@GI3BO quiet easy: That's Touristenfahrten (tourist rides) and in that there's no "racing line". By taking part in the Touristenfahrten you agree to retain the rules of road regulations. And this means for example you have to drive on the right side of the track, overtake with care and be able to stop within the way of sight. It's not the best point to stop without anyone warning before but that doesn't take the responsibility from the drivers.
@@renegraff795 Guys, you're all missing the point. You can be in the right all day long - when someone crashes into you, you're still dead. And chances that someone is driving too fast and not paying attention are quite high on the ring. That's why it's a bad idea to halt your vehicle there without having any prior warning signs - no matter how "right" you are.
I had wondered if it was just me. I came through there at around the exact same time. I had to stamp on the anchors and wondered if I had missed a yellow, turns out I hadn't.
OMFG!! Those Ring marshalls have done that several times before in the past. Stopping and start waving a flag in an IMPOSSIBLE to see location, right after a corner instead of before! That caused heavy accidents before. Archh!!! He should wave yellow before the turn-in point of Aremberg. Glad you could avoid him
That's plain stupid coming from the Marshall's ...They are at risk in a situation like this... It will not be a high speed crash but it can be enough to injure or kill someone...
Unpopulair opinion: Its not a track they will say. It is a one way public toll road with kerbstones. In the past some very big incidents have happened when they decided to do maintenance in a corner. Police report will just state "speeding" and thats it.
There's no documentation that the ring was ever commissioned as a public road. Somebody made an inquiry to the local government about that topic and they couldn't find any documents supporting that claim. So it is a privat road that is open to the public by paying a fee
@@no-damn-aliasWithin the "Touristenfahrten" the track owner made the road regulations part of their terms of use and you agree to retain them. So it's no need for the track to being ever commissioned as a public road.
@@renegraff795 Even on a public road you wouldn't expect a road worker or even police intervention at the exit of a corner without some kind of warning in the form of pylons or a signal truck depending on the speed of the road.
Thats 9000rpm you seem to have there. Great angle for capturing these guys. Have had exactly the same, complained about it and they arrogantly threatened to ban me. Those were the days back in the early 2000's.....nothing changed.
Another reminder to keep your eyes up through the whole corner. At 1:09 you can see the car through the corner, but you were still on throttle for almost 2 seconds. Good save to avoid him..
It takes time to process a stading still car on track, especially if u dont expect it. I think many drivers wont be able to anticipate faster than this driver.
While yellows should have been out. I was also of the same mind as to where the driver was looking. The A-Pillar may have blocked the view for a moment. But only a moment. Both ends of the video need to review their actions.
Right hand drive car so driver had slightly less time to notice than the dashcam point of view or a left hand drive car would have in that circumstance. Driver was slightly delayed reacting but with so much to take in with a situation like that it happens.
@@Grandpasaabzum Teil stimmt das aber auf der Nordschleife oder irgendeiner anderen Rennstrecke musst du alles erwarten😅😅😅 und das jederzeit hinter jeder Kurve hinter jeder Kuppe
For anybody claiming it would've been the cammers fault no matter what because it is a public road There's no documentation that the ring was ever commissioned as a public road. Somebody made an inquiry to the local government about that topic and they couldn't find any documents supporting that claim. So it is a privat road that is open to the public by paying a fee and now you can argue from there that this privat road has the character of a race track and driving faster than you could stop in the distance that you can see is a reasonable and expected thing to do on a racetrack. Thereby warranting the operator of said track to take precautions whatever they might be
@@manuelventura3799 Correct. It is considered a toll road for tourist driving, hence all regular road rules apply; e.g. overtaking only on left, having a road legal car, etc. Yellows are also not exceptionally common, since there's not enough personel to man all the posts, so you as the driver must drive safe enough. The marshal car setting up camp there is a whole different matter, that is just a terrible place.
@@manuelventura3799 they can claim whatever they want. Even the local government acknowledged that it is a common misconception and when in doubt, I'll believe them because I'll sit in their court when it comes down.
@@manuelventura3799 They may do such thing and nothing stops them doing that but that doesn't release them of their responsibility. You may drive faster on the Autobahn then you can stop in the visible distance as per German road regulations as long as you can see the taillights of the car in front of you.
Wie kann ich nur so dumm sein das Fahrzeug dort so zu parken😢😢 bringen sich dort an dieser Stelle durch dieses dumme parken selbst in Lebensgefahr😮 man hätte das Fahrzeug ganz locker links auf der Grasnarbe parken können 1:12
Yup. idiots here saying RING PERSONAL BAD haven't been around the block a few times (and don't know traffic laws, which are applicable during TF). If you hit that guy, it's YOUR responsibility, even if they don't have the yellow up yet.
@@ZenzDeluxe Yes. And STILL the guys in yellow should know better and not park their cars at the end of a tight corner on the racing line with no prior warnings (yellow lights, flags etc)... because not everyone is 100% attentive all the time. Calling people idiots for pointing that out is not very nice.
Wenn an dieser Stelle anstatt das Porsche ein schnelles Motorrad gekommen wäre😮 dann wäre mit großer Wahrscheinlichkeit der motorradfahrer gestürzt😢 und dann möchte ich den Streckenposten der mitten auf der Straße steht oder dumm am Straßenrand mal sehen wenn der Motorradfahrer gestorben wäre wenn es dazu Videoaufnahmen gegeben hätte
"OSHA defines a near miss as an incident in which no property was damaged and no personal injury was sustained, but where, given a slight shift in time or position, damage or injury easily could have occurred. Near misses also may be referred to as near accidents, accident precursors, injury-free events and, in the case of moving objects, near collisions." You’re welcome!
A common mistake ia that people think "Touristenfahrten" is a track day. It simply isn't. The terms of use for this occasion says that the german road regulations (StVO) are to be retained. And with participating in Touristenfahrten you agree to this terms of use. In all fairness, it's not the best spot to place a car without a pre-warning but that doesn't free the participants from being attentive.
@@aaarggh I´m 100% with you in that very special case. My point was that every week you can see enough people that don´t have the skills of this guy and drive beyond their abilities.
He has hazard lights on and a yellow vest. If you saw him too late, maybe you are going to fast for this street section. And normal people dont overtake in a blond corner, you never know whats behind.
The whole setup is an amateur hour, waiting for the biggest accident ever. How long before they get truly serious and run these events as proper track days, with some licence requirements.
uhu okay made your point, now delete tbh.. its these kinda uploads that fuckup the track in the long term. like i said, you made that point, next time you go to the front office, share the footage. instead of facebook and now on yt.
Imho is that a good example why you should be always be prepared for the unexpected. It isn‘t a Track day - it‘s just Touristenfahrten. Why delete a valuable lesson for fellow drivers?
Very close. If your vision had been obscured just through positioning that could have been horrific. I hope they implement some changes so this can’t happen again. Great driving.
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That's insane! He's ON THE LINE!
This is pretty much a death wish
That should be investigated. Ring personnel should know better and exercise better safety precautions.
no investigation required. hes in the right (the staff member)
@@MikeSmith-rd9fiplease elaborate
@@MikeSmith-rd9fi parked on the racing line and no yellow flags being waved, I'll have some of whatever you're on mate
@GI3BO quiet easy: That's Touristenfahrten (tourist rides) and in that there's no "racing line". By taking part in the Touristenfahrten you agree to retain the rules of road regulations. And this means for example you have to drive on the right side of the track, overtake with care and be able to stop within the way of sight. It's not the best point to stop without anyone warning before but that doesn't take the responsibility from the drivers.
@@renegraff795 Guys, you're all missing the point.
You can be in the right all day long - when someone crashes into you, you're still dead.
And chances that someone is driving too fast and not paying attention are quite high on the ring.
That's why it's a bad idea to halt your vehicle there without having any prior warning signs - no matter how "right" you are.
Guy has a death wish stopping there
I had wondered if it was just me. I came through there at around the exact same time. I had to stamp on the anchors and wondered if I had missed a yellow, turns out I hadn't.
It’s a good thing most Ring drivers have quick reflexes otherwise this video would be censored. Good job!
OMFG!! Those Ring marshalls have done that several times before in the past. Stopping and start waving a flag in an IMPOSSIBLE to see location, right after a corner instead of before! That caused heavy accidents before. Archh!!! He should wave yellow before the turn-in point of Aremberg. Glad you could avoid him
Not only is he in an insanely dangerous spot, he is also with his back towards the traffic, having absolutely no visibility of what is going on! :o
what the!!!!!!!! that is crazy stupid by the worker.
WTF the lucky Marshall 😮. Nice ride i love this gt4, thanks for the lap Jonny it was amazing. Im the guy with the 7:46 Hyundai from Spain 😅
Hello my friend. This was the same night😮
He was half a second from his legs separating from his torso and loading himself into the boot
So lucky there mate, I'm glad you are ok
Thanks mate!!
That's plain stupid coming from the Marshall's ...They are at risk in a situation like this... It will not be a high speed crash but it can be enough to injure or kill someone...
Awesome response, but that is not acceptable, on any track. I've been on tracks 30+ years now, and never seen a worker to that.
Unpopulair opinion: Its not a track they will say. It is a one way public toll road with kerbstones. In the past some very big incidents have happened when they decided to do maintenance in a corner. Police report will just state "speeding" and thats it.
There's no documentation that the ring was ever commissioned as a public road. Somebody made an inquiry to the local government about that topic and they couldn't find any documents supporting that claim.
So it is a privat road that is open to the public by paying a fee
@@no-damn-alias with the Police enforcing the StVo ? I am afraid not.
@@no-damn-aliasWithin the "Touristenfahrten" the track owner made the road regulations part of their terms of use and you agree to retain them. So it's no need for the track to being ever commissioned as a public road.
@@renegraff795 Even on a public road you wouldn't expect a road worker or even police intervention at the exit of a corner without some kind of warning in the form of pylons or a signal truck depending on the speed of the road.
ai ai, in a exit of a corner without any marks at the start of the corner
Dude standing behind the car too! Squash!
Close call 😮😮😮
Guy needs sacking, for his own protection
No yellow but the eyes of the driver were too late on the right place too ;-)
One has to look ahead much further, but it's difficult with all other impulses to react to.
Why no advance warnings?
Four up in the red Jetta Mk2 in front. Could've been my old one.
Thats 9000rpm you seem to have there. Great angle for capturing these guys. Have had exactly the same, complained about it and they arrogantly threatened to ban me. Those were the days back in the early 2000's.....nothing changed.
this engine doesn't rev to 9000rpm
@@niklastp09 ok sounded like it, my bad
@rubbermoetroken it's fine mate. It's a GT4, so you get just under 8k revs. Still good fun though 👍
Scheißegal ob 8 oder 9000 Umdrehungen😂😂😂😂
Another reminder to keep your eyes up through the whole corner. At 1:09 you can see the car through the corner, but you were still on throttle for almost 2 seconds.
Good save to avoid him..
I agree but thats the camera pov. The driver may be sat further back, lower down with obstructions like the pillars.
It takes time to process a stading still car on track, especially if u dont expect it. I think many drivers wont be able to anticipate faster than this driver.
While yellows should have been out.
I was also of the same mind as to where the driver was looking. The A-Pillar may have blocked the view for a moment. But only a moment.
Both ends of the video need to review their actions.
Right hand drive car so driver had slightly less time to notice than the dashcam point of view or a left hand drive car would have in that circumstance. Driver was slightly delayed reacting but with so much to take in with a situation like that it happens.
@@Grandpasaabzum Teil stimmt das aber auf der Nordschleife oder irgendeiner anderen Rennstrecke musst du alles erwarten😅😅😅 und das jederzeit hinter jeder Kurve hinter jeder Kuppe
that's worrying, thanks for posting
For anybody claiming it would've been the cammers fault no matter what because it is a public road
There's no documentation that the ring was ever commissioned as a public road. Somebody made an inquiry to the local government about that topic and they couldn't find any documents supporting that claim.
So it is a privat road that is open to the public by paying a fee and now you can argue from there that this privat road has the character of a race track and driving faster than you could stop in the distance that you can see is a reasonable and expected thing to do on a racetrack. Thereby warranting the operator of said track to take precautions whatever they might be
Nah mate seen more experienced people than you say it is treated as a public road on open days
@@manuelventura3799 Correct. It is considered a toll road for tourist driving, hence all regular road rules apply; e.g. overtaking only on left, having a road legal car, etc.
Yellows are also not exceptionally common, since there's not enough personel to man all the posts, so you as the driver must drive safe enough.
The marshal car setting up camp there is a whole different matter, that is just a terrible place.
@@manuelventura3799 they can claim whatever they want. Even the local government acknowledged that it is a common misconception and when in doubt, I'll believe them because I'll sit in their court when it comes down.
@@no-damn-alias you see, but if that's true, then the Nürburgring states what rules inside their track, and they state, it has public road rules :)
@@manuelventura3799 They may do such thing and nothing stops them doing that but that doesn't release them of their responsibility. You may drive faster on the Autobahn then you can stop in the visible distance as per German road regulations as long as you can see the taillights of the car in front of you.
That was 01/07/2024? Cos I had a similar experience I think that’s why the shut down the track early
It was on Friday 28th June, just gone.
01:09 hazard becomes visible - 01:11 driver still commits to overtake and doesn't react till 01:12. lucky escape.
Unacceptable!
Wie kann ich nur so dumm sein das Fahrzeug dort so zu parken😢😢 bringen sich dort an dieser Stelle durch dieses dumme parken selbst in Lebensgefahr😮 man hätte das Fahrzeug ganz locker links auf der Grasnarbe parken können 1:12
Nice save fella
And it was in the shadows, I would have been distracted by the inside car
Where is the LED sign on the car and he should have put those cones down with the quickness
They’re probably relying too much on their AI accident protection system.
which assetto corsa mod is this? great driving btw
1:10 when the guy pops up
Scary !
No yellow light???
Oh man, that's bad!
this is why you watch the exit of a turn
Yup. idiots here saying RING PERSONAL BAD haven't been around the block a few times (and don't know traffic laws, which are applicable during TF). If you hit that guy, it's YOUR responsibility, even if they don't have the yellow up yet.
@@ZenzDeluxehe's on the racing line, stopped dead, stood outside his car. Hes an idiot regardless of who's fault it's be in an accident
@@ZenzDeluxe Yes. And STILL the guys in yellow should know better and not park their cars at the end of a tight corner on the racing line with no prior warnings (yellow lights, flags etc)... because not everyone is 100% attentive all the time. Calling people idiots for pointing that out is not very nice.
New pants please.
Thank you esp....
Deswegen herrscht auf deutschen, öffentlichen straßen das sichtfahrgebot
Camera car is driving far too fast obviously well over the speed limit 😮
My god... *LA MUERTEEEE*
That's a near hit ...
If your window was clean 😂
Wenn an dieser Stelle anstatt das Porsche ein schnelles Motorrad gekommen wäre😮 dann wäre mit großer Wahrscheinlichkeit der motorradfahrer gestürzt😢 und dann möchte ich den Streckenposten der mitten auf der Straße steht oder dumm am Straßenrand mal sehen wenn der Motorradfahrer gestorben wäre wenn es dazu Videoaufnahmen gegeben hätte
Video should have been 1 minute shorter.
It’s a ‘near hit’, not a ‘near miss’. A near miss is a hit. You’re welcome
"OSHA defines a near miss as an incident in which no property was damaged and no personal injury was sustained, but where, given a slight shift in time or position, damage or injury easily could have occurred. Near misses also may be referred to as near accidents, accident precursors, injury-free events and, in the case of moving objects, near collisions."
You’re welcome!
A common mistake ia that people think "Touristenfahrten" is a track day. It simply isn't. The terms of use for this occasion says that the german road regulations (StVO) are to be retained. And with participating in Touristenfahrten you agree to this terms of use.
In all fairness, it's not the best spot to place a car without a pre-warning but that doesn't free the participants from being attentive.
Everyone was attentive, that's why there was no accident. It's still very dangerous, and Ring personnel should know better.
@@aaarggh I´m 100% with you in that very special case. My point was that every week you can see enough people that don´t have the skills of this guy and drive beyond their abilities.
@@renegraff795 no arguments from my side here. I agree. And that's exactly why it's a bad idea to halt your car in that specific spot.
Why would you have Yellows, its not a race day and there are no Marshals, its basically a toll road with no speed limits when no one is racing
WTF
He has hazard lights on and a yellow vest. If you saw him too late, maybe you are going to fast for this street section. And normal people dont overtake in a blond corner, you never know whats behind.
The whole setup is an amateur hour, waiting for the biggest accident ever.
How long before they get truly serious and run these events as proper track days, with some licence requirements.
Yeah and I am near millionaire.😂
uhu okay made your point, now delete tbh.. its these kinda uploads that fuckup the track in the long term. like i said, you made that point, next time you go to the front office, share the footage. instead of facebook and now on yt.
Imho is that a good example why you should be always be prepared for the unexpected. It isn‘t a Track day - it‘s just Touristenfahrten. Why delete a valuable lesson for fellow drivers?
Very close. If your vision had been obscured just through positioning that could have been horrific. I hope they implement some changes so this can’t happen again. Great driving.
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Looks like it already has👍
01:10
For everyone who came here for the "near miss" and not 1:10 long boring driving. 🥲