It's a shame that people have to put Kwan down in order to appreciate Cohen. I love both of them; Cohen was beyond talented, and a beauty on the ice. She just wasn't as consistent as Kwan. I do not think Kwan was overrated at all. There's a reason the audience screamed when she stepped on the ice. She had more than one good year!!! Come on: she had so many emotionally charged, flawless 7 triple programs it's hard to count. Kwan earned her status as a legend, and one can appreciate both.
You are right, I was really responding to another comment. The best place to comment was probably not on this video, as it is her best short program ever.
In 2000, people were just starting to hear about her and I guess a lot of hype was still to come. Her moves were quite juvenile at that age too so maybe older skaters got more attention. It happens in lots of competitions: the most hyped get the most attention and most likely to medal. It's a shame but that's life.
I can't believe some of the judges placed her as low as fourth! Ridiculous! Her technical merit was worth far more than 5.5; I didn't see a single mistake in her jumps or landings, and her spins and leaps are second to none.
I was so mesmerized the first time I saw this program, but watching it back again, that circular footwork was way too simple. She more or less just skated in a circle and added a few jumps (which are added elements and doesn't count towards the footwork). I think her footwork going into the triple flip was more difficult than her circular at the end, lol. But still, what a performance. She deserved 5.9's for presentation!!
I didn't say you have to like anybody...and OOOH she put two good programs together at Cup of Russia, someone hold me back.Just because she has flexability that other skaters don't have dosen't make her more or less capable, in skating its ALL about having a head for nerves and competition...and poor Sasha, I'm afraid had neither.
Well, I proved that she has put 2 clean programs together, so why are you defending yourself? I didn't say that her flexibility makes her better than other skaters, just puts her at a higher advantage. True, she may not be the strongest competitor at times, but posting a comment about how she can't keep it together on a video of a clean program doesn't really prove your point, does it? Still, you're entitled to your opinion too.
the best short pgogram she ever did. technically just a flutz but the rest was near perfetion. I think she skated better than Kwan but Kwan had the titles and Cohen no. It changed all for me
Cohen may have deserved first in the short, but Kwan beat her, as usual, in the long. Kwan kicked ass b/c she was so often able to put together magnificent long programs, whereas Cohen often fell apart. So, there is no denying that Kwan deserved yet another National title here (despite what getreal/allengland may think).
It's 2002 .... Michelle was the well deserved world champion the past two years (4 times world champ at that point) going into the olympics. I don't know a country that would not favour a skater like Kwan at that point at their own national championships. That said, Sasha's SP here was much better. Much.
Oh, just because a skater is consistent, does that mean we have to like them? How is Sasha overated, she can do things most skaters are incapable of. And Sasha HAS put 2 clean programs together twice - check out her 2000 Cup Of Russia SP and LP and 2002 Cup Of Russia SP and LP. She hit her boot against the wall but finishes the jump first - double foots and slight wobbles still count as clean.
@allenglandlawns: Here's the problem with your analysis that "Michelle the mediocre has nothing on Sasha the spectacular..." W/out a doubt, Sasha is AMAZING and has incredible positions. But, as with any sport, you have to BRING IT in competition. U must admit that what Kwan had over Cohen was consistency, and the ability to skate clean when it counted. If Cohen had been consistent, she could have won many gold medals, but she didn't. U seem to overlook the importance of landing jumps.
@oreevas: "There is almost no comparison btwn the two." I agree that this short was incredible.. look at what I wrote in the top comments. But when you compare the two as a whole, over the course of many programs/competitions, it is very clear who is superior. Tiger Woods, Jordan, Kwan, etc wouldn't be legends if they only had skill on the practice court/rink. Landing jumps and being consistent are fundamental to figure skating, and sadly, Cohen's talent didn't extend to that quality.
HaHa..you kill me, you skating freak...how many times have you seen Michelle Kwan step on the ice, circle the rink and do a few jumps...How many???? She always throws a program of 6 or 7 triples plus a double axel,two of her triples are in combination, amazing footwork(thinking specifically of the 2003 World and Nationals program). So please get ahold of yourself and know what your talking about.
How about I this...I do know what I'm talking about. I was responding to skating freak, liriub,who was slamming Michelle Kwan first,so get your facts straight before you start replying to my post.
...perfect? she doesn't even HAVE a triple lutz, she always takes off the incorrect edge. Please learn something about skating before you make your judgements.
ugh...Sasha Cohen is the most overrated skater ever!!! Did she EVER put two perfect performances together at National's or World's????..that would be NO...So all you Michelle Kwan haters lets not forget that Michelle consistantly put two great short and long programs together.
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She really is incredible when she's on.
Absolutely my favorite skater of all time.
she's so beautiful on the ice! and she was so young. i can never be like her!
It's a shame that people have to put Kwan down in order to appreciate Cohen. I love both of them; Cohen was beyond talented, and a beauty on the ice. She just wasn't as consistent as Kwan. I do not think Kwan was overrated at all. There's a reason the audience screamed when she stepped on the ice. She had more than one good year!!! Come on: she had so many emotionally charged, flawless 7 triple programs it's hard to count. Kwan earned her status as a legend, and one can appreciate both.
Everything she does is perfect... it's amazing... I mean i cant get over it.
I love the "Ooooh" after her split-jump! 2:59
i love Sasha . great music !!!
a very beautiful program !!!
You are right, I was really responding to another comment. The best place to comment was probably not on this video, as it is her best short program ever.
No matter how many times I watched this, I just realized that there's someone yelling "Yay" after her Lutz combo and Flip!
How true, how true!
The music is called "My Sweet and Tender Beast". What a great program, absolutely perfect aside from the flutz. I'd give it 5.9/5.9.
In 2000, people were just starting to hear about her and I guess a lot of hype was still to come. Her moves were quite juvenile at that age too so maybe older skaters got more attention. It happens in lots of competitions: the most hyped get the most attention and most likely to medal. It's a shame but that's life.
I can't believe some of the judges placed her as low as fourth! Ridiculous! Her technical merit was worth far more than 5.5; I didn't see a single mistake in her jumps or landings, and her spins and leaps are second to none.
that may be true but when sasha does a clean program like this she is the best. even if she only does this once.
I was so mesmerized the first time I saw this program, but watching it back again, that circular footwork was way too simple. She more or less just skated in a circle and added a few jumps (which are added elements and doesn't count towards the footwork).
I think her footwork going into the triple flip was more difficult than her circular at the end, lol.
But still, what a performance. She deserved 5.9's for presentation!!
I didn't say you have to like anybody...and OOOH she put two good programs together at Cup of Russia, someone hold me back.Just because she has flexability that other skaters don't have dosen't make her more or less capable, in skating its ALL about having a head for nerves and competition...and poor Sasha, I'm afraid had neither.
She has a bad flutz. I'm surprised Dick didn't call her on it. But all in all, a beautiful program. Her best, in my opinion.
You could make a good case here that Sasha should have won the short, but Kwan skated well too.
sigh.. if we could only combine her natural talent with kwan's championship mentality....
Eugen Dogan, a famous composer from Moldova. :)
Well, I proved that she has put 2 clean programs together, so why are you defending yourself? I didn't say that her flexibility makes her better than other skaters, just puts her at a higher advantage. True, she may not be the strongest competitor at times, but posting a comment about how she can't keep it together on a video of a clean program doesn't really prove your point, does it? Still, you're entitled to your opinion too.
the best short pgogram she ever did. technically just a flutz but the rest was near perfetion. I think she skated better than Kwan but Kwan had the titles and Cohen no. It changed all for me
I love this program, but I was wondering what music she used. What is it called? It is so wonderful and beautiful for a program.
I'm sorry if I objected you... I was just surprised that you knew this song.
I'm looking for Sasha's Sentimental Waltz WITHOUT COMMENTARY please!?!?!? I would do ANYTHING for a channel without commentary.
Cohen may have deserved first in the short, but Kwan beat her, as usual, in the long. Kwan kicked ass b/c she was so often able to put together magnificent long programs, whereas Cohen often fell apart. So, there is no denying that Kwan deserved yet another National title here (despite what getreal/allengland may think).
It's 2002 .... Michelle was the well deserved world champion the past two years (4 times world champ at that point) going into the olympics. I don't know a country that would not favour a skater like Kwan at that point at their own national championships. That said, Sasha's SP here was much better. Much.
Oh, just because a skater is consistent, does that mean we have to like them? How is Sasha overated, she can do things most skaters are incapable of. And Sasha HAS put 2 clean programs together twice - check out her 2000 Cup Of Russia SP and LP and 2002 Cup Of Russia SP and LP. She hit her boot against the wall but finishes the jump first - double foots and slight wobbles still count as clean.
You are a russian?
@allenglandlawns: Here's the problem with your analysis that "Michelle the mediocre has nothing on Sasha the spectacular..." W/out a doubt, Sasha is AMAZING and has incredible positions. But, as with any sport, you have to BRING IT in competition. U must admit that what Kwan had over Cohen was consistency, and the ability to skate clean when it counted. If Cohen had been consistent, she could have won many gold medals, but she didn't. U seem to overlook the importance of landing jumps.
What's so good about Kwan?
@oreevas: "There is almost no comparison btwn the two." I agree that this short was incredible.. look at what I wrote in the top comments. But when you compare the two as a whole, over the course of many programs/competitions, it is very clear who is superior.
Tiger Woods, Jordan, Kwan, etc wouldn't be legends if they only had skill on the practice court/rink. Landing jumps and being consistent are fundamental to figure skating, and sadly, Cohen's talent didn't extend to that quality.
Do you know how difficult it is to do a jump? Unless you are on top and say it is easy!
HaHa..you kill me, you skating freak...how many times have you seen Michelle Kwan step on the ice, circle the rink and do a few jumps...How many???? She always throws a program of 6 or 7 triples plus a double axel,two of her triples are in combination, amazing footwork(thinking specifically of the 2003 World and Nationals program). So please get ahold of yourself and know what your talking about.
How about I this...I do know what I'm talking about. I was responding to skating freak, liriub,who was slamming Michelle Kwan first,so get your facts straight before you start replying to my post.
...perfect? she doesn't even HAVE a triple lutz, she always takes off the incorrect edge. Please learn something about skating before you make your judgements.
ugh, such an irritating voice...
nevertheless, brilliant skating
ugh...Sasha Cohen is the most overrated skater ever!!! Did she EVER put two perfect performances together at National's or World's????..that would be NO...So all you Michelle Kwan haters lets not forget that Michelle consistantly put two great short and long programs together.
Perhaps the most talented, but a horrible competitor, it takes more than talent to be a champion.