YUGIOH CAN STILL BE SAVED!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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OOPS! At 7:02, I say "Soul of Yubel" when I mean "Phantom of Yubel." Just pretend the Spirit of Yubel is purple.
What pretend? They've always been purple?
I just got to there and was like...most builds only play 1 spirit anyway. 1 PoY is fair, you can recycle with throne but that means no throne extensions. Fair. :) < speaking as a current yubel one tricker
Minor mistake get 'em
It’s the purple realm
About to ask, if you mentioned the right card
"We're putting Oak to 2. Eat shit."
- Komoney, probably
Birch to 2 seems like the future
Woah, ypu getting ahead of yourself. How about Princess to 1
@@aovroxie3346no princess to 2 is better
How about amblowhale to 1
Honestly I would’ve been fine with Oak banned. They at least have a harder time accessing flamberge if I ash blossom snash’s second effect.
In the meanwhile , at Konami's HQ :
"Lightning storm and Pankratops to 3 . That's gonna be it ."
@@kasumi2173 I would prefer if they did something like "unban Maxx C at 2"
@@ianr.navahuber2195how to fix a format with overpowered stuff that locks you out of the game? Add in another one. L take tbh
@@ianr.navahuber2195 true, I also hate Yugioh and want to see it die
@@sarissena5424 that would be bringing back all the floodgates to 3.
Pank to 3 should definitely happen tho
Crying at the thought of D/D/D becoming even more unplayable through a Caesar ban than it already is by no fault of its own. Is this how frog players felt after Spright took their son from them
As a paleo player, we're still paying for spright's sins
I don't even want to play frogs, but konami forgets my archetype even exists
@@soogymoogi they gave us a link 2 we can barely summon, so they don't care that Frog the Jam was errata'ed or that Ronintoadin got banned. There is 6+ famous fossils from Burgess Shale that they could use (Same place all the paleos and their yugioh names came from).
?????? U want the game to be non combo? Thats part of the fun
agreed, it sucks that poorly designed archetypes ruin already existing ones making use of some what generic cards within there own archetype, and because the other cards are new konami wont ban them because they still have more £££ to make the only thing they can hit is the older cards there shockingly designed archetype can abuse.
I feel like a couple of formats ago even baronne and apo werent broken enough to be banned since making them both and then some more interaction would have been too hard, but snake eyes means those cards are more broken. could be wrong on that since that was when I was only just getting into competitive yugioh.
@@burokkori8684 it's honestly even worse that we don't have our own field spell and have to borrow frogs'. We're an archetype based on a location
2:01 I want more Masochist Banlist Tournaments, they are so fucking good!
We're in a weird spot in the meta where there are so many problematic cards in circulation at 3 already it won't garner too different from what's going on right now. Like what is the top 4 gonna be? Nemesis Swordsoul, Fiendlink, 60 card Fiendsmith Fire King Snake Eye w/ Grass and Tear, Full Power Dragon Link?
@@Heroism4499Tbf, that was the POINT of masochist. To show that most of the cards on the banlist could be unlimited tomorrow and it wouldn’t change the state of the game because powercreep is so bad. Despite being the more interesting tournaments, the ones where a deck enabled by the banlist changes takes the win (*coughMasterPeacecough*) are actually the exceptions rather than the goal.
Also, because Joseph actually curates the decks that get played, you can be sure there will always be an interesting variety of decks to be seen.
Isn't magical scientist still the best deck in that series@@Heroism4499
@@mangavore7426 if people had more time to prepare and the pilots were more familiar with the older decks it'd probably happen more often though
Talking from experience, I do get why demand would be there for these tournaments, however, I think the reason why there hasn't been one for a long time has been that it's just run its course now. I played in the last one (I was the Dark Warrior Orcust Pile Dude) and pretty much that one was stated already to have pretty much every single card that could come off (even with stretching others) come off. It was meant to be the grand "hoora"/finale if you will because pretty much unhitting any other card would break the tournament, or push it far enough into just an unrestricted/unlimited tournament where there's no point calling it a Masochist Banlist Tournament anymore.
I need to stop watching these banlist videos, the disappointment when they like semi limit poplar or whatever is gonna be soul crushing
Truer words have rarely been spoken
I've learned from manga readers that coping works, so I'll keep watching these videos
Konami has never done anything that ridiculous when trying to address a deck
I think instead of Diabellestar, realistically, it should be Flamberge that gets banned. The OCG shows that if you don't outright kill Snake-Eyes, it remains a tier 0 megathreat, esp with Azamina coming up. There can't be a world where we have this deck remaining, with Azamina coming.
was going to say the same thing, snake eyes needs to have flamberge outright banned. Anything less and we just end up with the ocg format where SE is still the best deck and keeps the format in an unplayable state with 50% of every deck required to be hand traps or they just auto lose to SE.
With the new Azamina cards coming I would like to have her at 3, I've been testing them with Predaplants and they help a lot to set some interaction layers, I could even stop Tenpai with Dragostapelia and Predaplanning
Snake-Eyes was never Tier 0 in the OCG. And it still isn't in the OCG.
That or give them the Ishizu treatment, with the most powerful cards being taken out back.
Putting Minimum Flamberge to 1is what they should do. Just to begin
The ban list is just going to be Konami posting a list of everyone who made ban list predictions and banning those people.
Yea a lot of obvious hits that’s just aren’t there. It’s like Konami can’t commit to a banlist philosophy because it limits future design and puts them in a box like “if such and such card is banned for this reason then why are you printing essentially the same thing again?”. Every other game is so transparent but they have to be secretive and unpredictable but it just looks bad like we see what you’re doing Konami we aren’t that dumb.
Having an entirely seperate department in the ocg design the vast majority of cards doesn't help with the "banning a card and printing a similar card after" thing
@@andrejv.2834 That is a great point. I think game companies should have their design departments and their balance departments linked.
Though the plan of companies in competitive games seems to be make thing not worrying on balance. then balance thing after.
I understand the logic as worrying too much on balance can stifle creativity. But I think clearly there should be some consideration.
Even when they ban a card they always just print something more stupidly busted everything just gets replaced with more toxicity
Diabellestar to 1 because lore is an absurdly based take
He did it. direYGO is officially a state of mind.
She you mean?
she*
@@yserareborn I think they're saying "he" as in MBT did it, not that dire herself did it.
I'm being yugisplained again.
Yeah I’m getting bored of these videos
This is the Dark Yugitubing Rank10YGO foretold
@@balther10then don’t watch em lol. Every RUclipsr knows it’s primarily their opinion and the point is to start or continue a discussion
@@blinktwice296 ??? Who the hell is MBT discussing with. He says the same things every time and doesn't incorporate anyone else's perspective.
@Lysvsyl Thats why their is a comment section were you can express your opinions? Instead of using your energy to hate on the guy, use that same energy to start a conversation, like others in the comment section have done. You don't have to watch his video, there is a lot of yugioh channels that you can go to, instead you stay here and complain, make it make sense dude...
Your masochist banlists are so fun to think about and test how modern yugioh works with the old powerhouse cards of the formats prior. I beg for more!
Dumb choices that got named here, wack!
@@mannyphantom0only wack for either absolute meta players or trash floodgate/stun players
Honestly, I came to realize that fiendsmith is just the next incarnation of engines like orcust with mermaid, halq, or verte. The funny thing is we keep banning these engines only to print a better version of it a few months later. If konami hasn't learned from design mistakes from over five years ago, they never will.
We know that splashable engines that only require you to make a generic link 2 for powerful disruptions is a mistake.
Knighmare mermaid is still on the banlist for a reason
At that point can we finally admit link has failed its original job of 'slowing down the game'? Because it seems like most prints are incredibly busted or actual trash.
@patrickschweitzer4978 links problem is that how they slowed down the game was they made you mess with link arrows, but the problem is almost no one cares. They were a response to limit pendulum. All it did was limit pendulum and give every outher strat 100 different splashing cards to combo with. You don't see people playing more than one to 3 links at a time, and most link1 and 2 have a down arrow that can build.
@@masqueraid988 except it didn't really slow anything down, because inevitably they still gave pendulum support. The issue is that now you don't have to think about spare extenders because regardless of level you just make a link. Extra link was a dumb mechanic, and limiting every other deck in mr4 (until they changed it again) was dumb. It barely affects pendulum anymore and now the game is even more powercrept than before. Link was a mistake.
@@patrickschweitzer4978 you just repeated what I said back to me. Link was ment to slow things down by forcing you to think about arrows. The problem is they made a game where you never want/need more than 1/2 maybe 3 links at once out, because you can just link climb with your extra zone. So yes, link failed at what it wanted to do. If they instead had focused links as something more deck specific, where there where not any individually strong links, where they had to rely on outher links to work, it would have either slowed down the game, or people would more likely have ignored links because outher decks where faster and could do more.
@@masqueraid988 so the infinite brilliance of komoney strikes again? It tried, failed and this is the state of the game. The thing is if they dropped another banlist like happened at of the duelist alliance format, and used more than 2 brain cells then we might have hope.
As a Yubel player, Phantom should go to 1. That card is insane. It’s handtrap protection, it’s a monster negate, it’s free link material, it opens up the cross sheep line for pretty much free, it’s basically free to make, and it does all this while being an inherent summon. The fact that the card has no summon limit built into its card text is ridiculous for how easy it is to get 2 Yubels into grave.
While this is correct, it also kills a really fun deck called Generaider Yubel. Why else is spirit of Yubel a level 9? To make it synergize with Generaider, of course!
@@Ragnarok540 I also used the fact that it's level 9, but in my case, I played it alongside 3 Tenyi Spirit Adhara, which was a lvl 1 Tuner that doesn't use your normal summons to either go into Baronne as an omni in Master Duel, or Dis Pater as an extender and negate in the TCG.
@@Endershock1678 first dis pater needs a dragon non-Tuner to make so you can't make it that way...
secondly I think phantom is a big pain but soul of rage removing a monster to summon S:P banish 1 and then just it existing on field is very very cringe to play into
Yea it should have been 1 summon per turn, and you can still recycle it with throne too so in the grind game you can still utilize it more than once. The amount of times I make one to protect the field and then later in the combo just make a second one to be a link material😂
@@carlfromhome3686 Oh, you're right, looks like I've gotten away with a lot of cheating. Oh well, I'll replace it with something.
As for the dog, it's annoying, but there's way to play around it. Since it summons on resolution, removing either of the targets fizzles it. Besides, it's unfair to just hit Unchained because Yubel uses it well as an engine, since Caesar is getting hit anyways.
Dawg, how do you not ban the big stupid dragon cosplaying as Block Dragon for Snake-Eyes? Flamberge needs to go before any other snake eye card.
because flamberg is only hard onces and without it, snake eyes actually still function. if you are gonna ban a revival card, then ban rekindling and reborn spells too. i made it master rank 2 without flamberg in snake eye in master duel. made it to top 100 in Dueling Book without Flamberg in rated play. SO banning Flamberg does litterally nothing. Ban Ash, or flipside, ban Poplar because now you cant hardly extend into anything at all
@@FloriakaI think people are sick of pure se and are okay with fk or rescue ace. So hitting flamberge is probably the better way but personally I would hit poplar too.
@@Floriakaokay but we're talking about the tcg here. You can reach master in MD just by throwing shit at a wall long enough.
@@Mooinator3000Yea, hitting Master 1 means nothing, you can get up there with any form of dohshit
Unfortunately I think it will take a fundamental change in design philosophy to truly "fix" Yugioh. A list like this might make the current format better, but formats like this have been happening more and will keep happening because they keep printing hyper consistent one card combo decks like Snake-Eye that play through everything and/or lock you out of the game entirely on turn 1.
Not necessarily design philosophy cuz Fiendsmith and Snake-Eyes are fun, but what really needs to change is Set Philosophy if the best decks weren't a months Salary it would be much more fun and appealing
@@rescuerex7031I mean, the cost is part of it (a part that'd be 100% fixed if they made common and foil versions of all the powerful cards), but another issue is the gap between 1 absurdly powerful archetype being printed and the next one coming in. It's actually too far apart. If there were 3 or 4 archetypes around the same power level (this includes upgrades that boost older archetypes to those levels, although those are rarer) printed in the same banlist time frame there'd be less complaints because the format would be diverse instead of a new t0 coming in right after the last one got banned.
The problem isn't hyper consistent one card combos themselves, it's what those combos lead to. There's nothing wrong with the way snake-eye plays if they can't build a field that prevents you from being able to play the game. It doesn't require a change in design philosophy, it just requires them to stop printing generic boss monsters that can be shat out en masse or negate multiple times a turn.
Melodious has multiple 1 card combos, and none of those 1 card combos come close to locking you out of the game. It's just a couple of powerful disruptions with some solid protection
I'm fine with 1 card combos, but they should never put up as much interaction as Snake-Eye does
@@rescuerex7031I just want the ocg prices. The full deck is probably like below 100 dollars there
Ok, MBT put out his banlist predictions. Banlist can come out now
No, he needs to participate at a YCS first so they can drop it mid-tournament
@@four-en-tee lmao fr
This would be a good-ass banlist.
...So you already know that only maybe half of these hits are actually going to happen.
Half? I'd be surprised by that, maybe more like a third. Maybe just a couple Snake Eyes to one, who knows.
I hope not, this upcoming banlist is critical, if Konami makes yet another soft or lax banlist, I don't think there will be that many people willing to go through Snake Eyes or Fiendsmith + "Insert Toxic Deck Here" for another 3 to 4 months.
Lurrie to 0 Shock Master to 1 See you in December
@@Emmix_342 Agreed, if this upcoming list doesn't get it right we're gonna see more pro's leave, YCS and other big events attendance numbers continue to plummet until Konnami is forced into an emergency banlist banning basically everything powerful like a mix of this list and Peeps' list
@@bigmen0 #UnlockTheShock2024
He really said "Ban Colossus. You know, the thing that takes an engine to support it, instead of hitting the engine that makes it easy for decks to splash it." I'd rather play against people forcing Colossus by playing a bricky Thunder Dragon engine than watch Colossus get banned for Corridors' crimes.
Exactly
Guess who's at 2 now instead of banned 😅
I'm sorry, but banning ash isn't gonna cut it. Flamberge needs to go
If ash and Poplar go than Flamberge is okay to just go to two or one instead of being banned. IMO
@@Zmon3595 banning 2 cards for the sake of 1 is not the play imo, but it is a Konami trademark at this point
As a pendulum player I very very very want Flambe banned.
i played the deck on master duel without flamberg and it still can power through everything else easily. just have to be a bit more creative. as for playing no Ash, that actually hurts the deck more cause you now can not do 1 card combos that are broken. yes poplar and flamberg are strong but when you see that Ash litterally gives everything.. but to fully kill you need flamberg to 1, ash to 0, and poplar to 0 then the deck finally dies
@@KingLeaps* cough * Firewall Dragon * cough *
I will never stop defending D/D/D from people calling for a High Caesar ban.
Same. Fiendsmith makes it too easy, we could have been playing Piri Reis Map for Puppet Master
Just errata it to require 2 D/Ds
Konami hates D/D/D so much. They realised high king ceaser wasn't D/D/D locked and started pumping out rank6 fiend support. There is no other reason for the new fiendsmith and unchained support to be level 6.
A High Caesar ban will absolutely kill D/D/D forever since that monster is the reason you play the deck in the first place.
But then Konami comes out with broken ass cards like Sharvara or super splashable insane engines like Fiendsmith, and suddenly everyone has access to D/D/D's best boss monster and it's way easier to summon with those tools than within its own archetype.
Honestly, just errata High Caesar and Beatrice's materials to require D/D and BA monsters. It changes nothing for their own archetypes and it takes them away from the Fiendsmith engine or whenever Konami decides to print another broken LV6 Fiend engine
Konami please don’t take away my boy I need him 😭😭
Hoping we don't have to be in the Banlist Waiting Room for too much longer.
the one thing that bugs me about this the most: It really does not matter, where the banlist takes us, does it? the national season is over, worlds is over and the rest of the year what is there to play? I hardly go to locals these days, they feel stale& i have to drive long ways to even get there and there are no regionals in my area.
@@tonik8799that’s just you though, if you don’t enjoy it or find it stale that’s not how everyone feels, a lot of people like the current state of the game and just think we’re one heavy banlist away from a very good format, a lot of yugitubers complain 24/7 buuut that’s also how they make content, a lot of people are also waiting to get a new deck or new cards because of the banlist because not everyone wants to dump money into a deck that will be hit into oblivion
"I am a patient boy. I wait I wait I wait."
At this point, the only way to properly “FIX” Yugioh would be to announce Yugioh 2 and declare everything prior to the announcement as a Legacy format. With current design philosophy, we’ll likely just be back in this same boat in 4-6 months, and the ban list acting like a band-aid isn’t enough anymore.
That said, I just want Konami to do the funniest thing with the Ban List - no hits, but PoG, Graceful, and Maxx “C” all to 3, have fun.
An hero playing saying floodgates should be banned
Ironic
Floodgates on monsters, while they shouldn't exist, are infinitely more interactable than floodgates on backrow
While understandable, it's a little funny that Ritual Beast got more hits in this video than any other deck.
Yeah like they have nothing ……Sadge
@@thecomradewarda My Phantasm Spiral Deck after seeing this list 💀
I picked up the deck months ahead of the new cards & protos limit, and now people are chanting for it to die again 😢
Deservedly so
@@alternatedimensions this list a haters list, that’s why
Sanctifire could be fair with an errata. If it negated the effects of the cards it summons, unless they are Fallen of Albaz or mention him, that would let you Albaz the thing you give your opponent, while shutting off all the donate floodgate options.
Agreed, but still ban the puppet. Something will abuse it eventually.
Konami should just stop making/ban all existing cards that special summon stuff to the opponents field (including Sanctifire). Putting aside the issue of locking out your opponent, it has been proven time and again that the ability to put stuff onto your opponents field is inherently problematic.
@@tmaz9474I disagree. There's some cool design space in summoning to your opponent's field (outing Imperm or Evenly, giving attack targets to monsters that can't attack directly, archetypes like Mimighoul, etc.), but unrestricted summoning anything to your opponent's field is where degenerate strategies come in. It should be restricted to archetype cards only and/or negate the effects of that monster.
I want to get your comment tattooed on my forehead!!
Sanctifire would be such a fair and well-designed boss monster IF it could only summon Albaz monsters.
@@evilsheepmaster1744 Imo Mimighoul is a well executed spin on it, but the issue with what you said about "cool design space" is that this has never been, and WILL never be the case. People always manage to come up with some degenerate shit.
Also, I don't view turning off boardbreakers/HTs as a positive thing. As much as I despise cards like Evenly/Lightning Storm, the game is now being designed around the fact that these cards exist (to a certain extent), so disabling those cards and taking away some of the only ways to maintain your will to live after losing the die roll (no pun intended) doesn't exactly seem healthy to me.
To really kill SnakeEye it’s either Poplar or Flamberge. It’s been meta for too long
I completely agree with all of these EXCEPT hitting wave high king.
That hit actually just neuters DDD for no good reason.
The card isnt generic and can easily be played around and has no protection. This is just “ban good fiend only card because other fiend card(s) is good”
Its like konami banning literally every tuner because of halq decks.
Same with the fabled card.
If konami actually cared they would limit track limit engraver. That way the engine can be interrupted
D/D struggles to summon Big Caesar and nowadays, it's just Machinex turbo.
Without the Fiendsmith engine, it can't even get 2 Level 6 to save its own life
Unchained hit more than DDD, the latter does and will do nothing even after top 5 were to be nuked anyway.
not going to happen tho since fiendsmith just came out and they do care (about money)
@@alkhemia23 that’s their fault ? And has nothing to do with proper game balance
@@6210classick completely untrue
Too many pots? Got it. Pot of Greed to 3.
“When everyone is super, no one will be.” -Konami, probably
The thing about diabell is that hitting it wont do anything to the deck they can be replaced. hitting flameberg would be the thing to take care of deck even ash would be cool but diabell just doesnt do enough
YGO Players the second it turned Aug 16th at 12:01AM “BRO KONAMI WHAT THA FFFFFFF YOU PROMISED WHERE IS MY LIST OHMYGAWD ITS BEEN FOREVER YOU SAID…”
They did wrote late august so this is more people patience growing thin.
(inb4 they meant the world banlist and not the TCG one and we get owned...)
@LorisEnsatzuken 16th of August is mid August not lat August
Let me explain why Gimmick puppet is fully interruptable and no hit to it is needed.
1) Droll always ends their turn
2)Ash blossom on Rouge doll (and not the field spell as it is incorrectly used) always works cause the field spell only protects the field, if ash is resolved against Rouge any combo will be mediocre and there is no ftk
3) Imperm on Fantasix always works even if the field spell is out
4)If you don't have the field spell any other handtrap, even a veiler, counters the ftk...
One can say that a card like crossout should get hit cause it allows decks like this to have an answer to all the above, but a deck that loses to all that isn't banable in my opinion
Ash doesn’t always work cause sometimes they use terror baby so that doll resolves
I was looking for this comment
@@dannyboers4704 are you telling me if my opponent opens better they can go off harder?
Yeah, don't think the deck needs a hit yet (not just cuz I play it but cuz it can be fragile and I find 90% of my games pivot to handtrap control then kill on the crackback. I do often win but not via the field spell or ftk).
When we get Fiendish Knight (and the game's power level drops a bit) the deck probably needs a hit and, knowing Konami, will have half the deck banned to sell Malice. But until then the absolute most that should happen is something small like a limity to Number 40 or the good rank up to make some lines weird. Anything more is overkill as the FTK deck often ends on 2 interruptions, handtraps, then OTKs instead of FTKing.
For real. If players figure out what to hit where, gimmick puppet can really flounder. We shold probably get hit once fiendish knight comes out in tcg tho
Imo the snake-eyes hits you suggest don't really hit the deck it the right way. The deck is like Tearlaments unless you hit it in the right way it just won't work. Ban flamberge that severely hits the interaction and combo potential of the deck without ending it since it does have another boss monster in "snake eyes diabellstar" ( the card, not the deck).
Other stuff is pretty on point, though.
But I will say that a big problem with this and the last format is the shear amount of graveyard interaction. It might be time to put "called by the grave" to 2 or 3.
And before you say it, I don't play branded... I play ashened.
I have seen people say the deck is playable without flamberg so now I don't even know.
Just in case ban snake eyes ash, ban flamberg, no problem if the deck neither has starters or extenders
@@fracazeror just ban poplar, snake eye still had all it's pieces (except snake eye diabellstar) before it and it wasn't even rogue
I don't like how Fiendsmith is a requirement just for any given deck to be playable in the modern day. It makes every deck's gameplan linear and ultimately arbitrary; it doesn't matter what you're running, it's still just Fiendsmith in a trenchcoat. That whole archetyoe has got to go, along with the massive surge of power creep in recent years that's just plain unsustainable in the long run.
I agree, though will not happen. They will stick around longer then anyone wants, then being replced halve a year later. Look at knightmare engine, halq, verte. All those "Ohh i still have two random monsters, lets pump out another 5 interactions" kind of engines is something that just will happen over and over
You can sort of deal with the Fiendsmith issue by banning the Goddess Link 2 because then it's limited to actual Fiend Decks instead of literally anyone who can make Goddess
Imagine if as a meme they make Pot of Greed a limited card.
If you were looking for something slightly more realistic, feather duster to semi, and heavy storm to limited
I'm not kidding, LEDE had serious potential as a format if Sangen Summoning didn't exist and Snake-Eyes was properly reined in
Unfortunately, now we're way beyond that, and ROTA is looking to make things even more dire
I feel like tenpai is kind of a poisoned olive branch. Like "Ohh the meta is to expensive, have this budget meta deck" And boom, its a stupid otk strategy.
This is the best ban list take I have seen BY FAR.
In the first 10 minutes specifically, every card mentioned NEEDS TO GO in order to make this game fun and playable again.
Please don't take my high king ceasar konami, it's all D/D/D has
you have machinex
you also have kali yuga
No sir. You leave colossus alone. Take out corridor instead. No corridor no colossus unless you play the deck. Then you just have to he careful how many colossus you allow legal.
Anything less than flamberge banned is a massively huge L and the deck will live.
wrong, snake-eyes can live without flamberg. why, you can run rekindling because 2 of their monsters are 200 defence and are pyro type
@@Floriakathats gimmicky at best
@@Floriaka you'd have to draw it first and Famberge provides a lot more than just the revive 2.
And if the deck remains playable at say rogue tier after, that's fine.
The point of a banlist isn't to make a deck unplayable, its to make them fair. If you're looking to just ban any cards that can be good at all, just go play GOAT.
The problem of Fiendsmith Engraver being a secret is that konami probably does not want to hit it so people buy the product, but in an ideal world where konami does not care about that, I think limiting Engraver can be a consistency hit to the Fiendsmith engine while still leaving it alive. There would be more choke points and its more telegraphed, Bystials would become way more impactful against this engine banishing the one copy of Engraver while also avoiding banning Ceasar so decks like Unchained or D/D/D can still make it or at least have a powerful payoff if the Fiendsmith engine is not interrupted, but Beatrice has to go.
I've been advocating and while I understand hitting Ash, I'd offer Flamberge as Scarifice instead. Yeah, you get two bodies on one normal but their only purpose is effectively link material. While with Flamberge you get two Bodies out of making a strong Link Monster
Yeah Flamberge is pretty much Block Dragon for Snake eyes. Though I wonder if Apollousa should be banned because it really helps out rogue decks which will be way less viable like pendulum decks or other decks that are vulnerable to nibiru.
And it’s also a kind of fragile card too that’s easier to deal with compared to Baronne and it kind of takes more materials to make it anyways since it’s a link 4 so not all decks will be able to make it to protect against nibiru.
As a D/D/D player if Big Caesar gets banned I’m gonna be so fucken sad. Like I understand how its accessibility in other decks is problematic but without him my D/D/D deck is pretty useless.
My argument against banning Caesar or Apollousa is that with these in the game it means most decks don’t auto lose to Nibiru. Nib isn’t that great against Snake Eyes cuz every fucken card in that deck floats but most other decks don’t have that luxury. Since no other hand traps work on it, I think having cards that can interact with Nibiru is necessary
“No! Don’t ban my archetypal card just because other decks are abusing it! My deck isn’t abusing it and it was designed for my deck!” - You (and so many before you, including me)
Me: “Yes. I completely agree. We should errata them so they can only be used in their own archetype instead, but we both know that’s not how Konami does things.”
Can D/D/D even summon Big Caesar without relying on Fiendsmith? isn't just Machinex turbo nowadays?
@@6210classick the version of the deck I play can end on a board with Big Caesar, Machinex and Siegfried with a set Headhunt and 2 Dark Contracts. But with a small Fiendsmith package (3 Engraver, 1 Requiem, 1 Sanct) you can bring out Big Caesar on the 5th summon to protect yourself from Nib and then combo off. And ideally you can end on a the same board as before but with 2 Big Caesars instead of 1
@@6210classick they can pretty consistently
@@6210classickVery much yes, you just use the 2 slimes or 1 slime and swamp king, make 2 flame king Genghis and overlay those to make the big caesar. If you open both swirl & necro it makes it in 3 summons, otherwise there are routes to make it within 5 summons for nib.
Personally i can’t advocate for it being banned not because I play the deck, but because I see the problem here with it is NOT the caesar but the fiendsmith cards themselves. It’s only a problem because the FIENDSMITH cards are so splashable and don’t lock for some god knows reason so I think those should be hit anytime before caesar. Or if you do hit caesar, unhit him once you decide to actually ban the problematic cards that are the fiendsmiths. Like it already has a restriction on summoning it that only like unchained was able to actually take advantage of, idk why people keep advocating for it being banned when the clear issue is the splashable engine that lets any deck make the card in the first place
“Sangen Summoning needs to be banned”
Ancient Gear Fortress in the corner: *sweating*
banlist on the 22nd at 13 pm trust the plan
If it's not there, I'm telling Israel you're Palestinian(joke about cruelty of Israel)
@@CatGuy969 well I'm fucked then cause the banlist ain't here lmfaoo 😭
Didn't happen, you're going to Brazil
@@CatGuy969damn, that's hilarious
Leave the floodgates and skill drain at 1. The most frustrating part of yugioh is how uninteresting it is to run almost half a deck worth of generic hand traps and still get one card combo'd into oblivion turn 1/2. These traps have had answers for decades too (mst, harpies, dust tornado, lightning storm, etc.).
Yeah it's almost like having 20 different good options for S/T removal doesn't even matter. I feel like the game needs a bit of luck/unpredictability in it to make it more interesting, either draw the out or don't, that's life sometimes.
wanting fun in modern YuGiOh is like wanting to win the lottery. Everyone likes the idea, but it's pretty unlikely to happen. Hope the ban list really does have an impact on the game state.
Colossus is such a non problem card at 1, it hasn't even topped since getting limited.
I agree, corridor is the more obvious hit. Why hit hard to summon in most deck boss monster instead of super splashable card that gets it out
Tbf if you're going to ban the powerful 1sided floodgate monster because its too accessible off flame banshee you should probably also ban the 2nd best 1sided floodgate monster thats too accessible off flame banshee
Personally I'd ban flame banshee
Also it did technically have a few tops right after the rb support released
Tenpai is a super fun anti meta deck. Its a lot more dynamic than people give it credit for.
The only reason going second is even viable is because if towers effects.
Also, we MUST NOT BAN the only remotely budget meta option.
Limit summoning is fine
Banning fabled lurry would be so lame I thought it was so cool that a fabled card got a moment in the spotlight please don't hurt my boy
also completely pointless. There are other Fabled monsters with the exact same effect, namely Ganashia and Cerburrel
Every time I see someone ask for that card to get banned I die a little inside because it will do exactly as much as the Linkuriboh ban (NOTHING AT ALL)
Even if you hit all 3 people will just swap to searching fiendsmith itself and have him search the card that puts up a light fiend token. All we get is forcing all the Fiendsmith abusers to discard one card to go full combo.
@@joanaguayoplanell4912 those are both light beasts, but I agree the lurrie ban is pointless
I loved the way you did your personal banlist, to be completely honest.
As someone that only has Master Duel as a source of Yu-Gi-Oh! "gaming", I have this Evol deck that uses "the Diabellstar Engine", A.K.A "3 Diabellstar, 1 Wanted, 1 ~ 2 Poplar and 1 Optional Ash" and I can vouch the fact that having the one copy of Ash is already good enough for the deck. All I need is Poplar setting OSS, linking it off for "a Link 1 of your choice", activating OSS on Poplar to summon the Level 1 Evol monster and, if I have another Evol and/or Fire monster in hand and/or field, I can set up a board of 5+ interruptions in the form of Singularity into Lars and/or Laggia, at least one Dolkka and a Link 4 of my choice, usually Pyro Phoenix into Zealantis. I have a replay where I was learning the deck, bumped into a Supreme King board that summoned Knightmare Gryphon in the Extra Monster Zone and that should've been functionally impossible for me to chew, and the one Diabellstar was enough to win the game on the spot, because I just had to play around a singular zone, bait some non-destruction negates and do a Link monster of my own so I could play with an extra zone, dismantle their entire setup and having enough for the crackback to literally destroy an attempt to Pendulum Summon 5-ish monsters with the Evol part of the deck. Ever since, it became my second or third pet deck, with Magikey being my top 1 - unironically able to play the Fiendsmith engine once Pity, a Level 4 LIGHT Fiend Normal Monster, is in the game, as well as having Mafteal as a Level 4 LIGHT Fiend Tuner that only stops you from using it as a generic Synchro and XYZ material, anything and everything else is fine - and Voiceless Voice disputing the next spot.
I'm resilient enough to understand the power of the Snake-Eye cards and, if at least one of the mentioned cards has to go, then I'll do whatever in my power to see this game slightly more playable, even if I have to give up on one of the best engine and/or main cards my deck is able to access into. Just like the remaining playerbase, I'll just have to figure something out on my own, I won't complain about losing "my card" because of how they're played outside of "my deck". We need at least two players to play the game, and I want to face more players other than myself and a Level 5 AI that doesn't know how to access their Extra Deck when they Go First but can totally rock your bottom rear when they Go Second, being vulnerable to a nearly unbreakable board for them.
Mystic Mine is the floodgate we needed, but if everyone is going to complain about a field spell, that Konami needs to make more Shifters.
"Alright folks, we've been listening and your prayers have been answered: Trident Dragion is banned."
With how things have been going, a banlist will only allow them to reset the status quo and then make the same types of formats again.
As a Dino player it really sucks that the generic extra deck negates keep getting banned with nothing to replace them. Link Kuriboh was always integral to my set ups for Evolution Pill. All the new dinos they introduce suck or are way too complicated to slot in, and there are practically NO dinos in the extra deck. This is why I've been sticking with Master Duel. The TCG keeps hitting the only cards keeping my deck competitive
please bring back masochist banlist. I love those videos. Some of the best yugioh content on youtube by far. Especially with the current format, i think you could bring back way more cards or potentially some of the more toxic cards that werent removed previously and still see snake-eye make top cut. i think a lot of us would love to see that.
I am that one person still playing Harpies and Feather Storm 10:08 really elevates it a lot. It's a shame it would suffer from a ban only because it is too generic.
Bro im sorry but I don't think the floodgates are going until a format we deal with 1 of each and the limit of heavy storm, for konami to realise floodgates + 1 heavy is just nuts. Its already like this in master duel after all.
Unfortunately, shifter won't be getting banned with Malice on the horizon :(
Did you see the newest M∀LICE card? That deck is going to be miserable to play VS with Shifter still in the game.
This could also be the reason to ban it, it would be unbearable to play agaist that deck
@@Michael-hs7pr shifter shouldn’t get banned, in fact most of the cards this RUclipsr listed shouldn’t get hit
The fact that YGO has become 2 players searching and shuffling their decks while they watch eachother do so.
you basically have your deck completly open and could simply put all cards on the table and pick
But as soon as you enable both players to play, everyone complains about "our turn 1".
@@Zanji1234 i saw a clip on twitter where in the OCG the game starts, opponent drops both jellyfish maxx c and then maxx c.
Dude sets 2 and passes.
Dude reveals sangen summoning and 2 monsters, then offers a handshake.
The game is beyond fucked, and its not even the maxx c and jellyfish. Its the fact its a ftk with 3 cards
@@TheFanaticsPlay dafuq?
@@TheFanaticsPlay A long while ago, I saw a clip from the JP side of Master Duel that went
Player B starts duel > Player A activates Maxx C > Player B passes > Player A top decks Ash > Player B activates Maxx C > Player A activates Ash > Player B quits.
This game is just broken beyond repair at this point.
Im gonna be honest, ive seen it for years now: people are so unwilling to see the actual problem card go. People hated DPE but loved anaconda with it when it was anaconda that needed to go for example.
If alot of decks are abusing the fiendsmiths to push out beatrice...then beatice isnt the issue, the enabler is. Sure it helps some decks that are bad play, however so does beatrice in a wayy more fair way.
The problem with Apollousa is that it's polarizing in how hard Board Breakers like Talents and CoH can deal with it(and the rest of the opponents' board) giving it that ability to be an instant win if you make it on someone unprepared for it, or just as much of one if it gets stolen by someone who is, making it too swingy.
I think the whole point of the Continuous Trap Floodgates being 1 ofs is so someone on Pharonic Advent can finesse their way into specific ones AFTER seeing what the opponent's up to. They're not meant to be shoved into random decks to sack their way to victory, but considering how awful so many Yu-Gi-Oh players are at the game even at its higher levels, I shouldn't be surprised at how often they get reduced to those things.
Man it's so crazy to hear TCG players still have Snake Eyes; I'm on MD and I already past tired of them doing the exact same line every time I see one.
Eh we’re on Fire kings snake eyes and it’s not too bad, loses to one evenly
Someone, somewhere retired and the kids have the office and are going full Kaiba v Yugi next list, banning everything that counters.
Spirit of yubel at 1 does nothing.
Phantom at 1 for now is the only hit that makes sense, since its the only degenerate card.
High caesar should be errataed to only use d/d as materials
This. Powerful archetype specific extra deck negates are fine, splashable generic extra deck negates are at best a ticking time bomb.
Tbf in 2018 ddds were like the only deck with any sort of playable lvl 6s, and even then it took the latest wave of support to make the deck able to make it consistently.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 Horrid take. Negates are BS, period. If they printed extra deck negates for Snake-Eyes/sinful Spoils (*cough* Azamina *cough*), would you still consider that fine?
@@tmaz9474 i mean your example is in the context of snake eyes using that alongside the splashable ones they already use, if all they had was archetypal negates then yeah that sounds completely fine
nooo. cards should never never never get eratted. they ruined dmoc, ced, sinister serpent, and many other iconic cards with erratas.
In my opinion I feel that if konami wants a generic easy to access negate, it should be savage, the card is more specific than apo and is less strong in the fact that it’s negate loses to cards like veiler and imperm and d.d.crow and book of moon and so on. With your list I feel like it shouldn’t come off for obvious reasons and this is partially me coping for my boy back
As a D/D/D player, I take offense to this.
Flamberge is the real problem here but people know it just kills the deck and forces it to play azamina
I think Flamberge should be getting banned, maybe even alongside an Ash ban.
MBT referenced two separate D/D/D cards in this video. I’m so proud!
Bring back Red Reboot to sort out the problematic trap cards :^)
Snake eye ash isnt the problem its just a stratos, poplar is the problem. Ash wasnt even being played before poplar released. If you ban poplar, what does your snake eye ash even search; birch? Also without poplar, bonfire becomes a rota instead of an e-tele and the deck just becomes much more vulnerable to handtraps, for example if you dont have poplar for original or the field, you cant really play around nib and at max your snake eye ash gets you birch into moon which is basically a joke.
Honestly we need at least appo and flamberge ban, my expectations are rock bottom but we at least need this
I don't wanna play tenpai format
Damn I'm glad I got out when I did. We out here calling for Appo bans. It's truly Joever.
@@ttkrystal8329 brother I feel that too much. Its becoming ever harder to keep up with the game in general (moenywise and just the amount of playable cards at all time) Man i feel like becoming old in a bad way
@@tonik8799 I literally just started playing Magic. Commander is just sanctioned jank most of the time and doesn't feel like a constant race to a black hole of power creep.
I would love Konami to print cards that better handle floodgates and hand traps so that we don’t have this conversation every time a ban list comes around. Both can be and are healthy for the game where there are duelists like myself completely burnt out from combos, but only if adequate retaliation is printed
Hot take, i think promethean princess is more of a problem than snake eyes ash, dont get me wrong, ash does it all but promethean princess is splashable in any deck if it uses fire, it lets you link climb, set up your board, interrupt on the opponent turn and enable combos, last card that did all that was Halquifibrax. I dont know why people ignore that this link 3 is a retrain of halq essentially
yeah everyone is screaming ban flamberge but if Princess is gone, how are they gonna revive flamberge.
Agreed. Promethean to me is the epitome of a card that's simply allowed to do too much. Why's she a starter AND an extender AND interruption AND generic AND lives in the extra deck? Joseph rightfully pointed out that Snake-eye doesn't have any meaningful choke points and IME she's a big reason why.
It's not even close to being like halqi. It's a card that only fire deck realistically can use (yes it's 3 different named cards, it doesn't have to be FIRE, but there's just better at that point). As a card itself is just on the verge of being slightly more on the strong side of the spectrum, but is very balanced.
If your problem is that she makes flamberge come back than you fucking ban flamberge. If you want to hit snake eye i don't see why you must hit every single FIRE deck.
It's much closer to something like sprind (still way too strong)@@miroheartech4231
Princess is in no way a Halq, I don't think I need to explain why a Reborn effect is different from an ETel effect
I think I prefer flamerge to the ash hit; I dont think the deck is doing anything as pure without the 5+ material and insane followup from berge, and I think snake-eye’s healthiest place to be is as an engine for fire decks (r-ace, fire king, infernoble, ect)
With Droll, Maxx C, Shifter (at 2), Purulia and Fuwaross, you can technically play 14 Floodgate handtraps in the OCG. Purulia is in the side, but seeing the top decks maindecking floodgates because there is 0% chance their first turn goes uninterrupted is absolutely dreadful
Yup. The OCG right now is just two duelists throwing turnskips at each other until one runs out of them and the other combos off. It's miserable gameplay. All the more reason to ban Shifter and keep Crossout Designator at 3.
i have hope for this list cause komoney is actually communicating and telling us theyre working on it which is more than theyve done in years and tbh alot of these hits makes sense to me and i agree with most all of them except for skill drain cause i think it should be brought back down to 1 but this is only cause i like it in my train deck
The probem with baning cesar is that is the only worth D/D/D to summon, and baning hem kill the deck, a errata to all D/D/D xyz's should require at least a D/D material but only the big ones do that for some reason... and the kali yuga is chesseable anyways...
And unchained too
A few years ago I heard an argument about pet decks I agree with; “your pet deck doesn’t matter”. Balance decisions should not take into account archetypes from 10 years ago or your personal favorites. If a random card or flex engine is making a better strategy overperform, it needs to be hit regardless of the archetype it’s from.
@@shamash3202 i don't tink unchained dies if cesar is ban, the deck have a lot of plays... D/D/D is a odd case when basicaly cesar + machinex is they endboard (outside of backrow and 1 random sigfrido)
Anything short of banning flamberge is not sufficient for snake eye hits. I am totally unironic when I say that no Snash and one black witch would still leave snake eye as the best deck post-azamina. Just ban poplar and flamberge
Alright some of this feels like riffing-. We're cleaning up the format not the game. Remember the assignment!
Well cleaning up the game would mean revoking like the last 3 years of cards
I find Sanctifire to be a fun card to play with when it's not being used for floodgating your opponent, but I unfortunately have to agree with banning it. As fun as it can be, it's just too exploitable and while I have a strong aversion to the various locks you can use with it, other people are actually ambitious and want to win.
Nah, its over for Yu-Gi-oh!
Yall can just send all your cards to my home
Nah I just finished Gathering every HERO card ever printed. You Can Have my Chronomally and Spright Cards Though.
@@Zmon3595 even the max rarity hero cards?
A Joseph video about the banlist? Tomorrow for sure!
We're reaching critical mass of one card combos and hyper consistent, sticky combos. We are ready for Yugioh 2
Rush duels to the TCG when?
We heard this exact same thing 6 years ago when people were getting gumblar hand looped, and the following format is considered one of the best Yugioh formats of all time.
Wanna save yugioh ? 11 commandements
1 - errata cards from the banlist. The only cards who needs to be in the banlist are pot of cupidity, floodgates and cards that make you win the duel (victory dragon etc) other needs to be check and errata.
2 - Unban Electrumite, master peace, zoodiac, scarecrow samurai (i dont know why this shit card was put in the banlist) and all weak cards who are in the banlist. You guys really think that those cards are better than SE or fiendsmith ? lmao
3 - Stop the tier 0 format. I dont think i need to explain. Going to a tournament ready to face 1 deck (or 2) is not yugioh, no matter what pro players or yugitubers has to say about it. We have 13000 cards in this game. Its your problem if you're not ready.
4 - Reduce the price of cards. Dont need to talk about this
5 - Unniversal format. The fact that there is multiple format is stupid. "They can test if the card is cancer or not" excuse me ? They dont play the game before release card ?
6 - Release supports cards of the anime. (Don zaloong, vampire, Spirit of Pharaon, archfiend pandémonium, roid, umi, Harpies, Toon, Panik deck, Banner alchemist deck, Gravekeeper (if they're smart, they can make the deck better without renforcing necrovalley) arcane, Venom, Cloudian, Umi Aesir...
7 - all floodgates at 1 or ban
8 - Ban Dimmesionnal fissure and Macro cosmos. Release Banner's cards "Chaos distill" (google it)
9 Use more the semi limit section. Fenrir, super poly, Called By, Diagram, Infernity launcher, Naturia sacred Tree
10 - Player needs go to the shower before a tournament
11 - Make better video game and animes
No shot they hit shifter before malice comes out.
They should.
They hit baroone before white forest came out
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 They hit Baronne when they added it to Duel Links along with Sherry le Blanc. Since it is locked behind her skill (the skill may end up becoming unlocked after the 26th!) like no one uses it. Her ace Chevalier de Fleur still can do some work though.
What's worse, that "any number of interactions" is something available in the game or a deck so wombo-combo that it can shrug all of them off and still win?
Unban everything and start a new era
tearlaments and ftks?
Ban everything and start a new era
The cope in the Yu-Gi-Oh community right now is new levels of cope never before seen.
This Video is sponsered by Farfa's Floodgates Bad! Bingo Card.
2:23 Bad part? Nah. Bring out the executioner!
U forgot the unban section. Ik this is just minimum but please bring back My meow meow mu 🥺
1:48 We're skipping the unban section since there's a lot that could be unbanned due to falling behind the power creep (ask Master Duel)
Getting rid of snake eye only to bring back another extremely powerful one card combo deck would be extremely ironic
The fade in the artworks looked insane. The fiendsmith looked like he was morphing and then bam Dshift 1:28
The overwhelming bias hatred towards floodgates is ridiculous in this list. That's literally the only thing you really hit. They're good at one and murdering ritual beasts because of hitting those three cards is laughable they've barely done anything and whining about thunder dragon Colossus And dimensional shifter doesn't make anyone look good. Until we get substantial decent graveyard hate that's actually legit. Then shifter needs to stay
Can't get "A mechanism by which in" out of head. You say it every video, it has become my brain worm.
I only have two objections, and one is moreso the mentality to Gimmick Puppet. I 100% agree that the field spell is too much, but what I don't agree with is that GP shouldn't FTK. It's in their design concept. If there is one deck that is hard built to have alternative win conditions, it's GP. Whether its Leo Alt Win, Chaos Leo Alt Win, or Burn FTK, they are designed to just work that way.
Shouldn't be a deck without chokepoints though.
Also, I am a stern believer that King Calamity never did anything wrong, and Crimson Dragon should be banned. The entire lifespan of KC it has been only relagated to gimmicky RUclips combo videos and its hard summoning condition has been more than enough of a deterrent. Up until that giant glowing noodle came along and said "This is treated as a Synchro Summon". Either that, or if KC gets banned, it needs to be errata'd to say "Synchro Summoned on your turn". It's supposed to be a game closer by disabling interruption and dealing 4000 minimum damage every time it attacks. Not a goddamn turn skip card. Yes, I'm a Red Dragon Archfiend player.
These are the 2 worst takes I have ever heard. Of course deck diversity is important, but the quality of the games is way more important. Oh great, I get ftk'd. Guess I didn't draw the out. An ftk should never exist, no matter how bad the deck is. Especially if it can accomplish that ftk with ONE CARD. Also King Calamity is absolutely the problem card. Crimson Drsgon is not the only card thst can cheat it out and cards like Etude of the branded (searchable by bystials btw) can Also summon it and lock your opponent. It would be fine if it were designed similar to raidraptor ultimate falcon, but the sad truth is that it isn't.
Crimson Dragon is a cool card that theoretically gives real versatility to the few decks that can reliably make it. King Calamity is only being used for exactly one thing in the modern game, and that's turn skipping
@@MiyaoMeow588I personally can see the argument that Crimson is a problem, but I would personally ban Calamities first and see wait to see if Crimson causes more degeneracy.
@@competitivetrash7660 Bro FTK's have always existed throughout Yugioh's history at varying levels of consistency. Nobody plays them though, because they are too bricky. "Guess I didn't draw the out" can be compared to literally any situation in Yugioh, it's a card game. Now I do agree that playing into someone's board feels better even if it the game outcome might be pre-determined if both players play optimally, but that doesn't mean that you have to play whack a mole with every deck that could potentially FTK. The main problem with Gimmick Puppet is the consistency at which it can do it (in part due to the Field Spell) and the fact that they are immune to monster effs (due to the field spell).
@SeveNStarSeveN They can do it with one card even without the field spell. It is far too consistent even with a field spells ban to be fine. They should do a hit that directly stops the ftk. Ftks shouldn't exist no matter what.
How do we keep having this discussion every six months?