The Original Xbox One Re-Tested: Can Microsoft's Weakest Console Keep Up With The Latest Games?
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- The Xbox One S replaced the original hulking Xbox One set-top box design back in 2016 with improved silicon, a slightly overclocked GPU and a far superior design - but where does that leave the original 'Durango' model console when playing the latest cross-gen games? Oliver Mackenzie finds out.
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00:00:00 Revisiting the original Xbox One
00:03:31 Cyberpunk 2077, COD Vanguard, Battlefield 2042
00:07:58 Elden Ring, Tales of Arise
00:11:25 Grid Legends, Forza Horizon 5
00:15:06 One vs One S: loading times and Performance
00:18:11 Final verdict: is the original Xbox One holding up? 
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I never upgraded to the One S before getting my current-gen console, so it's nice to see the OG get some attention at the end of its lifespan. A proper burial, if you will. Thanks Oliver.
The One S wasn't enough of an upgrade for me to justify the purchase, and the One X didn't appeal enough to me since I didn't own a 4K television. I still have my OG Xbox One hooked up to my television, but I recognize that it's getting long in the tooth at this point. It won't be too much longer before upgrading to a Series S is a necessity if I want to play the latest and greatest titles, and I'm fine with that. I want 2022 to be the final year of AAA support for last-gen consoles.
@@InJeffable you are selfish and probably havent seen what the xbox 360 and ps3 were capable of they managed to get lots of games even after 15 years of its lifespam and this generation of consoles is still new so there aren't any major changes to push back a game from the xbox one sistems especially the xbox one x that sistem is still capable and devs still make more money from last gen than current gen. Tripe a games are still posible on last gen if done with love and having in mind the capabilites of each sistem.
@@Alexutzzu how the heck is he selfish what ru on about loll
@@Alexutzzu I'm selfish because I want my Xbox One to become obsolete?
@@Alexutzzu The CPU'S in the 8th gen consoles are useless. The sooner devs focus on 9th gen the better as the 8th gen are really showing their age now with multiple games struggling to hold a steady 30FPS at sub 1080P.
I kinda wanna see a revisit to one of your older videos of PS4 vs GTX 750 ti(or any theoretical equivalent GPU as a matter of fact) to see how much optimized titles at the end of PS4's generation compare against the equivalent PC hardware after nearly 10 years since it's launch.
Will really highlight how much developers have utilised the hardware to it's full potential.
Edit:Hopefully DF notices this comment! I really want a comparison video of the PS4 vs equivalent GPU in multiple titles(especially sony exclusives),love you guys!
the ps4 ended up better than the 750ti.
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe Exactly,i would love to see DF make a revisit to the video they made once comparing the gtx 750 ti vs PS4 6 years ago.
Wanna see how cyberpunk 2077,HFW,Elden ring and many other newer titles which run at 1080P 30fps compare against a similar gpu
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe There is a bit of a common pattern going on. While in the past, raw compute performance (measured in GFLOPS and TFLOPS) didn’t matter hugely compared to other factors such as fill rate and polygon rate, you’ll notice that GPUs that aged better have had higher raw compute performance.
Case in point, the GTX 680 (3.25 TFLOPS) vs the Radeon 7970 GHz (4.3 TFLOPS). Formerly, the GTX 680 held a decisive lead in games (at the time of their release) over the 7970 owing to it's more efficient polygon and tessellation engines, however as games became more heavily shader bound (shaders love TFLOPS), this flipped quite dramatically, with the 7970 now beating out the 680 in modern games by some pretty large margins.
It’s unsurprising that this would be the same between the GTX 750 TI (1.389 TFLOPS) and the Playstation 4 (~1.8 TFLOPS). If you're pushing tons of geometry, the 750 TI is likely to come out on top, but when it comes to number crunching, the PS4 handily out-brutes the 750.
@@-BarathKumarS I think all those games listed have a dynamic resolution below 1080p. Especially cyberpunk 2077 it drops to 720p on base ps4 lol. But on the 750ti that game is almost unplayable
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe Yeah,i checked rn.
Cyberpunk 2077-Dynamic 1080P w/ 720P being the lowest @30FPS.
HFW-Checkerboard 1080P(Doesn't look that bad tbh) @30FPS
Elden ring-Naive 1080P @30FPS
Atleast the game is "playable",I'm really curious on how equivalent GPUs fare against the PS4.
Hopefully DF notices this comment!
The fact that the OG Xbox one is still pulling 40 to 50 fps on some of these current games is still pretty impressive since back when the console first launched the standards was 1080 30 fps
When it's launched most games ware running in 720p 30-60 fps. Consoles are sort of like buying new game. When it launch you buy worst version of product for most money.
@@lukasl3440 well at the same time PS4 was running alot of these games at 1080p while the Xbox was only at 720p but at the time the Xbox hardware wasn't as powerful due to them trying to be a all in one media box/ game console.
@@PTGN87 There were hardly any 720p Xbox One games other than Battlefield 4.
@@AlCatSplat that and cod ghost but Playstation was still doing those games at 1080p
I'm still surprised this video didn't include resident evil 8, it looks amazing on the xbox one. As well as the Dark pictures series
The 2005 kid in me would have gone nuts playing even with these resolutions and frame rates and dare I say this is still miles better than what the 360 and PS3 users had to endure with at the tail end of their lifecycles
The difference is its not 2005
@@adk4986 lmao exactly but the mind ponders....when I saw that 17-20fps gameplay it took me back to my old Pentium 4 days
I was all PC by 2005. No 30 fps for me yuck
Yeah look no further than Shadow of Mordor
i used to play quake 1 using a 468 dx4 pc that ran the demo1 benchmark at 7.5fps.
granted i played in a tiny window to achieve a playable 20fps, but that's still miles worse than this.
I was running an Original Xbox One (bought one after they dropped the mandatory Kinect) as my primary console until I finally managed to nab a Series X late last year. That thing was a trooper that gave me basically no issues. Only "issue" was when new games were coming out, we'd only get performance evaluations for the One S and One X, so I'd just kind of have to guess how well it would run on my OG Xbox One.
I'm still rocking One S. Cloud gaming works flawlessly for me so I enjoyed playing thru Halo Infinite at 60fps with better visuals. At this point I'm holding out for a mid-gen update, like an Xbox Series Pro or something.
@@basedsoothsayer straight wisdom
@@basedsoothsayer Same here. I still love my One S, I actually find myself playing it more than my Series X.
yooo !!! my brother from another motherr . exact same story here . been a struggle towards the end of the life cycle huh ?
because I really couldn’t afford getting both of the xone X AND the Series X 3 years later . I just couldn’t .
This console is 9 yrs old and wasn’t that powerful even in 2013. That said I think given it’s age what it can still output still impressed me. From what I can see if a game has been optimized well to the hardware the average gamer on a budget can still get by with an Xbox One quite happily.
I think its still fairly impressive what it is able to do 9 years into its life. Certainly need games to move on to next gen though at this point.
I would disagree. Most people still can't get their hands on PS5s, so for them, it should still be cross gen for at least another year. For Xbox, that I would agree.
@@Poppyblender definitely true. It wasn't like prior gens where the shortages were only for the first holiday season and into the new year. This has been going on for over a year and is entirely out of their control for a generation that's already been a hard sell due to a lack of exclusive titles or features that make it worth it over a PC or last gen systems.
@@Poppyblender but you can. On the ps website and store, walmart shipping, and amazon to an extent
@@Poppyblender my dude, I did my waiting. 5 years of it to get a PS4 when I was on PS3 from 2013-2018. I watched as people finished Uncharted 4, Storm 4, Destiny 2 and many others. I've since moved to a glorious monster PC in 2021 but I still remember the years of waiting. The PS4 players now can do more waiting, they have plenty of games to finish. Shit, even now I still have a TLOU2 profile pic and about 14 more games in my PS4 backlog with my PC backlog now forming.
@@snopdogg2x you cant buy it from ps store directly, you have to be on a waitlist of sorts and then wait to be choosen, amazon is either sold out or greatly overpriced, same with walmart. When I said what I said, I meant you cant get it without overpaying, or you cant buy it directly. bmajp
i was always curious about this. Since the One S launched, everyone forgot about the good ol VCR. I really liked the design, but it was a real fingerprint magnet. Not so far from the OG Ps4 as well.
I thought it was a pretty smart design; they definitely learned their lesson after the RROD fiasco
Series S is more powerful than PS4 Pro.
@@V3ntilator whos talking about Series S?
@@V3ntilator Duh. Nobody asked. He was taking about the One S, not the Series S.
Got one of those big boys the thing was so quiet in thought it would never die but a random update in 2017 bricked it and I replaced it with a one x which works to this day and I replaced that with XSX.
The 2013 "VCR" model was the first console i ever bought with my own money. I remember buying it and playing on a rainy Saturday after saving up and playing Titanfall, AC4 Black Flag, Forza, COD Ghosts, Dead Rising 3. Kinect was so cool and futuristic.
Was the first console I bought with my own money too. I got one later without the kinect. Definitely an upgrade from the 360, and being able to play almost all of my 360 games on it at a better resolution was absolutely amazing
Not exactly the 2013 model, but I got myself the Master Chief Collection bundle in Summer of 2015 in anticipation for Halo 5, was my introduction to Halo as well. I'm glad I did buy it since I've been a Halo fan since then. Only got around until 2021 to play Halo Reach on PC too.
As for other games, Black Ops 3 was a treat and also Rise of the Tomb Raider, that I still remember looking like one of the best games ever and to this day, holds up very well.
I’m pretty sure it was weaker so they could fit the Kinect into their price point. Big mistake. You can take away the Kinect but it’s not so easy to change everything else.
Eh, Microsoft made a bunch of boneheaded decisions for the Xbox One.
Aside from not correctly explaining their 'always online' situation, and the whole sharing of games, they did not make Titanfall (which had huge hype in 2013) an X1 exclusive (you could get it for the 360 and the PC as well), and recently we found out that they were approached by Marvel to do an exclusive game, (Marvel saw the excellent Batman Arkham Asylum games and wanted something similar), MS turned down that idea...we later got Spiderman on the PS4.
@@lazarushernandez5827 They need to start putting out AAA exclusives more often like Sony and Nintendo. My Xbox One is almost brand new because it collected dust last gen. I guess Xbox does the whole “online play with friends thing” better than the competition but their games are lacking. Yeah Microsoft bought a whole bunch of companies but where are the games?! It was all for Gamepass really. All I hear is a whole bunch of talk and hype for the future. I mean when is the next big Xbox game anyway?
@@herohunter81 don't bother asking they will tell you it's starfield and they last game was 76 one of the worst examples of a broken game made worse by greed that's the people they putting they faith in
@@lazarushernandez5827 A lot more people who had 360s would have bought the One if it wasn't $100 more expensive than the PS4, though.
@@lazarushernandez5827 xbox pre phil spencer were constantly making the WORST decisions. they were trying to beat the casual focused nintendo wii instead of the underdog ps3 (which eventually pulled itself up with the slim and sold better)
Honestly I’m amazed how an underpowered 10 year old console is still supporting 2022 games. It’s insane.
Sheesh has it really been 10 years?
The games are supporting the console... The console isn't doing the gaming industry any favors. In fact, it's holding back development. Can't wait until it's completely obsolete
@@6520G 8 and a half
my smartphone cpu is faster than the cpu (jaguar 8x 1.6ghz) of the xbox one is lol
@@woidmoasta4673 the GPUs carried that gen
I remember how happy I was when I first got my Xbox One, but compared to the PS4 Pro and eventually the Xbox One X I got, it's such an unfortunate console. I feel really bad for anyone who still has base PS4 and Xbox One at the moment, it's brutal.
I can’t even imagine what current game releases on the xbO and the ps4 are like. I upgraded to the pro and the X and those consoles felt like such a huge jump in technology from the base consoles.
@@TheUdonnoodle From some friends, I learned that it's tough. Loading menus takes forever in most games, we often have to wait for them to load in multiplayer games, and they have frequent crashes. Tough stuff.
Base PS4 is at least functionable but the Xbox one has been struggling for majority of its life
Playing elden ring on ps4 and its not that bad
I still am running base consoles.
To be fair here, MS didn't bet on DDR3 + ESRAM on being a better solution than GDDR5 RAM. They had a budget of which the Kinect was a huge part of and had to go with a cheaper, safer option so they decided on DDR3 + ESRAM. Sony actually completely lucked out by their own admission as they didn't know they were going to be able to secure 8GB of GDDR5 RAM at a viable price until pretty much the final hour. The PS4 was almost a 4GB machine, which would have changed things quite a bit. It was a gamble that paid off.
I'm still using my OG Xbox One, and I've generally had a decent time... until maybe last years releases, where everything from loading screens and framerates were truly slowing down (Insurgency Sandstorm, new Lego Star Wars, Elden Ring and a few others)
Really interesting to see this being looked at by you guys 👌
Yeah I actually picked up an OG Xbox one for $80 to hook up to my bedroom tv to play 360 games as well as the older Xbox one titles like borderlands and halo. For that purpose it's still great fun.
I think for a game pass holder, og xb1 still plays most of the games in the library, but yes, indeed starting last year, i did find some titles to be unbearable to play hence why i finally caved to getting a series x earlier this year. My broke the camel's back game was fallen order. Very playble still but the load times were excruciating
I just recently saved up for a series x and switched off of my old vcr Xbox, the performance increase is huge which is nice
Years of digital foundry about XBone games says otherwise, loll. Get a series s and you'll notice just how bad every game runs
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 I use my Xbox one for games like borderlands 3, metro exodus, Ori, halo MCC, indie games, 360 games etc. I got it for $80 for a bedroom tv. It's fine.
I have an original Xbox One and an old LCD TV, and I've never tried a newer Xbox in a newer TV, so I really don't feel the need to update to better performance (probably because I'm not used to having a better performance). That's because I still find the original Xbox One perfectly playable today.
Get the Series X, it will be one of the best items you purchase in your lifetime.
@@johnnydragon97no get Xbox one x
@@User-ge7ni Why would he want to get an old gen console, again?
Really enjoyed this one, I'm very interested to see how the Series consoles stand up in ~10 years, especially the Series S
Me too. If future consoles insist on being All-Digital, the Series S might age much better than we think.
@@PP7Silenced doubt it, even though I love mine. Storage is small - too small.
@@PP7Silenced they should have made it a little more powerful. It's a shame it can't even run xbox one x enhanced games. I shouldn't be able to play a ton of games on one x at the same framerate but much lower resolution than the series s. Anything that hasn't been patched/upgraded plays at a much higher resolution on a last gen console.
It's already aging... Questionably? The series S that is.
@@marcelslofstra2157 yeah it's good for back compat but current gen games are massive in file size
Honestly, the performance really isn't THAT bad for it being 9 years old. Yes 20 FPS dips suck, but if someone was poor and got one of them for $50 or so (I've seen old VCR models for that cheap), it would be still playable and enjoyable
I agree, no more than that though. Maybe $60 with controller+cables and a game or two. Anything more not worth it
Not to mention you can use it to play a lot of indies and older or retrocompatible games on gamepass.
I think up to $100 is a decent price.
Just traded mine straight across for a mint condition GTX 970!
yep am using with budget pc. am playing forza 7 and free to paly games halo infinte etc its run better than my pc. lastest game evil dead ı tested preview and it was ok. ı tested on pc cracked version it was not ok. elden ring and cyberpunk maybe only games run better on budget pc bcouse you can adjsut more.
OG Xbox One does support VRR.
When I connect mine to a Freesync display, VRR becomes a selectable option in the video settings.
I am unsure of the implementation and limits of VRR on the OG Xbox One, maybe DF should look into it, because there is zero information online about VRR on this machine.
It uses the exact same OS as the series consoles. VRR implementation on this generation of consoles is mostly software based, since Sony can just update the PS5 to support it. Support for the OG Xbox One was probably added in a firmware update not too long ago.
@@alexcalibur96 But the PS5 has a HDMI controller with hardware support for VRR on board. The software change on PS5 was simply to enable its use. From what I understood about the Xbox One VCR, it's HMDI controller did not . So I would be very interested from a technical level how exactly they implemented VRR on the HDMI chip of the Xbox One VCR.
Also to add- from my own personal (very limited) testing, 30fps caps are still in place for every game I've tried, but I dont think I have seen any screen tearing with it enabled.
Xbox One supports VRR in form of AMD Freesync, yes, but it does not support the HDMI forum VRR, which the Series X and S supports (in addition to Freesync). I might be wrong, but I think there was something about Xbox One OG not supporting Freesync 2.0 though.
Thank you for uploading in 4k. Gets around RUclips compression to a great extent.
I really enjoyed this video, it’s amazing to look back how Microsoft started really bad in 2013 and they managed to change that and improve.
I personally own a Xbox one s, the first thing I did was a ssd upgrade, that’s such a big upgrade, the menus are smooth now, less loading times and really helps on games like cyberpunk, like huge difference, the game streams almost at solid 30 fps all the time, also solves the pop up issue where textures don’t show up.
That’s a tip for everyone who has a old console, ssd upgrade and perhaps new thermal paste.
Love this idea! Any tutorials you can recommend?
Eh, I don't know if I'd risk replacing the thermal paste because a lot of these systems use x-clamps to hold down the heatsink and they're not really easy to remove and place back on if you're not technically-inclined. Obviously if you can do it, go for it. The SSD alone would offer enough of a difference for most people though.
@@SonicBoone56 The OG Xbox is A bit of a pain to get apart. The One S and X are really easy to strip down and clean . The X clamp is pretty simple to remove , I’m not sure where you go the idea it was hard ?
I did both SSD and Thermal Paste upgrades on my Xbox One S All Digital. It’s definitely helps Xbox One S cross over into the next Gen as a viable contender.
Nice work as usual DF! I wonder if it will be a video covering nowadays performance of ONE X specifically too
If the drought of new releases is leading to this kind of content then I’m all for it.
Your last few videos have been some contemplative and “evaluative” stuff that is super interesting. Excellent.
The things is if you get a used system and want to to a system reset to factory settings you need a internet connection to be able to use it . That is a major flaw for long term use .
Great video. Really interesting stuff. An SSD upgrade would likely significantly improve pop-in issues from steamed assets in some games. It’s possible to add an external SSD, or even upgrade the internal drive to an SSD if you wish. It would especially reduce seek times significantly, I expect.
Digging these retro and old stuff from DF. Quality work as always. I would wish for 2 further comparisons: external HDD and external SSD. From my experience, external USB HDD performed better than internal HDD.
I'd like to see the same video done but with an Xbox One. X. I recently upgraded mine with an internal SSD and noticed big improvements in Access load times. Great video, thanks for posting
Nice! This new guy might be pretty great...
Please keep up the good work and do more stuff like this!
(If Audi wants to make Limited Run Games infomercials, you guys wanna do podcasts, and things like "let's plays", etc., that's all good, but, please just never lose focus on this type of unique, in depth content that you can't find anywhere else!)
Honestly it's surprising that they can run current games on a console with DDR3 RAM, Jaguar CPU and a really slow HDD, I feel like the Xbox One is feeling its age a lot more than the PS4 (some games like Guardian of The Galaxy and Elden Ring still runs ''ok'' on PS4, but suffers a lot of downgrades on Xbox One and still can't maintain resolution or frame-rate), but still... it's surprising what they can run on it.
It's still a great option today as it's literally the cheapest console alternative anywhere in the world, it's not the best, but it manages to be even cheaper than the base PS4 today.
I have a launch Xbox One that I upgraded the HDD in to a 1TB SSD, it definitely has issues with newer stuff, but for older, less demanding titles, it's been a great machine for our basement gaming setup, especially, as a media streaming machine when I'm on the elliptical or to just play something light like Prominence Poker or some 360 titles.
It's an excellent Xbox 360 the way the latest hardware is an excellent Xbox One. I really appreciate the backwards compatibility. Finally got around to playing Red Dead Redemption for the very first time last month and happy I waited 12 years to play it on more capable hardware.
I do not see why unless money is tight. The Xbox series consoles are in stock.
@@eternalbeing3339 Not everywhere, a Series S is, I see them all the time but, a X, never saw one in the store yet...and a lot people say that...
@@PP7Silenced Yep, the Series S is the best Xbox One you can get!!!
Especially for games that support FPS Boost, VRR, DRS etc.
Series S totally sorts out GTA V Online for example. It was almost unplayable on the actual XB1.
Also, 60fps shooters like BF1 and BFV get a locked 60 and the resolution scaler is maxed out all the time (when on Series S).
Gotta love Prominence Poker!
As always a great video from Olie. I think that the best thing for the last generation consoles is to upgrade the hard drive to an SSD, either internal or external. That make things a lot faster (loading up the system, menus, games and even some in game aspects).
Really great video, Keep up the great work man!!
I have my OG Xbox One upgraded with an internal SSD. Much better experience versus the HDD. Don’t expect a Series X, but definitely a worthy upgrade to an older console. Games run much better in addition to loading faster.
How did you get it upgraded? I thought it cannot be done even on the One X :(
After watching this video, I wonder how much a deep clean, fresh thermal paste, and an SSD would help the OG Xbox One not suffer so much. Since these consoles are so old, you don't have to worry about your warranty lol
That would easily bump up FPS and remove all stutters.
Judging by the One S I have with an SSD.... not much honestly.
The XBone could barely keep up with it's generation of gaming. There's no improvements to be found
It’s being held back by the weak cpu.
So, does the Xbox One have variable clock speeds? It would be the first Xbox console ever to do that if it did. Normally consoles have a set clockspeed and keep it there to reduce stutters.
This is the best DF video in some time (at least for this long time xbox owner). Great watch.
Watching this in March 2024 makes me realize how I truly appreciate older systems at the tail end of their lifespan. Grabbed a ps1 shortly before the ps2 was announced and had a massive library to select from via my local pawn with whatever money I was able to scrounge up. Did the same with ps2. Grabbed an OG Xbox in like, 2005 and had a blast for about a year along side a GameCube I found at a yardsale. When I saw Gears at a buddy's house I was absolutely floored and made it my mission to grab a 360. I think I got that in 2007, played the hell out of that system and never got rrod. I've got every console under the sun now except a ps5. I feel like that sucker is going to have some staying power that I'll want to bank on later, once physical media whimpers it's last breath. Between now and then, I've got my ol' reliable xboxes and steamdeck for anything that tickles my curiosity.
Even asking this qustion says as that this current gen now - its not next gen. just a little modified consoles
The load times could be longer on the original hardware because of the age of the hdd. That's my theory, since they should have theoretically the same hdd speeds or it could be that the esram is slightly faster on One S which also could result in the faster load times. But it's likely the 9 year old hdd in the VCR Xbox One
Would it load faster with a better hdd or it wouldn’t make a difference?
You could put in an SSD to further improve load times although they won't reach next gen loading speeds
@@nyrican4 would definitely help with pop in and streaming
@@lolcat exactly, cyberpunk is a much better experience on a USB3 SSD
@@livingthedream915 This is why I despise modern gaming. Back in the day, (before PS4/XB1), the older a system was, the BETTER the games looked. Developers would figure out better ways to optimize the limitations of the consoles over time. But today it's the exact opposite. Now you are basically FORCED to upgrade your console every couple of years, or the game that you PAID FOR will look and run like complete garbage, and the developers just don't get a damn. Why aren't more ppl mad about this?
Oliver is a great addition to the DF team, and btw he has a great voice and vocal tone, way understandable even for an Italian like me.
Incredible how well it holds up in some instances, even when it was brand spanking new people complained about its graphical & performance issues.
To me it’s kinda a litmus test to how any game may run on the Switch considering it’s the only 8th gen system weaker than the OG Xbox One, and there’ll still be games released on it long after the XB1 it looks like.
We really don’t deserve you DF please never stop being gods on RUclips love the content as always thank you DF
Now do a ps4 revisit.
the slowdown in the grid replays just makes them more ✨cinematic✨
Thanks for checking Tales of Arise. One of my favorite JRPGs as of late, and I wish more people knew about it
I've been rewatching your videos featuring the Xbox One just praying you would have 1 more someday. This is the best thing I could have ever gotten from you guys! Will you do the same for the first generation PS4?
There's no point. The first generation ps4 has the same performance as the ps4 slim.
@@DrJones20 I didn't claim otherwise, I meant the earliest version of the PS4, PS4 slim would be fine too but in the context of making a similar video it would make sense to also use the first iteration of the console.
@@SimisFul No it does not make sense because they have the same hardware specifications. Xbox One and Xbox One S does not
@@DrJones20 Wow you're dense. You're arguing about something no one is disagreeing on here.
Runs surprisingly well, all things considered. You can even transition to higher end systems down the line and not lose many games by doing so. The biggest problem is how smudged games look.
No it doesn't, are you crazy?
@@Yuri-xx2gi It doesn't run well but still better than expected
Is that a quote from CDPR's CEO?
@agapp11able That is absolute nonsense
@agapp11able If you can't see a difference there is truly something wrong with you.
Thanks for making this video, i love seeing the differences between old consoles. Although i cant stop being curious to see how it would perform with an SSD instead of the stock HDD. I heard that fps is way more consistant with that.
That was really interesting. I loved my xbox one, I moved straight to the one x then series x so it was cool to see more focus on the older hardware, and especially the comparison of one and one s
I still have my xbox with the kinetic and mine still works. I play games like Overwatch, Dead by Daylight, COD. With cod Idk if it's my xbox but in campaign some of the graphics are blurred going from background to front. But the only issue is that I had to replace the cord but it still works. Hoping it last till the next xbox.
*Kinect
Good video.. BUT I wish they had shown what a SSD upgrade would do to frame time versus the original slow 5400rpm hard drive. 🤔
SSD upgrade would have no impact on frame time, i assume you must mean load times which ofcourse would be improved. i don't think its relevant though since they are testing original hardware, not modified original hardware and as you say, if it does not come with an SSD as standard then why test it, like you said... the original hard drive is slow, so how it performs today is the whole point.
@@jinx20001 it will maybe help for assets streaming I think...like DF already tests in games like ff7 remake on the ps4 side....for unreal titles at least...
It would run the same. SSD would marginally help load times and maybe reduce some of the streaming stutters found in FH5, but not much else.
It would help with streaming assets like Cyberpunk 2077 and Forza Horizon 5. And of course loading times but besides that the fps are the same.
@@pesfreak18 yeah right
Thank you for this pretty interesting allegory of the curious case of the XBone. Thanks new guy, dude!
got mine back in 2016, its had all kinds of things spilt on it but it still works fine
I would love to see another video on how the SSD can improve pop in and framerate in some games on one, one s, x and ps4 if you guys have the chance. Very curious to see which modern games hitches can be fixed by faster hard drives. I know newer games are becoming more and more designed around SSD so I'm positive there is some what of an effect in some of these newer games. Cyberpunk for example. Although there's still very little cpu overhead im sure it's enough to improve some games
SSD shouldnt improve frame-rate, if the jaguar cores that struggles are already the problem streaming in the world. It might help with some stuttering but I see that cpu being the limiting factor
@@imo098765 I agree that stuttering can be eliminated but it depends on the way assets are being streamed the have already done a video showing how it can turn into higher framerates
@@Starkiller12481 thats only if the HDD itself is too slow but the cpu itself is the problem for many of the newer titles.
@@imo098765 the HDD is certainly the problem for a lot of new titles frostbite was one of the big culprits in this video they did frostbite is still being used in battlefield games today and would also likely still show improvements in some areas that are streaming assets virtually the entire game like bf2042 128-playef mode as well as CoD Warzones huge map. Even though the CPU is a major streaming bottleneck HDD is part of that pipeline as long as there are streaming bottlenecks both CPU and HDD speed will be bottlenecks the test would be to identify how often this is still occurring and to what extent. SSDs are no magic bullet but it is undeniable that depending on the game it can be the difference to having drops to ths 50s or a slight dip to 59 for less time
@@Starkiller12481 I'm not saying it isnt, but does the ps4 and ps4 pro, xbox 1 S and X have the same behaviour?
I've had the feeling for some time that most developers stopped doing any serious optimization work for the Xbox One (S) around 2018 and focused on just the One X. I mean, how many videos have there been on this channel where the One X and PS4 Pro versions of a game have been pretty good, the base PS4 has been passable with a few framerate hiccups, and the One (S) version has looked and played horribly?
It's highly likely that happened. The OG XB1 and XB1 S had the harder to deal with split DDR3 + eSRAM memory setup while all the other consoles had uniform GDDR5. The *much* smaller but faster 32MB of eSRAM in the XB1 and XB1 S had to be specially programed for to make full use of, and even then it had limitations. So it is likely that most devs just designed their games for the easier to use and larger install base of the uniform GDDR5, and then cut down their game as much as they could to get it to run somewhat reasonably on the XB1 and XB1 S.
@@KenMathis1 the series consoles also have split ram
@@fandangobrandango7864 Yes, but it functions completely differently. In the XB1, the *much* smaller 32MB eSRAM was used as a very fast scratchpad to do calculations while the slower main memory DDR3 was used to feed that scratchpad data. To optimize for the XB1, devs had to make sure complicated calculations didn't need more that the 32MBs of that scratchpad. This could required major architectural changes that weren't needed for any other target platform. That why it is likely that many devs simply didn't do them.
With the Series X, the main memory is 10GB, and contrary to the XB1 is the fastest memory on the system. All main calculations are intended to be performed directly in that main memory. The other 6GBs in the system are slower, but nowhere near as slow as the DDR3 was to the eSRAM in the XB1. It is meant to hold the OS and other data that doesn't need fast data access. There is much less optimization that needs to be done with the Series X to fit its split memory because all data is meant to be accessed where it is. It doesn't need to be moved to a much smaller and faster pool first.
Now there are two caveats. First is that it likely does take a bit more effort to manage the Series X's memory, but the weighted average memory bandwidth between its faster and slower memory is actually still higher than the PS5's static bandwidth so that isn't much of a concern.
The second bigger issue is with the Series S. It has 40% of the Series X's weighted average memory bandwidth, which puts it considerably slower than the PS5 and Series X. Using lower resolution textures helps somewhat, but it looks like that's not a complete fix, which is why the Series S has had to cut features beyond just resolution for some games.
highly unlikely, most people have the base consoles
@@jesusbarrera6916 Yes, but the PS4 outsold the XB1 by around 2x, and the base Xbox One & S had a memory architecture that needed specific optimization with its ESRAM that was different than all other consoles of the generation, including the XB1 X. The Xbox One & S simply didn't have enough market share to make it worth the developers time to design games around it, or to sacrifice features that would work fine on the other consoles in the name of parity.
An interesting video and look at those newer modern games running on the older Xbox One hardware, definitely neat to see it featured in a video, even if it's a mixed bag of results in general😂 I still have and regularly use my 'OG' Xbox One, though mines from mid-2015 after they dropped the mandatory Kinect requirement and I got it for a nice price/deal at £275.99 with newly released Project CARS included at the time too, that game cost like £50 new and an Xbox One it self was £300 alone, so I saved some cash and got a nice kick-start to my first experience of what was then 'next-gen' gaming!😎👍
I do of course have an Xbox Series X too, which I've had for nearly a few months now and it was a HUGE upgrade in performance/graphics etc for my gaming experience, but I still like to use my Xbox One and even my Xbox 360 E (styled like Xbox One) to play games on those platforms too!
I went from the base model “VCR” Xbox One ( *after* they dropped the Kinect requirement) to the Xbox One X in March 2020. Absolutely no complaints here! I did also get an Xbox Series S *on sale* this year exclusively for next-gen exclusive titles like Microsoft Flight Simulator or next-gen enhanced games like Train Sim World 3
Would love to see similar video for the base PS4.
@@will891410 *gddr5
Same here, I expect that they will make one and I'm looking forward to it. I obviously expect the PS4 to also show it's age but I do think it will do significantly better due to the more powerful GPU and faster RAM.
The base ps4 has the same specs as ps4 slim so not a lot to see
Base PS4 most games run 1080p 30fps which is good unlike the terrible Xbox One.
I doubt that will happen. First, we already get PS4 performance analysis with every released games. We didn't with the OG XB1, which is why this video added value. Second, what would you compare it to? Its specs haven't changed, and there are plenty of existing PS4 vs PS4 Pro comparisons. And finally, it just wouldn't be that interesting. Until recently games were designed to run on the PS4 since it had by far the largest console install base. As a result, they ran fine unless there was a major problem with the game, but that says more about the developer than the PS4.
The fact that this console can perform at least a 30 FPS in new generation games is impressive.
true, being able to play re 7 and 8, cyberpunk, evil dead, elden ring, nhl 22, lego star wars on the og xbox one is very cool
Hairy men
I'm a proud owner of the Xbox VCR, and it still holds up pretty good, but some recent games seem to run on what would be the equivalent of a PC low setting. Fine by me if I can still play current games, since I don't have condition to upgrade to the next gen yet.
Ollie has style. the mood lighting and chill music were very nice. He's a great addition to an already excellent team, Rich!!!
Wow that's super interesting.
As someone who primarely used a One S until December 2021 and still uses it almost daily as a secondary console for playing on the desk or taking it to friends, I'm glad to have the S.
Cyberpunk feels at least playable on my One S and the Streaming issues in Cyberpunk, Forza Horizon 5 etc. are also not present at all.
I'd assume it really is the old worn down hard drive since my day one base PS4 has some similar issues despite the higher bandwidth memory. Need to replace it's drive soon.
For the PS4 do the SSD upgrade, major difference in loading on some titles and texture loading is really good on some titles, where it struggled a bit on the spinning disk.
Or if you want it bit cheaper, you can go for 2 tb sshd around 80£ or so. Just make sure it's for gaming
@@kz0010 yeah I actually used one of those for like 2 years but I ended up using downgrading my PS4 back to it‘s original 500GB so I could use the 2TB as an external for my Series X.
Might get a new one or just save money for a PS5.
IMHO it performs still better than X360 / PS3 in their late years. Remember Shadow of Mordor?
Am still running this. Ive replaced the power brick 3 times. But it still runs fine. I love this thing
Something to keep in mind is that you can use XCloud from the Xbox and access the game pass library, getting the performance from next gen. Of course this option is not available for everyone and not for every game. But depending on what you want to play, that can increase the lifecycle of the machine
yep, i was playing flight simulator on a shitty 2007 pentium dual core laptop and it was running like a champ. xcloud is actually pretty useful.
Stuff on the PS1 and N64 used to dip to 15 fps and below regularly and the graphics were WAY worse than any game shown here by 1000x. You can buy an Xbone or One S for like $100 and have a gaming experience that I would have hid bodies for when I was a kid lol. It's all about perspective. Imagine taking this "bad" performance back to 1998 and showing someone Cyberpunk on the Xbox One on a 1080p TV. People in that time would think you were some kind of God with powers to make the most amazing looking games the world would ever know. Then you could be like "yeah, in 2023 this is crap hardware for peasants..." XD
I upgraded my OG Xbox One to a One S back when Battlefield 1 came out. I mostly wanted it because the One S had a 4k blu ray player, and the original only had regular blu ray. Being smaller and slightly more powerful was just extra for me. I still use my One S, but it is essentially only used for 4k Blu rays and Rock Band 4. I have my gaming PC, and with gamepass, there is kind of no point to own an xbox at this point.
nah, I just use my pc to stream and my Series X to game
@@nick13b Isn't there latency when you stream games?
I still own my OG Xbox One, but I also have a One X that I'm using for the more demanding titles that are still supported by 8th gen consoles. The OG One is an excellent second console to run older One titles plus backwards compatible 360 and OG Xbox titles. The latter two are an especially great option if you decide to System Link the OG One into a multiplayer setup for local multiplayer. I've been doing that for older titles like Halo Reach, CoD Black Ops 2 zombies and Crimson Skies High Road to Revenge whenever my friends come over to play games for our own personal Game Night. Having the OG Xbox One linked to my 360 S, One X and Xbox original makes for one hell of a great party night. Eventually, when enough next gen exclusives come out and when the prices for memory cards go down, I'll pick up a Series X and add it into the setup with the rest of my linked Xbox consoles. One giant happy Xbox family all ready to play. :)
My forza 6 edition lasted me till I picked up a Series X in December. I probably would have kept using it too if I hadn't gotten lucky. Now it's back in it's box as a collector item. Despite all of xboxs launch issues and stuff I still loved mine and horizon 2 will be amongst my fondest memories. Amazing console either way
People are starting to forget this existed. When I ask friends/acquaintances what console they have, I REGULARLY hear "The original Xbox one" and the are referring to the white S.
I can’t believe they put 5400 rpm hard drives in these things
it was the norm in 2013
Finally! A video about this Xbox One playing the most recent releases to see how it holds up in performance!
For a casual gamer, the base xbox one is still fine, I'm having fun playing games with it, it's quiet, doesn't take space, has game pass and it's really cheap, I'm not saying don't get the newer consoles but the one for what it is, it's a great bargain.
They really should've figured out a way to bring back Snap with the new consoles. It was my favorite feature of any video game console, used it ALL the time.
I find myself missing that feature all the time
Snap?
@@camposjesus3725 it was part of the Xbox operating system that allowed you to watch Netflix, YT, or live sports in a small portion of the screen while you played a game on the rest of the screen “picture in picture” style. Also you could switch to where the football game or Netflix would be in the large part and the game window would be in the small part. It was originally a big selling point of the system.
Why did they remove that
@@rixzin5046 It didn't work so well on the weak OG hardware. That and originally 3 out 8GB of RAM was always set aside for the OS, so to help game performance, in an update to the system they freed some of that dedicated RAM up and in the process had to kill the feature.
Love to see this compared to 10 year old PC hardware on modern games.
I had a 11 year old PC, it started to struggle with the Witcher 3 a little bit but Cyberpunk was even worse, I had to lock it to 30 FPS so I gave up playing it until I built my new machine
@Boinz i5 and gtx 980 are moooore powerfull that the ps4 and one APU's...a radeon hd7970 (near xbox one specs) couldn't stand games nowadays like xbox one does I think...
@Boinz Yes I wasn't sure for the model, but you get the idea...I really doubt that a pc with an amd athlon A1 cpu and a 7850 will run games like the one does
@Boinz of course ;)....good old days forever gone 😭😭😭😭😭😭😅
its 8 years. it lauched end of 2013 which makes 2014. 6 plus 2 is 8. we half of 2022 so its 7.5
I have a real soft spot for my OG Xbox One. Still use it to this day in our living room, while having all the other consoles in the dedicated gaming cave.
With an internal SSD instead of the old HDD it works surprisingly well still.
Had this OG X1 since 2015 although I mostly play newer games on my PS4pro or PS5 I still play my X1 but lately been playing older OG Xbox or 360 games than newer ones. Recently replayed a used copy of red dead 2 and resident evil village on it and surprisingly I was impressed with how it holds up
They should simply use The Power of the Cloud to reach 1080p60.
😂
Mój xbox one original był tak na prawdę moją pierwszą konsolą ever! Przedtem byłem niby "PC master race":P Mam go do teraz, rzadko odpalam, ale działa and I love it:)
Was all of the console B-Roll footage self-shot? it's pretty fancy.
I have an OG One Halo 5 version, when I played Fallen Order (while not crossgen on release I think?) I knew it was time to upgrade
Retired my Halo 5 limited XboxOne a while ago for the X1X. The Halo og is a good looking console. Very quite and reliable also. Still loving my 1X though...my favorite design by Microsoft so far..with the Xbox360S being a close second.
That Halo and MW2 console were the best looking custom consoles ever made, always wanted one never could get one.
@@sean70729 Yeah pretty much. Both are great looking.
As far as custom consoles I always loved the Gears 5 cracking ice looking X1X. Never got one though.
@@sean70729 I adore the Halo 3 console. It's absolutely beautiful
Modding my 360 with an ssd help alot with pop-in in games like Dragon's Dogma and battlefield. i wonder how much a sata ssd would help the xbone.
Using an External SSD with XONE since 2015 and can confirm the load times are cut in half for most games. Older games load even faster.
You must keep in mind, Microsoft and sony were still shipping out 512gb to 2tb *5400rpm* hard drives till the very end. slapping in a 4tb 7200rpm hdd(and later an ssd) made a massive difference in performance(barely having stutters seen in the video with some games here, and much faster load times, cant do anything about the wild framerates).
Mod your disc drive on your 360 so you can play burned games. That will help more.
@@eternalbeing3339 I fried my disk drive. Got the serial backed up but haven't been able to find a replacement. I can play "backups" off a USB drive now, though.
Neat to see these comparisons for this almost retro console! I always try out new crossgen releases on the Mattrickbox (sorry, launch Xbox One), just to see what works and what doesn't.
It seems like as the console reaches obsolescence Microsoft should take what they learned and implemented in the series X/S on the og xbone via system wide toggles/variables so users can try to adjust certain details for a better experience. i.e. frame caps, resolution tweaks etc.
Overall it sounds like og xbox one has difficulties with cross gen that lean into the experience I felt playing a lot of demanding games on a ps3 (Sony exclusive titles aside). There is still a lot one can tolerate with the stiff and low framerates, and I am sure those still using the console are fairly used to it at this point. or as some commented, folk use it as a tertiary console for the kids room or rumpus room.
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One thing I am curious about is if you have ever run comparisons between an original xbox game and how it stacks across the 360, xbone/onex/series s/series x. It'd be neat to see just how much fidelity or evolution of pereformance it could muster across the life of it. though maybe thats more DF Retro territory
Thanks for all your hard work. I hope eventually you can feature your mug in these so yer less a faceless voice. :) was kool to see ye in the weekly vidcast!
Really sad to me that this is now considered the weakest Xbox console now. I don't care what anyone says, it's still a super powerful console to me, and its doing very well even for me now in 2022. And if you ask me, the design of the OG Xbox One is beautiful
Its nice, and luckily you can get a series S just about anywhere for $300 or just under. I got mine at a GameXChange for $270
Super powerful ? Really ? This thing was underpowered even when it launched
@@madoc1 he said to him tbf, perhaps by his standards it’s much more powerful than any console that could’ve come before it.
Same. Considering I play a lot of both older and new but non demanding games it's plenty powerful enough for me. I don't plan on upgrading to a series X until this thing dies. Graphics and frame rate just aren't all that important to me on console. I'm playing through Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus right now on my original Xbox One and it runs great to my eyes. No complaints. I played through Far Cry 5 on it as well and while the initial loading times to get into the game were pretty bad it ran completely fine otherwise.
Use what you got. Love the one. Even tho I got the ps4 first. The one s was my favorite. I have a one x atm. It’s the true Xbox one. Modern warfare in 4K was so next level to me. The visuals were so massively different that I didn’t even wanna get the series s anymore and Xbox has always been a budget console to me. If ur going from the og to next gen. Go for the x u will be mind blown. Consoles finally caught up to pc speed.
Try running it on an external SSD, that should help with frame rate a little as well as texture pop in.
I'm still running a modded One from 2014, a Noctua NF P12 and a Crucial 1TB SATA SSD internally. The texture pop in problems are from the HDD loading due to lack of ram. On SSD its not an issue at all and the Xbox menus and boot times are much lower but sadly microsoft patched the ability to SSD swap it a few years ago. On top of that due to lack of SSD optimization the speeds have slowed down over the years since I can't TRIM the drive... Still a good console for racing games and some older titles anyways. All the modern titles I run on PC now.
You can still update to a ssd. Just install the blank drive an run the osu1 update from an usb thumb drive.
I confirm, it's pretty straightforward today. Osu1 is doing most of the work. That's what I did on mine.
You lose the Xbox logo at boot, but it's restored at the next update.
The lack of trim is a valid concern, but so it is when using an external SSD. And Seagate has been selling some of them for quite some time, as officially branded Xbox products, said to also be compatible with Xbox 360. If the lack of trim was that important, I don't think selling them would be a thing.
Anyway, not so long ago it was possible to TRIM Sandisk SSD through usb with their ssd dashboard, and an external enclosure supporting UASP, but it seems to have disappeared the last time I tried. I usually do that with a 60GB SSD I play around with for my 360.
@@railpao you can install the Xbox boot logo it's not hard
@@chriswright8074 The whole point is to not touch the ssd after that initial setup.
Anyway, it is restored after a system update, so why bother ?
You can still put an SSD inside the XB1S. It works a treat on mine. Games run smoother now. Don't know about the VCR model.
Can you maybe trim the SSD by removing it and then connecting it to a PC running Windows or Linux (use a SATA to USB adapter)?
Bit of a faff, but might be worth the effort overall? 'Smart Defrag' from 'IO Bit' would work I think.
I missed this episode when it came out. I never got the One S, but waited for the One X. Was running the elite one model till then. It had the hybrid drive.
I had a blue Forza edition original Xbox. It was beautiful. Loved that I could be watching college football in the corner while playing my Xbox. What a time it was.
Battlefield 2042 is a “console pushing showcase” ya if you’re showcasing terrible optimization that statement is true. 😂
One of the reasons why i only play on PC nowadays. Battlefield 2042, Cyberpunk 2077 etc. runs buttersmooth on PC. No performance problems in any of these or any other game. On top of it i get 1440p/165hz.
@@V3ntilator you also run up a huge electricity bill as well as you had ot shell out 3x the money just to get the hardware. not worth it imo.
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe different strokes different folks. Me personally I’ve always been console. Ps5 and series x are by far powerful enough for me.
@@braedonlock3359 same I hugely prefer console. I do own a pc I built in 2016 with a core i7 4th gen and gtx 1070. It costs me a little over 1k at the time and falls far current consoles. I barely use it apart from apex legends because they haven't added 120fps to the console versions yet.
@@V3ntilator yeah, on *any* PC? why no PC player ever will ever speak on price comparison (yeah, between OG XBOX now and whatever *PC* you're referring to here) Its pathetic to hear these comments from PC players with god only knows how expensive PC's being like 'YEAH, i outsmarted Y'all!!!' XDDD
Original Xbox One cloud gaming is like playing on Series X 👍
My original 2013 One died last year. It served me well
I've still got this beast hooked up right next to my Series X. Fun fact, the Wii-U fits perfectly on top without blocking any of the fan vents :D
Here you go 🍪
It's sad that we finally got some capable hardware and it's being held back by the last generation. I get that there are shortages so not everyone can get current generation consoles right now but it is unfortunate. Especially after the underwhelming upgrade we got last generation.
Yeah but it's always like that these days. Next gen hardware doesn't get really impressive until a couple years into its life.
As long as there are PC's, that's what will always hold back console gaming. You know nothing
@@taurussho86 You don't know what your dad's name is, be quiet
@Scarlet Dani Accusing people of projection is also peak projection, you're going to have to get up earlier next time bud
@@taurussho86 lmao what How TF does PC hold back consoles if it was not for AMD or NVIDIA you would not have any these new gen consoles
I'm still rocking the One S and it still holds up just fine. Will probably grab a Series S eventually.
Buy a oled tv with a series X and see if your words still hold up. Its a different world mate
@@lordmaster2562 lol I'd love to but we are remodeling the house rn. So my wife would literally kill me before I got the TV and console unboxed.
show her who is boss and do it anyway
Same here. Waiting for the digital Series X to upgrade though. Fingers crossed for a shorter xCube.
@@lordmaster2562 "Buy this expensive luxury first". I'm still using my good ol' 10-Years-old Samsung 1080p tv even for ps5. Not gonna buy some fancy pancy tv if my old one works fine enough.
The new OLEDs with the important Feature Sets (Fulll HDMI 2.1 Support, decent hdr, (BFI)) are still very expensive. Also, Series S is a good deal for a budget.
that race car Ferrari in grid legends invoked my childhood memories of playing Ferrari challenge on the ps2
when you replace the HDD with a SSD reflow and upgrading the cooling, the VCR model still runs like a champ, like the switch, it just needs extra optimization for things to run
cyberpunk doesn't as bad on my VCR model as they showed here
Istg y’all make last gen consoles look like artifacts just because there not new gen
Time moves pretty fast. They stopped making all Xbox One consoles by the end of 2020. Support is running out fast on them. The PlayStation 4 Slim 1TB remains in production though.
10 years in the tech world are an eternity, they are pretty much artifacts.
I've been using the "VCR" Xbox One these last years as well and while I haven't played any of the big titles from this video, I did notice very different results in the "double A" space as well. Chorus for example runs absolutely fine on Xbox One and looks excellent, but I had to stop playing King's Bounty II on the system as the streaming issues were too annoying to deal with (interestingly enough they mostly affected the music, making it loop certain parts of a track repeatedly or just not load altogether for extended periods of time).
4:02 really takes me back to Goldeneye. Lol
Also as a whole the console is still very good on a 1080p Tv. Media apps work well and with gaming you are still getting a better experience then the ps3/360 offered in there swan song years.
True and it's crazy the same can still be said for Xbox 360. Ended up watching some RUclips, Netflix, and playing Portal 2 on my old 360 a couple weeks ago when friends were in town for a wedding. We eventually forgot we were playing on 15 year old hardware.
@@PP7Silenced you never forget you are playing on old hardware. plugging my ps3 into my modern tv and every game is a blurry mess. thats why i avoid using it now and its just there for show.
a 360 with a hdd didnt have 2 second freezes and stuttering like the one has in some games i can tell you that much. though 20 fps was to be expected in alot of games.
A main point of mine is that xbox one games age better then 360/ps3 games, gears 5, rdr2, Forza horizon 5, unravel 2, inside etc still offer a good experience which is not compromised by the tech, just because theres better visuals on more powerful hardware it does not make the majority of the experiences on the Xbox one "bad".
Performance seems mostly fine on a smaller TV if you're used to 30 fps. I imagine the loading times are harder to go back to from current gen than the performance is.
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