I'm an Irish diaspora living in huntingdonshire (birthplace of Cromwell). It's amazing how many people here still think of that extremist zealot fanatic as a hero.
A lot of people here in the Uk talk a lot about the Irish coming over here during the famine and all the other immigration but forget there was a time lots of British folk moved to Ireland too, during the Ulster plantation.
"...moved to Ireland"? They invaded, mass-murdered, land-grabbed and terrorised an entire population for generations. Cromwell was as evil as any human being in the history of this planet, yet in England he is known as 'the Godfather of Democracy'.
There were several plantations in Ireland starting with the plantation of Munster, taking in Youghal and famous for the introduction of the potato to Ireland. Then there came the plantation of the Midland areas then called KIngs County ( Offaly) and Queens County (Laois) . These were not mass migrations and only entailed change of ownership of the vast estates involved. Ulster was different. The London Company was set up and built the city of Derry in 1609 and the entire province of Ulster was settled by large numbers of Presbyterian Scots whose descendents remain there to this day. While the land owning people of the south largely left after independence and the land was divided up by the Land Commission among existing tenant farmers ( mostly Nationalist and Catholic) the land and property of Ulster remained in Unionist Protestant hands. This led to the troubles of 1968 to 1998 and has soured Anglo Irish relations to this very day. Cromwell is viewed in Ireland as a monstrous figure in Irish History with deadly consequences for the Irish population, the figure quoted here being a drop of 40% in the Irish population in 1649 onwards. The Famine of 1845 to 1851 saw a drop of 2 million from 8 million down to 6 million. It is hard to believe that the Cromwell holocaust was even more devastating to Ireland than the Great Hunger 2 centuries later.
@@emeraldchronicle 'shared history' haha. A series of kicks to the face from the bigger 'partner' and two genocide attempts, all while claiming the moral high ground. Thanks for sharing.
@jgdooley2003 The plantation of Laois (1550s) was during Queen Mary's reign ,the Munster plantation began after the death of the Earl of Desmond 1583.
There is a street in Drogheda Co Louth called scarlet street. Its named so, because of the blood that ran down when Cromwell's army butchered civilians.
To those who claim anti-British prejudice, of course there are two sides & more to a story, but the accepted facts of the oppression & the state of the country in those years comes down to us largely from the testimony of English Protestants who witnessed or partook in the abuses, some of whom were proud & others horrified by the events which were stated policy of the Crown.
It's crucial to draw connections between historical events and current situations. Understanding the past can help us make sense of present-day issues.
A non-violent version of celtic paganism but still retaining the warrior poet society probably would've worked out better in the long run considering the history of Ireland and Scotland
The time of the Celtic church (not a church in any modern sense but a culture with local monastic-based establishments with much more independence and less conformity (fewer and looser rules) than the Roman model) was a golden age in Ireland, an era which was deeply weakened during the Viking incursions and ended when the Irish establishment capitulated to the influence of Rome. Though the traditional model, like the pre-Christian culture before it, persisted just under the surface. Both Celtic christianit & paganism seem to be having a big redurgence today, especially following the sex abuse scandals.
@@MunsterIreland1 The British Isles was not a colonial term. It was in use before the political states of Britain, Ireland (or England for that matter ) even existed. It was a Greek/ Roman term.
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I'm an Irish diaspora living in huntingdonshire (birthplace of Cromwell). It's amazing how many people here still think of that extremist zealot fanatic as a hero.
A lot of people here in the Uk talk a lot about the Irish coming over here during the famine and all the other immigration but forget there was a time lots of British folk moved to Ireland too, during the Ulster plantation.
"...moved to Ireland"? They invaded, mass-murdered, land-grabbed and terrorised an entire population for generations.
Cromwell was as evil as any human being in the history of this planet, yet in England he is known as 'the Godfather of Democracy'.
Thank you for bringing this perspective to the conversation! It’s important to remember the complexities of our shared history.
There were several plantations in Ireland starting with the plantation of Munster, taking in Youghal and famous for the introduction of the potato to Ireland. Then there came the plantation of the Midland areas then called KIngs County ( Offaly) and Queens County (Laois) . These were not mass migrations and only entailed change of ownership of the vast estates involved.
Ulster was different. The London Company was set up and built the city of Derry in 1609 and the entire province of Ulster was settled by large numbers of Presbyterian Scots whose descendents remain there to this day. While the land owning people of the south largely left after independence and the land was divided up by the Land Commission among existing tenant farmers ( mostly Nationalist and Catholic) the land and property of Ulster remained in Unionist Protestant hands. This led to the troubles of 1968 to 1998 and has soured Anglo Irish relations to this very day.
Cromwell is viewed in Ireland as a monstrous figure in Irish History with deadly consequences for the Irish population, the figure quoted here being a drop of 40% in the Irish population in 1649 onwards. The Famine of 1845 to 1851 saw a drop of 2 million from 8 million down to 6 million. It is hard to believe that the Cromwell holocaust was even more devastating to Ireland than the Great Hunger 2 centuries later.
@@emeraldchronicle 'shared history' haha. A series of kicks to the face from the bigger 'partner' and two genocide attempts, all while claiming the moral high ground. Thanks for sharing.
@jgdooley2003 The plantation of Laois (1550s) was during Queen Mary's reign ,the Munster plantation began after the death of the Earl of Desmond 1583.
A brutal time. It is amazing anyone survived but some did and we owe them a debt for keeping alive the culture and language for us today.
There is a street in Drogheda Co Louth called scarlet street. Its named so, because of the blood that ran down when Cromwell's army butchered civilians.
He was a previous Hitler of his time, but he wasn't alone in England in this Period.
Dark times indeed.
As the ladybird book said, "Cromwell was never, except in Ireland, cruel".
To those who claim anti-British prejudice, of course there are two sides & more to a story, but the accepted facts of the oppression & the state of the country in those years comes down to us largely from the testimony of English Protestants who witnessed or partook in the abuses, some of whom were proud & others horrified by the events which were stated policy of the Crown.
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I hope Americans watching can see a parallel with Palestine.
It's crucial to draw connections between historical events and current situations. Understanding the past can help us make sense of present-day issues.
@emeraldchronicle in America that means perfecting their killing ratio.
Are there Calvinists oppressing Catholics in Palestine? 😂
I hope Americans can see a parallel with Wounded Knee.
@@colmoneill191No but Zionists are oppressing Palestinians.
If only Ireland had retained the original Celtic Church!
A non-violent version of celtic paganism but still retaining the warrior poet society probably would've worked out better in the long run considering the history of Ireland and Scotland
Pity the reality was a violent aristocratic society where the poor counted for little.
@@colmoneill191true, but the ordinary English people lived under that system too. Although not to deny that the Irish suffered far more
The time of the Celtic church (not a church in any modern sense but a culture with local monastic-based establishments with much more independence and less conformity (fewer and looser rules) than the Roman model) was a golden age in Ireland, an era which was deeply weakened during the Viking incursions and ended when the Irish establishment capitulated to the influence of Rome. Though the traditional model, like the pre-Christian culture before it, persisted just under the surface. Both Celtic christianit & paganism seem to be having a big redurgence today, especially following the sex abuse scandals.
Is this history or his story.
Not historically accurate as always there is two sides to every story.
When it all boils down, we all live on the British isles.
Please stop utilising out of date colonial terms such as the “British isles”. It’s no longer utilised.
@@MunsterIreland1 The British Isles was not a colonial term. It was in use before the political states of Britain, Ireland (or England for that matter ) even existed. It was a Greek/ Roman term.
Its not a colonial term. It's a Greek/Roman one. In use long before the political states of Ireland or Britain existed.
@@andym9571 Why would they have used the term "British" if Britain didn't actually exist yet?
@megadodge Because it was the Romans / Greek that made up that term. They invented it ! That is where the political name 'British' came from.