Did some one tell this guy how many valuable scientific and academic books Mongols dumbed in Tigris river. That day the colour of the river turned black due to the ink of the millions of books. It was a black day for all humanity not just Muslims
@@hijack69 No, they did not. India became a scientific, economic, and of course, cultural powerhouse under Muslims. They never colonized India. It was never about displacing the local population, and having them subject to systematic racism and exploitation of the resources of _"inferior"_ peoples.
The scholars of the islamic academic golden age, always acknowledged the scholars of the Greeks Persians and Indians, it took years for the scholars to translate the books of the ancients. A collaboration of knowledge and acknowledgement and thanks to their patience and labour we have many advances in the sciences.
@@faizanalam1244 wait what, you Greek, Indian, Persian, Chinese, Roman Babylon Samarian, because that's the works that got translated, they also gave credit to the ancient civilizations, so not sure what you on about
@@rajareddy3104 Go read their works, Muslim scholars even call the numbers taken from India as Indian numerals, so please try your luck somewhere else. Most of the translated works, was destroyed by the Mongols
@@rajareddy3104 That how knowladge work My MahaRaja,humanity always built around Ancient knowladge,Greek to roman to islam to Renaissance to modern era to Space explorer,india to work like that,india got their knowladge from china,persia,arab,greek and many other
@@moosa9850 where is your proof that most of the translated works were destroyed by the Mongols. They gave credit to Indian numerals does that mean that was the norm
Yeah and they always sort of try to prove each other wrong because that's how you get to the ACTUAL TRUTH and not blindly follow something. I love that.
If he dig deeper than he 'll realize almost all muslim land being colonized by the west after the fall of ottomans n lead to the degrading age of muslim world on science exploration - its hard to focus on academia when your resources being controlled by others. He should include the percentage of black people who won noble also in this statistics , hence he'll know what it means
Stop falling back on the colonisation excuse. All manner of countries (not least the Arabs) have built empires and all manner of countries have suffered the consequences. In addition, how about Germany after the war? It was devastated, but within thirty years West Germany was being hailed as an economic miracle, with a commensurate degree of progress in academic and scientific fields.
@@soberman1520 Most jews are in america buddy. They have peace here. Most muslims are all over the world. and Niel is specifically talking about middle eastern muslims
I wonder why he didn't mention how many muslim & arab scientists have been assassinated by mossad (& co) in the last fifty years...that'll give him an explanation to a certain extent, then if he adds how many muslim & arab scientists were assassinated by colonial powers that'll give him an even better explanation...here's an example: *the scientist who invented nuclear chemistry while studying in france refused all offers of french authorities to settle in france, shortly after returning to his hometown in morocco he was killed in a car accident*
@@soberman1520 Controlling the interest-based banks of the formerly Christian European countries for the past few centuries certainly helped the jews in their progress. It's not about open mindedness, it's about who controls the resources. For example, China operates a totalitarian government where criticism and minorities are brutally repressed yet in terms of progress, they are leagues ahead of most.
Baghdad has the biggest university of that Era where scholars come all over the world to share, study and research knowledge. Idk what's left of it now.
@@Brownfamily111 nalanda wasn’t just for spiritual knowledge . It was one of the largest universities in India that imparted knowledge of all subjects including science and students from all over the world came to study. Sadly the books were burned by Turkic invasions
“Mathematics has no connection with the religious sciences, and proves nothing for or against religion; it rests on a foundation of proofs which, once known and understood, cannot be refuted” (Ghazali)
Mathematics tend, however, to produce two bad results. The first is this: Whoever studies this science admires the subtlety and clearness of its proofs. His confidence in philosophy increases, and he thinks that all its departments are capable of the same clearness and solidity of proof as mathematics. But when he hears people speak of the unbelief and impiety of mathematicians, of their professed disregard for the Divine law, which is notorious, it is true that, out of regard for authority, he echoes these accusations, but he says to himself at the same time that, if there was truth in religion, it would not have escaped those who have displayed so much keenness of intellect in the study of mathematics. Next, when he becomes aware of the unbelief and rejection of religion on the part of these learned men, he concludes that to reject religion is reasonable. How many of such men gone astray I have met whose sole argument was that just mentioned. And supposing one puts to them the following objection: "It does not follow that a man who excels in one branch of knowledge excels in all others, nor that he should be equally versed in jurisprudence, theology, and medicine. It is possible to be entirely ignorant of metaphysics, and yet to be an excellent grammarian. There are past masters in every science who are entirely ignorant of other branches of knowledge. The arguments of the ancient philosophers are rigidly demonstrative in mathematics and only conjectural in religious questions. In order to ascertain this one must proceed to a thorough examination of the matter." Supposing, I say, one makes the above objection to these "apes of unbelief," they find it distasteful. Falling a prey to their passions, to a besotted vanity, and the wish to pass for learned men, they persist in maintaining the preeminence of mathematicians in all branches of knowledge. This is a serious evil, and for this reason those who study mathematics should be checked from going too far in their researches. For though far removed as it may be from the things of religion, this study, serving as it does as an introduction to the philosophic systems, casts over religion its malign influence. It is rarely that a man devotes himself to it without robbing himself of his faith and casting off the restraints of religion. The second evil comes from the sincere but ignorant Muslims who thinks the best way to defend religion is by rejecting all the exact sciences. Accusing their professors of being astray, he rejects their theories of the eclipses of the sun and moon, and condemns them in the name of religion. These accusations are carried far and wide, they reach the ears of the philosopher who knows that these theories rest on infallible proofs; far from losing confidence in them, he believes, on the contrary, that Islam has ignorance and the denial of scientific proofs for its basis, and his devotion to philosophy increases with his hatred to religion."
@@BaldTom Very well put. Additionaly, I would like to simply point out the fact that Mathematics is equally ineffective at proving anything for or against ANY religion or 'Harry potter' and 'Game of Thrones' for that matter.
@@ignorasmus You can't disprove something when there is absolutely no observable evidence to suggest that thing exists. You can't disprove that I am god ether. Or that god is a pink jelly bean.
Gazali never said that math or numbers are the work of the devil.. the reason behind collapse of science in the islamic world is a king called Alhasan ibn isaac Altosy.
You could argue that there was a break in the golden age, due to the Mongol invasions. But it returned sometime after the ottoman empires establishment
@@darksith7282 The break in the golden was and still is because of the Islamic religion itself. Rational thought and organized religion just do not go together.
I think you are missing the geo-political situation of most Muslim countries- they are failed post colonial states run by puppet dictatorships.. there was a time when the learning centers of the world were focused in Muslim lands, and knowledge was transferred to the west through primarily translating arabic books to latin from Toledo, which gave birth to thinkers like Copernicus. The sad reality today is if you are a Phd graduate in Egypt today chances are you will likely be driving a Taxi rather than utilizing that doctorate for any meaningful impact on humanity... the problem is political not religious as history demonstrates
@@BeamshipcaptainNothing could be further from the truth; just study islamic civilization -the world pre Islam and post Islam... i.e a transformation from what historians refer to as "the dark ages" to post Islam a period of which ushered in the modern age, transformed to a period of enlightenment, scientific inquiry, discovery and innovation in all fields... the islamic roots of the modern age are all around us from the numbering system we use today, to architecture, medicine, astronomy, computing, hospitals, universities.. unfortunately history is taught with selective amnesia
@@Beamshipcaptain all civilizations rise and fall my friend, they all have their day in the sun so to speak, Islamic golden era was quite fantastic, the first melting pot society incorporating a peaceful cohesive society of people from different religions, races, ethnicity working together.. Islamic civilization fell into decline after well meaning scholars got together and closed the doors to ijtihad, that started the decline, when the sickness set in - imperialists invaded in pursuit of resources (oil, gold, minerals) and trade routes (Suez canal, silk road) and created the countries that exist today in the mess that is the middle east, but the story is not over case in point the arab spring, change is on the horizon...
Why would Neal look at Geo political stuff ? His business is science. And Islam simply didn't produce anything extraordinary since the 12th century onwards. He's spot on about that.
Wow, Al Ghazali didn't simply say that. I don't think Neil read all of his book entirely. Nuclear is scientific breakthrough, but without heart, you got Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The button is pressed by a person. The bomb doesn't have a choice, it's the persons choice. That's how humans behave. They are an unpredictable and violent species with very little logic and magic sky pixies telling them what to do. Nothing I can do about it except observe. :)
What are you talking about? Ghazali was curious about science. He even by himself tried to know how big the Sun was even though his conclusions were wrong this proves his enthusiasm for science.
@@androidphobe9351A debate between Abu Hamid al-Ghazali and the muslim philosopher Averroes about two questions: the size of the universe and the fate of the Sun. al-Ghazali suggested that there is no reason for believing the size of the universe is fixed. Averroes refused this challenge claiming that the universe must have a fixed size otherwise it will corrupt. al-Ghazali suggested that there is no reason for believing that the Sun is eternal and will never degenerate. Averroes rejected this challenge and said that the Sun is part of the upper world and cannot be thought to corrupt.
He was right and also wrong. Muslims didn't stop seeking knowledge because of some dude said everything is the will of ALLAH. Even in 15th 16th century muslims rulers and peoples used to seek knowledge in the subcontinent where there wasnt the chaos or aftermath of crusade. During the golden age muslims read the actual book and there are many times where its been said to seek knowledge. even the prophet himself said to keep seeking knowledge. Muslims are there but most of them are from eastern parts of asia just not middle east which is another misconception. Just like he said one from pakistan. Are only the arabs muslims?? we aren't??? Stereotypes!!! Here are the name of a few muslims who are just from my country whose inventions helped the world. - Abdus Suttar Khan (Material science- invented 40 different alloys some of which are still used today in western jet fighters) - Fazlur Rahman Khan (Structural Engineer- first to invent the tube structural system which is still used for high rise buildings. even the burj khalifa is based on the same concept) apart from these two there are many more just Bangladeshi Muslims who had invented something just they didn't make the part that "they are muslim" loud enough. And before talking about stuffs like this neil should have studied. He is a well known and respected man. I have just given 2 examples from top of my head cause my field of interest is also in those 2 subjects. Now you wonder how many are there from other muslim countries. And nobel prize should never be the benchmark. We all saw what the woman with peace prize did. didn't we? Yes middle easterns aren't currently in the forefront of science cause basically its in chaos since when i was a kid. now i am in mid twenties and things are still the same. How can you expect to seek knowledge when just surviving everyday is a challenge, when you dont know where the next bomb might fall. It even might fall on an educational institution.
@@jirenthegray2904 here is the problem. You guys gonna believe in an instant that those people doing something good were not influenced by their faith but will try to justify that if they aren't doing good or nothing its because of their faith...!!! Just like what neil did in this video. Why don't you people just stay quiet when you don't know close to nothing about a certain group of people and have to act like knows all geniuses. Listen to the experts of that group. He mentioned about a guy about whom even i never knew though i am a muslim but never mentioned Mohammad (PUBH) who told his followers, seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim. I guess that guy is known in middle east which he quoted in the video. But like most of your stereotypes, muslims not equals to middle eastern. they live in larger number in south asia. How many times i have tell the same things. aung san suu kyi, here is a great example of nobel winner. 🤦♂️ And here is some other FACTS in the link. Cause the faith of islam discourage to think freely. 🤦♂️ www.researchgate.net/publication/292970930_SCIENTIFIC_FACTS_IN_QURAN Islam dont need to open up. Muslims from war torn countries need to get up. Those leaders you taliking about of those muslim countries weren't elected by people. Egypt sisi backed by us, iraq-iran war; saddam backed by us, rise of taliban/osama bin laden during afghan-soviet war; backed by guess what us, saudi royal family backed by again us. Irans khameni rose to power when us backed shah was depriving his own people. Most of the problem with middle east summed up. Some govt should stay neutral then talk about other. You gonna involve with someone and support them as long as they support your cause but when they change their mind its their faith which is the problem not the money or weapons or international support you provided, right?? 🙄 Religion is just a scapegoat. The real reason is regional politics. As long as you cant solve that science will never progress no matter what religion, social norms, culture whatever you want to blame it on.
"He mentioned about a guy about whom even i never knew though i am a muslim but never mentioned Mohammad (PUBH) who told his followers, seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim." *Are you talking about al-Ghazuli? To not know about the person responsible for destroying your golden age shows how ignorant of history you actually are, and a reason why Islamic people are the most uneducated, suffer from high illiteracy rates and so forth.* "I guess that guy is known in middle east which he quoted in the video. But like most of your stereotypes, muslims not equals to middle eastern. they live in larger number in south asia. How many times i have tell the same things." *Because south-east asian Muslims is a recent phenomena, and how many times do YOU need to be told. People don't create great things BECAUSE of Islam, they do it because they IGNORE Islam. Understand?* "aung san suu kyi, here is a great example of nobel winner. And here is some other FACTS in the link. Cause the faith of islam discourage to think freely." *1.3 Billion of you and still achieved barely anything for how many Muslims there are and that's a fact! 15 million Jews and they have 150 Nobel Prizes. How come you Muslims can still count the amount of Nobel prizes you've one on one hand?* "Islam dont need to open up. Muslims from war torn countries need to get up. Those leaders you taliking about of those muslim countries weren't elected by people. Egypt sisi backed by us, iraq-iran war; saddam backed by us, rise of taliban/osama bin laden during afghan-soviet war; backed by guess what us, saudi royal family backed by again us. Irans khameni rose to power when us backed shah was depriving his own people. Most of the problem with middle east summed up." *Wrong. Islam is a backwards archaic religion and all of its success came from a time when they were open to western ideas and thinking and that is a proven fact. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you a member of ISIS, because you sound like one of them!? Take responsibility. Stop taking loans from America that you can;t pay back. Stop allowing them to do things in the past like train the Mujahudeen, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES!* "Some govt should stay neutral then talk about other. You gonna involve with someone and support them as long as they support your cause but when they change their mind its their faith which is the problem not the money or weapons or international support you provided, right??" *Again, stop blaming Americas foreign policy for all of your problems! You were fighting and going backwards long before America got there and that's a damn fact, get over it! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES!* "Religion is just a scapegoat. The real reason is regional politics. As long as you cant solve that science will never progress no matter what religion, social norms, culture whatever you want to blame it on." *Islam is a religious and political system, hence why both sides get attacked. So fix your culture, reform from within, shiite and sunni should stop fighting, and look to western ideas to champion them again, then Islam will have peace and can be at the forefront of scientific discovery again.*
@@cracklingsoda Islam is a religion greater than you, my friend. The first word in it is read. Rather, Muslims must follow it completely and do not deduct from it what they want. Islam says to you, “Walk in the land and see what the creation looked like.” Experimental science from astronomy on astrology is the Messenger Muhammad, my friend. You say scholars are not because of Islam and the terrorists because of it.
@@cracklingsoda The Nobel Prize was only given to Europeans, my friend. Until the 20th century, they started giving it to outside Europe. Secondly, the Nobel Prize is not a standard, my friend. When Muslims laughed at Socrates and laughed at his theories and discovered algebra and politicized the numbers that we use today, Europeans sold the forgiveness of the Jews and invaded Muslims in Jerusalem
@A Humanist the issue that I have is not his position on the truth or falsity of Islam, but on his views surrounding the history of the Islamic contribution to science and mathematics. Additionally, the lack of fact checking throughout.
He’s lying this is a clear humiliation for this agnostic “Nobel prize is his measure “ 😂 what a joke who’s here after Mohammed Hijab destroyed him by the permission of Allah
I was shocked when he brought "Al-Ghazali" as some religious fanatic who doesn't value intellect and research..Unfortunately, Neil couldn't save himself the way he wanted to save President Bush. I think he hasn't read anything about Ghazali. Islam, like any other religion, had many extremist scholars, who objected to research and science, but Ghazali wasn't one of them. In Islamic world Ghazali has quite the opposite reputation, as a mystic, philosopher who had profound understanding of Greek philosophy , started philosophical discourse in his time, a theologian who valued logic and talked about living a happy ,contented life.
Correct. Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil. Neil's account of President Bush's 9-11 speech is also false. Bush's actual speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque. The talk is addled nonsense from start to finish.
I agree with everything except the Nobel peace prize part, the nobel prize is less worthy than a trophy in the 3rd grade. Its biased and many horrible people who have done horrible hings have won those.
Horrible people have done horrible things, and won it..that is true. But, there is a difference between Nobel in science and Nobel peace prize. Neal is talking about the ones in science.
@@muhammadbilalawan6182 I think scientists tend to block out the existence of the Nobel Peace Prize so never consider it when talking about Nobel prizes :)
What i have learnt from this video well is that even a scientist cannot free himself from innate prejudice and often adorns his false view with superficial and irrelevant facts.
I wonder why he didn't mention how many muslim & arab scientists have been assassinated by mossad (& co) in the last fifty years...that'll give him an explanation to a certain extent, then if he adds how many muslim & arab scientists were assassinated by colonial powers that'll give him an even better explanation...here's an example: *the scientist who invented nuclear chemistry while studying in france refused all offers of french authorities to settle in france, shortly after returning to his hometown in morocco he was killed in a car accident*
@@HopDavid hello David 👋, I am curious as to why you think he is a pop scientist more than a real scientist. Has he done any real contributions or is he just a talker?
@@abdelaleem4026 He flunked out of his first attempt at a doctorate at U.T. with his advisors telling him he wasn't cut out for astrophysics. And judging by all the stuff he gets wrong, I agree with them. For R. Michael Rich at Columbia he counted nova in the galactic bulge. That was his doctoral dissertation in the early 90s. He is mentioned very late in long lists of authors for the COSMOS review papers in 2007 and 2008. And that's pretty much his peer reviewed papers. I tried to link to some discussions of his C.V. by actual astrophysicists. But the moderators of this RUclips channel are no longer allowing me to post links.
I just lost all the respect and admiration I had for him. This is borderline ridicule! I would expect more research from someone like him. Even the new grad students would ridicule him in a debate on this topic.
He is still a great scientist. I agree its a disappointement but no man is perfect. Recognise how wrong are the god believers, they distort history every breath of their life. He was wrong and he should apologise but he is still a great person and this is one wrong doing compared to all the work he has done
totally agree that he has made great contributions in his field, but this topic is out of his expertise. I'm not sure whether he apologized or not, but he should, and refrain from talking about it.. until he can put actual facts on the table.
Looking into peer reviewed journals and publications are the best way to state if people are contributing to science or not. And one key fact he is missing is most muslims live in the developing nations where getting a job and feeding family is more important due to the hustle lifestyle rather than spending time to do research. Also funding related to research is also very low in these countries also. All the countries that can fund like Dubai are invested in infrastructure because it´s easier to get return on investments.
Neil: Al-Ghazali campus of sciences Al-Ghazali: Learning science, mathematics and medicine is a societal duty and people must learn it Revival of Religious Sciences book, page 38 Neil: So you're calling me a liar?
All was good until he got to Ghazali. The beginning of the decline was NOT Ghazali, it was the Mongol invasion, where this speaker missed the fact that the rivers of Baghdad turned to black because of all the books the Mongols threw in the rivers! Funny how he forgot that.
Iran recovered after Alexander burned their books. Europe recovered despite lots of their knowledge being lost after Alexandria and Rome were conquered. China recovered from book burnings.
@@Wabbelpaddel he never mentioned math as the devils work. He deemed philosophy as incoherent and engaged in one the most spectacular philosophical debates with Ibn Rushd. Please before you speak on something try doing a little bit of research. Otherwise, you just sound dumb.
@@BaldTom Well, he did actually. He said Ghazali codified Islam like Aquinas did for Christianity. Before that each Muslim was interpreting the Koran as he or she saw fit. Another embarrassing fiction.
He writes a ton about how knowledge is bad. Learning takes you away from god and puts you in the hand of the devil - repeated 1,000 times in "revival of religious sciences"
@@Justin-tp1mx Watch Al-Muqaddimah's video on the fall of the Islamic Golden Age. It's impossible that one man's books could've extinguished and entire people's interest in science. Rather it was the invasions and wars that preceded the decline. In the face of war, scientists weren't much useful back then. They couldn't build nuclear weapons and killing drones for the governor like scientists do today. Considering that Islam is not monolithic as let's say the Catholic Church, meaning it doesn't have a higher authority (except for maybe in some Shia groups) which can change the religion just like that. It takes ages of scholarly consensus and getting the people used to certain beliefs, to make them lose faith in science. If you look even at Ibn Taymiyah, arguably the predecessor of the Wahabi/Salafi ideology, he said "Know that it is agreed that the Earth is round-shaped. The orbits are circular as stated in the Qur'an." So even the most conservative and literalist scholars of Islam were leaning towards the belief that natural sciences don't contradict the Religion, what would you expect from Al-Ghazzali whose works are mild and tolerant compared to Ibn Taymiyah's?
@@DarioHaruni in war, scientists are the most useful soldiers, they create new weapons against which the enemy has no defense, the greatest advances in human history came as results of wars
@@frostyab7579 Yes, I know that and the Qur'an orders me to observe the Creation of the Universe. And I'm proud about the scientific achievements of the religious scholars of the Islamic Golden Age. And I am a scientist too.
This gentleman is also skipping the fact that Alfred Nobel built his wealth out of war economy. So, the number Nobel prize wins might not really be the right scale for benchmarking success of nations. Also Enrico Fermi, Emilio Segre, Richard Feynman, James Rainwater are Nobel prize winners due to their contributions to the Manhattan project which caused death of tens of thousands of civilians in a split second. There is more... Henry Kissinger received the Nobel peace prize, but he is the direct cause of 3 million deaths in Vietnam, 600.000 in Cambodia and 500.000 in Malaysia coup, all civilians. We can add Obama to the list who is also a Nobel peace prize who is also the first president in the US history to have war in consecutive two administration periods. Authors like Mark Twain and Tolstoy failed to receive a literature prize while Winston Churchill had one, which is kind of weird. Peter Handke too received a nobel prize although he is supportive of the Srebrenitsa massacre. So there is *bias* my friends and this simply disqualifies Nobel prize to be an absolute reference for assessing success.
Nobel prize might not be the best indicator for the success of an individual or nation. However, there are correlations between nobel prize winners and those (individuals or nations) who are successful (assuming success=greater quality of life). There is no denying that Muslim countries are behind the western countries in terms of human rights and QUALITY OF LIFE. Muslims also tend to put Islam on an untouchable pedestal. This means that if science SEEMS goes against religion, they reject science without questioning the religion. Many don't even try to find an explanation in which science and Islam coincide and therefore they reject science. This stops many Muslims from perusing certain subjects since these subjects may lead to conflicts with their religion and thus this causes an overall smaller number of muslims to win the Nobel prize. Lastly, from what I have seen there very few children want to fulfill their curiosity through research into science and those who want to research into science are frowned upon by Muslim elders. And yes I am a Muslim myself for those wondering, and before any assumptions are made about my background, I wasn't born in the UK and have spent most of my life in Pakistan which is why I am able to comment on Muslim's view on science/education. Since I live in the UK, I am also able to compare Pakistan to the UK.
You do know that Neil is talking about science, right? There are several fields of Nobel prizes. He is talking about science. They are weighty. The peace price is extremely hit and miss, and often more political than anything else. Science is not politics. You either discover something, or you dont.
@@tzimiable facts! also peace price is always a miss in my opinion. Science Nobel prizes usually have an immediate long lasting effect on the world but peace never seems to he any closer
@Greg Kanowitz Tyson hasn't done research or opened a textbook since his dissertation in the early 90s. It is a stretch to call him an astrophysicist. Whatever you want to call him, that doesn't excuse Tyson falsifying history to push a narrative.
It is a stretch to call this pop science celebrity an astrophysicist. He hasn't done research in 30 years. And, judging by all the inaccuracies in his pop science routine, hasn't opened a textbook in that time either.
@@jiwachhetri7317 Much of the video is false. I don't believe Neil was intentionally trying to deceive so I wouldn't call it lying. He was merely addled, in my opinion. For example Tyson's account of Bush's 9-11 speech. Bush's actual speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque. It most certainly was NOT an "attempt to distinguish we from they". See this piece from the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/27/neil-degrasse-tyson-admits-he-botched-bush-quote/ The whole video is full of falsehoods. I can give more examples if you like.
The father of rationalism Averroes (Ibne Rushd) was Muslim. He translated and introduced Aristotle to Europe. His work was later translated to Latin and Hebrew.
HE FORGOT: The Euro & Jewish renaissance of innovations was built on the back of established Muslim sciences, effectively shorn of rightful credit. Impossible without same.
Huge misunderstanding : most of times you need an expert to translate old Arabic books I think his understanding about al-ghazali is very wrong also science wasn’t present in Islam only during 1st half of its 1st century due to wars against it and wars to spread it
“Great indeed is the crime against religion committed by anyone who supposes that Islam is to be championed by the denial of these MATHAMATICAL sciences.'' AL-GHAZL (Book- Deliverance from Error)
@@ibnseena "Sure, you have knowledge more than him" No intellectual person says that. Ever. The reason as to why humanity achieved a lot was never because of comments like these. In the scientific world, scientists often absolutely love it when they get disproven. That means that humanity has learned something new. There's no such thing as "it is impossible that you have more knowledge than him". Look at Beethoven for example, he was deaf but he still produced amazing music, he's still made a huge contribution to humanity with his art, no professional musician has ever told him that he wouldn't be as good as them just because he now has lost his hearing ability. Your ignorance is truly dangerous. In the scientific world there's no such thing as "I know much more than you and therefore you should shut up". Everyone is open to criticize things.
@@red-sv2qf You are absolutely wrong... there are levels for IQ. People are NOT equal in their intellect, feelings,..... You are so naive ad have no depth in your thinking! Hay, you are smarter than Einstein, lol. In any major, including astronomy, physics, math, there are some who are smarter than others... YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF & stop writing nonsense: HOW OLD ARE YOU?
@@ibnseena neil is a physicist, so he should stay on that lane. He has no right to act like his a historian trying to teach world history, in which he does not have the qualification. You would not expect a math teacher to teach history class are you?
@@YoLo-nz2fo It all depends...Some people has multiples skills & intellects. It is absolutely not right to say If you are a doctor then don't talk about history or politics or.....Read the history of the world (including US history - Founding Fathers) & you will understand my statement above....
I can understand Mr. Tyson's frustration regarding the lack of participation by the Muslim people in the field of science. To that I would say, he should look into the historic impact of European colonialism on the world of Islam, and how the Islamic education system, that took centuries to develop, was systematically and methodically disassembled by the colonial powers. We are recovering now, despite the continued western interference in our countries. Despite the American bombs being dropped on our heads, our rightful leaders deposed or murdered and replaced by western puppets, our most sacred beliefs mocked and ridiculed by pseudointellectual showmen of the modern media. Despites all of that and more, we are recovering, and in the coming decades Mr. Tyson will finally start to see those Nobel Prizes trickle in. [edit] Lots of angry comments here. You really have to be a born Muslim to understand their feelings. Allow me to elaborate. Black people are about 1/5th the world population. Number of Nobel Prizes in science? Zero. Why is that Mr. Tyson? How come such a large part of the human population, which is just as intelligent as anyone else, so far behind in scientific research? There are reasons... right? Political reasons, historical reasons, geographic reasons, etc. etc. None of those reasons has ANYTHING to do with the the fact that they are black, does it? Surly that is something you and I agree on, right? But there are ignorant, racist scumbags out there who might say otherwise. They might say that the n**** is just naturally inferior. To me, who was raised on the Islamic principals of equality of all mankind, such a statement is downright disgusting, and only points to the intellectual vacuousness of such an individual. When you, Mr. Tyson, stand there and blithely accuse the "Muslims" of not participating in the scientific development of humanity, disregarding the hardships and horrors my people have had to survive through history (and are still suffering through, all over the world), to many, you may just appear really as a part of the problem.
Islam practiced slavery, whites and blacks and later blacks mostly, officially untill 1920. They conquerred a substantial part of the world since its inception while killing or enslaving the people they conquered or imposed dimmitide on the others. They never repented on what they did untill today, contrary to countries in the west. The nerve you have to complain without choking is appalling.
@@SocratesOnline Dont bother listening to Neil Disgraced. He is a tool, not a real scientist just a science journalist. Using Nobel prize to indicate scientific achievement? lmao what a joke. Nobel prize was just issued recently and Islam is older than that. Nobel is so biasedly influenced by colonialists to suit their agenda. Black people should be ashamed on having a tool suck up to his colonial masters. Slaves have been centuries long before Islam. Islam encourages freeing of slaves. Basically a lot of slaves are from Prisoners of War. At least we have a decency to not kill POW like the Europeans did during their war. Millions died from just world war 2 in Europe, funny guy.
So you mean to say that Saudi Arabia was some big utopia in 650 AD? Last time I checked, the Quran mentioned women are your fields, go visit them and plant your seeds. If you're mature enough, you'll understand the grotesque reference this alludes to. This is the perverted and regressive nature of the Quran. The great muhammad married a 6 year old girl and had sexual relations with her when she was 8-9 years old. He was a mass murdered who killed thousands during 600 ads or so. So, the middle east was no utopia then. Europe systematically destroyed the Indian education system as well, but why is it that Indians are smart today, heading google, microsoft, twitter, IBM or making ISRO, DRDO, IITS for example? Middle East was always a hell hole no matter how much you try to think in your minds that it was some islamic utopia (which it never was). Also, guess what, the 'arabic numerals', were actually taken by arabs traders from India who introduced them in europe. So europeans began to call them arabic numerals. Hardcore potheads then say some delusions about islamic mathematics. If the middle east people were so smart, then why are the busy blowing up bombs, and not working as researchers?
I agree and understand your point but to be fair, he is focusing on the downfall of scientific discovery by Muslims whereas black people really had no major contributions to begin with which is why an A to A comparison is not apt. Also, he is conferring to the point that religious radicalism had a role in that downfall albeit not the sole reason. We can’t deny your point which might have had (I believe) a greater impact on the downfall but we can’t dismiss his point as hate either in a scientific/ educated conversation.
Race and religion are not comparable. You can choose to be a Muslim but you cannot choose to not be born black. You're comparing an ideology with biological traits. And that's what a racist would do to deflect the point he was making.
It's a decent metric. Got any better suggestions? Let's be honest, Arabs and Muslims don't invent/discover anything in math, science, and philosophy anymore. They haven't contributed a fraction of what the West has contributed in these fields for over a 1000 years now.
@@t.d.2016 Neil talks about the small number of prizes earned by the 1.4 billion Muslims alive today. Well, the same is true of the 1.4 billion people living in India. Or the 1.4 billion people living in India. These are populations of comparable size and populations that have enjoyed periods of innovation. In fact the zero and our base ten numbering system comes from India, not the Arabs as Neil falsely claims. Neil claims that a once innovative population would surely have recovered if not Ghazali. His claim is demonstrated false.
Systematic oppression is no new trait of the ⚪️ Man.. they may create false criteria but history can speak for itself. Can’t erase history although they try their hardest to change history.
@@GloHamed And attempting to change history is exactly what Tyson's doing here. Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil. Nor did Islamic innovation collapse in Ghazali's lifetime. Also Tyson's account of Bush's 9-11 speech is completely and utterly false. Bush's actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque. Desh Amila is also helping spread these falsehoods. His channel This Is 42 should be condemned for posting Tyson's invented histories.
@@t.d.2016 The West litterally stole Middle Eastern knowledge and gave themselves the credit. Colonialist attitude. Bagdad used to be the world capital of science. Your arrogance is embarrassing.
- who are a victim to systemic and systematic racism -who are in constant battle to remain alive from their oppressors -who are not given the basic humanitarian right to live and have the right to a proper education. Keep these questions in mind when it comes to comparing one another on the basis of race, ethnic background, and/or religion.
Gains from college education are a lie... look up Nasim Taleb (he showed that countries became rich and innovative before they had mass education). Also look up Bryan Kaplan's the case of against education. What you need are people motivated to endlessly tweak things, and self learning.
systemic racism? of muslims in muslim countries? constant battle to remain alive from oppressors...who run those muslim governments? not given basic rights to have proper education, as mandated by muslim clerics who rule and dictate the laws of the muslim countries? make it make sense.
@@abelnicolaebaritone The truth? You probably don't even know what you are talking about. Just a simple google search will tell you that al-Ghazali have never claimed that math or science was "the work of devil". What he deemed as heresy against Islam was some (and even then not all) of the teachings of some of the Greek philosophers that the islamic philosophers of his time were following. None of those teachings were about math or science either. He also clearly states that just because someone is well informed in one area doesn't mean that they are well informed in every area so one shouldn't take whatever the Greek philosophers said as the absolute truth. In fact despite his contributions, some of Aristoteles' teachings crippled the scientific advancement in Europe. His teachings were part of the reason why the church had almost executed Galileo Galilei
4:56 Neil is either lying here or he's just too lazy to search before he makes this ridiculous claim!! AlGhazali didn't unify the Islamic practice among Muslims, because the Quran does that job and the companions of the Prophet PBUH made sure everyone was well versed in the teachings of Allah SWT! Research before opening mouth could save one's integrity if he has any!
The numeral system came to be known to the court of Baghdad, where mathematicians such as the Persian Al-Khwarizmi, whose book On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals (Arabic: الجمع والتفريق بالحساب الهندي Al-Jam` wal-Tafrīq bil-Ḥisāb al-Hindī) was written about 825 in Arabic, and then the Arab mathematician Al-Kindi, who wrote four volumes, On the Use of the Indian Numerals (Arabic: كتاب في استعمال الأعداد الهندية Kitāb fī Isti`māl al-'A`dād al-Hindīyyah) in about 830.
_Wow very interesting to see that the real knowledge and wisdom we use today are been invented by them the Muslims great video love it_ Yes sounds so simple doesn't it? But there is more than meets the eye and Tyson does not explain. But questions - why did it start? And why did it stop? Stop it did, shortly after 1111AD and after that, there was was nothing after that.
For a guy who is highly regarded as an intellect made little to no effort to research his bold claims. Kids who dont know better would actually believe this liar if they didnt fo further reseach them selves. Shame on you
There is ample evidence to support deGrasse's claims. I suggest you consult R. Reilly's book The Closing of the Muslim Mind, in which theses such as deGrasse's are presented in detail. And don't label someone a 'liar' just because he presents a viewpoint you are uncomfortable with. I've lost count of the number of shrill Muslims in RUclips comments sections who unjustifiably defame others in this way.
4:45 Well you noticed that it's ok but Vanishing entire scientific Legacy is due to that one spacific person is impossible.... Imagine imam ghazali wrote a book how much people get influenced by his work at that time( no Internet, no air transport, no modren ships and no printing system ) ......
Al ghazali didn't call mathematics the work of the devil. In fact there were famous mathematicians during and around his time.. idk what he's on about but he should do much more research. Also..why is noble prize the objective of achievement when its controlled by the westerns? I can ask about how many black people got the Nobel prize, and if it's a low number (it is) that means all black people are not smart enough to earn it? Also keep in mind that the more technology advances the faster you get to the newer technologies. It's accelerated by time until we reach a certain limit. With that said, all the countries in power now will fall sooner or later just like the rest of the empires, countries etc. Have a good day.
Though, I agree with his final statement but the rest of it was just a claim with no proof to back it up. I know he does not like Al Ghazali because Al Ghazali absolutely refuted the idea that things happen "Just because" which was the basis of Western philosophy. All Al Ghazali was trying to say was "The rock falls to the ground when you drop it but, if God wills, the rock can stay floating in the air". So it was not about refuting the systems that run the universe but, rather, about the presence of an intelligent entity behind the systems". Which, by the way, ancient philosophers like Aristotle and Socrates already concluded that there was a unified driving forced behind all of universe and they got to that conclusion through independent research.
8min full of lies We call this in egypt هبد "habd" which means that the person doesn't know what he is talking about and just hits his ass on the keyboard and say what he has written
@@Aro_2002 Of course you don't. You wouldn't wish to be exposed to evidence that doesn't fit your narrative. Anything that contradicts your worldview you unthinkingly condemn as 'lies'. As, I'm sure, does the dimwit who gave your post a 'like'.
@@maxb9315 Dude I already "exposed" myself to everything he said in the video and searched it. I am a college student and I don't have that much time to waste.
I am a Shi'a Muslim and I fully agree Neil. A lot of people like ghazali set Islam and science apart. Even though my Islamic sect fully support science am feeling alienated because we are less than 1% of the population,
Again, not true. Let’s not divide us based on sects. We Muslims, all together want to excel. There are ignorant individuals from every walk of life and unfortunately, sometimes they’re the loudest voices.
It's important to note that there are those who don't want to see a stable world Muslim world with successful scholars...Which helps bring about what Mr. Neil wishes to see. ... Poverty is up. Corruption is up. Foreign intervention is up. Education is down.
Arabs themselves gave credits to Indians who discovered algebra. Why you people still misleading people. And there wasn't any islam at that time. Nor did it has anything to do with arab philosophers and scientists.
A Golden Age born from conquest, and the ancient knowledge of Persia, Greece, Rome, Egypt, can only last so long. ;) Once that knowledge dried up, no more Golden Age.
@magicblanket Actually the caliphate didn't fall by the Mongols and Mongols didn't establish israel . Israel is roughly 50years old organization . But anyway there's another part of the tenet which is you have to take by reasons it means you can't set doing nothing and say "if Allah wells that I will have food today then I will have food today" no you have to work anf Qur'an mentioned several times about the importance of work and knowledge . In fact there's vers in the Qur'an that says literally "go and see how did the creation start" and that idiot says that Islam stopped scientist !
@magicblanket Allah didn't "send" the Mongols. He simply allowed it to happen, just like he allows rape, murder, and everything bad to happen. However, that's not an endorsement of what's being allowed. He has given us the ability to prevent such things from happening.
Iraq was the only middle eastern country which had open heart surgeries in the eighties. That explains why the US invaded and razed it to the ground. Why does professor Neil failed to mention that?
I am a Muslim and I believe God has indeed created the universe and the world as a test before we enter the hereafter, aside from that, I believe it is in our nature and somewhat our obligation to explore the universe. I am very interested in astronomy and at one time wanted to pick an education that would lead me to become a teacher, however life has other plans and sadly I did not follow this path (not due to my religion). I wish more Muslims would actively take part in the course of science and especially astronomy, there's much we can achieve. Science is literally the only tool that'll enable us to permanently stop wars on Earth. Peace to all of you.
5:25 Did Al Ghazali ever claim that #math is "of the devil"? The “al Ghazali” claim is what happens when people don’t read al Ghazali. * He decried the ignorant people who tried to apply their science to ideas not in the purview of that science (imagine trying to solve a math equation by interpretive dance). That extended to theologians getting into science, just as much as scientists getting into theology. In fact, he has a line that reads something like, “ignorant people come out and claim that math must be wrong, because non-Muslims developed it - and that does a disservice to the truth of mathematics and to the stance of religion on truth (which allows for the truth by non-Muslims, as long as it’s a truth about something other than religion - though it could be a religious truth as well, so long as it agreed with Islam).” As far as the “nothing sacrosanct in science” claim, that’s wrong on two counts. First, science has plenty of sacrosanct principles - except they’re called paradigmatic axioms (e.g. physics must assume that the description of the universe and events therein are reducible to a mathematical equation in order to exist as a science… there’s no reason to believe that’s the case. You have to assume it). Second, science has nothing to say about religious (metaphysical) ideas - because they’re in entirely different realms. Therefore, science cannot intrude on the religious realm; but scientists do try - as do theologians, and that’s the problem (as noted above). Tyson, who is a public intellectual, made a series of statements on a topic for which he has absolutely no qualifications. Worse, he neglected even the most basic context of history. For example, he has a great line that after 1100, no new science comes out of Baghdad. Well, it does. But more importantly, 1098 is tart of Crusades, which redirect funding from sciences to war for the next 100 years. And that’s followed by the Mongol destruction of the city, along with the house of wisdom. To blame it on Al Ghazali is like complaining that Einstein did not publish anything new after 1955 - ignoring the fact that he died in 1955. ============ *Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali says: “As for the praiseworthy disciplines such as medicine and mathematics, they are associated with worldly benefit. And that category is divided into those that become a communal obligation and those that are of great merit but are not an obligation… If there are not people who are experts in mathematics within society that it will be a hardship on society and certain aspects of society will suffer from it.” “… This (mathematics) is a praiseworthy discipline; but if somebody will exceed the bounds in it (i.e. use it for corruption and mischief) they should be prevented from studying it.” Commenting on this quote, Dr. Joseph says that Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali did not seek to limit mathematics itself; in fact he said that about cases of abusing any intellectual discipline; that is, when people employ knowledge to bring corruption to themselves or to society. Science After Al-Ghazali didn't flourish?! But did Islamic scholarship really deteriorate because of Al-Ghazali? Dr. Joseph answers that there is simply nothing in the historical record to substantiate this argument. On the contrary, sciences in the Islamic world went on well into the Ottoman Period. Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, who died in 1274, was one of the most important astronomers in history. He wrote 125 works on philosophy and theology, science, mathematics, etc. In addition, there were other prominent contributors to science such as Al-Birjandi, Ali Qushji, Ibn Nafis. They proved that there was no such alleged negative impact of Al-Ghazali on science in Islam. Professor Lumbard is a Muslim Scholar who teaches in a University in Qatar.
During the Sasanian Dynasty, which ruled over the Persian Empire from the 3rd to the 7th century CE, there were notable Zoroastrian scholars and scientists who made significant contributions to various fields. While specific information about individual Zoroastrian scientists from that period may be limited, here are some areas of knowledge in which Zoroastrians made advancements: *_Astronomy:_* Zoroastrians, influenced by their religious beliefs, had a strong interest in astronomy. They developed astronomical observations and calculations, including the compilation of star charts and the study of celestial phenomena. These observations and calculations aided in the development of the Persian calendar, which had a solar foundation. *_Medicine:_* Zoroastrians in the Sasanian period contributed to the field of medicine. Prominent physicians such as Burzoe and Bakhtishu played key roles in advancing medical knowledge and practices. They translated and compiled Greek medical texts into Persian, thereby preserving and disseminating medical knowledge throughout the empire. *_Alchemy:_* Zoroastrian scholars in the Sasanian period were involved in the study and practice of alchemy. Alchemy encompassed various disciplines, including the search for the philosopher's stone, the transmutation of metals, and the pursuit of elixirs of immortality. These studies laid the foundation for later developments in chemistry. *_Philosophy and Theology:_* Zoroastrian scholars engaged in philosophical and theological discussions, exploring concepts related to ethics, cosmology, and metaphysics. They sought to understand the nature of existence, the relationship between good and evil, and the purpose of human life. These philosophical and theological inquiries influenced later Islamic and Persian philosophical traditions. *_Literature and Poetry:_* Zoroastrian scholars contributed to the literary and poetic traditions of the Sasanian period. They produced works in the Persian language, including epics, religious texts, and lyrical poetry. These literary contributions played a crucial role in the development of Persian literature and had a lasting impact on subsequent Persian literary traditions. It is important to note that during the Sasanian period, Zoroastrianism was the state religion of the Persian Empire, and many scholars and intellectuals were adherents of this faith. While specific names and details may not be extensively documented and are lost to history after the brutal Islamic conquest of Persia from (633-651 CE) with major Persian libraries and Universities like the "School of learning at Ctesiphon" it's vast libraries and the famous "Academy of Gondishapur" barely survived the destruction by the Arabs and many Middle Persian texts were burned those who survived were later translated into Arabic but the original copy didn't survive, Zoroastrians undoubtedly played a significant role in the intellectual and scientific advancements of the era.
Please, I dare him to debate Mohammed Hijab. I mean in a video, Hijab literally dissected and exposed each of his slanderous statements. How embarrassing.
It will be insulting to Tyson to even consider engaging in the pugilistic rant fest that Hijab refers to as debate. Fact of matter is after Islam and Muslim behavior was codified and enforced in the Caliphates, scientific progress in the Islamic world took a terrible beating from which they are still suffering. Muslims once openly studied Greek, Persian and Indian texts of all kind (ex: Arabic numerals and 0 comes from Aryabhatta) but was stopped by the religious leaders, who are supposed to know Islam best, were afraid of Muslims developing critical and rational thinking that would make them harder to brainwash and control. That’s the irrevocable truth.
@@jacksparrow7474 Isn't the Astrolabe practically the first computer in the world? Isn't the Qumra technically the first lens in the world. These people are haters and never want to acknowledge a history not written by the victors.
Well for one thing the Nobel prize was only awarded after 1901 when the West is in middle of its Industrial age and has always had a Eurocentric and Westerncentric bias ( understandably being a Western-made award) and Jews even before the 20th century already had long established populations in Europe which compounded even more when a lot immigrated to the states after WW2. Meanwhile Muslims during the time were just recovering from decolonisation from the Ottomans while dealing with new European colonisers in the MENA, South Asia and Asia Pacific regions which obviously still leave a resounding effect to this day with all political and economical baggage that follows. Trying to secure scientific research was the least of their worries. So using the Nobel prize awards as a benchmark is like comparing kids who have trained for a marathon for months in advance and the kid who broke his leg, got admitted to the hospital and still recovering not even knowing there was a school marathon to begin with. And blaming the regression of the Middle East entirely on Islam is pretty unfair. Look at Latinos, sub Saharan Africans, countries like China and India. Single digit Nobel prizes despite hundreds of millions even billions in population. They’re not Muslims either. Economics and (I hate to admit it) politics have a much muuuuuch bigger influence on the scientific innovation of a nation. Honestly, I don’t mind who’s carrying the torch of innovation, Americans, Europeans, Arabs, East Asians as long as the torch is lit, I’m happy for the human race. We don’t have to turn into a death match and discriminate other people. We should always share and help nurture other developing nations or at least those who are willing to learn.
@@FF-ch9nrBy 1910 scientific knowledge was out there in the public domain for other cultures to utilise and contribute to if they wished. The Muslim world proved decidedly laggardly in so doing (to say the least). Political/economic setbacks, which you place stress on, is a feeble rationale for excusing poor Muslim scientific performance. Other cultures get over similar and more extreme adversities perfectly well and turn in competent scientific/technological performances. Germany, for instance, endured defeat in two world wars in quick succession, yet by the 1970s West Germany was hailed as an economic miracle, with all the scientific/ technological progress implied in such an accolade. South Korea provides another example of a war-devastated country rapidly finding its economic and scientific feet. These cultures, you'll note, are celebrated for their work ethics (as is that of the Jews). The Muslim world is not. I rest my case
@@maxb9315 aha, notice how all the example countries you listed are in some form or another in politically good terms with the West? Would you think Germany have been as great a nation as it is today had it sided with the Eastern Bloc instead? Or would South Korea have that great of a rebound had they not split and remained with the soviets? Face it, the ripples of the industrial revolution and Western colonialism is still felt to this day, and it’s undeniable that it gave the west a monumental leap forward over any other nation, I mean there’s a reason the phenomenon is called “the great divergence”. It may not look like it , with its liberal, progressive and individualistic values but, all other nations basically have to kowtow to the Western mafia or else. (Although compared to the other current hegemonies, they’re the lesser evil). And okay let’s for the sake of argument say somehow by 1910, decades before the invention of the internet like you said all scientific research has been made publicly available. How would some kid halfway across the world even gain access to it without living in a country where the people ruling over it (be it politicians, monarchy, financial oligarch) have strong ties to the West to establish and apply said advancements back in their home country? Aaaanddd even if they did have access. How would they even fund research? Remember we’re living in an age where you can’t just have a few rudimentary alchemist-esque test tubes in a lab, and voila, you can whip up a new chemical element. Post industrial era, to further innovate science and technology you need millions, even billions of dollars to fund research to reiterate and prove a theory. You know what folks like Einstein, Newton, Turing, Ibn Sina, Aristotle and Zu Chongzhi all have in common? They all lived in a time where their respective nations were economically rich and politically stable. All these guys had vastly different faiths but they managed. Can you imagine if someone like Newton was born during the black death or maybe he was German instead and born a few decades earlier during the Thirty Years War? Do you think he’d get the funding and support he needed? And it’s a shame, post Ottoman collapse, Islamic nations were on the cusp of getting back on their feet and naturally industrialising, maybe even secularising. I’m gonna sound like a broken record but surprise surprise, the West kept beating them while they were down with policies and decisions that absolutely did not favour progressives and instead sowed the seed for Islamic extremism. You’ve got France with the Crimeaux decree which basically made Muslims of North Africa second class citizens in their own countries and gave Jews special privileges (which is why France in particular has such a volatile relationship with NA Muslims to this day). UK, with the Balfour declaration in Palestine, splitting of India and Africa causing Muslim communities in Middle East, South Asia and Africa at odds with other faith groups that they lived harmoniously with, for hundreds of years prior to colonisation. The US and UK with Operation Ajax, where they attempted to replace a democratically elected ruler in Persia with a puppet monarchy to secure the petrodollar which caused the 1979 Iranian revolution causing the region to fall to anti-western sentiments and extremism (this one hurts the most because they really were on the cusp of secularisation in the 70s). And the numerous hi jinx caused by the US in Syria and Iraq in the years that followed to this day. Im not saying these nations are free of blame. But can you completely only blame them for behaving the way they are today? It’s like a kid being constantly bullied and then everyone acts surprised they grow up to be so wrapped up in hate. And what’s worse the actual Islamic allies the west does make and prop up are all these gulf oil-rich absolute monarchy slimebags who want all the power to themselves so they help finance and spread conflict in neighbouring countries and just so happen to be the Muslims who adhere to Wahhabism which is the most fundamental and least progressive school of Islam and political governance, akin to giving power and wealth to an Amish empire lol. But I get it, oil is oil. And your last point on how _cultures_ like the Jews are able bounce back through sheer work ethic. Okay, let’s ignore the amount of support the West has given Israel since its inception till today, and let’s say the Ashkenazi Jewish community didn’t migrate to the states after WW2 maybe somewhere less economically and militarily powerful. I think they’d still do well, maybe not nearly as well as today but sure still pretty good. But man, I can name tons of non Islamic countries like Mexico, Greece, Russia, India with really long work hours and overly competitive workforce but still the quality of living, HDI and scientific advancements pale in comparison to the West and Far East. Meanwhile Nordic countries with some of the shortest work hours globally are able to get by swimmingly with political stability and quality of living that is superior to North America and West Europe. It’s like you said, _culture_ is the key word here, not faith or race. The culture of a group of people influences the political governance and economical structure, hard work alone isn’t going to get you to the top. In a very capitalistic and technological world, a culture that has thrived traditionally on say, agriculture isn’t going to be top dog. And it’s pretty downright disingenuous to say Muslims are downright not hardworking. If they weren’t, we wouldn’t have empires like the Abbasid, Ummayad, Ottoman and Andalusian Spain or event the golden age Neil was talking about right here. It’s downright dumb to generalise all Muslims as a single hive mind. Muslims make up a quarter of the population and is the most culturally diverse faith group out there. Calling them lazy is like calling people from across the globe lazy. But I’m optimistic. Iranian people are historically hardworking and a creative bunch ( evident in how they keep reviving as an empire under a different name despite being defeated by numerous other empires throughout history) and they kept a fairly stable economy with moderate technological progress despite being hit with the gajillionth sanction by the US or having their nuclear scientists and generals assassinated with drones. If that doesn’t show resilience, I don’t know what does. I feel like if the West actually tried to establish reasonable diplomatic relations with them, they can heal past wounds and embrace secularism, shift their efforts from being enemies of the West and reach its potential how it did during the Islamic golden age. Other more progressive Islamic nations like Malaysia and UAE are doing pretty well so far in scientific advancement and coincidently these countries are on good terms with the West. So we may be in a dark age now but I’m sure someday Islamic nations can come around and free themselves from fundamentalist institutions. if you didn’t read any of that it’s ok,I basically disagreed with you. Islamic nations are behind today mostly because of political and economical reasons. The countries you mentioned all have strong positive relations to the West which gives them a tremendous advantage in rebuilding and advancement efforts as opposed to Middle East and North African nations where the West has absolutely bungled the region these past 100 years or so. If we can find a way to improve relations and heal past wounds with all Islamic nations instead of demonising or making an enemy out of a quarter of the human population and destabilising their countries, especially now since oil isn’t that big of priority anymore, we can tap into that well of a huge missed opportunity these past few centuries, it’s gonna benefit all humankind.
@@FF-ch9nr It's precisely the fact that the West initiated industrialisation that is testament to its superior scientific and technological drive. Sorry, but I get a little tired of the Muslim world blaming the West for its troubles and failure to progress. The colonial period was over decades ago but what scientific/technological progress is seen in the Muslim world today is almost invariably down to the West anyway, e.g. the shiny metropolises of the Gulf States, which are the result of the Arabs calling in, and paying for, Western expertise when it came to light that they were sitting on a load of oil. They lacked the knowledge to do such things themselves as their culture had been stagnant for so long. I think you overstate your Western imperialist point, i.e its allegedly restrictive nature regarding scientific enterprise on the part of the colonised, and in any event I see little indication that even in the absence of imperialism Muslim cultures would have embraced scientific enterprise .In addition it is no coincidence that in the post-colonial world those African/Asian countries who have fared best economically and technologically are those formerly governed by the Brits and other Western powers. Look at the modern skyline of Lagos, for example. Would it be like that if Nigeria (partly Muslim, of course) had had no contact with Western culture? I'll give you your point about the Iranians. I think they are more enterprising than many other Muslim peoples, not least the idle, self-satisfied Arabs of the Gulf, who often display an ill- founded superiority complex ( I've had the misfortune of teaching Arab students so I know what I'm talking about). I'm only left to wonder what Iran might have become had it not been subjected to Islam.
@@maxb9315 regarding the infrastructure in gulf states, yes that’s where I agree. Like I said the west made the worst possible Islamic allies with the gulf monarchies essentially propping up citizens who do not feel the need to innovate due to security from fossil fuels. I’ve seen inklings of advancement in UAE, and whether the gulf and especially Saudi’s promise to create a nation less reliant on oil and a deeper focus is STEM in the coming decades is yet to be seen. I’m just saying the West could’ve made Islamic allies with regions that were historically important to civilisation as a whole, like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, which were the seats of great empires post or pre islam, I mean the House of wisdom, a major Abbasid caliphate academic institution that expanded Greek and Indian knowledge was in Baghdad and St.Augustine, the guy who basically shaped Early Western Christian Theology was from Algeria for crying out loud. Instead they’re allies with these ultra-conservative desert states that had basically a nomadic culture all their life prior to the discovery of oil. I Don’t think I’m overstating the impact of Western imperialism, sure colonialism ended long ago but and military campaigns are still going on regularly. Pretty much all the countries invaded by US and NATO forces these past few decades have been struggling to get back on their feet, made even worse by the fact that the ones in the Middle East are still ongoing. I mean sure I hate Is lamic terrorism as much as the next guy and I’m not trying to downplay the lives on innocent people but the amount of civilians dying from Is1amic terrorism in the West is minuscule compared to civilian deaths in the campaigns. And sure Nigeria is doing pretty good for itself, but what about the other 50 plus countries created by Europe through the Scramble for Africa? How are they doing? Heck, how is Nigeria doing in the rural areas? You’re telling me colonialism was primarily benevolent endeavour? Remember the Rwandan genocide, how two ethic groups who have been living together for god knows how long up until the Europeans came and caused an artificial class and labour separation that devolved into mass slaughter? Remember King Leopold and how vicious he was to the Congo people? Remember freakin’ apartheid in South Africa? Sure we can pull up examples of how advancement was brought upon a nation through colonialism but a lot of suffering came along with it. An example of a good relationship between a colony and a colonisers off the top of my head is Malaysia and UK, who helped them fight against Japanese occupation, communist insurgency and achieve peaceful diplomatic independence and helped them achieve a fairly stable and strong economy today (not without its fair share of problems such as ethnic tensions caused by policies from the British, mind you). But they’re an outlier, more often than not the relations between the two types of nations is really really rocky and often end in a war for independence (or worse). These are much easier to point out, Indonesia and the Dutch, Philippines and Spain, UK and India, Mexico and Spain, France and Haiti, France and Algeria, heck most of africa descended into conflict one way or another. These colonies ended up not as developed. Some nations that weren’t even colonised (but still faced European influence) managed to develop and industrialise quite fine through diplomatic strategies, namely Thailand and Iran managing to achieve a human development index similar to that of Malaysia. I’m just saying it’s kind of dumb and cruel to justify colonialism with technological advancement when you can achieve similar results without the need of subjugating a nation to do your bidding, you know more of a mentor and student-like role and not a master and slave. Instead of the parasitic nature of colonialism we could’ve helped developing nations while gaining rare resources and wealth through more symbiotic and peaceful commerce approaches, like today. Idk I guess you live and you learn?? But something tells me those old colonisers didn’t need to learn it the hard way. And about Iran, without Islam, it probably would’ve turn out the same way it did today. I mean the attempted coup to maintain the petrodollar was strictly a political and economical motive in nature. It doesn’t matter what or how many Gods the Iranians believed in, they would’ve still been (rightfully) pissed at the West and the revolution would still happen. Those Iranian college kids would’ve still did that hostage thing with the diplomats most likely. They used religion to establish an anti-western, strictly Persian identity. Just replace Islam with Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism as much I know about it is very similar to the Abrahamic faiths, some historians believed it to even influence early Jews. Maybe I guess they’re clothing would’ve been more colourful? Lol
According to a book by Bernard Lewis, 'What went wrong ', 'For centuries the world of Islam was the forefront of human achievement-the foremost military and economic power in the world, the leader in the arts and science of civilization..'
Only the number zero is from india. The decimal system and the shapes of the numbers today were made by a Muslim scientist called "Al-Khawarizmi" he also made algebra and algorithms.
@@pbrbhakta Also, Al-Khawarizmi was not Arab he was from Uzbekistan but his work was written in arabic because that was the language of science at that time.
Just so you know there lived ancient sumerians aka Mesopotamians, Ancient Egyptians who were pioneers in mathematics much before vedas were written (Vedic Period)
Neil feels bad for Bush for saying things not true about the naming of the stars. I feel bad for Neil for saying incorrect things about Ghazali. You are blaming the wrong guy.
Neil is also saying incorrect things about Bush. His actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion, delivered from a mosque. Turns out Tyson confused Bush's eulogy for the Space Shuttle Columbia astronauts with his 9-11 speech. So much of what this man says is addled and wrong.
There are a lot of modern Arab Inventors such as Algerian Belkacem Habba who invented 1600 tech inventions SD Card, Flash Disk, Playstations but Media don't talk about them because they are dark brown with no colored eyes.
Just about everything Tyson says in the above video is wrong. It is entertaining to watch Mohammed Hijab's video: Muslim schools Neil deGrasse Tyson. Tyson's account of president Bush's 9-11 speech is also completely wrong. Is Belkacem Habba a Muslim?
As an arab and someone who entered this field I can tell you this, it is not about not venturing into the scientific field but it is the fear of repercussion from others. We did have many discoveries but it was never really ours over the past 11 years I have been in this field, if we did discover something(s) usually someone else takes it away from us through "Legal" means. Simply I am not here to complain, if it benefits others we all share the pleasure of success in the end. Last point I would like to share, our resources are close to nil no matter how "rich" we are as no one is willing to allow us to borrow research material unless we are in their own research centres.
As-salamu alaykum from America. I’m sorry that happens. Humans are bad like that sometimes. I don’t have an answer. But I thank you for your contributions brother. Be well.
I used to look up to this guy once but now seeing how he sees Muslims is just absolutely poor and kinda sad seeing someone successful like him looking at Muslims like this
He's not wrong though. You just have hurt feelings because you can't handle the truth... "From the eighth to the fifteenth centuries, the Islamic civilization was the center of global progress. In contrast, no one can seriously contest today that the Muslim world is in a state that could only with kindness be called stagnation. It is militarily and economically weak, scientifically comatose, technologically living off infusions from the West, and politically plagued by tyrannies. Many in both the West and within the Muslim world have come to ask whether Islam is compatible with modern ideas. In this paper we shall examine the sources of the apparent conflict between Islam and the rule of law, democracy, and the rights of women. We shall argue that there are basic universal values shared by the modern West and the scriptural Islam and that the perceived conflict of civilizations is due to the degree to which both most Westerners and most Muslims have entangled evolved cultural notions with their basic values systems. We shall propose that that the resolution of these issues requires an unflinching commitment to the application of critical thought to questions of religion and global policy in order to disentangle cultural notions from fundamentals. Finally, we shall outline the ground rules consistent with both Islamic teachings and Western liberalism under which the constructive interactions between the modern West and the Muslim East may flourish allowing both to progress peacefully while maintaining their cultural integrity. In addition to a dialog between civilizations, an honest dialogue within civilizations is required." www.minaret.org/gd.pdf
@@jirenthegray2904 What do you mean I have hurt feelings he is basically saying that our religion is dumb and had ruined everything, we have our own beliefs and we have our own rituals and history and the fact that you people can't respect that or see it in a biased view is just disgusting. How would you feel if I told you that your race has ruined everything and lost connection to the modern world, who wouldn't feel hurt about that?
@@user-xm5le5ok2r But the way he said it was not only hurtful, it was insulting. If you want to speak the truth you don't start with something negative, he started with the 9/11 attack, if you were a student and I was to teach you about the history of Germany and I started with World War 2, would that bring to you (a non-german student) a good image of Germany? No, just like that he is explaining or starting the golden age of Islam in a bad way and that is not it, in his "statistics" he made it look like Muslims despite being large dont have that many "Nobel-price winner" which in about itself sounds wrong to compare two cultures based on something completely different but anyway by his logic there are 15 million Jews and 25% of them won the Nobel price and compare that to Muslims, who are 1.4B in the world and only 0.5% won the Nobel Price but if you were to look at how many number of people won the Nobel Price then you will get a different and accurate answer, 25% of Jews won the Nobel Price so that is 3,750,000 Jews and if you look at Muslims that is 7 million Muslims who have won the Nobel price so if you were to look at his logic Muslims are still on top in the science category or at least on top of the Jews in this category which either means that he was trying to bring us a bad image of Muslims or was looking at it in a wrong way, and also some of his information is vague regardless he could've made this look so much better and prove his point in an understandable and in a non-provoking way, but he didn't.
Afraz Mohammed First of all dude, you missed the points of what he was trying to state: 1. Our President after 9/11 made a mistake about the God who Muslims, Christians, and Jews serve. We all serve the same God, but a different name. 2. Islamic leaders in the 11th and 12th were once the lead in astrology, algebra, mathematics, medicine, and engineering. Many of the stars in space have Islamic names. 3. Hamid-Al Ghazah a Muslim scholar brought “a change” to that Golden Age. He banned the manipulation and study of numbers, which lead to higher learning and critical thinking, he said it was evil. Therefore, the Golden Age of advanced learning ended in Islam. He wasn’t putting down Islam. He was just making mention to the change that happened in history. Neil even mention how a period in history were St. Augustine a Christian leader “introduced an idea and belief” to Christian followers that had nothing to do with God, resulting in many people being murderer. 4. It’s ironic with a large population of Islamic followers, to this day you don’t have many Muslims receiving the Nobel prize. Why? Because of an erroneous belief about technological advancements implemented by an Islamic leader. It affected the contributions of Muslims in scientific advancements in our world in many ways. In conclusion, Neil was not putting down or degrading Islam. He was making it clear that leaders can enforce a belief in any group that results in a major loss for many generations. Just think about this, what advancements for humanity have been taken to the grave of many followers of Islam who have lowered their thinking to this belief. Neil was making a point how he hurts what society has missed out on from the contributions of what could had been if this belief had not been enforced in Islam. “Dude, get the chip off your shoulders and see and hear what Neil was really saying.” I will say this myself: Leaders throughout history from all religions have implemented laws and beliefs that have nothing to do with God.
Well. To be fair, its the environment shape the people around them most of the case. Back then during the Golden Age of Islam. I doubt there is other civilization can top them at that time (based on history). While Europe having the Dark Age because of 'Faith'. I would say Golden Age of Islam because of 'Faith' as well. But i not doubt that other civilization might contributed to the Golden Age as well for example greek as there were a lot of books that were translated to Arabic just so they can learn it. It shows that those guy during that time really embrace the word of 'knowledge is power'. The fall of Islam Age started by the fall of Uthmaniyah in Turkey imo. And every fall of empire, started by their leaders. And just a thoughts, I bet if Noble Prize started way before century, those 'award' might be topped by muslim/middle east and greek as Europe hardly has anything prior to renaissance.
@Abraham Gibran The golden age scholars pushed rational thinking out of faith in Allah. Just because you are religious and faithful doesn't mean rational thinkin g eludes you Empiricism and faith are in two separate realms. There is no faith within empiricism itself and there is no empiricism within faith. HOWEVER, you can engage in empiricism because of faith, which is what the medieval Muslim polymaths and scientists did. The Quran urged us to study the universe and all within it.
Well, Dr. Tyson is an entertaining public speaker but sadly not all of his claims are not based on facts. He speaks half truths which gives a very distorted picture. Blindly following the common narrative, he oversimplified things. There are so many things that are inaccurate and misleading in this 8 min lecture. He is blindly repeating the claims of the classical narrative without fact checking and without bothering to read Ghazali’s Tahafut, which is available in full English translation along with original Arabic. It is not possible to list everything in a comment but consider a few points and facts. Where does Imam Ghazali say “mathematics is the work of the devil”??? On the very contrary Ghazali says there is no sense in denying logic, mathematics, geometry and mathematical sciences like astronomy (page 11 of Tahafut translation). He also says it is foolish to oppose mathematical facts in the name of defending religion. He makes a clear distinction between mathematical facts and philosophical ideas. Dr. Tyson, did you actually read Tahafut? Full English translation is available along with original Arabic. Do you know Imam Ghazali’s purpose for writing that book? Do you know his methodology? Do you know that out of 20 specific doctrines for which Imam Ghazali argues philosophers failed to establish their case, modern cosmology has definite answers for the first two questions? Do you know that modern cosmology proved Imam Ghazali was right and philosophers were wrong? Please check this out. You will be amused. Golden age of Islam was a much longer period that lasted into 15th-16th centuries. For example, Islamic scholars such as al-Tusi (1201-1274) and Ibn Shatir (1304-1375) whose works were directly used by Copernicus (1473-1543) came well after Imam Ghazali and Mongol invasion of Baghdad. Do you know about the connections between Islamic scholars and Copernicus that were discovered by modern researchers in History of Science that were discovered in 1950s and 1970s? Do you know that the golden age of many scientific disciplines in the Islamic World was after the 13th century? For example, Miftah al-Hisab (Key to Arithmetic), one of the most important math books of the Islamic Civilization, was written in the 15th century by the brilliant mathematician al-Kashi? Yes, we can still criticize Imam Ghazali but let’s do that in a more fair way, not such a superficial way that is not based on facts. No, Muslim scholars did not discover 0, nor did they “fully exploited discovery of zero”. [He says this in another similar lecture] By the way “Arabic numerals” are not really Arabic. They originated from India. Muslim scholars always called them Indian numerals. Do you know that religion played a key role in the remarkable rise of sciences in the Islamic World? Do you know that many of the medieval Islamic scientists were authorities in both religious knowledge and scientific disciplines? Do you know that the Muta’zila doctrine which was supposedly responsible for starting scientific inquiry in the Islamic World led to the Mihna period (833-847) which was anti-intellectual. I highly recommend that you read experts like G. Saliba, D. King, W. Hartner, E. Kennedy, N. Swerdlow, O. Neugebauer. Check out the materials on this page (digital.kenyon.edu/mathislamds/) that are based on primary source research.
so he basically downgraded the viewpoint of white colonial wars on the muslims and destruction of islamic libraries by the mongols and went with his biased viewpoint, further claiming that there's barely any muslim who won the noble prize. May I ask how many black people have won the noble prize?
@@hui975 well they are many muslim scientist in rnd. Its just they are not sensationalise like this guy. Also using a noble prize measurement are quite laughable really. Why dont he include the statistic of black people noble prize, chinese, indian when the latter 2 also have 1+ billion people too. Face it, noble prize is just a tool to feed western white man ego..
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Did some one tell this guy how many valuable scientific and academic books Mongols dumbed in Tigris river. That day the colour of the river turned black due to the ink of the millions of books. It was a black day for all humanity not just Muslims
i agree with you
And they call themselves intellectuals and they actually destroy science
@@ryanr7776 Mongols were Asians not Europeans. Also when Muslim rulers conquered the Indian subcontinent, they did the same thing
So blame the Mongols?
Despite the Mongols wrecking havoc all the way to the western sea.
@@hijack69 No, they did not. India became a scientific, economic, and of course, cultural powerhouse under Muslims. They never colonized India. It was never about displacing the local population, and having them subject to systematic racism and exploitation of the resources of _"inferior"_ peoples.
Scientific knowledge is never "lost". Unless you live in Arab lands.
The scholars of the islamic academic golden age, always acknowledged the scholars of the Greeks Persians and Indians, it took years for the scholars to translate the books of the ancients. A collaboration of knowledge and acknowledgement and thanks to their patience and labour we have many advances in the sciences.
@@faizanalam1244 wait what, you Greek, Indian, Persian, Chinese, Roman Babylon Samarian, because that's the works that got translated, they also gave credit to the ancient civilizations, so not sure what you on about
You mean. Islam scholars copied from Greeks and Indians and claimed that it's theirs... Acknowledging is far different than that
@@rajareddy3104 Go read their works, Muslim scholars even call the numbers taken from India as Indian numerals, so please try your luck somewhere else. Most of the translated works, was destroyed by the Mongols
@@rajareddy3104 That how knowladge work My MahaRaja,humanity always built around Ancient knowladge,Greek to roman to islam to Renaissance to modern era to Space explorer,india to work like that,india got their knowladge from china,persia,arab,greek and many other
@@moosa9850 where is your proof that most of the translated works were destroyed by the Mongols. They gave credit to Indian numerals does that mean that was the norm
This one thing I love about Science.
It builds upon the work of others. A collective effort of humanity.
Yeah and they always sort of try to prove each other wrong because that's how you get to the ACTUAL TRUTH and not blindly follow something. I love that.
Then came Nasionalisme
Right or wrong is my country
science is giving names to patterns we observe in nature
Yes everything is will of Allah, but in Islam we are suppose to also figure out why that , how is that , how to make things better, etc
Unfortunately white supremacists will desagree with you, because they think everything was invented by their so called civilization....
If he dig deeper than he 'll realize almost all muslim land being colonized by the west after the fall of ottomans n lead to the degrading age of muslim world on science exploration - its hard to focus on academia when your resources being controlled by others. He should include the percentage of black people who won noble also in this statistics , hence he'll know what it means
Jews have no state for 2000 years but they are still in progress so His problem is not that but open mindedness
Stop falling back on the colonisation excuse. All manner of countries (not least the Arabs) have built empires and all manner of countries have suffered the consequences. In addition, how about Germany after the war? It was devastated, but within thirty years West Germany was being hailed as an economic miracle, with a commensurate degree of progress in academic and scientific fields.
@@soberman1520 Most jews are in america buddy. They have peace here. Most muslims are all over the world. and Niel is specifically talking about middle eastern muslims
I wonder why he didn't mention how many muslim & arab scientists have been assassinated by mossad (& co) in the last fifty years...that'll give him an explanation to a certain extent, then if he adds how many muslim & arab scientists were assassinated by colonial powers that'll give him an even better explanation...here's an example: *the scientist who invented nuclear chemistry while studying in france refused all offers of french authorities to settle in france, shortly after returning to his hometown in morocco he was killed in a car accident*
@@soberman1520 Controlling the interest-based banks of the formerly Christian European countries for the past few centuries certainly helped the jews in their progress. It's not about open mindedness, it's about who controls the resources. For example, China operates a totalitarian government where criticism and minorities are brutally repressed yet in terms of progress, they are leagues ahead of most.
Baghdad has the biggest university of that Era where scholars come all over the world to share, study and research knowledge. Idk what's left of it now.
No it wasn't nalanda University of India was the greatest University
@@25fpslagger81 Nalanda spiritual knowledge deti thi science ki baat kha se aa gayi kyon history Ko galat tareeke se batate ho
@@Brownfamily111 nalanda wasn’t just for spiritual knowledge . It was one of the largest universities in India that imparted knowledge of all subjects including science and students from all over the world came to study. Sadly the books were burned by Turkic invasions
@@varunendraverma6638 Plzz 🙏
Ypu guys are the reason why the world is in shit.
Stfu and try to learn from this vid.
“Mathematics has no connection with the religious sciences, and proves nothing for or against religion; it rests on a foundation of proofs which, once known and understood, cannot be refuted” (Ghazali)
Mathematics tend, however, to produce two bad results. The first is this: Whoever studies this science admires the subtlety and clearness of its proofs. His confidence in philosophy increases, and he thinks that all its departments are capable of the same clearness and solidity of proof as mathematics. But when he hears people speak of the unbelief and impiety of mathematicians, of their professed disregard for the Divine law, which is notorious, it is true that, out of regard for authority, he echoes these accusations, but he says to himself at the same time that, if there was truth in religion, it would not have escaped those who have displayed so much keenness of intellect in the study of mathematics.
Next, when he becomes aware of the unbelief and rejection of religion on the part of these learned men, he concludes that to reject religion is reasonable. How many of such men gone astray I have met whose sole argument was that just mentioned. And supposing one puts to them the following objection: "It does not follow that a man who excels in one branch of knowledge excels in all others, nor that he should be equally versed in jurisprudence, theology, and medicine. It is possible to be entirely ignorant of metaphysics, and yet to be an excellent grammarian. There are past masters in every science who are entirely ignorant of other branches of knowledge. The arguments of the ancient philosophers are rigidly demonstrative in mathematics and only conjectural in religious questions. In order to ascertain this one must proceed to a thorough examination of the matter." Supposing, I say, one makes the above objection to these "apes of unbelief," they find it distasteful. Falling a prey to their passions, to a besotted vanity, and the wish to pass for learned men, they persist in maintaining the preeminence of mathematicians in all branches of knowledge. This is a serious evil, and for this reason those who study mathematics should be checked from going too far in their researches. For though far removed as it may be from the things of religion, this study, serving as it does as an introduction to the philosophic systems, casts over religion its malign influence. It is rarely that a man devotes himself to it without robbing himself of his faith and casting off the restraints of religion.
The second evil comes from the sincere but ignorant Muslims who thinks the best way to defend religion is by rejecting all the exact sciences. Accusing their professors of being astray, he rejects their theories of the eclipses of the sun and moon, and condemns them in the name of religion. These accusations are carried far and wide, they reach the ears of the philosopher who knows that these theories rest on infallible proofs; far from losing confidence in them, he believes, on the contrary, that Islam has ignorance and the denial of scientific proofs for its basis, and his devotion to philosophy increases with his hatred to religion."
@@BaldTom Very well put.
Additionaly, I would like to simply point out the fact that Mathematics is equally ineffective at proving anything for or against ANY religion or 'Harry potter' and 'Game of Thrones' for that matter.
It was a quote from Ghazali. I think it was actually quite silly
But you are right, it’s impossible for math or science to disprove something of which there is absolutely no evidence for.
@@ignorasmus You can't disprove something when there is absolutely no observable evidence to suggest that thing exists.
You can't disprove that I am god ether. Or that god is a pink jelly bean.
Gazali never said that math or numbers are the work of the devil.. the reason behind collapse of science in the islamic world is a king called Alhasan ibn isaac Altosy.
That's stretching it a little bit.. It's more complex than any single king can do especially in those days..
You could argue that there was a break in the golden age, due to the Mongol invasions. But it returned sometime after the ottoman empires establishment
@@darksith7282 The break in the golden was and still is because of the Islamic religion itself. Rational thought and organized religion just do not go together.
@Red Kane I don't read religious books. Why should anyone?
@Red Kane What religion is valid teaching? NONE.
I think you are missing the geo-political situation of most Muslim countries- they are failed post colonial states run by puppet dictatorships.. there was a time when the learning centers of the world were focused in Muslim lands, and knowledge was transferred to the west through primarily translating arabic books to latin from Toledo, which gave birth to thinkers like Copernicus. The sad reality today is if you are a Phd graduate in Egypt today chances are you will likely be driving a Taxi rather than utilizing that doctorate for any meaningful impact on humanity... the problem is political not religious as history demonstrates
The problem is ISLAM ITSELF. Islam stifles innovation and freedom of thought.
@@BeamshipcaptainNothing could be further from the truth; just study islamic civilization -the world pre Islam and post Islam... i.e a transformation from what historians refer to as "the dark ages" to post Islam a period of which ushered in the modern age, transformed to a period of enlightenment, scientific inquiry, discovery and innovation in all fields... the islamic roots of the modern age are all around us from the numbering system we use today, to architecture, medicine, astronomy, computing, hospitals, universities.. unfortunately history is taught with selective amnesia
@@raha5570 We know Islamics pioneered the sciences; then withdrew into primitivism, and have stayed there to this day. No other civilization did that.
@@Beamshipcaptain all civilizations rise and fall my friend, they all have their day in the sun so to speak, Islamic golden era was quite fantastic, the first melting pot society incorporating a peaceful cohesive society of people from different religions, races, ethnicity working together.. Islamic civilization fell into decline after well meaning scholars got together and closed the doors to ijtihad, that started the decline, when the sickness set in - imperialists invaded in pursuit of resources (oil, gold, minerals) and trade routes (Suez canal, silk road) and created the countries that exist today in the mess that is the middle east, but the story is not over case in point the arab spring, change is on the horizon...
Why would Neal look at Geo political stuff ? His business is science. And Islam simply didn't produce anything extraordinary since the 12th century onwards. He's spot on about that.
Wow, Al Ghazali didn't simply say that. I don't think Neil read all of his book entirely.
Nuclear is scientific breakthrough, but without heart, you got Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Correct! Everything in the above video is false. Neil has a bad habit of inventing history to support his arguments.
Islam is a stupid religion
The button is pressed by a person. The bomb doesn't have a choice, it's the persons choice. That's how humans behave. They are an unpredictable and violent species with very little logic and magic sky pixies telling them what to do. Nothing I can do about it except observe. :)
@@DinoHunter56 And, "insert name here" isn't a stupid religion. 🤣
@@HopDavid Where did he do that?
What are you talking about?
Ghazali was curious about science.
He even by himself tried to know how big the Sun was even though his conclusions were wrong this proves his enthusiasm for science.
When?
@@androidphobe9351 when he was alive.
@@androidphobe9351A debate between Abu Hamid al-Ghazali and the muslim philosopher Averroes about two questions: the size of the universe and the fate of the Sun. al-Ghazali suggested that there is no reason for believing the size of the universe is fixed. Averroes refused this challenge claiming that the universe must have a fixed size otherwise it will corrupt. al-Ghazali suggested that there is no reason for believing that the Sun is eternal and will never degenerate. Averroes rejected this challenge and said that the Sun is part of the upper world and cannot be thought to corrupt.
@Smile MotherLover he didn't...
@Smile MotherLover I don't know wether they arrived at a conclusion or not, but Ghazali said that the Universe was not in a fixed shape.
He was right and also wrong.
Muslims didn't stop seeking knowledge because of some dude said everything is the will of ALLAH. Even in 15th 16th century muslims rulers and peoples used to seek knowledge in the subcontinent where there wasnt the chaos or aftermath of crusade. During the golden age muslims read the actual book and there are many times where its been said to seek knowledge. even the prophet himself said to keep seeking knowledge.
Muslims are there but most of them are from eastern parts of asia just not middle east which is another misconception. Just like he said one from pakistan. Are only the arabs muslims?? we aren't??? Stereotypes!!!
Here are the name of a few muslims who are just from my country whose inventions helped the world.
- Abdus Suttar Khan (Material science- invented 40 different alloys some of which are still used today in western jet fighters)
- Fazlur Rahman Khan (Structural Engineer- first to invent the tube structural system which is still used for high rise buildings. even the burj khalifa is based on the same concept)
apart from these two there are many more just Bangladeshi Muslims who had invented something just they didn't make the part that "they are muslim" loud enough. And before talking about stuffs like this neil should have studied. He is a well known and respected man. I have just given 2 examples from top of my head cause my field of interest is also in those 2 subjects. Now you wonder how many are there from other muslim countries. And nobel prize should never be the benchmark. We all saw what the woman with peace prize did. didn't we?
Yes middle easterns aren't currently in the forefront of science cause basically its in chaos since when i was a kid. now i am in mid twenties and things are still the same. How can you expect to seek knowledge when just surviving everyday is a challenge, when you dont know where the next bomb might fall. It even might fall on an educational institution.
@@jirenthegray2904 here is the problem. You guys gonna believe in an instant that those people doing something good were not influenced by their faith but will try to justify that if they aren't doing good or nothing its because of their faith...!!! Just like what neil did in this video. Why don't you people just stay quiet when you don't know close to nothing about a certain group of people and have to act like knows all geniuses. Listen to the experts of that group. He mentioned about a guy about whom even i never knew though i am a muslim but never mentioned Mohammad (PUBH) who told his followers, seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim. I guess that guy is known in middle east which he quoted in the video. But like most of your stereotypes, muslims not equals to middle eastern. they live in larger number in south asia. How many times i have tell the same things.
aung san suu kyi, here is a great example of nobel winner. 🤦♂️
And here is some other FACTS in the link. Cause the faith of islam discourage to think freely. 🤦♂️
www.researchgate.net/publication/292970930_SCIENTIFIC_FACTS_IN_QURAN
Islam dont need to open up. Muslims from war torn countries need to get up. Those leaders you taliking about of those muslim countries weren't elected by people. Egypt sisi backed by us, iraq-iran war; saddam backed by us, rise of taliban/osama bin laden during afghan-soviet war; backed by guess what us, saudi royal family backed by again us. Irans khameni rose to power when us backed shah was depriving his own people. Most of the problem with middle east summed up.
Some govt should stay neutral then talk about other. You gonna involve with someone and support them as long as they support your cause but when they change their mind its their faith which is the problem not the money or weapons or international support you provided, right?? 🙄
Religion is just a scapegoat. The real reason is regional politics. As long as you cant solve that science will never progress no matter what religion, social norms, culture whatever you want to blame it on.
"He mentioned about a guy about whom even i never knew though i am a muslim but never mentioned Mohammad (PUBH) who told his followers, seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim."
*Are you talking about al-Ghazuli? To not know about the person responsible for destroying your golden age shows how ignorant of history you actually are, and a reason why Islamic people are the most uneducated, suffer from high illiteracy rates and so forth.*
"I guess that guy is known in middle east which he quoted in the video. But like most of your stereotypes, muslims not equals to middle eastern. they live in larger number in south asia. How many times i have tell the same things."
*Because south-east asian Muslims is a recent phenomena, and how many times do YOU need to be told. People don't create great things BECAUSE of Islam, they do it because they IGNORE Islam. Understand?*
"aung san suu kyi, here is a great example of nobel winner. And here is some other FACTS in the link. Cause the faith of islam discourage to think freely."
*1.3 Billion of you and still achieved barely anything for how many Muslims there are and that's a fact! 15 million Jews and they have 150 Nobel Prizes. How come you Muslims can still count the amount of Nobel prizes you've one on one hand?*
"Islam dont need to open up. Muslims from war torn countries need to get up. Those leaders you taliking about of those muslim countries weren't elected by people. Egypt sisi backed by us, iraq-iran war; saddam backed by us, rise of taliban/osama bin laden during afghan-soviet war; backed by guess what us, saudi royal family backed by again us. Irans khameni rose to power when us backed shah was depriving his own people. Most of the problem with middle east summed up."
*Wrong. Islam is a backwards archaic religion and all of its success came from a time when they were open to western ideas and thinking and that is a proven fact. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you a member of ISIS, because you sound like one of them!? Take responsibility. Stop taking loans from America that you can;t pay back. Stop allowing them to do things in the past like train the Mujahudeen, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES!*
"Some govt should stay neutral then talk about other. You gonna involve with someone and support them as long as they support your cause but when they change their mind its their faith which is the problem not the money or weapons or international support you provided, right??"
*Again, stop blaming Americas foreign policy for all of your problems! You were fighting and going backwards long before America got there and that's a damn fact, get over it! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELVES!*
"Religion is just a scapegoat. The real reason is regional politics. As long as you cant solve that science will never progress no matter what religion, social norms, culture whatever you want to blame it on."
*Islam is a religious and political system, hence why both sides get attacked. So fix your culture, reform from within, shiite and sunni should stop fighting, and look to western ideas to champion them again, then Islam will have peace and can be at the forefront of scientific discovery again.*
@@cracklingsoda Islam is a religion greater than you, my friend. The first word in it is read. Rather, Muslims must follow it completely and do not deduct from it what they want. Islam says to you, “Walk in the land and see what the creation looked like.” Experimental science from astronomy on astrology is the Messenger Muhammad, my friend. You say scholars are not because of Islam and the terrorists because of it.
@@cracklingsoda en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contemporary_Muslim_scholars_of_Islam
@@cracklingsoda
The Nobel Prize was only given to Europeans, my friend. Until the 20th century, they started giving it to outside Europe. Secondly, the Nobel Prize is not a standard, my friend. When Muslims laughed at Socrates and laughed at his theories and discovered algebra and politicized the numbers that we use today, Europeans sold the forgiveness of the Jews and invaded Muslims in Jerusalem
He needs to apologise for his blatant lies and insufficient research
He didn't lie.
@A Humanist this man does not know the slightest thing about theology or philosophy
I have read books of hadith and the Quran. I have come to the conclusion that Islam is false.
@@mo_ali0-d8t I know philosophy. You can discuss it with me if you want.
@A Humanist the issue that I have is not his position on the truth or falsity of Islam, but on his views surrounding the history of the Islamic contribution to science and mathematics. Additionally, the lack of fact checking throughout.
He’s lying this is a clear humiliation for this agnostic “Nobel prize is his measure “ 😂 what a joke who’s here after Mohammed Hijab destroyed him by the permission of Allah
Yessir neil is a clown
he's not atheist he's agnostic dude
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Mohammed Hijab is a moron and a coward. Anyone who believes him is a deluded fool
U just mad bro
I was shocked when he brought "Al-Ghazali" as some religious fanatic who doesn't value intellect and research..Unfortunately, Neil couldn't save himself the way he wanted to save President Bush. I think he hasn't read anything about Ghazali. Islam, like any other religion, had many extremist scholars, who objected to research and science, but Ghazali wasn't one of them. In Islamic world Ghazali has quite the opposite reputation, as a mystic, philosopher who had profound understanding of Greek philosophy , started philosophical discourse in his time, a theologian who valued logic and talked about living a happy ,contented life.
That's why I prefer Imam Shafi'i, he is open to thinking, even though the Quran suggests that science is very important
Correct. Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil.
Neil's account of President Bush's 9-11 speech is also false. Bush's actual speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque.
The talk is addled nonsense from start to finish.
I agree with everything except the Nobel peace prize part, the nobel prize is less worthy than a trophy in the 3rd grade. Its biased and many horrible people who have done horrible hings have won those.
Not in the science part. Nobel science prizes are given fairly. Peace prizes are the ones given mostly to wrong people.
You mean Obama?
Horrible people have done horrible things, and won it..that is true. But, there is a difference between Nobel in science and Nobel peace prize. Neal is talking about the ones in science.
@@jamieammar6131 i guess i wasnt paying attention, i understand now
@@muhammadbilalawan6182 I think scientists tend to block out the existence of the Nobel Peace Prize so never consider it when talking about Nobel prizes :)
What i have learnt from this video well is that even a scientist cannot free himself from innate prejudice and often adorns his false view with superficial and irrelevant facts.
It is a stretch to call this pop science celebrity a scientist.
I wonder why he didn't mention how many muslim & arab scientists have been assassinated by mossad (& co) in the last fifty years...that'll give him an explanation to a certain extent, then if he adds how many muslim & arab scientists were assassinated by colonial powers that'll give him an even better explanation...here's an example: *the scientist who invented nuclear chemistry while studying in france refused all offers of french authorities to settle in france, shortly after returning to his hometown in morocco he was killed in a car accident*
@@zteaxonm595 There are so many things wrong with arguments. He is ridiculous. It is my hope this will become widely known.
@@HopDavid hello David 👋, I am curious as to why you think he is a pop scientist more than a real scientist. Has he done any real contributions or is he just a talker?
@@abdelaleem4026 He flunked out of his first attempt at a doctorate at U.T. with his advisors telling him he wasn't cut out for astrophysics. And judging by all the stuff he gets wrong, I agree with them.
For R. Michael Rich at Columbia he counted nova in the galactic bulge. That was his doctoral dissertation in the early 90s.
He is mentioned very late in long lists of authors for the COSMOS review papers in 2007 and 2008.
And that's pretty much his peer reviewed papers.
I tried to link to some discussions of his C.V. by actual astrophysicists. But the moderators of this RUclips channel are no longer allowing me to post links.
How many black nobel prize winners for physics, chemistry or medicine?
🤣
about 15 won nobel peace prize considering the fact that it was 1895 and for the next 80 years segeration, discrimination was still legal :)
I just lost all the respect and admiration I had for him. This is borderline ridicule! I would expect more research from someone like him. Even the new grad students would ridicule him in a debate on this topic.
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Same to me..i felt so sad with this video..before this im very admired to be like him..
He is still a great scientist. I agree its a disappointement but no man is perfect. Recognise how wrong are the god believers, they distort history every breath of their life. He was wrong and he should apologise but he is still a great person and this is one wrong doing compared to all the work he has done
totally agree that he has made great contributions in his field, but this topic is out of his expertise. I'm not sure whether he apologized or not, but he should, and refrain from talking about it.. until he can put actual facts on the table.
@@your_boy_lamine What facts did he get wrong?>
Looking into peer reviewed journals and publications are the best way to state if people are contributing to science or not. And one key fact he is missing is most muslims live in the developing nations where getting a job and feeding family is more important due to the hustle lifestyle rather than spending time to do research. Also funding related to research is also very low in these countries also. All the countries that can fund like Dubai are invested in infrastructure because it´s easier to get return on investments.
There are no scientific research being done in Muslim majority countries? Only proves his point.
Well said, i'm from egypt and this is true
Yep this is true
Very well articulated. Also, I may add it's "developing" in comparison to the "developed" world, both terms coined by the latter.
There is a reason why Newton and Darwin were'nt born in Muslim countries and most other cultures. They would have been killed and called blasphemous.
Neil: Al-Ghazali campus of sciences
Al-Ghazali: Learning science, mathematics and medicine is a societal duty and people must learn it
Revival of Religious Sciences book, page 38
Neil: So you're calling me a liar?
All was good until he got to Ghazali. The beginning of the decline was NOT Ghazali, it was the Mongol invasion, where this speaker missed the fact that the rivers of Baghdad turned to black because of all the books the Mongols threw in the rivers! Funny how he forgot that.
he is not educated on these subjects, he is obviously a layman
@@ndane2 And that's why the famous proverb says: "A little knowledge is a DANGEROUS thing".
Iran recovered after Alexander burned their books. Europe recovered despite lots of their knowledge being lost after Alexandria and Rome were conquered. China recovered from book burnings.
But you can't recover if your brain is burned by religion
Islam needs a freakin’ millennia to recover? Japan recovered in 50 years.
Imam Ghazali was no fool. If you doubt me listen to his alchemy of happiness audiobook
There is a reason why we call him "Proof of Islam".
@Pablo Olbap try saying that after reading one of his books.
@@none.4836 Wasnt he the nutjob who said math is devils work?
That's all you need to know that he's a clown.
@@Wabbelpaddel Ghazali never said that.
@@Wabbelpaddel he never mentioned math as the devils work. He deemed philosophy as incoherent and engaged in one the most spectacular philosophical debates with Ibn Rushd. Please before you speak on something try doing a little bit of research. Otherwise, you just sound dumb.
What in the ignorance?? Is this a joke? Perhaps a failed attempt of a stand-up comedy?
He can't even say jokes
@@mohamedhusam8189 bruh 🤣
What's wrong bro?
Did this guy just say that Ghazali is the one who put Islam together?? 🤣
No. He didn't say that.
@@BaldTom Well, he did actually. He said Ghazali codified Islam like Aquinas did for Christianity. Before that each Muslim was interpreting the Koran as he or she saw fit. Another embarrassing fiction.
@Greg Kanowitz Whether true or not that doesn't support Tyson's claim that Ghazali codified Islam
@Greg Kanowitz Yes to avoid any miswritings and contradictions.
When you know nothing you stay silent. Something he failed to do
How could Ghazali be anti-science when the most famous book of his is titled "The Alchemy/Chemistry of Happiness" (Kimiya-yi Sa'ādat) ?
He writes a ton about how knowledge is bad. Learning takes you away from god and puts you in the hand of the devil - repeated 1,000 times in "revival of religious sciences"
He critized Ibn Sina's inclusion of previous Greek philosophy but that does not nessarily mean he was anti-science.
@@Justin-tp1mx Watch Al-Muqaddimah's video on the fall of the Islamic Golden Age. It's impossible that one man's books could've extinguished and entire people's interest in science. Rather it was the invasions and wars that preceded the decline. In the face of war, scientists weren't much useful back then. They couldn't build nuclear weapons and killing drones for the governor like scientists do today. Considering that Islam is not monolithic as let's say the Catholic Church, meaning it doesn't have a higher authority (except for maybe in some Shia groups) which can change the religion just like that. It takes ages of scholarly consensus and getting the people used to certain beliefs, to make them lose faith in science.
If you look even at Ibn Taymiyah, arguably the predecessor of the Wahabi/Salafi ideology, he said "Know that it is agreed that the Earth is round-shaped. The orbits are circular as stated in the Qur'an."
So even the most conservative and literalist scholars of Islam were leaning towards the belief that natural sciences don't contradict the Religion, what would you expect from Al-Ghazzali whose works are mild and tolerant compared to Ibn Taymiyah's?
@@DarioHaruni in war, scientists are the most useful soldiers, they create new weapons against which the enemy has no defense, the greatest advances in human history came as results of wars
@@frostyab7579 Yes, I know that and the Qur'an orders me to observe the Creation of the Universe. And I'm proud about the scientific achievements of the religious scholars of the Islamic Golden Age. And I am a scientist too.
It hurt after listenning to this actually, it's not a good idea to live in the past, we Muslim has to learn from it.
Don't be stupid
dont get swayed by his talk al ghazali was supportive of science
wow man. as a muslim i really am ashamed that we have lost our way. 😟😟
Ottoman empire, the turks cared about war more than anything else.
this guy doesnt know anything about islam instead of listening to kufars do your on research
This gentleman is also skipping the fact that Alfred Nobel built his wealth out of war economy. So, the number Nobel prize wins might not really be the right scale for benchmarking success of nations. Also Enrico Fermi, Emilio Segre, Richard Feynman, James Rainwater are Nobel prize winners due to their contributions to the Manhattan project which caused death of tens of thousands of civilians in a split second. There is more... Henry Kissinger received the Nobel peace prize, but he is the direct cause of 3 million deaths in Vietnam, 600.000 in Cambodia and 500.000 in Malaysia coup, all civilians. We can add Obama to the list who is also a Nobel peace prize who is also the first president in the US history to have war in consecutive two administration periods. Authors like Mark Twain and Tolstoy failed to receive a literature prize while Winston Churchill had one, which is kind of weird. Peter Handke too received a nobel prize although he is supportive of the Srebrenitsa massacre. So there is *bias* my friends and this simply disqualifies Nobel prize to be an absolute reference for assessing success.
agreed.
Nobel prize might not be the best indicator for the success of an individual or nation. However, there are correlations between nobel prize winners and those (individuals or nations) who are successful (assuming success=greater quality of life). There is no denying that Muslim countries are behind the western countries in terms of human rights and QUALITY OF LIFE. Muslims also tend to put Islam on an untouchable pedestal. This means that if science SEEMS goes against religion, they reject science without questioning the religion. Many don't even try to find an explanation in which science and Islam coincide and therefore they reject science. This stops many Muslims from perusing certain subjects since these subjects may lead to conflicts with their religion and thus this causes an overall smaller number of muslims to win the Nobel prize. Lastly, from what I have seen there very few children want to fulfill their curiosity through research into science and those who want to research into science are frowned upon by Muslim elders.
And yes I am a Muslim myself for those wondering, and before any assumptions are made about my background, I wasn't born in the UK and have spent most of my life in Pakistan which is why I am able to comment on Muslim's view on science/education. Since I live in the UK, I am also able to compare Pakistan to the UK.
As someone living in a muslim country I can assure you people here are retarded
You do know that Neil is talking about science, right? There are several fields of Nobel prizes. He is talking about science. They are weighty. The peace price is extremely hit and miss, and often more political than anything else. Science is not politics. You either discover something, or you dont.
@@tzimiable facts! also peace price is always a miss in my opinion. Science Nobel prizes usually have an immediate long lasting effect on the world but peace never seems to he any closer
Respect the the golden age teachers that made you where you are. remember that.
This is the reason why you should do your study and research first. All that he's saying is a complete lie. I lost all my respect for this guy.
Type "inventions in Islamic golden age" in Google and go Wikipedia, then come to talk the rest.
I'm sure he'll be devastated to learn that. 😕
@@HopDavid Thanks man. Time to bully pop science kids 😂
@@gohanblanco5641 these aalewis types could use a good wedgie
@Greg Kanowitz Tyson hasn't done research or opened a textbook since his dissertation in the early 90s. It is a stretch to call him an astrophysicist.
Whatever you want to call him, that doesn't excuse Tyson falsifying history to push a narrative.
So your telling me an Astrophysicist is going to teach me about religion? He needs to apologize for his lies!
What lie?
It is a stretch to call this pop science celebrity an astrophysicist. He hasn't done research in 30 years. And, judging by all the inaccuracies in his pop science routine, hasn't opened a textbook in that time either.
How does it feel being lied to you in your face when you know the truth?
sorry for my arrogance, don't mean to offend you, simply tryna learn, in what ways did he lie?
@@jiwachhetri7317 Much of the video is false. I don't believe Neil was intentionally trying to deceive so I wouldn't call it lying. He was merely addled, in my opinion.
For example Tyson's account of Bush's 9-11 speech. Bush's actual speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque. It most certainly was NOT an "attempt to distinguish we from they".
See this piece from the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/27/neil-degrasse-tyson-admits-he-botched-bush-quote/
The whole video is full of falsehoods. I can give more examples if you like.
The father of rationalism Averroes (Ibne Rushd) was Muslim. He translated and introduced Aristotle to Europe. His work was later translated to Latin and Hebrew.
HE FORGOT: The Euro & Jewish renaissance of innovations was built on the back of established Muslim sciences, effectively shorn of rightful credit. Impossible without same.
Even I'm here after br. Hijab
Bruh same
Same lol
I left islam now lol
@@hayyansheikh4297 whole quran
@@disguiseddogie7954 ya how many?
Huge misunderstanding : most of times you need an expert to translate old Arabic books I think his understanding about al-ghazali is very wrong also science wasn’t present in Islam only during 1st half of its 1st century due to wars against it and wars to spread it
“Great indeed is the crime against religion committed by anyone who supposes that Islam is to be championed by the denial of these MATHAMATICAL sciences.'' AL-GHAZL
(Book- Deliverance from Error)
This is the reason why you should not give a mic to a person who lacks knowledge.
Sure, you have knowledge more than him loooooooool such a stupid comment
@@ibnseena "Sure, you have knowledge more than him"
No intellectual person says that. Ever.
The reason as to why humanity achieved a lot was never because of comments like these. In the scientific world, scientists often absolutely love it when they get disproven. That means that humanity has learned something new. There's no such thing as "it is impossible that you have more knowledge than him". Look at Beethoven for example, he was deaf but he still produced amazing music, he's still made a huge contribution to humanity with his art, no professional musician has ever told him that he wouldn't be as good as them just because he now has lost his hearing ability.
Your ignorance is truly dangerous.
In the scientific world there's no such thing as "I know much more than you and therefore you should shut up". Everyone is open to criticize things.
@@red-sv2qf You are absolutely wrong... there are levels for IQ. People are NOT equal in their intellect, feelings,..... You are so naive ad have no depth in your thinking! Hay, you are smarter than Einstein, lol. In any major, including astronomy, physics, math, there are some who are smarter than others... YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF & stop writing nonsense: HOW OLD ARE YOU?
@@ibnseena neil is a physicist, so he should stay on that lane. He has no right to act like his a historian trying to teach world history, in which he does not have the qualification. You would not expect a math teacher to teach history class are you?
@@YoLo-nz2fo It all depends...Some people has multiples skills & intellects. It is absolutely not right to say If you are a doctor then don't talk about history or politics or.....Read the history of the world (including US history - Founding Fathers) & you will understand my statement above....
Rejects theism, rejects Christianity, accepts Islam. Direct irrationality left as an exercise for the reader.
I can understand Mr. Tyson's frustration regarding the lack of participation by the Muslim people in the field of science. To that I would say, he should look into the historic impact of European colonialism on the world of Islam, and how the Islamic education system, that took centuries to develop, was systematically and methodically disassembled by the colonial powers.
We are recovering now, despite the continued western interference in our countries. Despite the American bombs being dropped on our heads, our rightful leaders deposed or murdered and replaced by western puppets, our most sacred beliefs mocked and ridiculed by pseudointellectual showmen of the modern media. Despites all of that and more, we are recovering, and in the coming decades Mr. Tyson will finally start to see those Nobel Prizes trickle in.
[edit] Lots of angry comments here. You really have to be a born Muslim to understand their feelings. Allow me to elaborate. Black people are about 1/5th the world population. Number of Nobel Prizes in science? Zero. Why is that Mr. Tyson? How come such a large part of the human population, which is just as intelligent as anyone else, so far behind in scientific research? There are reasons... right? Political reasons, historical reasons, geographic reasons, etc. etc. None of those reasons has ANYTHING to do with the the fact that they are black, does it? Surly that is something you and I agree on, right? But there are ignorant, racist scumbags out there who might say otherwise. They might say that the n**** is just naturally inferior. To me, who was raised on the Islamic principals of equality of all mankind, such a statement is downright disgusting, and only points to the intellectual vacuousness of such an individual. When you, Mr. Tyson, stand there and blithely accuse the "Muslims" of not participating in the scientific development of humanity, disregarding the hardships and horrors my people have had to survive through history (and are still suffering through, all over the world), to many, you may just appear really as a part of the problem.
Islam practiced slavery, whites and blacks and later blacks mostly, officially untill 1920. They conquerred a substantial part of the world since its inception while killing or enslaving the people they conquered or imposed dimmitide on the others. They never repented on what they did untill today, contrary to countries in the west. The nerve you have to complain without choking is appalling.
@@SocratesOnline Dont bother listening to Neil Disgraced. He is a tool, not a real scientist just a science journalist. Using Nobel prize to indicate scientific achievement? lmao what a joke. Nobel prize was just issued recently and Islam is older than that. Nobel is so biasedly influenced by colonialists to suit their agenda. Black people should be ashamed on having a tool suck up to his colonial masters.
Slaves have been centuries long before Islam. Islam encourages freeing of slaves. Basically a lot of slaves are from Prisoners of War. At least we have a decency to not kill POW like the Europeans did during their war. Millions died from just world war 2 in Europe, funny guy.
So you mean to say that Saudi Arabia was some big utopia in 650 AD? Last time I checked, the Quran mentioned women are your fields, go visit them and plant your seeds. If you're mature enough, you'll understand the grotesque reference this alludes to. This is the perverted and regressive nature of the Quran. The great muhammad married a 6 year old girl and had sexual relations with her when she was 8-9 years old. He was a mass murdered who killed thousands during 600 ads or so. So, the middle east was no utopia then.
Europe systematically destroyed the Indian education system as well, but why is it that Indians are smart today, heading google, microsoft, twitter, IBM or making ISRO, DRDO, IITS for example? Middle East was always a hell hole no matter how much you try to think in your minds that it was some islamic utopia (which it never was). Also, guess what, the 'arabic numerals', were actually taken by arabs traders from India who introduced them in europe. So europeans began to call them arabic numerals. Hardcore potheads then say some delusions about islamic mathematics. If the middle east people were so smart, then why are the busy blowing up bombs, and not working as researchers?
I agree and understand your point but to be fair, he is focusing on the downfall of scientific discovery by Muslims whereas black people really had no major contributions to begin with which is why an A to A comparison is not apt. Also, he is conferring to the point that religious radicalism had a role in that downfall albeit not the sole reason. We can’t deny your point which might have had (I believe) a greater impact on the downfall but we can’t dismiss his point as hate either in a scientific/ educated conversation.
Race and religion are not comparable. You can choose to be a Muslim but you cannot choose to not be born black. You're comparing an ideology with biological traits. And that's what a racist would do to deflect the point he was making.
Since when has the noble prize been an accurate measurement of contributions in science?
It's a decent metric. Got any better suggestions? Let's be honest, Arabs and Muslims don't invent/discover anything in math, science, and philosophy anymore. They haven't contributed a fraction of what the West has contributed in these fields for over a 1000 years now.
@@t.d.2016 Neil talks about the small number of prizes earned by the 1.4 billion Muslims alive today. Well, the same is true of the 1.4 billion people living in India. Or the 1.4 billion people living in India.
These are populations of comparable size and populations that have enjoyed periods of innovation. In fact the zero and our base ten numbering system comes from India, not the Arabs as Neil falsely claims.
Neil claims that a once innovative population would surely have recovered if not Ghazali. His claim is demonstrated false.
Systematic oppression is no new trait of the ⚪️ Man.. they may create false criteria but history can speak for itself. Can’t erase history although they try their hardest to change history.
@@GloHamed And attempting to change history is exactly what Tyson's doing here.
Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil. Nor did Islamic innovation collapse in Ghazali's lifetime.
Also Tyson's account of Bush's 9-11 speech is completely and utterly false. Bush's actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion. It was delivered from a mosque.
Desh Amila is also helping spread these falsehoods. His channel This Is 42 should be condemned for posting Tyson's invented histories.
@@t.d.2016 The West litterally stole Middle Eastern knowledge and gave themselves the credit. Colonialist attitude.
Bagdad used to be the world capital of science. Your arrogance is embarrassing.
- who are a victim to systemic and systematic racism
-who are in constant battle to remain alive from their oppressors
-who are not given the basic humanitarian right to live and have the right to a proper education.
Keep these questions in mind when it comes to comparing one another on the basis of race, ethnic background, and/or religion.
You think 1.3 billion Muslims live in the USA?
So who is in a 'constant battle to remain alive from their oppressors'? A good deal of them are in the Muslim world, wouldn't you say?
Gains from college education are a lie... look up Nasim Taleb (he showed that countries became rich and innovative before they had mass education). Also look up Bryan Kaplan's the case of against education. What you need are people motivated to endlessly tweak things, and self learning.
@MusicProductionAndSheet How would YOU know if "systemic racism is a fallacy", especially being a WASP?
systemic racism? of muslims in muslim countries? constant battle to remain alive from oppressors...who run those muslim governments? not given basic rights to have proper education, as mandated by muslim clerics who rule and dictate the laws of the muslim countries? make it make sense.
As a muslim I agree. What pushes people away from religion is when mankind makes it seem mystical rather than scientific.
Well I use to think that he was a really credible intellectual
literally simple google search can destroy all of his arguments ..
@vm365 how many African or South American people got the prize?
He has very deep issues based on illusions .. i used to like him .. little i know
@vm365 its what i meant xD argument still holds
Noble price is under scrutiny
Nothing he said is wrong
Search "Muslim schools Neil deGrasse" by Mohamed Hijab. Tyson is a grifter who is not worthy of the support and recognition he has.
Search the book The Closing of the Muslim Mind by R. Reilly in which theses such as deGrasse's are explained in detail and are utterly cogent.
@@maxb9315 You should've watched the video he mentioned before commenting
I've seen the video. A few days ago I left remarks in its comments section, which you might wish to view.
@@maxb9315 Great. So would you please quote the lines in which Ghazali condemns science?
@@maxb9315 let me see if I can find them
Did he ever apologize for this defamation of one of the greatest minds ever?
shut up..
@@abelnicolaebaritone Why? Is it OK to run your mouth about anything when you got some fame?
@@stilmaho if it's the truth, yeah.. It's not only ok, but mandatory. Bad thing about truth... it hurts.
@@abelnicolaebaritone The truth? You probably don't even know what you are talking about.
Just a simple google search will tell you that al-Ghazali have never claimed that math or science was "the work of devil". What he deemed as heresy against Islam was some (and even then not all) of the teachings of some of the Greek philosophers that the islamic philosophers of his time were following.
None of those teachings were about math or science either. He also clearly states that just because someone is well informed in one area doesn't mean that they are well informed in every area so one shouldn't take whatever the Greek philosophers said as the absolute truth.
In fact despite his contributions, some of Aristoteles' teachings crippled the scientific advancement in Europe. His teachings were part of the reason why the church had almost executed Galileo Galilei
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But wasn’t algebra invented in India and translated in the Arab communities, thus giving the West access to what was previously eastern knowledge ?
Yes, it was invented in India and went west via the Arabs
NO IT WAS CREATED IN PERSIA.AND SPREAD INTO INDIA.
Nope. Algebra was known to earlier mathmaticians
Algebra was invented in America 🇺🇸
@Muslim terrisost No. My dad's barber said he invented Algebra while attending barber school. He never lies lol.
4:56 Neil is either lying here or he's just too lazy to search before he makes this ridiculous claim!!
AlGhazali didn't unify the Islamic practice among Muslims, because the Quran does that job and the companions of the Prophet PBUH made sure everyone was well versed in the teachings of Allah SWT!
Research before opening mouth could save one's integrity if he has any!
and yet you have hanafi, hambali, syafi'i, maliki, suffi, shia, allowi, druze, and wahabi/salaphi, how could you call that unified?
The numeral system came to be known to the court of Baghdad, where mathematicians such as the Persian Al-Khwarizmi, whose book On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals (Arabic: الجمع والتفريق بالحساب الهندي Al-Jam` wal-Tafrīq bil-Ḥisāb al-Hindī) was written about 825 in Arabic, and then the Arab mathematician Al-Kindi, who wrote four volumes, On the Use of the Indian Numerals (Arabic: كتاب في استعمال الأعداد الهندية Kitāb fī Isti`māl al-'A`dād al-Hindīyyah) in about 830.
Indian Hindus invented "Algebra".
U have to be happy because they translated from Hindi to Arabic
@@shuaib4095 why?
al-khawarizmi was an arab not a persian.
Yeah i read that in WhatsApp how Khawarizim travelled to India to learn all that knowledge
Wow very interesting to see that the real knowledge and wisdom we use today are been invented by them the Muslims great video love it ✅
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_Wow very interesting to see that the real knowledge and wisdom we use today are been invented by them the Muslims great video love it_
Yes sounds so simple doesn't it? But there is more than meets the eye and Tyson does not explain.
But questions - why did it start? And why did it stop? Stop it did, shortly after 1111AD and after that, there was was nothing after that.
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No they did not, for example the Numbers Arabs learnt from India. Search it. This guy spreading misinformation sorry.
As a Muslim i agree with him..
Everytime I enter the comment sections, it feels like I walked right into the mental asylum.
For a guy who is highly regarded as an intellect made little to no effort to research his bold claims. Kids who dont know better would actually believe this liar if they didnt fo further reseach them selves. Shame on you
There is ample evidence to support deGrasse's claims. I suggest you consult R. Reilly's book The Closing of the Muslim Mind, in which theses such as deGrasse's are presented in detail. And don't label someone a 'liar' just because he presents a viewpoint you are uncomfortable with. I've lost count of the number of shrill Muslims in RUclips comments sections who unjustifiably defame others in this way.
After researching Islam I left it.
Islam says one moment spent in curious thinking is times better than a whole day of ibaadat' which mean to pray.
Is this the video that Hijab debunked?
Yep this Neil guy is FINISHED
The same hijab who deletes comments? Clown shit
he doesnt delete it but he has to approve it first
@@TheWanderer1800 what has deleting comments have to do with anything?
@@The_Angry_BeEconomist hijab is an apologist. He also censors other opinions. True Islamist in my opinion
The Nobel prize is no marker to judge who is more learned. It merely reflect the bias of the Nobel committee
Lmao
Cope
4:45 Well you noticed that it's ok but Vanishing entire scientific Legacy is due to that one spacific person is impossible.... Imagine imam ghazali wrote a book how much people get influenced by his work at that time( no Internet, no air transport, no modren ships and no printing system ) ......
Also there's the minor detail that Ghazali never wrote that math is the work of the devil.
How can a man say this much of BS in 8 minutes ?
Watch how knowledge moved out of Ancient India. ruclips.net/video/RGyjvyXEKdc/видео.html
I don't know you guys would have to ask the dude who made the video that brought you morons here
All your likes are from butthurt people who are not scientifically inclined
Al ghazali didn't call mathematics the work of the devil. In fact there were famous mathematicians during and around his time.. idk what he's on about but he should do much more research. Also..why is noble prize the objective of achievement when its controlled by the westerns? I can ask about how many black people got the Nobel prize, and if it's a low number (it is) that means all black people are not smart enough to earn it? Also keep in mind that the more technology advances the faster you get to the newer technologies. It's accelerated by time until we reach a certain limit. With that said, all the countries in power now will fall sooner or later just like the rest of the empires, countries etc.
Have a good day.
Though, I agree with his final statement but the rest of it was just a claim with no proof to back it up. I know he does not like Al Ghazali because Al Ghazali absolutely refuted the idea that things happen "Just because" which was the basis of Western philosophy. All Al Ghazali was trying to say was "The rock falls to the ground when you drop it but, if God wills, the rock can stay floating in the air". So it was not about refuting the systems that run the universe but, rather, about the presence of an intelligent entity behind the systems". Which, by the way, ancient philosophers like Aristotle and Socrates already concluded that there was a unified driving forced behind all of universe and they got to that conclusion through independent research.
"How many Muslims won noble prizes?"
How many Black people won noble prizes??
Watch how invasions destroyed Indian discoveries but knowledge was plagiarized. ruclips.net/video/RGyjvyXEKdc/видео.html
@@rajeshji2811 😂
@@sy6553 Thanks for the reply.
8min full of lies
We call this in egypt هبد "habd" which means that the person doesn't know what he is talking about and just hits his ass on the keyboard and say what he has written
@Greg Kanowitz You said it yourself. So why is he speaking out of his ass about history?
See R. Reilly's book The Closing of the Muslim Mind in which theses such as deGrasse's are explained perfectly cogently.
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I don't care
@@Aro_2002 Of course you don't. You wouldn't wish to be exposed to evidence that doesn't fit your narrative. Anything that contradicts your worldview you unthinkingly condemn as 'lies'. As, I'm sure, does the dimwit who gave your post a 'like'.
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Dude I already "exposed" myself to everything he said in the video and searched it.
I am a college student and I don't have that much time to waste.
I am a Shi'a Muslim and I fully agree Neil. A lot of people like ghazali set Islam and science apart. Even though my Islamic sect fully support science am feeling alienated because we are less than 1% of the population,
Again, not true. Let’s not divide us based on sects. We Muslims, all together want to excel. There are ignorant individuals from every walk of life and unfortunately, sometimes they’re the loudest voices.
It's important to note that there are those who don't want to see a stable world Muslim world with successful scholars...Which helps bring about what Mr. Neil wishes to see. ... Poverty is up. Corruption is up. Foreign intervention is up. Education is down.
The middle east is 98% muslim why aren't they excelling,most countries are in poverty.
Neil has missed a thing, or two, or a hundred. He's a science GP, without specialisation.
what are you even talking about?
@@endor8witch Look at my comment
Neil is a tour guide and nothing more
Arabs themselves gave credits to Indians who discovered algebra. Why you people still misleading people. And there wasn't any islam at that time. Nor did it has anything to do with arab philosophers and scientists.
A Golden Age born from conquest, and the ancient knowledge of Persia, Greece, Rome, Egypt, can only last so long. ;)
Once that knowledge dried up, no more Golden Age.
false
By that logic even Persia, Greece, Egypt and Rome were born from conquest
Knowledge is continual, so those civilizations were carried on in Baghdad in that era.
Actually "anything happens is the well of Allah" is the tenet of all Muslims . Including the guy who made you the basics of that projector .
@magicblanket
Actually the caliphate didn't fall by the Mongols and Mongols didn't establish israel . Israel is roughly 50years old organization .
But anyway there's another part of the tenet which is you have to take by reasons it means you can't set doing nothing and say "if Allah wells that I will have food today then I will have food today" no you have to work anf Qur'an mentioned several times about the importance of work and knowledge .
In fact there's vers in the Qur'an that says literally "go and see how did the creation start" and that idiot says that Islam stopped scientist !
@magicblanket Allah didn't "send" the Mongols. He simply allowed it to happen, just like he allows rape, murder, and everything bad to happen. However, that's not an endorsement of what's being allowed. He has given us the ability to prevent such things from happening.
As a Muslim, you have addressed the issues of mankind not the religion.
Iraq was the only middle eastern country which had open heart surgeries in the eighties. That explains why the US invaded and razed it to the ground. Why does professor Neil failed to mention that?
Thanks to the Arabs
I am a Muslim and I believe God has indeed created the universe and the world as a test before we enter the hereafter, aside from that, I believe it is in our nature and somewhat our obligation to explore the universe. I am very interested in astronomy and at one time wanted to pick an education that would lead me to become a teacher, however life has other plans and sadly I did not follow this path (not due to my religion).
I wish more Muslims would actively take part in the course of science and especially astronomy, there's much we can achieve. Science is literally the only tool that'll enable us to permanently stop wars on Earth.
Peace to all of you.
facts
Astoronomy is haram
@@spogfabbitdeadaccount8446 no its not.
@@spogfabbitdeadaccount8446 You are confusing it with astrology
@@jokaro3069 what's the difference?
5:25 Did Al Ghazali ever claim that #math is "of the devil"?
The “al Ghazali” claim is what happens when people don’t read al Ghazali. *
He decried the ignorant people who tried to apply their science to ideas not in the purview of that science (imagine trying to solve a math equation by interpretive dance).
That extended to theologians getting into science, just as much as scientists getting into theology.
In fact, he has a line that reads something like, “ignorant people come out and claim that math must be wrong, because non-Muslims developed it - and that does a disservice to the truth of mathematics and to the stance of religion on truth (which allows for the truth by non-Muslims, as long as it’s a truth about something other than religion - though it could be a religious truth as well, so long as it agreed with Islam).”
As far as the “nothing sacrosanct in science” claim, that’s wrong on two counts. First, science has plenty of sacrosanct principles - except they’re called paradigmatic axioms (e.g. physics must assume that the description of the universe and events therein are reducible to a mathematical equation in order to exist as a science… there’s no reason to believe that’s the case. You have to assume it). Second, science has nothing to say about religious (metaphysical) ideas - because they’re in entirely different realms. Therefore, science cannot intrude on the religious realm; but scientists do try - as do theologians, and that’s the problem (as noted above).
Tyson, who is a public intellectual, made a series of statements on a topic for which he has absolutely no qualifications. Worse, he neglected even the most basic context of history. For example, he has a great line that after 1100, no new science comes out of Baghdad. Well, it does. But more importantly, 1098 is tart of Crusades, which redirect funding from sciences to war for the next 100 years. And that’s followed by the Mongol destruction of the city, along with the house of wisdom. To blame it on Al Ghazali is like complaining that Einstein did not publish anything new after 1955 - ignoring the fact that he died in 1955.
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*Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali says:
“As for the praiseworthy disciplines such as medicine and mathematics, they are associated with worldly benefit. And that category is divided into those that become a communal obligation and those that are of great merit but are not an obligation…
If there are not people who are experts in mathematics within society that it will be a hardship on society and certain aspects of society will suffer from it.”
“… This (mathematics) is a praiseworthy discipline; but if somebody will exceed the bounds in it (i.e. use it for corruption and mischief) they should be prevented from studying it.”
Commenting on this quote, Dr. Joseph says that Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali did not seek to limit mathematics itself; in fact he said that about cases of abusing any intellectual discipline; that is, when people employ knowledge to bring corruption to themselves or to society.
Science After Al-Ghazali didn't flourish?!
But did Islamic scholarship really deteriorate because of Al-Ghazali? Dr. Joseph answers that there is simply nothing in the historical record to substantiate this argument. On the contrary, sciences in the Islamic world went on well into the Ottoman Period.
Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, who died in 1274, was one of the most important astronomers in history. He wrote 125 works on philosophy and theology, science, mathematics, etc.
In addition, there were other prominent contributors to science such as Al-Birjandi, Ali Qushji, Ibn Nafis. They proved that there was no such alleged negative impact of Al-Ghazali on science in Islam.
Professor Lumbard is a Muslim Scholar who teaches in a University in Qatar.
I would guess that the Aztecs had names for all of the stars, too, but European dominance has wiped them from history.
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And the one Pakistani who won Noble prize in Physics, we dont call him Muslim
He was not despite his achievements in physics.
don't call him a Muslim.. but Islam doesn't mean ignorance. Just look at the sky above you and let the stars remind you of their Arabic names :).
Shame on you @arslan Rashid
During the Sasanian Dynasty, which ruled over the Persian Empire from the 3rd to the 7th century CE, there were notable Zoroastrian scholars and scientists who made significant contributions to various fields. While specific information about individual Zoroastrian scientists from that period may be limited, here are some areas of knowledge in which Zoroastrians made advancements:
*_Astronomy:_* Zoroastrians, influenced by their religious beliefs, had a strong interest in astronomy. They developed astronomical observations and calculations, including the compilation of star charts and the study of celestial phenomena. These observations and calculations aided in the development of the Persian calendar, which had a solar foundation.
*_Medicine:_* Zoroastrians in the Sasanian period contributed to the field of medicine. Prominent physicians such as Burzoe and Bakhtishu played key roles in advancing medical knowledge and practices. They translated and compiled Greek medical texts into Persian, thereby preserving and disseminating medical knowledge throughout the empire.
*_Alchemy:_* Zoroastrian scholars in the Sasanian period were involved in the study and practice of alchemy. Alchemy encompassed various disciplines, including the search for the philosopher's stone, the transmutation of metals, and the pursuit of elixirs of immortality. These studies laid the foundation for later developments in chemistry.
*_Philosophy and Theology:_* Zoroastrian scholars engaged in philosophical and theological discussions, exploring concepts related to ethics, cosmology, and metaphysics. They sought to understand the nature of existence, the relationship between good and evil, and the purpose of human life. These philosophical and theological inquiries influenced later Islamic and Persian philosophical traditions.
*_Literature and Poetry:_* Zoroastrian scholars contributed to the literary and poetic traditions of the Sasanian period. They produced works in the Persian language, including epics, religious texts, and lyrical poetry. These literary contributions played a crucial role in the development of Persian literature and had a lasting impact on subsequent Persian literary traditions.
It is important to note that during the Sasanian period, Zoroastrianism was the state religion of the Persian Empire, and many scholars and intellectuals were adherents of this faith. While specific names and details may not be extensively documented and are lost to history after the brutal Islamic conquest of Persia from (633-651 CE) with major Persian libraries and Universities like the "School of learning at Ctesiphon" it's vast libraries and the famous "Academy of Gondishapur" barely survived the destruction by the Arabs and many Middle Persian texts were burned those who survived were later translated into Arabic but the original copy didn't survive,
Zoroastrians undoubtedly played a significant role in the intellectual and scientific advancements of the era.
5:58 - Clearly, someone doesn’t know many historians beyond those that teach high school...
Its actually Hindu Arabic numerals.
@Racist white Koshur yeah when they took our number system. Before that the arabs used roman numerals.
Algebra is the most basic part of maths. They teach it to primary school kids
الحمدلله على نعمة الاسلام
ما دخل دينك في الموضوع؟
Please, I dare him to debate Mohammed Hijab. I mean in a video, Hijab literally dissected and exposed each of his slanderous statements. How embarrassing.
It will be insulting to Tyson to even consider engaging in the pugilistic rant fest that Hijab refers to as debate. Fact of matter is after Islam and Muslim behavior was codified and enforced in the Caliphates, scientific progress in the Islamic world took a terrible beating from which they are still suffering. Muslims once openly studied Greek, Persian and Indian texts of all kind (ex: Arabic numerals and 0 comes from Aryabhatta) but was stopped by the religious leaders, who are supposed to know Islam best, were afraid of Muslims developing critical and rational thinking that would make them harder to brainwash and control. That’s the irrevocable truth.
Full seminar?
This entire video in a nutshell: I don't study history, so therefore what I read must be true.
I know, he was blatantly lying. Islam making advancements in astronomy? Mathematics? Anything? Definitely not
@@Justin-tp1mx Because Islam did not made the advancement, Muslims did.
@@Justin-tp1mx wth it's actually true , are u dumb
@@Justin-tp1mx I bet the world wouldn't have created a calculator without Muslim scientists
@@jacksparrow7474 Isn't the Astrolabe practically the first computer in the world? Isn't the Qumra technically the first lens in the world. These people are haters and never want to acknowledge a history not written by the victors.
Well for one thing the Nobel prize was only awarded after 1901 when the West is in middle of its Industrial age and has always had a Eurocentric and Westerncentric bias ( understandably being a Western-made award) and Jews even before the 20th century already had long established populations in Europe which compounded even more when a lot immigrated to the states after WW2. Meanwhile Muslims during the time were just recovering from decolonisation from the Ottomans while dealing with new European colonisers in the MENA, South Asia and Asia Pacific regions which obviously still leave a resounding effect to this day with all political and economical baggage that follows. Trying to secure scientific research was the least of their worries.
So using the Nobel prize awards as a benchmark is like comparing kids who have trained for a marathon for months in advance and the kid who broke his leg, got admitted to the hospital and still recovering not even knowing there was a school marathon to begin with. And blaming the regression of the Middle East entirely on Islam is pretty unfair. Look at Latinos, sub Saharan Africans, countries like China and India. Single digit Nobel prizes despite hundreds of millions even billions in population. They’re not Muslims either. Economics and (I hate to admit it) politics have a much muuuuuch bigger influence on the scientific innovation of a nation. Honestly, I don’t mind who’s carrying the torch of innovation, Americans, Europeans, Arabs, East Asians as long as the torch is lit, I’m happy for the human race. We don’t have to turn into a death match and discriminate other people. We should always share and help nurture other developing nations or at least those who are willing to learn.
So the Muslims had had only 120 years to acquire Nobel prizes? Poor souls.
@@FF-ch9nrBy 1910 scientific knowledge was out there in the public domain for other cultures to utilise and contribute to if they wished. The Muslim world proved decidedly laggardly in so doing (to say the least).
Political/economic setbacks, which you place stress on, is a feeble rationale for excusing poor Muslim scientific performance. Other cultures get over similar and more extreme adversities perfectly well and turn in competent scientific/technological performances. Germany, for instance, endured defeat in two world wars in quick succession, yet by the 1970s West Germany was hailed as an economic miracle, with all the scientific/ technological progress implied in such an accolade. South Korea provides another example of a war-devastated country rapidly finding its economic and scientific feet. These cultures, you'll note, are celebrated for their work ethics (as is that of the Jews). The Muslim world is not. I rest my case
@@maxb9315 aha, notice how all the example countries you listed are in some form or another in politically good terms with the West? Would you think Germany have been as great a nation as it is today had it sided with the Eastern Bloc instead? Or would South Korea have that great of a rebound had they not split and remained with the soviets? Face it, the ripples of the industrial revolution and Western colonialism is still felt to this day, and it’s undeniable that it gave the west a monumental leap forward over any other nation, I mean there’s a reason the phenomenon is called “the great divergence”. It may not look like it , with its liberal, progressive and individualistic values but, all other nations basically have to kowtow to the Western mafia or else. (Although compared to the other current hegemonies, they’re the lesser evil).
And okay let’s for the sake of argument say somehow by 1910, decades before the invention of the internet like you said all scientific research has been made publicly available. How would some kid halfway across the world even gain access to it without living in a country where the people ruling over it (be it politicians, monarchy, financial oligarch) have strong ties to the West to establish and apply said advancements back in their home country? Aaaanddd even if they did have access. How would they even fund research? Remember we’re living in an age where you can’t just have a few rudimentary alchemist-esque test tubes in a lab, and voila, you can whip up a new chemical element. Post industrial era, to further innovate science and technology you need millions, even billions of dollars to fund research to reiterate and prove a theory. You know what folks like Einstein, Newton, Turing, Ibn Sina, Aristotle and Zu Chongzhi all have in common? They all lived in a time where their respective nations were economically rich and politically stable. All these guys had vastly different faiths but they managed. Can you imagine if someone like Newton was born during the black death or maybe he was German instead and born a few decades earlier during the Thirty Years War? Do you think he’d get the funding and support he needed?
And it’s a shame, post Ottoman collapse, Islamic nations were on the cusp of getting back on their feet and naturally industrialising, maybe even secularising. I’m gonna sound like a broken record but surprise surprise, the West kept beating them while they were down with policies and decisions that absolutely did not favour progressives and instead sowed the seed for Islamic extremism. You’ve got France with the Crimeaux decree which basically made Muslims of North Africa second class citizens in their own countries and gave Jews special privileges (which is why France in particular has such a volatile relationship with NA Muslims to this day). UK, with the Balfour declaration in Palestine, splitting of India and Africa causing Muslim communities in Middle East, South Asia and Africa at odds with other faith groups that they lived harmoniously with, for hundreds of years prior to colonisation. The US and UK with Operation Ajax, where they attempted to replace a democratically elected ruler in Persia with a puppet monarchy to secure the petrodollar which caused the 1979 Iranian revolution causing the region to fall to anti-western sentiments and extremism (this one hurts the most because they really were on the cusp of secularisation in the 70s). And the numerous hi jinx caused by the US in Syria and Iraq in the years that followed to this day. Im not saying these nations are free of blame. But can you completely only blame them for behaving the way they are today? It’s like a kid being constantly bullied and then everyone acts surprised they grow up to be so wrapped up in hate. And what’s worse the actual Islamic allies the west does make and prop up are all these gulf oil-rich absolute monarchy slimebags who want all the power to themselves so they help finance and spread conflict in neighbouring countries and just so happen to be the Muslims who adhere to Wahhabism which is the most fundamental and least progressive school of Islam and political governance, akin to giving power and wealth to an Amish empire lol. But I get it, oil is oil.
And your last point on how _cultures_ like the Jews are able bounce back through sheer work ethic. Okay, let’s ignore the amount of support the West has given Israel since its inception till today, and let’s say the Ashkenazi Jewish community didn’t migrate to the states after WW2 maybe somewhere less economically and militarily powerful. I think they’d still do well, maybe not nearly as well as today but sure still pretty good. But man, I can name tons of non Islamic countries like Mexico, Greece, Russia, India with really long work hours and overly competitive workforce but still the quality of living, HDI and scientific advancements pale in comparison to the West and Far East. Meanwhile Nordic countries with some of the shortest work hours globally are able to get by swimmingly with political stability and quality of living that is superior to North America and West Europe. It’s like you said, _culture_ is the key word here, not faith or race. The culture of a group of people influences the political governance and economical structure, hard work alone isn’t going to get you to the top. In a very capitalistic and technological world, a culture that has thrived traditionally on say, agriculture isn’t going to be top dog. And it’s pretty downright disingenuous to say Muslims are downright not hardworking. If they weren’t, we wouldn’t have empires like the Abbasid, Ummayad, Ottoman and Andalusian Spain or event the golden age Neil was talking about right here. It’s downright dumb to generalise all Muslims as a single hive mind. Muslims make up a quarter of the population and is the most culturally diverse faith group out there. Calling them lazy is like calling people from across the globe lazy.
But I’m optimistic. Iranian people are historically hardworking and a creative bunch ( evident in how they keep reviving as an empire under a different name despite being defeated by numerous other empires throughout history) and they kept a fairly stable economy with moderate technological progress despite being hit with the gajillionth sanction by the US or having their nuclear scientists and generals assassinated with drones. If that doesn’t show resilience, I don’t know what does. I feel like if the West actually tried to establish reasonable diplomatic relations with them, they can heal past wounds and embrace secularism, shift their efforts from being enemies of the West and reach its potential how it did during the Islamic golden age. Other more progressive Islamic nations like Malaysia and UAE are doing pretty well so far in scientific advancement and coincidently these countries are on good terms with the West. So we may be in a dark age now but I’m sure someday Islamic nations can come around and free themselves from fundamentalist institutions.
if you didn’t read any of that it’s ok,I basically disagreed with you. Islamic nations are behind today mostly because of political and economical reasons. The countries you mentioned all have strong positive relations to the West which gives them a tremendous advantage in rebuilding and advancement efforts as opposed to Middle East and North African nations where the West has absolutely bungled the region these past 100 years or so. If we can find a way to improve relations and heal past wounds with all Islamic nations instead of demonising or making an enemy out of a quarter of the human population and destabilising their countries, especially now since oil isn’t that big of priority anymore, we can tap into that well of a huge missed opportunity these past few centuries, it’s gonna benefit all humankind.
@@FF-ch9nr It's precisely the fact that the West initiated industrialisation that is testament to its superior scientific and technological drive. Sorry, but I get a little tired of the Muslim world blaming the West for its troubles and failure to progress. The colonial period was over decades ago but what scientific/technological progress is seen in the Muslim world today is almost invariably down to the West anyway, e.g. the shiny metropolises of the Gulf States, which are the result of the Arabs calling in, and paying for, Western expertise when it came to light that they were sitting on a load of oil. They lacked the knowledge to do such things themselves as their culture had been stagnant for so long.
I think you overstate your Western imperialist point, i.e its allegedly restrictive nature regarding scientific enterprise on the part of the colonised, and in any event I see little indication that even in the absence of imperialism Muslim cultures would have embraced scientific enterprise .In addition it is no coincidence that in the post-colonial world those African/Asian countries who have fared best economically and technologically are those formerly governed by the Brits and other Western powers. Look at the modern skyline of Lagos, for example. Would it be like that if Nigeria (partly Muslim, of course) had had no contact with Western culture?
I'll give you your point about the Iranians. I think they are more enterprising than many other Muslim peoples, not least the idle, self-satisfied Arabs of the Gulf, who often display an ill- founded superiority complex ( I've had the misfortune of teaching Arab students so I know what I'm talking about). I'm only left to wonder what Iran might have become had it not been subjected to Islam.
@@maxb9315 regarding the infrastructure in gulf states, yes that’s where I agree. Like I said the west made the worst possible Islamic allies with the gulf monarchies essentially propping up citizens who do not feel the need to innovate due to security from fossil fuels. I’ve seen inklings of advancement in UAE, and whether the gulf and especially Saudi’s promise to create a nation less reliant on oil and a deeper focus is STEM in the coming decades is yet to be seen. I’m just saying the West could’ve made Islamic allies with regions that were historically important to civilisation as a whole, like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, which were the seats of great empires post or pre islam, I mean the House of wisdom, a major Abbasid caliphate academic institution that expanded Greek and Indian knowledge was in Baghdad and St.Augustine, the guy who basically shaped Early Western Christian Theology was from Algeria for crying out loud. Instead they’re allies with these ultra-conservative desert states that had basically a nomadic culture all their life prior to the discovery of oil.
I Don’t think I’m overstating the impact of Western imperialism, sure colonialism ended long ago but and military campaigns are still going on regularly. Pretty much all the countries invaded by US and NATO forces these past few decades have been struggling to get back on their feet, made even worse by the fact that the ones in the Middle East are still ongoing. I mean sure I hate Is lamic terrorism as much as the next guy and I’m not trying to downplay the lives on innocent people but the amount of civilians dying from Is1amic terrorism in the West is minuscule compared to civilian deaths in the campaigns.
And sure Nigeria is doing pretty good for itself, but what about the other 50 plus countries created by Europe through the Scramble for Africa? How are they doing? Heck, how is Nigeria doing in the rural areas? You’re telling me colonialism was primarily benevolent endeavour? Remember the Rwandan genocide, how two ethic groups who have been living together for god knows how long up until the Europeans came and caused an artificial class and labour separation that devolved into mass slaughter? Remember King Leopold and how vicious he was to the Congo people? Remember freakin’ apartheid in South Africa? Sure we can pull up examples of how advancement was brought upon a nation through colonialism but a lot of suffering came along with it. An example of a good relationship between a colony and a colonisers off the top of my head is Malaysia and UK, who helped them fight against Japanese occupation, communist insurgency and achieve peaceful diplomatic independence and helped them achieve a fairly stable and strong economy today (not without its fair share of problems such as ethnic tensions caused by policies from the British, mind you). But they’re an outlier, more often than not the relations between the two types of nations is really really rocky and often end in a war for independence (or worse). These are much easier to point out, Indonesia and the Dutch, Philippines and Spain, UK and India, Mexico and Spain, France and Haiti, France and Algeria, heck most of africa descended into conflict one way or another. These colonies ended up not as developed. Some nations that weren’t even colonised (but still faced European influence) managed to develop and industrialise quite fine through diplomatic strategies, namely Thailand and Iran managing to achieve a human development index similar to that of Malaysia. I’m just saying it’s kind of dumb and cruel to justify colonialism with technological advancement when you can achieve similar results without the need of subjugating a nation to do your bidding, you know more of a mentor and student-like role and not a master and slave. Instead of the parasitic nature of colonialism we could’ve helped developing nations while gaining rare resources and wealth through more symbiotic and peaceful commerce approaches, like today. Idk I guess you live and you learn?? But something tells me those old colonisers didn’t need to learn it the hard way.
And about Iran, without Islam, it probably would’ve turn out the same way it did today. I mean the attempted coup to maintain the petrodollar was strictly a political and economical motive in nature. It doesn’t matter what or how many Gods the Iranians believed in, they would’ve still been (rightfully) pissed at the West and the revolution would still happen. Those Iranian college kids would’ve still did that hostage thing with the diplomats most likely. They used religion to establish an anti-western, strictly Persian identity. Just replace Islam with Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism as much I know about it is very similar to the Abrahamic faiths, some historians believed it to even influence early Jews. Maybe I guess they’re clothing would’ve been more colourful? Lol
According to a book by Bernard Lewis, 'What went wrong ', 'For centuries the world of Islam was the forefront of human achievement-the foremost military and economic power in the world, the leader in the arts and science of civilization..'
Arabic Numerals was originally from India, propagated by Arabs to west.
Only the number zero is from india.
The decimal system and the shapes of the numbers today were made by a Muslim scientist called "Al-Khawarizmi" he also made algebra and algorithms.
@@Ya39oub_G oh! Yeah! Indians were counting only with Zeros.
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Like the Roman numerals Indians had their own system and the Muslims took the zero because it was a new concept
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Also, Al-Khawarizmi was not Arab he was from Uzbekistan but his work was written in arabic because that was the language of science at that time.
dude, out of ALL the the islamic historical character, you chose al ghazi to say this about?
Is he even serious?
Who Nobel Prizes are awarded to is a bigger reflection on the organisation than the nations represented.
Y'all really gotta check mathematics in the Vedas to see everything described before anyone started to conceive what mathematics is.
At last. 🙂✊
Just so you know there lived ancient sumerians aka Mesopotamians, Ancient Egyptians who were pioneers in mathematics much before vedas were written (Vedic Period)
He is trying give an impression that I know better methods of understanding history than historians themselves!😂
Of course he is and its reallity
Still it is better than being an apologist and claiming knowing science better than scientists
Neil feels bad for Bush for saying things not true about the naming of the stars. I feel bad for Neil for saying incorrect things about Ghazali. You are blaming the wrong guy.
Neil is also saying incorrect things about Bush. His actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion, delivered from a mosque. Turns out Tyson confused Bush's eulogy for the Space Shuttle Columbia astronauts with his 9-11 speech.
So much of what this man says is addled and wrong.
Ghazali is a theologist, take IBN Sina, Al-razi, Aljawahiri and you get the foundations of science.
There are a lot of modern Arab Inventors such as Algerian Belkacem Habba who invented 1600 tech inventions SD Card, Flash Disk, Playstations but Media don't talk about them because they are dark brown with no colored eyes.
Just about everything Tyson says in the above video is wrong. It is entertaining to watch Mohammed Hijab's video: Muslim schools Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Tyson's account of president Bush's 9-11 speech is also completely wrong.
Is Belkacem Habba a Muslim?
@@HopDavid Yes
Bismillah Hir rahman nir raheem
Always begin your day with Fajr prayer and Ayat AL KURSI.
READ QURAN EVERYDAY AND NEVER IGNORE YOUR FIVE DAILY PRAYERS
As an arab and someone who entered this field I can tell you this, it is not about not venturing into the scientific field but it is the fear of repercussion from others.
We did have many discoveries but it was never really ours over the past 11 years I have been in this field, if we did discover something(s) usually someone else takes it away from us through "Legal" means. Simply I am not here to complain, if it benefits others we all share the pleasure of success in the end.
Last point I would like to share, our resources are close to nil no matter how "rich" we are as no one is willing to allow us to borrow research material unless we are in their own research centres.
As-salamu alaykum from America.
I’m sorry that happens. Humans are bad like that sometimes. I don’t have an answer. But I thank you for your contributions brother. Be well.
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I used to look up to this guy once but now seeing how he sees Muslims is just absolutely poor and kinda sad seeing someone successful like him looking at Muslims like this
He's not wrong though. You just have hurt feelings because you can't handle the truth...
"From the eighth to the fifteenth centuries, the Islamic civilization was the center of global progress. In contrast, no one can seriously contest today that the Muslim world is in a state that could only with kindness be called stagnation. It is militarily and economically weak, scientifically comatose, technologically living off infusions from the West, and politically plagued by tyrannies. Many in both the West and within the Muslim world have come to ask whether Islam is compatible with modern ideas.
In this paper we shall examine the sources of the apparent conflict between Islam and the rule of law, democracy, and the rights of women. We shall argue that there are basic universal values shared by the modern West and the scriptural Islam and that the perceived conflict of civilizations is due to the degree to which both most Westerners and most Muslims have entangled evolved cultural notions with their basic values systems.
We shall propose that that the resolution of these issues requires an unflinching commitment to the application of critical thought to questions of religion and global policy in order to disentangle cultural notions from fundamentals. Finally, we shall outline the ground rules consistent with both Islamic teachings and Western liberalism under which the constructive interactions between the modern West and the Muslim East may flourish allowing both to progress peacefully while maintaining their cultural integrity. In addition to a dialog between civilizations, an honest dialogue within civilizations is required."
www.minaret.org/gd.pdf
@@jirenthegray2904 What do you mean I have hurt feelings he is basically saying that our religion is dumb and had ruined everything, we have our own beliefs and we have our own rituals and history and the fact that you people can't respect that or see it in a biased view is just disgusting. How would you feel if I told you that your race has ruined everything and lost connection to the modern world, who wouldn't feel hurt about that?
He said nothing against Islam, he just spoke a truth that happened in history.
@@user-xm5le5ok2r But the way he said it was not only hurtful, it was insulting. If you want to speak the truth you don't start with something negative, he started with the 9/11 attack, if you were a student and I was to teach you about the history of Germany and I started with World War 2, would that bring to you (a non-german student) a good image of Germany? No, just like that he is explaining or starting the golden age of Islam in a bad way and that is not it, in his "statistics" he made it look like Muslims despite being large dont have that many "Nobel-price winner" which in about itself sounds wrong to compare two cultures based on something completely different but anyway by his logic there are 15 million Jews and 25% of them won the Nobel price and compare that to Muslims, who are 1.4B in the world and only 0.5% won the Nobel Price but if you were to look at how many number of people won the Nobel Price then you will get a different and accurate answer, 25% of Jews won the Nobel Price so that is 3,750,000 Jews and if you look at Muslims that is 7 million Muslims who have won the Nobel price so if you were to look at his logic Muslims are still on top in the science category or at least on top of the Jews in this category which either means that he was trying to bring us a bad image of Muslims or was looking at it in a wrong way, and also some of his information is vague regardless he could've made this look so much better and prove his point in an understandable and in a non-provoking way, but he didn't.
Afraz Mohammed First of all dude, you missed the points of what he was trying to state:
1. Our President after 9/11 made a mistake about the God who Muslims, Christians, and Jews serve. We all serve the same God, but a different name.
2. Islamic leaders in the 11th and 12th were once the lead in astrology, algebra, mathematics, medicine, and engineering. Many of the stars in space have Islamic names.
3. Hamid-Al Ghazah a Muslim scholar brought “a change” to that Golden Age. He banned the manipulation and study of numbers, which lead to higher learning and critical thinking, he said it was evil. Therefore, the Golden Age of advanced learning ended in Islam. He wasn’t putting down Islam. He was just making mention to the change that happened in history. Neil even mention how a period in history were St. Augustine a Christian leader “introduced an idea and belief” to Christian followers that had nothing to do with God, resulting in many people being murderer.
4. It’s ironic with a large population of Islamic followers, to this day you don’t have many Muslims receiving the Nobel prize. Why? Because of an erroneous belief about technological advancements implemented by an Islamic leader. It affected the contributions of Muslims in scientific advancements in our world in many ways.
In conclusion, Neil was not putting down or degrading Islam. He was making it clear that leaders can enforce a belief in any group that results in a major loss for many generations.
Just think about this, what advancements for humanity have been taken to the grave of many followers of Islam who have lowered their thinking to this belief.
Neil was making a point how he hurts what society has missed out on from the contributions of what could had been if this belief had not been enforced in Islam.
“Dude, get the chip off your shoulders and see and hear what Neil was really saying.”
I will say this myself: Leaders throughout history from all religions have implemented laws and beliefs that have nothing to do with God.
Hey Tyson, does airline fuel burn at a temp hot enough to melt steel?
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Well.
To be fair, its the environment shape the people around them most of the case.
Back then during the Golden Age of Islam.
I doubt there is other civilization can top them at that time (based on history).
While Europe having the Dark Age because of 'Faith'.
I would say Golden Age of Islam because of 'Faith' as well.
But i not doubt that other civilization might contributed to the Golden Age as well for example greek as there were a lot of books that were translated to Arabic just so they can learn it. It shows that those guy during that time really embrace the word of 'knowledge is power'.
The fall of Islam Age started by the fall of Uthmaniyah in Turkey imo.
And every fall of empire, started by their leaders.
And just a thoughts, I bet if Noble Prize started way before century, those 'award' might be topped by muslim/middle east and greek as Europe hardly has anything prior to renaissance.
Well said!
Religion is a double edged sword lol, On one hand a authoritative dogma, on the other a progressive and developmental kickstarter
@Abraham Gibran The golden age scholars pushed rational thinking out of faith in Allah.
Just because you are religious and faithful doesn't mean rational thinkin g eludes you
Empiricism and faith are in two separate realms. There is no faith within empiricism itself and there is no empiricism within faith. HOWEVER, you can engage in empiricism because of faith, which is what the medieval Muslim polymaths and scientists did. The Quran urged us to study the universe and all within it.
I disagree with that. During golden age people with different faith is welcomed for knowledge. But in current state they will be killed
Well, Dr. Tyson is an entertaining public speaker but sadly not all of his claims are not based on facts. He speaks half truths which gives a very distorted picture. Blindly following the common narrative, he oversimplified things. There are so many things that are inaccurate and misleading in this 8 min lecture. He is blindly repeating the claims of the classical narrative without fact checking and without bothering to read Ghazali’s Tahafut, which is available in full English translation along with original Arabic. It is not possible to list everything in a comment but consider a few points and facts.
Where does Imam Ghazali say “mathematics is the work of the devil”??? On the very contrary Ghazali says there is no sense in denying logic, mathematics, geometry and mathematical sciences like astronomy (page 11 of Tahafut translation). He also says it is foolish to oppose mathematical facts in the name of defending religion. He makes a clear distinction between mathematical facts and philosophical ideas.
Dr. Tyson, did you actually read Tahafut? Full English translation is available along with original Arabic. Do you know Imam Ghazali’s purpose for writing that book? Do you know his methodology? Do you know that out of 20 specific doctrines for which Imam Ghazali argues philosophers failed to establish their case, modern cosmology has definite answers for the first two questions? Do you know that modern cosmology proved Imam Ghazali was right and philosophers were wrong? Please check this out. You will be amused.
Golden age of Islam was a much longer period that lasted into 15th-16th centuries. For example, Islamic scholars such as al-Tusi (1201-1274) and Ibn Shatir (1304-1375) whose works were directly used by Copernicus (1473-1543) came well after Imam Ghazali and Mongol invasion of Baghdad. Do you know about the connections between Islamic scholars and Copernicus that were discovered by modern researchers in History of Science that were discovered in 1950s and 1970s? Do you know that the golden age of many scientific disciplines in the Islamic World was after the 13th century? For example, Miftah al-Hisab (Key to Arithmetic), one of the most important math books of the Islamic Civilization, was written in the 15th century by the brilliant mathematician al-Kashi?
Yes, we can still criticize Imam Ghazali but let’s do that in a more fair way, not such a superficial way that is not based on facts.
No, Muslim scholars did not discover 0, nor did they “fully exploited discovery of zero”. [He says this in another similar lecture] By the way “Arabic numerals” are not really Arabic. They originated from India. Muslim scholars always called them Indian numerals.
Do you know that religion played a key role in the remarkable rise of sciences in the Islamic World? Do you know that many of the medieval Islamic scientists were authorities in both religious knowledge and scientific disciplines?
Do you know that the Muta’zila doctrine which was supposedly responsible for starting scientific inquiry in the Islamic World led to the Mihna period (833-847) which was anti-intellectual.
I highly recommend that you read experts like G. Saliba, D. King, W. Hartner, E. Kennedy, N. Swerdlow, O. Neugebauer. Check out the materials on this page (digital.kenyon.edu/mathislamds/)
that are based on primary source research.
Nice try.
so he basically downgraded the viewpoint of white colonial wars on the muslims and destruction of islamic libraries by the mongols and went with his biased viewpoint, further claiming that there's barely any muslim who won the noble prize. May I ask how many black people have won the noble prize?
Well this guy is quite embarrassing
Abdul Wasi great observation
Well why? He gave you some free insights. Maybe raise your future generations to be more scientifically inclined? Rather than being defensive
@@hui975 well they are many muslim scientist in rnd. Its just they are not sensationalise like this guy. Also using a noble prize measurement are quite laughable really. Why dont he include the statistic of black people noble prize, chinese, indian when the latter 2 also have 1+ billion people too. Face it, noble prize is just a tool to feed western white man ego..