The Move That Changed My Golf Swing Forever
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The Move That Changed My Golf Swing Forever
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This is it! I've been hitting countless buckets of golfballs at the range fighting a slice for basically forever. I've watched a million videos telling me to get the club in the slot to stop winging outside in and this finally made it make sense as to where the heck I was supposed to have the golf club and how my body was supposed to move to get it there. I went to the range with this in mind, did the baseball swing and I was absolutely hammering my driver and my misses were hooks! HOOKS!? I am so freaking amped right now. Thank you.
Took this shit to the range yesterday and was absolutely murdering my driver and hitting my irons 20 yards further. I am now officially a fan of this guy 😂
Clays delivery and explanations on tendencies are the Best! I am hooked!!
So I just watched this yesterday and before I couldn’t hit my driver’s right, took this out to the driving range and I’m hitting straight line , lifting the ball almost every time, I’m a beginner who just started and this is crazy good, I’m getting the membership real soon, thank you very much Clay outstanding instructions !
another clear outstanding video. You do a great job of communicating the key points - Thanks!
That is the best explanation of the downswing thru impact I have ever heard! Thank you!!!
Glad it was helpful!
I know you've heard this kind of comment before, but-- this thought of getting the shaft parallel to my right forearm-- has been a complete game-changer for me. I'm now crushing all my clubs, getting compression and distance. Today I hit one drive 252 and hit 3W 272! Seriously, 272 with 3W! (with the wind.) I still pull shots a little, but not much. I have great confidence in my ball striking now. I'm 69 yrs old. Thanks, Clay!
Awesome! Glad to hear it. Keep up the good work and keep crushing it!
Watched a lot 25 + vids by clay this winter and I just now got to try my new driver (not new xr16 pro- used) with clays teaching on a course. First tee piped 300 yards. Last year I was 180 with a 60 yard slice.
Clay, you’re tops thx! This is quite possibly the best golf instructional video I’ve ever seen (no youngster either). My problems were exactly what u were saying. In fact, I took a lesson and the pro told me to have a higher backswing?? Naturally frustrated cuz I was worse off, I saw ur video. Nine minutes later after watching and a large bucket, I started with half swings like u said. Went well and let me say. Yesterday, I was all over the range. With ur help, today I’m sure I hit at least 80% straight and where I was aiming!! What a difference a day makes. Thank you sooo much!
Lefty in NS, Canada
Hey, so glad to hear it helped!
I was steep coming in like a alot of players. This explanation of how to shallow helped me alot.
Glad it was helpful. Play well!
Outstanding video Clay! Thanks for simplifying this very difficult concept that many of us have struggled with. Appreciate the simple ways you explain your concepts.
My pleasure! Play well!
I've been struggling with the swing plane, this video is awesome. Thank you
Finally I get it. Thanks Clay. The baseball swing turned the light on for me. Looking forward to trying this on the SkyTrak today.
Glad it helped. Best of luck!
I have been trying to understand shallowing for two years now, doing thousands of swing recordings, and finally I see this video... it's so cool and so clear ! The baseball shallowing is an eye opener ! Thank you very very much. Can't wait to go to the range tomorrow :-)
Rock on! Let me know how it goes!
When Club shaft is parallel to the ground coming down, hands are in front of right thigh. Love that thought! Puts one is great position (slot) to hit the ball Thank you.
Absolutely!
Thank you for explaining the mechanics of the swing.
Hey Clay - keep the great videos coming - this video is helping me with my squaring of my club face - took a few years to get into the right position but Ive been leaving the face way open - so I started manipulating my stance position to help with club path to square the ball...I will be working on this! Thanks again!
Great to hear! Keep up the good work.
Thanks Clay. Just getting back to golf after recent retirement. Your videos are very helpful.
watches video, gets excited. goes to range, cries.
Repeat
Yup
Dear Clay. Thank you for very insightfull videos. A lot of people is looking for that aha moment in the golf swing. Analysing so many swings and putting together the best of each coach have l found that that one movement being that it feels like the right shoulder moves down when the golf swing starts down actually causes flatting the club shaft, pulling the right elbow into the side, pushing the hips forward creating lag and set the golf club onto the correct path and into the contact position. Yes al of this still needs to be in sequense but have found that if the right shoulder moves down rather than down and forward that it places the body in a far better position to hit a good solid straight shot with better distance results. My 2 cents.
I love the theory of this. I've grooved this for a few weeks with the bowed wrist on the downswing, but I'm hitting almost all heel shots and even some shanks.
I would try to hit it off of the toe until I started hitting it in the middle. You might even have to imagine hitting it off of the end of the club to get there. Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
Best explanation where the shaft needs to be on the downswing and why. Period. Best drill to "feel" the difference between steep and shallow. Period. This is a game changer, but will take (me at least) a lot of work to rewire movement patterns. On my first trip to the range, I had several of Clay's "feels amazing" moments. Those good shots felt different than any of the 10 millions balls I've hit in my life.
Any suggestions on how to go about making this stick? For now, I guess I'm going to do the drill several times a day and hit balls about half speed until it feels natural.
Thanks Clay.
I'd work everyday on only hitting hooks that start right of the target (for righties) for a few weeks. Once you've done that go back to your normal swing and if you're still not coming from the inside, rinse and repeat. Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
Clay,I have a perfect swing trainer.Really helps with releasing and turning the hands over.Keeps me from blocking balls to the left.I,m left handed..As always very high quality instruction.
Good stuff. Play well!
Still the best video on the internet on this subject. Period.
Clay love this video and all others!!! It has transformed my game!! I am a 5 handicap mostly thanks to you and your videos. I did have a question because we the lag and shallowing with irons and driver, I am experiencing draws but borderline hooks. Especially with the driver. Any advice on how to not overdraw irons/driver? Thanks again!!!
Neutralize your grip and make sure you aren’t dropping trail shoulder too much in downswing.
Thanks for this. It's my firs time to play golf. From philippines
Happy to help! Best of luck!
Lee Trevino had a great swing but never changed his angle, that's why he used to aim way to the left. A natural blocker.
Great video. Set the wrest, keep the hands in front, and follow through with a left rotation of the wrist. I'll keep this in my notes.
Thanks! Best of luck!
Absolutely amazing video. Thank you
My pleasure!
Hogan used the same supination + flexion of lead wrist in his swing and when working through his Five Lessons book and trying to understand WHY it worked for him I realized the conscious action of supination (palm up) + flexion (slap inward) of the lead left hand caused the fully extended (slapped back) and fully radial-deviated (thumb up) trailing right wrist to straighten (neutral supination / flexion) and “snap” down very quickly into ulnar-deviation (thumb down movement) identical to Hogan’s waggle action before making the swing.
In terms of cause and effect the left hand flexion and supination maintains the desired forward lean of the shaft lag, but completely releases the radial-to-ulnar deviation lag with the same wrist action seen in things like hammering nail, chopping wood with an axe or cracking a whip. The latter analogy is the most telling because the “crack” the tip of a whip makes it a mini-sonic boom as it breaks the 700 mph sound barrier. The club head snapping down with that same flick of the wrist downward accelerates it the same way during the last few inches of the swing before impact if timed as Hogan and the pros, or after after impact in the swing of most recreational golfers which is why their swings lack the compressive force of the pros.
I stopped using the supination+flexion bowed lead wrist technique after hitting a tree root and badly spraining the top of my left wrist. That make me realize why Hogan’s swing was so consistent and powerful. The combination of supination+flexion+full unlar deviation by the time the ball releases off the face allows very consistent and precise control of face angle because there is no “give” in the wrists (hence the bad sprain when the root stopped it). But what I discovered after reverting back to a flat wrist at impact is that time the same radial-to-ulnar deflection change in the last foot of club head travel before and through impact which causes the club head to accelerate and the face to swing closed.
In terms of cause and effect and timing starting the change from radial-to-ulnar deviation in the right hand just as the hands swing down into the sight picture starts to move the thumb down without changing the orientation of the flat left wrist or the extension of right wrist, but it changes the angle of the shaft (i.e. the lag) significantly and significantly changes the the face angle. The key factor here is having “soft hands” and allowing the club force to pull the right wrist from extension to neutral and both wrists from radial deviation to full ulnar deviation (Hogan’s hidden in plain sight trick). It is the radial-to-ulnar deviation of the wrists combined with the rotation of the entire left arm at the shoulder joint (which maintains wrist orientation) which swings the face from open-to-square WHILE THE BALL IS COMPRESSING ON THE FACE. The club head continues to accelerate during the compression-release process resulting in exponentially more F = 1/2 (Mass * Velocity^2) striking force. I’m not sure how much that last “crack the whip” radial-ulnar deviation wrist action increased club head velocity versus a swing without it but if it were to increase from 80 to 100 mph the difference in force would be F= 1/2 (M x 10,000) compared to F = 1/2 (M x 6,400). Since club head mass is constant in those equations the result is 5000 vs 3200, a 1.56x increase in the force at impact compressing the ball, just from snap of the wrists down fully through impact. To make the ball release of the face straight at the target the face must be open at impact and the club face must contact the ball inside of center > +. The ball rotates with the face as it whips closed \ and is square to target - when if flies off the face.
Since swing arc affects overall club head velocity at impact the ball will compress less with partial swings so the amount the club face is opened behind the ball needs to be adjusted. If the ball flies off straight right the radial-ulnar deviation wasn’t completed before the ball released off the face. When the ball misses straight left or hooks the cause is the ball staying on the face past the point it has squared. The cure for that is to aim more inside on the ball (not open the face). Aiming more inside will increase the dwell angle time of the compression-release action. Opening the face instead would create slice spin on the ball. That cause and effect is very counter intuitive but a lot of things in physics are.
Clay, I like the driving range/studio. Ive been working on ur golf lessons/system for awhile now and making progress. Love the videos u do for us. Keep up the good work!!! The hardest thing for me to do consistenly is the shaft plan. Work in progress.LOL
Glad you're enjoying the content from the new office! Getting that shallow shaft plane can be tough work, but you'll be more consistent once you arrive. Keep up the hard work! Nate | TSG Instructor
Great vid even if I do not do this very well, I still find myself never just chunking shots , makes a huge difference to a high handicapper.
Glad you're finding the instruction helpful. Play well!
Thanks for this video very informative! Was definitely missing this element in my swing
Glad it was helpful!
@@TopSpeedGolf It was! Tried it today on the range and it works! Releasing the wrists makes so much power
Great. I think it’s hard to work swing changes in, so appreciate the step by step method to make those changes
My pleasure!
Clay,
Looking at your RUclips video why you come over the top + How to Stop! I like it BTY 2016,.I just have to change my swing and its so hard to adjust from old habits. Question how long will my brain take to trust the new fell lol loaded question? When I go the the extreme like you say. I mean if I really what to shake this OTP I will do anything.
Thanks,
Clay
Love the videos Clay! You should mix in some course vlogs if possible. Good youtube market for that.
Thanks! Will take that into advisement.
The release you explained is a specific feel for your game. I don’t see pros release the club with that closed of a face after impact - seems to me pros are working on less release with proper wrists conditions in today’s game. Great explanation on getting club into slot - loved the baseball explanation
Seems like there’s a couple schools of thought, between square release, like Jordan Spieth, or more of a roll release, which is what Clay is talking about and can be seen in classic Tiger’s swing. Would agree there’s a trend to minimize face rotation, but giving up potential in club speed. As long as the hands are leading at impact, it minimizes excessive face rotation. If the club head catches up to the hands before impact, that’s where we get into the inconsistent strikes
Thanks for sharing!
Joshua, the pros absolutely release the club. Often what you see in slo mo swings are impact and JUST POST IMPACT, where the club seems 'stable' , but that is misleading as you are watching only a fraction of the swing, and in slow motion. Continue watching the release of the club post impact and you'll notice most players release as explained in the video.
Would be awesome to see you explain some of key metrics for QCQUAD’s club module! It likely would help those with other LM’s as well!
Thanks for the feedback. We'll take that into consideration for the future. Play well!
i m going to take a good look!!!! thx!!
Fabulous video.
"Daggum hard" - love this guys videos. Such a Kentucky dude
I can now shallow pretty well my issue is when I miss I miss left (pull) with a draw.
I would argue for amateurs, late rolling of the wrist is not the best option. When Pro swings are analyzed on the GEARS system, the biggest difference between Pro & AMs, is how quickly, from the very Top of the Backswing, that Pros put Squaring / Twisting Torque on the Handle and Square the Face almost immediately, compared to AMs that never even get it square at all. The Tennis Drill, done immediately at the top, to get the club squared early, then allows all the other sources of power (handle forward, etc) to be accessed. Square Early -> Rotate Hard
Can't argue with that. Thanks for sharing! Nate | TSG Instructor
Setting my wrists in the backswing and releasing my hips early works pretty good for me. I don’t really have to think about anything else if I just do those 2 things.
Great to hear. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work!
Saved! Time to hit the range.
That golf ball sound at the beginning scared the shit outta me. Mr Clay, question. I understand what you have to do to square the clubface through impact..what are your thoughts on rate of closure then? It seems that having to rotate your hands so much through impact would cause your rate of closure to be pretty high which, for us amateur golfers creates a very difficult swing/shot to reproduce over and over again.
Haha! 😂 Sorry about that...If the shallowing of the club and wrist position is correct, it takes a lot of the timing out of the swing. Basically, you get in the right position and then turn through the ball. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
If I bring the the club end down first in the down swing, that will bring my elbow in and shallow out my swing?
Plus, is the wrist release timing similar to hitting a baseball?
Hi Clay - would the release not cause a hook when you close the clubface like that? - What about the shoulders staying back?
When you see clay post a new video, but you're in a meeting...
Haha! 😂 Glad you're enjoying the instruction.
And is the drill to practice that adjustment with a standing up baseball swing ?
So it seems like you are almost looping at the top from the steeper backswing angle into the shallower downswing angle . Is that right ?
I do that exactly! It is so frustrating
Keep working on it and you'll get there. Best of luck!
What point of the downswing should i extend my right arm and shallow the club? After rotating my hips back square to the address position?
I'd start shallowing the club at the top of my backswing, before I started coming down. I like to imagine holding a waiter's tray in my trail hand after I get to the top and then tuck that elbow against my torso. Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
What do you thinkg about using a strong grip instead of bowing the wrist?
I'd experiment to see what works best for me. Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
To shallow the club is just the result of your correct core and pivot movent...
I'm trying to learn the 'bowed wrist' swing, but some teachers on RUclips are saying that this can lead to injury, is too complicated, or lacks power, because the grip/wrist position is not like 'the position when you use a hammer'... They've also said that the pros who do this swing are simply young and athletic enough to do so... I'm just a 55 year old with an 11 hcp. I love the beauty and power of Clay"s swing, but I wish I didn't watch the other teacher's video as I am now confused....
For people who have always held things off and blocked shots to the right... will turning the club over FEEL like a flip?
Clay...
I'm hitting my clubs on the practice range well.
But on the golf course I struggle.
Do you have any advice?
This video covers this very topic: ruclips.net/video/LY8I7unX7w0/видео.html Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
Thanks guys.
My driving range does not have grass tee boxes. I find playing on the grass much more difficult than hitting from the astro turf. Is there a drill I could be doing..besides playing regularly...that could help this transition?
I feel like your explanation of turning that clubface is natural bc I’m a hockey player; but so many instructors seem to say NOT to let the scoring lines turn over through and past impact; I’m much more inclined to naturally do what you are advocating for here and isn’t the turning the face over like that a power producer? I’m wondering if you can comment here or in future videos about: difference many instruction advocates for keeping the face in line with the spine angle through and past impact vs. what you are showing here where you are saying turn that face over all the way and don’t hold it off.
Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. We'll be sure to take them into advisement for future videos. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
By rolling your club face over on downswing, will it promote a hook?
The ball starts on a path roughly 70% relative to the angle of the face at impact and curves away from the club path. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
I understand trying to get the swing shallow but no matter how hard I try i seem to always pull with my hands to start downswing and I just can't do it, I really need help or a thought how to shallow with a starting move
I drop my trail hand into a position like I'm holding a waiter's tray at the top of the swing, before I start down and then tuck that trail elbow into my torso. Making a change like this will make you way more consistent in the long run, but it's a long road to travel for most. Keep on working on it and you'll get there. Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
Importantly, you need to 'deaden' your hands and arms to prevent them from engaging too much.
I need a lesson with you!
Hey, thanks for the interest but Clay doesn't offer private lessons. He focuses all his time on making videos and running the business. This allows him to help as many people as possible. Robin, our Director of Instruction, does private lessons in the Orlando, FL area. If interested then follow this link: topspeedgolf.com/in-person-lessons-with-robin-rosado/. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
Yes it definitely do that
Thanks!
You da man!
Thanks!
BOOKMARKED! But... Should you set your wrists early like DJ?
The important position is impact. So if you find it works better to set the wrists at the top of the backswing, then roll with it. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
The only reason we can't swing on one plane is the the right elbow. When it bends the hands get lifted by the length of the right forearm but the elbow stays on the swing plane. The club must come back to rejoin this elbow plane prior to impact.
Thanks for sharing!
In doing this would you have the tendency to flip?
It would have the complete opposite tendency. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
Without learning how to release the club properly, yes. Normally I'm a big fan of TSG, but this particular video should have just stopped at shallowing the club.
Hey nice lesson but I want to see some drills for lefties ok mind you i am right handed but I give lessons to some Lefties
Don't worry, it's the description. 😉
Hey Clay is this the same for Driver and or woods?
Yes, you want to shallow the club with all the clubs in your bag!
Can someone answer a question. How long did it take for you to make contact with irons most often? I’ve been playing 8 months so I realize I’m a beginner but I’ve played nearly everyday non stop and still only contact 1 out of 5 irons. The other 4 roll across the ground about 50 yards. It’s worse off a tee than the ground. I don’t want to give up but months of work with no progress is frustrating. Even my best shots I’ve ever hit are 40 percent shorter and 75 percent lower than everyone I play with
I can only answer for myself, but I started out playing as a kid with my grandma. It took me years to create any consistency with striking the ball. I'm still working on this decades later (there have been a lot of years in between where I rarely played). Keep at it and keep track of what's going on. Record your swings and see if you can figure out ways to make it better by comparing it to others. Create games and try to make them harder each time you practice and don't give up. Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
@@TopSpeedGolf ok thanks , I was beginning to think I’m the only one. All the guys I started with are passing me up
@@shanedeel2 It sounds like you have a lot of tension, try to relax as much as you can , get your grip correct and think of your arms as noodles. You will generate a lot more speed if you relax your muscles and just let the club swing it self. Have you taken at least one lesson?
clay...i don't know how you "flip" that clubhead over so much w/o hitting a hard hook. you make it look so simple but when i do that with the clubhead it's just dead left and left some more
I'd try to back off the hand/wrist rotation until I was hitting them right and then readjust to square. Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
Tried it everything goes left but the strike WOW
Great concept and your videos are great but this seems like a lot to think about during a golf swing
You can break it down and address one piece at a time if that works better for you. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
i have the same problem with instruction videos. I may be doing each of these things, but not consciously, so the question is more why is this happening. Not sure changing a non-conscious action with a conscious one is really an answer - much better to understand why (balance, gravity, weight of the club head etc.). That way the change would have more chance to hold up under pressure too. Best video I have found so far though!
Another great video Clay. Well done.
Glad you enjoyed it. Play well!
Clay, need a drill for being to inside or under the right forearm on the down swing.
Check out his videos on ‘the move’. There’s a few feels he discusses, such as feeling trail elbow tuck in, lead hand toward the sky, or trail hand turning a doorknob. There’s also a check if you draw a line from the ball through the trail elbow at address from the DTL view, keep the shaft and club head under it, from trail arm parallel in the downswing to impact
If you have a problem with hooking the ball, you might find this helpful: ruclips.net/video/66NUesv4KBs/видео.html Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
Thanks guys for the feed back! What is happening is I’m catching the ball on the toe, low right!
I would work on trying to hit the ball on the heel and high on the face then. You can get some foot powder spray and spray it on the face to see where you're striking the ball. Good luck!
Is it the same with driver? or slightly different?
It's the same with all full swings. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
Where is this explained in the Top Speed Golf system
Why not swing it back on a shallow path the same as the one coming back into the ball? Why swing it high backswing then flatten out, why not just swing flat back and down?
Would this require a great deal of timing?
Far less timing involved than when trying square the club when “flipping”. He has a video on this very topic, think it’s referred as ‘zone of pure contact’. Having the hands in front of the club head at impact allows for a ball first strike on a descending blow with irons/hybrids. Even if we’re not synced up just perfectly, with that descending strike and taking a divot after the ball, it gives a better chance of more solid contact in the intended direction. Key is keeping your rotation with your body going, at least as I understand it
When done properly, this takes a lot of timing out of the swing. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
I love your explanations. I would ask you please, if possible, videos with subtitles in Spanish, surely more people would see it
Thanks so much for the input!
With the driver the same things?
Yes, it's the same thing with all full swings. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
I have a whale of a time with my right arm! Wish I could fix it!
205 with a 6 iron? Wtf? I’ll never see that, even with all the weight I work out with .... Super frustrating.
It’s all technique. Just have to relax in the golf swing and practice on your form.
I wouldn't worry too much about how far Clay hits the ball. With that being said, I would be remiss to not mention our 20 Minute Distance Fix course that our All Access Members have access to (among many others). This course takes 20 minutes per day, three days a week for three weeks and the average gain in clubhead speed is 13mph which equates to roughly 30 yards. If you're ready to purchase the membership, just use the quick link below because you can sign up in about 1 minute: topspeedgolf.com/pick-all-access-plan/ Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
Why would my irons push left 20-30 yards of target?
It's hard to diagnose without seeing a swing, but I'd hazard a guess that the trail shoulder is jutting out on the downswing. If so, this video should help: ruclips.net/video/GjDqG_fcVWM/видео.html Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
@@TopSpeedGolf thank you
My pleasure!
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How you shallow it out from the top
is a complete mystery to me and is as unnatural as hell. Instead I just try and swing my entire backswing and down as close to the right elbow setup plane as possible so there is a minimal need to inject an unnatural shallowing move into my downswing. Works great and stops an over the top outside in downswing line.
Justin Thomas Golf Swing?
Yes, Justin Thomas shallows the club. Roughly 99% of tour players do this. One notable exception is Phil Mickelson. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
Yeah...but how do you shallow out the club if you're not athletic.
practice practice practice now all's I do is hit snap hooks
You may find this helpful: ruclips.net/video/66NUesv4KBs/видео.html Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
This stuff is much more natural in the baseball swing than the golf swing.
It's certainly not easy changing anything that you've been doing a particular way for a long period of time. Thanks for sharing!
The Texas species of human talk funny 456 : “ lets give that a whirl “
Whats your email doc
I’d be worried that I’d overdo it and start to shank
cant u just close face in the grip?..
By taking a stronger grip, you can mitigate the amount of lead wrist bowing needed to square the face, but the short answer is no, you cannot accomplish this by grip only. Best of luck! Nate | TSG Instructor
thats crazy , watch mike austin vids instead
Thanks for the feedback. Best of luck!
Why waste the time taking the club out of the slot when you just keep the elbow tucked so it never leaves the slot. The club face never needs to move much at all.
One plane would be easier to teach. Here, the club starts at 60 degrees at address, swings back to say 70-80, then has to be shallowed out to get back to 60.
Uh huh... that's the move..so where's the drill ???
Clickbait to view video re wrist rolling, only one I know who does it!!😪
Thanks for sharing!
Way too complicated...
Thanks for sharing!