How to Tune your Intel 13th & 14th desktop CPU using Intel's Recommended Guideline + Undervolting

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  • @TECHOSAUR
    @TECHOSAUR  4 месяца назад +1

    Remember that there could be some varation between CPU model so some values like ICCMAX will be set to different values between i5, i7 and i9, Also i9 should have Extreme Profile other than Baseline & Performance
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    You can download My Updated XTU profile with ICCMAX to 307A here: drive.google.com/file/d/1bBDGn9X9SG4CjAP0OgKd0pxkELZ7y-pk/view?usp=drive_link
    Tips that may help changing microcode 104 : www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/10b9p6w/undervolting_on_b760/
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  • @martinleblanc6650
    @martinleblanc6650 4 месяца назад +3

    Thank you for that! I have a Z790 PG Lightning/D4 and your guide is exactly what I was looking for.

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  4 месяца назад

      glad to know 😌

    • @luka9127
      @luka9127 Месяц назад

      can you make a guide for the 13900k?

  • @seylaw
    @seylaw 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for your guides, I am on an NZXT N5 Z690 which also uses Asrock hardware and BIOS underneath. Your undervolt values work great. I haven't pushed my 14700KF yet and played it safe with limiting PL2 to 175W. Even in that limited state, performance is more than enough for me at the moment (above 31000 points in CB R23).

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  4 месяца назад

      Great to know. I didn't know that NZXT uses ASRock hardware. So, is the BIOS menu more or less similar to the one I have?
      Did you also get the Intel default profile option lately via a BIOS update?

    • @seylaw
      @seylaw 4 месяца назад +1

      @@TECHOSAUR The BIOS menu looks nearly the same and the features are almost identical, I haven't seen the CPU indicator though. BIOS updates are trickling down to NZXT in a rather slow way, it takes them some time to adjust it to the NZXT theme and customizations, I think. Hence I haven't seen any of the latest BIOS work yet. But I hope I will get these latest features sooner or later.

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  4 месяца назад

      ​​@seylaw Yes i got this one with the Power Delivery Profiles on 11 June, but the CPU indicator by end of 2023

  • @realexmny
    @realexmny 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you! Just found this one (commented on your previous one). Question: does the 'microcode' update actually change the processor itself? In other words, if I get a new Intel 14th gen processor, should I rerun the latest BIOS update? Or does the microcode update only update the chipset control on the motherboard?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад +1

      Microcode updates are software updates for the processor. They're loaded through the BIOS at startup, not stored on the processor permanently. When you install a new processor, like an Intel 14th gen, it’s better to update your BIOS to ensure it includes the latest microcode for optimal performance and security. The BIOS, along with these updates, is stored on a specific IC chip on the motherboard.

  • @robertswan3899
    @robertswan3899 2 месяца назад +1

    Thank you so much for such an informative guide regarding a complex subject. You explain things very clearly keep up the amazing work :)

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  2 месяца назад

      Thanks,pal! Knowing this pleases me You guys deserve the best, and I strive to meet that expectation 🙂

  • @valentinosgsxr
    @valentinosgsxr 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for the clear explanations and the awesome guide!

  • @karakoram_
    @karakoram_ 3 месяца назад +2

    1:14 I see 0.912V on your screen and on my MSI B760 with i7-14700K the default (auto) is around 1.050V. Is it normal? Should I shift down below 0.920 ?
    On other videos I also saw values below 1V (typically 0.96-0.98) on this and other 14gen processors. Don't know what to think. Does my MB overvolt my CPU significantly by default???

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад

      Did you undervolt it or leave it at default? Also, do you have the most recent BIOS update installed?
      Also, what voltage are you getting under stressful workloads? It might give some insight if you have a higher offset.

  • @dave4433
    @dave4433 13 дней назад

    Informative video. Have to convert it for an Asus Bios z690. Any idea why XTU stress test literally does nothing? Press start, and there is no load, no heat buildup. Nothing. Stays at 5-7% CPU usage.

  • @MilijanDavidović
    @MilijanDavidović 2 месяца назад +2

    Hi, can you do it with 14900k and the latest 0x12b microcode update? I have the asrock z790 pg riptide and i dont know what i need to do for the best experience

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  2 месяца назад

      I don't have this CPU, very sorry

  • @silverfox2832
    @silverfox2832 4 месяца назад +2

    So I have a question, is it safe to underclock the 14700K WITHOUT undervolting it? I don't mind losing performance if it increases stability and longevity of the CPU in the long run.

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  4 месяца назад +2

      Sure, but what are your concerns about undervolting? If you are not interested in spending time to figure out the optimal point at which it's stable at a given voltage per ratio like i did here, you can undervolt it in offset by about 0.075 - 0.100 mV, yet it should be stable most of the time. Also, reducing clocks will make it cooler. Undervolting became a necessity for modern Intel CPUs. They ship with ridiculous high voltage, and even custom loop solutions struggle

    • @silverfox2832
      @silverfox2832 4 месяца назад

      ​@@TECHOSAUR Okay cool. I agree with the fact that intel 13th/14th gen seem to be running hot on default settings.
      I have reduced P-cores to 4.8 GHz and E-cores to 3,6 GHz moreover done an undervolt of -0,165V, PL1=PL2= 218W. ICCmax = 307 A. LLC 1,1 mOhm.
      Intel Turbo Boost Max - Disabled.
      Cinebench 2024 CPU (multicore) score 1783 with max temp 62°C (average 59-60°C) on these settings.
      Core voltages (both P and E cores) stayed under 1,2 V.
      I use EK-AIO 360 mm.
      No crashes until now.
      I was thinking of undervolting further, however could this damage my system in any way? Or would I just risk instability from too much undervolting?
      Moreover would it be better with a lower LLC?

  • @tyiu5629
    @tyiu5629 3 месяца назад

    Thank you. I used your previous XTU settings to undervolt my CPU and things have worked just fine. With the latest microcode update, I came running back to see if you have any insights. Am I correct in concluding that I really do not need to do much different in XTU (other than lowering the power limit)? Thanks again

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад

      Also, in XTU, I've changed the iccmax according to Intel's guidelines.
      It used to be unlimited.
      Just make sure you have the latest microcode update, and if you like to undervolt with XTU, you can safely use those XTU settings, I've got no issues post-update

  • @leannanavaeh7842
    @leannanavaeh7842 2 месяца назад +1

    Unfortunately enabling XMP 1 will cause overclock ram failures for msi z790 motherboards. Any setting changes that can help with this or will intel users have to wait for an update with this?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  2 месяца назад

      Did you check if your RAM is fully QVL-compatible with the motherboard?

  • @gabrielbravo
    @gabrielbravo 4 месяца назад +2

    Thank you, will you update your guide, for undervolt in bios with this new bios, testing level 3.5? greetings

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  4 месяца назад

      I may try!
      Thanks for the support

  • @cn21gaming57
    @cn21gaming57 Месяц назад +1

    Hi do you still recommend BIOS default after the 0x12B bios? I have a 13600k on a B760m Steel Legend board and I have two profiles Bios default and Baseline. Which one should I choose?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  Месяц назад

      The default BIOS is the one I'm still using!

    • @cn21gaming57
      @cn21gaming57 Месяц назад

      @@TECHOSAUR Great! Can you confirm one thing? Does the Intel microcode fix apply to both Baseline profile and Bios default?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  Месяц назад

      A microcode update doesn’t depend on the BIOS set power delivery profile. It’s coded in the processor, akin to CPU firmware, so it will affect all profiles at all times. I’m using the default BIOS settings and applying my undervolting settings. Since this was the latest microcode update according to Intel, I may disassemble this build soon to get Arrow Lake, also for similar guides

    • @cn21gaming57
      @cn21gaming57 Месяц назад +1

      @@TECHOSAUR Right got you thanks.
      Also I don't know if you noticed this but after the latest bios update, the TV information table is not there in the bios anymore. I saw this on another asrock board in a video as well.
      Is it the same for you?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  Месяц назад

      @@cn21gaming57 yes, might be a bug, coz it was like this before too then it was visible in last ones now its gone again..

  • @j_shelby_damnwird
    @j_shelby_damnwird 4 месяца назад +1

    Updating my BIOS today, this will come in handy, thank you very much!
    EDIT: After the update (BIOS Default delivery profile) I immediately ran a stability 30 min. test on Cinebench R23 and experienced thermal throttling, the ranking was very low, 1580 pts. Cooling the cpu with a 280 NZXT AIO & a contact frame. I set all fans at performance mode. Any suggestions to lower the temps and improve my results?
    Also: what does Intel mean with this: Intel Recommendations, Default settings for the 13700k: "Intel recommends using the 'Performance' Power Delivery Profile if supported by the voltage regulator (VR) and motherboard design."
    I'm confused, aren't they contradicting themselves since this profile lies outside their recommendations, as you mention in the video?
    My mobo is a Taichi Z690, so is it safe the use the performance delivery profile?

    • @delyircz
      @delyircz 4 месяца назад

      same for me

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад +1

      To answer your question, every motherboard has a different quality and quantity of voltage regulators (VRs). Depending on that, you can have a more stable and regulated system for handling your hardware under higher power. High-end motherboards use a better VR system that ensures the highest and most stable performance under most circumstances, while budget ones naturally get the minimum to make them work, limiting them to using more basic power delivery current.
      It's more up to motherboard vendors to make their products capable of the higher performance delivery profiles set by Intel.

  • @arrowlakes
    @arrowlakes 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for the updated guide, I hope you can get more motherboards to test. Asus Z790-F mid range would be good, with a 14700k and you can compare the bios software gui and settings. Liked and subbed. Good luck and thanks again for your efforts.

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  4 месяца назад

      Thanks for the support, I'll try my best!
      Do you currently have any issues with your motherboard? In any case, I can try to help.

  • @alexanderhayward1564
    @alexanderhayward1564 4 месяца назад +2

    Hey man, thank you VERY much for putting so much effort into creating another video to solve the issues that we all have with 14700K. I also saw your other two videos about undervolitng and changing core ratio. I have a AS Rock b760 Pro RS Wifi and its really weird as I simply cant change the CPU core voltage or core ratio. The settings are grey and cant be changed, neither in XTU nor in BIOS directly. I already tried a lot and among other things I changed the microcode setting in BIOS, afterwards the yellow lightning disappeared in XTU but the rest of the settings (Core Voltage and Core Ratio) still cant be changed and are still displayed in grey. I read all the comments from your other videos and it looks like many people with b760 have this issue. Do you have any ideas left what I / we could do? The reddit link a posted a few times alreay is unfortunately not working any longer. Thank you very much man!

    • @serajr
      @serajr 4 месяца назад +1

      Same here. Did you get the settings working somehow?

    • @Golden2Talon
      @Golden2Talon 3 месяца назад +2

      @@serajru both dont have Z board. You cant

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад +1

      I don't intend to spread misinformation. I've never owned a B760 or any B chipset motherboard, so I don't know how to address the issue. I've seen many comments so far people asking the same stuff u ask, and it makes me feel bad that I can't help much. I'll do my best to get a B motherboard as soon as possible, and if I find a fix, I'll make sure to make a specific video about it. If the current Reddit posts aren't helping, then that's all I can do for now. I'll try to get a motherboard myself and experiment on solutions.
      Thanks

    • @valentinosgsxr
      @valentinosgsxr 3 месяца назад

      There are reasons why there are different chipsets for the same platforms. And you just figured out one!

  • @Manoloalube
    @Manoloalube 3 месяца назад

    Excellent. Very informative. Thank you very much.

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад

      You deserve all the best my friend!

  • @chandula.perera
    @chandula.perera 3 месяца назад +1

    Hey! Thank you for the video! I just updated my bios to the newest version with the microcode 129, changed the settings in BIOS as you did (however, a few settings were not there on the asus bios), and ran XTU with the same settings, but my temps still reach 98c, thermal throttles on Cinebench24. The newest Asus bios came with only two profile mode, Perfomance and Asus Advanced OC profile.
    Specs: i7-14700K, Asus TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI D4, Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360.
    What can be done? I want to prioritize longevity over performance.

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад +2

      ASUS boards do have a lot of AI and automated features that will override all your manual tweaks. You need to make sure to have them all disabled and use the Intel power delivery profile in combination with your manual undervolting.
      I personally don't currently have an ASUS board on hand, so my guidance will be limited. I'm trying to secure more parts to demonstrate with. It's just a matter of time, I hope.
      But I can tell you to try changing SVID behavior. For my brother, who has an ASUS Z790 Hero, he uses the "best case scenario" option and said it's the only one that works for him not reaching a high temperature after manually undervolting.
      But you may need to switch between them to find the right one.
      He also has ASUS multicore enhancement set to "enabled - remove all limits."
      He has the performance preference set to the ASUS advanced OC profile.
      His temperatures never exceed 77°C
      He tells me the most important change is the SVID behavior, his cpu pts is 96 and its 13900k

    • @chandula.perera
      @chandula.perera 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@TECHOSAUR thank you and your brother! changing just the SVID to 'worst case scenario' did the trick for me. Temps now stable around 86c, except P-core 5 and 7 which goes to 92. Performance is ok too, Cinebench 23 score was 31K, Cinebench 24 score 1650. No throttling.
      'Best case scenario' was unstable, gave bluscreens. 'Typical scenario' was ok but poor performance and 59c temps.
      If you or your brother have any tips on increasing the performance a bit, let me know! thank you so much for the help!

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад +1

      @chandula.perera, we are glad to help.
      Did you get this new temperature before undervolting with XTU?
      I’m curious to know if you could get it down further.
      My brother sends his regards. He’s glad to help. It’s interesting how everyone is mad at Intel for having unstable processors, but my brother is completely relaxed with his 13900k and has never had an issue. He did some manual BIOS configurations, and they’ve worked for him after trial and error. His only time getting poor stability was due to RAM compatibility. Once he contacted Corsair, they helped him find the right kit that’s compatible with his Hero motherboard 6400mhz 4 DIMMs 6gb, and since then, it’s been working well. He plays mostly games like Alan Wake 2, Persona, Dying Light 2, Lies of P, and he’s never had a problem with his CPU. Temperatures in games are around 50°C.
      But he has custom loop cooling, and his P cores are 5.5 GHz.
      E cores are auto.
      Maybe that’s why it’s stable; lower clocks plus undervolting reduce the likelihood of CPU failure and crashing.
      If you are interested in undervolting, I hope to help.

    • @chandula.perera
      @chandula.perera 3 месяца назад

      @@TECHOSAUR So I tweaked around a more and found a sweet spot I think. I enabled ASUS advanced OC profile, and kept SVID at 'worst case scenario'. Without XTU undervolting the temps reach 100c and it power throttles, with XTU though, it works super good! no throttling, temps reach max 86c and that's only p core 5 and 7, other cores are always below 80c. My undervolt is at 0.090, anything higher, applications start to crash. Now I get a score of 33K on cinebench 23.
      What scores did your brother get? also, what are his PL1 and PL2 limits? I'd like to tweak around a bit more and see if I can reduce the temps.

  • @naandhankadavul340
    @naandhankadavul340 Месяц назад +1

    My i7 14700k cpu is thermal throttling in intel xtu and cinibench .
    The temperature is reaching 100 .
    I have checked the cooler and thermal paste everything is good and the temperature is normal in other tasks .
    The tdp of my 14700k reaches more than 210 w in cini bench and intel xtu stress test and thermal throttling .
    What can i do ?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  Месяц назад

      Did you undervolt your CPU? That's the way to do it!
      Also, make sure you have all Intel microcod and BIOS updates installed

  • @SomethingOldSomethingNew-ux9ms
    @SomethingOldSomethingNew-ux9ms 2 месяца назад +1

    also my default avx2 voltage guard is set to 0 as standard

  • @AlexanderTheGreatester
    @AlexanderTheGreatester Месяц назад

    Are these still viable after the BIOS fix? Would they help with modeling programs?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  Месяц назад +1

      I tried them, and they are working.
      Yes, they help reduce rendering time, given that the CPU won't thermally throttle and degrade performance. If you are currently not getting problems (for example, if you monitored and it's good), they may minimally improve it.

    • @AlexanderTheGreatester
      @AlexanderTheGreatester Месяц назад

      @@TECHOSAUR I get some bad slow downs when re-meshing things. I'll give this a shot. Thanks!

  • @luka9127
    @luka9127 Месяц назад +1

    can you make a guide for the 13900k?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  Месяц назад

      Unfortunately i don't have access to many components, I try my best to get what i can but ill do my best to get a 13900k even used !
      What's ur motherboard?

    • @luka9127
      @luka9127 Месяц назад +1

      @@TECHOSAUR z790 pg lightning

  • @dreamharmonics14
    @dreamharmonics14 3 месяца назад +1

    Hi mate, I have the same processor i7 14700k I followed your steps for bios default and the settings from previous video and my result in cinebench is only 28k. I have b760m AsRock motherboard and 64gb 6000mhz 48cl, any advice to get this score higher but stable

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад

      What clock speeds are you getting throughout the test, and did you check if it's thermal throttling?
      Also, did you disable the e-cores by any chance?

    • @dreamharmonics14
      @dreamharmonics14 3 месяца назад

      @@TECHOSAUR I have checked and clock speed is 4090, temps doesn't go over 60 celsius. e core are on.

  • @Dsypher
    @Dsypher Месяц назад +1

    I get a blue screen when applying these settings. It sucks cause I’ve got good parts 😔
    It says my system can’t support the -165.00 setting

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  Месяц назад

      Did you change any BIOS settings? You will need to change the load line calibration level from the default auto to the middle level you have. For example, I have 5 levels and I chose the middle one, level 3, to stay stable after under volting, Other users had similar problems as you, and changing this usually did the trick. You can find their comments.

    • @Dsypher
      @Dsypher Месяц назад

      Yes I did but I’ll give it another go and get back to you 😊

    • @Dsypher
      @Dsypher Месяц назад

      @@TECHOSAUR yeah did all of those steps and it’s still saying system is unstable 😔

    • @Dsypher
      @Dsypher Месяц назад

      I’ve gone over doing the complete setup 4 times today as per your instructions. And it keeps saying 1 things incompatible Core voltage offset -165.0 mv
      (If I try set anything from -001.0 - -165.0 I get a BSOD)
      I have an asrock z690 steel legend motherboard

  • @rizkighalisthan1265
    @rizkighalisthan1265 3 месяца назад

    haii, im beginner for this stuffs, i have question, when i run my cinebench r23, i check my speed clocks spu through 'task manager', and it runs at 3,0GHz, is it normal?

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад

      What score are you getting in multi-core?
      It seems that you are running on the base clock, not turbo, but I need to confirm this through your final score

    • @rizkighalisthan1265
      @rizkighalisthan1265 3 месяца назад

      @@TECHOSAUR after i update my motherboard driver (z790 pg riptide wifi) and change it to performance, using deepcool ld360 with i7 14700k, and using your XTU Profile, my score only 34k++, why is that? btw im using 4080 super

  • @asaelel
    @asaelel 4 месяца назад +1

    Thanks.

  • @rolly084
    @rolly084 3 месяца назад

    I try your solution in bios default power profile after bios update microcode 0x129 and cinebench can't run it's error like your applied in performance mode.

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад +1

      Before this x129 microcode update, with the default power profile in the BIOS, did it use to work?

    • @rolly084
      @rolly084 3 месяца назад

      @@TECHOSAUR hi, before i dont try it because i just found your channel haha, after i applied new bios 😅, Is it there is something i miss ?

    • @rolly084
      @rolly084 3 месяца назад

      I use asrock ripitide z790 wifi with 14700k

  • @davidsmith4186
    @davidsmith4186 4 месяца назад +2

    Intel 13th and 14 Gen. = 🍋

  • @mrtausif5431
    @mrtausif5431 3 месяца назад

    Bro its work on i7 14700k i have asus z790 a wifi

    • @TECHOSAUR
      @TECHOSAUR  3 месяца назад

      It should do, are u getting any issue?

    • @mrtausif5431
      @mrtausif5431 3 месяца назад

      @@TECHOSAUR yea last bios heating true laggy in blender

    • @mrtausif5431
      @mrtausif5431 3 месяца назад

      @@TECHOSAUR today i update bios my motherboard. Last update to much laggy i cant understand when i perchace i saw your after 6 month i realize my pc is burning i saw your vedio can you make a vedio in detail vedio on best performance setting