All 5 Modern Horizons 3 Flipwalkers Ranked!
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Let's talk about all 5 of the new double faced Planeswalkers from Modern Horizons 3 and the ranking of them from the least powerful to the most powerful. Including Ajani, Ral, Tamiyo, Sorin, and Grist these are all great cards, but which are the best?
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I’m gonna leave this here because I’ve seen a ton of comments about it:
This video is based on the things I value in a card and my thoughts before they’ve come out. It may change. Second, everything is comparative in the video. I think all of these cards are great, so when I say something is “hard” to do, it’s “hard” compared to the other flipwalkers. The point is, we all value different things to different extents and so I’m not expecting you’re order to be the exact same as mine.
You're allowed to have an opinion, and that's fine. It's also fine for people to call you out when you're wrong, especially when you're posting your opinion in a public space. Maybe not post your opinion on the matter if you can't handle a little criticism if/when you're wrong. Using the argument of "we value different things" doesn't change fact.
You're also ranking them strictly on how easy they are to flip, and that doesn't give the cards complete justice. Tamiyo on the front side provides value and you don't NEED to flip her right away. You get card advantage and a great blocker on the front side. You flip her later when you want to for her back side. Ral at best goes in 1 very specific deck. His front side is literally the same as every unplayable 2 mana spell cost reducer in modern nowadays. Not to mention, his + ability is literally just the same as his front side ability. You CAN - him right away, but his - ability is very lackluster, almost useless, in the decks you want to play him in.
Something that is truly an "opinion" can't be wrong. A card might be more powerful than another (I'm not claiming one card is better, I'm claiming which I like the best), but if I'm saying here's my ranking, it's based on what I value in a card, and therefore can't be "wrong." You CAN disagree with it, that's the value of opinions. That's the point I'm making in the comment, not that I can't handle people disagreeing with me. I really enjoy having thoughtful conversations with people about cards, and it has changed by opinions on them many times before, but saying "your opinion is wrong" and "I disagree with your opinion" are two very different things.
Also, this is not purely based on how easy they are to flip, as I ranked Grist as #1, and that one is one of the hardest. My issue with Tamiyo, which I still believe, is that I don't want the backside, it's just not my playstyle, and I would actually rather just have the front.
I don't disagree, but Sorin seems like he'll be good in my Elas Il-kor and Lurrus deck.
I think he is pretty nice in every orzhov(+) deck that cares about gaining life since having extort on a cheap (mana) is nice to have. I personally think his frontside is acutally better then high walker side since you can attack with him without caring of him dying, or keep him up as a nice blocker and extort is nice.
Sadly his backside is orzhov, else i would have liked him in my gollum, obsessed Stalker deck
I was literally just about to comment this- the second I saw the leak, I knew he’d have a home in mine
Same, putting him in my amalia lurrus deck
Sorin is also the best outlet for Dockside loops. Also goes through TOR protection.
1/4 lifelink extort for 2 with further upside is inane
Is in insane in Modern though?
@@Zauzziefood is already a semi-viable archetype in modern, sorin is an extremely good finisher in those decks bc his minus lets you dump all your foods and blow someone up if they don’t have a way to kill him before he flips
flipping it in food is also trivial
the decks biggest weakness is closing out games, it can end up just durdling around so it’s also the exact type of card the deck needs
Sure it has good stats but that's it unless you can flip it
As long as you keep 1 green source up at end phase, you can reanimate and flip Grist on cue in a Meren deck.
and zask does the same
But you won't be able to activate a loyalty ability and will leave a Planeswalker up for the other opponents to attack :/
@@DA-bn9ny can: yes
Should: when it's viable
Just pointing out (from one personal example) that it can be easy to flip Grist, if anything Zask IS the better home for it.
I think Sorin is a bit underrated here. The design of the card clearly lets you win in one turn in certain deck builds. It reminds me of Aetherflux reservoir in some ways. Essentially if you gain enough life in a single turn you win the game.
Drawing 2 cards on your turn is hard for Tamiyo?
Brainstorm: Let me introduce myself
bauble and clue is enough
Nah literally, no clue what bro is talking about drawing 3 cards is difficult.
The key thing is that it is “more” difficult than the others, not that’s it a hard condition.
It's literally not hard at all. Frantic Search allows you to do it basically for free. And Tamiyo is a one drop. So you can do that and flip her on turn 4. Not sure if it's harder to do in Modern, but in Commander at least, that's a free Planeswalker
Why the heck is Sorin last??? He is one of the easiest to flip, has extort on both sides, and is a win con on the back! His minus one says “deals damage equal to the amount of life gained this turn to any target” so in commander if you found a way to gain more life than your opponents have, you can straight up kill someone! And this slots in perfectly with amalia + scurry oak combo decks because you are also gaining life
he is keyed into life gain which isnt easy in modern, he doesnt do anything on the back without more investment which is bad in modern as well and his body is sub in modern.
for the amalia combo deck this doesnt do anything sure it can work with life gain but thats what the combo is for you dont need or even want sorin for that
In commander he's gonna be a house for a lot of decks, but I'm guessing this guy is basing it off of Modern.
illusions of grandeur is a nice 20 damage bomb there for just 4 mana...combo with flicker of fate to make it lethal...or just wait a turn, dont pay upkeep, dig it out and finish...
In my Hobbit food deck, Markov is going to be an amazing card.
It’s not even a little bit hard to flip Tamiyo wtf???
Remember this whole video is a comparison between the 5, and Tamiyo is one of the harder ones to flip compared to casting and instant or sorcery, getting a creature killed, gaining a small amount of life, or reanimating something. Drawing 3 cards in one turn isn’t hard, but it is more effort than most.
Aren’t Thare a bunch of blue cards that say t draw 3 or more cards then our some back to instantly flip her?
@MTGRecon ral's is a coin flip, so could realistically take 3 casts. Tamiyo takes...one flame of anor. One archmage's charm. One brainstorm (in legacy). One Jace activation.
@MTGRecon your wrong by a long shot
@@Crimulous This is my opinion. It may change, it might not, but across the formats I play and in the things I value this is the order I chose. I’m not going to say you’re wrong just because I have a different opinion.
him: tamiyo is hard to flip!
brainstorm: am i a joke to you?
Sorin seems really good just as a walker, flip him immediately and that -1 is a crazy repeatable pay off in any life gain deck
Sorin in a Edgar deck is easily one of the best fits across the board
Not a vampire, unfortunately
I built a commander deck with tamiyo and I can confirm I've won 9/9 games with it, every game it flips and ults. Usually flips on turn 2-4. Multiplayer and singleplayer. Always wins.
Tamiyo is going to be a house in legacy as well as a SOLID playable in modern.
People are sleeping on the moon lady
Sorin is actually busted. Being able to extort all your spells is sick
one drain for one mana is an awful rate
@@mark1A100 in commander its pay one drain 3 gain 3 but ok there. Life isn't a resource or anything.
Are we not talking about the fact that Ajani only needs to plus once to activate his ult and survive? That was the part that seemed wild to me
Sorin only needs to use his -1 once to win.
Sorin is an immediate auto include in all soul sisters decks though.
Sorin in the right life gain deck will do work!
They’re all good, just some are better imo.
@@MTGReconin what world is Tamiyo better?
t1: mox amber + forest > grist + some creature for {g} preferably that can sac itself
t2: phyrexian altar > sac creature if it cant sac itself for free, just swamp if it can. reanimate > flip grist > ez
there are many ways to do this besides this exact layout. many creatures that sac for free, entomb exists if you cant sac anything, etc
Sorin is already being used in a combo deck brew by aspiring spike and provides another tool to food decks he's easily one of the best ones
Sorin looks pretty good for any Tymna deck tbh
So in the asmo food shell i think sorin will be very very good, and tamiyo is actually probably the best one as it blocks ragavan forever, draws a ton of cards, and in legacy as opposed to modern it is super easy to flip with brainstorm
Martyr of sands in modern says Hello
Honestly think Ajani should be lowest because he most likely will only transform on another players turn and then will be left with minimal defense to protect them, never giving them a chance to really get going. Tamiyo in simic colors makes it a lot more likely that she will be able to get her ult, and Sorin with his extort in a format like commander is basically a guaranteed transformation, but his planeswalker side does kinda suck.
I think ajanis value come in due to the shear efficiency of a 2 mana mana 3/3 stat block split over 2 bodies. not sure there is a deck for him
I think you’re wrong about Sorin. Outside of EDH the card is underwhelming but as a commander it looks pretty good. Very easy to flip and the -1 can do a lot of damage
Tamiyo is super easy to flip, cast brainstorm on turn 2 and she flips…
Grist could eventually maybe be included in dredge sideboards for versatility against graveyard hosers in grindy control games.
Nah that Tamiyo take is WILD, Tamyio is incredibly good
Id argue tamiyo's flip clause of "play brainstorm" is much easier than all the other flip clauses aside from maybe ral's if you get lucky
Grist is actually really easy to flip, if you have any semblance of Reanimation cards
I take it we’re talking about EDH? Because, in Modern, Ajani and Sorin are amazing and are already testing A to S tier.
Feel like a green blue black self mill (commander) deck is gonna end up coming out of that Tamiyo solely bc of the ult
Feels like it’d be VERY good in a self mill situation in general
I built an insect buff deck with mazirek as my commander so I’m definitely gonna want that grist
Grist is going to go so hard in kethis decks
Putting Tamiyo in 4th is weird, I think for formats like commander she isn’t good, but for modern, limited, and standard she is a great one drop with nothing but upsides, and a useful flip too.
Tamiyo is definitely the last. She comes out early and eventually flips into the least impressive of the 5. A single brainstorm can make her flip, so it's not the hardest, but it's still not great. Grist is probably overrated, because the trickiness of flipping it. And it doesn't guarantee making death touchers. It needs to mill a black card and lands are nothing. Sorin is definitely underrated. One instance of extort gets you the life you need to flip him. His -1 is very deadly! Especially because he's in a deck with lots of life gain and you can make the food to then crack a bunch at the same time for sustenance and punishment. And sorin is able to take a creature rather quickly. Ral is fiddly, but fun in a spellslinger storm deck.
Grist is such a cool card and creature.
Bro, sorin is the best storm card paired with weather the storm. Its basically build your own tendrils.
Sorin gonna be munchin on some bread in my food deck
HARD disagree on Tamiyo! In EDH it's nothing special, but it's probably Modern playable - it blocks Ragavan in the early game, can sort of replace itself via the Clue tokens, is a Wizard for Flame of Anor, and can flip if you cast Flame of Anor on your own turn since it draws 2 cards. It's very similar to flip-Jace from Origins but with some unique advantages that position it fairly well for Modern.
I would like to see grist be more fleshed out as a charecter as there isnt much info on her.
Grist, and Tamiyo, hell even Sorin in the right commander deck are easy to flip
I play Uro as my commander, easiest way to flip tamiyo.
That new Grist loves Disa the restless and reanimator decks.
The second might be good in the clue precon as a upgrade
Grist is incredibly easy to flip in the right deck and a 2 mana planeswalker that makes bodies that have deathtouch, mills, destroys combo pieces or straight up makes copies of things in the graveyard is insane
My friend and I have each pulled 2 grist, and no other flip walkers. Though one of mine is a textured foil.
Flip condition is pretty difficult for Tamiyo? You only need a single card draw/cantrip spell since she makes clue tokens...
*Turn 3*
1)Draw for turn
2)Can trip
3)Crack a clue
It is meant more “hard” compared to the other walkers.
as someone who uses ajani on arena he is the best out of them lterally witches cauldron, fanatical firebrand, cacophony scamp can turn 2 ajani and can remove creatures every turn literally killed 2 thought knot seers that were 6/6s and beat an eldrazi deck its not hard to spam red tokens either to make his ability good no way are ral and grist better because they are harder to flip and ral is all chance and if you lose the flip you take damage i get this is a commander channel but ajani is absolutely broken just play a 1 mana spell that can kill the token turn 2 and replace the token with the zero ability giving you a blocker then spam red creatures that are low mana or put krenko in the deck and just start halfling peoples health and in commander turn 1 ajani flip isnt hard either witches cauldron, mana crypt, plains
Blue drawing a third card in a turn off a card that makes clues, so hard to do >.>
Definitely putting Grist in my Zask deck👌
That sorin definitely is going to my karlov deck
Prespark sorin be looking more like sephiroth
Sorin is the best of them though. His -1 ability can literally one shot opponents. As early as like turn 4, in a lifegain deck.
Oof I pulled a Gris and it went straight to my mutant menace deck but may swap towards graveyard overdrive
Really interesting how much we differ. I rank it 5) Ral 4) Grist 3) Tamayo 2) Sorin and 1) ajani.
Why is grist so low? He's extremely easy to flip considering what deck you want to be running him in, and provides insane upside on his planeswalker side.
The fuck you mean, blind obedience is a haymaker
Tamiyo for me Is underated because with brainstorm or other similar cards Is quite Easy to transform her
sure but then what? her issue is her first ability is only about survival so you need to flip her activate the ability not drop to 3 or bellow and have something worth grabbing
Everybody is underestimating Tamiyo.
Grist is going straight into tayam. Return creatures from grave? Easy
How do the goyfs work with gris?
So they etb with their ability power or 1?
Okay for the third card in a turn thing on tamiyo, just cast brainstorm or like sign in blood, it's not that hard
Wasn't Tamyo supposed to be dead?
Ral goes nuts in storm.
I played against a guy who pulled Grist at a prerelease. Scariest deck I ever saw.
Grist being made for Yawg combo is horrifying
Well. You’re wrong🤣
I'm assuming this is for commander, but for modern its probably (best to worst): Tamiyo, Ajani, Sorin, Grist, Ral.
Ajani seems really good
Can u play Grist as a Golgari Commander because the backsite is black/green?
How is Ajani not the best one exactly? It feels like you are just rating the planeswalker side without taking into consideration the creature side and how hard they are to actually flip.
Ajani provides 3/3 worth of stats over two bodies for only two mana. It's also one of the easiest ones to flip (especially if you got a Viscera Seer or something on turn one), pumps your board and acts as removal as well.
It is by far the best one
They’re all pretty good, I just find Ajani to be a little bit niche only being a board boost for cats and needing to take a turn off of doing anything impactful (for non cat decks) to get to the ult. That means he’ll often just sit at 3 loyalty making him an easy target for anything red or just creatures in general. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good, but I find the floor on him is so much lower than the floor of the two above him. But that’s just my opinion 🤷♂️
Grist, Voracious Larva would fit perfectly in my The Mycotyrant deck❤🎉
I fucking love Sorin but that might hust be because I'm an Orzhov girl at heart
Oloro as you commander means you can do turn 1 soul warden, turn 2, gain 2 life on upkeep, play sorin, gain 1 off soul warden, flip sorin
Also Tamiyo's not hard to flip at all
None of them are hard, but hers is one of the harder ones compared to just casting an instant or sorcery or having a creature die, or things like that. And the “cost” to flip compared to the others just doesn’t match the power level of the planeswalker on the back.
grist has nice flavour
GRIST SUPERIORITY RAHHHHHH
She’s going to go so hard in OG Grist
I would rank them in almost the exact opposite order.
Turn 2 grist seems pretty doable
I know this man did not just say that grist is hard to flip in golgari...
Tamiyo is difficult? Any 2 cantrips on your turn does it, brainstorm and treasure cruise too
Difficult compared to the other conditions. This whole video is comparison based between the 5.
Okay, in which format? That ranking changes drastically depending on if your format has access to brainstorm and recall. I know that every channel is all about edh nowadays, but these planeswalkers powerlevel vary drastically depending on the format. I think this ranking is a bit sloppy tbh
What? Ramiro is upset easy to flip it just needs a brain storm or any two draw effect on your own turn. I’d argue it’s the easiest considering you can pull it off by your second turn consistently. Grist is probably the hardest since your grave yard can just be turned off pretty consistently with a lay line or cage.
Nah tamiyo is the best out of the five. It makes up for the main problem murktide faces by ensuring you draw a card late-game for each turn you have had before, basically giving you a phyrexian arena from turn 1. yes it can be bolted, but it cannot be bowmastered or unholy heated early, it is evasive, and can flip if your oppoent has good blockers. Yes, you dont draw the cards right away, but you dont care since turn 1-3 you have lots of cards from your opening seven. On later turns you can use excess mana to crack clues, thus, like i said, it becomes a phyrexian arena
EXTORT IS BACK BAYBEEEEE!!!
You ever Heard of brainstorm?
I dont see grist being in any competitive decks topping modern right now. Its ral, tamiyo and ajani.
Sorin just made top 8 in the pro-tour, so I think it is fair to say that it too is competitive.
Sorin making food seems like a flavor fail.
Tamiyo is going in my xyris 😂
Grist Enjoyers, we win again
Ajani will be NASTY in my Jinnie Fey
If Sorin was a may effect to flip it would way better
I believe anybody wanting to play grist would have a really easy time to be honest I mean a lot of us have zask or what not
I was soooo excited for Tamiyo to be in my Nezahal deck
...until she was revealed to be UG instead of U
Why WotC???
Grist could work with gravecrawler
I was hoping for Rakdos flip Sarkhan
How is tamiyo hard to flip? Brainstorm,faithless looting?
is sorin technically black and white or just black? i wanna see if it can go in my golgari deck but i forget if i can or not
He has black/white colour Identity
These are 2 color commanders right?
So... here's the thing with Sorin. He will most likely be the piece that revives a long dead turn 1 combo kill deck in Modern. :)
I think they’re all pretty good, I just think as an overall card Sorin is the least compelling.
@@MTGRecon That's fair. I think Sorin and Ral are good at enabling combos, but the other ones do more on their own.
Tbh orzhov got some really got lifegain cards lately so getting Sorin to transform is ez at least
Sorin the chef