Ranking Modern Horizons 3 Precons From Worst to Best
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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I think that y'all are misinterpreting the "Gluttonous Hellkite". It gets 2 +1/+1 counters for EACH creature sacrificed. If all 4 players sac a creature, it gets +8/+8. For 5 mana you can get an 11/11 or bigger!
The obvious downside is it requires you to have sac fodder
Yeah we downplayed that super hard for some reason... it's sick!
Also, fleshbag is an ETB, this is a cast trigger. So if you have no creatures, the dragon still sticks on the battlefield
yeah, to me it's one of the more exciting cards in that precon. Like... don't play it in Ur-Dragon or whatever, play it in any Korvold style deck. Or just play it in Prossh...
Like, it's already great at 5 mana for potentially an 11/11 and all you had to sacrifice, was one of your goblin/saproling/eldrazi-spawn/kobold-tokenor however your jund-sac deck operates.
At 7 mana it just gets so dumb big, up to a 19/19 flample and everyone had to sacrifice 2 creatutes. Yeah I'll take that for 7 mana.
Picked up the Eldrazi at $60 from my LGS. Glad my store owner cares about his customers instead of passing down scalped prices 🖤
i honestly don't see that deck staying at 120bucks or whatever ludicrous price it has.
I ordered the complete set for a bit under 200 and I might just sell the eldrazi precon on cardmarket if it's still around a 100 bucks.
@@paulszkiI trade in cards I will never use and only paid $132.00 for all four
@@paulszki the other deck is still at 150, it going to climb
Same here. I my store all decks cost the same. And we love the store.
@@Solus3DI'm so happy to see that! Bc dude, I was so worried going in to buy my reserved precon that he would charge the price NN judged the deck at. Listening to the video omw there when they were knocking it bc of its "$140 price" had me stressed tf out 💀😭 but all the more happy and grateful for our stores to be as kind they are
I'm building a deck themed around Dune 2 and the desert support has got me more hyped than the eldrazi.
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@@NitpickingNerdsthank you, enjoy your day
I got the Eldrazi precon. Got to play maybe five games with it and so far it feels very split, half the deck wants you to make scions and spawns and have them die and the other half wants you to cast big eldrazi spells. I feel it needs to commit harder in one direction
By technicality, the making of scions could help to cast the big bois, but i understand what you mean
Funniest part of the Tarmogoyf comment is that he’d prob be a near insta cut, it’s never really been a commander card outside showing off when it was expensive
I think it’s good if you can trigger Disa!
26:25 yall both kinda right? the avatars of the titans died on zendikar, and emrakul's avatar is stuck in the moon on innistrad, but the main bodies are still "alive and well" in the blind eternities
It's funny they've said the graveyard is the worst one but it has won the precon games on almost every major commander channel on the platform lol
It has an advantage in the precon stakes of having a clear smash strategy, but when it comes to tuning up decks it runs quickly into the problem that it’s capped in power by the shortage of Goyfs.
It is insane how every channel underrate Graveyard Overdrive and in every gameplay channel, there come a point where it overrun other decks in value. Surprised to see no Conspiracy and Maskwood Nexus in the upgrade section. For the others I mostly agree. I think the Eldrazi Precon just get smashed in every gameplay video because people hate playing against Eldrazi
Maskwood Nexus comes with the deck, but yeah Conspiracy and Ashes Of The Fallen are both crazy strong with Disa’s ability.
Agreed. Also, the secondary commander is very solid as well.
Everybody is shitting on the Jund deck, but in precon games with all four being played, it is fairly resilient and does well.
yeah but that's a one time thing.
Quick note: Hour of Promise is already in the Simic precon so you don't have to buy another copy
TRUE we were wrong about that one!
it aint a lhurgoyf tribal deck
its a graveyard deck with a lhurgoyf subtheme
lhurgoyfs just so happen to care about the graveyard and be a modern thing i guess
never played modern
but this set feels liek a reference set
You get it, building Disa strictly as a lhurgoyf kindred deck is a mistake. It’s a graveyard value deck where you want to fill your graveyard with multiple card types to grow your goyfs and run other graveyard payoffs.
@@pancakeburglar9361 unrelated but i will slap in a sheoldred//the true etchings, yargle and multani, othion hero of lavabrink cuz haha make many big thingies attack
I built up some store credit before the set came out with plans to get two decks, but after seeing the insanity of the tricky terrain deck I just bought two of them instead.
Hope that serves you well! That deck is awesome
Omo is another example of a commander that should have had eminence for the last two abilities.
Sorry but I disagree with a lot of hate for the graveyard deck. You said, in a negative context, that this deck "feels like junding it out" - so where's the issue with that? This Deck lists "fill your graveyard, avenge the dead" - it never has been promoted to being a Goyf-Deck and that's the major issue most people have with the deck - Goyfs being in there is only the bridge for Wizards to make this deck feel like it would be a "modern" (as in format modern, not the kind of deckbuilding modern) commander deck with goyf being a staple for Jund back in the day. The deck itself plays actually really consistent and does a lot compared to e.g. the simic one. The overpriced Eldrazi Deck looks good on paper, but when actually playing it, it simply doesn't work out.
Also I'm very surprised that you did not even mention Coram once. He opens up Jund to a selfmill strategy which was previously not a thing for Jund. While yes, Jund had Gyrus and Slimefoot&Squee as mill-decks, those actually had quite limiting deckbuilds (Slimefoot being Saproling / token-themed and Gyrus Big Mana-ish). Coram on the other hand is basically a relatively easy to build card compared to the other two and might even be new best Mill-Commander... Ignoring him basically shows that the deck was only looked at with card value, but not how it actually performs.
also.. simic that high? It's a pretty generic landfall deck tbh with plenty of heavy reprint value... soo...
Kinda not agree here
Tricky terrain is crazy, yesterday during a game i was able to have 65 mana 🤯 it's crazy good and fun to play
After playing all the 4 decks I agree with this ranking.
Tricky Terrain was crazy consistent. Becoming able to use 30+ mana per turn is actually not unusual. Plus the card draw is so high and the mana sinks are good enough to actually use that much mana. Interaction is also decent. The tap lands are surprisingly not much of an issue because of the insane amount of ramp.
Eldrazi is strong but clunky. The commander is great and the deck has lots of ramp (including spawns and scions) to pay those additional 2 mana for Ulaleks copy effect.
Creative Energy is great … but why does it have so many basic plains and so few basic mountains and islands? The colored costs in the deck are very evenly distributed but the landbase feels skewed too much towards white for some reason. It seems odd and is the only problem the deck has because it makes the mana base less reliable. Imagine drawing no lands for red or blue mana. That‘s not unlikely. If you get enough colors then the deck works very well though. Makes a ton of energy and has strong payoffs. Good synergy.
Graveyard Overdrive was a bit slow. Maybe bad luck. It felt less synergistic even though the pieces for making it powerful are clearly there. The graveyard synergies are there, it mills and has payoffs for the graveyard. Maybe I‘d have to experiment some more to find out which commander of the 2 works better. Still not a bad deck.
2:14 graveyard overdrive is underrated by every channel! I got smacked in the face by this deck a lot already
It just has a bunch of great cards in it. And upgraded it's probably the strongest of the bunch because both commanders are ridiculous.
Just playing a bunch of shapeshifters/lurghoyfs means, that with your commander out, any self-mill card will just put free creatures into play. You don't need blue anymore to mill yourself a bunch of cards.
-> mesmeric orb (everytime you untap a card -> mill a card)
-> burried alive (search your library for 3 creature cards and put them into your graveyard) = instantly put 3 lurghoyfs/shapeshifters into play. How that card got reprinted in modern horizons 3 but NOT in the precon is beyond me.
The other way to do it is to play any of red's rummage effects that say "draw x cards, discard y cards".
There's so many ways to cheat stuff out with this.
Lol literally every game I've seen of the precons has this deck winning or coming close. It's been the problem in each game. I think these rankings may be based on how the decks "look" rather than how they actually play.
Morality shift + Conspiracy make the commander a nightmare. Add the merchant for a instant kill.
goldfish actually rated the deck rather high. Big issue here is that everyone rating this deck bad is primarily saying "it does not have enough goyfs in it" - this is NOT a goyf-tribal. It's a graveyard deck that has some goyfs as benefiting creatures! It was never promoted as a goyf-deck
also it's a consistent deck that pretty much does what it does every time it is played unlike e.g. the eldrazi who simply doesn't work
That mana base is TRASH. Nearly half the deck’s lands come in tapped out of the box.
I was waiting for a precon that I could keep like it is out of the box and not feel like it's missing gameplay pieces to run correctly, the simic one answered my prayers and I'm so glad wotc decided to print such a nice deck with such unique gameplay (having nice lands that are part of the strategy and not just ressources is awesome)
Yooo it was so cool seeing you guys in the straight from the heart music video
I just had to get that Simic deck for reprints....also for the secondary commander because I've been trying to make land animation work for a year now
Graveyard Overdrive is actually great. Of the many times I've seen gameplay with these decks, it easily builds a board full of 6/7's because of how much symmetrical mill it has. However, thats in a vacuum. In a deck against anything else, it may do better or worse. If your opponents dont have planeswalkers or enchantments, there goes a whole bunch of power from your tarmogoyfs.
Its so funny that we rated the decks in opposite order.
Alternative commander coram for the jund deck is just awesome. The deck plays well with him. Make the changes to support him and the deck is even more powerful.
Ive pulled apart the omo deck. Its terrible and shes a weak commander.
Omo looks so fun as a lord tribal commander
Finally a commander for that deck!
@@NitpickingNerds I will say that a lot of the commanders from MH3 are so powerful i find them boring but Omo is so interesting and open ended that I simply had to build a deck around her
Isn't hour of promise already in the Tricky Terrain precon? Little mistake. Still love you guys
NOOOO good looking out!
Whenever I hear people criticize Disa on the lhurgoyf count, whether it be the deck or just number of playable lhurgoyfs in general, it reminds me that people have really wild ideas on how many of X you actually need for your deck to be an X-themed deck. This aint elves, you dont need 30+ Lhurgoyf cards in your deck for Disa's first ability to be absolute goof juice. What the precon needed MUCH MORE than 20 more lhurgoyf cards, were reprints like Tortured Existence, Altar of Dementia, and greater good to really put her first ability on overdrive.
Love this review series, please keep it up! I'm picking up Eldrazi Incursion and Tricky Terrain as a treat to myself!
I think invasion of ergamon would be the another battle consideration. While the effect isn't amazing it does give you multiple outlets to discard your goyfs, or just things you want in the yard.
Discarding is NICE in this deck for sure
I love the Eldrazi in all of their mind bending reality shaping power but Simic Value always has my heart
Even Eldrazi can't stop Simic
Picked up all 4 in a Bundle last night, and gave the Graveyard one to my friend Dan cause he really wanted to build Ghoyfrs through it.
The Goyf deck looks fun and will be a banger if you upgrade it!
@@NitpickingNerds Oh he’s already upgraded his, he sent us the link earlier.
I on the other hand have some Lord of The Rings Decks to build, as well as Rebuilding my Zhulodok and Sliver Decks..
THEN I can get to the New Decks I got on Friday. Plan is to have two Eldrazi decks xD
This new energy deck seems like it would feed the non-negotiable democracy robot pretty easily. I'm putting him in my upgrade for sure.
Siphon Mind is a bad take, that card is actually really good, 4 mana to draw 3 and have each opponent discard 1 is great value, not to mention scaling if you start playing 5+ player games
Mia laughing when Beezer says the whale is going to be so annoying in infect decks is proof she's a true and real infect player.
That was a tricky spot for the Moxfield ad, everyone was lying this time
We got them good 😎 (as usual)
Silver quill lecturer would go great in my ratadrabik deck :) get two Sheoldred the apocalypse and give one to an opponent? Sounds fun
I love garuuk so I would keep it or replace it with another garuuk that would be better. He is the boio second favorite plainswalker for me
The most outrageous card to put in Disa is of course Survival of the Fittest, which here reads ‘1G: put a Goyf into play and tutor a creature’ and even lets you grab a Goyf to keep going. But a close second at a tiny fraction of the price is Tortured Existence, which for her reads ‘B: put a Goyf into play and return a creature from your graveyard to your hand’. Absolutely silly.
also it’s lurgoyf permanent so entomb can get tarmagoyf nest into play
I wish I could put aggressive biomancy in my mono green fight deck with strong the brutish thespian
Buried Alive is so good with Disa on the field! but i went with Slimefoot and Squee with Disa in the 99
A changed sign is a happy sign! :D
A new era has begun
@@NitpickingNerds peace and prosperity for all signs
It's a shame the red deck is ranked the lowest. They can't all be bangers like Krenko Mob Boss and his mono-red goblins.
edit: I am so ready to spend some of my hard earned money on a Siege-gang lieutenant of my own. I need him in my deck.
Is there a link or list of the upgrades for the Jund deck? I couldn't find it on your Moxfield. I am really interested in what you did or would do.
Budget eldrazi? My Vela the Night Clad giving all my Zendikar devoid eldrazi Intimidate (only blockable by artifact or colorless creatures) has your back
More content creators that have no idea…. Graveyard Overdrive is the most explosive deck out of the four. A fucking $4 upgrade is the best card in the deck (buried alive). This deck is insane. You content creators need to play these decks before you comment.
Most of the content creators I’ve watched that played the decks right out of the box without upgrades all got absolutely wrecked by this deck.
Though I will admit the mana base of this deck is probably the worst mana base in the history of mana bases. It’s fucking god awful. Also yes, why the fuck the tarmogoyf was left out is beyond me, probably the same reason they left the Sliver Hive out of the Sliver deck….
Thanks for making me feel better after just picking this one up. I often get irritated with channels like these takes.
Ulalek in a flash deck to get stacking multi casts?
I dont understand why people are hing up about the Tarmagoyf thing - like most commander decks if you run the better of the 2 commanders, which is again the better commander, its a pretty ridiculous deck that still has room to grow
Because the thing about the commander decks is that you're supposed to get variety. It's not about running what's optimal. And yes, I do think Coram is awesome, but Disa should have a lot more support with Goyfs. The only ones I'd run if I were creating a deck would be the Nethergoyf, Polygoyf, Pyrogoyf, and Barrowgoyf. Those are the only ones with cool abilities. Without support from Goyfs, this is just a token creation deck.
I love magic making me go broke.
Hitting me right in the wallet
Have you guys ever checked out Reality A Games?
Picked up the Tricky Terrain precon at my LGS because I wanted to get into commander again, I can affirm you that it it a busted deck for the price you're paying.
Ulalek, Eldrazi Lovechild
Elephant GRAVEYARD in the Simic deck
I think tarmagoyf wasn't in the deck because they assumed anyone buying it already owns one 😅
Not putting Ugin the Spirit Dragon in a colorless deck? Whack. Likewise with no Scavenger Grounds in a 2 color lands deck with a desert subtheme? That felt like a card they should have had in the decklist and cut on purpose to not make the graveyard deck feel bad.
Huh...
Why the hell is the eldrazi deck 140...
All the lgs around my location sell it for the smae price as the others( 60euros)
Is it shops trying to scam their customers?
Is the gluttonous hellkite just a 5 mana 11/11 or am I missing something ?
I guess everyone had to sac a creature
Yeah but still it even has flample and scales super hard
It's HUGE
Kinda disappointed you guys would say spending over $300 is a good deal. Especially when some places online had them for just over $200 if you’d look. Perhaps the first time you’ve given advice that didn’t benefit the player. Great video otherwise.
They said spending $65 for the precon is good considering the cards are going for about $300 at presale
I don't think we specifically recommended buying anything; we want to give people the prices (Card Kingdom is our sponsor so that's what we use) and let them make the best choice after that. I think we did say that the Simic deck seemed like the best individual deal though
@@GSFDavidthat was my understanding
My store sold all four for $200
The whole bundle for $200 sounds like a decent deal. I really hope people aren't paying the premium for the Eldrazi precon
Eldrazi coolness tax is kind of a bummer
These precons look so mid to me. Not interested in any of them. Not horrible prices like commander masters tho.
I think it’s a decent spread, the deck choices themselves are a little weird aside from the energy one
$80 For the Eldrazi deck in my country, you guys definitely getting screwed over there
That’s way better 😭
Planar Nexus not being in the main set is going to keep it out of the hands of the masses. Wish it would have gotten the everything variation treatment but WOTC knew what they were doing when they printed that thing.
Wait is the whole video just a moxfield ad…
Can Arcane Signet add colorless mana for this new Eldrazi commander?
Sadly no ☹️
Arcane signet Will now tap for any one of WUBRG in an Ulalek deck where as in Zhulodok it tapped for literally nothing, cuz if something says "add 1 of any color" colorless isn't a color and can never be produced by that card.
Disa with dredge
guess 11:37 moxfield ad
Way off! :P
More ENERGY FOR MADISON LI
5 color eldrazi is so meh to me. its so against the theme of eldrazi and it feels like they are just going to keep making 5 color tribal decks cause wotc doesn’t know how to make tribal.
Please, please consider the fact that stores are paying around 50-60% when talking about value. That's the true value
Yeah it just depends who you sell to, could be stores, or friends or whatnot
22:45
No Moxfield here, only Amped Raptor
woot
HYPE
Real money tax dollars you liars!!
Soon our intros will devolve into unintelligible yelling
First
Gold medal!
I won’t have any money left after MH3 🫠
The set is so good 😭