Can autopilot make robo taxis drive themselves in the UK? Tesla's BIG NEWS - but outside the US?
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- Exciting news from Tesla! Not only have they launched Full Self Driving as a finished product, they are going to unveil fully automated "Robo Taxis".
But what does this mean in the UK? I have tested Autopilot quite a few times and been disappointed. Lots of people use Tesla as a taxi, but I don't think they drive themselves. Lets try it out and see how steep a hill Tesla still have to climb in the UK.
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Being from Vancouver I enjoy your videos. Autopilot is not designed to drive in city streets. FSD (supervised) can drive on streets with no markings in North America and I’m positive once it gets the ok in the UK it will work just fine right away!
I’m sure it will as well! Our problem is the global regulations don’t like autonomy. So even if they approve a loosening of the rules later in the year it will still be a long way from what you enjoy in North America.
Another great video Ian I enjoyed watching that I think It will be a very long time before Tesla will be able to drive itself because the British roads are shocking with potholes and no road markings in a lot of places I will look forward to watching your next video . Cheers Andy 👍👍
I enjoyed that video, I don't drive electric but still enjoy watching channels like yours.
More like this one please.
Love it Ian, keep up the comedy
I think the roads without lines on them will be no problem when we get the FSD Supervised version. If you look at any of Dirty Tesla's videos, he drives on dirt roads, which would be similar in terms of no road markings. The car would keep to the correct side of the road. If you also watch any videos from Chuck Cook, Whole Mars Catalog and again Dirty Tesla, navigating around parked cars won't be an issue either. The challenge with the UK version is that it's not any where near v12. Roundabouts don't appear to be that bad in the US but their roundabouts aren't like ours
Absolutely. The code that ours runs on is ancient - and I read that few further updates will be done
@@justgetatesla hopefully our government will get it’s head out of it’s arse at some point also
Just back from a biztrip to the US and took the opportunity to take a Model Y out with FSD 12.
My passenger didn't believe that I wasn't driving. Amazing to get into a car in a strange city and just let the car drive, that would be a perfect hire car scenario.
The only time I took over was a decision to change route due to traffic and I had a destination set as a Starbucks and it wanted to go into the drive through lane but we didn't want coffee, it was just a route. 😁
It was impressive and felt very confident.
1:16 small correction: the computer inside your Tesla is not learning; _"the morhership,"_ as Tesla calls their central computer, is training FSD based on all incoming video streams from the car fleet, FSD car computer is a so called _"agent"_ driving the car based in the distributed traing set from the central computer... Small detail, but stil..
Merci
I guess cruising down the motor way FSD does ok, that's the bit I don't mind doing myself. I can't see cars with no steering wheels anytime soon unless you can use your phone as a backup
FSD doesn’t need road markings or lines as it’s been clearly shown to work in the snow covered northern regions of the USA with ease, including very wet roads in day and night on 12.3.3/4
Sure! But we’re not getting FSD unless there is a radical rethink of the rules.
I guess it was a laugh to show the difference between the best we can get out of Autopilot vs. "FSD supervised" which is looking pretty good now. I'm 1500 miles into my MYLR ownership and I'm still a bit unsure about Autyopilot lane keeping. I sometimes forget Autopiliot is not on and steering for me leading to me jerking the steering wheel to keep the car in lane. And then lane changing and having to disable Autopilot for some manoeuvres (e.g. dual carriage way roundabouts) are operations I have not yet learned to make smoothly all the time. I start to wonder if I am better off just using the traffic aware cruise control. I will practice some more.
I like the houses at 19:20 to 20:18. Great video too.
AP is nowhere near as good as FSD - but hopefully using the same NN!!
Didn't know you could press & hold on the map to get the route!! Awesome - thanks Ian!
Thanks for the insight into how far away FSD is on UK roads, We will need huge amounts of white line painting across the UK for this to work. Great vids by the way me likey. 🙂
Don't know how well fsd would work without the lines yet because only basic autopilot is avaliable and even the autopilot is a nerfed version in Europe it's limited on how much it can autosteer which makes it ironically more dangerous especially on sharp turns so the tighter regulations actually makes it less safe to use its stupid
That's not FSD in the video
Fsd in the USA works well on country roads with no markings, roads with tight curves and roads with obstacles and traffic in towns. There are many videos of this.
I’ve seen them! It uses a completely different software stack be the rest of the world. Sadly
I bet they call it the model R, mostly because it's Robotaxi, but also because it takes S3XY and makes it S3XYR 😀
a good guess, but they said that hey are done using the "model"-xyz scheme (as we can see with the cybertruck and the tesla semi)
So, there seem to be two things preventing FSD in the UK - the UNECE legislation and the s/w - assuming that the s/w is just a matter of gathering enough training data and crunching it in Dojo, what specifically in the legislation is blocking the adoption of FSD in the UK ? And now that we are out of the EU are we in a better position to fix it ?
It’s just the regulations. We know the software works, look at America. And this has *nothing* to do with the EU. Look at the map I put up on screen - Japan and Australia and Russia all use UNECE. It’s the global standard. Sadly 😂
@@justgetatesla but what is in the regulations that prevents FSD rollout ? And are people working to change it or are we going to become an automotive backwater ? Unfortunately, it is going to be in the interests of legacy manufacturers to maintain the status quo…
@@justgetatesla I asked ChatGPT - there are a lot of hoops that Tesla needs to jump through. It may not be worth attempting these until it is more mature. Even then there may be speed caps and the step to full unsupervised may be legally problematic… Hopefully the size of the market will make the effort worthwhile and perhaps the legislation will be relaxed when the benefits are understood. Maybe somewhere in Tesla there is a team working on it…
Autopilot isn’t designed for robotaxi so I don’t understand the logic of your video , autopilot isn’t designed for taxi services , have you driven fsd? Just very odd
I can’t drive FSD. I live in Europe. Which is the parody point the video is making
@@justgetatesla so why demonstrating autopilot to try out "Robo taxi".... That doesn't make any (parody) point whatsoever, does it?
I like the video nevertheless ❣️
Sunshine in Peterhead? Not sure many viewers will realise how rare that is. Sun usually brings in the haar.
You didn’t see the Met Office story? NE the sunniest part of the UK this winter. By some distance vs the rest of the UK
@@justgetatesla I've literally driven from Aberdeen to Peterhead in gorgeous blue skies and T-shirt weather until you get to Boddam, the haar's in and it's fully 10 degrees colder and foggy in Peterhead.
the trial is very good. I'm too impatient for it though and disengage when I think it's not as smart as me. A 35 miles trip today had 10 disengagements. Whereas I rate myself a 90 out of 100 driver, I would say the FSD is about 80.
Elon stated not too long ago that he has a team working on a FSD for the EU and for us RHD car countries he’s working on an Australian version.
Let’s hope. I follow a lot of Tesla peeps on TwiX and I’ve read multiple times that the focus on FSD means that “FSD” is largely parked
Enjoyed the video 🙂. What you didn't mention, which I think is really important is that, from what I understand, Tesla abandoned their FSD software in the USA and invested in a massive AI computer (perhaps a couple of years ago?). They then got it watch millions of videos sent from Teslas and told it to learn to drive. In one year, it made more progress than the old system did in all the time they have been developing it. This is why they've been able to move to the supervised version. My view is that this ground up system is just going to get better and better, and quickly too, just like all other AI based tech. The amazing thing about it l that they never told the AI anything about what was going on, so it has no idea what a white line is, or a speed sign. It's worked it out all on it's own. This approach should mean white lines are not needed for it to work, which is definitely needed for the UK like you mentioned!
The white lines not being maintained is a real problem, but even worse when trying to use autopilot. We have a long way to go in the UK to catch up with the Americans, but then they don’t have the tight narrow roads that we have, so, unfortunately, it’ll be a while before we’re seeing robotaxis on UK roads.
I thought the new ground up AI FSD which has learned from watching videos doesn't need white lines.
Your poor car must be a nervous wreck after that.😅
A few American viewers have said “that isn’t FSD”. Correct - that is the point. No FSD in the world outside North America. Google “Tesla Driver” and watch his videos. “FSD” in the UK. Or watch my own drive in a Model S with “FSD”. In town it is autopilot with added “stop light recognition” which is pointless. That is it. All we have. So in the UK, my video is correct - this is our experience.
I welcome all viewers and subscribers! But please, American friends. Watch the video. I specifically and explicitly explain why what you have isn’t what everyone else has. Your FSD is not our “FSD”. Nor do I claim our FSD or my video is relevant in your country. But just because you have FSD Supervised doesn’t mean anyone else has. Tesla sell “FSD” here and it is an absolute joke compared to yours. Would you pay £6,400” for a system which wants to stop at a green traffic light? Because that’s what FSD does here.
Maybe it doesn’t like Audis?
Pity you cant jump on a plane to US or Canada and show us how it should work although I think we know from you how it doesnt work in UK - we are about as far away from ready that you can be
I was in the US this week so did exactly that, took a Model Y or for an FSD drive. Very impressive and my passenger didn't believe that I wasn't driving.
I look forward to the day we get the same FSD that America has here in Australia. Seems so unfair. When will the UN hurry up.
Too right. Come on UN pen pushers!!!
Well, it's a slightly click bait title. Not to mention that your video is assessing the software for a job it wasn't designed to do. It's not intended to act as a Robo taxi as of course you know.
I think to be a fair review, you should have been reviewing The bodies who are preventing adult evolution of technology and software. Perhaps also, the change in the image processing technique that Tesla has moved onto for it to have succeeded in self driving.
Perhaps you could smuggle in a Tesla with the full actual software from America without the law noticing and trying that on British Road instead (smile)
I did show that the car can do the job - hence the clip of the American car doing everything mine can’t. As for clickbait, yep. I heard the Robotaxi announcement and thought it would be funny to show just how far off that we are. And then blamed UNECE because it’s their fault not Tesla
Having seen what that system can do in the US driving the car totally by itself from midtown San Fransisco to midtown Los Angeles even passing road works I think we can surely say our roads in Europe would be considered appropriate for cows and horses in the US 😂. If Elon succeed to make a system working for European roads I think he'll be going for the Nobel prize. Unfortunately because when seeing how good the system handles in US it would be so convenient having the same opportunities here. But sadly I think that wish are many decades away from being realistic.
I’ve been genuinely blown away by what I have seen from the FSD Supervised footage shot in the US. Sensational. But then you look at what we have now - which is the best system available - and it’s like a kids toy in comparison
@@justgetatesla totally agree. And for us to upgrade to full self driving for that money is nothing but robbery since it doesn't work as intended.
I don't see the point of this video. You can't extrapolate autopilot behaviour/visualization to FSD. And also idk what you expect from autopilot, it is just a cruise control. It can't do anything besides following curves and slowing and speeding up. I agree that the roads, signs, traffic laws are very different (not to mention right hand drive), but it will make turns just as good as in the US. I hope we get it soon in the EU so we don't stay behind the US. Appreciate the video, I am looking forward you driving FSD in the UK soon!
I guess the point is that there is no point. We can’t have FSD in Europe. So if they want to do automation there is a very very long way to go
@@justgetateslaOkay you do have a point then 😂
However, if the authorities suddenly permitted FSD, the existing software would (presumably) do much better than the autopilot; at the moment, there isn’t any way to know.
The logic in FSD and autopilot systems is very different. Making a video that mixes them doesn't make sense.
It makes sense in that Tesla are endlessly ramping FSD and we aren’t getting it in Europe. Which is the comparison I am making
Robotaxis have way more sensors and cameras than you have got. It's like comparing a traction engine with a F1 car.
Autopilot Is not Same as FSD and you are trying drive like It Is? 😏
Sure! Because we’re not allowed to have FSD
Autopilot is working in the US where they have given them the full version. Due to our archaic laws, we are so restricted as to what we can have. So Tesla give us a very basic version.
I am sure that when the laws catch up, we will get the full version here. That will work without the white lines and read all of the road signs and traffic lights. That is what will be in a robo taxi, not what we are allowed at the moment.
What a silly video showing what the car says it can't do. As a Brit living in California using FSD in my Model Y I can assure you it drives very well a lot better than you did by the way
Yes, I know. That’s the point. I even included a long clip of what the car can do for you in my video. Do you understand? What you have, we won’t get? This was aimed at a rest of world audience - all the countries shown on the map I put up of where UNECE rules apply
A total waste of a vid as Autopilot isn’t meant to be like FSD. It’s just an assist. That parked car was looked at as a car in a queue by your car and was sitting waiting on it moving off.
My point was that it isn’t remotely like FSD yet is called FSD anyway. Doesn’t work in town, doesn’t add anything on top of autopilot bar a useless “stop on green” red light recognition thing.
Ummm, what a pointless video. We are many many years away from the FSD they have in the US. Any video for any car with any type of autopilot will work like this in the UK.
I think that is the point the video is making. We are a long long way from what the Americans are enjoying
Boring waffle
And yet you (a) watched it and (b) helped the algorithm by commenting. So you’re promoting my channel. Thanks!!!
@@justgetatesla I watched some of it. Maybe worth taking comments on board.
The electric viking keeps it concise.
Sure! Then again his videos are him sitting at a desk talking. Hard to do a driving video in 6 minutes behind a desk. He does something completely different to me.
This is stupid. Auto pilot is not FSD, it's cruise control. If you were using FSD it would drive on roads without markings. It is ridiculous to use autopilot as a demonstration for FSD. You shouldn't even be using autopilot in the city. Would you put a Toyota on cruise and expect it to drive you through the city?
I’m *not* demonstrating FSD. As the video shows, we can’t have FSD. I am parodying the hype happening by Americans vs the crumbs we are thrown in Europe. You’re American? Did you know that FSD is North America only?
@@justgetatesla I realize that FSD is North American only, and I understand that you are also aware of this. So why are you driving around with cruise control (autopilot) on and declaring that this is what FSD is? You are intentionally misleading people.
@@justgetatesla Exactly! You are demonstrating Autopilot and claiming that it is FSD.
Where do I claim this is FSD? The video shows the various options available in the UK - none of which are FSD - and talks about how much work is needed to get FSD approved and working in the UK.
@@justgetatesla 01:22 you claim that auto-pilot is beta, which is incorrect. FSD is beta. You are conflating the two.
At 06:20 you state that you are going to use standard auto-pilot instead of FSD because FSD does nothing. You are saying it's the same software with added features but it's not. FSD is a completely different software stack. It is end to end AI. Auto-pilot is not.
At 13:00 you start whining that auto-pilot doesn't work on UK roads because of the lack of lane markings and state that this is the challenge Tesla needs to address. Wrong! Auto-pilot is not designed to drive you around the city. It is cruise control designed for highway use. FSD already does everything you are complaining about.
You're entire video is about how auto-pilot needs to improve to be an effective robo-taxi. That is never going to happen. Auto-pilot is cruise control for highway use only.