Thanks for this chart. I was able to grab the 870E Nova WIFI for my upcoming 9800x3d build. I was waffling a bunch on all the options, and your enthusiasm on the value of this board helped drive my decision.
I bought a Gigabyte Aorus Elite but another RUclipsr identified an issue with their BIOS causing reduced performance compared to their own X670E. Even after an update the issue persists so I'm returning it to get the Nova. Now I just came across this video and it's nice to hear I made a good choice. Hopefully it will get back in stock by the time the 9800X3D gets back in stock which is also my plan.
I watched both of these x870 and x870e videos twice. Massively helpful, I decided on the mag x870 Tomahawk with no regrets. You have detailed every aspect of every board very clearly. Thanks!
I did the same, to me Tomahawk seemed to be the best choice from all x870/x870e boards. Especially that it does well in the benchmarks and has a very sensible line sharing setup.
Nice catch of the 6L PCB on the Aorus Pro. It was on my short list, but now it made my shortlist even shorter by being taken off of it. ASRock really seems to have checked as many boxes as they can with both the Taichi and Nova for the price. They are on my list as well. Great video! Thank you!
Based on your recommendation, I bought an AsRock Nova; the ethernet failed after one month, and the onboard WiFi throttles to about 20% after heating up for about 30 minutes, so streaming sucks. Plan to replace it with the Gigabyte Elite since I am not into overclocking (my main use is audio production); then send the Nova in for RMA and sell it when it gets back, which, according to AsRock, could take a few months or more.
Thats exactly my fear when i hear about Asrock... A friend of mine told me some years ago, ohh yeah AsRock now is sooo much better, yadayadayada...And i always had problems 😞 With Asus none...
@@Neomanu90every brand of motherboard, really all computer components, have DOA units, which is what OP got. I’ve been running Asrock boards for 13+ years, across 5 builds, from Ivy Bridge to Zen 3. Never a single failure. My one engagement with support was a year after my x570 Taichi was out of warranty, and then sent me a new chipset fan free of charge in 2 days. My previous x470 board from my old build runs 24/7 in a home server, almost 6 years of service now. It also supports ECC memory, which made it one of the only consumer boards that had realistic dual usage for things like TrueNas or home servers. Asrock has always been the best bang for the buck brand for years. Now they’ve been class leading with AMD with their Taichi line, for the past 4-5 generations of AMD motherboards.
Praise Jeebus! I was anxiously awaiting to see where you put the Nova as that is the one that has intrigued me most with features and looks. Thank you so much for this video! I was waiting for someone to do a full line review of the 870-E and you nailed it!
the main reason i choose rog x870e-e is because they have a super smooth software and bios system. i think software are also an important part for review.
Just purchased the MSI Carbon. Not too worried about the $50 price difference since I plan on using it for several years. The overall features and bios is worth the price in my book!
This is the board I'm sorta leaning toward now too. What's kinda strange is that the 2nd pcie slot operates only in x4 mode, which seems to also put the first slot in x8. I'm trying to find a board that has 3 total pcie slots and where PCIE #2 is a) wired to the CPU b) isn't blocked by a wide 4090 card plugged into PCIE #1. (PCIE #3 is just for an audio card, so I only need x1 lane for it and assume it'll be tied to the chipset)
Thank you for these videos, I think you are the best youtuber so far to explain the motherboards. Btw, omg I just saw you placed the NOVA S+! I wanted to buy that exact board! I didn't know it was that good and nobody has reviewed it so far.
If they made the NOVA in White (currently building a PC - searching for motherboards) then I would be 100% buying it! I would have absolutely ZEERO problems paying for the dreaded 'White Component Tariff" either. In today's age it's unheard of to find a board of these features to be sold at this price. Digital Post Code, thick azz back plate (having one at all, even!), the Audio, Power Delivery etc.
@@doorsbhbesides the Taichi Carrera there is no other top end board that is white. And even then it's a panda. For white boards there's nothing that touches Gigabyte which is sad considering features :(
Hey man love your knowledge and videos! What kind of ram can i use that i can max out for the rog 870e hero? Like ddr5 6400 4×48 gb? Or is that even usable? Any recommendations?
192gb of DDR5 is possible but not at high speeds. 4800 will work. 5200 and 5600 also might work. I'm currently testing 192gb at 5600 on the X870E Taichi but will be testing possibly 6000 in the future. In general aim for a Hynix M-die based kit that has either 5600 or 6000 as the EXPO profile.
@@ouraskc6137 I have a b650e-e and I'm having microcode issues with my mobo. Bios resets whenever I unplug the psu from the wall. No it's not bios battery issue as well since I changed it three times with new batteries(also checked the voltages of the batteries with a DMM and all are fine). Also time and date doesn't reset or change, only the bios settings. CMOS reset didn't fix it as well. It's not a cpu and ram issue as well since I torture tested it for HOURS and all are stable. Haven't had any blue screen or crashes either. Just that single annoying issue. Honestly I'm tempted to get the nova too or probably the msi tomahawk but that board design is not that good for me.
It's funny how subjective you let this be. The Taichi Lite being on a tier beneath the Taichi despite being functionally identical is...well...rather comical. "No RGB"...."No quick release" Good. I don't know who replaces their GPUs daily or weekly. The quick release actually becomes useful at that point, but the number of people reseating/replacing a GPU more than once every two years is very, very small. And no RGB is a feature for many people. Fun tier list, but people should know that it's incredibly subjective.
I will admit now that I just got the new Nova X870e the quick release is a really nice thing to have, I honestly don't regret going with the Nova over the Taichi boards
his argument for the quick release is a giant air cooler, which is true some builds to release the gpu you may have to take apart or take off the air cooler which sucks. That being said if you're buying a Taichi 9/10 air cooling was never even in the same room and it's an imaginative point reduction for no reason. That's like saying a race car is getting reduced points because it's rims are too wide to handle an all season street tire it's never going to use or was intended to use.
I'm so glad I went with the Asrock X870e NOVA Wifi, I feel like it's the best bang for the buck and Asrock has always had good customer service and quality parts
@@Elricky124 How can scaplers sell it for much more than MSRP when you can just by the Taichi Lite for $399? Who would pay more than that for the NOVA?
You say the Taichis and Nova Wifi don't share lanes, but that's because all the M.2 slots after the first are on the chipset instead of the CPU, so you can load up your m.2 slots but 4 of your drives are going to be sharing the single 4x link between the cpu and the chipset. If having that many m.2 drives is important you're probably not going to mind the 8x on the GPU which is of minimal impact anyway, to keep your second and third m.2 drives directly on the cpu with 4 dedicated lanes each.
I am very grateful there are people like you that have the interest and time do do this. I simply do not have the time to go this deep, so thanks! Subed and liked.
Just bought the Asrock Nova with 9950x for mainly productivity. Its great... coming from ROG Maximus Hero X and 8700K. The bad thing is software updates about AsRock and RGB software sucks. It's not that stable on higher overclocks as compared to ROG but the price is almost half.
Was going to go for: MSI MPG X870E Carbon Wifi but saw this video and realised i can get: "2 M.2 PCIe 5.0s" instead of 1, so ill get the Asus ROG STRIX X870E-E GAMING WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard instead! Awesome stuff! Thanks a bunch!
Thank you for your diligence in preparing the X870E motherboard comparison data, which is interesting and useful. I would like to give you some feedback on the Asrock X870E Nova WiFi that you placed in the 'S+' category. "AMD X870/X870E Roundup, 21 Boards Tested" by "Hardware Unboxed" in RUclips found this motherboard had the worst high speed memory stability of all 21 X870/X870E motherboards tested: Asrock had a rock bottom score (pun intentional) of only 7400 MT/sec maximum speed for DDR5 memory (manual timings; 1 hour Prime95) while just under half the boards were stable at 8000 or higher. The Nova also failed to boot with DDR5-8000 EXPO memory. 'Hardware Unboxed' is a very professional Australian channel, so it would be interesting if you could either verify his results or contest them. How much improvement can one expect from a BIOS update? I'm not advocating that these AMD motherboards must run with DDR5-8000 RAM, however it does give peace of mind when operating with DDR5-6000 (for example) that there's adequate room for stable performance. Keep in mind that memory failures don't suddenly cut in at a specific frequency - it is a gaussian distribution implying that the chances of failure are diminished the further away you are from a DDR5 frequency that definitely fails. In addition, I also found other data points he measured interesting, e.g. VRM temperature measured under controlled conditions. With thanks for your cooperation on this.
If you look at real world reviews from individuals who own the Nova it gets nothing but 5 star ratings. I watched the Hardware unboxed video too, and even with the inability to run 8000 ram (which other boards failed as well) it did run 6000 (and up to 7400) which is what my AMD Ryzen 9800X3D works best with. Additionally, he was very pleased with the massive amount of VRM and even he said the Nova was at the top for value. You don’t have to buy the “rock bottom” board if you don’t want to, there are a tone of other crappy lane sharing boards out there for you that will degrade your gpu frames per second. Feel free to get one of those, LOL
@@johnjoy6374of course they 5 stared it. The price to value is insane. It was rated S tier for that reason, but it still has its short comings. (Not pushing DDR-5-8000 is one of them for sure). Where can I verify that 7400 clock speeds are optimal for the 9800x3D?
@ Well, 7400 isn’t optimal according to several tests (all three that I have seen were done using Asus Crosshairs Hero x870e) I have seen and AMDs recommendations. AMD states that 6000 with a 28 latency, and 1 to 1 with clock speeds is the best. I have seen test scores that showed 6000, 6400, 7200, 7600, 8000. With the increase in latency the higher you go, the amazing thing was that you don’t get all that much better performance at all. The sweet spot in two of the three tests (the other one was 6000, just like AMD stated) was 6400 with a latency of 30, and running 1 to 1. Once you get to 7200, you are running a latency of 36, and running 1 to 2 and are out of sync for clock speed. 8000, gets you nominal performance gains, at a much higher latency, and a much bigger price tag. Oh, and stability is better on all motherboards at 7200 and below, the lower the better. I personally have 6000, 28 latency, 64gb on two dimms. I was going to do 4 16gb because it looks better, but testing showed the 2 dimms of 32 for a total of 64 was fast than 4 16gb dimms, and put less stress on the memory controller. I hope that answers your question. Bottom line, faster isn’t always better, slower is about the same preference, cheaper, and more stable. Also, the Asrocks are the best for this particular chip and socket set currently, because they don’t lane share with the GPU.
"Hardware Unboxed" is hardly a "professional channel". Tim knows a thing or two about monitors but otherwise these are amateurs with some experience but series knowledge gaps. I once offered them a correction on an incorrect claim they made and instead of thanking me for that, they doubled down on being wrong. Complete amateurs. Perhaps there was an issue with the Nova Wifi sample they had? Their findings are unreliable in general and they might have just stumbled across a bad copy of the board. Before this "finding" is corroborated by others, I'll ignore it 100%.
Personally, I'm waiting for the NZXT N9 board to release. I know it won't be the best and the BIOS will be lacking but I think it's by far the best looking.
one thing you didn't take into consideration with the gigabytw boards. If you want a white board there is absolutely ZERO competition the pro ice and the elite ice are in a league of their own with the white connectors . I'd have loved to go an s tier board but my pc is a white build. All the other boards are not even worth considering.
@@discardedmeat I agree as Gigabyte Used the cheaper Layer count, Audio is only ALC1220 whish has been out for years and should have used the latest ALB4080 audio and they lowered their power stages to 60A instead of their older boards with 80AMP power stages. They used to be my GO TO but ever since their B650 boards going down hill at a higher cost I am changing brands.
@@justatim8143 1) The gigabyte boards do use 80A mosfets not 60. Atleast for the x870e boards. 2) the ALC4080 is known to have issues because it runs on USB lanes and not direct trace to the chipset. ALC1220 is still more than capable and virtually identical on paper, research it yourself if you don't believe me. Also, lower layer counts are not inherently bad. In PCB design theory having as few layers as possible to achieve a result is often better design practice. People far too often see the bigger number and automatically assume it's better, it's not always the case.
@user-jq3jh7hp2w My previous builds have been black, this will be my first white build so the novelty is new to me. Also gigabyte don't add a white tax. The pro and pro ice are the same cost.
Nice Video, was very helpful! It was the first Video i saw from you and i like it 😊 I appreciate your Style of presentation, good explained, not overcomplicated but still detailed enough, really enjoy your way of talking that's especially why i often avoid Gamers Nexus because he sounds so extremely monoton, fantastic highlighting of the most important features of every entry, nice video layout and in all good Quality. Thank you very much 💝
exactly he goes on and on and on about how you should go buy "this" motherboard, WHAT mother board? gotta rewind. oh THAT one is good too what is it called go back to the one time he said the name. Just a bad video all around.
All I want is a Threadripper board. Although I still notice that each brand name tries too hard to be mid. I want: 10 GB Wifi; Room for 2 GPU’s; M.2/PCIE’s for: internal Hard Drives; etc…
I wish there were more all white options. I ended up going with the Gigabyte because it’s the only white option for x870e. Looks beautiful but lacks many features 😢
Thanks for highlighting the ASRock Nova. I had my eyes set on the Taichi light, but the Nova will be the better board for most. The Taichi's four extra VRM phases are not necessary for any regular user and most will not need more than the four SATA connectors that Nova offers. The Nova has better PCIe options, one more M.2 option, a metal backplate, and the easy GPU ejection mechanism. Best of all, it also has the three thermister connectors and cables of the Taichi (Lite). What a great board!
Crucial Pro RAM 96GB Kit (2x48GB) DDR5 5600MHz (or 5200MHz or 4800MHz) Desktop Memory CP2K48G56C46U5 What do you think of this one? But i will need to buy this twice so about $450
@@naegleriafowleri2230 Only for sopmeone who needs the features of the Taichi and those people are few and far between. For 90+% of gamers, the Phantom Gaming would be more than enough.
Is the MSI carbon a good buy for using a high end gpu while multiple m2 connected for video editing? If not which one would you guys reccomend? The Taichi is coming close to 100€ more expensive than the carbon in Spain.
What's your input on the MSI X870E Edge TI? Seems similar to the Carbon but with Godlike features having sharing the USB4 and M.2_2 slot while also being $10 less than the AsRock Nova.
It’s funny that right after I saw this comparsion, I looked on the biggest IT e-shop. Nova was out of stock. I checked all other e-shops and out of stock everywhere. This lasted for 3weeks. It was restocked 14 days ago and I just snag one. After 2 days out of stock everywhere again. It’s still out of stock till now… crazy steal deal this Nova motherboard.
In the end I’ve purchased Carbon. I’ve spent so many hours learning and comparing boards. But in the end ASrock boards in Ukraine are not cheaper at all… taichi have the same price tag as carbon. I dislike in taichi placement of the GPU pci slot…
Good choice, what made me go the same route is the ASrock boards have usb 2.0 ports which I feel like at this point is disrespectful for an s tier board
I got the x870E Hero as well because of the missing post code display and nitropath of the ProArt. 5 GbE will have to do. I also have the 9950X, so the same CPU and MB as you. I got 4x48gb Ram (G.Skill 6400) running at 5200 MT/s (VDDSOC 1.25 V, UCLK DIV1 MODE 1:1), but no luck going higher than that. I don't know enough about impedances and timing controls to get anywhere with those (Processor ODT etc). It would be great if you could do a guide on that (for 192gb RAM), not necessarily to reach the magic 6000, but just to get a little bit further, like 5400 or 5600. You mentioned that just copying your numbers doesn't necessarily work, so a guide on what one might try, how to approach it, would be great.
yeah, that memory speed compromise is holding me (so far) from upgrading, considering even to go with 96 because of that and probably upgrade again next gen, hopefully they will sort these things out
Why didn’t you get the X670E Hero then? I’m pretty sure it would have been cheaper and the only thing that’s lacking is Wifi7. The X870E chipset is copy-paste X670E with mandatory Wifi7 and USB4 (the latter which the older Hero already had)
@@kerotomas1 @kerotomas1 The X670E only has one 2.5 GbE port, so it was never a candidate for me. NitroPath was an argument for the X870E Hero over the ProArt. Plus the code display and possible improvements in memory traces.
ASUS options are mostly garbage at $700 and only 2 PCIe slots and NO 10G NIC? Excellent reviews, thank you. And why so many M.2 slots?? I buy ONE 4TB M.2 and 10G to NAS, that's the majority of folks that will be paying $500 or more for a motherboard. I can't find the MSI X870E godlike anywhere, not even listed on MSI website (US)?
They provide you with garbage to prevent your motherboard from being used for too long, but because they provide garbage motherboard options, you will not choose the garbage motherboard they provide, well. . This is a dilemma
@@yuan.pingchen3056 Oddly, I’ve been having failures with ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte boards within past 2 years … prior to that decades without any Motherboard failures. It’s like post COVID quality control at these companies had taken a dive bomb … no wonder ASUS are trying to skip out of RMA with such high failure rates.
i have 2 gen 4 4tb nvme's in my strix e-e x670, one 8tb is 600 on sale, 2 4tb is 250 normal. plus i can use up to 3 x gen 5 m.2's if i want on a 3 year old mobo, with no gpu sharing
I have to say I find this obsession motherboard manufacturers have with lots of M.2 slots yet very few usable PCIe slots/lanes and no 10G a little frustrating as well. I mean I understand they are targeting gamers so that makes sense but for the rest of us ftom what I can tell the only board with 10G and 3 genuinely usable slots is the ProArt and that doesn't even have a boot code display 😟
@ Makes no sense to me, even for “gamers” … a single M.2’s come in many capacities on up to 8TB … maybe gamers are so poor then can only afford to buy 1TB M.2 at a time? Not to mention PCIe Gen 5 M.2s are still problematic and frequently unstable and overheat … why waste PCIe Gen 5 on M.2? I doubt most of these Asian motherboard manufacturers have ever surveyed what customers actually want.
I just bought the Tomahawk. The Carbon is more aesthetically pleasing but its not $200 better. My rig will be primarily for gaming, I don't need all of the ports on the higher end boards.
I don’t like the fact that Gigabyte has cheapened out and downgraded every single PCB from 8-layers to 6-layers with the only exception being the crazy expensive Master meanwhile the dirt cheap B650 Aorus Elite AX ( not the V2 refresh) is 8 layer
Love the asrock nova too! It just disables the third pcie slot when using the fifth m.2 slot (not many people own ao many ssds) and have a MASSIVE 20 phases 110A VRM. You are 100% right saying it will go sold out, in my country (Italy) it's damn difficult to find tha board, even at inflated price (450€!!!)
@@yuan.pingchen3056 You’re confusing producers with listeners. It doesn’t have the nicer DAC or AMP the Taichi boards have, so sound quality through high-impedance headphones will be thinner and less clean. I have an old Z390 Taichi board with premium audio and it sounds way better than my old mini PC with basic audio.
MSI just got this new white mobo. MPG X870E EDGE TI. I just got that one. What do you think of it for now. I know it’s not out. But for $330 8 layer PCB and 5GB LAN WIFI 7 I think it’s a the best bang for buck.
The Nova Only supports 1 GEN 5 Nvme, so its not like it offers so much more than the others. I think there is even a X870 (without E) MB with 2 GEN 5 Nvmes without lowering the GOU pcie speed
Aaaaaand, interestingly enough, the ASRock 870E Nova is NOT listed for $350 on Amazon. They have it listed there for almost $500. Newegg still shows $350 though. lol
So true, MSI have done great stuff with their bios. I get that price had to factor in for stuff like this too, but forgetting money then that Godlike board is S++ by far. Top of the pack features, future proofed out the ass, looks the part and incredible bios.
@@thunderhead1969I just got both Nova and Taichi from Newegg RN, if you’re interested I’m only keeping one. Should be here before thanksgiving hopefully. Lmk
Well, I agreed with your conclusions re the X670 crop of mobo's - The Aorus Master - with it's two M.2 [CPU]'s with no GPU lane sharing, was the clear choice! And again, this time around, I can only agree that this entire, hugely disappointing crop of Gigabyte X870 offerings has well and truly lost the lane sharing plot! So no Gigabyte mobo for me this time around then, sadly. You learn a BIOS, eh, and... Which mobo I do go with is yet to be decided. But I absolutely must have at least two M.2 [CPU]'s with no GPU lane sharing. To this end, your X*70E Tier Lists are once again proving to be a valuable piece of research. Very many thanks. Phil.
Im thinking of buying asrock nova however, im not sure how reliable this brand is.. my experience is only with asus and gigabyte and both were solid.. no issues up to date since 2022..
Hello, I enjoyed the video. I have a question. In my country, Nova costs 442 dollars, carbon costs 499 dollars, taichi costs 557 dollars. Is it right to buy carbon in this case?
Would Aorus Master actually be OK if i just want to use a single Gen 4 M2 slot connected to chipset and then later add single gen 5 ssd to the highest M2 slot? If i understand correctly - in this case GPU will stay at full speed. I'd love to consider ASROCK, but availability is poor and there are many reports of failures with 9800x3d. ASUS apparently damages GPU with it's quick release device. And MSI just have some weird relationship with AMD. I wand a good board for 9800x3d that can later house the best end of life AM5 chip and have high chances of running memory at high speed, thank you. Dont care about audio (i have external DAC\AMP for headphones and soundbar for audio) and LAN speed (since i have 1 gigabit connection and will not go higher)
Hi, I’m sorry to bother you but you seem extremely knowledgeable. I’m trying to figure out which mobo to get for my white build. I have a 7800x3d and am stuck between Asus x870a Rog strix or the x870 aorus elite… haven’t found any other options that are all white. I’m wanting to use two gen 4 m.2 ssds while not having the pcie lanes to the gpu used at all. I want to be future proofed for 50 series. Any help is very appreciated. Have a blessed day.
Sadly no white options for those boards yet. You can use the gen 4 ssds in the 2 gen 5 slots without effecting the lane for the gpu but if you use any of the other 3 i believe your gpu will go from 16x to 8x . You can look up the online manual or ask Asus directly. If you’re buying this board and spending that much cash why not buy a Gen 5 to get those Gen 5 speeds ? Save extra money and get the full potential of your set up
the proart is s or s+ tier it has better connectivity options than the hero it has 3x 5.0 nvme (via adapter) 2x 4.0 nvme AND a 4x 4.0 pcie slot pcie slots are always preferable to m.2 slots because you can always use a cheap adapter to convert a pcie slot to an m.2 slot not to mention it has 10gb on board lan
Interesting. Another aspect of the Asus ProArt X870-E has 2 x USB-4 ; 7 type A USB 3 3.2 x 2 ports - 1 USB 3 3.2 X2 C Port that's in addition to every-thig else you said about it. Thank's for the very detailed and in depth review.
Just because the Nova is a great value, doesn't mean it's S+ tier. You should not take price into consideration. Tier list should be about performance.
Thanks for this chart. I was able to grab the 870E Nova WIFI for my upcoming 9800x3d build. I was waffling a bunch on all the options, and your enthusiasm on the value of this board helped drive my decision.
now only if there were some available to purchase
Impossible to find at Msrp :-(
I bought a Gigabyte Aorus Elite but another RUclipsr identified an issue with their BIOS causing reduced performance compared to their own X670E. Even after an update the issue persists so I'm returning it to get the Nova. Now I just came across this video and it's nice to hear I made a good choice. Hopefully it will get back in stock by the time the 9800X3D gets back in stock which is also my plan.
@@anthonymoskunas4310 impossible to find at all for me
Yea and now the novas are being unlisted
I watched both of these x870 and x870e videos twice. Massively helpful, I decided on the mag x870 Tomahawk with no regrets. You have detailed every aspect of every board very clearly. Thanks!
Care to share your experience with the board thus far?
I did the same, to me Tomahawk seemed to be the best choice from all x870/x870e boards. Especially that it does well in the benchmarks and has a very sensible line sharing setup.
isnt x870 tomahawk just B650 with pcie5 and wifi7?
@@RainOrbs B650 does not support CUDIMM, x870 Tomahawk does, just that is worth the upgrade imho
@@burnedeye i dont care for cudimm
Nice catch of the 6L PCB on the Aorus Pro. It was on my short list, but now it made my shortlist even shorter by being taken off of it. ASRock really seems to have checked as many boxes as they can with both the Taichi and Nova for the price. They are on my list as well. Great video! Thank you!
What's the difference between 6 and 8 in real terms though?
@@delofordgood question :)
So what did u get ?
Good eye AND it has incredible phase power section 24+2+1
Based on your recommendation, I bought an AsRock Nova; the ethernet failed after one month, and the onboard WiFi throttles to about 20% after heating up for about 30 minutes, so streaming sucks. Plan to replace it with the Gigabyte Elite since I am not into overclocking (my main use is audio production); then send the Nova in for RMA and sell it when it gets back, which, according to AsRock, could take a few months or more.
Thats exactly my fear when i hear about Asrock... A friend of mine told me some years ago, ohh yeah AsRock now is sooo much better, yadayadayada...And i always had problems 😞 With Asus none...
i’m about to get the x870e hero
There's a reason nova is cheaper than all others including the taichi..
Isn't it true for all manufacturers @@LibtardsTears
@@Neomanu90every brand of motherboard, really all computer components, have DOA units, which is what OP got. I’ve been running Asrock boards for 13+ years, across 5 builds, from Ivy Bridge to Zen 3. Never a single failure. My one engagement with support was a year after my x570 Taichi was out of warranty, and then sent me a new chipset fan free of charge in 2 days. My previous x470 board from my old build runs 24/7 in a home server, almost 6 years of service now. It also supports ECC memory, which made it one of the only consumer boards that had realistic dual usage for things like TrueNas or home servers.
Asrock has always been the best bang for the buck brand for years. Now they’ve been class leading with AMD with their Taichi line, for the past 4-5 generations of AMD motherboards.
Praise Jeebus! I was anxiously awaiting to see where you put the Nova as that is the one that has intrigued me most with features and looks. Thank you so much for this video! I was waiting for someone to do a full line review of the 870-E and you nailed it!
I am now paying attention to Nova, because of the two of you. Hoping to buy it.
@@FreelancerJessMC it just came back in stock in Newegg and I was able to snag it.
You are clever!
the main reason i choose rog x870e-e is because they have a super smooth software and bios system. i think software are also an important part for review.
Just purchased the MSI Carbon. Not too worried about the $50 price difference since I plan on using it for several years. The overall features and bios is worth the price in my book!
I also went with carbon.. gonna build with it soon
I'm debating between the carbon and the strix-e, but I'm leaning towards the carbon
This is the board I'm sorta leaning toward now too. What's kinda strange is that the 2nd pcie slot operates only in x4 mode, which seems to also put the first slot in x8.
I'm trying to find a board that has 3 total pcie slots and where PCIE #2 is a) wired to the CPU b) isn't blocked by a wide 4090 card plugged into PCIE #1.
(PCIE #3 is just for an audio card, so I only need x1 lane for it and assume it'll be tied to the chipset)
@xyvyx so i did a build with this board, used 3 nvme slots for 3x 2tb samsung 990 pro. 1st slot gives 7400 speed, second and third gives 6500
Who buys MSI?
Thank you for these videos, I think you are the best youtuber so far to explain the motherboards.
Btw, omg I just saw you placed the NOVA S+! I wanted to buy that exact board! I didn't know it was that good and nobody has reviewed it so far.
If they made the NOVA in White (currently building a PC - searching for motherboards) then I would be 100% buying it! I would have absolutely ZEERO problems paying for the dreaded 'White Component Tariff" either. In today's age it's unheard of to find a board of these features to be sold at this price. Digital Post Code, thick azz back plate (having one at all, even!), the Audio, Power Delivery etc.
This is one thing I don't like on all manufacturers, they don't have white full pcb options for most of their motherboards.
@@doorsbhbesides the Taichi Carrera there is no other top end board that is white. And even then it's a panda. For white boards there's nothing that touches Gigabyte which is sad considering features :(
You will never notice the difference with the Pro ICE or Elite ICE.
Hey man love your knowledge and videos! What kind of ram can i use that i can max out for the rog 870e hero?
Like ddr5 6400 4×48 gb? Or is that even usable? Any recommendations?
192gb of DDR5 is possible but not at high speeds. 4800 will work. 5200 and 5600 also might work. I'm currently testing 192gb at 5600 on the X870E Taichi but will be testing possibly 6000 in the future. In general aim for a Hynix M-die based kit that has either 5600 or 6000 as the EXPO profile.
@@GameTechReviews the corsair dominator titanium 2x48 6600 so that won't work right or it's overkill?
I've been dying to see this video. I watched the one from last year like a hundred times. You ROCK!
was thinking about doing this but u did all the hard work for me, you are the absolute greatest. thank you for ur convenience
LMAO I'll never buy another Asus board.
I saw the same thing you did with the A to B switching.
Right I just got rid of the ASUS board and switched to the new Asrock X870e Nova Wifi it's a steal for the price
Same😂
I got my X870E strix with free 32gb ddr5 ram and two years of coverage for 560. Should I return it and get the nova instead?
@@ouraskc6137 I have a b650e-e and I'm having microcode issues with my mobo. Bios resets whenever I unplug the psu from the wall. No it's not bios battery issue as well since I changed it three times with new batteries(also checked the voltages of the batteries with a DMM and all are fine). Also time and date doesn't reset or change, only the bios settings. CMOS reset didn't fix it as well. It's not a cpu and ram issue as well since I torture tested it for HOURS and all are stable. Haven't had any blue screen or crashes either. Just that single annoying issue. Honestly I'm tempted to get the nova too or probably the msi tomahawk but that board design is not that good for me.
I just bought a X870e Aorus Master for $361 Used! Worth it!
I was interested in the Nova Wifi, but I ended up ordering the Taichi Lite because I liked the fact that it didn't have rgb. Go Asrock!
Agreed, RGB is a plague, but I'm sure one can simply turn off the RGB on the Nova.
It's funny how subjective you let this be. The Taichi Lite being on a tier beneath the Taichi despite being functionally identical is...well...rather comical. "No RGB"...."No quick release"
Good. I don't know who replaces their GPUs daily or weekly. The quick release actually becomes useful at that point, but the number of people reseating/replacing a GPU more than once every two years is very, very small. And no RGB is a feature for many people.
Fun tier list, but people should know that it's incredibly subjective.
I will admit now that I just got the new Nova X870e the quick release is a really nice thing to have, I honestly don't regret going with the Nova over the Taichi boards
@@TroyRossberg Do you change your GPU daily? Weekly? Monthly?
his argument for the quick release is a giant air cooler, which is true some builds to release the gpu you may have to take apart or take off the air cooler which sucks. That being said if you're buying a Taichi 9/10 air cooling was never even in the same room and it's an imaginative point reduction for no reason. That's like saying a race car is getting reduced points because it's rims are too wide to handle an all season street tire it's never going to use or was intended to use.
@Dante_S550_Turbo lol that's a good point actually
Yep. I hate RGB lighting. I always go for the parts that don't have it if possible.
I'm so glad I went with the Asrock X870e NOVA Wifi, I feel like it's the best bang for the buck and Asrock has always had good customer service and quality parts
Never found it available since released.
Godlike preordered in the UK, by far the best board here and it’s not close
Damn the Asrock X870E Nova is a steal!
And it is sold out! The scalpers are already selling it for more on EBay.
OP board.
I was lucky and got one, Awesome motherboard I love all the SSD slots it has and the quick release is so nice to have
@@Elricky124 How can scaplers sell it for much more than MSRP when you can just by the Taichi Lite for $399? Who would pay more than that for the NOVA?
Scalpers gonna do what they do. Very little brain usage
The Strix X870E-E also has a clock generator which should bump it up a level IMO.
Thank you for the list. I'm planning a build for the end of next year and I'm digging the value for performance of the Nova.
Keeping going. You're doing very good work. The follows and reactions will come with iterations of the process.
You say the Taichis and Nova Wifi don't share lanes, but that's because all the M.2 slots after the first are on the chipset instead of the CPU, so you can load up your m.2 slots but 4 of your drives are going to be sharing the single 4x link between the cpu and the chipset. If having that many m.2 drives is important you're probably not going to mind the 8x on the GPU which is of minimal impact anyway, to keep your second and third m.2 drives directly on the cpu with 4 dedicated lanes each.
Thank you for this list. Subscribed for the Z890 tier list 😂
I am very grateful there are people like you that have the interest and time do do this. I simply do not have the time to go this deep, so thanks! Subed and liked.
Just bought the Asrock Nova with 9950x for mainly productivity. Its great... coming from ROG Maximus Hero X and 8700K. The bad thing is software updates about AsRock and RGB software sucks. It's not that stable on higher overclocks as compared to ROG but the price is almost half.
From where?
where did you buy it? because it sold out in less than 30 minutes on newegg yesterday.
@Outtput I am in India, bought it from Nehru Place, shop named computer and servers solutions.
I was already planning on getting the Nova, thanks for making my choice even more confident!
bought one of these on your recommendation and i am not disappointed . outstanding build quality .thanks
wow great information, great research.. amazing video dude! Grats
Was going to go for: MSI MPG X870E Carbon Wifi but saw this video and realised i can get: "2 M.2 PCIe 5.0s" instead of 1, so ill get the Asus ROG STRIX X870E-E GAMING WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard instead! Awesome stuff! Thanks a bunch!
Thank you for your diligence in preparing the X870E motherboard comparison data, which is interesting and useful. I would like to give you some feedback on the Asrock X870E Nova WiFi that you placed in the 'S+' category. "AMD X870/X870E Roundup, 21 Boards Tested" by "Hardware Unboxed" in RUclips found this motherboard had the worst high speed memory stability of all 21 X870/X870E motherboards tested: Asrock had a rock bottom score (pun intentional) of only 7400 MT/sec maximum speed for DDR5 memory (manual timings; 1 hour Prime95) while just under half the boards were stable at 8000 or higher. The Nova also failed to boot with DDR5-8000 EXPO memory. 'Hardware Unboxed' is a very professional Australian channel, so it would be interesting if you could either verify his results or contest them. How much improvement can one expect from a BIOS update? I'm not advocating that these AMD motherboards must run with DDR5-8000 RAM, however it does give peace of mind when operating with DDR5-6000 (for example) that there's adequate room for stable performance. Keep in mind that memory failures don't suddenly cut in at a specific frequency - it is a gaussian distribution implying that the chances of failure are diminished the further away you are from a DDR5 frequency that definitely fails. In addition, I also found other data points he measured interesting, e.g. VRM temperature measured under controlled conditions. With thanks for your cooperation on this.
If you look at real world reviews from individuals who own the Nova it gets nothing but 5 star ratings. I watched the Hardware unboxed video too, and even with the inability to run 8000 ram (which other boards failed as well) it did run 6000 (and up to 7400) which is what my AMD Ryzen 9800X3D works best with. Additionally, he was very pleased with the massive amount of VRM and even he said the Nova was at the top for value. You don’t have to buy the “rock bottom” board if you don’t want to, there are a tone of other crappy lane sharing boards out there for you that will degrade your gpu frames per second. Feel free to get one of those, LOL
@@johnjoy6374of course they 5 stared it. The price to value is insane. It was rated S tier for that reason, but it still has its short comings. (Not pushing DDR-5-8000 is one of them for sure). Where can I verify that 7400 clock speeds are optimal for the 9800x3D?
@ Well, 7400 isn’t optimal according to several tests (all three that I have seen were done using Asus Crosshairs Hero x870e) I have seen and AMDs recommendations. AMD states that 6000 with a 28 latency, and 1 to 1 with clock speeds is the best. I have seen test scores that showed 6000, 6400, 7200, 7600, 8000. With the increase in latency the higher you go, the amazing thing was that you don’t get all that much better performance at all. The sweet spot in two of the three tests (the other one was 6000, just like AMD stated) was 6400 with a latency of 30, and running 1 to 1. Once you get to 7200, you are running a latency of 36, and running 1 to 2 and are out of sync for clock speed. 8000, gets you nominal performance gains, at a much higher latency, and a much bigger price tag. Oh, and stability is better on all motherboards at 7200 and below, the lower the better. I personally have 6000, 28 latency, 64gb on two dimms. I was going to do 4 16gb because it looks better, but testing showed the 2 dimms of 32 for a total of 64 was fast than 4 16gb dimms, and put less stress on the memory controller. I hope that answers your question. Bottom line, faster isn’t always better, slower is about the same preference, cheaper, and more stable. Also, the Asrocks are the best for this particular chip and socket set currently, because they don’t lane share with the GPU.
"Hardware Unboxed" is hardly a "professional channel". Tim knows a thing or two about monitors but otherwise these are amateurs with some experience but series knowledge gaps. I once offered them a correction on an incorrect claim they made and instead of thanking me for that, they doubled down on being wrong. Complete amateurs. Perhaps there was an issue with the Nova Wifi sample they had? Their findings are unreliable in general and they might have just stumbled across a bad copy of the board. Before this "finding" is corroborated by others, I'll ignore it 100%.
Super informative vid. I get knocking the Godlike down over $1100 but the Carbon being knocked down because of $50 seems unfair
Personally, I'm waiting for the NZXT N9 board to release. I know it won't be the best and the BIOS will be lacking but I think it's by far the best looking.
YES!!! my Nova is arriving soon. Cant wait for my new build.
one thing you didn't take into consideration with the gigabytw boards. If you want a white board there is absolutely ZERO competition the pro ice and the elite ice are in a league of their own with the white connectors . I'd have loved to go an s tier board but my pc is a white build. All the other boards are not even worth considering.
I've been excessively googling PC parts for a white build all week and damn, this board really is about as good as it gets, and not in a good way.
@@discardedmeat I agree as Gigabyte Used the cheaper Layer count, Audio is only ALC1220 whish has been out for years and should have used the latest ALB4080 audio and they lowered their power stages to 60A instead of their older boards with 80AMP power stages. They used to be my GO TO but ever since their B650 boards going down hill at a higher cost I am changing brands.
@@justatim8143 which white board should we consider for white set ups ?
@@justatim8143 1) The gigabyte boards do use 80A mosfets not 60. Atleast for the x870e boards. 2) the ALC4080 is known to have issues because it runs on USB lanes and not direct trace to the chipset. ALC1220 is still more than capable and virtually identical on paper, research it yourself if you don't believe me. Also, lower layer counts are not inherently bad. In PCB design theory having as few layers as possible to achieve a result is often better design practice. People far too often see the bigger number and automatically assume it's better, it's not always the case.
@user-jq3jh7hp2w My previous builds have been black, this will be my first white build so the novelty is new to me. Also gigabyte don't add a white tax. The pro and pro ice are the same cost.
Wow I appreciate the time and knowledge you put into this!
Nice Video, was very helpful! It was the first Video i saw from you and i like it 😊
I appreciate your Style of presentation, good explained, not overcomplicated but still detailed enough, really enjoy your way of talking that's especially why i often avoid Gamers Nexus because he sounds so extremely monoton, fantastic highlighting of the most important features of every entry, nice video layout and in all good Quality.
Thank you very much 💝
Is it so hard to show some names sometimes? I have to go through the video and search for the beginning of each board, to know what I am looking at...
exactly he goes on and on and on about how you should go buy "this" motherboard, WHAT mother board? gotta rewind. oh THAT one is good too what is it called go back to the one time he said the name. Just a bad video all around.
Would definitely make for a better video if he had the name of each under/over the pic of the mobo
All I want is a Threadripper board.
Although I still notice that each brand name tries too hard to be mid.
I want:
10 GB Wifi;
Room for 2 GPU’s;
M.2/PCIE’s for: internal Hard Drives; etc…
@@johnrichardson3297 "room for 2 gpu's" lol so many people like goofy HUGE pc cases with enormous wasted space and 9 fans.
Thanks for the info, I enjoyed the video 👍
I love the Steel Legend X670E motherboard; but, that Nova board has me reconsidering my motherboard choice for my next AM5 build.
I have a taichi lite. We do have eclk, or asynchronous voltage control, or etc etc. Wish all of these mb manufacturers would use the same term for it.
I wish there were more all white options. I ended up going with the Gigabyte because it’s the only white option for x870e. Looks beautiful but lacks many features 😢
Thanks for the list! nova looks nice
Thanks for highlighting the ASRock Nova. I had my eyes set on the Taichi light, but the Nova will be the better board for most. The Taichi's four extra VRM phases are not necessary for any regular user and most will not need more than the four SATA connectors that Nova offers. The Nova has better PCIe options, one more M.2 option, a metal backplate, and the easy GPU ejection mechanism. Best of all, it also has the three thermister connectors and cables of the Taichi (Lite). What a great board!
Thoughts on the new MSI MPG X870E Edge TI WiFi Motherboard?
Crucial Pro RAM 96GB Kit (2x48GB) DDR5 5600MHz (or 5200MHz or 4800MHz) Desktop Memory CP2K48G56C46U5
What do you think of this one? But i will need to buy this twice so about $450
Thanks, thanks to this video, I cleared my doubts about purchasing the motherboard.
❤
Sucks that there is really only 1 option for an all white build lol will there be a similar video for just X870?
Anything from ASRock that has "Phantom Gaming" on it is going to be incredible. I feel the same way about my ASRock RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC.
still inferior than Taichi tho lol
@@naegleriafowleri2230 I’ll keep my x670e Taichi.
Maybe this veneration but their previous were trash
the phantom gaming only has 1x pcie 5.0 m2 slot though, and one of the gen4 is x2, not x4
@@naegleriafowleri2230 Only for sopmeone who needs the features of the Taichi and those people are few and far between. For 90+% of gamers, the Phantom Gaming would be more than enough.
should do a tier list with all the Good Chipsets combined you have done vidoes previously.
Thank you for the video, very informative
Is the MSI carbon a good buy for using a high end gpu while multiple m2 connected for video editing? If not which one would you guys reccomend? The Taichi is coming close to 100€ more expensive than the carbon in Spain.
The slimsas port is not just or adding an SSD you can also add an PCIE Gen 4 X4 slot to the X870E Hero
Really hoping you do this when the new AMD B-series boards come out soon.
What's your input on the MSI X870E Edge TI? Seems similar to the Carbon but with Godlike features having sharing the USB4 and M.2_2 slot while also being $10 less than the AsRock Nova.
Godlike also has those nice hidden connectors :D and the expansion for older m.2's
Excellent tier list. I would look forward to one on x870 non-E if you made one as well.
That video will be coming in the near future.
It’s funny that right after I saw this comparsion, I looked on the biggest IT e-shop. Nova was out of stock. I checked all other e-shops and out of stock everywhere. This lasted for 3weeks. It was restocked 14 days ago and I just snag one. After 2 days out of stock everywhere again. It’s still out of stock till now… crazy steal deal this Nova motherboard.
Thanks mate, this was really insightful and helping my choice towards my future build. Nova Inc :)
i almost got hard with how much you were bigging up my motherboard lol spend so much time deciding how i want it. 9800x3d ready to go in it!
Asrock X870E Nova is such a great value.
Yep I was lucky and got my hands on one
Nice informations in this video ! Thank you, Subscribed accordingly.
Can you do a video for more inexpensive boards? or maybe recommend something under $200?
Perfect on time!
❤ Super, super helpful!
In the end I’ve purchased Carbon. I’ve spent so many hours learning and comparing boards. But in the end ASrock boards in Ukraine are not cheaper at all… taichi have the same price tag as carbon.
I dislike in taichi placement of the GPU pci slot…
Good choice, what made me go the same route is the ASrock boards have usb 2.0 ports which I feel like at this point is disrespectful for an s tier board
I got the x870E Hero as well because of the missing post code display and nitropath of the ProArt. 5 GbE will have to do. I also have the 9950X, so the same CPU and MB as you.
I got 4x48gb Ram (G.Skill 6400) running at 5200 MT/s (VDDSOC 1.25 V, UCLK DIV1 MODE 1:1), but no luck going higher than that. I don't know enough about impedances and timing controls to get anywhere with those (Processor ODT etc). It would be great if you could do a guide on that (for 192gb RAM), not necessarily to reach the magic 6000, but just to get a little bit further, like 5400 or 5600.
You mentioned that just copying your numbers doesn't necessarily work, so a guide on what one might try, how to approach it, would be great.
yeah, that memory speed compromise is holding me (so far) from upgrading, considering even to go with 96 because of that and probably upgrade again next gen, hopefully they will sort these things out
Why didn’t you get the X670E Hero then? I’m pretty sure it would have been cheaper and the only thing that’s lacking is Wifi7. The X870E chipset is copy-paste X670E with mandatory Wifi7 and USB4 (the latter which the older Hero already had)
@@kerotomas1 @kerotomas1 The X670E only has one 2.5 GbE port, so it was never a candidate for me. NitroPath was an argument for the X870E Hero over the ProArt. Plus the code display and possible improvements in memory traces.
what is the other motherboard that equals the Nova you mentioned?
Looks like I’m swapping to Asrock. Great review and detailed information!
Get a ruler to slide btn the backplate and cooler.
you can activate the gpu release mechanism
there's your quick disconnect for $100 less.
ASUS options are mostly garbage at $700 and only 2 PCIe slots and NO 10G NIC? Excellent reviews, thank you. And why so many M.2 slots?? I buy ONE 4TB M.2 and 10G to NAS, that's the majority of folks that will be paying $500 or more for a motherboard. I can't find the MSI X870E godlike anywhere, not even listed on MSI website (US)?
They provide you with garbage to prevent your motherboard from being used for too long, but because they provide garbage motherboard options, you will not choose the garbage motherboard they provide, well. . This is a dilemma
@@yuan.pingchen3056 Oddly, I’ve been having failures with ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte boards within past 2 years … prior to that decades without any Motherboard failures. It’s like post COVID quality control at these companies had taken a dive bomb … no wonder ASUS are trying to skip out of RMA with such high failure rates.
i have 2 gen 4 4tb nvme's in my strix e-e x670, one 8tb is 600 on sale, 2 4tb is 250 normal. plus i can use up to 3 x gen 5 m.2's if i want on a 3 year old mobo, with no gpu sharing
I have to say I find this obsession motherboard manufacturers have with lots of M.2 slots yet very few usable PCIe slots/lanes and no 10G a little frustrating as well. I mean I understand they are targeting gamers so that makes sense but for the rest of us ftom what I can tell the only board with 10G and 3 genuinely usable slots is the ProArt and that doesn't even have a boot code display 😟
@ Makes no sense to me, even for “gamers” … a single M.2’s come in many capacities on up to 8TB … maybe gamers are so poor then can only afford to buy 1TB M.2 at a time? Not to mention PCIe Gen 5 M.2s are still problematic and frequently unstable and overheat … why waste PCIe Gen 5 on M.2? I doubt most of these Asian motherboard manufacturers have ever surveyed what customers actually want.
Are there any sound cards that will work on the Taichi? Or only for the Nova?
This is a great video. most others just babble while they unbox and setup the motherboard.
I just bought the Tomahawk. The Carbon is more aesthetically pleasing but its not $200 better. My rig will be primarily for gaming, I don't need all of the ports on the higher end boards.
I don’t like the fact that Gigabyte has cheapened out and downgraded every single PCB from 8-layers to 6-layers with the only exception being the crazy expensive Master meanwhile the dirt cheap B650 Aorus Elite AX ( not the V2 refresh) is 8 layer
You've earned a sub. Can you help me decide between Asrock x870e nova wifi or MSI x870 tomahawk wifi for ryzen 7 9800x3d?
Both are different classes of motherboard. You need to decide if you need the 2nd chipset.
Love the asrock nova too! It just disables the third pcie slot when using the fifth m.2 slot (not many people own ao many ssds) and have a MASSIVE 20 phases 110A VRM. You are 100% right saying it will go sold out, in my country (Italy) it's damn difficult to find tha board, even at inflated price (450€!!!)
The Nova has basically no premium audio, though. You would have to spend for a sound card which would wipe out a good chunk of its value.
@@yuan.pingchen3056 You’re confusing producers with listeners. It doesn’t have the nicer DAC or AMP the Taichi boards have, so sound quality through high-impedance headphones will be thinner and less clean. I have an old Z390 Taichi board with premium audio and it sounds way better than my old mini PC with basic audio.
the soundcard same with taichi isn't it?
@@RiantoEffendi The Taichi has more premium components and named parts like the DAC and amplifier. The Nova is just default.
@@Aurummorituri HMM,
no heat pipe?
no bclk?
what else difference vs taichi?
@@RiantoEffendi Taichi has more/better phases, the premium audio, and of course better RGB for 100% more performance. 🫡
MSI just got this new white mobo. MPG X870E EDGE TI. I just got that one. What do you think of it for now. I know it’s not out. But for $330 8 layer PCB and 5GB LAN WIFI 7 I think it’s a the best bang for buck.
Definitely would’ve put the TAICHI lite at S tier.
The Nova Only supports 1 GEN 5 Nvme, so its not like it offers so much more than the others.
I think there is even a X870 (without E) MB with 2 GEN 5 Nvmes without lowering the GOU pcie speed
Aaaaaand, interestingly enough, the ASRock 870E Nova is NOT listed for $350 on Amazon. They have it listed there for almost $500. Newegg still shows $350 though. lol
Hi, if the ASRock X870E Nova Wifi cost $500 instead of $350, would you still consider it an S+ tier? Or would that price knock it down to an S?
Nice video. Is there anywhere a definition of each tier? Who officially defines the specifications for each tier?
Thanks for the info
What I miss is a discussion about the bios. Some manufacturers use a terrible bios.
So true, MSI have done great stuff with their bios. I get that price had to factor in for stuff like this too, but forgetting money then that Godlike board is S++ by far. Top of the pack features, future proofed out the ass, looks the part and incredible bios.
Just curious about the ranking website you are using. Do you have a link to share?
Is the ASRock X870E Nova Wifi the GOAT?
I'm debating on that or the Taichi board
both are now out of stock, so you have time to mull it over
Yeah, I waiting for it too! Asrock rulez AM5!
@@thunderhead1969I just got both Nova and Taichi from Newegg RN, if you’re interested I’m only keeping one. Should be here before thanksgiving hopefully. Lmk
Well, I agreed with your conclusions re the X670 crop of mobo's - The Aorus Master - with it's two M.2 [CPU]'s with no GPU lane sharing, was the clear choice!
And again, this time around, I can only agree that this entire, hugely disappointing crop of Gigabyte X870 offerings has well and truly lost the lane sharing plot!
So no Gigabyte mobo for me this time around then, sadly. You learn a BIOS, eh, and...
Which mobo I do go with is yet to be decided. But I absolutely must have at least two M.2 [CPU]'s with no GPU lane sharing.
To this end, your X*70E Tier Lists are once again proving to be a valuable piece of research.
Very many thanks.
Phil.
Im thinking of buying asrock nova however, im not sure how reliable this brand is.. my experience is only with asus and gigabyte and both were solid.. no issues up to date since 2022..
MSI MEG X870E Godlike is so expensive, but it's so attempting to buy one for my next PC build.
Hello, I enjoyed the video. I have a question. In my country, Nova costs 442 dollars, carbon costs 499 dollars, taichi costs 557 dollars. Is it right to buy carbon in this case?
You told us there was another S+, and we waited, and waited, and waited…. It never came.
Would Aorus Master actually be OK if i just want to use a single Gen 4 M2 slot connected to chipset and then later add single gen 5 ssd to the highest M2 slot? If i understand correctly - in this case GPU will stay at full speed.
I'd love to consider ASROCK, but availability is poor and there are many reports of failures with 9800x3d.
ASUS apparently damages GPU with it's quick release device. And MSI just have some weird relationship with AMD.
I wand a good board for 9800x3d that can later house the best end of life AM5 chip and have high chances of running memory at high speed, thank you. Dont care about audio (i have external DAC\AMP for headphones and soundbar for audio) and LAN speed (since i have 1 gigabit connection and will not go higher)
Hi, I’m sorry to bother you but you seem extremely knowledgeable. I’m trying to figure out which mobo to get for my white build. I have a 7800x3d and am stuck between Asus x870a Rog strix or the x870 aorus elite… haven’t found any other options that are all white. I’m wanting to use two gen 4 m.2 ssds while not having the pcie lanes to the gpu used at all. I want to be future proofed for 50 series. Any help is very appreciated. Have a blessed day.
Sadly no white options for those boards yet. You can use the gen 4 ssds in the 2 gen 5 slots without effecting the lane for the gpu but if you use any of the other 3 i believe your gpu will go from 16x to 8x . You can look up the online manual or ask Asus directly. If you’re buying this board and spending that much cash why not buy a Gen 5 to get those Gen 5 speeds ? Save extra money and get the full potential of your set up
the proart is s or s+ tier
it has better connectivity options than the hero
it has 3x 5.0 nvme (via adapter) 2x 4.0 nvme AND a 4x 4.0 pcie slot
pcie slots are always preferable to m.2 slots because you can always use a cheap adapter to convert a pcie slot to an m.2 slot
not to mention it has 10gb on board lan
Interesting. Another aspect of the Asus ProArt X870-E has 2 x USB-4 ; 7 type A USB 3 3.2 x 2 ports - 1 USB 3 3.2 X2 C Port that's in addition to every-thig else you said about it. Thank's for the very detailed and in depth review.
All of them have 2x USB4 as that's standard on all X870E boards.
ASRock X870E Nova or ASUS ROG X870E Crosshair Hero for me. Just need to find them in stock.
I fell in love with the nova a few days back and missed the stock......
Just because the Nova is a great value, doesn't mean it's S+ tier.
You should not take price into consideration. Tier list should be about performance.
Well, the performance of the nova is very good so there’s that!