Did some one tell this guy how many valuable scientific and academic books Mongols dumbed in Tigris river. That day the colour of the river turned black due to the ink of the millions of books. It was a black day for all humanity not just Muslims
@@hijack69 No, they did not. India became a scientific, economic, and of course, cultural powerhouse under Muslims. They never colonized India. It was never about displacing the local population, and having them subject to systematic racism and exploitation of the resources of _"inferior"_ peoples.
The scholars of the islamic academic golden age, always acknowledged the scholars of the Greeks Persians and Indians, it took years for the scholars to translate the books of the ancients. A collaboration of knowledge and acknowledgement and thanks to their patience and labour we have many advances in the sciences.
@@faizanalam1244 wait what, you Greek, Indian, Persian, Chinese, Roman Babylon Samarian, because that's the works that got translated, they also gave credit to the ancient civilizations, so not sure what you on about
@@rajareddy3104 Go read their works, Muslim scholars even call the numbers taken from India as Indian numerals, so please try your luck somewhere else. Most of the translated works, was destroyed by the Mongols
@@rajareddy3104 That how knowladge work My MahaRaja,humanity always built around Ancient knowladge,Greek to roman to islam to Renaissance to modern era to Space explorer,india to work like that,india got their knowladge from china,persia,arab,greek and many other
@@moosa9850 where is your proof that most of the translated works were destroyed by the Mongols. They gave credit to Indian numerals does that mean that was the norm
Yeah and they always sort of try to prove each other wrong because that's how you get to the ACTUAL TRUTH and not blindly follow something. I love that.
@A Humanist the issue that I have is not his position on the truth or falsity of Islam, but on his views surrounding the history of the Islamic contribution to science and mathematics. Additionally, the lack of fact checking throughout.
Baghdad has the biggest university of that Era where scholars come all over the world to share, study and research knowledge. Idk what's left of it now.
@@Brownfamily111 nalanda wasn’t just for spiritual knowledge . It was one of the largest universities in India that imparted knowledge of all subjects including science and students from all over the world came to study. Sadly the books were burned by Turkic invasions
“Mathematics has no connection with the religious sciences, and proves nothing for or against religion; it rests on a foundation of proofs which, once known and understood, cannot be refuted” (Ghazali)
Mathematics tend, however, to produce two bad results. The first is this: Whoever studies this science admires the subtlety and clearness of its proofs. His confidence in philosophy increases, and he thinks that all its departments are capable of the same clearness and solidity of proof as mathematics. But when he hears people speak of the unbelief and impiety of mathematicians, of their professed disregard for the Divine law, which is notorious, it is true that, out of regard for authority, he echoes these accusations, but he says to himself at the same time that, if there was truth in religion, it would not have escaped those who have displayed so much keenness of intellect in the study of mathematics. Next, when he becomes aware of the unbelief and rejection of religion on the part of these learned men, he concludes that to reject religion is reasonable. How many of such men gone astray I have met whose sole argument was that just mentioned. And supposing one puts to them the following objection: "It does not follow that a man who excels in one branch of knowledge excels in all others, nor that he should be equally versed in jurisprudence, theology, and medicine. It is possible to be entirely ignorant of metaphysics, and yet to be an excellent grammarian. There are past masters in every science who are entirely ignorant of other branches of knowledge. The arguments of the ancient philosophers are rigidly demonstrative in mathematics and only conjectural in religious questions. In order to ascertain this one must proceed to a thorough examination of the matter." Supposing, I say, one makes the above objection to these "apes of unbelief," they find it distasteful. Falling a prey to their passions, to a besotted vanity, and the wish to pass for learned men, they persist in maintaining the preeminence of mathematicians in all branches of knowledge. This is a serious evil, and for this reason those who study mathematics should be checked from going too far in their researches. For though far removed as it may be from the things of religion, this study, serving as it does as an introduction to the philosophic systems, casts over religion its malign influence. It is rarely that a man devotes himself to it without robbing himself of his faith and casting off the restraints of religion. The second evil comes from the sincere but ignorant Muslims who thinks the best way to defend religion is by rejecting all the exact sciences. Accusing their professors of being astray, he rejects their theories of the eclipses of the sun and moon, and condemns them in the name of religion. These accusations are carried far and wide, they reach the ears of the philosopher who knows that these theories rest on infallible proofs; far from losing confidence in them, he believes, on the contrary, that Islam has ignorance and the denial of scientific proofs for its basis, and his devotion to philosophy increases with his hatred to religion."
@@BaldTom Very well put. Additionaly, I would like to simply point out the fact that Mathematics is equally ineffective at proving anything for or against ANY religion or 'Harry potter' and 'Game of Thrones' for that matter.
@@ignorasmus You can't disprove something when there is absolutely no observable evidence to suggest that thing exists. You can't disprove that I am god ether. Or that god is a pink jelly bean.
He’s lying this is a clear humiliation for this agnostic “Nobel prize is his measure “ 😂 what a joke who’s here after Mohammed Hijab destroyed him by the permission of Allah
If he dig deeper than he 'll realize almost all muslim land being colonized by the west after the fall of ottomans n lead to the degrading age of muslim world on science exploration - its hard to focus on academia when your resources being controlled by others. He should include the percentage of black people who won noble also in this statistics , hence he'll know what it means
Stop falling back on the colonisation excuse. All manner of countries (not least the Arabs) have built empires and all manner of countries have suffered the consequences. In addition, how about Germany after the war? It was devastated, but within thirty years West Germany was being hailed as an economic miracle, with a commensurate degree of progress in academic and scientific fields.
@@soberman1520 Most jews are in america buddy. They have peace here. Most muslims are all over the world. and Niel is specifically talking about middle eastern muslims
I wonder why he didn't mention how many muslim & arab scientists have been assassinated by mossad (& co) in the last fifty years...that'll give him an explanation to a certain extent, then if he adds how many muslim & arab scientists were assassinated by colonial powers that'll give him an even better explanation...here's an example: *the scientist who invented nuclear chemistry while studying in france refused all offers of french authorities to settle in france, shortly after returning to his hometown in morocco he was killed in a car accident*
@@soberman1520 Controlling the interest-based banks of the formerly Christian European countries for the past few centuries certainly helped the jews in their progress. It's not about open mindedness, it's about who controls the resources. For example, China operates a totalitarian government where criticism and minorities are brutally repressed yet in terms of progress, they are leagues ahead of most.
Neil: Al-Ghazali campus of sciences Al-Ghazali: Learning science, mathematics and medicine is a societal duty and people must learn it Revival of Religious Sciences book, page 38 Neil: So you're calling me a liar?
Gazali never said that math or numbers are the work of the devil.. the reason behind collapse of science in the islamic world is a king called Alhasan ibn isaac Altosy.
You could argue that there was a break in the golden age, due to the Mongol invasions. But it returned sometime after the ottoman empires establishment
@@darksith7282 The break in the golden was and still is because of the Islamic religion itself. Rational thought and organized religion just do not go together.
What i have learnt from this video well is that even a scientist cannot free himself from innate prejudice and often adorns his false view with superficial and irrelevant facts.
I wonder why he didn't mention how many muslim & arab scientists have been assassinated by mossad (& co) in the last fifty years...that'll give him an explanation to a certain extent, then if he adds how many muslim & arab scientists were assassinated by colonial powers that'll give him an even better explanation...here's an example: *the scientist who invented nuclear chemistry while studying in france refused all offers of french authorities to settle in france, shortly after returning to his hometown in morocco he was killed in a car accident*
@@HopDavid hello David 👋, I am curious as to why you think he is a pop scientist more than a real scientist. Has he done any real contributions or is he just a talker?
@@abdelaleem4026 He flunked out of his first attempt at a doctorate at U.T. with his advisors telling him he wasn't cut out for astrophysics. And judging by all the stuff he gets wrong, I agree with them. For R. Michael Rich at Columbia he counted nova in the galactic bulge. That was his doctoral dissertation in the early 90s. He is mentioned very late in long lists of authors for the COSMOS review papers in 2007 and 2008. And that's pretty much his peer reviewed papers. I tried to link to some discussions of his C.V. by actual astrophysicists. But the moderators of this RUclips channel are no longer allowing me to post links.
Wow, Al Ghazali didn't simply say that. I don't think Neil read all of his book entirely. Nuclear is scientific breakthrough, but without heart, you got Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The button is pressed by a person. The bomb doesn't have a choice, it's the persons choice. That's how humans behave. They are an unpredictable and violent species with very little logic and magic sky pixies telling them what to do. Nothing I can do about it except observe. :)
What are you talking about? Ghazali was curious about science. He even by himself tried to know how big the Sun was even though his conclusions were wrong this proves his enthusiasm for science.
@@androidphobe9351A debate between Abu Hamid al-Ghazali and the muslim philosopher Averroes about two questions: the size of the universe and the fate of the Sun. al-Ghazali suggested that there is no reason for believing the size of the universe is fixed. Averroes refused this challenge claiming that the universe must have a fixed size otherwise it will corrupt. al-Ghazali suggested that there is no reason for believing that the Sun is eternal and will never degenerate. Averroes rejected this challenge and said that the Sun is part of the upper world and cannot be thought to corrupt.
I think you are missing the geo-political situation of most Muslim countries- they are failed post colonial states run by puppet dictatorships.. there was a time when the learning centers of the world were focused in Muslim lands, and knowledge was transferred to the west through primarily translating arabic books to latin from Toledo, which gave birth to thinkers like Copernicus. The sad reality today is if you are a Phd graduate in Egypt today chances are you will likely be driving a Taxi rather than utilizing that doctorate for any meaningful impact on humanity... the problem is political not religious as history demonstrates
@@BeamshipcaptainNothing could be further from the truth; just study islamic civilization -the world pre Islam and post Islam... i.e a transformation from what historians refer to as "the dark ages" to post Islam a period of which ushered in the modern age, transformed to a period of enlightenment, scientific inquiry, discovery and innovation in all fields... the islamic roots of the modern age are all around us from the numbering system we use today, to architecture, medicine, astronomy, computing, hospitals, universities.. unfortunately history is taught with selective amnesia
@@Beamshipcaptain all civilizations rise and fall my friend, they all have their day in the sun so to speak, Islamic golden era was quite fantastic, the first melting pot society incorporating a peaceful cohesive society of people from different religions, races, ethnicity working together.. Islamic civilization fell into decline after well meaning scholars got together and closed the doors to ijtihad, that started the decline, when the sickness set in - imperialists invaded in pursuit of resources (oil, gold, minerals) and trade routes (Suez canal, silk road) and created the countries that exist today in the mess that is the middle east, but the story is not over case in point the arab spring, change is on the horizon...
Why would Neal look at Geo political stuff ? His business is science. And Islam simply didn't produce anything extraordinary since the 12th century onwards. He's spot on about that.
I just lost all the respect and admiration I had for him. This is borderline ridicule! I would expect more research from someone like him. Even the new grad students would ridicule him in a debate on this topic.
He is still a great scientist. I agree its a disappointement but no man is perfect. Recognise how wrong are the god believers, they distort history every breath of their life. He was wrong and he should apologise but he is still a great person and this is one wrong doing compared to all the work he has done
totally agree that he has made great contributions in his field, but this topic is out of his expertise. I'm not sure whether he apologized or not, but he should, and refrain from talking about it.. until he can put actual facts on the table.
I agree with everything except the Nobel peace prize part, the nobel prize is less worthy than a trophy in the 3rd grade. Its biased and many horrible people who have done horrible hings have won those.
Horrible people have done horrible things, and won it..that is true. But, there is a difference between Nobel in science and Nobel peace prize. Neal is talking about the ones in science.
@@muhammadbilalawan6182 I think scientists tend to block out the existence of the Nobel Peace Prize so never consider it when talking about Nobel prizes :)
He was right and also wrong. Muslims didn't stop seeking knowledge because of some dude said everything is the will of ALLAH. Even in 15th 16th century muslims rulers and peoples used to seek knowledge in the subcontinent where there wasnt the chaos or aftermath of crusade. During the golden age muslims read the actual book and there are many times where its been said to seek knowledge. even the prophet himself said to keep seeking knowledge. Muslims are there but most of them are from eastern parts of asia just not middle east which is another misconception. Just like he said one from pakistan. Are only the arabs muslims?? we aren't??? Stereotypes!!! Here are the name of a few muslims who are just from my country whose inventions helped the world. - Abdus Suttar Khan (Material science- invented 40 different alloys some of which are still used today in western jet fighters) - Fazlur Rahman Khan (Structural Engineer- first to invent the tube structural system which is still used for high rise buildings. even the burj khalifa is based on the same concept) apart from these two there are many more just Bangladeshi Muslims who had invented something just they didn't make the part that "they are muslim" loud enough. And before talking about stuffs like this neil should have studied. He is a well known and respected man. I have just given 2 examples from top of my head cause my field of interest is also in those 2 subjects. Now you wonder how many are there from other muslim countries. And nobel prize should never be the benchmark. We all saw what the woman with peace prize did. didn't we? Yes middle easterns aren't currently in the forefront of science cause basically its in chaos since when i was a kid. now i am in mid twenties and things are still the same. How can you expect to seek knowledge when just surviving everyday is a challenge, when you dont know where the next bomb might fall. It even might fall on an educational institution.
@@jirenthegray2904 here is the problem. You guys gonna believe in an instant that those people doing something good were not influenced by their faith but will try to justify that if they aren't doing good or nothing its because of their faith...!!! Just like what neil did in this video. Why don't you people just stay quiet when you don't know close to nothing about a certain group of people and have to act like knows all geniuses. Listen to the experts of that group. He mentioned about a guy about whom even i never knew though i am a muslim but never mentioned Mohammad (PUBH) who told his followers, seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim. I guess that guy is known in middle east which he quoted in the video. But like most of your stereotypes, muslims not equals to middle eastern. they live in larger number in south asia. How many times i have tell the same things. aung san suu kyi, here is a great example of nobel winner. 🤦♂️ And here is some other FACTS in the link. Cause the faith of islam discourage to think freely. 🤦♂️ www.researchgate.net/publication/292970930_SCIENTIFIC_FACTS_IN_QURAN Islam dont need to open up. Muslims from war torn countries need to get up. Those leaders you taliking about of those muslim countries weren't elected by people. Egypt sisi backed by us, iraq-iran war; saddam backed by us, rise of taliban/osama bin laden during afghan-soviet war; backed by guess what us, saudi royal family backed by again us. Irans khameni rose to power when us backed shah was depriving his own people. Most of the problem with middle east summed up. Some govt should stay neutral then talk about other. You gonna involve with someone and support them as long as they support your cause but when they change their mind its their faith which is the problem not the money or weapons or international support you provided, right?? 🙄 Religion is just a scapegoat. The real reason is regional politics. As long as you cant solve that science will never progress no matter what religion, social norms, culture whatever you want to blame it on.
"He mentioned about a guy about whom even i never knew though i am a muslim but never mentioned Mohammad (PUBH) who told his followers, seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim." *Are you talking about al-Ghazuli? To not know about the person responsible for destroying your golden age shows how ignorant of history you actually are, and a reason why Islamic people are the most uneducated, suffer from high illiteracy rates and so forth.* "I guess that guy is known in middle east which he quoted in the video. But like most of your stereotypes, muslims not equals to middle eastern. they live in larger number in south asia. How many times i have tell the same things." *Because south-east asian Muslims is a recent phenomena, and how many times do YOU need to be told. People don't create great things BECAUSE of Islam, they do it because they IGNORE Islam. Understand?* "aung san suu kyi, here is a great example of nobel winner. And here is some other FACTS in the link. Cause the faith of islam discourage to think freely." *1.3 Billion of you and still achieved barely anything for how many Muslims there are and that's a fact! 15 million Jews and they have 150 Nobel Prizes. How come you Muslims can still count the amount of Nobel prizes you've one on one hand?* "Islam dont need to open up. Muslims from war torn countries need to get up. Those leaders you taliking about of those muslim countries weren't elected by people. Egypt sisi backed by us, iraq-iran war; saddam backed by us, rise of taliban/osama bin laden during afghan-soviet war; backed by guess what us, saudi royal family backed by again us. Irans khameni rose to power when us backed shah was depriving his own people. Most of the problem with middle east summed up." *Wrong. Islam is a backwards archaic religion and all of its success came from a time when they were open to western ideas and thinking and that is a proven fact. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you a member of ISIS, because you sound like one of them!? Take responsibility. Stop taking loans from America that you can;t pay back. Stop allowing them to do things in the past like train the Mujahudeen, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES!* "Some govt should stay neutral then talk about other. You gonna involve with someone and support them as long as they support your cause but when they change their mind its their faith which is the problem not the money or weapons or international support you provided, right??" *Again, stop blaming Americas foreign policy for all of your problems! You were fighting and going backwards long before America got there and that's a damn fact, get over it! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES!* "Religion is just a scapegoat. The real reason is regional politics. As long as you cant solve that science will never progress no matter what religion, social norms, culture whatever you want to blame it on." *Islam is a religious and political system, hence why both sides get attacked. So fix your culture, reform from within, shiite and sunni should stop fighting, and look to western ideas to champion them again, then Islam will have peace and can be at the forefront of scientific discovery again.*
@@cracklingsoda Islam is a religion greater than you, my friend. The first word in it is read. Rather, Muslims must follow it completely and do not deduct from it what they want. Islam says to you, “Walk in the land and see what the creation looked like.” Experimental science from astronomy on astrology is the Messenger Muhammad, my friend. You say scholars are not because of Islam and the terrorists because of it.
@@cracklingsoda The Nobel Prize was only given to Europeans, my friend. Until the 20th century, they started giving it to outside Europe. Secondly, the Nobel Prize is not a standard, my friend. When Muslims laughed at Socrates and laughed at his theories and discovered algebra and politicized the numbers that we use today, Europeans sold the forgiveness of the Jews and invaded Muslims in Jerusalem
The amount of historical inaccuracies, false claims, and of intellectual dishonesty is embarrassing by a so-called academic, or should i say over glorified journalist.
@@BaldTom almost everything. For example he said people were interpreting the Quran however they wanted before al Ghazali.. never before have I seen such a blatant blunder. Goes to show he didn't do his due diligence
@@waqqas6799 Sorry. Can you tell me that again I am not sure if there was autotext or something in there, but I don't understand what you are trying to tell me.
@@BaldTom he basically said that before a certain scholar's time (Ghazali), Muslims interpreted the Quran however they wanted, which even a layman knows is a complete lie. Islam has always had one interpretation of the Quran which is the Prophet Mohammed's interpretation. He also slandered the aforementioned scholar saying that he was opposed to science, which is completely unfounded.
@@waqqas6799 I looked up the quote to see if it was attributed correctly and it appears that Tyson was correct. If there is only one interpretation of the Quran, which one is it? Is it the one that condones terrorism and Jihad? The one that supports murder as the punishment for Apostates? Or is it the one that says there is no compulsion in religion? The one that says Slay the unbelievers where ever you find them? Or the one that says killing just one innocent is like killing the whole of mankind? I doubt you would take the stance that all Muslims share the exact same beliefs would you?
It is a stretch to call this pop science celebrity an astrophysicist. He hasn't done research in 30 years. And, judging by all the inaccuracies in his pop science routine, hasn't opened a textbook in that time either.
Indeed. Our base 10 numbering system is Indian. Brahmagupta deserves some credit for developing algebra. Algorithms (step by step procedures for carrying out calculations) were in use by India and many other cultures for centuries before Islam came along. The Bush and Star Names story was debunked in 2014 by Sean Davis. Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil. The entire video is garbage.
@@jiwachhetri7317 Much of the video is false. I don't believe Neil was intentionally trying to deceive so I wouldn't call it lying. He was merely addled, in my opinion. For example Tyson's account of Bush's 9-11 speech. Bush's actual speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque. It most certainly was NOT an "attempt to distinguish we from they". See this piece from the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/27/neil-degrasse-tyson-admits-he-botched-bush-quote/ The whole video is full of falsehoods. I can give more examples if you like.
@@BaldTom Well, he did actually. He said Ghazali codified Islam like Aquinas did for Christianity. Before that each Muslim was interpreting the Koran as he or she saw fit. Another embarrassing fiction.
@@ibnseena "Sure, you have knowledge more than him" No intellectual person says that. Ever. The reason as to why humanity achieved a lot was never because of comments like these. In the scientific world, scientists often absolutely love it when they get disproven. That means that humanity has learned something new. There's no such thing as "it is impossible that you have more knowledge than him". Look at Beethoven for example, he was deaf but he still produced amazing music, he's still made a huge contribution to humanity with his art, no professional musician has ever told him that he wouldn't be as good as them just because he now has lost his hearing ability. Your ignorance is truly dangerous. In the scientific world there's no such thing as "I know much more than you and therefore you should shut up". Everyone is open to criticize things.
@@red-sv2qf You are absolutely wrong... there are levels for IQ. People are NOT equal in their intellect, feelings,..... You are so naive ad have no depth in your thinking! Hay, you are smarter than Einstein, lol. In any major, including astronomy, physics, math, there are some who are smarter than others... YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF & stop writing nonsense: HOW OLD ARE YOU?
@@ibnseena neil is a physicist, so he should stay on that lane. He has no right to act like his a historian trying to teach world history, in which he does not have the qualification. You would not expect a math teacher to teach history class are you?
@@YoLo-nz2fo It all depends...Some people has multiples skills & intellects. It is absolutely not right to say If you are a doctor then don't talk about history or politics or.....Read the history of the world (including US history - Founding Fathers) & you will understand my statement above....
@@Wabbelpaddel he never mentioned math as the devils work. He deemed philosophy as incoherent and engaged in one the most spectacular philosophical debates with Ibn Rushd. Please before you speak on something try doing a little bit of research. Otherwise, you just sound dumb.
I was shocked when he brought "Al-Ghazali" as some religious fanatic who doesn't value intellect and research..Unfortunately, Neil couldn't save himself the way he wanted to save President Bush. I think he hasn't read anything about Ghazali. Islam, like any other religion, had many extremist scholars, who objected to research and science, but Ghazali wasn't one of them. In Islamic world Ghazali has quite the opposite reputation, as a mystic, philosopher who had profound understanding of Greek philosophy , started philosophical discourse in his time, a theologian who valued logic and talked about living a happy ,contented life.
Correct. Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil. Neil's account of President Bush's 9-11 speech is also false. Bush's actual speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque. The talk is addled nonsense from start to finish.
HE FORGOT: The Euro & Jewish renaissance of innovations was built on the back of established Muslim sciences, effectively shorn of rightful credit. Impossible without same.
All was good until he got to Ghazali. The beginning of the decline was NOT Ghazali, it was the Mongol invasion, where this speaker missed the fact that the rivers of Baghdad turned to black because of all the books the Mongols threw in the rivers! Funny how he forgot that.
Iran recovered after Alexander burned their books. Europe recovered despite lots of their knowledge being lost after Alexandria and Rome were conquered. China recovered from book burnings.
@Greg Kanowitz Tyson hasn't done research or opened a textbook since his dissertation in the early 90s. It is a stretch to call him an astrophysicist. Whatever you want to call him, that doesn't excuse Tyson falsifying history to push a narrative.
He writes a ton about how knowledge is bad. Learning takes you away from god and puts you in the hand of the devil - repeated 1,000 times in "revival of religious sciences"
@@Justin-tp1mx Watch Al-Muqaddimah's video on the fall of the Islamic Golden Age. It's impossible that one man's books could've extinguished and entire people's interest in science. Rather it was the invasions and wars that preceded the decline. In the face of war, scientists weren't much useful back then. They couldn't build nuclear weapons and killing drones for the governor like scientists do today. Considering that Islam is not monolithic as let's say the Catholic Church, meaning it doesn't have a higher authority (except for maybe in some Shia groups) which can change the religion just like that. It takes ages of scholarly consensus and getting the people used to certain beliefs, to make them lose faith in science. If you look even at Ibn Taymiyah, arguably the predecessor of the Wahabi/Salafi ideology, he said "Know that it is agreed that the Earth is round-shaped. The orbits are circular as stated in the Qur'an." So even the most conservative and literalist scholars of Islam were leaning towards the belief that natural sciences don't contradict the Religion, what would you expect from Al-Ghazzali whose works are mild and tolerant compared to Ibn Taymiyah's?
@@DarioHaruni in war, scientists are the most useful soldiers, they create new weapons against which the enemy has no defense, the greatest advances in human history came as results of wars
@@frostyab7579 Yes, I know that and the Qur'an orders me to observe the Creation of the Universe. And I'm proud about the scientific achievements of the religious scholars of the Islamic Golden Age. And I am a scientist too.
For a guy who is highly regarded as an intellect made little to no effort to research his bold claims. Kids who dont know better would actually believe this liar if they didnt fo further reseach them selves. Shame on you
There is ample evidence to support deGrasse's claims. I suggest you consult R. Reilly's book The Closing of the Muslim Mind, in which theses such as deGrasse's are presented in detail. And don't label someone a 'liar' just because he presents a viewpoint you are uncomfortable with. I've lost count of the number of shrill Muslims in RUclips comments sections who unjustifiably defame others in this way.
Looking into peer reviewed journals and publications are the best way to state if people are contributing to science or not. And one key fact he is missing is most muslims live in the developing nations where getting a job and feeding family is more important due to the hustle lifestyle rather than spending time to do research. Also funding related to research is also very low in these countries also. All the countries that can fund like Dubai are invested in infrastructure because it´s easier to get return on investments.
@@abelnicolaebaritone The truth? You probably don't even know what you are talking about. Just a simple google search will tell you that al-Ghazali have never claimed that math or science was "the work of devil". What he deemed as heresy against Islam was some (and even then not all) of the teachings of some of the Greek philosophers that the islamic philosophers of his time were following. None of those teachings were about math or science either. He also clearly states that just because someone is well informed in one area doesn't mean that they are well informed in every area so one shouldn't take whatever the Greek philosophers said as the absolute truth. In fact despite his contributions, some of Aristoteles' teachings crippled the scientific advancement in Europe. His teachings were part of the reason why the church had almost executed Galileo Galilei
- who are a victim to systemic and systematic racism -who are in constant battle to remain alive from their oppressors -who are not given the basic humanitarian right to live and have the right to a proper education. Keep these questions in mind when it comes to comparing one another on the basis of race, ethnic background, and/or religion.
Gains from college education are a lie... look up Nasim Taleb (he showed that countries became rich and innovative before they had mass education). Also look up Bryan Kaplan's the case of against education. What you need are people motivated to endlessly tweak things, and self learning.
systemic racism? of muslims in muslim countries? constant battle to remain alive from oppressors...who run those muslim governments? not given basic rights to have proper education, as mandated by muslim clerics who rule and dictate the laws of the muslim countries? make it make sense.
8min full of lies We call this in egypt هبد "habd" which means that the person doesn't know what he is talking about and just hits his ass on the keyboard and say what he has written
@@Aro_2002 Of course you don't. You wouldn't wish to be exposed to evidence that doesn't fit your narrative. Anything that contradicts your worldview you unthinkingly condemn as 'lies'. As, I'm sure, does the dimwit who gave your post a 'like'.
@@maxb9315 Dude I already "exposed" myself to everything he said in the video and searched it. I am a college student and I don't have that much time to waste.
Arabs themselves gave credits to Indians who discovered algebra. Why you people still misleading people. And there wasn't any islam at that time. Nor did it has anything to do with arab philosophers and scientists.
_Wow very interesting to see that the real knowledge and wisdom we use today are been invented by them the Muslims great video love it_ Yes sounds so simple doesn't it? But there is more than meets the eye and Tyson does not explain. But questions - why did it start? And why did it stop? Stop it did, shortly after 1111AD and after that, there was was nothing after that.
It's a decent metric. Got any better suggestions? Let's be honest, Arabs and Muslims don't invent/discover anything in math, science, and philosophy anymore. They haven't contributed a fraction of what the West has contributed in these fields for over a 1000 years now.
@@t.d.2016 Neil talks about the small number of prizes earned by the 1.4 billion Muslims alive today. Well, the same is true of the 1.4 billion people living in India. Or the 1.4 billion people living in India. These are populations of comparable size and populations that have enjoyed periods of innovation. In fact the zero and our base ten numbering system comes from India, not the Arabs as Neil falsely claims. Neil claims that a once innovative population would surely have recovered if not Ghazali. His claim is demonstrated false.
Systematic oppression is no new trait of the ⚪️ Man.. they may create false criteria but history can speak for itself. Can’t erase history although they try their hardest to change history.
@@GloHamed And attempting to change history is exactly what Tyson's doing here. Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil. Nor did Islamic innovation collapse in Ghazali's lifetime. Also Tyson's account of Bush's 9-11 speech is completely and utterly false. Bush's actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque. Desh Amila is also helping spread these falsehoods. His channel This Is 42 should be condemned for posting Tyson's invented histories.
@@t.d.2016 The West litterally stole Middle Eastern knowledge and gave themselves the credit. Colonialist attitude. Bagdad used to be the world capital of science. Your arrogance is embarrassing.
Huge misunderstanding : most of times you need an expert to translate old Arabic books I think his understanding about al-ghazali is very wrong also science wasn’t present in Islam only during 1st half of its 1st century due to wars against it and wars to spread it
This gentleman is also skipping the fact that Alfred Nobel built his wealth out of war economy. So, the number Nobel prize wins might not really be the right scale for benchmarking success of nations. Also Enrico Fermi, Emilio Segre, Richard Feynman, James Rainwater are Nobel prize winners due to their contributions to the Manhattan project which caused death of tens of thousands of civilians in a split second. There is more... Henry Kissinger received the Nobel peace prize, but he is the direct cause of 3 million deaths in Vietnam, 600.000 in Cambodia and 500.000 in Malaysia coup, all civilians. We can add Obama to the list who is also a Nobel peace prize who is also the first president in the US history to have war in consecutive two administration periods. Authors like Mark Twain and Tolstoy failed to receive a literature prize while Winston Churchill had one, which is kind of weird. Peter Handke too received a nobel prize although he is supportive of the Srebrenitsa massacre. So there is *bias* my friends and this simply disqualifies Nobel prize to be an absolute reference for assessing success.
Nobel prize might not be the best indicator for the success of an individual or nation. However, there are correlations between nobel prize winners and those (individuals or nations) who are successful (assuming success=greater quality of life). There is no denying that Muslim countries are behind the western countries in terms of human rights and QUALITY OF LIFE. Muslims also tend to put Islam on an untouchable pedestal. This means that if science SEEMS goes against religion, they reject science without questioning the religion. Many don't even try to find an explanation in which science and Islam coincide and therefore they reject science. This stops many Muslims from perusing certain subjects since these subjects may lead to conflicts with their religion and thus this causes an overall smaller number of muslims to win the Nobel prize. Lastly, from what I have seen there very few children want to fulfill their curiosity through research into science and those who want to research into science are frowned upon by Muslim elders. And yes I am a Muslim myself for those wondering, and before any assumptions are made about my background, I wasn't born in the UK and have spent most of my life in Pakistan which is why I am able to comment on Muslim's view on science/education. Since I live in the UK, I am also able to compare Pakistan to the UK.
You do know that Neil is talking about science, right? There are several fields of Nobel prizes. He is talking about science. They are weighty. The peace price is extremely hit and miss, and often more political than anything else. Science is not politics. You either discover something, or you dont.
@@tzimiable facts! also peace price is always a miss in my opinion. Science Nobel prizes usually have an immediate long lasting effect on the world but peace never seems to he any closer
I can understand Mr. Tyson's frustration regarding the lack of participation by the Muslim people in the field of science. To that I would say, he should look into the historic impact of European colonialism on the world of Islam, and how the Islamic education system, that took centuries to develop, was systematically and methodically disassembled by the colonial powers. We are recovering now, despite the continued western interference in our countries. Despite the American bombs being dropped on our heads, our rightful leaders deposed or murdered and replaced by western puppets, our most sacred beliefs mocked and ridiculed by pseudointellectual showmen of the modern media. Despites all of that and more, we are recovering, and in the coming decades Mr. Tyson will finally start to see those Nobel Prizes trickle in. [edit] Lots of angry comments here. You really have to be a born Muslim to understand their feelings. Allow me to elaborate. Black people are about 1/5th the world population. Number of Nobel Prizes in science? Zero. Why is that Mr. Tyson? How come such a large part of the human population, which is just as intelligent as anyone else, so far behind in scientific research? There are reasons... right? Political reasons, historical reasons, geographic reasons, etc. etc. None of those reasons has ANYTHING to do with the the fact that they are black, does it? Surly that is something you and I agree on, right? But there are ignorant, racist scumbags out there who might say otherwise. They might say that the n**** is just naturally inferior. To me, who was raised on the Islamic principals of equality of all mankind, such a statement is downright disgusting, and only points to the intellectual vacuousness of such an individual. When you, Mr. Tyson, stand there and blithely accuse the "Muslims" of not participating in the scientific development of humanity, disregarding the hardships and horrors my people have had to survive through history (and are still suffering through, all over the world), to many, you may just appear really as a part of the problem.
Islam practiced slavery, whites and blacks and later blacks mostly, officially untill 1920. They conquerred a substantial part of the world since its inception while killing or enslaving the people they conquered or imposed dimmitide on the others. They never repented on what they did untill today, contrary to countries in the west. The nerve you have to complain without choking is appalling.
@@SocratesOnline Dont bother listening to Neil Disgraced. He is a tool, not a real scientist just a science journalist. Using Nobel prize to indicate scientific achievement? lmao what a joke. Nobel prize was just issued recently and Islam is older than that. Nobel is so biasedly influenced by colonialists to suit their agenda. Black people should be ashamed on having a tool suck up to his colonial masters. Slaves have been centuries long before Islam. Islam encourages freeing of slaves. Basically a lot of slaves are from Prisoners of War. At least we have a decency to not kill POW like the Europeans did during their war. Millions died from just world war 2 in Europe, funny guy.
So you mean to say that Saudi Arabia was some big utopia in 650 AD? Last time I checked, the Quran mentioned women are your fields, go visit them and plant your seeds. If you're mature enough, you'll understand the grotesque reference this alludes to. This is the perverted and regressive nature of the Quran. The great muhammad married a 6 year old girl and had sexual relations with her when she was 8-9 years old. He was a mass murdered who killed thousands during 600 ads or so. So, the middle east was no utopia then. Europe systematically destroyed the Indian education system as well, but why is it that Indians are smart today, heading google, microsoft, twitter, IBM or making ISRO, DRDO, IITS for example? Middle East was always a hell hole no matter how much you try to think in your minds that it was some islamic utopia (which it never was). Also, guess what, the 'arabic numerals', were actually taken by arabs traders from India who introduced them in europe. So europeans began to call them arabic numerals. Hardcore potheads then say some delusions about islamic mathematics. If the middle east people were so smart, then why are the busy blowing up bombs, and not working as researchers?
I agree and understand your point but to be fair, he is focusing on the downfall of scientific discovery by Muslims whereas black people really had no major contributions to begin with which is why an A to A comparison is not apt. Also, he is conferring to the point that religious radicalism had a role in that downfall albeit not the sole reason. We can’t deny your point which might have had (I believe) a greater impact on the downfall but we can’t dismiss his point as hate either in a scientific/ educated conversation.
Race and religion are not comparable. You can choose to be a Muslim but you cannot choose to not be born black. You're comparing an ideology with biological traits. And that's what a racist would do to deflect the point he was making.
The father of rationalism Averroes (Ibne Rushd) was Muslim. He translated and introduced Aristotle to Europe. His work was later translated to Latin and Hebrew.
Please, I dare him to debate Mohammed Hijab. I mean in a video, Hijab literally dissected and exposed each of his slanderous statements. How embarrassing.
It will be insulting to Tyson to even consider engaging in the pugilistic rant fest that Hijab refers to as debate. Fact of matter is after Islam and Muslim behavior was codified and enforced in the Caliphates, scientific progress in the Islamic world took a terrible beating from which they are still suffering. Muslims once openly studied Greek, Persian and Indian texts of all kind (ex: Arabic numerals and 0 comes from Aryabhatta) but was stopped by the religious leaders, who are supposed to know Islam best, were afraid of Muslims developing critical and rational thinking that would make them harder to brainwash and control. That’s the irrevocable truth.
Al ghazali didn't call mathematics the work of the devil. In fact there were famous mathematicians during and around his time.. idk what he's on about but he should do much more research. Also..why is noble prize the objective of achievement when its controlled by the westerns? I can ask about how many black people got the Nobel prize, and if it's a low number (it is) that means all black people are not smart enough to earn it? Also keep in mind that the more technology advances the faster you get to the newer technologies. It's accelerated by time until we reach a certain limit. With that said, all the countries in power now will fall sooner or later just like the rest of the empires, countries etc. Have a good day.
I am a Muslim and I believe God has indeed created the universe and the world as a test before we enter the hereafter, aside from that, I believe it is in our nature and somewhat our obligation to explore the universe. I am very interested in astronomy and at one time wanted to pick an education that would lead me to become a teacher, however life has other plans and sadly I did not follow this path (not due to my religion). I wish more Muslims would actively take part in the course of science and especially astronomy, there's much we can achieve. Science is literally the only tool that'll enable us to permanently stop wars on Earth. Peace to all of you.
“Great indeed is the crime against religion committed by anyone who supposes that Islam is to be championed by the denial of these MATHAMATICAL sciences.'' AL-GHAZL (Book- Deliverance from Error)
@@jacksparrow7474 Isn't the Astrolabe practically the first computer in the world? Isn't the Qumra technically the first lens in the world. These people are haters and never want to acknowledge a history not written by the victors.
The numeral system came to be known to the court of Baghdad, where mathematicians such as the Persian Al-Khwarizmi, whose book On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals (Arabic: الجمع والتفريق بالحساب الهندي Al-Jam` wal-Tafrīq bil-Ḥisāb al-Hindī) was written about 825 in Arabic, and then the Arab mathematician Al-Kindi, who wrote four volumes, On the Use of the Indian Numerals (Arabic: كتاب في استعمال الأعداد الهندية Kitāb fī Isti`māl al-'A`dād al-Hindīyyah) in about 830.
A Golden Age born from conquest, and the ancient knowledge of Persia, Greece, Rome, Egypt, can only last so long. ;) Once that knowledge dried up, no more Golden Age.
Though, I agree with his final statement but the rest of it was just a claim with no proof to back it up. I know he does not like Al Ghazali because Al Ghazali absolutely refuted the idea that things happen "Just because" which was the basis of Western philosophy. All Al Ghazali was trying to say was "The rock falls to the ground when you drop it but, if God wills, the rock can stay floating in the air". So it was not about refuting the systems that run the universe but, rather, about the presence of an intelligent entity behind the systems". Which, by the way, ancient philosophers like Aristotle and Socrates already concluded that there was a unified driving forced behind all of universe and they got to that conclusion through independent research.
@@hui975 well they are many muslim scientist in rnd. Its just they are not sensationalise like this guy. Also using a noble prize measurement are quite laughable really. Why dont he include the statistic of black people noble prize, chinese, indian when the latter 2 also have 1+ billion people too. Face it, noble prize is just a tool to feed western white man ego..
As an arab and someone who entered this field I can tell you this, it is not about not venturing into the scientific field but it is the fear of repercussion from others. We did have many discoveries but it was never really ours over the past 11 years I have been in this field, if we did discover something(s) usually someone else takes it away from us through "Legal" means. Simply I am not here to complain, if it benefits others we all share the pleasure of success in the end. Last point I would like to share, our resources are close to nil no matter how "rich" we are as no one is willing to allow us to borrow research material unless we are in their own research centres.
As-salamu alaykum from America. I’m sorry that happens. Humans are bad like that sometimes. I don’t have an answer. But I thank you for your contributions brother. Be well.
so he basically downgraded the viewpoint of white colonial wars on the muslims and destruction of islamic libraries by the mongols and went with his biased viewpoint, further claiming that there's barely any muslim who won the noble prize. May I ask how many black people have won the noble prize?
One small correction - The numerals and the decimal system was developed by Indians and were taken by the Arabic traders to the west as it was an excellent tool for their account keeping etc. Hence, they are also known as Hindu - Arabic numerals. Rest of that awesome stuff, was all Arabs.
I am a Shi'a Muslim and I fully agree Neil. A lot of people like ghazali set Islam and science apart. Even though my Islamic sect fully support science am feeling alienated because we are less than 1% of the population,
Again, not true. Let’s not divide us based on sects. We Muslims, all together want to excel. There are ignorant individuals from every walk of life and unfortunately, sometimes they’re the loudest voices.
4:56 Neil is either lying here or he's just too lazy to search before he makes this ridiculous claim!! AlGhazali didn't unify the Islamic practice among Muslims, because the Quran does that job and the companions of the Prophet PBUH made sure everyone was well versed in the teachings of Allah SWT! Research before opening mouth could save one's integrity if he has any!
@magicblanket Actually the caliphate didn't fall by the Mongols and Mongols didn't establish israel . Israel is roughly 50years old organization . But anyway there's another part of the tenet which is you have to take by reasons it means you can't set doing nothing and say "if Allah wells that I will have food today then I will have food today" no you have to work anf Qur'an mentioned several times about the importance of work and knowledge . In fact there's vers in the Qur'an that says literally "go and see how did the creation start" and that idiot says that Islam stopped scientist !
@magicblanket Allah didn't "send" the Mongols. He simply allowed it to happen, just like he allows rape, murder, and everything bad to happen. However, that's not an endorsement of what's being allowed. He has given us the ability to prevent such things from happening.
The comparison of Nobel prizes won is dumb. One should not forget the whole era of colonialism where Muslims, Blacks, etc were deprived of the very basic rights. Period of industrial revolution in west and loot and deprivation of the east.
It's important to note that there are those who don't want to see a stable world Muslim world with successful scholars...Which helps bring about what Mr. Neil wishes to see. ... Poverty is up. Corruption is up. Foreign intervention is up. Education is down.
Neil feels bad for Bush for saying things not true about the naming of the stars. I feel bad for Neil for saying incorrect things about Ghazali. You are blaming the wrong guy.
Neil is also saying incorrect things about Bush. His actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion, delivered from a mosque. Turns out Tyson confused Bush's eulogy for the Space Shuttle Columbia astronauts with his 9-11 speech. So much of what this man says is addled and wrong.
I used to look up to this guy once but now seeing how he sees Muslims is just absolutely poor and kinda sad seeing someone successful like him looking at Muslims like this
He's not wrong though. You just have hurt feelings because you can't handle the truth... "From the eighth to the fifteenth centuries, the Islamic civilization was the center of global progress. In contrast, no one can seriously contest today that the Muslim world is in a state that could only with kindness be called stagnation. It is militarily and economically weak, scientifically comatose, technologically living off infusions from the West, and politically plagued by tyrannies. Many in both the West and within the Muslim world have come to ask whether Islam is compatible with modern ideas. In this paper we shall examine the sources of the apparent conflict between Islam and the rule of law, democracy, and the rights of women. We shall argue that there are basic universal values shared by the modern West and the scriptural Islam and that the perceived conflict of civilizations is due to the degree to which both most Westerners and most Muslims have entangled evolved cultural notions with their basic values systems. We shall propose that that the resolution of these issues requires an unflinching commitment to the application of critical thought to questions of religion and global policy in order to disentangle cultural notions from fundamentals. Finally, we shall outline the ground rules consistent with both Islamic teachings and Western liberalism under which the constructive interactions between the modern West and the Muslim East may flourish allowing both to progress peacefully while maintaining their cultural integrity. In addition to a dialog between civilizations, an honest dialogue within civilizations is required." www.minaret.org/gd.pdf
@@jirenthegray2904 What do you mean I have hurt feelings he is basically saying that our religion is dumb and had ruined everything, we have our own beliefs and we have our own rituals and history and the fact that you people can't respect that or see it in a biased view is just disgusting. How would you feel if I told you that your race has ruined everything and lost connection to the modern world, who wouldn't feel hurt about that?
@@user-xm5le5ok2r But the way he said it was not only hurtful, it was insulting. If you want to speak the truth you don't start with something negative, he started with the 9/11 attack, if you were a student and I was to teach you about the history of Germany and I started with World War 2, would that bring to you (a non-german student) a good image of Germany? No, just like that he is explaining or starting the golden age of Islam in a bad way and that is not it, in his "statistics" he made it look like Muslims despite being large dont have that many "Nobel-price winner" which in about itself sounds wrong to compare two cultures based on something completely different but anyway by his logic there are 15 million Jews and 25% of them won the Nobel price and compare that to Muslims, who are 1.4B in the world and only 0.5% won the Nobel Price but if you were to look at how many number of people won the Nobel Price then you will get a different and accurate answer, 25% of Jews won the Nobel Price so that is 3,750,000 Jews and if you look at Muslims that is 7 million Muslims who have won the Nobel price so if you were to look at his logic Muslims are still on top in the science category or at least on top of the Jews in this category which either means that he was trying to bring us a bad image of Muslims or was looking at it in a wrong way, and also some of his information is vague regardless he could've made this look so much better and prove his point in an understandable and in a non-provoking way, but he didn't.
Afraz Mohammed First of all dude, you missed the points of what he was trying to state: 1. Our President after 9/11 made a mistake about the God who Muslims, Christians, and Jews serve. We all serve the same God, but a different name. 2. Islamic leaders in the 11th and 12th were once the lead in astrology, algebra, mathematics, medicine, and engineering. Many of the stars in space have Islamic names. 3. Hamid-Al Ghazah a Muslim scholar brought “a change” to that Golden Age. He banned the manipulation and study of numbers, which lead to higher learning and critical thinking, he said it was evil. Therefore, the Golden Age of advanced learning ended in Islam. He wasn’t putting down Islam. He was just making mention to the change that happened in history. Neil even mention how a period in history were St. Augustine a Christian leader “introduced an idea and belief” to Christian followers that had nothing to do with God, resulting in many people being murderer. 4. It’s ironic with a large population of Islamic followers, to this day you don’t have many Muslims receiving the Nobel prize. Why? Because of an erroneous belief about technological advancements implemented by an Islamic leader. It affected the contributions of Muslims in scientific advancements in our world in many ways. In conclusion, Neil was not putting down or degrading Islam. He was making it clear that leaders can enforce a belief in any group that results in a major loss for many generations. Just think about this, what advancements for humanity have been taken to the grave of many followers of Islam who have lowered their thinking to this belief. Neil was making a point how he hurts what society has missed out on from the contributions of what could had been if this belief had not been enforced in Islam. “Dude, get the chip off your shoulders and see and hear what Neil was really saying.” I will say this myself: Leaders throughout history from all religions have implemented laws and beliefs that have nothing to do with God.
I don’t think Neil finished reading al ghazalis book. His knowlege is very incomplete. Everything is the will of Allah. If something falls. Surely it is the will of Allah. Doesn’t mean you don’t study physics and the factors that come into that stone falling
It's actually unscientific and unethical to keep this video up. Considering the amount of distortions, misquotes and lies, it's shocking that this man is the face of modern science. And it an eye opener, always fact check whatever you hear, even if it's from someone as likeable as Neil!
This Is 42 should keep the video up but with the disclaimer that Neil's claims are false. Neil makes many false claims, not just in the realm of Islamic history. See my list: hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2016/01/fact-checking-neil-degrasse-tyson.html
Considering you (like all other comments) brought up no specific inaccuracies, I'm gonna assume you didn't listen to the video. He brings up all the good things that islam did and muslims like you keep responding with "fuck you neil, islam has done lots of good things". Makes no sense.
Iraq was the only middle eastern country which had open heart surgeries in the eighties. That explains why the US invaded and razed it to the ground. Why does professor Neil failed to mention that?
There are a lot of modern Arab Inventors such as Algerian Belkacem Habba who invented 1600 tech inventions SD Card, Flash Disk, Playstations but Media don't talk about them because they are dark brown with no colored eyes.
Just about everything Tyson says in the above video is wrong. It is entertaining to watch Mohammed Hijab's video: Muslim schools Neil deGrasse Tyson. Tyson's account of president Bush's 9-11 speech is also completely wrong. Is Belkacem Habba a Muslim?
Navigation , algebra , numerical calculus , numbersytem all of it develped in india far before the Arab Goldan age started so 😑 it's is quite possibly they (Arabs) just appreciated the pre thought science ..they had better documentary propoganda done by the arabs .. because if past repeats itself no matter what and if they did discover it they would have had that trait still but not they don't and it vanished which shows they just copied and presented it in a nicer rap/plate to the world to make them think yaaa it was arab golden age when it was not
During the Sasanian Dynasty, which ruled over the Persian Empire from the 3rd to the 7th century CE, there were notable Zoroastrian scholars and scientists who made significant contributions to various fields. While specific information about individual Zoroastrian scientists from that period may be limited, here are some areas of knowledge in which Zoroastrians made advancements: *_Astronomy:_* Zoroastrians, influenced by their religious beliefs, had a strong interest in astronomy. They developed astronomical observations and calculations, including the compilation of star charts and the study of celestial phenomena. These observations and calculations aided in the development of the Persian calendar, which had a solar foundation. *_Medicine:_* Zoroastrians in the Sasanian period contributed to the field of medicine. Prominent physicians such as Burzoe and Bakhtishu played key roles in advancing medical knowledge and practices. They translated and compiled Greek medical texts into Persian, thereby preserving and disseminating medical knowledge throughout the empire. *_Alchemy:_* Zoroastrian scholars in the Sasanian period were involved in the study and practice of alchemy. Alchemy encompassed various disciplines, including the search for the philosopher's stone, the transmutation of metals, and the pursuit of elixirs of immortality. These studies laid the foundation for later developments in chemistry. *_Philosophy and Theology:_* Zoroastrian scholars engaged in philosophical and theological discussions, exploring concepts related to ethics, cosmology, and metaphysics. They sought to understand the nature of existence, the relationship between good and evil, and the purpose of human life. These philosophical and theological inquiries influenced later Islamic and Persian philosophical traditions. *_Literature and Poetry:_* Zoroastrian scholars contributed to the literary and poetic traditions of the Sasanian period. They produced works in the Persian language, including epics, religious texts, and lyrical poetry. These literary contributions played a crucial role in the development of Persian literature and had a lasting impact on subsequent Persian literary traditions. It is important to note that during the Sasanian period, Zoroastrianism was the state religion of the Persian Empire, and many scholars and intellectuals were adherents of this faith. While specific names and details may not be extensively documented and are lost to history after the brutal Islamic conquest of Persia from (633-651 CE) with major Persian libraries and Universities like the "School of learning at Ctesiphon" it's vast libraries and the famous "Academy of Gondishapur" barely survived the destruction by the Arabs and many Middle Persian texts were burned those who survived were later translated into Arabic but the original copy didn't survive, Zoroastrians undoubtedly played a significant role in the intellectual and scientific advancements of the era.
Just so you know there lived ancient sumerians aka Mesopotamians, Ancient Egyptians who were pioneers in mathematics much before vedas were written (Vedic Period)
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Did some one tell this guy how many valuable scientific and academic books Mongols dumbed in Tigris river. That day the colour of the river turned black due to the ink of the millions of books. It was a black day for all humanity not just Muslims
i agree with you
And they call themselves intellectuals and they actually destroy science
@@ryanr7776 Mongols were Asians not Europeans. Also when Muslim rulers conquered the Indian subcontinent, they did the same thing
So blame the Mongols?
Despite the Mongols wrecking havoc all the way to the western sea.
@@hijack69 No, they did not. India became a scientific, economic, and of course, cultural powerhouse under Muslims. They never colonized India. It was never about displacing the local population, and having them subject to systematic racism and exploitation of the resources of _"inferior"_ peoples.
Scientific knowledge is never "lost". Unless you live in Arab lands.
The scholars of the islamic academic golden age, always acknowledged the scholars of the Greeks Persians and Indians, it took years for the scholars to translate the books of the ancients. A collaboration of knowledge and acknowledgement and thanks to their patience and labour we have many advances in the sciences.
@@faizanalam1244 wait what, you Greek, Indian, Persian, Chinese, Roman Babylon Samarian, because that's the works that got translated, they also gave credit to the ancient civilizations, so not sure what you on about
You mean. Islam scholars copied from Greeks and Indians and claimed that it's theirs... Acknowledging is far different than that
@@rajareddy3104 Go read their works, Muslim scholars even call the numbers taken from India as Indian numerals, so please try your luck somewhere else. Most of the translated works, was destroyed by the Mongols
@@rajareddy3104 That how knowladge work My MahaRaja,humanity always built around Ancient knowladge,Greek to roman to islam to Renaissance to modern era to Space explorer,india to work like that,india got their knowladge from china,persia,arab,greek and many other
@@moosa9850 where is your proof that most of the translated works were destroyed by the Mongols. They gave credit to Indian numerals does that mean that was the norm
This one thing I love about Science.
It builds upon the work of others. A collective effort of humanity.
Yeah and they always sort of try to prove each other wrong because that's how you get to the ACTUAL TRUTH and not blindly follow something. I love that.
Then came Nasionalisme
Right or wrong is my country
science is giving names to patterns we observe in nature
Yes everything is will of Allah, but in Islam we are suppose to also figure out why that , how is that , how to make things better, etc
Unfortunately white supremacists will desagree with you, because they think everything was invented by their so called civilization....
He needs to apologise for his blatant lies and insufficient research
He didn't lie.
@A Humanist this man does not know the slightest thing about theology or philosophy
I have read books of hadith and the Quran. I have come to the conclusion that Islam is false.
@@mo_ali0-d8t I know philosophy. You can discuss it with me if you want.
@A Humanist the issue that I have is not his position on the truth or falsity of Islam, but on his views surrounding the history of the Islamic contribution to science and mathematics. Additionally, the lack of fact checking throughout.
Baghdad has the biggest university of that Era where scholars come all over the world to share, study and research knowledge. Idk what's left of it now.
No it wasn't nalanda University of India was the greatest University
@@25fpslagger81 Nalanda spiritual knowledge deti thi science ki baat kha se aa gayi kyon history Ko galat tareeke se batate ho
@@Brownfamily111 nalanda wasn’t just for spiritual knowledge . It was one of the largest universities in India that imparted knowledge of all subjects including science and students from all over the world came to study. Sadly the books were burned by Turkic invasions
@@varunendraverma6638 Plzz 🙏
Ypu guys are the reason why the world is in shit.
Stfu and try to learn from this vid.
“Mathematics has no connection with the religious sciences, and proves nothing for or against religion; it rests on a foundation of proofs which, once known and understood, cannot be refuted” (Ghazali)
Mathematics tend, however, to produce two bad results. The first is this: Whoever studies this science admires the subtlety and clearness of its proofs. His confidence in philosophy increases, and he thinks that all its departments are capable of the same clearness and solidity of proof as mathematics. But when he hears people speak of the unbelief and impiety of mathematicians, of their professed disregard for the Divine law, which is notorious, it is true that, out of regard for authority, he echoes these accusations, but he says to himself at the same time that, if there was truth in religion, it would not have escaped those who have displayed so much keenness of intellect in the study of mathematics.
Next, when he becomes aware of the unbelief and rejection of religion on the part of these learned men, he concludes that to reject religion is reasonable. How many of such men gone astray I have met whose sole argument was that just mentioned. And supposing one puts to them the following objection: "It does not follow that a man who excels in one branch of knowledge excels in all others, nor that he should be equally versed in jurisprudence, theology, and medicine. It is possible to be entirely ignorant of metaphysics, and yet to be an excellent grammarian. There are past masters in every science who are entirely ignorant of other branches of knowledge. The arguments of the ancient philosophers are rigidly demonstrative in mathematics and only conjectural in religious questions. In order to ascertain this one must proceed to a thorough examination of the matter." Supposing, I say, one makes the above objection to these "apes of unbelief," they find it distasteful. Falling a prey to their passions, to a besotted vanity, and the wish to pass for learned men, they persist in maintaining the preeminence of mathematicians in all branches of knowledge. This is a serious evil, and for this reason those who study mathematics should be checked from going too far in their researches. For though far removed as it may be from the things of religion, this study, serving as it does as an introduction to the philosophic systems, casts over religion its malign influence. It is rarely that a man devotes himself to it without robbing himself of his faith and casting off the restraints of religion.
The second evil comes from the sincere but ignorant Muslims who thinks the best way to defend religion is by rejecting all the exact sciences. Accusing their professors of being astray, he rejects their theories of the eclipses of the sun and moon, and condemns them in the name of religion. These accusations are carried far and wide, they reach the ears of the philosopher who knows that these theories rest on infallible proofs; far from losing confidence in them, he believes, on the contrary, that Islam has ignorance and the denial of scientific proofs for its basis, and his devotion to philosophy increases with his hatred to religion."
@@BaldTom Very well put.
Additionaly, I would like to simply point out the fact that Mathematics is equally ineffective at proving anything for or against ANY religion or 'Harry potter' and 'Game of Thrones' for that matter.
It was a quote from Ghazali. I think it was actually quite silly
But you are right, it’s impossible for math or science to disprove something of which there is absolutely no evidence for.
@@ignorasmus You can't disprove something when there is absolutely no observable evidence to suggest that thing exists.
You can't disprove that I am god ether. Or that god is a pink jelly bean.
He’s lying this is a clear humiliation for this agnostic “Nobel prize is his measure “ 😂 what a joke who’s here after Mohammed Hijab destroyed him by the permission of Allah
Yessir neil is a clown
he's not atheist he's agnostic dude
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Mohammed Hijab is a moron and a coward. Anyone who believes him is a deluded fool
U just mad bro
If he dig deeper than he 'll realize almost all muslim land being colonized by the west after the fall of ottomans n lead to the degrading age of muslim world on science exploration - its hard to focus on academia when your resources being controlled by others. He should include the percentage of black people who won noble also in this statistics , hence he'll know what it means
Jews have no state for 2000 years but they are still in progress so His problem is not that but open mindedness
Stop falling back on the colonisation excuse. All manner of countries (not least the Arabs) have built empires and all manner of countries have suffered the consequences. In addition, how about Germany after the war? It was devastated, but within thirty years West Germany was being hailed as an economic miracle, with a commensurate degree of progress in academic and scientific fields.
@@soberman1520 Most jews are in america buddy. They have peace here. Most muslims are all over the world. and Niel is specifically talking about middle eastern muslims
I wonder why he didn't mention how many muslim & arab scientists have been assassinated by mossad (& co) in the last fifty years...that'll give him an explanation to a certain extent, then if he adds how many muslim & arab scientists were assassinated by colonial powers that'll give him an even better explanation...here's an example: *the scientist who invented nuclear chemistry while studying in france refused all offers of french authorities to settle in france, shortly after returning to his hometown in morocco he was killed in a car accident*
@@soberman1520 Controlling the interest-based banks of the formerly Christian European countries for the past few centuries certainly helped the jews in their progress. It's not about open mindedness, it's about who controls the resources. For example, China operates a totalitarian government where criticism and minorities are brutally repressed yet in terms of progress, they are leagues ahead of most.
Neil: Al-Ghazali campus of sciences
Al-Ghazali: Learning science, mathematics and medicine is a societal duty and people must learn it
Revival of Religious Sciences book, page 38
Neil: So you're calling me a liar?
Gazali never said that math or numbers are the work of the devil.. the reason behind collapse of science in the islamic world is a king called Alhasan ibn isaac Altosy.
That's stretching it a little bit.. It's more complex than any single king can do especially in those days..
You could argue that there was a break in the golden age, due to the Mongol invasions. But it returned sometime after the ottoman empires establishment
@@darksith7282 The break in the golden was and still is because of the Islamic religion itself. Rational thought and organized religion just do not go together.
@Red Kane I don't read religious books. Why should anyone?
@Red Kane What religion is valid teaching? NONE.
What i have learnt from this video well is that even a scientist cannot free himself from innate prejudice and often adorns his false view with superficial and irrelevant facts.
It is a stretch to call this pop science celebrity a scientist.
I wonder why he didn't mention how many muslim & arab scientists have been assassinated by mossad (& co) in the last fifty years...that'll give him an explanation to a certain extent, then if he adds how many muslim & arab scientists were assassinated by colonial powers that'll give him an even better explanation...here's an example: *the scientist who invented nuclear chemistry while studying in france refused all offers of french authorities to settle in france, shortly after returning to his hometown in morocco he was killed in a car accident*
@@zteaxonm595 There are so many things wrong with arguments. He is ridiculous. It is my hope this will become widely known.
@@HopDavid hello David 👋, I am curious as to why you think he is a pop scientist more than a real scientist. Has he done any real contributions or is he just a talker?
@@abdelaleem4026 He flunked out of his first attempt at a doctorate at U.T. with his advisors telling him he wasn't cut out for astrophysics. And judging by all the stuff he gets wrong, I agree with them.
For R. Michael Rich at Columbia he counted nova in the galactic bulge. That was his doctoral dissertation in the early 90s.
He is mentioned very late in long lists of authors for the COSMOS review papers in 2007 and 2008.
And that's pretty much his peer reviewed papers.
I tried to link to some discussions of his C.V. by actual astrophysicists. But the moderators of this RUclips channel are no longer allowing me to post links.
Wow, Al Ghazali didn't simply say that. I don't think Neil read all of his book entirely.
Nuclear is scientific breakthrough, but without heart, you got Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Correct! Everything in the above video is false. Neil has a bad habit of inventing history to support his arguments.
Islam is a stupid religion
The button is pressed by a person. The bomb doesn't have a choice, it's the persons choice. That's how humans behave. They are an unpredictable and violent species with very little logic and magic sky pixies telling them what to do. Nothing I can do about it except observe. :)
@@DinoHunter56 And, "insert name here" isn't a stupid religion. 🤣
@@HopDavid Where did he do that?
Search "Muslim schools Neil deGrasse" by Mohamed Hijab. Tyson gets destroyed.
"YOU'RE FINISHED"
Just watched it. Good video
Agree
ye I watched it. hijab is a lion
Great video
What are you talking about?
Ghazali was curious about science.
He even by himself tried to know how big the Sun was even though his conclusions were wrong this proves his enthusiasm for science.
When?
@@androidphobe9351 when he was alive.
@@androidphobe9351A debate between Abu Hamid al-Ghazali and the muslim philosopher Averroes about two questions: the size of the universe and the fate of the Sun. al-Ghazali suggested that there is no reason for believing the size of the universe is fixed. Averroes refused this challenge claiming that the universe must have a fixed size otherwise it will corrupt. al-Ghazali suggested that there is no reason for believing that the Sun is eternal and will never degenerate. Averroes rejected this challenge and said that the Sun is part of the upper world and cannot be thought to corrupt.
@Smile MotherLover he didn't...
@Smile MotherLover I don't know wether they arrived at a conclusion or not, but Ghazali said that the Universe was not in a fixed shape.
wow man. as a muslim i really am ashamed that we have lost our way. 😟😟
Ottoman empire, the turks cared about war more than anything else.
I think you are missing the geo-political situation of most Muslim countries- they are failed post colonial states run by puppet dictatorships.. there was a time when the learning centers of the world were focused in Muslim lands, and knowledge was transferred to the west through primarily translating arabic books to latin from Toledo, which gave birth to thinkers like Copernicus. The sad reality today is if you are a Phd graduate in Egypt today chances are you will likely be driving a Taxi rather than utilizing that doctorate for any meaningful impact on humanity... the problem is political not religious as history demonstrates
The problem is ISLAM ITSELF. Islam stifles innovation and freedom of thought.
@@BeamshipcaptainNothing could be further from the truth; just study islamic civilization -the world pre Islam and post Islam... i.e a transformation from what historians refer to as "the dark ages" to post Islam a period of which ushered in the modern age, transformed to a period of enlightenment, scientific inquiry, discovery and innovation in all fields... the islamic roots of the modern age are all around us from the numbering system we use today, to architecture, medicine, astronomy, computing, hospitals, universities.. unfortunately history is taught with selective amnesia
@@raha5570 We know Islamics pioneered the sciences; then withdrew into primitivism, and have stayed there to this day. No other civilization did that.
@@Beamshipcaptain all civilizations rise and fall my friend, they all have their day in the sun so to speak, Islamic golden era was quite fantastic, the first melting pot society incorporating a peaceful cohesive society of people from different religions, races, ethnicity working together.. Islamic civilization fell into decline after well meaning scholars got together and closed the doors to ijtihad, that started the decline, when the sickness set in - imperialists invaded in pursuit of resources (oil, gold, minerals) and trade routes (Suez canal, silk road) and created the countries that exist today in the mess that is the middle east, but the story is not over case in point the arab spring, change is on the horizon...
Why would Neal look at Geo political stuff ? His business is science. And Islam simply didn't produce anything extraordinary since the 12th century onwards. He's spot on about that.
What in the ignorance?? Is this a joke? Perhaps a failed attempt of a stand-up comedy?
He can't even say jokes
@@mohamedhusam8189 bruh 🤣
What's wrong bro?
I just lost all the respect and admiration I had for him. This is borderline ridicule! I would expect more research from someone like him. Even the new grad students would ridicule him in a debate on this topic.
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Same to me..i felt so sad with this video..before this im very admired to be like him..
He is still a great scientist. I agree its a disappointement but no man is perfect. Recognise how wrong are the god believers, they distort history every breath of their life. He was wrong and he should apologise but he is still a great person and this is one wrong doing compared to all the work he has done
totally agree that he has made great contributions in his field, but this topic is out of his expertise. I'm not sure whether he apologized or not, but he should, and refrain from talking about it.. until he can put actual facts on the table.
@@your_boy_lamine What facts did he get wrong?>
I agree with everything except the Nobel peace prize part, the nobel prize is less worthy than a trophy in the 3rd grade. Its biased and many horrible people who have done horrible hings have won those.
Not in the science part. Nobel science prizes are given fairly. Peace prizes are the ones given mostly to wrong people.
You mean Obama?
Horrible people have done horrible things, and won it..that is true. But, there is a difference between Nobel in science and Nobel peace prize. Neal is talking about the ones in science.
@@jamieammar6131 i guess i wasnt paying attention, i understand now
@@muhammadbilalawan6182 I think scientists tend to block out the existence of the Nobel Peace Prize so never consider it when talking about Nobel prizes :)
He was right and also wrong.
Muslims didn't stop seeking knowledge because of some dude said everything is the will of ALLAH. Even in 15th 16th century muslims rulers and peoples used to seek knowledge in the subcontinent where there wasnt the chaos or aftermath of crusade. During the golden age muslims read the actual book and there are many times where its been said to seek knowledge. even the prophet himself said to keep seeking knowledge.
Muslims are there but most of them are from eastern parts of asia just not middle east which is another misconception. Just like he said one from pakistan. Are only the arabs muslims?? we aren't??? Stereotypes!!!
Here are the name of a few muslims who are just from my country whose inventions helped the world.
- Abdus Suttar Khan (Material science- invented 40 different alloys some of which are still used today in western jet fighters)
- Fazlur Rahman Khan (Structural Engineer- first to invent the tube structural system which is still used for high rise buildings. even the burj khalifa is based on the same concept)
apart from these two there are many more just Bangladeshi Muslims who had invented something just they didn't make the part that "they are muslim" loud enough. And before talking about stuffs like this neil should have studied. He is a well known and respected man. I have just given 2 examples from top of my head cause my field of interest is also in those 2 subjects. Now you wonder how many are there from other muslim countries. And nobel prize should never be the benchmark. We all saw what the woman with peace prize did. didn't we?
Yes middle easterns aren't currently in the forefront of science cause basically its in chaos since when i was a kid. now i am in mid twenties and things are still the same. How can you expect to seek knowledge when just surviving everyday is a challenge, when you dont know where the next bomb might fall. It even might fall on an educational institution.
@@jirenthegray2904 here is the problem. You guys gonna believe in an instant that those people doing something good were not influenced by their faith but will try to justify that if they aren't doing good or nothing its because of their faith...!!! Just like what neil did in this video. Why don't you people just stay quiet when you don't know close to nothing about a certain group of people and have to act like knows all geniuses. Listen to the experts of that group. He mentioned about a guy about whom even i never knew though i am a muslim but never mentioned Mohammad (PUBH) who told his followers, seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim. I guess that guy is known in middle east which he quoted in the video. But like most of your stereotypes, muslims not equals to middle eastern. they live in larger number in south asia. How many times i have tell the same things.
aung san suu kyi, here is a great example of nobel winner. 🤦♂️
And here is some other FACTS in the link. Cause the faith of islam discourage to think freely. 🤦♂️
www.researchgate.net/publication/292970930_SCIENTIFIC_FACTS_IN_QURAN
Islam dont need to open up. Muslims from war torn countries need to get up. Those leaders you taliking about of those muslim countries weren't elected by people. Egypt sisi backed by us, iraq-iran war; saddam backed by us, rise of taliban/osama bin laden during afghan-soviet war; backed by guess what us, saudi royal family backed by again us. Irans khameni rose to power when us backed shah was depriving his own people. Most of the problem with middle east summed up.
Some govt should stay neutral then talk about other. You gonna involve with someone and support them as long as they support your cause but when they change their mind its their faith which is the problem not the money or weapons or international support you provided, right?? 🙄
Religion is just a scapegoat. The real reason is regional politics. As long as you cant solve that science will never progress no matter what religion, social norms, culture whatever you want to blame it on.
"He mentioned about a guy about whom even i never knew though i am a muslim but never mentioned Mohammad (PUBH) who told his followers, seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim."
*Are you talking about al-Ghazuli? To not know about the person responsible for destroying your golden age shows how ignorant of history you actually are, and a reason why Islamic people are the most uneducated, suffer from high illiteracy rates and so forth.*
"I guess that guy is known in middle east which he quoted in the video. But like most of your stereotypes, muslims not equals to middle eastern. they live in larger number in south asia. How many times i have tell the same things."
*Because south-east asian Muslims is a recent phenomena, and how many times do YOU need to be told. People don't create great things BECAUSE of Islam, they do it because they IGNORE Islam. Understand?*
"aung san suu kyi, here is a great example of nobel winner. And here is some other FACTS in the link. Cause the faith of islam discourage to think freely."
*1.3 Billion of you and still achieved barely anything for how many Muslims there are and that's a fact! 15 million Jews and they have 150 Nobel Prizes. How come you Muslims can still count the amount of Nobel prizes you've one on one hand?*
"Islam dont need to open up. Muslims from war torn countries need to get up. Those leaders you taliking about of those muslim countries weren't elected by people. Egypt sisi backed by us, iraq-iran war; saddam backed by us, rise of taliban/osama bin laden during afghan-soviet war; backed by guess what us, saudi royal family backed by again us. Irans khameni rose to power when us backed shah was depriving his own people. Most of the problem with middle east summed up."
*Wrong. Islam is a backwards archaic religion and all of its success came from a time when they were open to western ideas and thinking and that is a proven fact. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you a member of ISIS, because you sound like one of them!? Take responsibility. Stop taking loans from America that you can;t pay back. Stop allowing them to do things in the past like train the Mujahudeen, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES!*
"Some govt should stay neutral then talk about other. You gonna involve with someone and support them as long as they support your cause but when they change their mind its their faith which is the problem not the money or weapons or international support you provided, right??"
*Again, stop blaming Americas foreign policy for all of your problems! You were fighting and going backwards long before America got there and that's a damn fact, get over it! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES!*
"Religion is just a scapegoat. The real reason is regional politics. As long as you cant solve that science will never progress no matter what religion, social norms, culture whatever you want to blame it on."
*Islam is a religious and political system, hence why both sides get attacked. So fix your culture, reform from within, shiite and sunni should stop fighting, and look to western ideas to champion them again, then Islam will have peace and can be at the forefront of scientific discovery again.*
@@cracklingsoda Islam is a religion greater than you, my friend. The first word in it is read. Rather, Muslims must follow it completely and do not deduct from it what they want. Islam says to you, “Walk in the land and see what the creation looked like.” Experimental science from astronomy on astrology is the Messenger Muhammad, my friend. You say scholars are not because of Islam and the terrorists because of it.
@@cracklingsoda en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contemporary_Muslim_scholars_of_Islam
@@cracklingsoda
The Nobel Prize was only given to Europeans, my friend. Until the 20th century, they started giving it to outside Europe. Secondly, the Nobel Prize is not a standard, my friend. When Muslims laughed at Socrates and laughed at his theories and discovered algebra and politicized the numbers that we use today, Europeans sold the forgiveness of the Jews and invaded Muslims in Jerusalem
The amount of historical inaccuracies, false claims, and of intellectual dishonesty is embarrassing by a so-called academic, or should i say over glorified journalist.
What did he get wrong here?
@@BaldTom almost everything. For example he said people were interpreting the Quran however they wanted before al Ghazali.. never before have I seen such a blatant blunder. Goes to show he didn't do his due diligence
@@waqqas6799 Sorry. Can you tell me that again I am not sure if there was autotext or something in there, but I don't understand what you are trying to tell me.
@@BaldTom he basically said that before a certain scholar's time (Ghazali), Muslims interpreted the Quran however they wanted, which even a layman knows is a complete lie. Islam has always had one interpretation of the Quran which is the Prophet Mohammed's interpretation. He also slandered the aforementioned scholar saying that he was opposed to science, which is completely unfounded.
@@waqqas6799 I looked up the quote to see if it was attributed correctly and it appears that Tyson was correct. If there is only one interpretation of the Quran, which one is it? Is it the one that condones terrorism and Jihad? The one that supports murder as the punishment for Apostates? Or is it the one that says there is no compulsion in religion? The one that says Slay the unbelievers where ever you find them? Or the one that says killing just one innocent is like killing the whole of mankind? I doubt you would take the stance that all Muslims share the exact same beliefs would you?
Well I use to think that he was a really credible intellectual
literally simple google search can destroy all of his arguments ..
@vm365 how many African or South American people got the prize?
He has very deep issues based on illusions .. i used to like him .. little i know
@vm365 its what i meant xD argument still holds
Noble price is under scrutiny
Nothing he said is wrong
So your telling me an Astrophysicist is going to teach me about religion? He needs to apologize for his lies!
What lie?
It is a stretch to call this pop science celebrity an astrophysicist. He hasn't done research in 30 years. And, judging by all the inaccuracies in his pop science routine, hasn't opened a textbook in that time either.
'Arab' maths is based on Indian knowledge.
Many Indians visited Bagdad in 8th Century and taught Maths, Science, etc., to the Arabs.
Indeed. Our base 10 numbering system is Indian. Brahmagupta deserves some credit for developing algebra.
Algorithms (step by step procedures for carrying out calculations) were in use by India and many other cultures for centuries before Islam came along.
The Bush and Star Names story was debunked in 2014 by Sean Davis.
Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil.
The entire video is garbage.
How does it feel being lied to you in your face when you know the truth?
sorry for my arrogance, don't mean to offend you, simply tryna learn, in what ways did he lie?
@@jiwachhetri7317 Much of the video is false. I don't believe Neil was intentionally trying to deceive so I wouldn't call it lying. He was merely addled, in my opinion.
For example Tyson's account of Bush's 9-11 speech. Bush's actual speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque. It most certainly was NOT an "attempt to distinguish we from they".
See this piece from the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/27/neil-degrasse-tyson-admits-he-botched-bush-quote/
The whole video is full of falsehoods. I can give more examples if you like.
Did this guy just say that Ghazali is the one who put Islam together?? 🤣
No. He didn't say that.
@@BaldTom Well, he did actually. He said Ghazali codified Islam like Aquinas did for Christianity. Before that each Muslim was interpreting the Koran as he or she saw fit. Another embarrassing fiction.
@Greg Kanowitz Whether true or not that doesn't support Tyson's claim that Ghazali codified Islam
@Greg Kanowitz Yes to avoid any miswritings and contradictions.
When you know nothing you stay silent. Something he failed to do
This is the reason why you should not give a mic to a person who lacks knowledge.
Sure, you have knowledge more than him loooooooool such a stupid comment
@@ibnseena "Sure, you have knowledge more than him"
No intellectual person says that. Ever.
The reason as to why humanity achieved a lot was never because of comments like these. In the scientific world, scientists often absolutely love it when they get disproven. That means that humanity has learned something new. There's no such thing as "it is impossible that you have more knowledge than him". Look at Beethoven for example, he was deaf but he still produced amazing music, he's still made a huge contribution to humanity with his art, no professional musician has ever told him that he wouldn't be as good as them just because he now has lost his hearing ability.
Your ignorance is truly dangerous.
In the scientific world there's no such thing as "I know much more than you and therefore you should shut up". Everyone is open to criticize things.
@@red-sv2qf You are absolutely wrong... there are levels for IQ. People are NOT equal in their intellect, feelings,..... You are so naive ad have no depth in your thinking! Hay, you are smarter than Einstein, lol. In any major, including astronomy, physics, math, there are some who are smarter than others... YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF & stop writing nonsense: HOW OLD ARE YOU?
@@ibnseena neil is a physicist, so he should stay on that lane. He has no right to act like his a historian trying to teach world history, in which he does not have the qualification. You would not expect a math teacher to teach history class are you?
@@YoLo-nz2fo It all depends...Some people has multiples skills & intellects. It is absolutely not right to say If you are a doctor then don't talk about history or politics or.....Read the history of the world (including US history - Founding Fathers) & you will understand my statement above....
Imam Ghazali was no fool. If you doubt me listen to his alchemy of happiness audiobook
There is a reason why we call him "Proof of Islam".
@Pablo Olbap try saying that after reading one of his books.
@@none.4836 Wasnt he the nutjob who said math is devils work?
That's all you need to know that he's a clown.
@@Wabbelpaddel Ghazali never said that.
@@Wabbelpaddel he never mentioned math as the devils work. He deemed philosophy as incoherent and engaged in one the most spectacular philosophical debates with Ibn Rushd. Please before you speak on something try doing a little bit of research. Otherwise, you just sound dumb.
I was shocked when he brought "Al-Ghazali" as some religious fanatic who doesn't value intellect and research..Unfortunately, Neil couldn't save himself the way he wanted to save President Bush. I think he hasn't read anything about Ghazali. Islam, like any other religion, had many extremist scholars, who objected to research and science, but Ghazali wasn't one of them. In Islamic world Ghazali has quite the opposite reputation, as a mystic, philosopher who had profound understanding of Greek philosophy , started philosophical discourse in his time, a theologian who valued logic and talked about living a happy ,contented life.
That's why I prefer Imam Shafi'i, he is open to thinking, even though the Quran suggests that science is very important
Correct. Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil.
Neil's account of President Bush's 9-11 speech is also false. Bush's actual speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque.
The talk is addled nonsense from start to finish.
HE FORGOT: The Euro & Jewish renaissance of innovations was built on the back of established Muslim sciences, effectively shorn of rightful credit. Impossible without same.
All was good until he got to Ghazali. The beginning of the decline was NOT Ghazali, it was the Mongol invasion, where this speaker missed the fact that the rivers of Baghdad turned to black because of all the books the Mongols threw in the rivers! Funny how he forgot that.
he is not educated on these subjects, he is obviously a layman
@@ndane2 And that's why the famous proverb says: "A little knowledge is a DANGEROUS thing".
Iran recovered after Alexander burned their books. Europe recovered despite lots of their knowledge being lost after Alexandria and Rome were conquered. China recovered from book burnings.
But you can't recover if your brain is burned by religion
Islam needs a freakin’ millennia to recover? Japan recovered in 50 years.
How can a man say this much of BS in 8 minutes ?
Watch how knowledge moved out of Ancient India. ruclips.net/video/RGyjvyXEKdc/видео.html
I don't know you guys would have to ask the dude who made the video that brought you morons here
All your likes are from butthurt people who are not scientifically inclined
How many black nobel prize winners for physics, chemistry or medicine?
🤣
about 15 won nobel peace prize considering the fact that it was 1895 and for the next 80 years segeration, discrimination was still legal :)
Even I'm here after br. Hijab
Bruh same
Same lol
I left islam now lol
@@hayyansheikh4297 whole quran
@@disguiseddogie7954 ya how many?
This is the reason why you should do your study and research first. All that he's saying is a complete lie. I lost all my respect for this guy.
Type "inventions in Islamic golden age" in Google and go Wikipedia, then come to talk the rest.
I'm sure he'll be devastated to learn that. 😕
@@HopDavid Thanks man. Time to bully pop science kids 😂
@@gohanblanco5641 these aalewis types could use a good wedgie
@Greg Kanowitz Tyson hasn't done research or opened a textbook since his dissertation in the early 90s. It is a stretch to call him an astrophysicist.
Whatever you want to call him, that doesn't excuse Tyson falsifying history to push a narrative.
It hurt after listenning to this actually, it's not a good idea to live in the past, we Muslim has to learn from it.
Don't be stupid
dont get swayed by his talk al ghazali was supportive of science
How could Ghazali be anti-science when the most famous book of his is titled "The Alchemy/Chemistry of Happiness" (Kimiya-yi Sa'ādat) ?
He writes a ton about how knowledge is bad. Learning takes you away from god and puts you in the hand of the devil - repeated 1,000 times in "revival of religious sciences"
He critized Ibn Sina's inclusion of previous Greek philosophy but that does not nessarily mean he was anti-science.
@@Justin-tp1mx Watch Al-Muqaddimah's video on the fall of the Islamic Golden Age. It's impossible that one man's books could've extinguished and entire people's interest in science. Rather it was the invasions and wars that preceded the decline. In the face of war, scientists weren't much useful back then. They couldn't build nuclear weapons and killing drones for the governor like scientists do today. Considering that Islam is not monolithic as let's say the Catholic Church, meaning it doesn't have a higher authority (except for maybe in some Shia groups) which can change the religion just like that. It takes ages of scholarly consensus and getting the people used to certain beliefs, to make them lose faith in science.
If you look even at Ibn Taymiyah, arguably the predecessor of the Wahabi/Salafi ideology, he said "Know that it is agreed that the Earth is round-shaped. The orbits are circular as stated in the Qur'an."
So even the most conservative and literalist scholars of Islam were leaning towards the belief that natural sciences don't contradict the Religion, what would you expect from Al-Ghazzali whose works are mild and tolerant compared to Ibn Taymiyah's?
@@DarioHaruni in war, scientists are the most useful soldiers, they create new weapons against which the enemy has no defense, the greatest advances in human history came as results of wars
@@frostyab7579 Yes, I know that and the Qur'an orders me to observe the Creation of the Universe. And I'm proud about the scientific achievements of the religious scholars of the Islamic Golden Age. And I am a scientist too.
For a guy who is highly regarded as an intellect made little to no effort to research his bold claims. Kids who dont know better would actually believe this liar if they didnt fo further reseach them selves. Shame on you
There is ample evidence to support deGrasse's claims. I suggest you consult R. Reilly's book The Closing of the Muslim Mind, in which theses such as deGrasse's are presented in detail. And don't label someone a 'liar' just because he presents a viewpoint you are uncomfortable with. I've lost count of the number of shrill Muslims in RUclips comments sections who unjustifiably defame others in this way.
After researching Islam I left it.
Looking into peer reviewed journals and publications are the best way to state if people are contributing to science or not. And one key fact he is missing is most muslims live in the developing nations where getting a job and feeding family is more important due to the hustle lifestyle rather than spending time to do research. Also funding related to research is also very low in these countries also. All the countries that can fund like Dubai are invested in infrastructure because it´s easier to get return on investments.
There are no scientific research being done in Muslim majority countries? Only proves his point.
Well said, i'm from egypt and this is true
Yep this is true
Very well articulated. Also, I may add it's "developing" in comparison to the "developed" world, both terms coined by the latter.
There is a reason why Newton and Darwin were'nt born in Muslim countries and most other cultures. They would have been killed and called blasphemous.
Did he ever apologize for this defamation of one of the greatest minds ever?
shut up..
@@abelnicolaebaritone Why? Is it OK to run your mouth about anything when you got some fame?
@@stilmaho if it's the truth, yeah.. It's not only ok, but mandatory. Bad thing about truth... it hurts.
@@abelnicolaebaritone The truth? You probably don't even know what you are talking about.
Just a simple google search will tell you that al-Ghazali have never claimed that math or science was "the work of devil". What he deemed as heresy against Islam was some (and even then not all) of the teachings of some of the Greek philosophers that the islamic philosophers of his time were following.
None of those teachings were about math or science either. He also clearly states that just because someone is well informed in one area doesn't mean that they are well informed in every area so one shouldn't take whatever the Greek philosophers said as the absolute truth.
In fact despite his contributions, some of Aristoteles' teachings crippled the scientific advancement in Europe. His teachings were part of the reason why the church had almost executed Galileo Galilei
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- who are a victim to systemic and systematic racism
-who are in constant battle to remain alive from their oppressors
-who are not given the basic humanitarian right to live and have the right to a proper education.
Keep these questions in mind when it comes to comparing one another on the basis of race, ethnic background, and/or religion.
You think 1.3 billion Muslims live in the USA?
So who is in a 'constant battle to remain alive from their oppressors'? A good deal of them are in the Muslim world, wouldn't you say?
Gains from college education are a lie... look up Nasim Taleb (he showed that countries became rich and innovative before they had mass education). Also look up Bryan Kaplan's the case of against education. What you need are people motivated to endlessly tweak things, and self learning.
@MusicProductionAndSheet How would YOU know if "systemic racism is a fallacy", especially being a WASP?
systemic racism? of muslims in muslim countries? constant battle to remain alive from oppressors...who run those muslim governments? not given basic rights to have proper education, as mandated by muslim clerics who rule and dictate the laws of the muslim countries? make it make sense.
8min full of lies
We call this in egypt هبد "habd" which means that the person doesn't know what he is talking about and just hits his ass on the keyboard and say what he has written
@Greg Kanowitz You said it yourself. So why is he speaking out of his ass about history?
See R. Reilly's book The Closing of the Muslim Mind in which theses such as deGrasse's are explained perfectly cogently.
@@maxb9315
I don't care
@@Aro_2002 Of course you don't. You wouldn't wish to be exposed to evidence that doesn't fit your narrative. Anything that contradicts your worldview you unthinkingly condemn as 'lies'. As, I'm sure, does the dimwit who gave your post a 'like'.
@@maxb9315
Dude I already "exposed" myself to everything he said in the video and searched it.
I am a college student and I don't have that much time to waste.
"How many Muslims won noble prizes?"
How many Black people won noble prizes??
Watch how invasions destroyed Indian discoveries but knowledge was plagiarized. ruclips.net/video/RGyjvyXEKdc/видео.html
@@rajeshji2811 😂
@@sy6553 Thanks for the reply.
Search "Muslim schools Neil deGrasse" by Mohamed Hijab. Tyson is a grifter who is not worthy of the support and recognition he has.
Search the book The Closing of the Muslim Mind by R. Reilly in which theses such as deGrasse's are explained in detail and are utterly cogent.
@@maxb9315 You should've watched the video he mentioned before commenting
I've seen the video. A few days ago I left remarks in its comments section, which you might wish to view.
@@maxb9315 Great. So would you please quote the lines in which Ghazali condemns science?
@@maxb9315 let me see if I can find them
Arabs themselves gave credits to Indians who discovered algebra. Why you people still misleading people. And there wasn't any islam at that time. Nor did it has anything to do with arab philosophers and scientists.
Wow very interesting to see that the real knowledge and wisdom we use today are been invented by them the Muslims great video love it ✅
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_Wow very interesting to see that the real knowledge and wisdom we use today are been invented by them the Muslims great video love it_
Yes sounds so simple doesn't it? But there is more than meets the eye and Tyson does not explain.
But questions - why did it start? And why did it stop? Stop it did, shortly after 1111AD and after that, there was was nothing after that.
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No they did not, for example the Numbers Arabs learnt from India. Search it. This guy spreading misinformation sorry.
Neil has missed a thing, or two, or a hundred. He's a science GP, without specialisation.
what are you even talking about?
@@endor8witch Look at my comment
Neil is a tour guide and nothing more
Rejects theism, rejects Christianity, accepts Islam. Direct irrationality left as an exercise for the reader.
As a muslim I agree. What pushes people away from religion is when mankind makes it seem mystical rather than scientific.
Since when has the noble prize been an accurate measurement of contributions in science?
It's a decent metric. Got any better suggestions? Let's be honest, Arabs and Muslims don't invent/discover anything in math, science, and philosophy anymore. They haven't contributed a fraction of what the West has contributed in these fields for over a 1000 years now.
@@t.d.2016 Neil talks about the small number of prizes earned by the 1.4 billion Muslims alive today. Well, the same is true of the 1.4 billion people living in India. Or the 1.4 billion people living in India.
These are populations of comparable size and populations that have enjoyed periods of innovation. In fact the zero and our base ten numbering system comes from India, not the Arabs as Neil falsely claims.
Neil claims that a once innovative population would surely have recovered if not Ghazali. His claim is demonstrated false.
Systematic oppression is no new trait of the ⚪️ Man.. they may create false criteria but history can speak for itself. Can’t erase history although they try their hardest to change history.
@@GloHamed And attempting to change history is exactly what Tyson's doing here.
Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil. Nor did Islamic innovation collapse in Ghazali's lifetime.
Also Tyson's account of Bush's 9-11 speech is completely and utterly false. Bush's actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque.
Desh Amila is also helping spread these falsehoods. His channel This Is 42 should be condemned for posting Tyson's invented histories.
@@t.d.2016 The West litterally stole Middle Eastern knowledge and gave themselves the credit. Colonialist attitude.
Bagdad used to be the world capital of science. Your arrogance is embarrassing.
Huge misunderstanding : most of times you need an expert to translate old Arabic books I think his understanding about al-ghazali is very wrong also science wasn’t present in Islam only during 1st half of its 1st century due to wars against it and wars to spread it
The Nobel prize is no marker to judge who is more learned. It merely reflect the bias of the Nobel committee
Lmao
Cope
And the one Pakistani who won Noble prize in Physics, we dont call him Muslim
He was not despite his achievements in physics.
don't call him a Muslim.. but Islam doesn't mean ignorance. Just look at the sky above you and let the stars remind you of their Arabic names :).
Shame on you @arslan Rashid
This gentleman is also skipping the fact that Alfred Nobel built his wealth out of war economy. So, the number Nobel prize wins might not really be the right scale for benchmarking success of nations. Also Enrico Fermi, Emilio Segre, Richard Feynman, James Rainwater are Nobel prize winners due to their contributions to the Manhattan project which caused death of tens of thousands of civilians in a split second. There is more... Henry Kissinger received the Nobel peace prize, but he is the direct cause of 3 million deaths in Vietnam, 600.000 in Cambodia and 500.000 in Malaysia coup, all civilians. We can add Obama to the list who is also a Nobel peace prize who is also the first president in the US history to have war in consecutive two administration periods. Authors like Mark Twain and Tolstoy failed to receive a literature prize while Winston Churchill had one, which is kind of weird. Peter Handke too received a nobel prize although he is supportive of the Srebrenitsa massacre. So there is *bias* my friends and this simply disqualifies Nobel prize to be an absolute reference for assessing success.
agreed.
Nobel prize might not be the best indicator for the success of an individual or nation. However, there are correlations between nobel prize winners and those (individuals or nations) who are successful (assuming success=greater quality of life). There is no denying that Muslim countries are behind the western countries in terms of human rights and QUALITY OF LIFE. Muslims also tend to put Islam on an untouchable pedestal. This means that if science SEEMS goes against religion, they reject science without questioning the religion. Many don't even try to find an explanation in which science and Islam coincide and therefore they reject science. This stops many Muslims from perusing certain subjects since these subjects may lead to conflicts with their religion and thus this causes an overall smaller number of muslims to win the Nobel prize. Lastly, from what I have seen there very few children want to fulfill their curiosity through research into science and those who want to research into science are frowned upon by Muslim elders.
And yes I am a Muslim myself for those wondering, and before any assumptions are made about my background, I wasn't born in the UK and have spent most of my life in Pakistan which is why I am able to comment on Muslim's view on science/education. Since I live in the UK, I am also able to compare Pakistan to the UK.
As someone living in a muslim country I can assure you people here are retarded
You do know that Neil is talking about science, right? There are several fields of Nobel prizes. He is talking about science. They are weighty. The peace price is extremely hit and miss, and often more political than anything else. Science is not politics. You either discover something, or you dont.
@@tzimiable facts! also peace price is always a miss in my opinion. Science Nobel prizes usually have an immediate long lasting effect on the world but peace never seems to he any closer
Respect the the golden age teachers that made you where you are. remember that.
I can understand Mr. Tyson's frustration regarding the lack of participation by the Muslim people in the field of science. To that I would say, he should look into the historic impact of European colonialism on the world of Islam, and how the Islamic education system, that took centuries to develop, was systematically and methodically disassembled by the colonial powers.
We are recovering now, despite the continued western interference in our countries. Despite the American bombs being dropped on our heads, our rightful leaders deposed or murdered and replaced by western puppets, our most sacred beliefs mocked and ridiculed by pseudointellectual showmen of the modern media. Despites all of that and more, we are recovering, and in the coming decades Mr. Tyson will finally start to see those Nobel Prizes trickle in.
[edit] Lots of angry comments here. You really have to be a born Muslim to understand their feelings. Allow me to elaborate. Black people are about 1/5th the world population. Number of Nobel Prizes in science? Zero. Why is that Mr. Tyson? How come such a large part of the human population, which is just as intelligent as anyone else, so far behind in scientific research? There are reasons... right? Political reasons, historical reasons, geographic reasons, etc. etc. None of those reasons has ANYTHING to do with the the fact that they are black, does it? Surly that is something you and I agree on, right? But there are ignorant, racist scumbags out there who might say otherwise. They might say that the n**** is just naturally inferior. To me, who was raised on the Islamic principals of equality of all mankind, such a statement is downright disgusting, and only points to the intellectual vacuousness of such an individual. When you, Mr. Tyson, stand there and blithely accuse the "Muslims" of not participating in the scientific development of humanity, disregarding the hardships and horrors my people have had to survive through history (and are still suffering through, all over the world), to many, you may just appear really as a part of the problem.
Islam practiced slavery, whites and blacks and later blacks mostly, officially untill 1920. They conquerred a substantial part of the world since its inception while killing or enslaving the people they conquered or imposed dimmitide on the others. They never repented on what they did untill today, contrary to countries in the west. The nerve you have to complain without choking is appalling.
@@SocratesOnline Dont bother listening to Neil Disgraced. He is a tool, not a real scientist just a science journalist. Using Nobel prize to indicate scientific achievement? lmao what a joke. Nobel prize was just issued recently and Islam is older than that. Nobel is so biasedly influenced by colonialists to suit their agenda. Black people should be ashamed on having a tool suck up to his colonial masters.
Slaves have been centuries long before Islam. Islam encourages freeing of slaves. Basically a lot of slaves are from Prisoners of War. At least we have a decency to not kill POW like the Europeans did during their war. Millions died from just world war 2 in Europe, funny guy.
So you mean to say that Saudi Arabia was some big utopia in 650 AD? Last time I checked, the Quran mentioned women are your fields, go visit them and plant your seeds. If you're mature enough, you'll understand the grotesque reference this alludes to. This is the perverted and regressive nature of the Quran. The great muhammad married a 6 year old girl and had sexual relations with her when she was 8-9 years old. He was a mass murdered who killed thousands during 600 ads or so. So, the middle east was no utopia then.
Europe systematically destroyed the Indian education system as well, but why is it that Indians are smart today, heading google, microsoft, twitter, IBM or making ISRO, DRDO, IITS for example? Middle East was always a hell hole no matter how much you try to think in your minds that it was some islamic utopia (which it never was). Also, guess what, the 'arabic numerals', were actually taken by arabs traders from India who introduced them in europe. So europeans began to call them arabic numerals. Hardcore potheads then say some delusions about islamic mathematics. If the middle east people were so smart, then why are the busy blowing up bombs, and not working as researchers?
I agree and understand your point but to be fair, he is focusing on the downfall of scientific discovery by Muslims whereas black people really had no major contributions to begin with which is why an A to A comparison is not apt. Also, he is conferring to the point that religious radicalism had a role in that downfall albeit not the sole reason. We can’t deny your point which might have had (I believe) a greater impact on the downfall but we can’t dismiss his point as hate either in a scientific/ educated conversation.
Race and religion are not comparable. You can choose to be a Muslim but you cannot choose to not be born black. You're comparing an ideology with biological traits. And that's what a racist would do to deflect the point he was making.
The father of rationalism Averroes (Ibne Rushd) was Muslim. He translated and introduced Aristotle to Europe. His work was later translated to Latin and Hebrew.
But wasn’t algebra invented in India and translated in the Arab communities, thus giving the West access to what was previously eastern knowledge ?
Yes, it was invented in India and went west via the Arabs
NO IT WAS CREATED IN PERSIA.AND SPREAD INTO INDIA.
Nope. Algebra was known to earlier mathmaticians
Algebra was invented in America 🇺🇸
@Muslim terrisost No. My dad's barber said he invented Algebra while attending barber school. He never lies lol.
Please, I dare him to debate Mohammed Hijab. I mean in a video, Hijab literally dissected and exposed each of his slanderous statements. How embarrassing.
It will be insulting to Tyson to even consider engaging in the pugilistic rant fest that Hijab refers to as debate. Fact of matter is after Islam and Muslim behavior was codified and enforced in the Caliphates, scientific progress in the Islamic world took a terrible beating from which they are still suffering. Muslims once openly studied Greek, Persian and Indian texts of all kind (ex: Arabic numerals and 0 comes from Aryabhatta) but was stopped by the religious leaders, who are supposed to know Islam best, were afraid of Muslims developing critical and rational thinking that would make them harder to brainwash and control. That’s the irrevocable truth.
Al ghazali didn't call mathematics the work of the devil. In fact there were famous mathematicians during and around his time.. idk what he's on about but he should do much more research. Also..why is noble prize the objective of achievement when its controlled by the westerns? I can ask about how many black people got the Nobel prize, and if it's a low number (it is) that means all black people are not smart enough to earn it? Also keep in mind that the more technology advances the faster you get to the newer technologies. It's accelerated by time until we reach a certain limit. With that said, all the countries in power now will fall sooner or later just like the rest of the empires, countries etc.
Have a good day.
I am a Muslim and I believe God has indeed created the universe and the world as a test before we enter the hereafter, aside from that, I believe it is in our nature and somewhat our obligation to explore the universe. I am very interested in astronomy and at one time wanted to pick an education that would lead me to become a teacher, however life has other plans and sadly I did not follow this path (not due to my religion).
I wish more Muslims would actively take part in the course of science and especially astronomy, there's much we can achieve. Science is literally the only tool that'll enable us to permanently stop wars on Earth.
Peace to all of you.
facts
Astoronomy is haram
@@spogfabbitdeadaccount8446 no its not.
@@spogfabbitdeadaccount8446 You are confusing it with astrology
@@jokaro3069 what's the difference?
“Great indeed is the crime against religion committed by anyone who supposes that Islam is to be championed by the denial of these MATHAMATICAL sciences.'' AL-GHAZL
(Book- Deliverance from Error)
This entire video in a nutshell: I don't study history, so therefore what I read must be true.
I know, he was blatantly lying. Islam making advancements in astronomy? Mathematics? Anything? Definitely not
@@Justin-tp1mx Because Islam did not made the advancement, Muslims did.
@@Justin-tp1mx wth it's actually true , are u dumb
@@Justin-tp1mx I bet the world wouldn't have created a calculator without Muslim scientists
@@jacksparrow7474 Isn't the Astrolabe practically the first computer in the world? Isn't the Qumra technically the first lens in the world. These people are haters and never want to acknowledge a history not written by the victors.
He is trying give an impression that I know better methods of understanding history than historians themselves!😂
Of course he is and its reallity
Still it is better than being an apologist and claiming knowing science better than scientists
The numeral system came to be known to the court of Baghdad, where mathematicians such as the Persian Al-Khwarizmi, whose book On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals (Arabic: الجمع والتفريق بالحساب الهندي Al-Jam` wal-Tafrīq bil-Ḥisāb al-Hindī) was written about 825 in Arabic, and then the Arab mathematician Al-Kindi, who wrote four volumes, On the Use of the Indian Numerals (Arabic: كتاب في استعمال الأعداد الهندية Kitāb fī Isti`māl al-'A`dād al-Hindīyyah) in about 830.
Indian Hindus invented "Algebra".
U have to be happy because they translated from Hindi to Arabic
@@shuaib4095 why?
al-khawarizmi was an arab not a persian.
Yeah i read that in WhatsApp how Khawarizim travelled to India to learn all that knowledge
Everytime I enter the comment sections, it feels like I walked right into the mental asylum.
this was truly embarrassing.
Ikr, he got everything wrong.
A Golden Age born from conquest, and the ancient knowledge of Persia, Greece, Rome, Egypt, can only last so long. ;)
Once that knowledge dried up, no more Golden Age.
false
By that logic even Persia, Greece, Egypt and Rome were born from conquest
Knowledge is continual, so those civilizations were carried on in Baghdad in that era.
Though, I agree with his final statement but the rest of it was just a claim with no proof to back it up. I know he does not like Al Ghazali because Al Ghazali absolutely refuted the idea that things happen "Just because" which was the basis of Western philosophy. All Al Ghazali was trying to say was "The rock falls to the ground when you drop it but, if God wills, the rock can stay floating in the air". So it was not about refuting the systems that run the universe but, rather, about the presence of an intelligent entity behind the systems". Which, by the way, ancient philosophers like Aristotle and Socrates already concluded that there was a unified driving forced behind all of universe and they got to that conclusion through independent research.
Well this guy is quite embarrassing
Abdul Wasi great observation
Well why? He gave you some free insights. Maybe raise your future generations to be more scientifically inclined? Rather than being defensive
@@hui975 well they are many muslim scientist in rnd. Its just they are not sensationalise like this guy. Also using a noble prize measurement are quite laughable really. Why dont he include the statistic of black people noble prize, chinese, indian when the latter 2 also have 1+ billion people too. Face it, noble prize is just a tool to feed western white man ego..
As an arab and someone who entered this field I can tell you this, it is not about not venturing into the scientific field but it is the fear of repercussion from others.
We did have many discoveries but it was never really ours over the past 11 years I have been in this field, if we did discover something(s) usually someone else takes it away from us through "Legal" means. Simply I am not here to complain, if it benefits others we all share the pleasure of success in the end.
Last point I would like to share, our resources are close to nil no matter how "rich" we are as no one is willing to allow us to borrow research material unless we are in their own research centres.
As-salamu alaykum from America.
I’m sorry that happens. Humans are bad like that sometimes. I don’t have an answer. But I thank you for your contributions brother. Be well.
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so he basically downgraded the viewpoint of white colonial wars on the muslims and destruction of islamic libraries by the mongols and went with his biased viewpoint, further claiming that there's barely any muslim who won the noble prize. May I ask how many black people have won the noble prize?
One small correction - The numerals and the decimal system was developed by Indians and were taken by the Arabic traders to the west as it was an excellent tool for their account keeping etc. Hence, they are also known as Hindu - Arabic numerals.
Rest of that awesome stuff, was all Arabs.
Yes. Thanks for saying this!
That is just one of many, many errors Tyson makes in the above video.
Its actually Hindu Arabic numerals.
@Racist white Koshur yeah when they took our number system. Before that the arabs used roman numerals.
I am a Shi'a Muslim and I fully agree Neil. A lot of people like ghazali set Islam and science apart. Even though my Islamic sect fully support science am feeling alienated because we are less than 1% of the population,
Again, not true. Let’s not divide us based on sects. We Muslims, all together want to excel. There are ignorant individuals from every walk of life and unfortunately, sometimes they’re the loudest voices.
4:56 Neil is either lying here or he's just too lazy to search before he makes this ridiculous claim!!
AlGhazali didn't unify the Islamic practice among Muslims, because the Quran does that job and the companions of the Prophet PBUH made sure everyone was well versed in the teachings of Allah SWT!
Research before opening mouth could save one's integrity if he has any!
and yet you have hanafi, hambali, syafi'i, maliki, suffi, shia, allowi, druze, and wahabi/salaphi, how could you call that unified?
Actually "anything happens is the well of Allah" is the tenet of all Muslims . Including the guy who made you the basics of that projector .
@magicblanket
Actually the caliphate didn't fall by the Mongols and Mongols didn't establish israel . Israel is roughly 50years old organization .
But anyway there's another part of the tenet which is you have to take by reasons it means you can't set doing nothing and say "if Allah wells that I will have food today then I will have food today" no you have to work anf Qur'an mentioned several times about the importance of work and knowledge .
In fact there's vers in the Qur'an that says literally "go and see how did the creation start" and that idiot says that Islam stopped scientist !
@magicblanket Allah didn't "send" the Mongols. He simply allowed it to happen, just like he allows rape, murder, and everything bad to happen. However, that's not an endorsement of what's being allowed. He has given us the ability to prevent such things from happening.
Islam says one moment spent in curious thinking is times better than a whole day of ibaadat' which mean to pray.
Is this the video that Hijab debunked?
Yep this Neil guy is FINISHED
The same hijab who deletes comments? Clown shit
he doesnt delete it but he has to approve it first
@@TheWanderer1800 what has deleting comments have to do with anything?
@@The_Angry_BeEconomist hijab is an apologist. He also censors other opinions. True Islamist in my opinion
This is just pure lies. It's just so sad to see how people these days are so easily manipulated by arrogant, stupid people who just blatantly lie.
The comparison of Nobel prizes won is dumb.
One should not forget the whole era of colonialism where Muslims, Blacks, etc were deprived of the very basic rights.
Period of industrial revolution in west and loot and deprivation of the east.
It's important to note that there are those who don't want to see a stable world Muslim world with successful scholars...Which helps bring about what Mr. Neil wishes to see. ... Poverty is up. Corruption is up. Foreign intervention is up. Education is down.
The middle east is 98% muslim why aren't they excelling,most countries are in poverty.
Did he just spoke of al ghazali? Guy this man is one of the greatest phylosopher of all times.!!!
No, he isn't. He failed to perceive the cause and effect principle, which is fundamental to science and an understanding of the natural world .
@@maxb9315 you should read his work in context... Hamza youcef has a good lecture on ghazali
@@botteya11 It depends what you mean by 'in context'. I've read of him in the context of critiques of Islam.
Neil feels bad for Bush for saying things not true about the naming of the stars. I feel bad for Neil for saying incorrect things about Ghazali. You are blaming the wrong guy.
Neil is also saying incorrect things about Bush. His actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion, delivered from a mosque. Turns out Tyson confused Bush's eulogy for the Space Shuttle Columbia astronauts with his 9-11 speech.
So much of what this man says is addled and wrong.
dude, out of ALL the the islamic historical character, you chose al ghazi to say this about?
Is he even serious?
I used to look up to this guy once but now seeing how he sees Muslims is just absolutely poor and kinda sad seeing someone successful like him looking at Muslims like this
He's not wrong though. You just have hurt feelings because you can't handle the truth...
"From the eighth to the fifteenth centuries, the Islamic civilization was the center of global progress. In contrast, no one can seriously contest today that the Muslim world is in a state that could only with kindness be called stagnation. It is militarily and economically weak, scientifically comatose, technologically living off infusions from the West, and politically plagued by tyrannies. Many in both the West and within the Muslim world have come to ask whether Islam is compatible with modern ideas.
In this paper we shall examine the sources of the apparent conflict between Islam and the rule of law, democracy, and the rights of women. We shall argue that there are basic universal values shared by the modern West and the scriptural Islam and that the perceived conflict of civilizations is due to the degree to which both most Westerners and most Muslims have entangled evolved cultural notions with their basic values systems.
We shall propose that that the resolution of these issues requires an unflinching commitment to the application of critical thought to questions of religion and global policy in order to disentangle cultural notions from fundamentals. Finally, we shall outline the ground rules consistent with both Islamic teachings and Western liberalism under which the constructive interactions between the modern West and the Muslim East may flourish allowing both to progress peacefully while maintaining their cultural integrity. In addition to a dialog between civilizations, an honest dialogue within civilizations is required."
www.minaret.org/gd.pdf
@@jirenthegray2904 What do you mean I have hurt feelings he is basically saying that our religion is dumb and had ruined everything, we have our own beliefs and we have our own rituals and history and the fact that you people can't respect that or see it in a biased view is just disgusting. How would you feel if I told you that your race has ruined everything and lost connection to the modern world, who wouldn't feel hurt about that?
He said nothing against Islam, he just spoke a truth that happened in history.
@@user-xm5le5ok2r But the way he said it was not only hurtful, it was insulting. If you want to speak the truth you don't start with something negative, he started with the 9/11 attack, if you were a student and I was to teach you about the history of Germany and I started with World War 2, would that bring to you (a non-german student) a good image of Germany? No, just like that he is explaining or starting the golden age of Islam in a bad way and that is not it, in his "statistics" he made it look like Muslims despite being large dont have that many "Nobel-price winner" which in about itself sounds wrong to compare two cultures based on something completely different but anyway by his logic there are 15 million Jews and 25% of them won the Nobel price and compare that to Muslims, who are 1.4B in the world and only 0.5% won the Nobel Price but if you were to look at how many number of people won the Nobel Price then you will get a different and accurate answer, 25% of Jews won the Nobel Price so that is 3,750,000 Jews and if you look at Muslims that is 7 million Muslims who have won the Nobel price so if you were to look at his logic Muslims are still on top in the science category or at least on top of the Jews in this category which either means that he was trying to bring us a bad image of Muslims or was looking at it in a wrong way, and also some of his information is vague regardless he could've made this look so much better and prove his point in an understandable and in a non-provoking way, but he didn't.
Afraz Mohammed First of all dude, you missed the points of what he was trying to state:
1. Our President after 9/11 made a mistake about the God who Muslims, Christians, and Jews serve. We all serve the same God, but a different name.
2. Islamic leaders in the 11th and 12th were once the lead in astrology, algebra, mathematics, medicine, and engineering. Many of the stars in space have Islamic names.
3. Hamid-Al Ghazah a Muslim scholar brought “a change” to that Golden Age. He banned the manipulation and study of numbers, which lead to higher learning and critical thinking, he said it was evil. Therefore, the Golden Age of advanced learning ended in Islam. He wasn’t putting down Islam. He was just making mention to the change that happened in history. Neil even mention how a period in history were St. Augustine a Christian leader “introduced an idea and belief” to Christian followers that had nothing to do with God, resulting in many people being murderer.
4. It’s ironic with a large population of Islamic followers, to this day you don’t have many Muslims receiving the Nobel prize. Why? Because of an erroneous belief about technological advancements implemented by an Islamic leader. It affected the contributions of Muslims in scientific advancements in our world in many ways.
In conclusion, Neil was not putting down or degrading Islam. He was making it clear that leaders can enforce a belief in any group that results in a major loss for many generations.
Just think about this, what advancements for humanity have been taken to the grave of many followers of Islam who have lowered their thinking to this belief.
Neil was making a point how he hurts what society has missed out on from the contributions of what could had been if this belief had not been enforced in Islam.
“Dude, get the chip off your shoulders and see and hear what Neil was really saying.”
I will say this myself: Leaders throughout history from all religions have implemented laws and beliefs that have nothing to do with God.
Go debate zakir naik ,you will realize we don't need Nobel prizes to prove our knowledge
How much you have been promised to dis .colilyfayed Muslim history.
7:32 "I can't bring myself to call economics a science" 😂
Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams thinking Neil supposedly physicist should know that lol
@Greg Kanowitz Ask any structural engineer then come back with your findings.
As a Muslim, you have addressed the issues of mankind not the religion.
I don’t think Neil finished reading al ghazalis book. His knowlege is very incomplete. Everything is the will of Allah. If something falls. Surely it is the will of Allah. Doesn’t mean you don’t study physics and the factors that come into that stone falling
I would guess that the Aztecs had names for all of the stars, too, but European dominance has wiped them from history.
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As a Muslim i agree with him..
It's actually unscientific and unethical to keep this video up. Considering the amount of distortions, misquotes and lies, it's shocking that this man is the face of modern science. And it an eye opener, always fact check whatever you hear, even if it's from someone as likeable as Neil!
This Is 42 should keep the video up but with the disclaimer that Neil's claims are false.
Neil makes many false claims, not just in the realm of Islamic history. See my list: hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2016/01/fact-checking-neil-degrasse-tyson.html
Considering you (like all other comments) brought up no specific inaccuracies, I'm gonna assume you didn't listen to the video. He brings up all the good things that islam did and muslims like you keep responding with "fuck you neil, islam has done lots of good things". Makes no sense.
Iraq was the only middle eastern country which had open heart surgeries in the eighties. That explains why the US invaded and razed it to the ground. Why does professor Neil failed to mention that?
Thanks to the Arabs
This guy knows nothing about history nor science, yet he claims to be an educated intelligent man
There are a lot of modern Arab Inventors such as Algerian Belkacem Habba who invented 1600 tech inventions SD Card, Flash Disk, Playstations but Media don't talk about them because they are dark brown with no colored eyes.
Just about everything Tyson says in the above video is wrong. It is entertaining to watch Mohammed Hijab's video: Muslim schools Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Tyson's account of president Bush's 9-11 speech is also completely wrong.
Is Belkacem Habba a Muslim?
@@HopDavid Yes
Navigation , algebra , numerical calculus , numbersytem all of it develped in india far before the Arab Goldan age started so 😑 it's is quite possibly they (Arabs) just appreciated the pre thought science ..they had better documentary propoganda done by the arabs .. because if past repeats itself no matter what and if they did discover it they would have had that trait still but not they don't and it vanished which shows they just copied and presented it in a nicer rap/plate to the world to make them think yaaa it was arab golden age when it was not
During the Sasanian Dynasty, which ruled over the Persian Empire from the 3rd to the 7th century CE, there were notable Zoroastrian scholars and scientists who made significant contributions to various fields. While specific information about individual Zoroastrian scientists from that period may be limited, here are some areas of knowledge in which Zoroastrians made advancements:
*_Astronomy:_* Zoroastrians, influenced by their religious beliefs, had a strong interest in astronomy. They developed astronomical observations and calculations, including the compilation of star charts and the study of celestial phenomena. These observations and calculations aided in the development of the Persian calendar, which had a solar foundation.
*_Medicine:_* Zoroastrians in the Sasanian period contributed to the field of medicine. Prominent physicians such as Burzoe and Bakhtishu played key roles in advancing medical knowledge and practices. They translated and compiled Greek medical texts into Persian, thereby preserving and disseminating medical knowledge throughout the empire.
*_Alchemy:_* Zoroastrian scholars in the Sasanian period were involved in the study and practice of alchemy. Alchemy encompassed various disciplines, including the search for the philosopher's stone, the transmutation of metals, and the pursuit of elixirs of immortality. These studies laid the foundation for later developments in chemistry.
*_Philosophy and Theology:_* Zoroastrian scholars engaged in philosophical and theological discussions, exploring concepts related to ethics, cosmology, and metaphysics. They sought to understand the nature of existence, the relationship between good and evil, and the purpose of human life. These philosophical and theological inquiries influenced later Islamic and Persian philosophical traditions.
*_Literature and Poetry:_* Zoroastrian scholars contributed to the literary and poetic traditions of the Sasanian period. They produced works in the Persian language, including epics, religious texts, and lyrical poetry. These literary contributions played a crucial role in the development of Persian literature and had a lasting impact on subsequent Persian literary traditions.
It is important to note that during the Sasanian period, Zoroastrianism was the state religion of the Persian Empire, and many scholars and intellectuals were adherents of this faith. While specific names and details may not be extensively documented and are lost to history after the brutal Islamic conquest of Persia from (633-651 CE) with major Persian libraries and Universities like the "School of learning at Ctesiphon" it's vast libraries and the famous "Academy of Gondishapur" barely survived the destruction by the Arabs and many Middle Persian texts were burned those who survived were later translated into Arabic but the original copy didn't survive,
Zoroastrians undoubtedly played a significant role in the intellectual and scientific advancements of the era.
Y'all really gotta check mathematics in the Vedas to see everything described before anyone started to conceive what mathematics is.
At last. 🙂✊
Just so you know there lived ancient sumerians aka Mesopotamians, Ancient Egyptians who were pioneers in mathematics much before vedas were written (Vedic Period)