Inspite of all the pretence of being a gentleman and a religious man he was an animal . His legacy and his name will NEVER be forgotten here ( wexford ) I take joy each day knowing this town is Irish and not english .
I am surprised this hasnt had more views. Very interesting, such a complex time... as an irishman, I had never really thought how entwined the civil war in britain was with the plantation.
This "Conversation" is my introduction to your youtube channel. I would rank it alongside Alec Ryrie's "Chosing Religious Attocities in Ireland" on the Gresham College channel. Professor Morrill's encounter with brolly wielding lady shows the persistence of trauma in folk memory despite distance alternatively many find disagreement intolerable. I look forward to the rest of your videos. Cromwell seems to me qualitatively different from other English and British leaders concerning Ireland despite the brevity of his visit. One aspect not covered is language. The majority spoke Irish , so tribunals conducted in English would not be comparable to any held in Britain in terms of justice. Indentures written in language understood by one party are unlikely to offer even formal protections. Perhaps this would have been a complexity toomany for the time avaliable. The Down Survey and land tenure that followed were key to much of the conflict that followed. Cromwell's curse was dispossession and poverty rather than merely the events of Drogheda and Wexford.
“Not slaves-indentured servitude so they did have legal rights” - yes the could sue their owner..who was the relative, friend or even himself the judge. Many records of cases brought to court where the plaintiff sued the plantation owner or manor lord and were further punished after the case was dismissed. Sure something on paper is better than nothing but the delineation between what was on paper and what was in practice was never that clear cut. Rape, abuse and maltreatment were common place. Death by disease in the colonies amongst the indentured was more common than not.
The military barbarity relative to the times may have been exaggerated based on what was standard to the times but the whole scale displacement of people and enhancement of the plantations made the memory of said slaughter more pronounced than perhaps earlier massacres had been even if some of the Tudor era warfare had perhaps actually been more savage
Well he had a choice he could fight on the native's terms and become embroiled in an endless guerrilla campaign which favoures the guerrilla or he could make one or two examples and ultimately save lives and win
Inspite of all the pretence of being a gentleman and a religious man he was an animal .
His legacy and his name will NEVER be forgotten here ( wexford )
I take joy each day knowing this town is Irish and not english .
indeed in any part of ireland ! .Murder mayhem , ,his aim was to wipe out the irish race .something we see in repeated in parts of the world today
I am surprised this hasnt had more views.
Very interesting, such a complex time... as an irishman, I had never really thought how entwined the civil war in britain was with the plantation.
'Not all of them surely'
This "Conversation" is my introduction to your youtube channel. I would rank it alongside Alec Ryrie's "Chosing Religious Attocities in Ireland" on the Gresham College channel. Professor Morrill's encounter with brolly wielding lady shows the persistence of trauma in folk memory despite distance alternatively many find disagreement intolerable. I look forward to the rest of your videos. Cromwell seems to me qualitatively different from other English and British leaders concerning Ireland despite the brevity of his visit.
One aspect not covered is language. The majority spoke Irish , so tribunals conducted in English would not be comparable to any held in Britain in terms of justice. Indentures written in language understood by one party are unlikely to offer even formal protections. Perhaps this would have been a complexity toomany for the time avaliable. The Down Survey and land tenure that followed were key to much of the conflict that followed. Cromwell's curse was dispossession and poverty rather than merely the events of Drogheda and Wexford.
A fascinating account that may provide a hint of what is contained in the forthcoming book.
Could you please do an episode on the Parliamentary surrender of the English American colonies ca. 1655?
Excellent, keep them coming.
Stuart, can I ask a question on the civil war?
“Not slaves-indentured servitude so they did have legal rights”
- yes the could sue their owner..who was the relative, friend or even himself the judge. Many records of cases brought to court where the plaintiff sued the plantation owner or manor lord and were further punished after the case was dismissed.
Sure something on paper is better than nothing but the delineation between what was on paper and what was in practice was never that clear cut. Rape, abuse and maltreatment were common place. Death by disease in the colonies amongst the indentured was more common than not.
The military barbarity relative to the times may have been exaggerated based on what was standard to the times but the whole scale displacement of people and enhancement of the plantations made the memory of said slaughter more pronounced than perhaps earlier massacres had been even if some of the Tudor era warfare had perhaps actually been more savage
Is there a complete writings or recorded words of the Lord Protector?
What influence does John Owen have on Cromwell? I know that he campaigned with him for a time
Well he had a choice he could fight on the native's terms and become embroiled in an endless guerrilla campaign which favoures the guerrilla or he could make one or two examples and ultimately save lives and win
make an example? an example of what? that you shouldn't be allowed to live on your own land, speak your own language, and eat your own food?
as long as you dont bother about long term repercusions
Learning about the English civil war is always such a rollercoaster.
He's known as the C word in Ireland...
Cromwell cost 18 paratrooper idiot's their lives in Warren point in 1979... sometimes it takes centuries...
Cromwell is a hero in the United States! No Cromwell, no United States
By engaging in the conquest of Ireland, Cromwell threw the English republic out the window.