Which Outlaws of Thunder Junction Precon Is The Best?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- Tomer analyzes, upgrades, and ranks the new Outlaws of Thunder Junction Precons!
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Intro 00:00
Desert Bloom 02:43
Quick Draw 14:29
Grand Larceny 24:04
Most Wanted 31:50
Final Rankings 39:29 
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I think people look at upgrading Gonti the wrong way. I don't think the focus should be adding MORE theft cards or cards that give value from playing from exile (except Tasha she's amazing). I think the goal is ramping ahead of your opponents in order to play the cards you steal more often and focusing on cards that reward you for attacking. There's a few ways to go about this and you can even mix them together.
Option 1 is to play cards that will untap your lands (preferably while it's still your turn). Great option include Nature's Will, Bear Umbra and if you're really balling Sword of Feast and Famine. These cards also synergize with your theme of getting value through combat. Other options are cards like Seedborn Muse will allow you to have mana up for all your potential interaction.
Option 2 is to play cards that allows you to play extra lands per turn. At first this may sound weird but from my testing a fair amount of the cards you'll be stealing are lands that feel subpar to hit most of the time especially the later the game goes on. However if you play cards like exploration or Azusa this allows you to ramp faster than your opponents and make the lands you steal a bit more valuable. This also helps your strategy by just having more mana to cast more spells that you stole.
The final option is to lean heavy in effects that reward you for combat. The precon not only wants you to be aggressive and swing at your opponents, it rewards you for doing so successfully. So I believe that leaning heavily into this not only helps you get that early game value since most of your evasive creature are low to ground as far as mana cost, it also opens up the support for a ninjutsu subtheme that the deck naturally synergizes with. Cards that fit this category include Thada Adel, Varragoth Bloodsky Sire (with has funny synergy with Opposition Agent), Glissa Sunslayer, Lord of The Void (which fits your stealing theme).
Finally some personal tech cards that may help include Lantern of Insight, Hunted Horror (it's hard to beat a turn two 7/7 with trample and the tokens it makes can be evaded by other cards), Cephalid Facetaker, Warkite Marauder (makes it safer for your less evasive creatures to swing), Xanathar, Opposition Agent (duh), Memory Lapse (usually pretty mediocre but in this deck it's kinda crazy) and finally Sonic Screwdriver and Kaito Shizuki (these just synergize with the deck very well).
I’d love to see manabase as a ranking criteria
manabase as a ranking criteria instead of the "personal liking" criteria sounds like a great idear
there could still be a "tomers favorite" in the end rating screen
Tomer’s back has to be killing him after carrying the channel for so long
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"Mom, stop commenting on my videos!"
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lol please, hes easily the weakest of the bunch
@@retrofuturistJL hey man. "back" it up there.
You can tell Tomer put in a ton of work with this video, good stuff
thank you for the extra work you put in for these decks.
Love your new style of reviewing the decks. it really helps to form a good impression, thx.
Stella Lee is for sure a cEDH commander, maybe the best izzet cEDH commander
Still needs testing but it has potential
I watched a bunch of content creators play these decks out of the box and I haven't seen the Sultai theft deck win a single game yet.
Spoilers..........
Watch LRR's Elder Dragon Social Club episode that went up today. Amazing, long game in which most of the decks pop off and the Sultai deck wins in the end.
Iv played it alot (modified) and its very strong once you upgrade it, although in the end it will always just be as strong as the decks your fighting
@@perinthia6829 decklist?
IMO Content creators games doesn't say much about how the deck plays. Decks need several games to learn how to play them.
I finally saw it win lol
Thank you for this! I love this format of ratings, hope to see more in future sets, and woukd you consider doing this for previuos sets? Im new to magic and really enjoy commander but not many sources exist that cover precious sets(plus maybe older sets have benefited from new cards)
Thank you for the video Tomer! :)
I’d like to see a category, not necessarily for upgrades with unlimited potential. But how good the deck is with 5-10 cards changed.
(Tomer here) I can mention it in the video going forward. But in this case it's Quick Draw 1000% and it's not even close, just because of the commander
@@BudgetCommanderStreams But if you don't want to go for infinite combos, what would the upgrades look like in that case? Does the spellslinger theme still have the most potential for simply streamlining the deck's performance with better cards, or is it tied with the lands one?
Omnath, locus of rage and avenger of zendikar definitely are finishers too in the desert bloom
For cuts in Most Wanted the mana rocks should be removed. There are an endless supply of high quality outlaws in the 2-3 mana range to play instead of mana rocks. With Olivia you want to curve into her naturally on turns 1-3, then on turn 4 play Olivia, and you immediately start triggering her to generate Treasure tokens. The treasure tokens even come into play untapped so you can leave protection up. Mana rocks ironically slow down your gameplan since you spend the early turns playing artifacts instead of playing the outlaws that make you treasure tokens.
It's not sufficient to just play outlaws turn 1-3 though. You need to play outlaws with good forms of evasion, which is more limited. Dropping a t1 outlaw with menace isn't going to cut it by turn 4. If this was say an Edric deck then it's very easy to just load up on 1mv unblockables / flyers and skip the ramp for sure, but that's not possible with outlaws (also the payoff is much worse). Instead I advocate running all the cheap outlaws with good evasion and supplement that with good early mana-fixing ramp so your early turns are all filled with impactful plays.
Tomer is the kind of player everyone wants at their table, but that spikes resent for doing splashy things without invoking the wrath of the table. Never change.
I’ve always loved gonti, and im a golgari guy, when i saw him there was no other choice
currently working on upgrading the desert bloom not a big deal, but you said 17 deserts in the deck, when there's 15 or am i missing something in the list?
Cards like fain and tradingpost make more sense in metas where the board isn't cleared every other turn. Personally i like them in partikular with enough sac fodder.
When I saw just the image of Quick Draw, I imagined it’s was drawing deck, I thought my I could have put My Lotus God in the deck. Maybe 🤔. But your upgrades I support it.
Yea Stella is super easy to break.
Tomer is a handsome man
Thanks for the review! It seems like everyone is extremely torn on these commander decks. I don't think there's been much consensus across different content creators haha. Lesson: go play the deck that appeals to you! 😄
Agreed. Every precon looks decent to me. Most wanted and Desert Bloom seem to get the most hate, but they’re still alright. Desert Bloom lacks some cards people wanted (disappointing reprints), but it’s still a functional deck with an interesting strategy (though many people want to see something besides the 100th Naya precon 😅). Most Wanted is all over the place, but it still works surprisingly well (+ I personally love the new cards like “Charred Graverobber” and “Back in Town”).
Lots of different opinions but I personally disagree with the heavier critics. None of the precons are bad.
i like the tomer rate at most.
on the other side power is the most booring to me. if i wanna play powerfull i go cedh instead of lying to everyone.
It is the Quick draw and it is not even close, even in casual setting, at least for me. The number of content creator games I have seen and the deck always pop off and spiral out of control. The Weakest is the thief deck which pain me a lot. It is a toss up between the Desert and Outlaw themed deck for me.. Both are good, but kinda "weakened" by their alt commander subtheme
Also, Stella Lee is already beginning to show some "results" in the cEDH community in their testing. The number of 1 card wincons with her is insane
Stella Lee looks like one of those commanders where you'll accidentally play an infinite combo because she enables them so easily.
@@imaginarymatter Yes and with EDHREC people are gonna see refocus, twisted fealty as upgrades without understanding it could lead to infinite. Still fun as a casual commander though
Grand larceny, and most wanted, feel better for my play styles. It is what it is. 😅
im actually making a jasper flint deck, seemed to be way more fun than olivia
seeing the final 3 and the Desert one is not there "imagine being soo wrong about desert power". in all seriousness it's the only one that is doing something unique as a theme considering how niche deserts are; we've all seen izzet spellslinger, thief decks, and treasures matter
I would be careful comparing Yuma to Hazezon and I think that consideration is very important when updating the Desert Bloom deck. Hazezon is the landfall commander -- you play deserts and make tokens. Yuma, however, is not a landfall commander. Nothing about Yuma's text cares about putting lands into play; desert or otherwise. And outside of deserts and Naya staples the decklist between the two should be very different. That's because Yuma is a graveyard commander. Yuma is a Naya version of Sidisi, Brood Tyrant. I think the upgrades you want are cards like dredge staples, wheels, Altar of Dementia, Greater Good... Hermit Druid and Underworld Breech. You want to turbo fill your graveyard with possibly the entirety of your library then win from there.
I think that's why the default deck feels unfocused. It's because it is trying to be both a landfall deck and graveyard deck and I think the upgrade should focus on one or the other.
You're correct, Hazezon and Yuma create tokens differently, with Hazezon having a landfall trigger and Yuma having a graveyard trigger. However they are indeed both Land Graveyard decks, as Hazezon plays Deserts from the GY so it cares about that too, and Land decks in general will always have a Graveyard theme to it since the best cards in the archetype are always things like Splendid Rec. And Yuma decks will always care about Landfall, since it's going to be mass reanimating lands. You are right though, the cards you list work much better in a Yuma deck than a Hazezon deck.
I think the default list is focused though. It's doing exactly what Yuma wants to be doing, discarding / sac'ing / milling lands and getting them back, even if there's a lot of subpar cards they all fit the deck goal.
Can I suggest an update to the points system so that that A=3pt, B=1pt, C=0pt. This would be like in soccer where a win in a league match gets 3, a draw gets 1, and a loss gets 0.
The moment u accidentally choose the Land mode of Catastrophe while piloting Desert deck... 🙆♂
I'm surprised Tomer is still on 3 Wraths for his deck techs when apparently everyone has to run 9 now 😂
And where’s the fog category?!?
@@robearto7961 Your opponents can't deal combat damage with creatures if they don't have any creatures.
(Tomer here) my decks usually run 3-4 these days, I try to run every good one-sided wrath available to me (there's usually 1-2 per archetype these days) and then usually two hard resets as well. My Changeling deck went up to 6 one-sided wipes recently but I noticed my opponents were not having any fun getting demolished that way so I dropped it back down to 4.
"I made a new scoring system because people didn't like that they ranked too similarly last time"
proceeds to give the decks 10, 10, 10, and 12
:^)
All I read before this video is hate to Most Wanted and Grand Larceny. Specifically with Grand Larceny.
I was seeing more hate for Most Wanted.
In any case, I bought both of those decks anyway for my own weird reasons.
no mount precon
At least take the decks out for dinner first
Stella's deck is lame and not even the prof could see it.
You should take out all the Tomer gradings and rankings no one cares
Wrong. I care a lot.
Bad take alert
@@troonlegend8317 angsty teen alert
what-lyzing?