Everything About Superchargers | FRS BRZ 86
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2018
- Here's everything you should know to Supercharge your FRS, BRZ, or 86.
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I drive a Jeep. Idk why I'm here. Still liked the video.
Gary Brittleboon sane dude I’m trying to get rid of mine
🤚🏼 same
Me either bruh
Same
I dont even drive a car
I think with adding all the HP, they should inform people about the transmission and what HP it can handle. Seems like there are a lot of questions surrounding this subject.
well the automatic gearbox seems to be really strong
A clutch upgrade may be needed
Butter Finger if you upgrade the clutch, make sure you upgrade the clutch for as well to a forge fork. The Oe Fork can not handle the stronger pressure plates and will break or shatter!
I had an auto Toyota 86 with cat-back, supercharger, and an ecu tuned on the dyno. I got it to 300whp but detuned it to 280 to give me peace of mind (tuned on 98 octane). It wasn't a garage queen but I wouldn't say I thrashed it. Drove it hard enough to enjoy it, but not enough to wreck it. Lasted about 70,000km with no problems before I sold it. I would 100% recommend the supercharger mod despite how expensive it is. It'll never be a WRX or M3 killer, but at least you won't have to downshift and floor it every time you want to overtake or pull out on the freeway. I could've sworn the engine thanked me for not revving it out to go fast anymore too.
@@ing8404 you're crushing a wrx with 280 whp bruh
I was wondering if this video was ever gonna come! Thank you guys
I have a sprintex intercooled system installed in my car. Pretty happy with it - I got it for the whine and the reliability, and it has not disappointed on those fronts so far.
motomusiq hey man I’m thinking about getting it as well mind answering some of my questions?
Why must the power figures be listed in different units? +50 hp here 240 there 50% increase here. Just keep it the same!!
revans425 I agree! Redo the video!
Indeed, very confusing.
Why is this a big deal?
Haddi Taha when I am trying to compare power figures between different turbos I shouldn’t have to convert each one to additional power gains or something. It is as if they are trying to hide how bad the weak ones are
revans425 fair point
Well I can vouch for this company. I have a 2016 FRS with the HKSV3 supercharger and all the supporting much to go with it plus more. I even went so far to have them to you in the car. My nearest Ecutek tuner is about 200 miles away and Graham has done an excellent job. Don’t know the exact horse power of my vehicle but should be netting around 250 with stock internals. I have spent thousands of dollars with this company and will continue to this is been one of the best guides I’ve seen for supercharger yet
So HKSV3 is the go-to supercharger? I just want something without turbo lag and has a significant power boost.
+1 for the rotrex. Threw it on my v6 with some e85 and came out with 484whp @11psi w/ a C38. Not bad for just 11 psi and a nice 260whp increase over stock
You guys really know your stuff I will definitely be buying things for my Brz here in China
Have been waiting for this one
Since when though?
Awesome video! Learned a bit today 👍🏼
Nice video. Good comparison of the options.
Just saw the turbo vid, i’m sold
Had no idea Cosworth did blowers. My engine was built by Cosworth. I need a matching blower now lol
informative, concise, striaght to the point.
I love this video I watch it way too much
I can't decide sprintex or hks v3. Sprintex easy install, twin screw, and nice charger sound.
Hks japan quality, with fuel kit more powerfull and I can find every piece of it even after 5 years from japan. Pffffff
Been waiting!
Wow amazing video, very informative. Hope you supercharge the 2022 BRZ at some point as well.
SC rule! Thanks for giving the best FI systems on the planet their place in the spotlight. =D
It's all about the power delivery for me. Peak #s aren't as important with that stoopyd turbo lag. =P
Not enough info on fuel consumption and potential issues with increasing the HP.
Damn, look at the size/weight difference. I’m happy as hell with my Vortech. I don’t do a lot of track, but still find plenty of use for my vortech. Right now mine is making 250 whp and 205 torque, Until tomorrow when I go Flex fuel. I was quoted an extra 60 to 80 hp on E85 with having the vortech.
Lmao I don’t know anything about cars but I’m here for the wine
Can you do a video about both? I wanna see how an 86 looks with both super and turbo
I would hope that you guys would know not to push it past 300 without forging the internals 270 to 280 is your safest mark on stock internals
8ight-6ix Brandon It’s a bit of a subjective area, many professionals are going near 400 on stock engines however you’re right and people should consider internals to play it safe when entering the mid or higher 300whps.
Burako Shimazaki I know what you're talking about I think there's just a lucky few that get away with it but I wouldn't risk it especially with 12.5:1 compression on an aluminum block
False
Woe then please enlighten us oh wise one
270-280 whp sounds about right, but even then the tune has to be top-notch considering how fragile the FA20 is :/ I think the people that’ve pushed past 300 with zero problems have either amazing luck, or amazing tuners lmao
Nice and short but really detailed, thanks a lot for the great vid.
As usual excellent video guys!!! Keep it up! 😊😊
When you drive an FRS it’s always high revs man. Gotta go Centrifugal! Nice vid!
FRS JAKE i went Sprintex... love it
FRS JAKE hold on, the high revs rule is only for the stock vehicle, if you put a twin screw it's going to gain a faster acceleration at low rpms, that's exactly why you want a supercharger!
@@LinkinPark4Ever1996 yah, if you just want to rev high, buy a RX-8 or S2000 and get that 9k+ redlines going on. For the majority of people for the majority of driving, a twin screw for the low end torque increase is the way to go; you only lose a bit up top while gaining more down low.
Question, why would you go centrifugal instead of a good turbo if you want high end power?
Also good note if getting a supercharger or even turbo GET A LOWER COMPRESSION STROKER KIT
Thank you.
question relating to Centri-superchargers (more specifically the Rotrex SCs), can you position the Throttle body infront of the SC like most people do with the roots/twin screw SCs, or do you HAVE to put it after the SC like in turbos? my questioning for this is to reduce the need for a BOV (which i have seen a lot of people running a BOV with the Rotrex when the TB is after the SC)!
Are your quoted figures based on the rest being stock? stock exhaust etc?
What’s a good reliable twin screw s/c all of these he mentions seem decent
Yesss finally
Can the stock transmission handle that boost from a turbo or supercharger or should i get a new transmission clutch
how was the hp/torque with these superchargers using stock high compression vs low compression pistons?
a video for poor people please ❤️
STi sticker will give you 20hp
Used mustang
Do you do superchargers/turbo installs?
What injectors and fuel pupm do you recommend if we pass the 300hp barrier?
Car noob here with a (probably) dumb question. Would it be possible to fit both a cold air intake and a supercharger into the FR-S’s engine bay? I have my eye on an Injen cold air intake that seems to function as a short ram intake (at least from what I’ve read). I’d like to start with that before I move on to making more power, but I figure it would be nice to add both.
What about a supercharger for the others 2.0i engines like the regular Impreza
This got a wee bit full of numbers for me. If I was aiming for around 250whp, smooth accelration/torque curve and mainly for highway use. Are there any suggestions?
Need a 50 state legal. Live in Cali, which super changer or turbo should I go with?
Does the whine still persist when cruising on the highway? Id like the occasional whine but Im worried if its always there especially if im not accelerating.
any whp dyno figures of the c38 jsrc with the CARB legal tune?
Do you make shift knobs for the automatic
Am James from Kenya, and was wondering if it could be possible to install the supercharger to my Subaru legacy bm9
Is it bad to use a FMIC with a positive displacement S/C? What are the drawbacks of doing so?
How reliable is this setup in the car?
Question.
Can I install a positive displacement supercharger with ITBs?
For the edelbrock super charger when you say 242 hp, do you mean that it will add 242 hp to the cars already 200hp? Equally 442? Or do you mean 242 total hp? Sorry I’m a little confused
Pretty sure, higher psi in any application means that you need to retune your ecu. More air requires more fuel... Unless OFT has a feature that I don't know about.
Finally 😏
my 98 Impreza rs has the Ej25 NA engine, can any of these supercharger work on it? looking to make 230 or so at the wheels.
Is it possible to add nitrous with a supercharger?
How does the different chargers influence the fuel consumption?
I like how no one even bothered to answer this important question
it doesnt affect the fuel consumption but you will probably want to go faster so theres that
Does anyone know if edelbrock has a smaller pulley option?
boost videos best videos
I want to build a gt86 that can be a fun daily and still be decent at the track would centrifugal or a twin screw be better ?
Steel Phoenix witch one did you go with
what happened to Cosworth SC? NLA?
Hi Thomas, I have a hks supercharger on my 86 but the car broke down recently. The belting from hks was then found broken, and the engine oil was leaking from the crankshaft seal. Are you familiar with any of these problems?
I know it's 5 years late but sounds like you have a crankcase ventilation issue with blowby from the added boost which is normal pushing out the crankshaft seals...you need to replace your pcv and add a catchcan or delete it and plumb the leftover pcv lines with a catch can set up pre supercharger to help keep crankcase pressures low...the delete part is a super old school solution that should work on most cars even today but I would still check and do some research to see the best options
I want to get the rotrex but I've heard terrible rumours of the c30 breaking, (impeller specifically) after less than a year of use and that the warranty system that kraftworks offers is a complete scam. So I think I'd just get a turbo.
Superchargers the way to go on a boxer engine. Pretty much most engines unless you're racing or chasing High Dyno numbers.
Im a noob to the car modding scene. What kind of supporting mods need to be done before slapping on a supercharger? Especially on the boxer i heard it doesnt handle boost very well?
Are you gonna do a video on those headlights???
Elian Galvez they did lol
I thought your next vid about fa24 is the same with fa20 by removing the pistons and rods
which one makes the loudest whine? Love the whine.
A child
Sprintex I think.
If you install a positive displacement supercharger vs the rest you will see its a day and night difference. The power is instant. There is no comparison. Alot of speed shops in australia refuse to install anything but harrop edelbrock cosworth type. The sprintex hks type the refuse to even look at them so the speed shops know something
Are forged internals necessary for supercharger upgrades? I drive a 2016 FR-S, and I keep hearing people talk about “forged internals if you want to add boost”, so I need some clarification on exactly what they are and how they benefit.
Same car, same year, and I'm itching for a supercharger, same concerns man
Which is the most reliable and which requires the least after install maintenance?
THorne H Edelbrocks blower has a 3 year warranty and has its own oil reservoir. It is known to have great reliability as with the JRSC. Honestly the only maintenance is oil and belts very infrequently!
Super Charger all the way, makes this car how it should be when it left the factory. Get my hks fitted in 7 weeks, cannot wait. Bye bye stock!!
What power numbers you looking to hit? I am torn between supercharger or going balls deep with forged internals and turbo, but more money of course aha
Hail No Hero Going for the HKS V2 supercharger and uprated clutch, takes it to 270bhp and no need to upgrade your exhaust, though i have an aftermarket one. With turbo you do have to upgrade the exhaust. I chose to go supercharger/ 1-easier to live with day to day 2-less maintenance 3- similar boost levels to turbo and can go past 270bhp with same supercharger if want to go down the forge route. 4- not many cars have superchargers unlike turbo they are everywhere so having a supercharger is more unique in my opinion and lastly 5- the power levels are more predictable than having a big turbo on and i love the noise a supercharger makes. Thanks mix✨🌟⭐️💫
@@012_ljk 270hp is at the wheels or the crank? The only power related upgrades I've done so far are exhaust (header-back) and CAI. No tune as yet. I recently got a chance to drive a turbo 86 and, honestly, I wasn't as impressed as I thought I was going to be. Don't know what kind of kit and/or tune the guy had though. Having said that, he did buy the 86 used and said "they used quality parts but installed them badly". Any chance of an update once you get your HKS installed and you've run it for a while? Peace.
I'm new to all this modification stuff but would it make sense to add a twin screw supercharger to gain low end HP and a turbo to take advantage of the exhaust for high end HP or would that make too much HP and blow the engine?
Jamie Machado too much compression. Engine wouldnt last long if youre going to be nailing that engine constantly
Twincharging, people do it but it’s very risky. Not worth doing on stock internals
Yeah the numbers on the sprintex were definantly just switch to e85
You mentioned that a supercharger can be run with a stock exhaust setup. How much will this affect performance? Could I still get 300+hp from a supercharger with stock headers, over pipe and front pipe?
All that is with stock exhaust and headers
The Vortec at the end
What a piece of crap, right?
Is it practical to add a supercharger onto an already turbo charged engine to prevent lag and add power
Don't know but it's called twin charging. Don't know if a stock brz engine could take that much boost tho
Is the Cosworth still available?
How much Boost/Horsepower gain can the stock Engine and Trans handle before needing a rebuild
The engine is roughly 300-350 hp with some supporting mods I'm not entirely on the transmission but I know its not the strongest of trans seen quite a few people rebuild/replace them when boosting theirs
How durable have you guys found the stock motor to be when running off a super? I'm getting a brz soon and fancy the roots blower, but I'm nervous about melting a piston or throwing a rod.
if you're worried about it get forged internals
Berenger Christy Were it that my funds were unlimited.
well then you're going to have to worry
Berenger Christy Or I could have gotten an assessment on how well the stock motor takes boost instead of useless smart ass comments.
But hey, you tried I suppose.
It’s safe as long as you don’t push past 280hp so that you won’t have to get forged internals. I’d say 260ish Hp would be safe
That dude in blue said it throws codes. Is there any Guarantee in hp gains as well as reliability till 300 hp
I've been running my Jackson Racing supercharger for over two year, and had it remote tuned by Delicious Tuning. I'm making 260 whp and 195 Torque at 11PSI. I've had no issues with my setup and taken the car to the track twice last year. I'll mention I do have supporting mods to keep the system reliable.
Not sure if I missed something was a tune optional for just bolting it on?
Brandon Inkel a tune is always required I believe but some come with one and others you have to tune yourself.
Is not optional to keep the engine safe.
Do all of these work on the 2017 86 models?
Cory Sanders I’m not them, but I’m gonna go out on a limb and say yes. So seriously, yes
Uhhh Yea is that with a custom tune or the OPF? Also, what fuel did you run with?
don't think so, researching one of them, maybe edelbrock, it isn't compatible but they are working on the update; that could've been an older article or whatever, but check with the manufacturer directly before making any purchase you might have to return ;)
You missed key points on how a centrifugal supercharger is far more efficient than a twin-screw supercharger.
A twin screw is far more efficient than a centrifugal and positive displacement means you have boost at all RPMs.
I do believe the edelbrock is actually a twin screw instead of a roots sc
I thought it used an Eaton TVS which I believe is a roots type SC
you might be right. I was following the build when it was just a concept and there was a lot of talk about it being twinscrew. I kinda lost track of it so I assumed they went along with the twin screw design.
Guys, I'm not boasting about the Camaro... I'm a bit confused. I have a '14 frs now, love it, and am considering pushing up the power. My previous was a '12 camaro SS (400 hp (factory) LS-1). [One Sunday morning some assh*** T-boned me and totaled it.] With a new K&N filter, racing headers, exhaust, and mufflers, a sweet cam and a genius tune I went up to 600 hp on the dyno and the tuner told me if I didn't mind a rough daily drive I could easily get 700. No turbo or supercharger anywhere. That's a 50-75% increase , normally aspirated, for $4300 (including labor), out the door. Is there something magic about that LS-1 small block as compared to the FRS I-4? Between $4-$5 K, or more, (parts only) for a 40% increase in power for the FRS? What am I missing here?
Big fan of the LS engines myself.
Your car didn't have an LS1 though, it was the L99 (if the 400 factory hp is accurate). Still awesome engine.
Also the Toyobaru twins have a flat-4 (H-4), not I-4.
To answer your question:
I believe it's that these cars (I currently daily an FR-S too and miss driving a V-8) come from the factory in a high state of tune already.
That's the problem with small-displacement engines.
A key here is "specific output," aka power per liter. The higher that is, the less room for improvement there is - the harder it is to squeeze out much more power.
It's like if your Camaro came from the factory with 620 hp NA from the 6.2L. How much more do you think you could get NA? Some, but not a ton. Just like the FR-S.
Alternatively, suppose the Camaro still had 400 hp, but from a 4.0L NA V-8 that revved to 7400. Essentially two FR-S engines. It would be the same as an FR-S - not a ton of room for added power without boost.
That's why there really is no replacement for displacement.
And your Camaro's massive power gain for not a whole lot of money is exactly why the GM small-block (namely the port-injection LS family) is so awesome. That plus how they sound, their relative light weight, low initial cost, reliability, modest fuel consumption, compact size... Lol
Anything for a 04 WRX
Sucks i have the 5 year warrant on my 86 .-. Cant do any performance mods until i have sometime with my car
Anosedsj It’s okay dude. Just be happy with what you drive and love the car stock. i wish i had one
I'm confused, if a linear superchargers generate the same boost across the rpm band, how does replacing the pulley and spinning it faster make it give more boost?
merkantelismo Spinning it faster forces more air into the engine. Cramming more air creates more pressure - that's the boost.
@@mightbesherwood1313 I think OP's question was that it spinning it faster via engine revving higher doesn't increase boost, why does spinning it faster via smaller pulley increase it?
To which I think the answer is that with increased engine revs, Yes, it shoves more air in, but since the engine is spinning faster, it's consuming more air too, and it evens out. With this type of charger.
He is saying centrifugal oddly. It is bugging me. But, good informative video.
How would you say it?
dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/centrifugal
Now, the more I listen to it, it isn't his pronunciation of the word, but rather the cadence of it and what syllable he is emphasizing. It isn't actually wrong, it just was sticking out because I hear the word at work a lot
@@FTspeed emphasis on the second syllable. Like "empirical."
Need to add the @RPM tho...
Just out of curiosity how much would a turbocharger ruin gas mileage
I would say it depends on tune as some manufacturers use forced induction to increase mpg; but in the end mpg comes down to environment (temps, hills, road surface, tire compound and pressure, etc), traffic (lights, stop signs, other people/gridlock, etc), and your personal driving habits (flooring it versus mild acceleration, coasting to lights instead of hard braking when you get close, keeping speeds as low as you can in as high as gear as you can without lugging it, etc).
I got 40.1 mpg on an interstate trip on a brand new automatic BRZ a friend bought. I've gotten almost 100 mpg in a Civic Hybrid from 2005 on an interstate trip. I've gotten 45 mpg in a 99 Accord sedan on an interstate trip. I've had an old Pontiac that got 9 mpg no matter how I drove it! ;)
So, drive calm, get more mileage, but most people are going to drive harder and probably see a 10-20% decrease minimum in mpg hearing the whine of a SC or the spool up and bov of a turbo. Had a Eclipse Sypder GS-T I couldn't tell you the mpg I got, but I could tell you I would spool it up and let it blow off that pressure A LOT lol
What should i put in my 2017 Gt86. Turbo or supercharger?
I don’t wanna go to mechanic every month or week. Which one have less cost after installation and have more power.
Turbo for easier maintenance. Supercharger for easier installation.
Kevin Du
I heard Supercharger belt not lasting after few months. I never tested anything yet. I'm beginner in this line.
Hulk banner I have the Jackson racing supercharger. Had it on for a year and had no issues. Building motor for 18psi. Runs great. Pulls hard. I love it and it's a cheaper option. Supercharger are not hard to upkeep at all. Haven't done anything since I put it on. Just make sure the belt isn't crooked on any pulleys. They make good power though.
Hulk banner follow the_white_onion_frs on Instagram to see the full build so far.
Logan Turner Thanks 👍
Did they stop making the cosworth super charger?
I think they did. I've been looking at all that too. I'm sure there's only a limited amount of them left 😭
Spoken to many workshops in australia that installs all kinds of superchargers for the brz 86 and they all said harrop superchargers or nothing
Over all how much is to full super charge a brz
Twice as much as half supercharging a BRZ and 4x as much as quarter supercharging an 86
So which twin-screw supercharger is the best here?
Edit: Example EDELBROCK it said add 242HP and 186TQ is it 200+242HP or from stock 200 to boost 242 and torque is 151lb.ft + 186lb.ft right????
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Why would you want high end power on track days? Isn't it better to have it instantly when your messing with turns?
at a track you're typically at the top end of the rev range, you downshift as you come out of the turns.
@@MLGKrazeR ok. I guess it all depends on the rpms in and out of the turns and what track it is.
@@naturalmystic5098 in racing situations you're usually keeping it in the powerband regardless of where that is on the tach.
On the street/ as a daily, though, it matters a lot more how much torque you get down low and in the middle.
Bagi satu mobil ft 86 nya bos yang bagus keren dan kencang
why can't you take both the turbo and the charger?
You technically could, I think it’s called twin charging. People use it to reduce the disadvantages of both boost methods. I’m no expert but I would think if you were to twincharge a stock 86 you would blow the engine pretty fast. Not to mention the complexity in the system since you have to have the supplementary components for both the supercharger and turbo charger.
when someone says sentri•fu•gul instead of sen·tri·fuh·gl I immediately discredit them...
how much for install?
diy