Best BRZ/FRS Turbocharger / Supercharger Kit | Tested
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- Опубликовано: 19 фев 2019
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The 2018 DSPORT 86 Challenge Presented by ENEOS is the ultimate forced-induction guide for the Toyota 86, Scion FR-S, and Subaru BRZ.
We tested five of the most popular forced-induction systems so you know which one is the right kit for your driving needs.
With our scoring system, you will know the strength and weaknesses of each forced induction system so you choose the right one for your 86/FR-S/BRZ.
Forced Induction Systems Evaluated:
HKS Turbocharger
GReddy Turbocharger
AVO Turbocharger
Vortech Centrifugal Supercharger
Edelbrock Supercharger
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Which one of these kits do you like the most?
love HKS !
once there was an hks turbo system for our yaris, we choose the blitz compressor because of : nring !
I would get hks or vortech but im to broke lol
😂😂
The one that cheap, quick to install and don't destroy the transmission afterward.....
2:00 greedy
3:08 hks
4:03 avo
5:02 vortec
5:58 edlebrock
Greedy please...!!!
Too bad you guys couldnt get a JRSC in there. When it comes to the SC options, its often between JRSC and Edelbrock
Thank you for a very informative video.
Goes straight onto topic without any unnecessary boring intro. Loved the attention to detail with using same tires, brakes, suspension too! Wish more videos were like this.
Big ups DSport 👍👍
I’ve owned a 2015 FRS, 2017 86, and currently the 2019 86 TRD SE! The boosted power question was always vague to me, turbo or supercharger. This video answered my questions with how I drive. Daily driving with launch capability. You know... from light to light! The Edelbrock supercharger was suggested to me by the parts department at the dealer! So Edelbrock is my choice for boost. Thanx guys!
ive owned the same cars lol
@@arenwelsh69 Yes they are that good, I have BRZ
I have 19 trd as well, thanks for your insight!
how was the edlebrock in the long run?
This test was so well done. Surprised at the thoroughness shown here. Great job guys!
Thank you Blake. It was a lot of work, but we're glad you see the value in it.
best 86 FI comparison video on youtube
Thank you for taking the effort to make this video possible, I was confused which one should I pick, I was interested with the hks turbo but seems like not many review on it, now ive found your video i think im going to get the hks😂
+Nab vK thank you 😊
We're glad we were able to help you with your decision.
Let us know how you like it when you get it.
Nab vK 15psi on stock internals will probably get you a SUPER fun 2 months before it blows up.
Have fun bending a rod. 16 psi into a motor that was not engineered for boost is a bad idea.
this is amazing! definitely earned my sub
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
So pretty much if you had to choose one , I'd put my money on the HKS kit , they got the best bang for your buck kit and they make some high quality parts
It's also A LOT of fun to drive.
DSPORT yep I got it on my BRZ and it feels incredible
Nope you get the HKS kit if you want a shitty power/torque curve. Also boosting to 16 psi on a high static compression motor = kaboom.
@@ethanlau279 which one would you get?
@@MrBatboy2667 GReddy bc rich duh
Would like to see how the sprintex supercharger compares to these.
what an awesome review!
What about the JDL turbo kit and PTuning turbo kit?
That's a pretty cool thorough video. However, I wish it included my JDL kit I just bought for sake of comparisons.
Awesome vid what fuel where these cars on?
Best comparison ever! Hard data! Loved it!
Thank you. We appreciate that.
These are all “okay” if you want a nice turbo kit I recommend the fbm stage one turbo kit. It’s 4K and rated up to 400 hp. Don’t push past 300 hp when tuning it until you build the fa20. Don’t wanna blow your engine.
nice video!
Y'all should do this 2021 version witg tge new updates pretty much every company has done.
Don't understand why the Sprintex twinscrew SC kit isn't tested here. I would've love to see comparison of all 3 types of SC (roots/Edelbrock, centrifugal/Vortech, twinscrew/Sprintex)
Wow this is really comprehensive! Didnt expect that, good effort.
Thank you so much 🙏
Dam im trying to save for that edelbroke or the vortech superchargers those things are amazing
I would like to see the scores side by side or listed in the description for a summary/overview. But this video was great. It was too bad one of them couldn't run.
Try this link...dsportmag.com/the-tech/showcase/the-2018-86-challenge-presented-by-eneos/2/
What do people think of the Sprintex kit?
Happy Thanksgiving guys.
I'm looking to add a SC to my BRZ TS. It has Tomei uel and e85.
Either Edelbrock V3 or HKS V3
Other than going for a drive, which I'm planning to do to compare, how are they different while daily driving?
Is the lag to reach rpm to create boost so noticeable or is it similar to remaining longer in gear to build up power from higher rpm?
Does the centrifugal SC feel more like NA than a Turbo charger but less than a pd SC? Are both pd and centrifugal close enough to NA so it doesnt matter or what is the difference in the driving experience?
Which one is quiter overall?
Thanks.
Jason
Wait, the HKS turbo’d model is a later model with a different final gear ratio and intake manifold. Doesn’t that matter in the time tests around the track?
Really curious how the stock block, rods, pistons and crank handles boost?
I have AVO Turbo Kit Stage 1 on my 2012 Toyota 86, it is making 297whp on Dynojet. Tuned and running at 9.4psi (0.65bar). It makes great exhaust note as well, video is in my channel.
What are the rims on the white 86? They’re gorgeous
AVO looks like the best tuned and most reliable (don't want to overdo things). Unfair disadvantage not being able to test properly. Look at the dyno graph.
Did you guys use the base tunes for these setups?
IT would be better if you add lap times onboard and upgrade clucth. Also iat and egt results after 5 laps so that we can see which one soaks heat less.
Rotex SC from Jackson Racing.
Greddy TC for turbo.
imo
How much power can the GR86 take without affecting longevity and causing issues with various components? Which one is the one used by Abbey Motorsport or is that a different supercharger?
Is the Srintex PD blower available for testing?
What about the Full Blown Motorsports kit?! They did like 600+ HP on stock internals with their kit. Not saying you should go that high but it has potential!
Hail No Hero that was first pull. It blew after the second
What suspension/wheel specs are these cars running?
which of these would wok on a 2013 or 14 model??
what about FBM, PTUNING, or the CRAWFORD kits?
Great video and review. None above 300whp? Guess I’ll have to build the engine and really get some power.
We've built 550whp BRZs, but that requires building and sleeving the block.
DSPORT any links?
@@stangalang11 There are tons of stories we have on these engines and different series. Here is a good one, but if you want more, just google DSPORT Magazine FA20. dsportmag.com/the-tech/education/stop-the-swap-club-dsport-extends-the-limits-of-the-fa20/
@@dsport it's just that it's disappointing to see such small gains. The engine's stock power is 205 it should crank out 400 hp with 15 psi of boost, not 250. Either the tunes were off or idk.
@@sarmatiancougar7556 The stock ENGINE power is 205. It puts down no more than 170 to the wheels. The 250-300 are WHEEL HORSEPOWER. These systems are capable of delivering more; however, we were on stock blocks, transmissions, etc. These are all conservative tunes.
Im looking at the vortek the one issue with any superchagter or turbocharge kit is the longevity
The edelbrock has an E85 module that make 320hp. That should be called out. I am not sure about the other solutions. It is also CARB certified.
I was wondering where ken Gushi’s driver seat went, I only bought his passengers seat. :)
Can we have a Dyno compare with all the curves on one graph?
It might be messy with all of them on one graph, but we'll see the best way to compare them all as close as possible. Thank you.
But do the superchargers heat soak tho
Which one give the better sound ? The loudest supercharge ?
Where’s JDL????? They make a Turbo kit and it’s really good, so I’m curious to see how it does against these!
I like the hks the best its cheap and it delivers the most power
hey were do u dyno u cars for the frs?
"Entry level", like buying a "starter home". Marketing people started that crap to keep us unhappy with what we have.
Agreed, and it seems to entirely ignore that there are vastly cheaper sporty options with tuning potential. I wonder if they realize or care that Honda Fits have a decent sport trim for the value, or that you could get Smart Fourtwos with manual or dual clutch auto transmissions. They will say that both of those are "underpowered" stock, but that doesn't matter after modifications are applied which is exactly what everyone does to 86s. Personally, I love my 86 and don't see a need to upgrade to anything more expensive in the future.
With the HKS being nearly identical to the Greddy, it seems like it needs more boost to make the similar hp.
Which kit would you suggest? I’ll admit to wanting the HKS.
I’m going HKs all the way, the only worry is that there’s no BOV on the kit
How about Jackson vs edelbrock what’s better
The Avo turbo kit looks the best under the bonnet, no big turbo showing for when the boy's in blue try to give you a canary.
Amen! I cant wait ! January 2020
Do you recommend an oil cooler with these setups? Did any of these cars have one?
Hey Yunus,
Yes, all of the cars in this challenge had an Oil Cooler kit from Mishimoto. We highly recommend adding an oil cooler once you introduce force-induction to your engine.
@@yunusmoorad1733 Our pleasure. Thank you.
are the hks turbo kit good for dayli and its carbon emissions legal?
They are fun for daily-driving. A tiny bit unpredictable, but once you're used to them, you'll have a blast. They are not CARB compliant.
How much to swap an STI motor?
What dyno did you use? because hp and torque numbers are incredible low, unless it’s just a conservative tune.
We used a Dynojet. It is a conservative tune since everything is factory except for cooling, brakes, coilovers, wheels and tires.
Where was the HKS supercharger? Well i will score it a 10/10 as my 86 has one installed and it goes like a dream.!
Have you Dynoed your 86 with the Supercharger? We're curious to know how much power it added.
DSPORT No i have not. Fensport at Cambridge installed and fitted the HKS V2 Supercharger and say its around 290bhp.
@@012_ljk That's pretty good!!!
Andrew Perry , sorry to hear that, maybe it was a faulty one you had, so far , it’s working fine, we will have to see how it goes, it does work hard, maybe turbo needed and forge the engine i may go down that road next year. Thanks for the heads up👍👊
Do the same but with 370z turbo kits...
Does turbo and supercharger play a role in drifting, if so what is best?
Pro drifters use either. It depends on preference and setup. A turbocharger or supercharger is just one element. How you like to initiate the drift, whether you're running nitrous or not, and many other factors play a role in choosing the better forced induction for your drift car. The complete setup and personal preference is the key factor, however. Both can work, and do work, extremely well for drifting.
A supercharger will be better if you start your drifts at the bottom of or rpm range by accelerating hard to break traction than slowly increasing acceleration to get through your corner, if you're more of a pull the hand break chaining drifts going wide open than a turbo will be better depends where your using your power range I personally prefer the lower range as it's a bit more controlled and if you ever start to lose control it's easier to get it back in a lower range
I got my avo version 1 kit for like 3k new a day before everybody started raising the prices on them
How is it so far? I got stage 2 last week - January 2020 delivery
@@Justin_Jnado How is your AVO kit running? how many miles on it? might buy frs with one with it.
why was jdl not an option?
Why the re-upload?
We added the boost to the dyno graph.
was these cars running stock ecu
Only the stock NA Toyota 86 was on the factory tune since we used it as our stock baseline. The rest all had to be tuned because of the turbocharger/supercharger.
what fuel? 91AKI? 93AKI? or Ron?
In terms of reliability would a supercharger be better than a turbo.?
When it comes to reliability, a tune can make or break your engine. Be sure to get a safe tune for whichever forced-induction system you purchase.
Doesn't Vortech advertise 294hp to the crank? That equates to 240~whp doesn't it?
On any supercharger system belt slippage can affect how much boost pressure is made. Perhaps when Vortech tested the system they had less belt slippage and made more boost. Or perhaps they had better fuel (not California 91 octane). It's hard to say why it made less than advertised. The important thing in this is that all of the numbers from our test can be compared since all cars were tested on the same dyno and the same fuel.
All stock motor?
Too slow? lol
Should have had JDL turbo kit and Kraftwerks supercharger
how much power the engine can handle?
In factory trim, the weak link of the FA20 is the connecting rods. The ultimate power handling capabilities of any engine is determined by a number of factors. In fact, it's not the power number but rather the cylinder pressures that eventually stress the parts to failure. Cylinder pressure is directly related to the torque output of the engine. In the case of the FA20 engine found in the FR-S/BRZ/86, the engines seem to have no issues living around 225lb-ft (at the wheels) with a proper tune that avoids detonation. Since a turbo isn't driven by the crankshaft, a number closer to 250lb-ft is probably the level where the stresses are equal. Since each dyno reads differently, the safety factor seems to be around 65-percent more torque output than the stock numbers with a supercharger. With a turbo, the limit is about 75-percent more torque at the wheels. What is that in horsepower? If the engine is producing 225lb-ft or 250lb-ft of torque at 7,000RPM, the power output is going to be about 300whp or 335whp, respectively. Going beyond this number begins to approach an area where the stresses and strains may lead to fatigue or about of the connecting rods. It's like bending a paper clip back and forth. You can do this for a while, but eventually the paper clip (or connecting rods) fatigue and fail.
@@dsport Hello, So should an engine be built before considering FI route? Or for long-term NA should it be built to prevent such engine weaknesses? Do you also offer engine rebuild services as well? My motor is only ~12k miles but I rather prevent something bad from happening than waiting for it. Thank you.
@@7eaven29 It's recommended when you go the forced induction route to build the engine. While you don't need to build it when you're running a safe tune, having a built engine will allow you to run more power while staying reliable. Yes, we do offer built engine packages at Club DSPORT for the FA20. You can call 714.593.0280 for more info.
Is the Garrett one good?
The GReddy one features a Garrett turbocharger. It is really good. That's the one that scored the highest in this challenge.
@@dsport thank u dear
The people complaining about 200 not being enough are the same people that turned their cars into salvage titles.
those hp numbers seem so low. i would think on 10psi you’d be getting closer to 300whp
You need headers and e85 to realize the full potential of the fa20. These tests are with stock headers
@@Synthwave89 looking at buying one with avo turbo already, what the danger of running e85?
I call it a sciyobaru gtr6
Pretty sad how easy it is to get about 300 whp from something like a EA888 Golf GTI, but so hard to make power with this flat-4.
Lifted_Above welcome to the subaru life. 😂
Who'd knew that a factory forged motor that's also turbo'd would make more power than a high compression pancake motor that's made of cheese 🤔.
@@turnip5465 Hahahaha. I guess outside of Porsche, some say the boxer engines are an old technology that bears no real use today outside of an airplane.
@@exothermal.sprocket meh for what they are they're pretty solid with turbos but NA Subaru boxers are well.. they're not exactly Hondas
I'll take half a 5.3 "kit" . ..oh , plus turbo .
fell short, Didn't even have all the FI systems.
such discordant editing and info delivery @_@
We're sorry to hear that.
Is there anything specific you're referring to, or anything we can do to improve?
5-6k ouch
20-25k for a used 86 and 5k+ for turbo...or just get the new 2022 model for 30k.....
so....what about them head gaskets?
Honestly, I'd rather wait for the next gen 2.4 L, if they actually do it.
And that's a big IF. Check out what we do with the FA20 in our machine shop (Club DSPORT). Here's a link for an example: dsportmag.com/the-tech/education/stop-the-swap-club-dsport-extends-the-limits-of-the-fa20/
Drive the supercharged one and you will through the turbocharged one off a cliff even if its faster its beyond boring
No matter how much you turbo or supercharge it, its still a BOXER engine which i don't like. Yes the BRZ looks really good with a nice set of wheels, but that engine is a NO for my taste.
I can’t believe how low on horsepower these cars are so you’re telling me even the Ford small eco-boost motors produce more horsepower and torque that’s crazy
ripfletching mustang ecoboost is 2.3L. These are high compression 2.0s. The low compression version of this makes 268HP in the WRX and the 2.4L version in the upcoming STI will probably make upwards of 350.
DSPORT I just watched your video a few times in a row and I agree with the comment by disco Becky. My comments are not meant to offend and hopefully will help you with future production. Here are some detailed impressions. Overall, the pace of this video was far too fast. The narrator was going through the script so quickly that I watched the video several times to hear salient points clearly. The transitions were too quick on the graphs that you displayed, and I would argue there was too much information on those pages. You could have spread things on to multiple screens of data, and if you slowed the overall pace of narration, the extra screenshots of data results would be much easier to digest. This is the first video I have watched of your channel, but I think this is also reflected in your thumbnails and titles for videos. There is just too much information. It should be easier to glance at a thumbnail and title and know the subject of the video. I think you’d get more hits and views if you trimmed the titles in a focused manner. I really do wish this video had better/slower pacing. My gut says this should have been a ten- to fifteen-minute video. Maybe twelve minutes would be the sweet spot. I dunno, but it is unfortunate, as this video does hit a pertinent subject. Love the content/dislike the way the content was delivered. Also, the video clips were disjointed as disco Becky pointed out. I’d say the video clips chosen were random and choppy - just not long enough to develop a feel of the subjects being discussed at the dame time. Does that help? Maybe having someone independent of your company/group reviewing your content as you develop it would be helpful? Keep making videos, as you definitely have an interesting take on things. I like the balanced comparison. But editing content changes would greatly help. Do consider letting your content “breathe”. This video, while full of useful info, just felt rushed.
It works for me...you can pause or go back if you missed something. Too many videos are needless filler and random nonsense.
So 6-8k for kits that only bring you 20-60 hp above advertised lol 😂 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️.
stock brz's average around 155-165 whp, 205 at the crank.
You're actually looking at 70-110 whp over stock, that's a MASSIVE difference in a 2700 pound car.
Noob Hustle not for that price your insane to pay that meanwhile just get a s2k or genesis and call it a day lol 😂.
Brandon Wright i would agree if all you’re after is more power you should buy a different car for sure, I’m on my second 86 and wouldn’t trade it for anything else.
Noob Hustle what I mentioned before is a list of cars that are reliable nice and far more exciting in just about every manner then the BRZ FRS 86 the Pontiac solstice GXP/sky redline Genesis 2.0T or any Gen S2K I just think for the price and how slow and unchanged the FRS BRZ 86 is not worth it hell the Chrysler crossfire with manual trans Is far more excited price to hp to pucker factor lol.
Brandon Wright I agree with you on the s2k but not the genny. My friend has a genny and we race for fun and he ain’t much faster than me. I beat him for a few seconds and then he beats me in the higher gears due to his turbo. Trust me once I go turbo, he is staying in my rear view mirror 😂 power to weight ratio.
Good lord... 6K for 250whp... that's absurdly expensive. I have a 335i and installed a Pure stage 2 high flow kit for 4K. boosting from 270whp to 620 whp... almost three extra engines of power for 4k.
... a 335i new from the factory retailed for 12k more than a BRZ/86. That's a huge difference in price to begin with. Second, the price of a turbo kit for a car that doesn't have an intercooler, tubing, etc will be higher than the price for a car that already has turbos. A lot of your old turbo parts can be reused.
And you already had twin turbos, why did you bother with a high flow kit? You could have just flashed the ecu for 50-100 more HP out of that strait six.
@@redlion145 - Twin turbos stock 335i are only 300 crank 265 wheel. with MHD tuning only and FBO add ons, you can get 420whp.
You wrote that I could have 100 more hp... well I had almost 200 whp more than stock tune with stock turbos and MHD tune. So you are a little behind.
High Flow Pure Turbos currently yield 620whp...so yeah, there's that. And if you haven't ever driven a car with over 600whp...then you won't understand.
There is no way you can even get close to that power in a maxed out brz even if you spent 10K. You literally have to take out the engine and redo the internal so you can add on super insane turbos to make that much power. And if you did that... you might as well have bought an M car.
Again... this BRZ /Scion platform is too expensive to modify and get any decent power.
@@matreyia 335i will never drive and handle like the lighter gt86 platform. E30 comes close to gt86 driving feel.
@@reinhart482 - Actually, my e93 335i with upgraded m3 suspension drove much better than the gt86. I test drove a brand new one because of all the fancy talk and was going to trade it to get 'better' handling and boy am I glad I test drove that toyota before selling my 335i. That gt86 has no chance against my car. This thing is on rails.
@@matreyia yes I have driven several e90 335i and m3s, and they do have high performance numbers. My original point was heavier cars can’t replicate the light nimble driving experience of smaller cars. My 87 325is felt similar to how light and fun the gt86 is. I recently drove a 300hp supercharged frs and it was so much fun!
What the fuck? 15psi?? That motor is done for.
So much money for 50-80 whp 🤕.
You can get 2x as much on a civic for $1000. How does that make sense?
But turbo cars are boring
missed so many better superchargers.... video fails
Heard so much bad shit about avo. Meh
Should've bought a V8 instead...
They are all worthless upgrades for the cost and power increment... 👎
Brandon Geis these are most likely done with manufacture recommendations. most of forced inductions kits can easily get you over 100+ whp and torque.
Yet u have a honda
I heard it doesn't matter what you spend on this car, still slow.
Hi, i got confused when the speaker was comparing them...so which ones are carb legal again?
The Vortech and the Edelbrock are CARB Legal.
DSPORT thank you for the response. Busy dad with kids, I don’t have time to take things apart and put it back every two years for smog test.
@@bennyang8049 Totally get it!! It's a big job too.