The Fishing Industry Has A HUGE Problem...
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Get your ladles ready, because we about to stir this pot... The fishing industry has a huge problem. Innovation seems to be stalling out in favor of just copying popular baits and rebranding. There CAN be positive incentives around this for consumers. We might get a slightly lower price, and more availability. But we sacrifice innovation and hurt small businesses when this happens. In this video, we try to navigate the pros and cons that we have seen in the fishing industry. What are your thoughts?
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It's been going on for decades & don't see it changing. Doesn't make it right though.
It’s amazing that if you design and create a bait you can’t copyright it so this doesn’t happen. Thought that was the whole point of copyright law
If an idea is genuinely improved, I am ok with that. What I don't like, is when a large company takes someone else's idea, copies it, and has it mass produced in China to make it cheaper. Prime example would be berkley.
What about do it molds, they have copied Berkley’s shape 108 craw with the hatchet craw mold. It is the exact same but they slapped their logo on it.
if it doesn't have a patent design then it is what it is
Berkley hasn't put out an original bait in the last 5 to 10 years. Everything they put out is a infringement on someone else's bait, and they prey on the smaller companies idea's that can't afford to get in a ligation battle in court. It's sad.
Screw Berkley and Ike the pro liar. Never buying anything from them.
Try Duckett.. all his stuff are copies
Berkeley is copying itself from the 70s right in some cases.
You see their new jerkbait yet?
Bass pro wouldn't be around without copying. They copy everything. Skeeter boats came out with the first bass boat. Everyone else copied. They might have refined it, adding new features not found in the original. If you didn't put a patent on it then that's your fault.
I think it hurts the most to the small business owners that spend a lot of blood sweat and tears coming up with the design and a big company makes it because their pro staff wanted it
4 words. Get a damn patent!
I think what really got people mad was Berkley acting like they invented new types of baits when they were just copying small Japanese companies. Megabass magdraft wasnt the first harness swimbait and they never claimed to be. But Berkley was trying make it look like they put in all kinds of R and D to create completely new baits a like the Nessie and the Gilly, which were just strait up copies.
Availability and price are huge for the general public. Some baits are expensive, and not readily available. The fact I can go to my local tackle shop and grab a Nessie right now is important. I can’t do that with the flag. Not to mention the flag is $50, compared to the Nessie at under $15. That’s a massive difference for a weekend angler like me.
Some people might not like it, but im here to catch fish without emptying my pockets every time I lose a $50 bait.
Fair
I think the worst thing in the industry is selling artificial baits at a huge discount to the big box stores, therefore screwing the local bait shops that can’t compete ! Bait shops are closing around the country and when they are gone they’re gone ! Why are they important, ware are you going to get live bait to go fishing anymore ??? No big deal for adults but most kids grow up fishing live bait and if kids don’t catch fish they won’t pursue fishing later in life !!!
In cape cod we catch chubbies in brackish water . They work great .
Welcome to trickle down capitalism, were I live we had a big multisport store closing down must of stores and now they everytime I go there they isle is smaller and smaller and the sneaker tracksuit is bigger because all the companies are run by MBAs that look to 3 month windows on PowerBI or microstrategy wich are fancy spreadsheets and miss the big picture.... and now they are failing because that they don't understand that people went there for the multisports and of course the most selling items are common would be sneakers and tracksuits because most people buy them and they were already on the store. But if you don't go there because thet don't have whatever sport you are into... Now they are failing.
So now if I want to do some coarse fishing with maggots I have to travel 32kms😂 and I live near a river!
We have scattered around the country ultra specialized stores that sell online other than that what survives is retired folks selling takle on shops underneath the house and nothing else.
That’s with everything not just a fishing lure problem
Storm has been making the pre rigged silicon swimbait for 30 years so if they’re not the original i don’t know who is.
You nailed the intro and I totally agree. Doesn’t matter what you’re into, anything that involves people will have some toxicity.
Definitely something to be said about the amount of negative content pushed as well, and to be fair, if people weren’t so caught up in drama there wouldn’t be as much of that content…it just works 😂🤷🏻♂️
Great video
If you use an inline spinner that doesn’t say Mepps on it, or a minnow shaped crank-bait that’s not a Rapala, a curly tailed grub that’s not a Mister Twister…
And what's your point?
Loving the new Egregiously Aggressive Average Anglers. Without sponsors you’re definitely able to speak more freely. It’s refreshing. I’m on the side of if it’s a copy with upgrades, be that in material, cost, action whatever, then it’s easier to swallow then when it’s just an exact replica for slightly cheaper due to a companies production cababilities.
The Yamamoto Yamatanuki predates the cover scat. It just didn't get released in the United States until last year. And the Geecrack is the first poop bait.
Geecrack with the innovation!
Would suck if a company patented lure design to prevent innovation. Would also make prices worse. Its gonna happen so make the best of it and support local when you can
If the suits took over most major companies, it's happening, probably trying to patent something that someone else did.
Zman does this and they're VERY litigious. They will send a cease and desist letter to anyone that comes close to copying their blade attachment on the OG chatterbait
I feel like there are too many companies in the industry. It's too saturated.
The biggest problem in bass fishing is the golfer infestation and this explains why fishing gear is way over priced
There's only so many ideas that you can have with soft plastic, hard plastic, wood, graphite, fiberglass, and metal. For fishing lures, I mean. Besides lures that are 70+ years old, I've never seen an actual original unless it's still being sold.
Companies will always copy each other. When the Rat-L-Trap was invented, suddenly every company started making lipless crankbaits. When Duo introduced the spybait, suddenly everyone was making their own version of spybaits too. Every company makes their own spin of the same type of bait, and I for one am glad for it because it forces innovation.
But when companies just blatantly rips off directly from the originals, that's just shameful. cOuGhcOuGhbErKlEycOuGh Often those that suffer are the indie bait makers that aren't able to compete with the mass production levels that the bigger companies are able to churn out.
I’m a 44 year old and I’ve always hated people who litter! Well I just started fishing and I’m completely baffled at the amount of litter fishers leave it’s completely unnecessary and disgusting!!!!
I feel that
A few copies doesn’t bother me. It’s when a bait comes out and EVERY single company has to have their version. I think the entire Crush City line from Rapala was 100% unneeded in the industry. None of it is innovative and Rapala is just 5 decades behind on the plastic market. What ends up happening is the market gets so saturated with the same exact baits from different companies to the point where none of it is special anymore and most guys end up resorting back to the classics anyways. Googan is a massive contributor to the copy game. And it’s all just a cash grab. There isn’t a single Googan bait made better than the originals they desperately rip off. And their packaging suuuuuuuucks. I just think in the world of copies, a vast majority of them have no place in the industry other than “this is our version”. Nothing is original anymore and when you do get something unique, it’s fished to death and copied so fast that there’s a new bait out 8 months later and everyone has moved on to the “next best thing” and you’re left with a market of baits that’s literally garbage. I work in outdoor retail and when I new bait comes in, I know for a fact that I’m going to have to find room for the next 4 brands that come out with the same thing. It makes for a very stale shopping experience and takes away retail space for products that actually have a place in the industry.
I think to the average fisherman, it doesn't matter. I think It's different with the tournament guys or the guys making content. They are a little more up on the trends and what's happening in the industry. Also, the average guy doesn't have the same opportunity for promotional items.
Suppose that mega bass dark sleeper was never knocked off then they would potentially have a lower price being they would have more sales. Knock offs can drive up the price of og's so that is a factor also.
If you are interested in helping out the little guy. There's a company called liquid willowcat. Scented plastic
Baits are a little soft. But not overly expensive. I have nothing to gain. Just something I found in a Wisconsin bait shop. Good luck
Send us a link on instagram or their handle on IG.
I don't know how. Sorry. This is the closest I come to social media. I do know that a RUclipsr called angler x was sponsored by them. And their is a video of the company owner catching willow cats with angler x. He makes shad and willowcat scents
If you design lures and can afford it. The way to protect your design is proof if concept, and a design patent within so much time after releasing to the public. So tired of big companies stealing designs.
I believe I have at least 1 lure design, out of many that I'm prototyping, that those big companies will try to copy. And I will forever protect that design.
Legally, similar is not same. Just because a bait is similar and designed for the same technique does not make it the same. Get into bait making and youll find most of your smaller companies are all buying molds from the same companies and selling literally the same baits. The differences are who's got the best color combinations and has the plastisol dialed in for a particular bait
Like I said before Copying is the best form of Flattery. So everyone who made a squarebill after the first one, is copying. First spinnerbait has been copied thousands of time.
I make alot of my own baits and to be honest they are all copy's. Occasionally I'll make my old moulds and basically use a tried and tested design and change the tail or bulk out the area I put the hook or something but I can make my baits whatever colour combo I want ,I can add salt or go with just plastisol, can make them as soft or as hard as I want but basically I'm churning out copy's but I love making my own baits, spoons, jigheads ,sinkers and I build my own rods. It all adds more enjoyment to my fishing.
I'm not profiting from it but something I love doing. Just last night my son and I cracked out about 60 jigheads , some articulated weighted heads and a load of bullet weights for our fishing trip next week. I have 4 days off and we are gonna go and hopefully smash some big winter Pollock. We will be chucking baits we made together and we can't wait.
Enjoyed the video though food for thought.
Crush city Mayor is the Largo Shad. Wheeler, on multiple occasions, said the largo shad was his favorite swimbait.
I remember wanting to buy a G Flag after seeing the Nessie. I eventually got the opportunity buy a G Flag, but then I saw the price and bought a Nessie instead 😂
The price makes it tough
This is what i fear will happen to my designs one day since im starting my own plastic bait designs. The smaller company and designers deserve more recognition and compensation for theft of a design
I have an idea for one but no way to make it
The difference between the whopper popper, and the Chapo is the pitch of the tail, a shallow third and a light slap on the water. I have both I like the whopper popper better.
I was one that used to get absolutely mad about companies absolutely knocking off a better product (like 13 did with their jabber jaw of the 6th sense axis) etc. But the reality is all companies do this. Gary Yamamoto should be absolutely irate how many soft plastic companies have knocked off the senko. I don’t even get into that argument anymore .
I see things in categories. The high specific gravity baits, to me, is a category. The style and looks of the baits within the category are where the copies happen in my opinion.
I hate it. In my eyes, there’s nothing positive that can come out of it. The copy is never an improvement upon the OG, all it does is oversaturate the market with crappier options that nobody needs. And down the road I can see it driving a lot of the true innovators out of the industry because what’s the point if you’re a smaller brand in coming out with something new and cool if some big company is gonna steal it right away? And as consumers who would want to walk in a tackle shop in 10-20 years and see nothing new and exciting, but rather a bunch of the same old cheap low quality KOs? I know personally as a consumer myself I’m willing to spend more to get the original which is almost always a higher quality product. It also sucks for the consumer because these giant companies that copy and oversaturate the market they take money away from the actual innovators, causing the OGs to go up in price! The Magdrafts just went up to $17.99. I think it’s horrible for the industry all around
Square bills, top water jerk baits raddle traps. Every company has one. Been copied to death. Pandoras box was opened a very long time ago.
I think it’s a good thing for fishing. Especially when the knock offs can be over 50% cheaper so guys who aren’t rich get to use some of these things. When I can get the almost exact same swim bait for $100 cheaper on temu and it performs exactly the same then I’m definitely going with Temu.
I never have done as well with the copies. Frogs are a perfect example. Many look the same. If I am catching them good with the Pad crasher. I often pull out a cheap frog to challenge myself. It never seems to work as well. It is fun to try. Hard baits have tons of copies. The originals work better.
I just did a video on this subject. There shouldn't be pop up tackle shops. Baking product in a kitchen stove. Packaging in baggies. Making labels on a ink jet printer. I lost a sponsor that had to close their online shop. They were doing it legit. These guy are using a free website, No email, phone number or place to return. Voids in the soft plastics. Are they getting seller permits. Paying their tax liabilities
I laughed my butt off when Wheeler tried to say it wasn’t a copy.
The problem is the major corporations are stealing from little guys that actually still care about quality over quantity I think its actually horse shit I go way out of my way to support those small Japanese companies fully is 90 percent of all I buy to use
68 Huddleston. 6” bait with the tail from the 8”
Apparently Googan and 6th sense lure had the exact same designer.
When you see a new bait come out and everyone copies it. To me that just shows that the company who made it first, didn't invent it. Because if you create something new you get it patent. And once you do that you can't be copied right off the bat. So some of these baits I wonder if the companies actually invented them. Because patents exist for a reason.
Bass Mafia also copied the magdraft because their new pro was a former Megabass pro
The Whopper Plopper was definitely not the first bait of it's kind. That style has been made for a century in 1000's of iterations in the musky world. Larry Dahlberg said his major change to the design was making the tail out of a pliable plastic rather than metal.
Crazy enough, I like the Berkeley Choppo better, because the tail is hard plastic.
What can ya do? 😂
Loved the video. I teach this concept in some of my business trainings. When was the last time you chose one product over another. Why did you choose rao’s spaghetti sauce over the great value brand? Or goodrich vs continental? Harvard vs community college? This daycare over that daycare? People value different things. Price, safeness, quality, durability, obtainability, uniqueness, etc. But I fully believe in small business and to continue innovation I think it would be wise for larger companies to partner with smaller companies.
I've been hand pouring soft plastics for 35 years and designs have been getting stolen for at least that long. You can patent portions of the bait design but can you afford to defend that patent in court? Very costly! Reaction Innovations and Zoom will come for you if you infringe....
And the magdraft Berkeley and can’t forget bass mafia one
The original of the Goby swimbait in terms of the dark sleeper or the new Z-man was designed and made by Joe Balog, called the Goby replica. He figured out the weight design that was required to balance and make the swim bait, scoot and move just like a real Goby.
I think some responsibility falls on the consumer to support small businesses over giant corporations.
These baits look different, cast different, swim different, sound different, and cost different. They're identical!!
I think there is innovation here, yes temu and amazon baits are just theft, they make a crappy product and sell for way cheap, but for successful baits I want someone to take the design and improve upon it and make new colors. A lot of the JDM colors are just not what I use here in US so just making that change is a welcome improvement for me. I do love elastek for the durability, so im always picking up my fav patterns and colors in that.
look if you are making plastic versions of the other critters in the pond, then at some point there is going to be overlap, without even looking at each others' products. I actually keep a can of gold spray to flash up dull lures. A senko is just an old Mr twister without a tail. Some soft lures look siilar due to function... like one with a flat horizontal (beaver) tail that can be dragged over obstacles without rolling over on the hook. Temo whopper disassembles after one big bass.
A few years ago Berkley paid the original designer of a bait to release their sick fish. They released the Magic Swimmer, which was the Sebile design There’s so many copies in the Berkley lineup. It started to get bad with the hollow body swimbait
Pure Fishing purchased Sebile entirely if I recall
Probably been said ad nauseum (I'm not reading all 100+ comments to check) but there is nothing new under the sun. It's incredibly rare, especially in soft plastics, to make something truly unique. There are only so many ways to make a bait fish, crawdad, etc imitator unless you make something so off the wall stupid (looking at you, Zuchi Bug) that everyone's like "that's lame AF" or "that's wild! It will definitely catch!". When you get into the hardbait game, especially the niche glides and what not, there's a different argument. I make and import baits so I'm all too familiar with this issue. The company I am trying to bring to the US has its own factory that also OEMs for large and small brands and I've been accused of 'copying' other profiles and designs where in reality, we had it first, and either it just wasn't sold here yet and some other brand brought it to market first, or it took time to bring it to market due to design patents overseas in their primary market and what not. In fact, we're dealing with that right now. I literally designed a bait that I would love to use and we've been getting it all going for some time now and getting ready to produce, and 6th Sense releases one of their newer baits that is super similar. I'm NOT saying 6th Sense copied me. Hell they probably have no idea who I am. What happened is, it's not a 'revolutionary' design and someone at 6th Sense either saw something similar, or independently came up with something like that on their own. I know I'm gonna get called a copy cat even though I literally sat down with a Blender artist and walked him through the design LOL. What compounds that is the market's unfamiliarity with my brand, so to the consumer, everything looks like a copy of something else. Don't even get me started on tribalism and brand loyalty LOL.
Edit: Just realized you guys said almost exactly this in your video LOL.
I know Berkley ripped off a design from a small company here in Australia. I personally don't fish berkley lures just as a little silent protest although the gulp plastics are very popular here in the salt water.
People are made for copying! Babies copy the sounds their parents make and learn words and how to communicate. Then they go to school where they copy again learning things that people before them have already figured out. Once they learn as much as they can (or want to) in their chosen field they can then start innovating or inventing new things or ideas. If there were no copying each generation would have to rediscover all these things and they would have no time to progress with new innovations or inventions.
I don't feel like you guys were consistent with some of your logic. Honestly, I agree that Elaztech is something good that can improve upon things. You seemed generally OK with using that as the justification for the Goby bait knockoff. But when it comes to Berkley, the Powerbait Formula would be the direct comparison. By saying that Elaztech is a reasonable value proposition, but not mentioning the Powerbait formula as a similar value proposition, then you weren't considering sufficient variables. Then the tail being enough of a difference with the poop baits, but the tail and added fin not being enough for the Nessie doesn't line up to me as well. I also personally consider the Honeycomb in the Cullshad as being a huge difference maker in bait action. It seemed as though you were also implying that the River2Sea Whopper Plopper was the first plopper to be made, but plopper style baits have been around forever in the Musky world, and I believe also in the Saltwater World.
The Huddleston is silicone, which is why it is expensive, also it will still have action in very cold water.
How many different ways can you make a goby? Or any other bait for that matter, there’s only so many ways to make certain baits
The whopper plopped is itself a copy of Lee lures version of their hand made version originally meant for Muskie
You want to see a big company go after a small one on the copying front boys, check out the original Holt Production Swim Prawn and the. Berkley “Turbo Shrimp”. Blatant copy by a massive manufacturer of a very small, dedicated fishing business here in Australia. The Holt Swim Prawn is such a unique design too so it stands out like dogs balls. Egregious you might say! 👍🏽
Here's the reality. Copying happens. Who made the first fishing pole? Spinning reel? Fish hook? Etc etc etc. I generally avoid Berkley products because they are so blatant about how they rip off everyone else's designs, and I also avoid googan because of the same thing.
But competition drives innovation, and as much as I love the Rapala, what if that's all there was?
I will say atleast jacob said in a video that bronco bug design came from osp but he changed a few things
@19:55. I actually disagree that Berkley is hurting GDW with the Nessie. I would bet money that a VAST majority of average anglers had never even heard of GDW before all the ruckus over the Nessie. If anything, GDW is getting a ton of free publicity out of this. GDW was never designed to be a mass market bait, otherwise it would've been priced more competitively. Now, lots of people will try the Nessie, find out it is an egregious knockoff (which it is. There's no denying that and it's messed up) and possibly want to try the OG.
Case and point, they’re sold out everywhere! Fair point
The Zoom speed worm has a million brands copying it. I go to buy them and get hit by a million other options.
And where did the whopper plopper idea come from??? The old school hellraiser bait co. Whopper stopper lol. They didn't have the capabilities to make the plastic tail back then so it was wood with a metal prop at the rear. Whopper plopper is a copy bait that was updated that's all lol.
The lineage goes wayyyy back lol
@@aaanglers exactly lol. I've gotten into collecting vintage lures so I purchased a vintage lure encyclopedia. Man yoi wouldn't believe how many actual designs we fish today was stolen from a old school bait and some companies that was actually put out of business due to a bigger company stealing their bread and butter design.
If you “copy “ it, but make it better and more affordable, then I’m all for it!
Exactly how I feel.
I agree! Part of innovation is improving on existing ideas
Isn’t it always easier to copy for cheaper if you’re maybe a bigger company who can have things made in China without paying for the R&D AND you already know it’s popular and that it will sell well? They can just undercut small creator companies. I’m not sure how I feel about copies but I don’t know if that’s a defense.
@@jonathanwolverton239 - exactly-this puts the small business at a huge disadvantage because they paid all the costs while taking all the risks and then someone else swoops in.
Most of the time the copy’s aren’t as good because big companies make them cheap as possible
I listen to tackle talk about the crush city baits….. wheeler made the baits 20-30% better is what he said and he made some good points
I would suggest it’s a problem in the industry in general and not just bass. I see US manufacturing copying lures made here in Japan then justify it with the good ole “Made in the USA tag” That same crowd then complains about CDM doing it to US manufacturers 😂 The hypocrisy is real. That’s why handmade lure / product conventions are all the rave here now in Japan.
I wouldn’t say copy I would say generic. The brand name isn’t generic be it Rapala or Berkley I would consider it generic to the original. Just like Sam’s Cola or any other off brand cola instead of Pepsi or coke. So many examples but just a generic of the original. Or even medication, generic is the same but often cheaper than the OG.
Humans will always find a way to rip his fellow man off. The more expensive bates are simply rip-offs. Because if you catch with the cheaper ones, then I don't see what the big deal is. Local companies should be cheaper.
Being more expensive doesn’t make it a rip off. Cheap baits catch fish and so do expensive ones. “Usually” expensive ones use higher quality parts that last longer. End of the day, it comes down to how you want to fish. Small companies CAN’T be cheaper, because it costs them more to produce baits.
The true OG of the poop baits is the Nories "Flip Dom"
These companies that come up with these new baits needs do like something in the food industry. Make slightly cheaper made off brands of your own products. Or even cross brand them with in store labels. Costco does this. E.g. Ocean Spray sold in Costco will have a Kirkland and Ocean Spray label on a single product. Ocean Spray still makes money, while Kirkland fans will just eat it up, not really knowing that it's a slightly cheaper made Ocean Spray juice. While Ocean Spray is still able to sell their higher quality juice at other places at full price.
Not a bad idea, play the game, I think the problem is now all small companies can never be as big as the really big companies if they're basically doing all the R&D then don't make as much as the big guys once they sell. No open market.
I have had zero luck with gravity scat baits, ive tried them all and never got a bite on any
In my opinion most of the “Creature” baits is derived from the Salty Craw. And you can look at some of the Crappie baits. In that area there are tons of copies.
Hate to say it but the z man doesn’t have the exact same tail as the Huddleston. If it is then Z-man wither licensed the tail through Huddleston, if they didn’t they will get sued because Huddleston patented their tail design from the beginning.
I think one of the best benefits is that it gives the consumers more options. The copies are obviously redundant but it gives us a larger chance to find a bait of that type
Absolutely. When Megabass sells something for $20, there's always going to be demand for the knock off version.
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But that doesn’t mean we need 5 copies. All that does is saturate the market with garbage. Of course, the hobbyist angler should to start questioning their mental fortitude when they “need” $20 baits to catch bass…. Which I think adds to all of the expensive bait hype. People get this idea in their head that they won’t catch anything unless they’re rigged to gills like a career angler making a living from fishing.
@@ryanwilson5936 I agree with the 2nd half of what you said, for sure....but the saturating market thing I disagree....options are good for the consumer.
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Options are a good thing. But too many options are not. I work retail in the fishing department of a big Michigan outdoors store. I see it all too often. With too many options, customers can get frustrated by the severely minute differences between similar baits and that causes them to not branch out and find new stuff. Typically, they end up buying what they’ve been use to buying the last 20 years. Even if it sucks. You try to show them different options and most people just aren’t interested. A lot of it ends up just not selling. Chatterbaits are big one where nobody branches away from Z-Man. Nobody buys Slobberknockers. And, usually, if there are 5-6 copies of a bait, the only ones selling are the original and the competitor that matches that original the closest. Which is usually only one competitor.
I suppose I can only speak for my store and what we sell/don’t sell but when a bait starts having 4,5,…6 copies…. it’s just too much and most of it goes on clearance.
Lures manufacturers has been copying since day one . Nothing new guys. I been watching this since the 80s. Soft plastic always was fair game.
Berkley is known for stealing designs. Ppl don't know the berkley gilly was a stolen design from a Japanese company.
Check out the Megabass: Magdraft Ayu Twitcher/Toucher, Magdraft Hasu River/Raver, Sleeper Gill, Sleeper Craw, and some other Japanese Megabass stuff. And the Bass Mafia Daingerous swimbait; (Berkley Powerbait: Gilly, Powerstinger, Paddlin Powerstinger)-I think someone should make a Paddlin Gilly. Jawbone soft plastic rigged swimbait and crawfish crankbait with claws hard bait. 6th sense: The Hangover, Divine Swimbaits, Whale Swimbait, Sweep (Split Swimbait), and Panorama.
I guess some of them probably works better in some areas and temperatures or maybe even how it's fished
I’ve just recently got fishing and picked up a Nessie from Bass Pro shops about six or seven dollars in the shad color black tail. It’s a Berkeley I went out fishing this weekend couple days ago with it and it seems to look like a shad just swimming through the water when it when it goesto it the bristle tails is like a plastic brush I guess
One of the instances I don't get are the magdraft vs daingerous ( I'm guessing because people just hate googan and know bass mafia is basically googan). The OG is a great bait and will continue to be a great bait when fished at that 1 special speed mid column and megabass wasn't going make any changes to it. Why would soyboys be mad to get a redesigned version of a great bait that is going to be more superior fished through cover and along the bottom and able to fished at different retrieval speeds. It's not a replacement it's a complimentary bait
I’m of the belief that most baits are different but similar……. I think we should look at patent laws and sit back and enjoy the competition as we are definitely winners as consumers.
This stuff has been happening for so long. I no longer care. Like you said if they are not readily available here in the USA then a big USA based co.pany will fill that void and make it more affordable.
you could say the same thing about all the stick baits
Look at the hook up tackle. Almost all Jbm … I’ve seen lures that came out years ago get copied here now. The gilly, the new Berkely soft glide bait. Mag draft and bass mafia are the same… so many copy’s
Googan revolver isn't a direct rip-off, yes they're all "prop baits" but revolver is different enough to not be a rip off. The others may have inspired it but not a rip off
Googan’s entire model is “steal this bait and sell it to 10yr olds that don’t know the original exists”. Also “toxicity” is lame asf, take the hate bc a lot of it is warranted and A LOT of ppl need the medicine lol
It's easy really. The little guys are looking to make baits that work as there baits have to outpreform the more well known brands. If the big boy's copy eachother I don't really care. Look at the car industrie. Like I dont care if a multi million company steals from atnother multi million brand. But we as consumers kinda have the responebility to back up the little guy when the big guys start to steal. it's not a 100% bullet proof argument from my side I know that.
But yeah, we as consumers really must start to stick up for the little guys we have to, who else will?
The do alive beaver that y'all showed look super similar to a Nories "escape twin" which I've been using since 2017
i think we need more innovation and i mean i fish googan squad baits and Sixth Sense both so i cant tell the difference in the lipless other than the colors and the eyes the shapes are the same and heck i dont care they fish the same
You could buy a matching paddle tail mold and super glue your tails to the mega bass!
I am 100% fine with making a bait in the category that is 100% ok but don’t like the straight up copy that is incredibly similar to an existing bait.
Googan and 6 sense used the same manufacturer back in the day. So how do you copy?
Dolive Beaver is often out of stock and way more expensive than the Rapala version. So I’m gonna give Rapala a shot. Whether Jacob Wheeler’s contention that he worked to add some innovations to the Rapala version, time on the water will tell. But knee-jerk moanings about knock-offs are silly. I love the guys at The Hookup Tackle but their constant complaints about knockoffs strikes me as sour grapes triggered by protecting their JDM business.
Chris zaldain Just came out with a line through swim bait that looks exactly like that, so where did that come from the loaded swim bait 6 inch
I believe the first cover scat model was actually made back in the '90s. A company called phantom Tackle made a bait called fish stix. It was a soft plastic Zara spook that you Texas rig with a single hook. Not identical but pretty close.
I think if a "remanufactured" bait can either meet market demand that the original cannot after a decent amount of time, improve the bait, or improve the pricing substantially, i am okay with it. These JDM Baits at $2 a soft bait that you can never find are not breaking my heart being ripped off.
Fair
It’s one thing for an American company to copy a JDM design but make it more available here.
It’s another thing for CCP-run Temu to do it AND steal your personal info 😂
Baits are like t shirts change the name color add a design call it your own.