I watched both of these x870 and x870e videos twice. Massively helpful, I decided on the mag x870 Tomahawk with no regrets. You have detailed every aspect of every board very clearly. Thanks!
Praise Jeebus! I was anxiously awaiting to see where you put the Nova as that is the one that has intrigued me most with features and looks. Thank you so much for this video! I was waiting for someone to do a full line review of the 870-E and you nailed it!
one thing you didn't take into consideration with the gigabytw boards. If you want a white board there is absolutely ZERO competition the pro ice and the elite ice are in a league of their own with the white connectors . I'd have loved to go an s tier board but my pc is a white build. All the other boards are not even worth considering.
@@discardedmeat I agree as Gigabyte Used the cheaper Layer count, Audio is only ALC1220 whish has been out for years and should have used the latest ALB4080 audio and they lowered their power stages to 60A instead of their older boards with 80AMP power stages. They used to be my GO TO but ever since their B650 boards going down hill at a higher cost I am changing brands.
Thanks for this chart. I was able to grab the 870E Nova WIFI for my upcoming 9800x3d build. I was waffling a bunch on all the options, and your enthusiasm on the value of this board helped drive my decision.
Nice catch of the 6L PCB on the Aorus Pro. It was on my short list, but now it made my shortlist even shorter by being taken off of it. ASRock really seems to have checked as many boxes as they can with both the Taichi and Nova for the price. They are on my list as well. Great video! Thank you!
It's funny how subjective you let this be. The Taichi Lite being on a tier beneath the Taichi despite being functionally identical is...well...rather comical. "No RGB"...."No quick release" Good. I don't know who replaces their GPUs daily or weekly. The quick release actually becomes useful at that point, but the number of people reseating/replacing a GPU more than once every two years is very, very small. And no RGB is a feature for many people. Fun tier list, but people should know that it's incredibly subjective.
I will admit now that I just got the new Nova X870e the quick release is a really nice thing to have, I honestly don't regret going with the Nova over the Taichi boards
his argument for the quick release is a giant air cooler, which is true some builds to release the gpu you may have to take apart or take off the air cooler which sucks. That being said if you're buying a Taichi 9/10 air cooling was never even in the same room and it's an imaginative point reduction for no reason. That's like saying a race car is getting reduced points because it's rims are too wide to handle an all season street tire it's never going to use or was intended to use.
Just purchased the MSI Carbon. Not too worried about the $50 price difference since I plan on using it for several years. The overall features and bios is worth the price in my book!
This is the board I'm sorta leaning toward now too. What's kinda strange is that the 2nd pcie slot operates only in x4 mode, which seems to also put the first slot in x8. I'm trying to find a board that has 3 total pcie slots and where PCIE #2 is a) wired to the CPU b) isn't blocked by a wide 4090 card plugged into PCIE #1. (PCIE #3 is just for an audio card, so I only need x1 lane for it and assume it'll be tied to the chipset)
Thank you for your diligence in preparing the X870E motherboard comparison data, which is interesting and useful. I would like to give you some feedback on the Asrock X870E Nova WiFi that you placed in the 'S+' category. "AMD X870/X870E Roundup, 21 Boards Tested" by "Hardware Unboxed" in RUclips found this motherboard had the worst high speed memory stability of all 21 X870/X870E motherboards tested: Asrock had a rock bottom score (pun intentional) of only 7400 MT/sec maximum speed for DDR5 memory (manual timings; 1 hour Prime95) while just under half the boards were stable at 8000 or higher. The Nova also failed to boot with DDR5-8000 EXPO memory. 'Hardware Unboxed' is a very professional Australian channel, so it would be interesting if you could either verify his results or contest them. How much improvement can one expect from a BIOS update? I'm not advocating that these AMD motherboards must run with DDR5-8000 RAM, however it does give peace of mind when operating with DDR5-6000 (for example) that there's adequate room for stable performance. Keep in mind that memory failures don't suddenly cut in at a specific frequency - it is a gaussian distribution implying that the chances of failure are diminished the further away you are from a DDR5 frequency that definitely fails. In addition, I also found other data points he measured interesting, e.g. VRM temperature measured under controlled conditions. With thanks for your cooperation on this.
If you look at real world reviews from individuals who own the Nova it gets nothing but 5 star ratings. I watched the Hardware unboxed video too, and even with the inability to run 8000 ram (which other boards failed as well) it did run 6000 (and up to 7400) which is what my AMD Ryzen 9800X3D works best with. Additionally, he was very pleased with the massive amount of VRM and even he said the Nova was at the top for value. You don’t have to buy the “rock bottom” board if you don’t want to, there are a tone of other crappy lane sharing boards out there for you that will degrade your gpu frames per second. Feel free to get one of those, LOL
@@johnjoy6374of course they 5 stared it. The price to value is insane. It was rated S tier for that reason, but it still has its short comings. (Not pushing DDR-5-8000 is one of them for sure). Where can I verify that 7400 clock speeds are optimal for the 9800x3D?
@ Well, 7400 isn’t optimal according to several tests (all three that I have seen were done using Asus Crosshairs Hero x870e) I have seen and AMDs recommendations. AMD states that 6000 with a 28 latency, and 1 to 1 with clock speeds is the best. I have seen test scores that showed 6000, 6400, 7200, 7600, 8000. With the increase in latency the higher you go, the amazing thing was that you don’t get all that much better performance at all. The sweet spot in two of the three tests (the other one was 6000, just like AMD stated) was 6400 with a latency of 30, and running 1 to 1. Once you get to 7200, you are running a latency of 36, and running 1 to 2 and are out of sync for clock speed. 8000, gets you nominal performance gains, at a much higher latency, and a much bigger price tag. Oh, and stability is better on all motherboards at 7200 and below, the lower the better. I personally have 6000, 28 latency, 64gb on two dimms. I was going to do 4 16gb because it looks better, but testing showed the 2 dimms of 32 for a total of 64 was fast than 4 16gb dimms, and put less stress on the memory controller. I hope that answers your question. Bottom line, faster isn’t always better, slower is about the same preference, cheaper, and more stable. Also, the Asrocks are the best for this particular chip and socket set currently, because they don’t lane share with the GPU.
If they made the NOVA in White (currently building a PC - searching for motherboards) then I would be 100% buying it! I would have absolutely ZEERO problems paying for the dreaded 'White Component Tariff" either. In today's age it's unheard of to find a board of these features to be sold at this price. Digital Post Code, thick azz back plate (having one at all, even!), the Audio, Power Delivery etc.
@@doorsbhbesides the Taichi Carrera there is no other top end board that is white. And even then it's a panda. For white boards there's nothing that touches Gigabyte which is sad considering features :(
@@Elricky124 How can scaplers sell it for much more than MSRP when you can just by the Taichi Lite for $399? Who would pay more than that for the NOVA?
exactly he goes on and on and on about how you should go buy "this" motherboard, WHAT mother board? gotta rewind. oh THAT one is good too what is it called go back to the one time he said the name. Just a bad video all around.
Thank you for these videos, I think you are the best youtuber so far to explain the motherboards. Btw, omg I just saw you placed the NOVA S+! I wanted to buy that exact board! I didn't know it was that good and nobody has reviewed it so far.
I got the x870E Hero as well because of the missing post code display and nitropath of the ProArt. 5 GbE will have to do. I also have the 9950X, so the same CPU and MB as you. I got 4x48gb Ram (G.Skill 6400) running at 5200 MT/s (VDDSOC 1.25 V, UCLK DIV1 MODE 1:1), but no luck going higher than that. I don't know enough about impedances and timing controls to get anywhere with those (Processor ODT etc). It would be great if you could do a guide on that (for 192gb RAM), not necessarily to reach the magic 6000, but just to get a little bit further, like 5400 or 5600. You mentioned that just copying your numbers doesn't necessarily work, so a guide on what one might try, how to approach it, would be great.
yeah, that memory speed compromise is holding me (so far) from upgrading, considering even to go with 96 because of that and probably upgrade again next gen, hopefully they will sort these things out
Why didn’t you get the X670E Hero then? I’m pretty sure it would have been cheaper and the only thing that’s lacking is Wifi7. The X870E chipset is copy-paste X670E with mandatory Wifi7 and USB4 (the latter which the older Hero already had)
@@kerotomas1 @kerotomas1 The X670E only has one 2.5 GbE port, so it was never a candidate for me. NitroPath was an argument for the X870E Hero over the ProArt. Plus the code display and possible improvements in memory traces.
I wish there were more all white options. I ended up going with the Gigabyte because it’s the only white option for x870e. Looks beautiful but lacks many features 😢
@@naegleriafowleri2230 Only for sopmeone who needs the features of the Taichi and those people are few and far between. For 90+% of gamers, the Phantom Gaming would be more than enough.
I am very grateful there are people like you that have the interest and time do do this. I simply do not have the time to go this deep, so thanks! Subed and liked.
I'm so glad I went with the Asrock X870e NOVA Wifi, I feel like it's the best bang for the buck and Asrock has always had good customer service and quality parts
ASUS options are mostly garbage at $700 and only 2 PCIe slots and NO 10G NIC? Excellent reviews, thank you. And why so many M.2 slots?? I buy ONE 4TB M.2 and 10G to NAS, that's the majority of folks that will be paying $500 or more for a motherboard. I can't find the MSI X870E godlike anywhere, not even listed on MSI website (US)?
They provide you with garbage to prevent your motherboard from being used for too long, but because they provide garbage motherboard options, you will not choose the garbage motherboard they provide, well. . This is a dilemma
@@yuan.pingchen3056 Oddly, I’ve been having failures with ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte boards within past 2 years … prior to that decades without any Motherboard failures. It’s like post COVID quality control at these companies had taken a dive bomb … no wonder ASUS are trying to skip out of RMA with such high failure rates.
i have 2 gen 4 4tb nvme's in my strix e-e x670, one 8tb is 600 on sale, 2 4tb is 250 normal. plus i can use up to 3 x gen 5 m.2's if i want on a 3 year old mobo, with no gpu sharing
Well, I agreed with your conclusions re the X670 crop of mobo's - The Aorus Master - with it's two M.2 [CPU]'s with no GPU lane sharing, was the clear choice! And again, this time around, I can only agree that this entire, hugely disappointing crop of Gigabyte X870 offerings has well and truly lost the lane sharing plot! So no Gigabyte mobo for me this time around then, sadly. You learn a BIOS, eh, and... Which mobo I do go with is yet to be decided. But I absolutely must have at least two M.2 [CPU]'s with no GPU lane sharing. To this end, your X*70E Tier Lists are once again proving to be a valuable piece of research. Very many thanks. Phil.
@@yuan.pingchen3056 You’re confusing producers with listeners. It doesn’t have the nicer DAC or AMP the Taichi boards have, so sound quality through high-impedance headphones will be thinner and less clean. I have an old Z390 Taichi board with premium audio and it sounds way better than my old mini PC with basic audio.
For Aorus Master you can use Gen5 M2 drive on M2A_CPU slot and Gen5 GPU and they will both work at full speed. Only M2B and M2C M2 slots are sharing lanes with the GPU
@@thunderhead1969I just got both Nova and Taichi from Newegg RN, if you’re interested I’m only keeping one. Should be here before thanksgiving hopefully. Lmk
In the end I’ve purchased Carbon. I’ve spent so many hours learning and comparing boards. But in the end ASrock boards in Ukraine are not cheaper at all… taichi have the same price tag as carbon. I dislike in taichi placement of the GPU pci slot…
Good choice, what made me go the same route is the ASrock boards have usb 2.0 ports which I feel like at this point is disrespectful for an s tier board
The only thing that annoys me is the comparison to Asus x870e Motherboards. I can't really see x870e-e and the Pro Art together in the same tier because Pro Art has more Problems than as seen. First: Pro Art suffers heavly to using never the middle PCIe slot because of big two dual slots graphics cards sufficating each other by not able to breath enough AIR and you aren't able to install a dual chasis Aio PUMP for the dual graphics cards, except you run CPU Air cooling (stupid choise if somone wants more cooling). Second: Pro Art suffers of not having a Asynchronous E-Clock like the x870e-e and the x870e Hero. Third: Charching with any USB device it runs more porly than the other two. Fourth: Lacks postcode severe as the only x870e . Fith: It has the minimum Powerstages design like the Gigabyte 6 layer PCB of x870e (If a CPU from AMD wants more wattage or most likely performence in the next generations, it can make issues in the future, espacially very high overclocking. Sixth: To expensive for being a $450-$520 motherboard in this competiton. The only Advantage that the Pro Art has is Dual Ehernet and one 10G Ethernet PCIe sharing and fan hubs almost the same with the x870e-e. I'm yepping because Asus missed the point of a Pro Art again or otherwise said you failed because you don't wanna improve consumer lives in this leading segments and name shemes.
Yeah, and as stated in the video I kind of want the ProArt in B tier because of no post code. But I think the motherboard is supposed to use blower style GPUs based on the PCIE slot spacing. Being $479 with no post code is kind of a fail in my mind but it's the only motherboard with DP In and does provide 10g for far less money compared to the Godlike.
I view this MB differently. Overclocking is going against the productivity focus of this MB, which is my primary desire. Stability and 10GB ethernet. win me over. I have the x670e version of this MB.
I agree that its nice the Nova doesn't have any lane sharing, but its not like most people will need more than one Gen 5 NVME drive. Just pop a 4TB drive in there, and if you need more, use a Gen 4 slot without losing any lanes. Right?
Hello, I enjoyed the video. I have a question. In my country, Nova costs 442 dollars, carbon costs 499 dollars, taichi costs 557 dollars. Is it right to buy carbon in this case?
@@ouraskc6137 I have a b650e-e and I'm having microcode issues with my mobo. Bios resets whenever I unplug the psu from the wall. No it's not bios battery issue as well since I changed it three times with new batteries(also checked the voltages of the batteries with a DMM and all are fine). Also time and date doesn't reset or change, only the bios settings. CMOS reset didn't fix it as well. It's not a cpu and ram issue as well since I torture tested it for HOURS and all are stable. Haven't had any blue screen or crashes either. Just that single annoying issue. Honestly I'm tempted to get the nova too or probably the msi tomahawk but that board design is not that good for me.
Hi, I’m sorry to bother you but you seem extremely knowledgeable. I’m trying to figure out which mobo to get for my white build. I have a 7800x3d and am stuck between Asus x870a Rog strix or the x870 aorus elite… haven’t found any other options that are all white. I’m wanting to use two gen 4 m.2 ssds while not having the pcie lanes to the gpu used at all. I want to be future proofed for 50 series. Any help is very appreciated. Have a blessed day.
Sadly no white options for those boards yet. You can use the gen 4 ssds in the 2 gen 5 slots without effecting the lane for the gpu but if you use any of the other 3 i believe your gpu will go from 16x to 8x . You can look up the online manual or ask Asus directly. If you’re buying this board and spending that much cash why not buy a Gen 5 to get those Gen 5 speeds ? Save extra money and get the full potential of your set up
I am undecided. Price is not important The best features and performance I want. ASROCK X870E Taichi and ASUS ROG STRIX X870E-E Gaming WiFi? Which one do you think your comment is valuable to me.
Hey man love your knowledge and videos! What kind of ram can i use that i can max out for the rog 870e hero? Like ddr5 6400 4×48 gb? Or is that even usable? Any recommendations?
192gb of DDR5 is possible but not at high speeds. 4800 will work. 5200 and 5600 also might work. I'm currently testing 192gb at 5600 on the X870E Taichi but will be testing possibly 6000 in the future. In general aim for a Hynix M-die based kit that has either 5600 or 6000 as the EXPO profile.
Nice Video, was very helpful! It was the first Video i saw from you and i like it 😊 I appreciate your Style of presentation, good explained, not overcomplicated but still detailed enough, really enjoy your way of talking that's especially why i often avoid Gamers Nexus because he sounds so extremely monoton, fantastic highlighting of the most important features of every entry, nice video layout and in all good Quality. Thank you very much 💝
I have watched several different videos and still can't decide what board is best for me 75% Gaming / 25% 3D Modeling 9950x3D 128gb ddr5 6000mt RTX4090 & RTX5090 (dual cards) 3x 4k60 (Sim rig - 5090) 3x 4k60 (Desktop - 4090) 4tb Gen 5 M.2
@@XX-ku7dn Actually, coming back to this, I see you specified that price is not a consideration. With that in mind, the Hero offers many more features. The thing that keeps me from considering the Tiachi is no dedicated x4 pcie, which would not take lanes from the GPU. That is why I would get the Carbon over the Taichi for $50 more. But, that is my use case. You may have no need for an x4 or may not even use the second PCIE slot; in that case I'd save the $50 and go with the Taichi. It's great that most of these boards are so good this gen that it comes down to (in many cases) use case and price.
@@RKBenchmarker I'd like the MPG Carbon if it were not for the lack of ECC memory support. Also, limiting the second PCIe 5.0 slot to x4 regardless of how many Gen 5 M.2 drives you use feels like a cost saving measure. It certainly makes the lane switching topology simpler (and therefore cheaper) than boards that run the second slot at x8 or x4 depending on the number of M.2 drives and limits the uses for a second PCIe 5.0 slot. If you were planning on running two GPUs you'd ideally want the option to run them at x8/x8. I would have preferred if the Taichi used a WiFi 7 module that supports 320MHz channel widths (e.g. the QCNCM865 or MT7927) instead of one limited to 160MHz (MT7925) but I don't personally care enough about WiFi on a desktop board for it to be a deal breaker. It can always be upgraded down the line anyway. Lack of a PCIe 4.0 x4 slot is a little frustrating but you could always use an M.2 to PCIe slot adapter to reclaim one of the M.2 slots as an x4 slot instead, especially if your case has an extra slot position below the motherboard.
Love the asrock nova too! It just disables the third pcie slot when using the fifth m.2 slot (not many people own ao many ssds) and have a MASSIVE 20 phases 110A VRM. You are 100% right saying it will go sold out, in my country (Italy) it's damn difficult to find tha board, even at inflated price (450€!!!)
Aaaaaand, interestingly enough, the ASRock 870E Nova is NOT listed for $350 on Amazon. They have it listed there for almost $500. Newegg still shows $350 though. lol
I don’t like the fact that Gigabyte has cheapened out and downgraded every single PCB from 8-layers to 6-layers with the only exception being the crazy expensive Master meanwhile the dirt cheap B650 Aorus Elite AX ( not the V2 refresh) is 8 layer
Interesting. Another aspect of the Asus ProArt X870-E has 2 x USB-4 ; 7 type A USB 3 3.2 x 2 ports - 1 USB 3 3.2 X2 C Port that's in addition to every-thig else you said about it. Thank's for the very detailed and in depth review.
great video for the difference between every board. but for performance the rank isnt base exacly on that factor. paying a 650$ cad board but having a cpu 450$ cad (ryzen 7 7700x) isnt logic in my opinion.
Hi there, yes unfortunately if you populate the second slot with most of the MB's except the Nova then you reduce the (slot) 1 x16 (lanes) Bandwidth at 32 GB/s transfer rate to 1 x8 (lanes) Bandwidth at 16GB/s (PCIe 4.0 = 4090) thus halving the data transfer rate from/to your 4090 - check some research on lane sharing between CPU / Chipset as all motherboards have different configurations when it comes to lane sharing - hope that helps 👍
I sure wish the Taichi could run the lower slot without lane sharing. I don't even need it right now, but I would want the flexibility to plug something in down the road. Meanwhile, I know I can get by with 3 m.2 slots and 4 is easily all I need. I'd take the Taichi for look and feel alone, if it offered that flexibility. But I suppose if Arrow Lake doesn't beat out 9800X3D, I'll be looking for a Nova, like everyone else watching this channel.
The Taichi's bottom slot is an x8 that pulls 8 lanes from the top slot in order to run so it does share the GPU lanes. However, none of the M.2. slots share lanes with the GPU.
@@GameTechReviews Yes, that's what I'm saying. I edited to say "wish" because autocorrect chose a different word for me and confused my meaning. I like the flexibility that the lower slot could run any device that I might want in the future, but I don't like that it would require sharing the GPU's lanes. Considering that the Nova could run an x1 sound card and a new network card without any sacrifices is realistically all I would ever want. But who knows? Then again, most things could be made to run on USB, too.
Just get the Asrock Nova, I'm going to be using it for my new gaming rig that I'm building, Just waiting for the 9800x3d processor and RTX 5090 to release
My question is this. Is having the dual architecture of the 870 E going to make any difference to the casual user. Can I get just as much performance out of the 870? What does the dual chipset DO for me. And perhaps this is a stupid question. But, neverless...I am ignorant of the answer. Thanks in advance
For most everyday scenarios, X870 and X870E won't show much of a difference. X870E has more connectivity. The other thing it has are the flagship motherboards, which feature a less known feature called Asynchronous BCLK. This is another overclocking tool that can be used to improve single thread performance.
@GameTechReviews thank you so much! I did not actually expect an answer, lol. Appreciate it very much. I am fairly quick at picking stuff up, but, I attempting my first build and the motherboard stuff can be overwhelming. It seems awful easy to buy more than you need, while also suffering from FOMO, and thinking "i better get this because I may need it down the line, even tho I have no idea what for". Like..usb c 4.0 plugs. Anyway...I digress and am getting super wordy. Point was...thank you! Lmao.
@@misael4096 not that i know just use a different Motherboard or maybe in the bios but i dont think so i will the taichi in the next month or so just ask in some months than i know for certain
Personally, I'm waiting for the NZXT N9 board to release. I know it won't be the best and the BIOS will be lacking but I think it's by far the best looking.
I like the Nova but who needs 5 M.2s? I actually like the Taichi Lite for it's LACK of RGB (subjective) and you didn't mention the 5gig ethernet or the lack of a backplate. It really comes down to user needs and preferences when you compare a lot of these, like i just dont care about quick release because I don't change parts out enough.
I am going to build a 4k setup in January/ February when the 5090 comes out ,going amd instead of intel since the 9800x3d is a beast The phantom nova is intriguing. Going to be doing a lot of research on the new motherboards to see which one is the best for me gaming 100%
Crucial Pro RAM 96GB Kit (2x48GB) DDR5 5600MHz (or 5200MHz or 4800MHz) Desktop Memory CP2K48G56C46U5 What do you think of this one? But i will need to buy this twice so about $450
On the Taichi you said "if it has the Asynch clock", did you ever confirm if this is a feature? because at its price point and with the VRM that would be huge compared to the competitors for overclocking.
уже есть видео полного разбора всех режимов BIOS, там есть эта функция. И да, ASRock постарались очень хорошо над своими платами! Я сам заказал Nova, так как мне нужен слот для звуковой карты х1, который не забирал бы каналы у х16, как это происходит у других производителей!
For how much money people are spending nowadays for motherboards I think Lane sharing is a thing for me I wouldn't want to have in 16 Lanes for the GPU so I'm kind of looking at either ASRock but I was always into ASUS or even MSI.
You are only thinking about m.2 lane sharing. The Taichi and others share lanes with the second pcil. So, if you use it, it with cut the gpu to x8. The Carbon has a dedicated x4 pcie that does not affect the gpu. Something to think about if that is a use case for you.
Unfortunately the NOVA is limited to 1 SATA RAID array 0/1 (2 Drives) the AsMedia on 3/4 do not support Raid per Asrock, they said The Taichi has an AMD controller for 6 ports and does support RAID 0/1/10 for SSD SATA III arrays. (up to 6 drives). not a big deal if you are getting the NOVA strictly for NVME and not care for much for SATA III performance or RAID capability (AsMedia is slower controller vs the AMD one)
First time hearing about the Nova and yes, sold out everywhere. GODLIKE the $1200 board (new one will probably cost more) a S 😅 they are wrong for that price, even the old one is still at $1200.
@@GameTechReviews thanks. The issue I foresee is micro-spiking in temps (for just a few secs) causing fans to ramp up and down over the same interval. The step-up/down speed directly addresses this to stop the micro-ramping effect, but the ‘workaround’ is to only let CPU fans increase when the it gets pretty hot. I think, anyway!
I watched both of these x870 and x870e videos twice. Massively helpful, I decided on the mag x870 Tomahawk with no regrets. You have detailed every aspect of every board very clearly. Thanks!
Praise Jeebus! I was anxiously awaiting to see where you put the Nova as that is the one that has intrigued me most with features and looks. Thank you so much for this video! I was waiting for someone to do a full line review of the 870-E and you nailed it!
I am now paying attention to Nova, because of the two of you. Hoping to buy it.
@@FreelancerJessMC it just came back in stock in Newegg and I was able to snag it.
These more technical videos are massively helpful over so many channels that go the simple review route. Good stuff, you earned a sub.
one thing you didn't take into consideration with the gigabytw boards. If you want a white board there is absolutely ZERO competition the pro ice and the elite ice are in a league of their own with the white connectors . I'd have loved to go an s tier board but my pc is a white build. All the other boards are not even worth considering.
I've been excessively googling PC parts for a white build all week and damn, this board really is about as good as it gets, and not in a good way.
@@discardedmeat I agree as Gigabyte Used the cheaper Layer count, Audio is only ALC1220 whish has been out for years and should have used the latest ALB4080 audio and they lowered their power stages to 60A instead of their older boards with 80AMP power stages. They used to be my GO TO but ever since their B650 boards going down hill at a higher cost I am changing brands.
@@justatim8143 which white board should we consider for white set ups ?
Thanks for this chart. I was able to grab the 870E Nova WIFI for my upcoming 9800x3d build. I was waffling a bunch on all the options, and your enthusiasm on the value of this board helped drive my decision.
Nice catch of the 6L PCB on the Aorus Pro. It was on my short list, but now it made my shortlist even shorter by being taken off of it. ASRock really seems to have checked as many boxes as they can with both the Taichi and Nova for the price. They are on my list as well. Great video! Thank you!
What's the difference between 6 and 8 in real terms though?
@@delofordgood question :)
So what did u get ?
It's funny how subjective you let this be. The Taichi Lite being on a tier beneath the Taichi despite being functionally identical is...well...rather comical. "No RGB"...."No quick release"
Good. I don't know who replaces their GPUs daily or weekly. The quick release actually becomes useful at that point, but the number of people reseating/replacing a GPU more than once every two years is very, very small. And no RGB is a feature for many people.
Fun tier list, but people should know that it's incredibly subjective.
I will admit now that I just got the new Nova X870e the quick release is a really nice thing to have, I honestly don't regret going with the Nova over the Taichi boards
@@TroyRossberg Do you change your GPU daily? Weekly? Monthly?
his argument for the quick release is a giant air cooler, which is true some builds to release the gpu you may have to take apart or take off the air cooler which sucks. That being said if you're buying a Taichi 9/10 air cooling was never even in the same room and it's an imaginative point reduction for no reason. That's like saying a race car is getting reduced points because it's rims are too wide to handle an all season street tire it's never going to use or was intended to use.
@Dante_S550_Turbo lol that's a good point actually
Just purchased the MSI Carbon. Not too worried about the $50 price difference since I plan on using it for several years. The overall features and bios is worth the price in my book!
I also went with carbon.. gonna build with it soon
I'm debating between the carbon and the strix-e, but I'm leaning towards the carbon
This is the board I'm sorta leaning toward now too. What's kinda strange is that the 2nd pcie slot operates only in x4 mode, which seems to also put the first slot in x8.
I'm trying to find a board that has 3 total pcie slots and where PCIE #2 is a) wired to the CPU b) isn't blocked by a wide 4090 card plugged into PCIE #1.
(PCIE #3 is just for an audio card, so I only need x1 lane for it and assume it'll be tied to the chipset)
@xyvyx so i did a build with this board, used 3 nvme slots for 3x 2tb samsung 990 pro. 1st slot gives 7400 speed, second and third gives 6500
Which one should I buy for getting my max ram speed
Thank you for your diligence in preparing the X870E motherboard comparison data, which is interesting and useful. I would like to give you some feedback on the Asrock X870E Nova WiFi that you placed in the 'S+' category. "AMD X870/X870E Roundup, 21 Boards Tested" by "Hardware Unboxed" in RUclips found this motherboard had the worst high speed memory stability of all 21 X870/X870E motherboards tested: Asrock had a rock bottom score (pun intentional) of only 7400 MT/sec maximum speed for DDR5 memory (manual timings; 1 hour Prime95) while just under half the boards were stable at 8000 or higher. The Nova also failed to boot with DDR5-8000 EXPO memory. 'Hardware Unboxed' is a very professional Australian channel, so it would be interesting if you could either verify his results or contest them. How much improvement can one expect from a BIOS update? I'm not advocating that these AMD motherboards must run with DDR5-8000 RAM, however it does give peace of mind when operating with DDR5-6000 (for example) that there's adequate room for stable performance. Keep in mind that memory failures don't suddenly cut in at a specific frequency - it is a gaussian distribution implying that the chances of failure are diminished the further away you are from a DDR5 frequency that definitely fails. In addition, I also found other data points he measured interesting, e.g. VRM temperature measured under controlled conditions. With thanks for your cooperation on this.
If you look at real world reviews from individuals who own the Nova it gets nothing but 5 star ratings. I watched the Hardware unboxed video too, and even with the inability to run 8000 ram (which other boards failed as well) it did run 6000 (and up to 7400) which is what my AMD Ryzen 9800X3D works best with. Additionally, he was very pleased with the massive amount of VRM and even he said the Nova was at the top for value. You don’t have to buy the “rock bottom” board if you don’t want to, there are a tone of other crappy lane sharing boards out there for you that will degrade your gpu frames per second. Feel free to get one of those, LOL
@@johnjoy6374of course they 5 stared it. The price to value is insane. It was rated S tier for that reason, but it still has its short comings. (Not pushing DDR-5-8000 is one of them for sure). Where can I verify that 7400 clock speeds are optimal for the 9800x3D?
@ Well, 7400 isn’t optimal according to several tests (all three that I have seen were done using Asus Crosshairs Hero x870e) I have seen and AMDs recommendations. AMD states that 6000 with a 28 latency, and 1 to 1 with clock speeds is the best. I have seen test scores that showed 6000, 6400, 7200, 7600, 8000. With the increase in latency the higher you go, the amazing thing was that you don’t get all that much better performance at all. The sweet spot in two of the three tests (the other one was 6000, just like AMD stated) was 6400 with a latency of 30, and running 1 to 1. Once you get to 7200, you are running a latency of 36, and running 1 to 2 and are out of sync for clock speed. 8000, gets you nominal performance gains, at a much higher latency, and a much bigger price tag. Oh, and stability is better on all motherboards at 7200 and below, the lower the better. I personally have 6000, 28 latency, 64gb on two dimms. I was going to do 4 16gb because it looks better, but testing showed the 2 dimms of 32 for a total of 64 was fast than 4 16gb dimms, and put less stress on the memory controller. I hope that answers your question. Bottom line, faster isn’t always better, slower is about the same preference, cheaper, and more stable. Also, the Asrocks are the best for this particular chip and socket set currently, because they don’t lane share with the GPU.
The Strix X870E-E also has a clock generator which should bump it up a level IMO.
I've been dying to see this video. I watched the one from last year like a hundred times. You ROCK!
If they made the NOVA in White (currently building a PC - searching for motherboards) then I would be 100% buying it! I would have absolutely ZEERO problems paying for the dreaded 'White Component Tariff" either. In today's age it's unheard of to find a board of these features to be sold at this price. Digital Post Code, thick azz back plate (having one at all, even!), the Audio, Power Delivery etc.
This is one thing I don't like on all manufacturers, they don't have white full pcb options for most of their motherboards.
@@doorsbhbesides the Taichi Carrera there is no other top end board that is white. And even then it's a panda. For white boards there's nothing that touches Gigabyte which is sad considering features :(
You will never notice the difference with the Pro ICE or Elite ICE.
Damn the Asrock X870E Nova is a steal!
And it is sold out! The scalpers are already selling it for more on EBay.
OP board.
I was lucky and got one, Awesome motherboard I love all the SSD slots it has and the quick release is so nice to have
@@Elricky124 How can scaplers sell it for much more than MSRP when you can just by the Taichi Lite for $399? Who would pay more than that for the NOVA?
Scalpers gonna do what they do. Very little brain usage
Is it so hard to show some names sometimes? I have to go through the video and search for the beginning of each board, to know what I am looking at...
exactly he goes on and on and on about how you should go buy "this" motherboard, WHAT mother board? gotta rewind. oh THAT one is good too what is it called go back to the one time he said the name. Just a bad video all around.
Would definitely make for a better video if he had the name of each under/over the pic of the mobo
Thank you for these videos, I think you are the best youtuber so far to explain the motherboards.
Btw, omg I just saw you placed the NOVA S+! I wanted to buy that exact board! I didn't know it was that good and nobody has reviewed it so far.
was thinking about doing this but u did all the hard work for me, you are the absolute greatest. thank you for ur convenience
wow great information, great research.. amazing video dude! Grats
I was interested in the Nova Wifi, but I ended up ordering the Taichi Lite because I liked the fact that it didn't have rgb. Go Asrock!
I just bought a X870e Aorus Master for $361 Used! Worth it!
Sucks that there is really only 1 option for an all white build lol will there be a similar video for just X870?
I got the x870E Hero as well because of the missing post code display and nitropath of the ProArt. 5 GbE will have to do. I also have the 9950X, so the same CPU and MB as you.
I got 4x48gb Ram (G.Skill 6400) running at 5200 MT/s (VDDSOC 1.25 V, UCLK DIV1 MODE 1:1), but no luck going higher than that. I don't know enough about impedances and timing controls to get anywhere with those (Processor ODT etc). It would be great if you could do a guide on that (for 192gb RAM), not necessarily to reach the magic 6000, but just to get a little bit further, like 5400 or 5600.
You mentioned that just copying your numbers doesn't necessarily work, so a guide on what one might try, how to approach it, would be great.
yeah, that memory speed compromise is holding me (so far) from upgrading, considering even to go with 96 because of that and probably upgrade again next gen, hopefully they will sort these things out
Why didn’t you get the X670E Hero then? I’m pretty sure it would have been cheaper and the only thing that’s lacking is Wifi7. The X870E chipset is copy-paste X670E with mandatory Wifi7 and USB4 (the latter which the older Hero already had)
@@kerotomas1 @kerotomas1 The X670E only has one 2.5 GbE port, so it was never a candidate for me. NitroPath was an argument for the X870E Hero over the ProArt. Plus the code display and possible improvements in memory traces.
I wish there were more all white options. I ended up going with the Gigabyte because it’s the only white option for x870e. Looks beautiful but lacks many features 😢
Anything from ASRock that has "Phantom Gaming" on it is going to be incredible. I feel the same way about my ASRock RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC.
still inferior than Taichi tho lol
@@naegleriafowleri2230 I’ll keep my x670e Taichi.
Maybe this veneration but their previous were trash
the phantom gaming only has 1x pcie 5.0 m2 slot though, and one of the gen4 is x2, not x4
@@naegleriafowleri2230 Only for sopmeone who needs the features of the Taichi and those people are few and far between. For 90+% of gamers, the Phantom Gaming would be more than enough.
I am very grateful there are people like you that have the interest and time do do this. I simply do not have the time to go this deep, so thanks! Subed and liked.
I'm so glad I went with the Asrock X870e NOVA Wifi, I feel like it's the best bang for the buck and Asrock has always had good customer service and quality parts
Never found it available since released.
It’s crazy that on social media PC groups are saying that the B650 is as good if not better then all these MOBO for gaming.
I was already planning on getting the Nova, thanks for making my choice even more confident!
Thank you for the list. I'm planning a build for the end of next year and I'm digging the value for performance of the Nova.
Would you buy MSI X670E GAMING PLUS WIFI or ASRock X870E Nova WiFi when the price difference between them is ~110 dollars?
ASUS options are mostly garbage at $700 and only 2 PCIe slots and NO 10G NIC? Excellent reviews, thank you. And why so many M.2 slots?? I buy ONE 4TB M.2 and 10G to NAS, that's the majority of folks that will be paying $500 or more for a motherboard. I can't find the MSI X870E godlike anywhere, not even listed on MSI website (US)?
They provide you with garbage to prevent your motherboard from being used for too long, but because they provide garbage motherboard options, you will not choose the garbage motherboard they provide, well. . This is a dilemma
@@yuan.pingchen3056 Oddly, I’ve been having failures with ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte boards within past 2 years … prior to that decades without any Motherboard failures. It’s like post COVID quality control at these companies had taken a dive bomb … no wonder ASUS are trying to skip out of RMA with such high failure rates.
i have 2 gen 4 4tb nvme's in my strix e-e x670, one 8tb is 600 on sale, 2 4tb is 250 normal. plus i can use up to 3 x gen 5 m.2's if i want on a 3 year old mobo, with no gpu sharing
Thank you for this list. Subscribed for the Z890 tier list 😂
Well, I agreed with your conclusions re the X670 crop of mobo's - The Aorus Master - with it's two M.2 [CPU]'s with no GPU lane sharing, was the clear choice!
And again, this time around, I can only agree that this entire, hugely disappointing crop of Gigabyte X870 offerings has well and truly lost the lane sharing plot!
So no Gigabyte mobo for me this time around then, sadly. You learn a BIOS, eh, and...
Which mobo I do go with is yet to be decided. But I absolutely must have at least two M.2 [CPU]'s with no GPU lane sharing.
To this end, your X*70E Tier Lists are once again proving to be a valuable piece of research.
Very many thanks.
Phil.
The Nova has basically no premium audio, though. You would have to spend for a sound card which would wipe out a good chunk of its value.
@@yuan.pingchen3056 You’re confusing producers with listeners. It doesn’t have the nicer DAC or AMP the Taichi boards have, so sound quality through high-impedance headphones will be thinner and less clean. I have an old Z390 Taichi board with premium audio and it sounds way better than my old mini PC with basic audio.
the soundcard same with taichi isn't it?
@@RiantoEffendi The Taichi has more premium components and named parts like the DAC and amplifier. The Nova is just default.
@@Aurummorituri HMM,
no heat pipe?
no bclk?
what else difference vs taichi?
@@RiantoEffendi Taichi has more/better phases, the premium audio, and of course better RGB for 100% more performance. 🫡
For Aorus Master you can use Gen5 M2 drive on M2A_CPU slot and Gen5 GPU and they will both work at full speed. Only M2B and M2C M2 slots are sharing lanes with the GPU
Is the ASRock X870E Nova Wifi the GOAT?
I'm debating on that or the Taichi board
both are now out of stock, so you have time to mull it over
Yeah, I waiting for it too! Asrock rulez AM5!
@@thunderhead1969I just got both Nova and Taichi from Newegg RN, if you’re interested I’m only keeping one. Should be here before thanksgiving hopefully. Lmk
Just bought the Asrock Nova with 9950x for mainly productivity. Its great... coming from ROG Maximus Hero X and 8700K
From where?
where did you buy it? because it sold out in less than 30 minutes on newegg yesterday.
In the end I’ve purchased Carbon. I’ve spent so many hours learning and comparing boards. But in the end ASrock boards in Ukraine are not cheaper at all… taichi have the same price tag as carbon.
I dislike in taichi placement of the GPU pci slot…
Good choice, what made me go the same route is the ASrock boards have usb 2.0 ports which I feel like at this point is disrespectful for an s tier board
Are 96GB RAM dual channel modules coming out with 8400MHz or even more in 2025?
@@matthewcarvajal6152 I'd bet on it, but it won't come cheap.
The only thing that annoys me is the comparison to Asus x870e Motherboards.
I can't really see x870e-e and the Pro Art together in the same tier because Pro Art has more Problems than as seen.
First: Pro Art suffers heavly to using never the middle PCIe slot because of big two dual slots graphics cards sufficating each other by not able to breath enough AIR and you aren't able to install a dual chasis Aio PUMP for the dual graphics cards, except you run CPU Air cooling (stupid choise if somone wants more cooling).
Second: Pro Art suffers of not having a Asynchronous E-Clock like the x870e-e and the x870e Hero.
Third: Charching with any USB device it runs more porly than the other two.
Fourth: Lacks postcode severe as the only x870e .
Fith: It has the minimum Powerstages design like the Gigabyte 6 layer PCB of x870e (If a CPU from AMD wants more wattage or most likely performence in the next generations, it can make issues in the future, espacially very high overclocking.
Sixth: To expensive for being a $450-$520 motherboard in this competiton.
The only Advantage that the Pro Art has is Dual Ehernet and one 10G Ethernet
PCIe sharing and fan hubs almost the same with the x870e-e.
I'm yepping because Asus missed the point of a Pro Art again or otherwise said you failed because you don't wanna improve consumer lives in this leading segments and name shemes.
Yeah, and as stated in the video I kind of want the ProArt in B tier because of no post code. But I think the motherboard is supposed to use blower style GPUs based on the PCIE slot spacing. Being $479 with no post code is kind of a fail in my mind but it's the only motherboard with DP In and does provide 10g for far less money compared to the Godlike.
I view this MB differently. Overclocking is going against the productivity focus of this MB, which is my primary desire. Stability and 10GB ethernet. win me over. I have the x670e version of this MB.
I agree that its nice the Nova doesn't have any lane sharing, but its not like most people will need more than one Gen 5 NVME drive. Just pop a 4TB drive in there, and if you need more, use a Gen 4 slot without losing any lanes. Right?
Hello, I enjoyed the video. I have a question. In my country, Nova costs 442 dollars, carbon costs 499 dollars, taichi costs 557 dollars. Is it right to buy carbon in this case?
Thanks mate, this was really insightful and helping my choice towards my future build. Nova Inc :)
LMAO I'll never buy another Asus board.
I saw the same thing you did with the A to B switching.
Right I just got rid of the ASUS board and switched to the new Asrock X870e Nova Wifi it's a steal for the price
Same😂
I got my X870E strix with free 32gb ddr5 ram and two years of coverage for 560. Should I return it and get the nova instead?
@@ouraskc6137 I have a b650e-e and I'm having microcode issues with my mobo. Bios resets whenever I unplug the psu from the wall. No it's not bios battery issue as well since I changed it three times with new batteries(also checked the voltages of the batteries with a DMM and all are fine). Also time and date doesn't reset or change, only the bios settings. CMOS reset didn't fix it as well. It's not a cpu and ram issue as well since I torture tested it for HOURS and all are stable. Haven't had any blue screen or crashes either. Just that single annoying issue. Honestly I'm tempted to get the nova too or probably the msi tomahawk but that board design is not that good for me.
Thanks, thanks to this video, I cleared my doubts about purchasing the motherboard.
❤
Is there any tier list that isn't comparing prices, but rather the quality and the features?
The slimsas port is not just or adding an SSD you can also add an PCIE Gen 4 X4 slot to the X870E Hero
I love the Steel Legend X670E motherboard; but, that Nova board has me reconsidering my motherboard choice for my next AM5 build.
Hi, I’m sorry to bother you but you seem extremely knowledgeable. I’m trying to figure out which mobo to get for my white build. I have a 7800x3d and am stuck between Asus x870a Rog strix or the x870 aorus elite… haven’t found any other options that are all white. I’m wanting to use two gen 4 m.2 ssds while not having the pcie lanes to the gpu used at all. I want to be future proofed for 50 series. Any help is very appreciated. Have a blessed day.
Sadly no white options for those boards yet. You can use the gen 4 ssds in the 2 gen 5 slots without effecting the lane for the gpu but if you use any of the other 3 i believe your gpu will go from 16x to 8x . You can look up the online manual or ask Asus directly. If you’re buying this board and spending that much cash why not buy a Gen 5 to get those Gen 5 speeds ? Save extra money and get the full potential of your set up
Wow I appreciate the time and knowledge you put into this!
I am undecided. Price is not important The best features and performance I want. ASROCK X870E Taichi and ASUS ROG STRIX X870E-E Gaming WiFi? Which one do you think your comment is valuable to me.
Multiple GPUs and nvme ssds the asrock , but better overclocking with its AI go the Asus it’s what I have
Looks like I’m swapping to Asrock. Great review and detailed information!
Hey man love your knowledge and videos! What kind of ram can i use that i can max out for the rog 870e hero?
Like ddr5 6400 4×48 gb? Or is that even usable? Any recommendations?
192gb of DDR5 is possible but not at high speeds. 4800 will work. 5200 and 5600 also might work. I'm currently testing 192gb at 5600 on the X870E Taichi but will be testing possibly 6000 in the future. In general aim for a Hynix M-die based kit that has either 5600 or 6000 as the EXPO profile.
@@GameTechReviews the corsair dominator titanium 2x48 6600 so that won't work right or it's overkill?
Just curious about the ranking website you are using. Do you have a link to share?
Nice Video, was very helpful! It was the first Video i saw from you and i like it 😊
I appreciate your Style of presentation, good explained, not overcomplicated but still detailed enough, really enjoy your way of talking that's especially why i often avoid Gamers Nexus because he sounds so extremely monoton, fantastic highlighting of the most important features of every entry, nice video layout and in all good Quality.
Thank you very much 💝
I have watched several different videos and still can't decide what board is best for me
75% Gaming / 25% 3D Modeling
9950x3D
128gb ddr5 6000mt
RTX4090 & RTX5090 (dual cards)
3x 4k60 (Sim rig - 5090)
3x 4k60 (Desktop - 4090)
4tb Gen 5 M.2
This is a great video. most others just babble while they unbox and setup the motherboard.
Thanks for the info, I enjoyed the video 👍
Besides price between the asus hero and asrock taichi, which one would you recommend?
If you are going to do some moderate to hardcore overclocking, the hero. If not, the TaiChi, but I would recommend the Carbon over the TaiChi even.
@@RKBenchmarker why the carbon?
@@XX-ku7dn Actually, coming back to this, I see you specified that price is not a consideration. With that in mind, the Hero offers many more features. The thing that keeps me from considering the Tiachi is no dedicated x4 pcie, which would not take lanes from the GPU. That is why I would get the Carbon over the Taichi for $50 more. But, that is my use case. You may have no need for an x4 or may not even use the second PCIE slot; in that case I'd save the $50 and go with the Taichi. It's great that most of these boards are so good this gen that it comes down to (in many cases) use case and price.
@@RKBenchmarker I'd like the MPG Carbon if it were not for the lack of ECC memory support. Also, limiting the second PCIe 5.0 slot to x4 regardless of how many Gen 5 M.2 drives you use feels like a cost saving measure. It certainly makes the lane switching topology simpler (and therefore cheaper) than boards that run the second slot at x8 or x4 depending on the number of M.2 drives and limits the uses for a second PCIe 5.0 slot. If you were planning on running two GPUs you'd ideally want the option to run them at x8/x8.
I would have preferred if the Taichi used a WiFi 7 module that supports 320MHz channel widths (e.g. the QCNCM865 or MT7927) instead of one limited to 160MHz (MT7925) but I don't personally care enough about WiFi on a desktop board for it to be a deal breaker. It can always be upgraded down the line anyway. Lack of a PCIe 4.0 x4 slot is a little frustrating but you could always use an M.2 to PCIe slot adapter to reclaim one of the M.2 slots as an x4 slot instead, especially if your case has an extra slot position below the motherboard.
@andr3w1985 it has a pcie2 x8, but also provides a dedicated pcie3 x4
Love the asrock nova too! It just disables the third pcie slot when using the fifth m.2 slot (not many people own ao many ssds) and have a MASSIVE 20 phases 110A VRM. You are 100% right saying it will go sold out, in my country (Italy) it's damn difficult to find tha board, even at inflated price (450€!!!)
Since the NOVA is sold out do you recommend Taichi, I don't want to share lanes with GPU
It's available to purchase again
Thank you for the video, very informative
Really hoping you do this when the new AMD B-series boards come out soon.
Nice video. Is there anywhere a definition of each tier? Who officially defines the specifications for each tier?
Asrock X870E Nova is such a great value.
Yep I was lucky and got my hands on one
I fell in love with the nova a few days back and missed the stock......
I think I'll stick with my asus rog crosshair hero x670 and upgrade to a 9800x3d in the future.
Excellent tier list. I would look forward to one on x870 non-E if you made one as well.
That video will be coming in the near future.
Aaaaaand, interestingly enough, the ASRock 870E Nova is NOT listed for $350 on Amazon. They have it listed there for almost $500. Newegg still shows $350 though. lol
I don’t like the fact that Gigabyte has cheapened out and downgraded every single PCB from 8-layers to 6-layers with the only exception being the crazy expensive Master meanwhile the dirt cheap B650 Aorus Elite AX ( not the V2 refresh) is 8 layer
Nice informations in this video ! Thank you, Subscribed accordingly.
Interesting. Another aspect of the Asus ProArt X870-E has 2 x USB-4 ; 7 type A USB 3 3.2 x 2 ports - 1 USB 3 3.2 X2 C Port that's in addition to every-thig else you said about it. Thank's for the very detailed and in depth review.
All of them have 2x USB4 as that's standard on all X870E boards.
great video for the difference between every board. but for performance the rank isnt base exacly on that factor. paying a 650$ cad board but having a cpu 450$ cad (ryzen 7 7700x) isnt logic in my opinion.
Definitely would’ve put the TAICHI lite at S tier.
Perfect on time!
Noob here.. explain the lane sharing please.. is it good? Is bad?
If lanes are shared the steal speed from each other . So if you chuck 4090 and m2 nvme in lane shared they will work at half speed
Hi there, yes unfortunately if you populate the second slot with most of the MB's except the Nova then you reduce the (slot) 1 x16 (lanes) Bandwidth at 32 GB/s transfer rate to 1 x8 (lanes) Bandwidth at 16GB/s (PCIe 4.0 = 4090) thus halving the data transfer rate from/to your 4090 - check some research on lane sharing between CPU / Chipset as all motherboards have different configurations when it comes to lane sharing - hope that helps 👍
The Nova went sold out already 😅
I sure wish the Taichi could run the lower slot without lane sharing. I don't even need it right now, but I would want the flexibility to plug something in down the road. Meanwhile, I know I can get by with 3 m.2 slots and 4 is easily all I need. I'd take the Taichi for look and feel alone, if it offered that flexibility. But I suppose if Arrow Lake doesn't beat out 9800X3D, I'll be looking for a Nova, like everyone else watching this channel.
The Taichi's bottom slot is an x8 that pulls 8 lanes from the top slot in order to run so it does share the GPU lanes. However, none of the M.2. slots share lanes with the GPU.
@@GameTechReviews Yes, that's what I'm saying. I edited to say "wish" because autocorrect chose a different word for me and confused my meaning. I like the flexibility that the lower slot could run any device that I might want in the future, but I don't like that it would require sharing the GPU's lanes.
Considering that the Nova could run an x1 sound card and a new network card without any sacrifices is realistically all I would ever want. But who knows? Then again, most things could be made to run on USB, too.
You have to move up to a Threadripper to get pcie x16 slots that don't share with each other
Just get the Asrock Nova, I'm going to be using it for my new gaming rig that I'm building, Just waiting for the 9800x3d processor and RTX 5090 to release
@@TroyRossberg Unless the 5090 is over $2k, I think we're going to wind up with matching specs..
2 DIMM board & non mATX please. Probably have to wait until B850 comes out.
*Anyone know the highest tier white mobo varient off the top of their head for this generation?*
My question is this. Is having the dual architecture of the 870 E going to make any difference to the casual user. Can I get just as much performance out of the 870? What does the dual chipset DO for me. And perhaps this is a stupid question. But, neverless...I am ignorant of the answer. Thanks in advance
For most everyday scenarios, X870 and X870E won't show much of a difference. X870E has more connectivity. The other thing it has are the flagship motherboards, which feature a less known feature called Asynchronous BCLK. This is another overclocking tool that can be used to improve single thread performance.
@GameTechReviews thank you so much! I did not actually expect an answer, lol. Appreciate it very much. I am fairly quick at picking stuff up, but, I attempting my first build and the motherboard stuff can be overwhelming. It seems awful easy to buy more than you need, while also suffering from FOMO, and thinking "i better get this because I may need it down the line, even tho I have no idea what for". Like..usb c 4.0 plugs. Anyway...I digress and am getting super wordy. Point was...thank you! Lmao.
SUBSCRIBED! for the Taichi or Taichi Lite.. if i use the bottom pcie slot.. does that bump down my GPU to x8?
yes
@@Jin-Li is tghere any way i can make use of second pcie slot without loosing x16 on GPU?
@@misael4096 not that i know just use a different Motherboard or maybe in the bios but i dont think so i will the taichi in the next month or so just ask in some months than i know for certain
Hi, if the ASRock X870E Nova Wifi cost $500 instead of $350, would you still consider it an S+ tier? Or would that price knock it down to an S?
Where I am, the MPG carbon wifi is 130 cheaper than Taichi... so it'd be the better buy?
Yes
In my country Asrock Nova and MSI Carbon is only $30 difference, which one would be better if there is no value difference here?
Carbon
Personally, I'm waiting for the NZXT N9 board to release. I know it won't be the best and the BIOS will be lacking but I think it's by far the best looking.
Where would you rank the MSI x870 Tomahawk?
That video is upcoming
MSI MEG X870E Godlike is so expensive, but it's so attempting to buy one for my next PC build.
Im getting a be quiet 900FX and Im stuck between the Taichi and the Carbon. Which one would likely last longer and be better for 4K gaming? Any input?
I like the Nova but who needs 5 M.2s? I actually like the Taichi Lite for it's LACK of RGB (subjective) and you didn't mention the 5gig ethernet or the lack of a backplate. It really comes down to user needs and preferences when you compare a lot of these, like i just dont care about quick release because I don't change parts out enough.
Those of us who value game preservation.
What if ASRock X670E Taichi is the same price as ASRock X870E NOVA WIFI? Which one should I pick? I'm going for high-end PC, RTX 5090 + AMD 9800X3D.
I am going to build a 4k setup in January/ February when the 5090 comes out ,going amd instead of intel since the 9800x3d is a beast The phantom nova is intriguing. Going to be doing a lot of research on the new motherboards to see which one is the best for me gaming 100%
Crucial Pro RAM 96GB Kit (2x48GB) DDR5 5600MHz (or 5200MHz or 4800MHz) Desktop Memory CP2K48G56C46U5
What do you think of this one? But i will need to buy this twice so about $450
i found x870e nova no heat pipe, is it matter than the other?
On the Taichi you said "if it has the Asynch clock", did you ever confirm if this is a feature? because at its price point and with the VRM that would be huge compared to the competitors for overclocking.
See the latest video.
уже есть видео полного разбора всех режимов BIOS, там есть эта функция. И да, ASRock постарались очень хорошо над своими платами! Я сам заказал Nova, так как мне нужен слот для звуковой карты х1, который не забирал бы каналы у х16, как это происходит у других производителей!
For how much money people are spending nowadays for motherboards I think Lane sharing is a thing for me I wouldn't want to have in 16 Lanes for the GPU so I'm kind of looking at either ASRock but I was always into ASUS or even MSI.
You are only thinking about m.2 lane sharing. The Taichi and others share lanes with the second pcil. So, if you use it, it with cut the gpu to x8. The Carbon has a dedicated x4 pcie that does not affect the gpu. Something to think about if that is a use case for you.
Coming from an ASUS I have no regrets with the New X870e Nova wifi. I'm honestly glad I went with the Asrock choice
Thanks for the info
Unfortunately the NOVA is limited to 1 SATA RAID array 0/1 (2 Drives) the AsMedia on 3/4 do not support Raid per Asrock, they said The Taichi has an AMD controller for 6 ports and does support RAID 0/1/10 for SSD SATA III arrays. (up to 6 drives). not a big deal if you are getting the NOVA strictly for NVME and not care for much for SATA III performance or RAID capability (AsMedia is slower controller vs the AMD one)
I got so lucky today and found a Nova at a local store. This thing can't be found anywhere and they raised the price to 500 on Amazon which is insane.
First time hearing about the Nova and yes, sold out everywhere. GODLIKE the $1200 board (new one will probably cost more) a S 😅 they are wrong for that price, even the old one is still at $1200.
X870 mobo ranking? 🙏🙏
Does the Taichi have fan speed step up and down? I’m pretty sure it doesn’t where the ASUS does… I find this really annoying.
All of them have auto fan speed adjustment based on temperature.
@@GameTechReviews thanks. The issue I foresee is micro-spiking in temps (for just a few secs) causing fans to ramp up and down over the same interval. The step-up/down speed directly addresses this to stop the micro-ramping effect, but the ‘workaround’ is to only let CPU fans increase when the it gets pretty hot. I think, anyway!