at it this way: to me, it is pretty much a fact that you've probably forgotten more rifle cartridge knowledge than I will ever learn in two lifetimes. I really don't think that it is necessary for the rebuke, although intentions are probably not meant to accuse. I am blessed to gain good knowledge from RSO and want to see you continue to be this source of rifle and cartridge history. So thanks Ron for the content. My family and I watch everything because we like it, plain and simple and I'm gonna leave it at that.
Running jackrabbits... it reminds me of when I was a kid we used to shoot skeet with .22's. While shot shells weren't expensive, we all had .22's ammunition was cheaper, and we definitely all knew about the factory exhibition shooters (which might be a great podcast for you, Ron).
This, btw was out west, and the backstop was a mountain. we weren't just shooting in the air 😮.
That's funny me to when I use to show up to shot at work I would set clay target's out to 100 yards and then pull out a 22 pistol and the guys would go no way and then I would start shooting the clays they were amazed but it was no big deal to me my dad put me in competition shooting when I was hmm I don't remember very young but I got pertty good but not as good now don't have the eyes anymore.
your a prime example of what we should strive to be!
Thank you for that kind compliment. Hope I can live up to it.
it's you're, short for 'you are' (he's a former English teacher, allegedly)
Thank you Ruger! I have a Steyr SL chambered in .222 Rem Mag.
I used to search high and low for brass. Now? I buy .204 Ruger brass, and I’ve got a huge supply of brass for my Steyr!
We love you, Ron. Don't sweat small mistakes.
I appreciate the moral support!
We love ya Ron people wait for micro mistakes so they can pounce. Makes themselves feel mightier. If they only had your experience they would not do this kind of thing it would be opps I know what he ment take care good hunting and god bless
Thank you Ron. Always good things to learn.
Hey Ron, saw your interview with Hickock 45 yesterday, enjoyed it very much. Todays talk was a good one too! 😉 I’m not a Hunter but have been a shooter my whole life. BB guns as a child and pistols as an adult. Would like to explore long guns now that I’m older and really enjoy your talks!
Mr Ron Winchester still chambers rifles in 270wsm I have 2 rifles in 270WSM and they are my go to for deer hunting I also have a 7mm WSM and a 300WSM
Hi Ron enjoy the information you share on your pod casts. Talk to us about cut rifle barrels and button rifle barrels, copper bullets. Heat treating of rifle barrels, crygenics treating. 6mm bullets for hunting an accuracy. Best rifle barrel makers today.
I just got a new tikka t3x in 270 wsm. My plan is to get a prefit barrel with a 1:8" twist to make it a super velocity 6.8 western. It's so easy to make the "short action" tikka into a long action, which will allow me to load the 165 ablr at 3.2" and maximize the extra case capacity afforded by the wsm case over the 6.8 western. Should be the ideal .277 in my opinion.
As for the 338/06,I really want to build one up.I am a big fan of old African hunting books and became enamored with the 318 Westley Richards and how well it performed on game over there,often punch up out of it's weight class.I plan on taking a trip over there, hopefully soon,and want a 338/06 as my general purpose carry rifle,because it's essentially the same round,just uses .338 bullets instead of .330.I think the reason it's not more popular is for two other rounds,the 35 Whelen and the 338 Winchester.Both are great rounds but the 338/06 offers advantages over both.I say all of that just to say this,it's a shame it's not more popular than it is,it's a great round.
Once again a great video Ron. Very soon I’ll be heading out to the bush for black bear season once again with my trustee 30-06. Have a good one Ron!
Why are there no .23 or .29 calibers?
@@ChristopherEDenton what’s with the randomness of your question that has nothing to do with my comment haha.
@@ChristopherEDenton I've been asking that lately
I've got to start putting together a new cartridge collection. I used to have a pretty good assortment of different calibers including four WW2 issue 455 Webleys, a 221 Fireball, 22 Jet and some other obsolete cartridges but I lost all of them in a house fire back in 2004. My pride and joy of the collection was a 270 gr SP in 375 H&H mag and a 750 gr 50 BMG. With the price and shortage of different calibers these days it's gonna be hard to find a lot of the older calibers. I've always been a huge cartridge nerd, even when I was little. You might remember when Remington used to send out their cartridge catalog with the full color, correct size photos of all of their cartridges, both handgun and rifle. That was in the early 70's and was my favorite catalog, even better to me than the Sears toy catalog. I wish that cartridge companies still sent out catalogs like that. I was and still am fascinated by all of the different lengths and diameters of all the cartridges. I also used to spend hours looking at the pictures and comparing the ballistics of the wide variety of bullet weights. I love your collection,especially the big bore African cartridges. They were and still are fascinating to look at and read about because of the size and sheer power they produce. I hope your African hunt goes well. For now I'll have to live vicariously through you and your adventures. Keep up the great videos. I look forward to each new one.
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Have 270 wsm… I have 130 tsx… deer elk hammer… have other calibers and love picking it up when it gets. Turn… always did the job and had one shot out at 413 yards, delivered meat to table lead free
I enjoy watching and listening to you. You don't have a big ego like some do. You stay humble. Great job. May the Lord be with you. P.S. Henry currently makes a 38-55
Thanks David. I have a reasonably healthy ego, but I temper it with the knowledge that I'm no more important than anyone else. Best I can do is share what few talents I have and be responsive to learn from others. Cheers.
270 pump with old weaver scope with a post has been my go to rifle for white tail. 130 grain and one shot every time
Great content. Thanks Ron
Ron if you look at the Winchester Repeating Arms site, they still list the 270 WSM and the 300 WSM in some models of the Winchester model 70 current production. The Long-Range MB and the Extreme Weather MB are two of them.
I shot a pig running with my 270 Win. at 80 yards this year, with 150 grain Nosler ballistic silver tip. Pigs are hard to hit running.
love my .270
Nice shooting
Hard but must Just Training in the Shooting Cinema
Oh feck me mate what do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on give yourself a pat on the back then try to shoot a rabbit at 100 yds on the run with a 22 mag lmfao what a tool
Thanks for all of the great hunting videos, Ron! I’m a hog/boar hunter myself and I appreciate and take into account all of the tips I can get! Have a good one Ron
I love Hornady 105gra BTHP in the 6mm Creedmoor! It's a deer dropper.
Ron, you're a great guy. I always enjoy your videos and your personality. Keep up the great work. God bless.
Thank you, Joe.
thanks for all you do bud.
Excellent video Ron. 👍👍
I hunt with my grandfathers 270. In the Free State (South Africa) where I live I have shot almost all plains game here. I use 130gr accubond bullets
Stalking Whitetail deer in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan I used a Remington 742 Carbine for several years until I started using a 16" Winchester 94 Trapper 30-30 with a 1.75X scope. Most shots are under 60 yards.
Another good one, Ron.
Ron, excellent explanation on the details of the development of the 270 Win! I too have often thought Winchester simply used the 30-03 due to the identical case lengths. But, the suggestion of simply resizing a 30-06 and due to the flow of brass in the sizing process results in a proper length 270 Win makes the most sense. Good information there, thank you!
Ron you are Great thank you for always being honest and pointing out your mistakes
Thank you missey.
I try to watch all your videos I learn from them even if I am getting old
The best advice I can give anyone if you don't reload buy a reading book it will tell you all you need to get started
The 3003 , 3006 - 270 , very well explained ! Thanks Ron !…….
If you set a clay thrower up for rabbits to simulate the head and use a .17hmr or .17wsm it mimics the velocity of most centerfire rifles and you can practice all day
Man wow, great worl
243 with a 95 ballistic tip has worked great for me for deer with the 6 creed I bet that eldx would rock
love your vids sir!
I love my 338-06. 185gr tsx or the 210gr partitions are hammers. Elk, black bear, whitetail and hogs. Out to 350yards with a 4-14 Arken is serious meat producer.
Good one
I use a 270WSM case cut off at the shoulder and filled with lead as a projectile in a custom 550 Magnum.
I use SD when comparing bullets of different calibers. As long as they are of similar shape (drag) it will be apples to apples 👍🏽
The only running whitetail I’ve ever shot was with a Winchester 94 and a Lyman peep sight. The deer was at a full run at about 40 yds. It was just like a crossing shot on a goose. Start behind, pull through, as the front bead passed his nose pulled the trigger . Kept the gun moving. Shot right through the front of the chest. Tumbled and DRT.
I love you my Brother in arms. I appreciate your podcasts . No such thing as a old dog that can't learn new tricks. at least for me. I find it funny listening to some of the people that write in . If there bias , well there bias to what ever wiz bang they own , Just wish some of them didn't get quit so worked up over fine details , Not everything in hunting and shooting is cut and dry .Keep up the good work sir. Thank you
Thank you sir!
Hey Ron, I was wondering if you have, or are planning on doing an episode for beginner reloaders? Well…pre-beginners, really. I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around what to look for, but I think maybe it would be beneficial for a lot of us to have a comprehensive, simplified step by step list of what to get, where to start, etc. Kinda like you’re explaining it to a 6 year old. Thanks!
Cobin, I've done that video, but have to keep it on RSOTV, my subscription channel, due to YT restrictions. You can join RSOTV here: www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/rsotv-landing-page
@@RonSpomerOutdoors aw man…youtube….anyway, thanks Comrade, I’ll check it out!
I agree with you on the 338 federal and 358 Win. Real stoppers! Puts them down fast!
Love this! Love your shows, always informative and entertaining. Now my somewhat rhetorical question is, how long will it be before all manufacturers start going to a fast twist, finally. Would love to see a ftr .270 in a low budget rifle like the Ruger American or Savage (axis?). Great episode! Long live the .270!
On 6mm Creedmoor I've had very good results with the Hornady 105 grain BTHP even at 200 plus yards
I suspect that part of the reason the 270 WSM did not take off is that the market was flooded with similar cartridges. The 270 WSM, 7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 300 WSM, 300 SAUM all came out at about the same time. With three cartridges having very similar performance (270 and 7mm rounds ) the market was split and none of the three gained a large enough market share to break away from the pack. On the other hand, the 300 WSM seemed to gain significant traction and several manufacturers still produce rifles and ammo, so the lawsuit is not the only reason that some of the others did not become popular.
shame because the 7wsm was possibly the best of the short mags followed by the 7saum
@@stanleysanders9099 I remember that the 7 SAUM was preferred by some long-range shooters for its longer neck and superior chamber design (the SAAMI-spec WSM's do not have a freebore section to hold the bullet in alignment as the rifling is engraved)*. The Short Mags were the last hurrah of the shoot-light-bullet-fast design school (140grains for 7mm, 150 for .30 cal) and kept to 308-class length (2.825 -2.86" max). They came out just before the switch to faster twist barrels and long, high-BC bullets. At the time, long range accuracy was not as important as speed, and the WSM's had the largest cases to win the velocity-war. Some of the original comparison articles didn't even mention accuracy, only velocity numbers.
*Winchester later adopted this chamber design for the 6.8 Western, so even they eventually realized its advantages.
130 to 150 grain it's hard to beat a 270 wsm my 7mm wsm shoots 180 gr bergers decent enough to bust a white tail with 1moa with 9 1/2 twist
@@jmgates09 Do your WSM's shoot accurately with many loads, or did they take a fair amount of load development to find a bullet/powder combination that shoot small groups? I ask this because the WSM's were about the last US cartridges to use the old (30-06) style taper-only throat design which can be relatively picky as to which loads they shoot accurately.
Winchester (and Federal for its 338) stuck to this old design long after everyone else switched to the "match-style" chambers that have a section of tight freebore to align the bullet with the bore prior to and during rifling engagement.
Thanks
And let's not forget about the 270 STW! Lol
wow the timing is impeccable, I shot my first Russian boar yesterday and had to take a running shot
I didn't know about the 270wsm lawsuit. I also always wondered why it wasn't more popular. I've been using it for years now in the northern plains of Montana for deer and antelope. I used 270 win and 25/06 for years but found I could reach out a bit farther with the WSM.
Too bad you can't find 270wsm ammo in mt any more, used to be everywhere. Switched to 7prc this year.
Choice ammunition has some good 270 wsm ammo HIGH though
Do you know where I can get ammo for the 270wsm? 150 grain
Google Choice Ammunition for 100 bucks u can get a box of 150 vld bbergers or accubonds
I like my 270 because I can find lots of brass for it . The guys who own 270 WSM can't say the same thing today . Its all going to the 6.8 Western. Sorry guys they are promoting the new bell and whistle 6.8 and your out of luck for cases unless you can find over priced factory loads to shoot and reload .
You talking about hunting rabbits with a twenty-two brought back memories of my early law enforcement years. I hunted rabbits with a twenty-two River single six pistol. I carried it in a hip holster and, when a rabbit jumped up, I would draw, cock, and fire at the running rabbits. It was very good training.
100% on the origin of the 270. People seem to forget neck dimension change with necking up or down. And not just diameter.
Your 100% right I've done it many times. That's WHT I've been told years ago.
To get a moose license in Norway you have to hit a moving target. Shotgun with slug will do in a pig big time.
Another good sling for carry and shooting is a Ching Sling. Have a Safari Ching Sling (2 point mount, a regular ching sling is a 3 point mount) on my 338 Marlin Express and love it. Incredibly fast to sling up and stabilizes you extremely well. Makes a comfortable carry strap too. Is both a shooters sling and a carry sling.
Awhile back, I don't remember why, but I decided I needed a 25-35. Eventually I found a model 64 with the brightest bore I had ever seen, and at a reasonable price too. My old eyes aren't so good anymore but when I sighted on a target at 100 yds with the factory irons, I got a 2 3/8 inch group. I took it on an antelope hunt and dropped one with one shot. I hope to get a deer with it yet, but my health has gone downhill so we will see. When I got the rifle, I went on a quest for ammo and I managed to accumulate a few hundred factory rounds, and some bullets to reload, if necessary. Now if I can just improve the health issue a bit and get a deer to cooperate,...... 👍👍👍
Good luck with all that, Fed Up. Seems your eyes are still good.
105grain VLD Hunting for the 6mm CM is a rockin load.
Glad you got the pig, me I use a 45-70 government it's a Henary golden boy and I use 430gr hard cast in hogs & black& brown bears
Golden boys are only .22, you more than likely have a henry big boy w/ gun metal receiver.
I hunt squirrels with blowgun darts and bb guns.........shot placement is key
I mostly use the Hornady Leverevolution ammo for my .30-30. I don't know if it gives it a better advantage over the round tip, but in my head it does. If I do get a .357 magnum or .44 magnum lever action rifle, I'll probably use that same Leverevolution ammo as well.
Smart, Aaron. Having supreme confidence in your ammo/bullet contributes mightily to success.
Thanks.
I always appreciate suggestions.
I think I have seen that same 30-03 bully picking fights on other channels.
Well they are both wrong. To get technical they may make a design based on an existing cartridge , but they don't neck up or neck down an existing cartridge. They are all drawn from scratch to get the shape of the new designed cartridge.
I have to agree with you about Rabbit hunting to improve your big game hunting. Every year before the deer hunting season, my buddies and I go rabbit hunting and I have found that pulling through the target is for me easier than the established lead system. This is because it forces me to keep the rifle moving. With the established lead system, I found a tendency to stop as soon as I pull the trigger. I have never shot a deer on the run but antelope, on the other hand, I have killed 2. I start behind the moving animal and pull the trigger as I pass the aiming spot. With this, I have never missed since I learned the pull through technique. I have shot Cottontail, Jack Rabbit and mountain hare and my hunting buddies are amazed at how successful I am. In case you are wondering, using this system, the .375 Ruger will actually kill a Jack Rabbit! I used to take a .22 LR but most have been with my .270 winchester using Hornady Light Magnum factory loads. I bought a couple of boxes when they first became available and I am finally almost used up shooting Rabbits. I think that they are slilghtly Hotter than the Superperformance Hornadys that replaced them. I use them as a source of brass, so hunting rabbits just adds to my reloading supplies.
.270 has and always will be my go to caliber for deer.9 times out 10 they drop on the spot.hornet for smaller game.i really dont enjoy tracking blood trails,most of our kills are the last hour of the day....zero fun after dark.
I wish I still had my 270wsm. I miss it
I mount the "fat, pretty" slings backwards. This then requires carrying muzzle down. But I find that I'm not catching the barrel on overhanging limbs, and when time to use it, the hasty sling is quite doable without distraction. You do have to pay attention to where the muzzle is, but you should be doing that anyway. As an aside, I mount saddle scabbards hanging straight down from the front saddle fork. Not exactly traditional, but the rifle is always available, and you never lose it from "bouncing out", and you don't have a big lump under your leg while riding.
I shoot a 270 WSM, bought in the early 2000s. It is a great rifle, but ammunition is getting increasingly difficult to find and expensive. At this point, I view it as a dead cartridge. I wish I would have chosen a common cartridge.
Winchester still chambers both the Super Grade and the Featherweight in 270 WSM to this day and 300 WSM, as well as the 325 WSM IN THE Featherweight Ammo is scarce as well as brass. All have 1/10 twist and 24 inch barrels.
Hello from Germany love your show.
Little overview how we shoot running boar.
First training is king, at best with running boar target or in a shooting cinema.
Second fast bullets and a good field of view can help a lot. And of course which kind of sighting system you use depends on you hunting ground and conditions.
Last if cheating is possible do it. It is the good ethical shoot what
we all are looking for.
All the best and Waidmannsheil
We are shooting 100s if not 1000s here with the old 7.62x39...does wonders on them. Check out Tod Huey on RUclips. You don't need anything fast for them. With hogs, we don't care about ethics in Texas. Bottom line is eradication and 7.62x39 offers plenty of power and very affordable to shoot at a pest, especially when you're talking about such numbers.
222 magnum is a great rifle also the 225 is also a great rifle but impossible to get brass but love the rifle and will knock down anything if you can find some shells since they don’t make any that I can find thankfully I was able to find a die and 5 boxes of shells
Gene and Barry Wensel.They where taking running shots white tails with bow and arrow. In montana
For almost 30 years I used 270 weatherby mag and 270 win. 2 months ago at last I accepted 270 weatherby mag is not good at all. And 270 win always does the job way better.
But 7mm weatherby shines almost in all conditions.
Maybe I didn’t hear right but last I checked Browning and Winchester websites they are still chambering the 270 WSM.
Tikka also chambers in 270wsm
It has survived, but just is not selling in big numbers.
And others.. it n the 300 n in some the 325 are still around
Hi ron,, was just wondering why the 17 wsm seems to have disappeared. Don't see any decent rifles or ammo anymore in this interesting caliber.
You also mentioned 270 wsm fading out. I have a 25 wssm, rarely see ammo runs and when I do the original quality of the loads is lacking accuracy wise.
Point of all this does winchester not care about people that have purchased these products? Second can we trust them that new cartridges in their rifles won't suffer the same fate?6.8western?
The 6.8 Western is even more of a good thing because it takes full advantage of case capacity by being able to utilize the highest BC and SD bullets in the .277 diameter because of fast twist barrels.
I have a semi-custom 270 WSM that shoots absolute bug holes. Should've gone with a 1:9 twist but I didn't. By far the best deer rifle I've ever owned. Personally I feel like a 30 or 338 is better for elk even though the 270 will do the job with good shot placement. If I needed another good deer rifle today I would not go with a 270 due to lack of bullet selection. The 7mm caliber is far more popular and easy to find component bullets. Something like a 7mm-300 Win Mag, 7mm PRC, or even a regular old 7mm Rem Mag with a match chamber and good reloading dies would be my preference over anything 270.
Excellent reasoning, 10-4. This is why I've landed on the 7mm as the best all-round caliber. Bullets light enough for small antelope and coyotes, heavy enough for extremely high B.C.s and deep penetration potential at long range and the biggest deer and antelope. My Borden Timberline 7mm Rem. Mag. is sub MOA and ready for anything anywhere.
Hi Ron
Ron you need to look into the 270wsm loaded with 170gr Berger EOL bullets, swapping to a 26" 1:8 twist 3050fps at the barrel, looks pretty similar to the 6.8 Western SMH!
My late father liked the .204 but he was a gunsmith and he built a 20ppc and he raved about it
Winchester chambered the 1895 in 30-03 and 30-06 at the same time. Several companies also loaded '03 ammunition until the 20's at least.
DIdn't know that, Cory. Thanks!
I've got a 338-06 that I just bought back in February. The only factory rifles I know of that were chambered for it were A Square and Weatherby. Weatherby was the only company that produced ammunition for the 338-06 to and since they've come out with the 338 RPM they not making 338-06 ammo anymore. Plus I've never seen factory ammo for the 338-06 anywhere so it's a good thing I hand load. I'll be hunting black bear with it this spring and deer,Elk and moose this fall and maybe if I'm lucky enough Bison also. 🤞🤞(PS I'm considering getting my 338-06 rechambered to 338-06 AI if I can find a set of dies)
Nosler has 3 dif. loads for the 338-06 A-Square cartridge and Hendershots loads it, too.
25 years ago I had to make a choice 30 06 or a 270 I chose the 06 and I don't regret it. I have other rifles in different calibers but it's still my go too
You might if you had a .270 as well. I have both and the .270 is my favorite.
Both rifles are good for most game
My dad ran a 30-06 woods master, in the 70s and 80s, so when my brother and me started hunting in the late 80s, dad made sure we ran the 06 too. Easier to buy ammunition, and don't worry about wrong ammo in the wrong chamber. - he did like the 308 and 270. But we were 06 family.
About the turn of the century my nephew showed up with a .243 - he shot a little buck. And I have been a fan of the 243 for deer ever since. (That 06, does a lot of damage).
The 6.8 Western is what the 270 WSM should have been. Unfortunately. The WSM will fade off into the sunset with the high BC cartridges being as good as they are.
I think the military slings are the most versatile they are not quick to change but they’re cool and practical
300 BO; 130, 125, are a better choice than 150. Better Accuracy and speed. 150g in 300 black out mediocre. Heavier or lighter does the trick.
Hi Ron love your show have you ever done anything on the 44-40
I've discussed it in several blogs on my website and have included it in some videos, but haven't done a stand alone video on it.
The 30-03 would be the grandparent of the 270 win😅😅
I'll never forget seeing a 90 year old get a headshot on a doe at 75 yards running through thick trees and saplings on the side of a hill. It kicked all the way down the hill damn near ended up at our feet.
How about the .219 donaldson wasp
Add a boy Ron politely setting the Boss man straight
It did not last long; 30-03, 30-06 lasted and lasted. Still my favorite all around Cartridge.
Greetings from Finland Ron. I have been watching your videos for a while and noticed how different hunting is on the other side of the pond. Thats interesting to learn about, even though some of the information is of no practical use for me. You have also talked about european driven boar hunting, but i was wondering what are your toughts on driven moose hunting? Here in Finland we don't hunt boar much but moose hunt is the big thing every year for hunters. Last year our village hunting club shot 20 moose, around 1 for every hunter. Im also curious, if you were to ever take part in a driven moose hunt what would be your weapon of choice? I myself use a Tikka t3x in 9,3x62 with a meopta 1-6 scope and lapua naturalis 250gr copper bullet, and of course a supressor to protect the hearing of myself and my dog.
Moose hunting over here is and likely always was a stalking or still-hunting affair, meaning we look for or call in a bull and then shoot it, one on one. Drive hunts for the abundant whitetail deer were once quite popular, but that has faded away largely because most hunters are confined to small properties from which they do not want the deer disturbed or pushed. So they sit quietly in blinds or hides, often elevated to control scent dispersion. Of the 6 or so moose I've shot, none were driven or running. Two were taken with 30-06, one with 280 AI, one with 6.5-06, one with 300 WSM, one with 270 WSM. Were I shooting driven moose, I think I'd try your 9.3x62 or its near ballistic twin, 35 Whelen. Sounds like an exciting hunt over there. Never been to Finland, but I flew over en route home from St. Petersburg once.
Look at hammer bullets for the 6mm. 70g Hammer Hunter for the win.
The FOURTH EDITION HORNADY HANDBOOK HAS A LOAD FOR THE 270 WEATHERBY FOR A 130 GR AT 3400 FPS USING RL22 POWDER.
Shot a handful of 110gr none lead in my 308 as a test. 3400fps without pressure signs. Would agree they seem more like a 300blk slug. Had a couple slugs damage a steel bullet trap at that speed. Not sure how they would fare on game due to ridiculous speed.
looking at rue balletic charts, the 7.65x5 Argentine looks very similar to the .308.