@@jiggerypokery2962 Both suck now. With consoles you've been getting scammed for 2 gens now and with PC it's been the same since the 2000 series. Before PC was a no-brainer, and it still kind of is, but you have to be careful with what you're buying now, especially since a lot of HW just plain sucks now and it's not even the price/perf which is bad. AMD GPUs should be avoided at all cost now for example, as AMD drivers suck and you're often left with no AF if the game itself doesn't support it or the in-game AF settings are downgraded. There's tons and tons of games, from AAA to indie, which do not support AF for their GFX settings. And with AMD you're either limited to up to 8x via the control panel, or often nothing, as it can't force it at all. It's a coin flip if it'll work or not. And then nvidia is scamming everyone with DLSS/frame gen and next to no progress, while they keep adding more and more terribly built cores to their cards. Compare the core count for 10 series to 3000 and 4000 and then compare the actual performance, it's night and day. You're best off buying older Intel/AMD and then get a used GPU as well and just download all your games for free, that's the only sensible action at this point in time.
@@jiggerypokery2962 agree PC gaming been a dumpster fire since the pandemic prices are insane i'm not buying a midrange $300 GPU for $550/$600. I have a series X and not thinking about upgrading my 2060 until prices are back to normal.
@@gardenstateboss i'm not even sure what you're talking about,i've been looking at component prices for awhile now very few GPUs are above MSRP and can be found below that very easily,i literally did that on pcpartpicker 20 minutes ago
It's not like steam is any better, they made their family sharing have a region lock after Netflix did it but their social media team blames it on account sellers as if that puts even a dent in any sales and the timing is so covinent. Too many launchers and all of them including steam eat up too much vram
@@pravnav Steam does use GPU and VRAM when hardware acceleration is enabled in settings. If you turn it off it uses CPU and main system RAM instead. Same with programs like Discord. You can test this but changing the option and restarting the program in question, while looking at VRAM with task manager.
5:13 “Especially for Nintendo” What do you mean? Nintendo’s had a great lineage of backwards compatibility. GB -> GBA -> DS -> 3DS GC -> Wii -> Wii U The only reason the Switch isn’t backwards compatible is because it’s a completely different form factor from the Wii U and 3DS. It’s too small for a disk drive and lack dual screen functionality to play both system’s libraries.
@@ocelotmadness6287 I meant more that these systems can play the previous Gen natively without having to write it out repetitively like GBA can play GB, DS can play GBA, 3DS can play DS. Wii can play GC, Wii U can play Wii.
@@ethanplayzz1870 yes of course emulation’s always an option. The Wii U did have official DS Virtual Console but that’s not native backwards compatibility.
@@ocelotmadness6287it can actually, the 3DS have GB firmware and is capable of being a gameboy if you boot into that mode. That's how the ambassador program works. It boots into GBA firmware to run GBA games. But outside of the ambassador program you need a homebred 3DS though.
Yeah my PC was expensive but I don't pay for games. I don't pay for online fees. My library of games is near bottomless. It should play games well for at least a few more years before just needing a gpu upgrade. I can even play games from w*ntendo
But how? I’m pretty sure modern mainboards don’t even have SATA ports anymore as hard drives migrated to m.2 The last time I had a disc drive in my pc was around 2012
@@rethardotv5874 The ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E released back in august and still has sata ports, Also there's always external usb cd, dvd, blueray drives.
I’ll tell you simply. I buy consoles for simplicity. I buy a console, plug it in, download a game, and am playing. I don’t have to worry about any issues aside from gameplay issues. I know it’s not my settings, console or hardware, if something is borked, then it’s the game. I don’t want to troubleshoot why my game isn’t playing right. I don’t even want to learn. I have very limited time in my life, learning anything about a PC is not on my priority list. I just want to turn on the power and have confidence that it will work. And I don’t have to worry about upgrading my console really. If the game is sold for it, it will work. I don’t have to keep upgrading parts every few years to keep up. I’ve had my PS5 4 years about. No issues. If I want to upgrade to the new PS5 pro I can, not a big deal. Not a necessity. So 500 bucks over 4 years, plus whatever else I choose to buy for it, not too bad. I dont think anyone really cares so much about the graphics anymore. As long as it’s a decent frame rate, it’s good. There’s a lot of beautiful games that came out this generation, and playing them on performance really didn’t rob the experience. I just want a console powerful enough to play a game at a good frame rate while looking nice.
@@Slawa_Saporogez this comment makes no sense. I know it’s optional. That’s why I want it to be simple. If my hobby was fishing, I don’t need to make by own poles or lures. I just buy one and put a line in the water. If I liked hunting, I don’t need to load my own ammo. What kind of dumb comment is this?
The fact that people are still parroting this asinine argument is crazy to me. This is literally the experience of playing PC now outside of building your own PC from scratch. Buy a steam deck, gaming laptop or prebuilt PC, plug it in, download whatever storefront you want and play your games. You don't even need to pay for the fucking games. Anyone who actually thinks like this is truly not gonna make it
Yeah these people are dumb. I wanted an Xbox because the console looks cooler than PS5 but i had to go for PS5 because of the few exclusives. Just because a game is not exclusive do not mean it does not exist
@@residentevil2928Yet Xbox is always critiqued for putting its games on other systems and now pc people are saying abandon PlayStation because those games go to pc.
"online connectivity subscription" 😂 this shouldn't even exist in the first place. It's like tax but the worst kind that you paid to feudal lords or local mafia goons.
I already pay an online connectivity subscription to my ISP. That's the only one I should have to pay. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo shouldn't be charging me for that a second time. Online play should be free. Online games are monetized to hell and back and that's what actually pays for keeping the games running, so I have no idea what the big three are doing with the money they're forcing everyone to pay.
@@mjc0961 yeah or at least they shouldn't have a complete monopoly on running servers to access multiplayer features, I want to run multiplayer on my own servers for my own games with out anyone's permission to say or do whatever I want in them.
I feel like there's a bit of hypocrisy in praising Nintendo keeping their first party games exclusive, but also saying that Microsoft and Sony should not have their first party games be exclusive.
The whole point of exclusives is a reason to buy the console in the first place is in a position where they don’t need to be pimping out their games to PC like Microsoft and Sony because Nintendo sells games like gangbusters particularly Mario and Zelda
@@TehPiemaygor Yeah I don't agree with him there, exclusive games are a big selling point for consoles. He's right about consoles needing more than just exclusives to be worth buying over a PC though.
The difference between them is Nintendo makes their exclusives in-house. It's their own developers and studios. Sony and Microsoft just buy/pay other developers the not release their games on other consoles
The other reason is Nintendo manage their finances better thereby releasing more games. But with Sony + Microsoft the games are costing way more so they feel more compelled to sell their games multiplatform
What if I told you that people can see the benefit of both. Its not that black and white. Nintendo keeping their games exclusive is a good thing as they have more games on their platform and it keeps people in their ecosystem. Playstation and X-Box are better off putting their games on the PC because they don't have that many games this generation and putting their games on PC widens the audience and they get more sales because of it. If Microsoft and Sony had more games this generation then perhaps they would still be better off keeping their IPs exclusive to their hardware. Its all situational, and its not hypocritical to think Nintendo and its competition are better off doing things the opposite way.
Yes. And having an expensive pro is not a problem. People will buy the base console and play the same game at a lower resolution without even understanding what it mean.
It’s like you didn’t watch the video. The point of the video is that it isn’t actually convenient anymore, and normies want what’s convenient. Just because the “point” of a console is one thing doesn’t mean it is achieving that thing, nor are people viewing it as achieving that thing anymore.
Discs were convient, yet out of their hundreds of billions in wealth microsoft is too greedy to spend 50 million producing all physical discs for their library. Consumers hate consoles these days because if we are going digital might as well just buy a gaming PC with steam.
Same. I don't even know what they're gonna do for PS6. I can't spend more time playing PS5 games on my PS6 than PS6 games because there's no PS5 games to play. Maybe Sony expects me to play my PS4 games yet again? Hope PS6 still has a disc drive if that's the case. (just kidding, I don't care, I'm not buying a PS6)
They already had upgrades. Ghosts of tsushima runs at 4k60 on PS5. And it's the PS4 version of the game i am talking about. Every PS4 pro enhanced games run better on PS5 because the PS4 pro struggled to run at 4k.
Some games got upgraded it’ll be a lot more stable especially the unlock frame modes on god of war or spiderman I’m curious to see if you’ll be pushing 80fps with a unlocked frame rate
Same, with the constant rise of prices in PSN online, lack of quality games and censorship, PS4 was the last home console for me. At least with steam, online is free and there's always sales.
@@Nazzychan I'm happy chilling on Batocera most nights lol, I do have a beefy gaming PC but I usually use it for making vids more than gaming. So damn many good old games to catch up on to worry about new games
Funny enough I grew up on PC gaming, such as it was. My mom had a PC when I was a kid and my first games were on there. Despite this I still loved Console games growing up, even if I bought most of them a generation behind and used. The simplistic plug and play was just nice, and as I said the cheap price of used games helped. Something you rarely saw in PC gaming, people just didn't resell their old PC games much even when they were on disc. But consoles have gone a long way from what made them great. Ease of use is down as you wait for Gigs of updates to download, you are generally forced to pay a monthly subscription fee to play any kind of online game and nearly all games are online for one reason or another now. Many games even with a disc are unplayable without a downloaded patch, some times nothing more than an empty disc is really on there and you download almost the entire game. With games being tied to a online account, even if you have a physical disc combined with digital downloads the used game market is all but dead as well, losing that benefit of cheaper games as well. Simply put there isn't a lot of reason to buy a console any more other than exclusive games, and I think the PS5 has like what 30 of them right now? After about 4 years that is pretty sad.
@@100organicfreshmemes5 True most the list I have seen are just Sony exclusives, they don't filter out games also on PS4. And of those handful I think like 3 of them are anything I'd consider great.
Yes it's very expensive, yes there isn't much improvement and online is expensive. But people with lots of money, people who test things, people who mod, etc. will always buy new things. A more interesting question is will they move to making computers? The PS5 is about as powerful as a PC, the Switch 2 conttoller can function like a mouse, and the Steam Deck is basically a smaller computer when you get the dock. At some point people need to realize that 2D games and lower cost games are extremely valuable, the "best" graphics and lifelike and whatever really shouldn't matter much.
That's awesome dude, if you ever decide to get into PC gaming you can always buy one part at a time and then have a full fledged gaming PC on the cheap and eBay also helps out a lot
You can always go budget and have cheaper pc than any console or pc. I bought mine for 200$ and it runs almost all new games ❤ You can go even cheaper if you know how.
i've been a lifelong PC gamer, and while i've never liked consoles i did understand why they were still around - at minimum, some people just don't wanna bother with all the troubleshooting associated with PC gaming (and i can fully believe that, cuz it can be a massive pain in the ass lol). but i do think you raise some good points. Consoles are kinda dying just because nobody's making games for them, and they apparently can't just copy/paste nintendo's strategy of making multiple smaller games for like a third of the price or whatever. i just want them to release all the PS3 games on PC, man. Gotta have all the Ratchet & Clank games on Steam lol.
@b4rs629 You can still do that on PC. Especially if you want to role play as Jack Sparrow. But do you really own them? Didn't Sony just cut a good portion of their library with no warning and deleted the media from people's libraries? At least role-playing as black beard you literally can keep the files.
If they don't release games on consoles, they don't release games on PC either. There are no PC exclusives that are mass market apeal. This argument is completely invalid.
Interestingly Microsoft does the same with the XBOX Game Pass what Nintendo does with consoles and their games. Sony is stuck with the idea of Sony console = very exclusive luxury for a player when a player doesn't care about it. This logic of Sony isn't relevant in the current gaming environment.
I kinda disagree? Im a pc gamer btw my whole life. Id wager consoles arent fading, probably selling more then previous generations by sheer statistics(world population grows, gaming keeps growing for all age ranges). Maybe they arent selling proportionally as before, and the total number is more fragmented (so we dont have such a huge winner like the PS2). Yes theyre costing more for less- but that can be said for gaming as a whole. AAA is pushing for higher prices, even on pc they do that with dlc/season pass- yet they release worse... I think theres some optics going there. Theyre not the behemoths they once were. I bet some sales are lost to pc but frankly theyre loosing more to price and MOBILE not pc. Theres a big thing about optics on almost all subjects but even more so on industry and entertainment- most of the impression comes from public opnion(not reality) and the business talk. 'Oh ubisoft stock took a dive, outlaws under performed'- yup yet it had profit, it only sold less then expected. Much of the crysis people talk about are only about stock and projected sales etc etc, all big publishers are selling more then ever and would be profiting more (that can vary if theyre spending too much more, but that would be mismanegement) And the appeal of consoles goes way beyond kids and the tech iliterate. Ive been a pc gamer my whole life and invested on a mid pc that is dating well, but werent for my low income (low wages in my country) id definetly buy into consoles. Theres nothing quite just firing up a game quicklyy on the living room, i always loved couch gaming, even when i have gamer friends over we dont go play on the pc... heck even by myself id rather throw myself in the sofa when getting home and firing up a game, depending on the genre... and on top of all it will just work. I will never leave pc gaming tough... im highly tech savvy, built my machine, modded some, overclocking... but frankly i hate some of the headaches i have. Every title once again i have to setup first. Sometime some bug or weird underperformance or stutters and there i go troubleshoot. Older titles wich i love very frequently i have to go search some workaround, patch, etc etc Pc CAN be the ultimate gaming platform, and i will always vouch for it(its a tool, work, study etc) but it will never have some of the advantages of console and it probably will never be 'built for' gaming wich brings a whole bunch of caveats. Also pc gaming still feels like hardcore hobbyst thing- like nothing beats playing a arcade games library on a custom built arcade cabinet, all titles with the perfect emulator+rom+settings. But the work to reach that and mantain that? Thats pc in a nutshell. We came a long way of making most things easier, pc gaming grows but frankly it will probably remain niche by comparison. Its a HUGE niche, but its like i said earlier about huge population. We can safely shoot that the peak of pc gaming in the entire human history, whenever year that will be, it would still be like a tenth tops the total of potential gaming market. NORMIES far far outnumber us... And heck projections about the 'death' of pc era peak still go around, and i dont mean gaming, i mean as a whole. Desktop pcs are becoming increasingly niche because of laptops; But even those are steadily loosing ground to mobile, not even tablets. The better smartphones get... 1 tablet 1 keyboard/mouse and most people can work, study, even do some heavier work once unimaginable outside of pc (ive seen digital artists, video editors, 3d modelers even working on tablets). That is sadly where the highest potential market is, and current even. Parents arent buying consoles because of pc, but because they kids are already playing on phones.
My daughter wanted to buy me something new for gaming this year for Christmas, whether it be a PS5, XBox, or whatever. I already have a Switch and love it. So I looked around, priced everything, researched the pros and cons of everything and here I sit with my new early present - a Steam Deck. I have to say, that after being a console gamer for years, the steam deck is fantastic. I don't think I want to go back to regular consoles. Regular PC gaming is too expensive for my fixed income, so the Steam Deck is perfect.... Loved this video. You did a great job 😊
@@lightdarksoul2097 Yeah and if you can afford it a like $700 PC to pair with that so you can play those PC games better quality and performance and have windows by your side:)
@@Zeegoku1007 The PS2 had far more games and better ones and it came out in a time where having a console and a DVD player for the price of a DVD player was an absolute steal
PC is more versatile than a console, you have access to the biggest catalog of games, online is free, you can use any controler you want, you can plug it to a TV and you can upgrade it. Indeed I don't see any reason to consider a console over a PC today... Well maybe one reason, the price. It was a time where 2000$ could buy you a high end PC that will stay relevant for many years. If you want the same today, you'll probably have to push your spending over 3000$, thanks to the rise of GPU prices. I can understand why some people are still seduced by the concept of console, they're expensive, but still way cheaper than any decent PC configuration. Even this PS5 Pro at 700$ mark which is expensive is basically the price of a fairly recent GPU
There's a few more points worth considering here: You don't have to have a top of the line PC. You can get a more mid-range or low end PC that costs less and still be at or better than PS5 and XSX. Plenty of parts lists floating around thanks to PS5 Pro for PCs around $700. PC does cost more up front, but if you can afford that higher upfront cost, you will save buckets of money long term. You don't have to pay to play online, so every year that's the cost of PS+ or Game Pass Whatever or NSO that stays in your wallet. Even having one console and paying to play online, if a console generation lasts for 8 years and the online subscription is $50 a year (I have no idea if that's accurate anymore thanks to all the messy tiers, so just treat this as an example), that's $400. Games are often cheaper too. Steam sales are plentiful, and there's key sites (legit ones, not scam crap like G2A) competing too. If you want to preorder, you can even get unreleased games for around $10 off from key sites. Oh, and there's actual free games all the time on PC. Epic Games Store does them weekly, GOG often has freebies too, and sometimes even Steam has some. And yes, actually free - you pay nothing and get a game added to your account to keep. Not that BS massive sarcastic airquotes """free""" where you pay one of the console makers a yearly fee and get to rent games that they promptly take away if you ever stop paying.
Yall slow a console is all about convenience and I'm sorry console destroys pc in that department no matter how expensive a console gets. Another thing consoles will also get more powerful and still b a fraction of what u would have to pay to play on pc and that's if u get parts that work correctly. Than u have to wait for the sony games they don't come day and date and I'm sorry most of yall out here playing banana. your not playing the god of wars the spidermans the horizons the gears of wars the starfields. Yall not playing those games and it shows. Another thing most of you pc gamers are gaming at 1080 p so in reality the xbox and playstation are dogwalking those pcs it is what it is
I enjoy my PC games but they still don't hold a candle to the Switch. The convenience is unmatched and so are the exclusives. Yes, I play older Nintendo consoles on emulator, but the Switch emulator still has a ways to go. If you want the best gaming experience with Nintendo Switch games, you have to own a Switch. I'd also point out you generally don't get innovative products like Nintendo Labo, Ring Fit Adventure, or Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit on PC which is a real shame. The game industry desperately needs more innovation and creativity. I just don't see that happening on PC as outside of the extremely niche VR ecosystem everything is designed for either keyboard and mouse or X Box controllers. Yeah, you can use any controller you want but that doesn't mean anything is going to be designed to take advantage of unique features the way Wii and DS games were using their unique features. It doesn't even matter if you set up gyro aiming on a Switch controller. If the PC game doesn't support it the results are less than satisfactory in my experience so far. Believe me, I've tried.
Fair points with few caveats. There is access to the biggest catalog of games, yet I constantly see PC gamers' anger when yet another title is a stutterfest. You can use any controller you want, yet without any haptics and adaptive triggers of Dualsense. You can plug it to a TV, yet HDR is wonky. You can upgrade it, yet PC eats up whole lot more energy and whole lot more time fixing stuff. There is a very high chance that prebuilt PC will be crap, unless one gets technical and does loads of research to plan and build a decent one. Vast majority will never do that. Midrange or low end PC is at or better than PS5 level only on paper. In real life, you will get stutters and worse performance overall due to lots of hardware shenanigans and much tighter integration of everything. PS4 was relevant for 7 years, and no low end or midrange PC with GTX 760 could run anything like RDR2 or TLOU 2 the same way base PS4 did (760 performed 16-27-ish FPS with a lot of frame time inconsistency on 1080p lowest settings in RDR2, to be exact).
Sony and Microsoft are the flashy mansions, with lots of cutting edge features and extravagant designs, but are built on a weak foundations and will topple as soon as anything goes awry. Nintendo is the old brick building that will still be standing 200 years from now
Idk about that. For all of Nintendo's staying power, they're stagnant as heck and completely backwards in terms of the way they treat the player. They're bleeding, too. Slower that Sony and Microsoft, sure, but they're poor business practices have caught up to them.
The 6th and 7th gen were clearly the peak of consoles. The difference was that they took huge losses on future tech to really try to wow the customer. Nowadays, these things are closer to break even at launch.
The main reason I have a PS5 is to setup Street Fighter 6 at the local tournament and it runs the game pretty well compared to a $500 PC. The biggest thing at these local meetups is that everyone brings their own controllers and PCs have such a hard time dealing with hotplugging different kinds of controllers while the game is running. I can't tell you how many times we'd have to restart the game after a set was finished because the of controller issues on PC when I tried it once with my mini ITX rig.
I bought a PS5 in 2022 when the scalper craze died down, and I dont regret it because as a PS4 Pro Pro it works well. I also appreciate the ability to buy physical copies in modern day- even if they are glorified installer programs. I also built a decent PC in 2023. Theres a very good chance the PS5 will be the last console I ever buy. We'll see if Nintendos new console gives me enough FOMO to fold, but the PC being able to play almost anything I want completely made up for the price of entry in my case. And eventually, in time, almost all consoles get emulators.
and usually after the game is installed from the disc and then you boot up the game, the disc doesnt even spin in the disc drive at all meaning it's not being run off the disc itself (the PS5 disc drive is very loud when it's spinning so it's easy to notice) also when downloading the same game either physical or digital, the download size will be the exact same regardless of what you do which is a big giveaway the only modern console nowadays that still runs the game off the physical media you buy is strangely the nintendo switch
Damn bro your literally me lmao I also got my ps5 in 2022 and my PC in 2023, I’m def gonna be upgrading to the pro, I can comfortably afford it and plus even if it goes bad I can always refund it and go back to my og ps5
The price for entry isn't even as much of a factor because you aren't paying for a membership to use your own internet. Nintendo's is cheap but the service sucks, and anything above the lowest tier of Gamepass or PS+ will add up quickly. Not to mention you can get games for way cheaper on PC. You might not necessarily save money, but in the long term the cost evens out and PC has way more to offer.
Consoles are not pointless, they just aren’t as relative as they were before. PC gaming used to be a huge pain, now it’s evolved to make gaming on them much easier. Console exclusives were also much more a thing. Nowdays, every game comes out for all system. There is no reason to buy it on one specific console and even less of a reason if you own a PC because PC games usually always look and play better if you have the right hardware. And that is the biggest knock on PC’s, the price. For older gamers with money to spend, it’s not an issue. For kids and teens or those with a lower budget, consoles are better.
PC gaming isn't more expansive, infact, that's the complete opposite of reality. You can easily buy a decent PC for $200 or less as long as you're willing to buy used and make a few simple upgrades, and individual components can always be upgraded later on as well. The myth that PC gaming is "more expensive" seriously needs to die
I have no interest in power, so I will never be a PC gamer. Nothing against PC, but it's not a comfortable decision for me. Steam Deck might be the closest I'll get to PC gaming, if I get one.
@Rapunzel879 Not only that if comfort is the reason you don't wanna pc, you can always hook one up to an actual TV and play with a controller if you're used to consoles
@@TheDeathMetalOtakuone counterpoint to this would be if you play online shooters. It just won't be fun on PC with a controller if everyone else is twitch shooting you with 9000000000 DPI gaming mice.
@shepardcommander9960 Aren't you gonna have that problem anyway since a lot of mainstream online shooters are cross-platform? I don't personally use that setup myself. I just thought I'd recommend it to people who think you can't get comfortable on pc because you most certainly can.
@@shepardcommander9960actually that doesn't matter, most controllers can be hooked to pc & use Gyroscope aiming. Even Team Fortress 2 works with Switch pro & Ps5 Gyro controllers. Some of the best players use gyro😊
There are only 2 things, albeit BIG, issues still holding back gaming PCs. 1. *PRICE* - It's improving with "cheaper" midrange PCs, but game sales should help long term costs 2. *COMPLEXITY* - Consoles UI, controls and plug & play still can't be beat - Steam Deck is helping to remedy this as well as 3rd party front ends like Playnite, lunchbox and OSs like Bazzite etc..
The thing with price is people expect 60fps on PC while console games run at 30. This massively jack up the price on PC. The more realistic route of targeting games at 30fps, medium graphics and not optimal resolution would put you way closer to the price of a console. I did a PCPARTPICKER to find out how much a PS5 pro equivalent would cost. It was 900$ and i cheaped out on the maximum amount of parts i could (consoles do it too, they are built cheap). A common mistake is also upgradability. People go for 600w PSU, but the console only have a PSU for what it need. 200w for the PS4 for example.
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price has always been better on pc LONG term thats what most ppl dont understand
Basic economics. Gaming on PC is an order of magnitude cheaper, but you weren't able to look past the initial price point being higher, and that's where you stopped. PC gaming is not complex. They have to sell games to the bottom of the barrel dredge of society, because your false image of what PC gaming is simply doesn't exist. It is not niche, and it is not hardcore, and the people who play games on PC are not more tech savvy. Gamers are idiots by default and they can definitely use a PC. Console players generally don't engage in weird-ass console wars mentality, but the ones who do are the dumbest people alive on planet earth, so yea, I expect that encountering a problem that requires a google search is a barrier to entry for them, and I also expect them to do something incredibly, mind numbingly stupid to break their hardware or software. This is why consoles may have merit.
Controls were never an issue, especially since any Xbox controller literally works natively with windows as long as you have bluetooth enabled. Just press the Xbox button and you're ready to game.
I got my PS4 four years into that generation, and I bought it for $250. We are now four years into the PS5 generation, and it is still $500. Getting into PC gaming would have an even higher initial investment, which I just can't afford. So, I'll just stick with my PS4, thank you.
Same, I got my Pro in 2017 for €295 when the games were finally showing up. I already had a few on my sights but that year was the one that convinced me. Now I have like 200 games on it and they're still releasing games for PS4 + Classics and the best part is that the cross gen games pretty much look the same to the naked eye. Honestly, if the PS2 didn't exist, the PS4 would be my fav console - it turned out to be much better than I expected. The PS5 on the other hand... I will most likely never get it. I have only seen like 4 or 5 games that interest me when the console only has 3 more years left. Not worth the money, not even close.
To be honest, if you buy used, your dollar would go a lot further. You can buy a decent used core I7 business computer for around 120-150 usd with 1 terabyte of storage and 12 gigs of ram. And you could get a Geforce RTX 4060 for about $250 used on ebay which can run any game you throw at it. Still much less money than a PS5 for a far better experience.
I'm really glad I got a PS4 relatively cheap too. It's got some pretty good exclusives, and a decent variety of other titles too. I therefore had no reason to get a PS5 because most of it is just remakes and reboots of older games.
mfs really keep moaning that pc is high initial investment failing to realize that the investment lasts longer, and they only need to save up a little more for decent 1080p gaming
Back in the mid 2000s, Nintendo's CEO at the time, Iwata, said in an interview that the reason they chose to stay behind both Sony and Microsoft in terms of power is because they knew that if the of the time gaming trends (that being making high fidelity, cinematic experiences) because the norm, then budgets for those games would eventually balloon uncontrollably. And seeing that Nintendo seems to be the only one of the three actually having a profitable generation, I'd argue he was right. Well, that and Nintendo also know how to budget their games accordingly and aren't afraid of releasing smaller games to fill in gaps.
@@Pepe-dq2ib steam decks can play Nintendo exclusives along with having a way larger library in general, it's more powerful, modding games etc. Also talk to yourself from this point on because idk why you are even trying to make this some competition when I simply said I bought a steam deck.
I still play console. I work and in my 30s. I have this really nice recliner and a wonderful big screen tv. Can’t play PC on it but my Xbox is wonderful with it. Why waste thousands on a PC to crick my neck when I can be in the lap of luxury after working all day playing a game I enjoy.
Because you can literally do the same on PC. PC will allow you to use any controller too, so you can truly customize your comfort on top of better graphics and performance.
Everything you said is untrue. Consoles are easy to use entry level gaming PC. The ONLY advantage modern consoles have is the ability to resume the game after you put the console to sleep. Or turn it on with the wireless controller. It's convenience. But you could do everything else with a PC. Also, a "big screen" do not mean anything. What matter is the pixel per inch to make it sharp. And then, you need the hardware to drive all those pixels to make the games sharp. This is where the PS5 pro enters the chat. It will be better to make the games run sharp and smooth at the same time but the graphics itself will not change.
I'm 40 and PC does everything a console does but better and faster. Consoles are becoming more PC like with regards to updates patches and installations but just a heck of a lot worse and slower in comparison.
People are seriously underestimating how good controller on pc has been with the widespread niche of motion controls. Accuracy of a mouse with motion controls, can use flickstick setup to be able to instantly turn using your thumb sticks Solarlight did a good video on it labeled “why controllers in tf2 don’t suck” but this applies to almost every video game on steam not just tf2
I get the idea here, but the flip side is true. Plenty of more casual players aren't going to bother with pc for the same reason they won't bother with the ps5 pro. If they can play the game they don't care, and a console is still the cheap and easy way to do this. Then there's the weird stuff. I will probably never go away from pc gaming, but every so often I get a weird bug, such as helldivers 2 not working for me at the moment, which does remind me there are still issues.
Considering the price of the PS5 Pro and probably where they are going to start the PS6 is that even true? Is a console a cheap and easy way to play games? I'm not so sure anymore.
You won't believe how many NPCs still don't know you can just plug a controller into the PC. You usually can't use a controller for simulations or some MMOs but lets be honest most console gamers would've bought a PC already if they were actually interested in simulations and MMOs.
1. PC parts are more expensive than they’ve ever been. 2. Nvidia essentially has a monopoly. AMD has intel beat, but they have fallen off and have only made strides in efficiency. 3. Game quality is dubious on PC just as is the case for consoles. 4. Steam can charge whatever they want. 5. Value sells consoles, not exclusives. 6. People are smart enough to know which consoles are which especially because of all the marketing (these are still gamers after all).
Also, consoles aren't profitable. Games are. The purpose of consoles is to provide a cheaper platform for more people to join in on, so they can sell more of the profitable games at decent graphical fidelity. Most people can't afford the $1500 plus that you need to pay for a comparable PC experience.
Also, it's possible to make an argument for PC without being condescending. Saying that these people are tech illiterate or only play sports games and COD does not help your case for PC gaming. I am a PC gamer turned console gamer. A CS major. I am probably in the top 5% in terms of hardware knowledge, but I choose console because it's a nice experience. Console makes you feel like it is about you. When developers make games, they start with console, and you can feel that. Optimization and ease of use make it a no brainer for me. I don't want to be troubleshooting every single game I play. I want to sit down, relax, and play. I realized that I was spending more time troubleshooting than gaming and that put me over the edge.
@@schmolson6111 is straight up wrong. Pc parts were a lot more expensive in 2020. 2 just because nvidia has a monopoly, that doesnt mean you cant get good AMD cards. 3 games will use 100℅ of your gpu if you're on PC, while many games will be locked at 30fps on console. 4 steam is more pro-customer and gives you more options than the PS Store and the MS Store. 5 is correct 6 is correct Other points: >PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming in the long run. You can sell steam inventory itens for money, you dont have to pay to play online and steam has overall cheaper options. >Consoles DONT make you feel like its about you. They make you feel like its about the corporations. You have no freedom to configure the games the way you see fit, you have no freedom to remove the invasive ads on the dashboard. If games are made for console first, I dont understand why kingdom come deliverance hasnt received a next gen patch yet, or why the sequel will be locked at 30 fps on consoles. >Using your head to rarely troubleshoot is worth it considering most games wont be locked at 30fps.
@@riverblack123 Thank you. These are better arguments than those made in the video. As a question: How much do you think a comparable experience would cost for a PC user? How much would you spend on hardware and peripherals to get a decent 4K HDR experience? Additionally, how long would you use that hardware before upgrading? It seems to me that the upgrade cycle for PC is half the console upgrade cycle.
@@schmolson611 A good feature PC has over console is that the experience is customizable. For example, if you dont care about 4k and 1080p is enough for you, you get a low tier or mid tier PC and vice versa. The thing about console is that most games run on backwards compatibility mode, which means most games are not fully utilizing the console's capability. So even if you get a PC with less power than say a PS5, you will likely be playing the same games at 60fps while PS5 would deliver 30 fps. Today, a PC with equal performance to an Xbox Series X would cost around $700 dollars, but lets remember the fact that all games will fully utilize your hardware capability and you have a bigger library of games. Its cheaper and more benefitial in the long run. I'd say upgrade your GPU every 7 years. Its often cheaper than buying a pro console mid gen.
The console wars are pretty much over: Microsoft all but conceded to Sony and wants to focus more on their streaming services. The direct result of this is there is no competition, Sony can charge whatever they want. Hardware manufacturers were used to taking a loss figuring they would get it back in game sales but Sony is coming in at a net profit. As you mentioned the slim model did not go down in price it actually went up which is not normal halfway through a systems lifespan.
@@russellmania5349 some would make the argument that the switch is not technically a console but a portable that also happens to be a console. Either way, including them in the mix it’s hard to deny they “won” this generation
I switched from PC to console this generation because I’m sick of the inconsistent optimization and constant spec-chasing. I’m really enjoying the PS5.
Ditto.. I even have a pretty solid PC but I am tired of looking up fixes and tinkering to get an acceptable experience. Sure, the visuals can be better on PC, not enough to deal with the extra effort.
I have q switch and if i could i would buy two more cause i love it so more. Just Bayonetta 2 and astral chain are better exclusives than anything ps made
I agree. The switch was and still is a phenomenal console that had tons of AAA and indie games that are just fun to play. Definitely getting Bayonetta 4 when that comes out for switch 2.
I only play first party nintendo games on switch because they tailor the graphics to be able to run at 60fps and look sharp on the console. Everything else is a blurry mess at 30fps.
@@PyromancerRift it depends on game. some older titles run as good as first party nintendo stuff. stardew valley, darkest dungeon, dragon quest builders 1 & 2.
People always factor in online subs even if a lot of people don't actually have that and mostly just play f2p or single player games. The amount of money I saved from just buying console and second hand games is immense and a pc will never let me get that.
It's all about resolution, frame rates and graphics. What happened to gameplay and unique art direction? Most games(with some exceptions) running on unreal engine 5 looked the same. This is getting boring asf
New Graphics sucks. They are expensive, neglect gameplay and are shallow as fuck. If you look closely many 2010 s had better art design and graphics than nowadays.
Good video. Personally I am pc player but I was beyond tired of people saying that console players are stupid because they get ripped off more. I have friends that prefer console due to not wanting to mess around with a pc or just don’t like to sit at a pc when there 9-5 is messing around on windows all day. You’re the first person that actually considers the other side of the coin nice work.
I know people will say "hurr durrr consoles are getting too expensive" but then forget to mention that modern PC graphics cards are like $2000. I'm a PC gamer but I mostly play older games. I just can't afford this shit.
I'll be straight-up: I've been out of the console gaming (and AAA gaming) demographic for about a decade just from being too broke. it's not for people like me anymore. I cannot afford to drop $70 every time I want to try a new title. in fact, the thought of having to do so makes me so angry now that I refuse on principle even if I really want to play something. those prices are absolutely insanely inflated compared to what I get paid. nope. not possible anymore, even if I wanted to. I am not choosing between gaming and eating. this industry has never cared about us -- it's an industry, after all, not a community. In my recent memory AAA games were $30 to 40. the fact that they've doubled what people are willing to pay so quickly put a bad taste in my mouth so long ago. it's like the second microtransactions and open (empty) world filler became common we suddenly have to pay the difference for those two gross, unwanted things so they can make even more money. it's disgusting. people NEED to start getting mad. the real sad thing is, if backlash ever did bite into Sony or Microsoft's chunk of this market they would just focus their efforts elsewhere, like television. there's really no future where any of these companies walk back these greedy decisions, they'll just shift focus to keep making all the money.
When factoring in inflation new games are cheaper than ever before. The backlash of raising the prices of video games is why micro transactions took over the industry. Adjusted for inflation Zelda a link to the past, which retailed for $50 at release, would cost $101.78 in today’s money. It’s fine to say that you personally can’t afford or don’t find new games worth it, absolutely no shame in that, I can’t remember the last time I bought a new release. But it’s important to understand that game development is more expensive then ever and that every year prices don’t increase it means new games are actually getting cheaper.
I grew up with PC & consoles and always played on both. While PC could have the best version of every game - IF you have the hardware for it - the consoles offer still a much more plug&play based experience than any PC could ever do. I know a LOT of people who never played on PC, and just wanna have fun and don't want to cope with windows, drivers, updates, problem solving etc. Consoles will not die. Xbox will die at some point, because MS destroyed it in 2013 with "TV TV TV TV TV". Consoles will always be around, PC will always be around.
It’s interesting how every perk that consoles used to have listed here is what is making the Nintendo Switch such a juggernaut in sales. It is an easy to understand, easy to use console with a huge exclusive catalog, and because the Nintendo developers aren’t tied to long development cycles for the sake of pushing technical wonders, the customers are giving a constant flow of mostly quality titles and even recently niche games that wouldn’t even be considered in other platforms. No wonder why the gaming space is so expectant to the Nintendo Switch successor. Now, even though I understand how convenient PC gaming is and have gotten for myself a pretty capable laptop for it, I will never be a PC gaming evangelist because I’m too aware of its qualms. Having to deal with specifications and minimal requirements can be intimidating for many, emulation still can be a pain in the ass when you try to make a game properly run, and some people can be sold on the idea of sitting in front of a computer for leisure when they have spent their entire day working in front of it. Gaming consoles are still needed, but sadly besides Nintendo it seems that both Xbox or Sony have lost the north when it comes to offer a dedicated gaming device.
I apologize for this massive paragraph, but I really felt like my input may help someone somewhere. So, I have a Switch, PS5, and PC(a very not cheap one!) If I'm being absolutely honest. There are many games I just didn't want to deal with getting to run properly on PC, and I also really wanted to play the Final Fantasy games on launch. On top of that the used games you get for having a disc version of the PS5 can trump out steam sales any day. The PS4 backwards compatibility is also super nice, since you can get used PS4 games for incredibly cheap rn. I got a copy of God of War Ragnarok (PS5) for $20 2 weeks after it came out. And I recently got the entire Kingdom Hearts series, Scarlet Nexus, the entire Ninja Storm series, the Dark Souls Trilogy, and the Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Collection for about $150 at a Game Stop that was doing buy 2 get one free on all used PS4 games. That being said, I usually use my PC for games that I want to play online like the Monster Hunter Series, or games that I just want to play in the best possible way like Cyberpunk 2077. There are very much merits to both. What a lot of people need to note, is that if you really want to be cheap, pay the extra money for a disc drive, as used games are the same as new games and they are way cheaper than the digital and buying digital games in the long run. If you want to play games online, please! Go buy a PC! You're better off paying $500 on a pc the can run basic titles and online being free, and putting the $15 a month you would spend on online access back and saving for better pc components as they come out. Doing this I was able to get up for a high end GPU after 5 years of my old one. I had a 2060ti and I just upgraded to the 7900xt. I was gifted a 9800x3d from my fiance, but give it another 2 years of this and I probably could've gotten one anyways, since I still have a chunk left over from my GPU upgrade.
Tons of reasons to buy a console. If anything it’s PC gaming that’s becoming less and less appealing. Building a gaming PC that can outperform current gen consoles is getting more expensive than ever. Plus, getting the “ultimate experience” on PC hasn’t been the most consistent thing in the world. Performance problems, stuttering, frame time inconsistencies, compatibility issues, you name it. With a console you can be sure a game will just work and nowadays it more often than not runs just as good as it does on a high end pc, just with lower settings, which the vast majority of PC gamers use anyway. This narrative that consoles are becoming obsolete completely missed the point of consoles and why people buy them.
I play both pc and console and i switch whenever i get tired of one or the other. It helps to work your way around a situation instead of acting like you're stuck to deal with it if I make any sense
I think the PS5 was a great value in 2020 at $500. It should be $400 at most now for the disc version of the PS5 Amateur. Console gaming is about value and being plug and play. Graphics have been good enough for 10 years. I would be fine if they just focus on providing a polished 60 fps experience over ray tracing BS
The issue with the price is sony and crosoft chose to use cuting edge technology to make the processors and unfortunately that cuting edge stagnated and the price increased. This is why they could not sell it for less. The PS4 released using TSMC 28nm. The slim and pro upgraded to TSMC 16nm finfet. It almost doubled the performance per watt/mm². Meaning they could make a chip half the size of base PS4 with the same performance and half the power usage for cheaper on the PS4 slim. Sony started the PS5 on 6nm, they upgraded to 5nm and we are still on 5nm. The slim is not a slim as it use 5nm and require 200w just like the fat model. From that you can only use a bigger chip who require more watt and cooling for a pro. Driving the price up by a large amount. For everything else i am totally validating your point of view. But regarding 60fps, the consoles already have a 60fps mode. It just don't run at 4k and variable resolution is pure trash. Because to have a sharp picture, you need to have a resolution that is in line with the native resolution of your screen. For example 4k is 4 times 1080p. 2 times wider and 2 times taller. Meaning each 1080p pixel can be arranged to take a 2by2 square of pixels on a 4k screen to look sharp. But an in between resolution will look blurry because colors will have to be smeared between real pixels.
@@PyromancerRift It wasn't even cutting edge when it released but that's the problem with consoles, they're stagnant pieces of hardware. It would be nice if console versions of games at least gave you the option to change settings so you can have 60 fps with the settings you personally think look the best and I have no idea why that still isn't a thing. But to me that's the core issue you either have to play in performance mode or quality mode there's no option to tweak anything so you're either not using the hardware to its fullest or you're forced to play with ray tracing turned on which is being done on AMD hardware from 2018 of all things 💀
I agree with much of the sentiment discussed here, but realistically, it all comes down to the vast majority of gamers being normies (ironic, given that historically it was associated with a nerd’s pastime) who want to do as little thinking as possible to play the latest COD or FIFA release. The fact that over half of the gamer base (60%) are mobile gamers should be enough to prove that most gamers are hardcore users who need state of the art technology or even inexpensive titles since mobile games cost users more in the long-run, not to mention the annual releases + battle passes of anything Activision and EA which are by far the most popular titles around. Even in the current state of console gaming being stagnant, it not only offers the easiest plug-and-play method with minimal UI navigation to boot a game, but the experience itself is optimized too. Because consoles are uniform with minimal variations between them, devs have mastered down to a science the fine-tuning of titles on console for the best experience possible, whether it be in Performance Mode or Quality Mode. PC, on the other hand, has seemingly unlimited variations with all its different builds which devs have to account for by using the most common base level hardware (like 8GB RAM, Nvidia 10series graphics cards, etc) which can in turn make performance worse that the user themselves has to tweak in the graphics settings to run properly-and even then the game may still run like absolute cow manure due to poor optimization which is unfortunately common with PC ports (I’m looking at you, Dead Space Remake). Even though I’m a PC gamer myself, I still own all three modern consoles because they each achieve something different for me. Game Pass for my Xbox (yes, I know it’s on PC too but the titles library is slimmed down) along with backwards compatibility of some of my favorite old games. PS5 is mostly to play with my group of friends who are all only on PS, for day one releases that I am too impatient to wait for ports of, for my entire PS4 library and for games I just want to own physically-yes, I’m that old. The Switch for, well, Nintendo (need I say more?). My PC is more for single-player experiences where I want to have the best graphics possible without sacrificing performance, to play games in early access, and for emulation. But if I were hard-pressed to stick to one if money were an issue, hand-down I’d go for the PS5, maybe the Series X if I had less dignity. All this to say, consoles are not going anywhere for the foreseeable future and are still a solid proposition for the normies (which are most gamers nowadays), no matter what Phil Spencer has to say about it.
For me the PS5 is the last console, I would rather give the gaming PC a big upgrade than spend 800 € (895 $ us) on a mid-generation console. The PS5 was conveniently compact for the living room, but costs/benefits are lost with the current pricing.
yeah one thing that doesn't come up in the PS5 Pro conversations too often is that for a very large chunk of the PS5's market, it's comparable in cost to a PC with better specs.
The one big argument that i have for completly switching to pc gaming is the physicality of it all. I never have b4 and i dont ever think i will ever feel ownership over buying a digital copy of a game rather then a physical one. There is something very charming in being able to say i will own this game forever when u can hold it in your hands.
There really isn't a reason aside from sunk cost fallacies and blind brand loyatly. A "console' is literally just a budget PC that comes with a controller. There's zero reason to own one anymore. This makes me sad since I've been a console gamer most of my life (my dad had a Colecovision and an NES when I was a gradeschooler and I literally grew up with a controller in my hands) but these days, if it's not on PC (or coming to PC soon-ish), I'm simply not interested. It's a real shame.
My only reason to continue using the PS5 is because I've already paid money for the PSVR2 and want to get good use out of it, when PC VR headsets lose their relevancy and support all too quickly.
@@Cyberbrickmaster1986 PSVR is PC compatible bro so it still has quite a bit of life in it lol older VR titles will probably always support it and hopefully newer releases will keep supporting it
ive been mostly a console gamer my whole life and finally decided to get a pc. i love being able to play older games at the highest settings or even using mods to tailor the experience to my liking. with consoles your stuck with however the developer left it. battlefield 5 got an xbox one x update which was good in 2018 but the series x should be able to run the game at higher settings but since the developers never updated it, it's stuck running the same version, leaving a lot of unused power. with my pc i can run that game at ultra settings, 1440p at around 140-180 fps.
For the same reasoning that I am going physical, you always own your games and I don’t know how people always get things misconstrued, but you can easily play most of the new games if not a lot without online connection if it’s not multiplayers based of course. With the plan I’m halfway through right now I’m getting Series X and have P5/XSS already, and all the games I like have physical copies that I already have in carts across different websites so I’ll have ownership of my own purchases regardless if PlayStation or Microsoft shuts down (or select games just because they can) in 4 years or so while avoiding this terrible yet inevitable nightmare of a future with straight everything digital and everyone is paying full price for licenses😐
With those physicals, it depends... some of them don't include the full game on the disc and instead act as a small key to download the game. Borderlands 3 recently did this to me on Xbox, and I was BEYOND disgusted about it. Games like System Shock remake have been really generous about what they gave us on the disc... they even waited until v1.2 came out, so all the patches and better SHODAN fight would be on the disc. You just gotta do a lot of research
@@aiodensghost8645 even with very little research done you can just take a look at knowing that you’re locked into whatever market place comes within that box. What I’m really trying to say is take any game that you want and then take it on physical and in price you will usually always have the physical going for 60% of what the digital after small amount of time and considering digital stays at full price because the company knows they can get away with it, at that point the ownership is just what we all need a bonus big flick of the bird back at the companies that charge $69.99 for 2k22 in the year 2024
@@aiodensghost8645Better than to have your media provider go out of business and you loose all your games. Games are only mainstream rn give it sometime and people leave and your provider with go out of business but if you have the physical your golden Sega stoped making consoles years ago but you can still play their games
Sony is kinda showing hints that they don't want you to even buy physical games anymore with the new PS5 Pro coming out. It has no disk drive, so just imagine how the PS6 will be, they'll probably force you to buy every PS6 game digitally.
Thanks for putting this together. Funny you posted this, because not even a week ago I came to the same conclusion. I've been mostly a console guy but over the summer I've spent more time on my older (1060 lol) computer and realizing that I want to go full pc and leave consoles behind. ESPECIALLY considering how wonderful an experience my steam deck has been.
Consumers are flocking to PC because we realize if its digital anyways, might as well go with steam. Consoles especially xbox microsoft killed any future they had by canning discs. The switch does so well because you can collect the games and they are exclusives. Consoles are worse than PC now. All microsoft has to do is spend 50 million to make every single disc physical, but they wont do that because they are greedy.
I've given up on having hype for consoles since moving over to PC in 2020 (my spec is laughable for how much I realised I paid) I've never known freedom like it, I can get great deals on different stores, I can relive some of my favourite games from childhood/Teens via emulation and the fact I have a full blown PC too!
Console is still a way better value for your money than PC when it comes to gaming (And I mean only for gaming, that's the whole point of this argument). Build me a PC for $500 that would perform as well as a PS5 or Xbox Series X for a seven year period... you cant. Sure, PS5 Pro is not a very good deal since they didn't showcase any dedicated games that would utilize the hardware but saying PC is the definite better way to play video games just because a mid-gen refresh is "overpriced" is simply untrue.
no shit it cant because console ports are on a fundamental different level that run at 30 fps and shit ton of low and specific settings so it can actually run lol. also straight bs in general because a modest 1080p build will run 5+ years
@@mjesus850 brother the PS five run most games on 60 FPS with performance mode even the PS 5 creator was surprised by the fact that so we gained 60fps on so many games only a few actual exceptions like dragons dogma 2 only runs 30 even then that game is unoptimized especially on PC
I am really glad that I came across this video. I have been is this madding debate with myself about should I keep my pc and go back to my consoles or put the consoles back in their boxes and just enjoy my pc. I am tired of always having to google up solutions to problems on getting older games to work but ultimately I think I'll stay with my PC I like to know I can have games run at 60 frames and still look good.
PC's are for people who really know their stuff they're proper hobbyist grade. Consoles are more for the average Joe who just wants to plug a plastic box into a socket and it works and there are games made for that specific box that will work on it. They don't have to worry about what kind of graphics card they have or whatever. Though these mid-gen revision consoles are intended for the hardcore hobbyist who know all about PC gaming.
The problem is the box isn't as good as it used to be. Sure the box has better graphics now, but it lacks ease of use, discs are just for show, there's pop-ups all over the home menu trying to sell you something, useless features like raytracing; none of this was a problem as late as the PS3. Now you're just buying a crappy PC for the same price as a PC
@@kakizakichannel The old Steam Machines were a good bridge between PC and game consoles as you can set them up to boot into Big Picture mode automatically and just use it for gaming with a controller. You still have to set it up but the same applies to a modern game console they're not like a PS2 where you just put the disc in and turn it on. Consoles still have the slight advantage that if you buy a game for a certain console it will work optimally for the hardware it was made for. Though now you have games being cross released across different console generations and they'll run at varying performance levels depending on your hardware, so it's getting closer to a PC than a PS2.
As a series x owner my answer is P.C gaming is just more expensive. Even with paying for online. Which i dont pay for. Maybe ill buy it for gta 6 or something like that. But for the most part. A really capable gaming P.C is way more. I looked online recently and was shocked how much more. I live in canada and my series x was $600 when i bought it in cad$ and a P.C is like $1200-1600 and the online for xbox a year is like $70. If you want a really high end P.C it would be like $3-$6k which is like a used car. A ps5 pro is like $960 and a series s is $380 which you can get a used one for even cheaper then that. Edit: free to play games dont require to pay foe online. So you cpuld just straite up buy a series x and never buy a game if you want and play free to play games.
I think the problem is that you're looking at PC the same way you look at a console. The point of the PC is build something that caters to our needs. You don't care about 4K? You can get a GPU with less vram and save costs. You want an emulation machine? You just need a high end CPU. You want a system for competitive games like Valorant? You just need a 144Hz monitor and a somewhat decent GPU. People seem to make the argument that for PC to be better than console, you need higher specs than the console which is a baseless argument. My PC can't do 4K but it runs everything from my Steam library and is an emulation beast which is exactly what I want it to do. It costed me 800 bucks last year. In the end, you also end up saving money on the games since they cost far less on Steam than on console. Though, I guess if you want near max settings on the latest AAA games, it might still be cheaper to achieve this on console. Again, it depends entirely on what you want to do.
PC gaming is not more expensive, the cost of entry is but you save far more in the long run, and what you're talking about is building the most overkill high end PC possible which is not necessary whatsoever
@@cthubol6824 Consoles are more expensive dingus, all of your games are more expensive by far and you have to pay for online and on top of all of that your library is piss poor and tiny it's like a grain of sand versus a beach in comparison to the PC's gaming library
@Manic_Panic I play fornite ranked with graphics mode on lol Not even the biggest streamers play fortnite with higher graphics. I'd definitely need a $13k P.C. or I can play fortnite in graphics mode on a $600 console with lower frames.
You certainly made very good points in the video. I'm almost 40 in a few years and I'm just not as much of a gamer as I use to be. I have the PS5 slim with disc, I have a Xbox Series X, and a Switch. But I'm just not that big of a gamer anymore. For a long while I was dead set on buying the PS5 Pro. Then I started to think maybe I should go PC, it should be cheaper down the line and that's certainly what you prove of in this video. However as I'm not that much of a gamer anymore and I play my systems only about an hour a day now, I just think it would be better to give up video games all together for me as it's just not as entertaining to me as it use to be when I was a kid. Sure, some games are fun, but I usually go back to the same games and don't play new games that much at all or even buy any of the new games in the past year of 2024 at all. So I was thinking about buying a gaming PC as said, and thought back oh but what about PS5 Pro? But overall I gotta think about other things anyway because gaming just isn't that big of a thing for me anymore anyway. So I'm thinking more about movies and life and just getting to know more people.
Been asking the same question since the xbox one,ps4 and switch generation. Consoles slowly became inferior overhyped pcs for people who dont know better but refuse to even try to know better as if it was rocket science,it isnt,theres always a person or more in everyones circle of friends willingly and most of times excited to teach anyone how to build a pc or at the very least help making the choices to buy one according to the desired expectations,take it from me,a middle class worker who grew up with the nes and realized where everything was heading,my pc didnt cost me a fortune and its pretty standar (some tryhards could argue is below average) and my only regret is not being able to get one sooner,but its been 3 amazing years never feeling like im missing out anything for not having a console. Pc is a better investment in the long rung in all aspects,its worth every single penny,better deals in games,better accesibility,better options,it dosnt become completely obsolete after 5 years,has access to mods and if you are on a budget you can even play the games for free matey.
tbh the idea that pc gaming is more expensive than console is a myth. Ive had the same $700 pc since 2015. which i got for work. and it's totally OK for like... 90 percent of games. the fact that i could play games on something I already owned was the main reason i even got back into the hobby to begin with. even if you have a 200 dollar crusty laptop . you can still find very great fun games to play. esp indie titles. or emulate old ones. compare that to the switch. which is the cheapest console. and only has one game I want to play thats exclusive. (botw) it is stonkingly bad value.
Exactly, that's the value preposition argument which most console preferring people miss or rather misrepresent. If one prefers console then that's fine but they should learn to acknowledge the argument one is making.
I'll put my PC Specs here as a reference to my comment: CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (using the stock cooler) MoBo - Asus Tuf Gaming a520m-plus Micro ATX board RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB 3200mhz CL16 16gb (2×8gb) Storage- TEAMGROUP 512GB M.2 NVME Graphics Card - AMD Radeon RX6600 Power Supply - Thermaltake Smart 600W Case - Antec NX200M Micro ATX Case The total of my PC all together is around $500-$550, not including tax. Is it the best PC there is on the market, no not even the slightest, BUT it does what I need it to do, it plays games that I like and it doesn't make me use a monthly subscription to play online.
There’s no doubt PC is better. But no one needs the best. Sometimes it’s just what fulfils you. You can cry in an expensive cinema, and you can cry watching on a small iPhone. I’m a lifelong PC gamer. Upgrade every year, ran guilds, modded and more. But Im older now. I don’t want to sit on a desk anymore after work. I rather kick back play my story games on my soft sofa with a cold drink. It’s also more social with family. Instead of having the kids each on a PC. To me the perfect experience world be a console with PC ecosystem. Like SteamOS. Minimum 60 fps. Ideally 120 fps. The components to make a TV console at the moment is not cost effective. Not as sleek as a console either.
I also think that another problem was always overlooked. It could be general space in houses/rooms cuz PC can take some spaces and what if it doesn't fit? You'll have to think of what you can approach it with and I doubt it can be there without compromising other spaces if the area is small or just not favorable. I'd say the Steam Deck is a good alternative if space is an issue.
It's just as simple with a PC. You do realize a console is a computer right? It ain't hard and has even more options to hook to a TV than the console does.
I've been concentrating on playing old games from 10-30 years ago that I either missed or just still love playing. SNES, GBA, GameCube, XBox 360-- those are my most played consoles. When they're HDMI modded and run through an upscaler like the RetroTink4K, they still look gorgeous. I haven't played a "new" game since Resident Evil 7.
I am planning on getting an XBox Series X though, mainly for the upgrades on 360 games, but also to catch up on cool sounding newer games like Control or Alan Wake 2 or the new Resident Evil games.
Fun fact, it is not a slim. It use the same amount of power and the chip is as big as the fat one. They just refined the design to waste less space. Slim consoles use a less power hungry, smaller chip to make them tiny consoles. In fact, the reason why the pro is so expensive is because there is no way to build a real slim yet.
I'm just into Handheld Gaming PCs now - GOG, Steam, Emulation, Mods, BEST backwards compatibility, well worth the investment. Some are powerful enough to double as a desktop PC as well.
I have had the same PC with a couple of upgrades for more than 10 years, and I can run whatever I want. PS1 onwards with few exceptions. People will need to purchase a PS5 PRO just to play in the same level as my pc. And my PC is not even high end. I'm not even trying to convince anyone, games are literally developed on PCs..
AAA games are not only more expensive to make, but also are taking 1.5-2 times as long to develop compared to previous generations. This leads to devs not wanting to take as many risks and you end up seeing lots of uninspired designed-by-committee AAA games nowadays. If any of you think games “suck” nowadays. I implore you to look towards indie and AA games. There are endless amounts of unique genuinely inspiring creative games out there releasing every month
Because the ps5 slim I bought was worth just as much as the 4060 ti on its own. The fact it can play modern games at all is a huge plus to me, and since I play mostly singleplayer games now-adays Ps plus really isn't a big deal to me.
A PC will cost triple the price of a ps5 to be on the same level. Plus, there are console exclusives I'd prefer to play as soon as they come out and not have to wait 3 years for it to come to PC
With basically every major game being ported to PC, there's not much of a point in buying a console. Also with the state of owning media, I've been more inclined to go to the retro market where there's also a bunch of great mods to keep the games alive and fresh.
Honestly, aside from console exclusive games, when I buy a console, I know it's made to play the games I buy. I have had 3 gaming laptops (not everybody have space for desktops), and while my current one seems to be promising, I had to know the games could work and optimize my computer (turnign things on and off, in case I'm using the wrong word) to make them play better. Only played 2 that worked well, games that came out 3-4 years before the gaming laptop I got. Only until I find a space for desktops will I try to buy a gaming desktop. I live nowhere that sells PC parts to build one and I don't trust delivery services. Yes, PC is better if you want the best gaming experience, but it's also expensive. $700-800 is the cost of the PS Pro, which is ridiculous if they don't adapt PC features like M/K and single player mod support. My laptop was also $800 and so far can play one game, but PC is also made for doing a lot of other things as well. If a PC was made as a "gaming only" platform, I'd assume it would cost about $400-$600.
Most people on PC don't really brag about their rigs, all of my friends and every PC gamer I've ever met have never bragged about it even once, I haven't either as much as I love my rig I think bragging is just cringe
But gaming ready PCs are also expensive... I don't know that there is a cost benefit to PC argument. Only reason I went PC when I saw games having performance hindered on console. Destiny is perfect example of this... 60 fps capable consoles yet Bungie purposely left it 30 fps.
Of course there's a cost benefit to PCs. You're only looking at the initial cost, but you should be looking at cost over the lifetime of the device. How much are you paying every year to play online on a console? How much are you paying for games on console, especially if you got one that's digital only and thus rarely has good sales? All of that ads up. PC costs more up front but then saves money long term.
@@mjc0961 but initial cost is huge now. 2-3k PC vs $500-$700 console. PC has multi-purposes like work and play vs consoles is just play. Additionally it's control over hardware. Examples are COD games during Xbox to Xbox One. Digital Games had 1 year to upgrade consoles or you lose digital right to game. I was one of those who upgraded consoles 2-3 yrs later and I did lose my digital copy to some Cod games. I never gave another dollar to Activision after that. Then look at Destiny 2... Locked to 30 fps on 60fps capable consoles. Make that make sense. That is why PC makes sense. Upgrade PC... Never lose my games. Games are not limited by the game company. I don't see cost benefit... Only control over hardware as my argument.
@@TheLitman722-3k pc? Maybe if you want the Lamborghini of pc’s but an entry level pc that’s costs a few hundred runs 90 percent of games just fine. It is insane that in 2024 people believe this shit.
@@mjc0961 why dont you actually do the analysis instead of see scary number that others lied about. 1080p gaming and 60-120fps, $1000 maximum investment.
I mostly play on Nintendo, despite the fact I use my PC to make my own little games and mod older games... The thing for me is that continuously upgrading my PC just feels like a stresser... and I am not exactly going hungry on Switch. If anything I really don't need a bigger backlog.
I got a PS5 Digital recently. Platinumed Stellar Blade and Astro's Playroom on it, then found out... it has no games I wanna play. I did wanna play Demon's Souls but I'm not down with that half hp on death BS. So I returned it and got a Steam Deck instead. I had already played everything I wanted to play on PS4, and PS5 didn't have anything really new that I wanted to play. And it's so EXPENSIVE on console. Why would I buy FF16 for 70 bucks AND the DLC for an additional 25 when I could get the frieakin full game and DLC for 61 dollars on a key reseller site? And Black Myth: Wukong for 20 dollars cheaper on PC AND still play it with a dualshock controller on PC, so I'm still "playing it on PS5" lmao Consoles are a joke. The only worthwhile console is the Switch and even then you can emulate it on PC, so it doesn't really matter. Xbox's games are ALL on PC. There is no reason to buy a console. PC gaming is NOT a costly hobby in the long run.
I love emulators but you're still not getting the best experience playing Switch games on emulator. It'll get their eventually but there are still problems.
Does any one remember in the late 90s I think 97/98 the commercial for the PS9 that whole commercial was awesome I was mesmerized. Now I am a gamer who has just about every console because I followed the games & devs instead and I also have a few PCs (Win 7 ult 64bit and Xp Pro-Black OS & an old 1985 IVM MSDOS/Windows 3.1 loved my MS dos games 🙃) As the years went by I kept waiting for the day that PS9 would happen/come out 😅😂😮 and when PS2 & PS3 came out I thought it was headed in the right direction but then when PS4 & XBOX ONE first came out, I then realized gaming was on its last good years Especially with no backwards Compatibility. I did get both systems but only got the Xbox one when Quantum Break console bundle came out. Only have about 5 or 6 games for my X ONE (none of them are shooters) & 150+ for PS4. There are still quite a few games for both consoles I want but it's harder and harder to find them. I won't even bother with any new consoles from now on or PC stuff since it seems like PC parts just become obsolete after 3-6months. There's only thing left Corporate Greed, Coruption, Planned Obsolescence, No Backwards compatibility for every console game that came before, The Removal of All physical Media & Devs too scared or not being allowed to make NEW Original great games with the same Magic they once had from 90s & early 00s without being afraid of getting shut down. The Gaming Magic is just dead and now its time to scavenge all the old consoles, games, wacky accessories Mod them and anything that can be played offline and with a player 2 sitting next to me or a group having a Lan Party is gonna be best options now. I just can't trust any of the companies anymore.
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Them still charging a subscription fee for online is still a scam.
Always has been and always will
But 300% mark-up for a GPU is fine. The company making a 10% margin is the bad guy.
@@jiggerypokery2962 Both suck now. With consoles you've been getting scammed for 2 gens now and with PC it's been the same since the 2000 series. Before PC was a no-brainer, and it still kind of is, but you have to be careful with what you're buying now, especially since a lot of HW just plain sucks now and it's not even the price/perf which is bad. AMD GPUs should be avoided at all cost now for example, as AMD drivers suck and you're often left with no AF if the game itself doesn't support it or the in-game AF settings are downgraded. There's tons and tons of games, from AAA to indie, which do not support AF for their GFX settings. And with AMD you're either limited to up to 8x via the control panel, or often nothing, as it can't force it at all. It's a coin flip if it'll work or not. And then nvidia is scamming everyone with DLSS/frame gen and next to no progress, while they keep adding more and more terribly built cores to their cards. Compare the core count for 10 series to 3000 and 4000 and then compare the actual performance, it's night and day. You're best off buying older Intel/AMD and then get a used GPU as well and just download all your games for free, that's the only sensible action at this point in time.
@@jiggerypokery2962 agree PC gaming been a dumpster fire since the pandemic prices are insane i'm not buying a midrange $300 GPU for $550/$600. I have a series X and not thinking about upgrading my 2060 until prices are back to normal.
@@gardenstateboss i'm not even sure what you're talking about,i've been looking at component prices for awhile now very few GPUs are above MSRP and can be found below that very easily,i literally did that on pcpartpicker 20 minutes ago
The more expensive a console gets, the more appealing a pc becomes.
It's not like steam is any better, they made their family sharing have a region lock after Netflix did it but their social media team blames it on account sellers as if that puts even a dent in any sales and the timing is so covinent. Too many launchers and all of them including steam eat up too much vram
@@MGrey-qb5xz piracy?
@@MGrey-qb5xz and that claim that steam and launchers use vram is straight up bull lmao do you even know what vram is
@@pravnav Steam does use GPU and VRAM when hardware acceleration is enabled in settings. If you turn it off it uses CPU and main system RAM instead. Same with programs like Discord. You can test this but changing the option and restarting the program in question, while looking at VRAM with task manager.
@@MGrey-qb5xzstill free online
5:13 “Especially for Nintendo” What do you mean? Nintendo’s had a great lineage of backwards compatibility.
GB -> GBA -> DS -> 3DS
GC -> Wii -> Wii U
The only reason the Switch isn’t backwards compatible is because it’s a completely different form factor from the Wii U and 3DS. It’s too small for a disk drive and lack dual screen functionality to play both system’s libraries.
The 3ds cant do gba or gb nor can the ds do gb
@@ocelotmadness6287 I meant more that these systems can play the previous Gen natively without having to write it out repetitively like
GBA can play GB, DS can play GBA, 3DS can play DS.
Wii can play GC, Wii U can play Wii.
Small thing is I emulate ds and 3ds games on my steam deck. Is the screen slightly janky but it's possible to run the games and play them on 1 screen
@@ethanplayzz1870 yes of course emulation’s always an option. The Wii U did have official DS Virtual Console but that’s not native backwards compatibility.
@@ocelotmadness6287it can actually, the 3DS have GB firmware and is capable of being a gameboy if you boot into that mode.
That's how the ambassador program works. It boots into GBA firmware to run GBA games.
But outside of the ambassador program you need a homebred 3DS though.
Nah its crazy how mfs will spend 3 times the ammount for better graphics on a video game when you can just go outside for even better graphics
You got a good point lol 😆
Lol, "we got ray tracing" yeah buddy I'll just go outside for real time ray tracing and volumetric fog
You can't kill people outside and swing 5 foot long blades
Atleast not reliably
Yeah my PC was expensive but I don't pay for games. I don't pay for online fees. My library of games is near bottomless. It should play games well for at least a few more years before just needing a gpu upgrade. I can even play games from w*ntendo
Physical games. I wish pc still had physical releases.
Zoomers don't understand this
But how? I’m pretty sure modern mainboards don’t even have SATA ports anymore as hard drives migrated to m.2
The last time I had a disc drive in my pc was around 2012
Circuit city?
@@rethardotv5874 The ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E released back in august and still has sata ports, Also there's always external usb cd, dvd, blueray drives.
@@rethardotv5874sata is still supported, problem is finding a case that supports dusk droves
I’ll tell you simply. I buy consoles for simplicity. I buy a console, plug it in, download a game, and am playing. I don’t have to worry about any issues aside from gameplay issues. I know it’s not my settings, console or hardware, if something is borked, then it’s the game.
I don’t want to troubleshoot why my game isn’t playing right. I don’t even want to learn. I have very limited time in my life, learning anything about a PC is not on my priority list. I just want to turn on the power and have confidence that it will work.
And I don’t have to worry about upgrading my console really. If the game is sold for it, it will work. I don’t have to keep upgrading parts every few years to keep up. I’ve had my PS5 4 years about. No issues. If I want to upgrade to the new PS5 pro I can, not a big deal. Not a necessity. So 500 bucks over 4 years, plus whatever else I choose to buy for it, not too bad. I dont think anyone really cares so much about the graphics anymore. As long as it’s a decent frame rate, it’s good. There’s a lot of beautiful games that came out this generation, and playing them on performance really didn’t rob the experience. I just want a console powerful enough to play a game at a good frame rate while looking nice.
Mostly my sentiments!
I want you to self reflect, whether you need to play videogames at this point. Gaming is just a hobby, it is optional.
@@Slawa_Saporogez this comment makes no sense. I know it’s optional. That’s why I want it to be simple. If my hobby was fishing, I don’t need to make by own poles or lures. I just buy one and put a line in the water. If I liked hunting, I don’t need to load my own ammo. What kind of dumb comment is this?
The fact that people are still parroting this asinine argument is crazy to me. This is literally the experience of playing PC now outside of building your own PC from scratch. Buy a steam deck, gaming laptop or prebuilt PC, plug it in, download whatever storefront you want and play your games. You don't even need to pay for the fucking games. Anyone who actually thinks like this is truly not gonna make it
PCs are simple af now bro
2010 - exclusivity is bad for the industry.
2024 - cross-plat is bad for the industry.
Yeah these people are dumb. I wanted an Xbox because the console looks cooler than PS5 but i had to go for PS5 because of the few exclusives. Just because a game is not exclusive do not mean it does not exist
Nah, exclusivity is bad for the industry. It keeps playerbase divided
@@residentevil2928Yet Xbox is always critiqued for putting its games on other systems and now pc people are saying abandon PlayStation because those games go to pc.
Why are PC gamers so obsessed with console?
Like why are they so insecure and feel the need to talk about them all the time? Are yall okay?
PC gamers aren't obsessed, but the economics aren't improving. @@EggEnjoyer
Really wish the online connectivity subscription was separate from the game subscription
I dont want to pay $70 year just play online, its such a scam
*79.99
"online connectivity subscription" 😂
this shouldn't even exist in the first place. It's like tax but the worst kind that you paid to feudal lords or local mafia goons.
@@biskitpagla they do it because they can and you can't stop them or do anything about it because the software is in a walled garden.
I already pay an online connectivity subscription to my ISP. That's the only one I should have to pay. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo shouldn't be charging me for that a second time. Online play should be free. Online games are monetized to hell and back and that's what actually pays for keeping the games running, so I have no idea what the big three are doing with the money they're forcing everyone to pay.
@@mjc0961 yeah or at least they shouldn't have a complete monopoly on running servers to access multiplayer features, I want to run multiplayer on my own servers for my own games with out anyone's permission to say or do whatever I want in them.
I feel like there's a bit of hypocrisy in praising Nintendo keeping their first party games exclusive, but also saying that Microsoft and Sony should not have their first party games be exclusive.
The whole point of exclusives is a reason to buy the console in the first place is in a position where they don’t need to be pimping out their games to PC like Microsoft and Sony because Nintendo sells games like gangbusters particularly Mario and Zelda
@@TehPiemaygor Yeah I don't agree with him there, exclusive games are a big selling point for consoles. He's right about consoles needing more than just exclusives to be worth buying over a PC though.
The difference between them is Nintendo makes their exclusives in-house. It's their own developers and studios. Sony and Microsoft just buy/pay other developers the not release their games on other consoles
The other reason is Nintendo manage their finances better thereby releasing more games.
But with Sony + Microsoft the games are costing way more so they feel more compelled to sell their games multiplatform
What if I told you that people can see the benefit of both. Its not that black and white. Nintendo keeping their games exclusive is a good thing as they have more games on their platform and it keeps people in their ecosystem. Playstation and X-Box are better off putting their games on the PC because they don't have that many games this generation and putting their games on PC widens the audience and they get more sales because of it. If Microsoft and Sony had more games this generation then perhaps they would still be better off keeping their IPs exclusive to their hardware. Its all situational, and its not hypocritical to think Nintendo and its competition are better off doing things the opposite way.
Because Normies and convenience.
Remember, if you have to ask this question, You don't understand the point of a console.
Yes. And having an expensive pro is not a problem. People will buy the base console and play the same game at a lower resolution without even understanding what it mean.
It’s like you didn’t watch the video.
The point of the video is that it isn’t actually convenient anymore, and normies want what’s convenient.
Just because the “point” of a console is one thing doesn’t mean it is achieving that thing, nor are people viewing it as achieving that thing anymore.
@@jhallo1851it's still far more convent than PC
@@jhallo1851it really is still convenient and you need to get out the house more
Discs were convient, yet out of their hundreds of billions in wealth microsoft is too greedy to spend 50 million producing all physical discs for their library.
Consumers hate consoles these days because if we are going digital might as well just buy a gaming PC with steam.
They need PS5 games, I've spent more time playing PS4 games on my PS5 than PS5 games. I doubt my PS4 games will get upgrades....
Same. I don't even know what they're gonna do for PS6. I can't spend more time playing PS5 games on my PS6 than PS6 games because there's no PS5 games to play. Maybe Sony expects me to play my PS4 games yet again? Hope PS6 still has a disc drive if that's the case. (just kidding, I don't care, I'm not buying a PS6)
They already had upgrades. Ghosts of tsushima runs at 4k60 on PS5. And it's the PS4 version of the game i am talking about. Every PS4 pro enhanced games run better on PS5 because the PS4 pro struggled to run at 4k.
Some games got upgraded it’ll be a lot more stable especially the unlock frame modes on god of war or spiderman I’m curious to see if you’ll be pushing 80fps with a unlocked frame rate
This is why I'm selling both my ps4 and ps5. I just built pc and every game I had on console look 3xtimes better old and new
That s why i spent 120$ for a ps4.
Money well spent, i knew ps 5 will be a flop.
Everything you say here is why I am done with modern gaming. PS4 was the last console I bought.
same here
Your choice, waiting for my PS5 Pro.
Same, with the constant rise of prices in PSN online, lack of quality games and censorship, PS4 was the last home console for me. At least with steam, online is free and there's always sales.
@@Nazzychan I'm happy chilling on Batocera most nights lol, I do have a beefy gaming PC but I usually use it for making vids more than gaming. So damn many good old games to catch up on to worry about new games
Plenty of fine indie games available - 'course, they're largely on PC.
Funny enough I grew up on PC gaming, such as it was. My mom had a PC when I was a kid and my first games were on there. Despite this I still loved Console games growing up, even if I bought most of them a generation behind and used. The simplistic plug and play was just nice, and as I said the cheap price of used games helped. Something you rarely saw in PC gaming, people just didn't resell their old PC games much even when they were on disc.
But consoles have gone a long way from what made them great. Ease of use is down as you wait for Gigs of updates to download, you are generally forced to pay a monthly subscription fee to play any kind of online game and nearly all games are online for one reason or another now. Many games even with a disc are unplayable without a downloaded patch, some times nothing more than an empty disc is really on there and you download almost the entire game.
With games being tied to a online account, even if you have a physical disc combined with digital downloads the used game market is all but dead as well, losing that benefit of cheaper games as well. Simply put there isn't a lot of reason to buy a console any more other than exclusive games, and I think the PS5 has like what 30 of them right now? After about 4 years that is pretty sad.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming Most of the PS5's exclusive library is also on PS4 at this point, it has very few true exclusives.
@@100organicfreshmemes5 True most the list I have seen are just Sony exclusives, they don't filter out games also on PS4. And of those handful I think like 3 of them are anything I'd consider great.
Only 2 ps5 games on ps4@@100organicfreshmemes5
Lmao 30!? The PS5 only has like 3 or 4 exclusives left now... and those will get ported to PC eventually anyway.
@thegreatmightyd my bad, I meant 40
Yes it's very expensive, yes there isn't much improvement and online is expensive. But people with lots of money, people who test things, people who mod, etc. will always buy new things. A more interesting question is will they move to making computers? The PS5 is about as powerful as a PC, the Switch 2 conttoller can function like a mouse, and the Steam Deck is basically a smaller computer when you get the dock. At some point people need to realize that 2D games and lower cost games are extremely valuable, the "best" graphics and lifelike and whatever really shouldn't matter much.
I'm poor and can't afford a gaming PC, so a Series S that I bought used is truly a blessing.
That's awesome dude, if you ever decide to get into PC gaming you can always buy one part at a time and then have a full fledged gaming PC on the cheap and eBay also helps out a lot
That or you can try to finance one pay little by little best buy offers a 12 month payment plan for them and you can always pay it off early
same here, love the little thing. still get to play alm the games with it. 💪
You can always go budget and have cheaper pc than any console or pc.
I bought mine for 200$ and it runs almost all new games ❤
You can go even cheaper if you know how.
@andipajeroking from Tyrone?
i've been a lifelong PC gamer, and while i've never liked consoles i did understand why they were still around - at minimum, some people just don't wanna bother with all the troubleshooting associated with PC gaming (and i can fully believe that, cuz it can be a massive pain in the ass lol).
but i do think you raise some good points. Consoles are kinda dying just because nobody's making games for them, and they apparently can't just copy/paste nintendo's strategy of making multiple smaller games for like a third of the price or whatever.
i just want them to release all the PS3 games on PC, man. Gotta have all the Ratchet & Clank games on Steam lol.
The only thing keeping me tied down to a console is 4k movies, blu-rays, & dvds. (I dumped a small fortune into collecting movies over the years).
@b4rs629 You can still do that on PC. Especially if you want to role play as Jack Sparrow.
But do you really own them? Didn't Sony just cut a good portion of their library with no warning and deleted the media from people's libraries? At least role-playing as black beard you literally can keep the files.
@@seaweeb2258 I mean actual discs not digital purchases.
If they don't release games on consoles, they don't release games on PC either. There are no PC exclusives that are mass market apeal. This argument is completely invalid.
Interestingly Microsoft does the same with the XBOX Game Pass what Nintendo does with consoles and their games. Sony is stuck with the idea of Sony console = very exclusive luxury for a player when a player doesn't care about it. This logic of Sony isn't relevant in the current gaming environment.
I kinda disagree? Im a pc gamer btw my whole life. Id wager consoles arent fading, probably selling more then previous generations by sheer statistics(world population grows, gaming keeps growing for all age ranges). Maybe they arent selling proportionally as before, and the total number is more fragmented (so we dont have such a huge winner like the PS2). Yes theyre costing more for less- but that can be said for gaming as a whole. AAA is pushing for higher prices, even on pc they do that with dlc/season pass- yet they release worse...
I think theres some optics going there. Theyre not the behemoths they once were. I bet some sales are lost to pc but frankly theyre loosing more to price and MOBILE not pc. Theres a big thing about optics on almost all subjects but even more so on industry and entertainment- most of the impression comes from public opnion(not reality) and the business talk. 'Oh ubisoft stock took a dive, outlaws under performed'- yup yet it had profit, it only sold less then expected. Much of the crysis people talk about are only about stock and projected sales etc etc, all big publishers are selling more then ever and would be profiting more (that can vary if theyre spending too much more, but that would be mismanegement)
And the appeal of consoles goes way beyond kids and the tech iliterate. Ive been a pc gamer my whole life and invested on a mid pc that is dating well, but werent for my low income (low wages in my country) id definetly buy into consoles. Theres nothing quite just firing up a game quicklyy on the living room, i always loved couch gaming, even when i have gamer friends over we dont go play on the pc... heck even by myself id rather throw myself in the sofa when getting home and firing up a game, depending on the genre... and on top of all it will just work.
I will never leave pc gaming tough... im highly tech savvy, built my machine, modded some, overclocking... but frankly i hate some of the headaches i have. Every title once again i have to setup first. Sometime some bug or weird underperformance or stutters and there i go troubleshoot. Older titles wich i love very frequently i have to go search some workaround, patch, etc etc
Pc CAN be the ultimate gaming platform, and i will always vouch for it(its a tool, work, study etc) but it will never have some of the advantages of console and it probably will never be 'built for' gaming wich brings a whole bunch of caveats. Also pc gaming still feels like hardcore hobbyst thing- like nothing beats playing a arcade games library on a custom built arcade cabinet, all titles with the perfect emulator+rom+settings. But the work to reach that and mantain that? Thats pc in a nutshell. We came a long way of making most things easier, pc gaming grows but frankly it will probably remain niche by comparison. Its a HUGE niche, but its like i said earlier about huge population. We can safely shoot that the peak of pc gaming in the entire human history, whenever year that will be, it would still be like a tenth tops the total of potential gaming market. NORMIES far far outnumber us...
And heck projections about the 'death' of pc era peak still go around, and i dont mean gaming, i mean as a whole. Desktop pcs are becoming increasingly niche because of laptops; But even those are steadily loosing ground to mobile, not even tablets. The better smartphones get... 1 tablet 1 keyboard/mouse and most people can work, study, even do some heavier work once unimaginable outside of pc (ive seen digital artists, video editors, 3d modelers even working on tablets).
That is sadly where the highest potential market is, and current even. Parents arent buying consoles because of pc, but because they kids are already playing on phones.
My ass ain't reading all that
@@rishanthehe Sick burn bro
@rishanthehe I totally agree!
Ugh you can hook up a pc via hdmi and play with a controller
Well funded argument, actually. Ignore the mouthbreathers in the reply.
My daughter wanted to buy me something new for gaming this year for Christmas, whether it be a PS5, XBox, or whatever. I already have a Switch and love it. So I looked around, priced everything, researched the pros and cons of everything and here I sit with my new early present - a Steam Deck. I have to say, that after being a console gamer for years, the steam deck is fantastic. I don't think I want to go back to regular consoles. Regular PC gaming is too expensive for my fixed income, so the Steam Deck is perfect....
Loved this video. You did a great job 😊
Yeah I'm thinking of switch/switch 2 and a steam deck is a great combo
@@lightdarksoul2097 Yeah and if you can afford it a like $700 PC to pair with that so you can play those PC games better quality and performance and have windows by your side:)
PSX - PS3 was amazing if you ask me. PS4 was pretty good; I kinda hated having to pay for a PS+ subscription. PS5... nah...
I never played more PS3 than I have now
@@nickyjames1985 Bro PS3 emulation is so good on PC now I highly recommend trying it if you haven't already or haven't tried it in awhile
Never got to play the PS2, but compared to ones that came after it...PS5 is simply the best console for me tbh...
@Zeegoku1007 not experiencing the PS2 is what invalidates your argument right there, no shade, shades welcome, but PS1 and 2 were pivotal moments
@@Zeegoku1007 The PS2 had far more games and better ones and it came out in a time where having a console and a DVD player for the price of a DVD player was an absolute steal
PC is more versatile than a console, you have access to the biggest catalog of games, online is free, you can use any controler you want, you can plug it to a TV and you can upgrade it. Indeed I don't see any reason to consider a console over a PC today... Well maybe one reason, the price.
It was a time where 2000$ could buy you a high end PC that will stay relevant for many years. If you want the same today, you'll probably have to push your spending over 3000$, thanks to the rise of GPU prices. I can understand why some people are still seduced by the concept of console, they're expensive, but still way cheaper than any decent PC configuration.
Even this PS5 Pro at 700$ mark which is expensive is basically the price of a fairly recent GPU
There's a few more points worth considering here:
You don't have to have a top of the line PC. You can get a more mid-range or low end PC that costs less and still be at or better than PS5 and XSX. Plenty of parts lists floating around thanks to PS5 Pro for PCs around $700.
PC does cost more up front, but if you can afford that higher upfront cost, you will save buckets of money long term. You don't have to pay to play online, so every year that's the cost of PS+ or Game Pass Whatever or NSO that stays in your wallet. Even having one console and paying to play online, if a console generation lasts for 8 years and the online subscription is $50 a year (I have no idea if that's accurate anymore thanks to all the messy tiers, so just treat this as an example), that's $400.
Games are often cheaper too. Steam sales are plentiful, and there's key sites (legit ones, not scam crap like G2A) competing too. If you want to preorder, you can even get unreleased games for around $10 off from key sites. Oh, and there's actual free games all the time on PC. Epic Games Store does them weekly, GOG often has freebies too, and sometimes even Steam has some. And yes, actually free - you pay nothing and get a game added to your account to keep. Not that BS massive sarcastic airquotes """free""" where you pay one of the console makers a yearly fee and get to rent games that they promptly take away if you ever stop paying.
Yall slow a console is all about convenience and I'm sorry console destroys pc in that department no matter how expensive a console gets. Another thing consoles will also get more powerful and still b a fraction of what u would have to pay to play on pc and that's if u get parts that work correctly. Than u have to wait for the sony games they don't come day and date and I'm sorry most of yall out here playing banana. your not playing the god of wars the spidermans the horizons the gears of wars the starfields. Yall not playing those games and it shows. Another thing most of you pc gamers are gaming at 1080 p so in reality the xbox and playstation are dogwalking those pcs it is what it is
@@RomualdFlibustier physical games is my reason
I enjoy my PC games but they still don't hold a candle to the Switch. The convenience is unmatched and so are the exclusives. Yes, I play older Nintendo consoles on emulator, but the Switch emulator still has a ways to go. If you want the best gaming experience with Nintendo Switch games, you have to own a Switch. I'd also point out you generally don't get innovative products like Nintendo Labo, Ring Fit Adventure, or Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit on PC which is a real shame. The game industry desperately needs more innovation and creativity. I just don't see that happening on PC as outside of the extremely niche VR ecosystem everything is designed for either keyboard and mouse or X Box controllers. Yeah, you can use any controller you want but that doesn't mean anything is going to be designed to take advantage of unique features the way Wii and DS games were using their unique features. It doesn't even matter if you set up gyro aiming on a Switch controller. If the PC game doesn't support it the results are less than satisfactory in my experience so far. Believe me, I've tried.
Fair points with few caveats. There is access to the biggest catalog of games, yet I constantly see PC gamers' anger when yet another title is a stutterfest. You can use any controller you want, yet without any haptics and adaptive triggers of Dualsense. You can plug it to a TV, yet HDR is wonky. You can upgrade it, yet PC eats up whole lot more energy and whole lot more time fixing stuff. There is a very high chance that prebuilt PC will be crap, unless one gets technical and does loads of research to plan and build a decent one. Vast majority will never do that. Midrange or low end PC is at or better than PS5 level only on paper. In real life, you will get stutters and worse performance overall due to lots of hardware shenanigans and much tighter integration of everything. PS4 was relevant for 7 years, and no low end or midrange PC with GTX 760 could run anything like RDR2 or TLOU 2 the same way base PS4 did (760 performed 16-27-ish FPS with a lot of frame time inconsistency on 1080p lowest settings in RDR2, to be exact).
Sony and Microsoft are the flashy mansions, with lots of cutting edge features and extravagant designs, but are built on a weak foundations and will topple as soon as anything goes awry.
Nintendo is the old brick building that will still be standing 200 years from now
Idk about that. For all of Nintendo's staying power, they're stagnant as heck and completely backwards in terms of the way they treat the player. They're bleeding, too. Slower that Sony and Microsoft, sure, but they're poor business practices have caught up to them.
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So Nintendo is getting the last laugh
I mean they've been in the gaming business since the 80s, late 70s if you include their pong consoles they did in Japan.
@@Chree1s Well yeah that's part of my point
The older one gets, the more important having separate spaces for work and gaming becomes.
The 6th and 7th gen were clearly the peak of consoles. The difference was that they took huge losses on future tech to really try to wow the customer. Nowadays, these things are closer to break even at launch.
The main reason I have a PS5 is to setup Street Fighter 6 at the local tournament and it runs the game pretty well compared to a $500 PC.
The biggest thing at these local meetups is that everyone brings their own controllers and PCs have such a hard time dealing with hotplugging different kinds of controllers while the game is running. I can't tell you how many times we'd have to restart the game after a set was finished because the of controller issues on PC when I tried it once with my mini ITX rig.
I bought a PS5 in 2022 when the scalper craze died down, and I dont regret it because as a PS4 Pro Pro it works well. I also appreciate the ability to buy physical copies in modern day- even if they are glorified installer programs. I also built a decent PC in 2023. Theres a very good chance the PS5 will be the last console I ever buy. We'll see if Nintendos new console gives me enough FOMO to fold, but the PC being able to play almost anything I want completely made up for the price of entry in my case. And eventually, in time, almost all consoles get emulators.
Most physical games are absolutely not glorified installers. There is almost always a playable, close to complete version of the game on the disc.
@@exotic-gem I think the OP meant that every disk still has to be installed.
and usually after the game is installed from the disc and then you boot up the game, the disc doesnt even spin in the disc drive at all meaning it's not being run off the disc itself (the PS5 disc drive is very loud when it's spinning so it's easy to notice)
also when downloading the same game either physical or digital, the download size will be the exact same regardless of what you do which is a big giveaway
the only modern console nowadays that still runs the game off the physical media you buy is strangely the nintendo switch
Damn bro your literally me lmao I also got my ps5 in 2022 and my PC in 2023, I’m def gonna be upgrading to the pro, I can comfortably afford it and plus even if it goes bad I can always refund it and go back to my og ps5
The price for entry isn't even as much of a factor because you aren't paying for a membership to use your own internet. Nintendo's is cheap but the service sucks, and anything above the lowest tier of Gamepass or PS+ will add up quickly. Not to mention you can get games for way cheaper on PC. You might not necessarily save money, but in the long term the cost evens out and PC has way more to offer.
Consoles are not pointless, they just aren’t as relative as they were before. PC gaming used to be a huge pain, now it’s evolved to make gaming on them much easier. Console exclusives were also much more a thing. Nowdays, every game comes out for all system. There is no reason to buy it on one specific console and even less of a reason if you own a PC because PC games usually always look and play better if you have the right hardware. And that is the biggest knock on PC’s, the price. For older gamers with money to spend, it’s not an issue. For kids and teens or those with a lower budget, consoles are better.
PC gaming isn't more expansive, infact, that's the complete opposite of reality. You can easily buy a decent PC for $200 or less as long as you're willing to buy used and make a few simple upgrades, and individual components can always be upgraded later on as well. The myth that PC gaming is "more expensive" seriously needs to die
I have no interest in power, so I will never be a PC gamer. Nothing against PC, but it's not a comfortable decision for me. Steam Deck might be the closest I'll get to PC gaming, if I get one.
What does power have to do with it? You can buy a PC on par with a PS5/Pro. It's more about not being locked to the console restrictive ecosystem.
@Rapunzel879 Not only that if comfort is the reason you don't wanna pc, you can always hook one up to an actual TV and play with a controller if you're used to consoles
@@TheDeathMetalOtakuone counterpoint to this would be if you play online shooters. It just won't be fun on PC with a controller if everyone else is twitch shooting you with 9000000000 DPI gaming mice.
@shepardcommander9960 Aren't you gonna have that problem anyway since a lot of mainstream online shooters are cross-platform? I don't personally use that setup myself. I just thought I'd recommend it to people who think you can't get comfortable on pc because you most certainly can.
@@shepardcommander9960actually that doesn't matter, most controllers can be hooked to pc & use Gyroscope aiming. Even Team Fortress 2 works with Switch pro & Ps5 Gyro controllers. Some of the best players use gyro😊
There are only 2 things, albeit BIG, issues still holding back gaming PCs.
1. *PRICE* - It's improving with "cheaper" midrange PCs, but game sales should help long term costs
2. *COMPLEXITY* - Consoles UI, controls and plug & play still can't be beat - Steam Deck is helping to remedy this as well as 3rd party front ends like Playnite, lunchbox and OSs like Bazzite etc..
The thing with price is people expect 60fps on PC while console games run at 30. This massively jack up the price on PC. The more realistic route of targeting games at 30fps, medium graphics and not optimal resolution would put you way closer to the price of a console.
I did a PCPARTPICKER to find out how much a PS5 pro equivalent would cost. It was 900$ and i cheaped out on the maximum amount of parts i could (consoles do it too, they are built cheap). A common mistake is also upgradability. People go for 600w PSU, but the console only have a PSU for what it need. 200w for the PS4 for example.
price has always been better on pc LONG term thats what most ppl dont understand
Basic economics. Gaming on PC is an order of magnitude cheaper, but you weren't able to look past the initial price point being higher, and that's where you stopped.
PC gaming is not complex. They have to sell games to the bottom of the barrel dredge of society, because your false image of what PC gaming is simply doesn't exist. It is not niche, and it is not hardcore, and the people who play games on PC are not more tech savvy. Gamers are idiots by default and they can definitely use a PC. Console players generally don't engage in weird-ass console wars mentality, but the ones who do are the dumbest people alive on planet earth, so yea, I expect that encountering a problem that requires a google search is a barrier to entry for them, and I also expect them to do something incredibly, mind numbingly stupid to break their hardware or software. This is why consoles may have merit.
Controls were never an issue, especially since any Xbox controller literally works natively with windows as long as you have bluetooth enabled. Just press the Xbox button and you're ready to game.
Consoles get substantial game sales too
I got my PS4 four years into that generation, and I bought it for $250. We are now four years into the PS5 generation, and it is still $500.
Getting into PC gaming would have an even higher initial investment, which I just can't afford.
So, I'll just stick with my PS4, thank you.
Same, I got my Pro in 2017 for €295 when the games were finally showing up. I already had a few on my sights but that year was the one that convinced me. Now I have like 200 games on it and they're still releasing games for PS4 + Classics and the best part is that the cross gen games pretty much look the same to the naked eye. Honestly, if the PS2 didn't exist, the PS4 would be my fav console - it turned out to be much better than I expected.
The PS5 on the other hand... I will most likely never get it. I have only seen like 4 or 5 games that interest me when the console only has 3 more years left. Not worth the money, not even close.
To be honest, if you buy used, your dollar would go a lot further. You can buy a decent used core I7 business computer for around 120-150 usd with 1 terabyte of storage and 12 gigs of ram. And you could get a Geforce RTX 4060 for about $250 used on ebay which can run any game you throw at it. Still much less money than a PS5 for a far better experience.
I'm really glad I got a PS4 relatively cheap too. It's got some pretty good exclusives, and a decent variety of other titles too. I therefore had no reason to get a PS5 because most of it is just remakes and reboots of older games.
mfs really keep moaning that pc is high initial investment failing to realize that the investment lasts longer, and they only need to save up a little more for decent 1080p gaming
PS4 is still plenty viable. I repurchased a slim PS4 months ago and didn’t realize just how many ps5 games also have a PS4 port
with consoles going digital, it kills the last reason why a lot of people pick up consoles in the first place, physical media
The way I see it, PC offers utility and the largest gaming library.
Back in the mid 2000s, Nintendo's CEO at the time, Iwata, said in an interview that the reason they chose to stay behind both Sony and Microsoft in terms of power is because they knew that if the of the time gaming trends (that being making high fidelity, cinematic experiences) because the norm, then budgets for those games would eventually balloon uncontrollably. And seeing that Nintendo seems to be the only one of the three actually having a profitable generation, I'd argue he was right. Well, that and Nintendo also know how to budget their games accordingly and aren't afraid of releasing smaller games to fill in gaps.
Portable gaming PCs has already won me over.
Just got my steam deck 2 weeks ago
@@OldFolkzand switch 2 will destroy it.
@@Pepe-dq2ib whatever helps you sleep at night
@@OldFolkz it's faster and all the relevant studios are on board to make games optimized for it.
@@Pepe-dq2ib steam decks can play Nintendo exclusives along with having a way larger library in general, it's more powerful, modding games etc. Also talk to yourself from this point on because idk why you are even trying to make this some competition when I simply said I bought a steam deck.
I still play console. I work and in my 30s. I have this really nice recliner and a wonderful big screen tv. Can’t play PC on it but my Xbox is wonderful with it. Why waste thousands on a PC to crick my neck when I can be in the lap of luxury after working all day playing a game I enjoy.
Because you can literally do the same on PC. PC will allow you to use any controller too, so you can truly customize your comfort on top of better graphics and performance.
PS and XBox are PC tech with artificially restricted OS.
Everything you said is untrue. Consoles are easy to use entry level gaming PC. The ONLY advantage modern consoles have is the ability to resume the game after you put the console to sleep. Or turn it on with the wireless controller. It's convenience. But you could do everything else with a PC.
Also, a "big screen" do not mean anything. What matter is the pixel per inch to make it sharp. And then, you need the hardware to drive all those pixels to make the games sharp. This is where the PS5 pro enters the chat. It will be better to make the games run sharp and smooth at the same time but the graphics itself will not change.
I'm 40 and PC does everything a console does but better and faster.
Consoles are becoming more PC like with regards to updates patches and installations but just a heck of a lot worse and slower in comparison.
People are seriously underestimating how good controller on pc has been with the widespread niche of motion controls.
Accuracy of a mouse with motion controls, can use flickstick setup to be able to instantly turn using your thumb sticks
Solarlight did a good video on it labeled “why controllers in tf2 don’t suck” but this applies to almost every video game on steam not just tf2
I get the idea here, but the flip side is true. Plenty of more casual players aren't going to bother with pc for the same reason they won't bother with the ps5 pro. If they can play the game they don't care, and a console is still the cheap and easy way to do this.
Then there's the weird stuff. I will probably never go away from pc gaming, but every so often I get a weird bug, such as helldivers 2 not working for me at the moment, which does remind me there are still issues.
Considering the price of the PS5 Pro and probably where they are going to start the PS6 is that even true? Is a console a cheap and easy way to play games? I'm not so sure anymore.
@@FlarisOf course it is. A PS4 is ~120$.
If you re talking about current gen, pc can be better, if you go budget!
You won't believe how many NPCs still don't know you can just plug a controller into the PC.
You usually can't use a controller for simulations or some MMOs but lets be honest most console gamers would've bought a PC already if they were actually interested in simulations and MMOs.
1. PC parts are more expensive than they’ve ever been.
2. Nvidia essentially has a monopoly. AMD has intel beat, but they have fallen off and have only made strides in efficiency.
3. Game quality is dubious on PC just as is the case for consoles.
4. Steam can charge whatever they want.
5. Value sells consoles, not exclusives.
6. People are smart enough to know which consoles are which especially because of all the marketing (these are still gamers after all).
Also, consoles aren't profitable. Games are. The purpose of consoles is to provide a cheaper platform for more people to join in on, so they can sell more of the profitable games at decent graphical fidelity. Most people can't afford the $1500 plus that you need to pay for a comparable PC experience.
Also, it's possible to make an argument for PC without being condescending. Saying that these people are tech illiterate or only play sports games and COD does not help your case for PC gaming. I am a PC gamer turned console gamer. A CS major. I am probably in the top 5% in terms of hardware knowledge, but I choose console because it's a nice experience. Console makes you feel like it is about you. When developers make games, they start with console, and you can feel that. Optimization and ease of use make it a no brainer for me. I don't want to be troubleshooting every single game I play. I want to sit down, relax, and play. I realized that I was spending more time troubleshooting than gaming and that put me over the edge.
@@schmolson6111 is straight up wrong. Pc parts were a lot more expensive in 2020.
2 just because nvidia has a monopoly, that doesnt mean you cant get good AMD cards.
3 games will use 100℅ of your gpu if you're on PC, while many games will be locked at 30fps on console.
4 steam is more pro-customer and gives you more options than the PS Store and the MS Store.
5 is correct
6 is correct
Other points:
>PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming in the long run. You can sell steam inventory itens for money, you dont have to pay to play online and steam has overall cheaper options.
>Consoles DONT make you feel like its about you. They make you feel like its about the corporations. You have no freedom to configure the games the way you see fit, you have no freedom to remove the invasive ads on the dashboard. If games are made for console first, I dont understand why kingdom come deliverance hasnt received a next gen patch yet, or why the sequel will be locked at 30 fps on consoles.
>Using your head to rarely troubleshoot is worth it considering most games wont be locked at 30fps.
@@riverblack123 Thank you. These are better arguments than those made in the video. As a question: How much do you think a comparable experience would cost for a PC user? How much would you spend on hardware and peripherals to get a decent 4K HDR experience? Additionally, how long would you use that hardware before upgrading? It seems to me that the upgrade cycle for PC is half the console upgrade cycle.
@@schmolson611 A good feature PC has over console is that the experience is customizable. For example, if you dont care about 4k and 1080p is enough for you, you get a low tier or mid tier PC and vice versa. The thing about console is that most games run on backwards compatibility mode, which means most games are not fully utilizing the console's capability. So even if you get a PC with less power than say a PS5, you will likely be playing the same games at 60fps while PS5 would deliver 30 fps.
Today, a PC with equal performance to an Xbox Series X would cost around $700 dollars, but lets remember the fact that all games will fully utilize your hardware capability and you have a bigger library of games. Its cheaper and more benefitial in the long run.
I'd say upgrade your GPU every 7 years. Its often cheaper than buying a pro console mid gen.
Meanwhile Nintendo:
nah im cooking great games about 5 times per year and it stays exclusives.
Nintendo hasn’t really made a good game in a while lmao
they are releasing a new mario and luigi game soon, hope it's good
The console wars are pretty much over: Microsoft all but conceded to Sony and wants to focus more on their streaming services. The direct result of this is there is no competition, Sony can charge whatever they want. Hardware manufacturers were used to taking a loss figuring they would get it back in game sales but Sony is coming in at a net profit. As you mentioned the slim model did not go down in price it actually went up which is not normal halfway through a systems lifespan.
I think Nintendo won the console war this Gen.
@@russellmania5349 some would make the argument that the switch is not technically a console but a portable that also happens to be a console. Either way, including them in the mix it’s hard to deny they “won” this generation
There is no war no more. They both dont qualify for it......
Moblie gaming is the future.
Yea, squinting at a tiny screen as opposed to a 85" OLED is the future.
I switched from PC to console this generation because I’m sick of the inconsistent optimization and constant spec-chasing. I’m really enjoying the PS5.
Ditto.. I even have a pretty solid PC but I am tired of looking up fixes and tinkering to get an acceptable experience. Sure, the visuals can be better on PC, not enough to deal with the extra effort.
The biggest downgrade in existence
me when my ps5 gets mogged by the pro version
@maxderholzrusse spec wise sure, enjoyment wise, definitely not.
@maxderholzrussedepends what you need
I have q switch and if i could i would buy two more cause i love it so more.
Just Bayonetta 2 and astral chain are better exclusives than anything ps made
I agree. The switch was and still is a phenomenal console that had tons of AAA and indie games that are just fun to play. Definitely getting Bayonetta 4 when that comes out for switch 2.
@@alphonsejohnson5601 sadly some physical games are only physical on paper.
@@radekkanikowski8817 But thankfully, The majority of them aren't.
I only play first party nintendo games on switch because they tailor the graphics to be able to run at 60fps and look sharp on the console. Everything else is a blurry mess at 30fps.
@@PyromancerRift it depends on game. some older titles run as good as first party nintendo stuff. stardew valley, darkest dungeon, dragon quest builders 1 & 2.
People always factor in online subs even if a lot of people don't actually have that and mostly just play f2p or single player games. The amount of money I saved from just buying console and second hand games is immense and a pc will never let me get that.
Same I basically only play single player games and I have the one with the disc drive. Saves me a lot of money and I’m content with that
It's all about resolution, frame rates and graphics.
What happened to gameplay and unique art direction? Most games(with some exceptions) running on unreal engine 5 looked the same. This is getting boring asf
What are good upgrades for a console?
New Graphics sucks. They are expensive, neglect gameplay and are shallow as fuck.
If you look closely many 2010 s had better art design and graphics than nowadays.
Good video. Personally I am pc player but I was beyond tired of people saying that console players are stupid because they get ripped off more. I have friends that prefer console due to not wanting to mess around with a pc or just don’t like to sit at a pc when there 9-5 is messing around on windows all day. You’re the first person that actually considers the other side of the coin nice work.
Look, if you have to pay a subscription fee to get access to a "free game" it isn't free now is it?
I know people will say "hurr durrr consoles are getting too expensive" but then forget to mention that modern PC graphics cards are like $2000.
I'm a PC gamer but I mostly play older games. I just can't afford this shit.
no theyre not, did you even look at prices before just lying. 40 series is like $300
Wut? Why are you comparing a 4090 to a console?
Hahaha these console gamers, so young, so clueless
What toyota is to the car market
Is what
Nintendo is to the gaming industry
In other words
“Just buy a nintendo or PC”
I'll be straight-up: I've been out of the console gaming (and AAA gaming) demographic for about a decade just from being too broke. it's not for people like me anymore. I cannot afford to drop $70 every time I want to try a new title. in fact, the thought of having to do so makes me so angry now that I refuse on principle even if I really want to play something. those prices are absolutely insanely inflated compared to what I get paid. nope. not possible anymore, even if I wanted to. I am not choosing between gaming and eating. this industry has never cared about us -- it's an industry, after all, not a community.
In my recent memory AAA games were $30 to 40. the fact that they've doubled what people are willing to pay so quickly put a bad taste in my mouth so long ago. it's like the second microtransactions and open (empty) world filler became common we suddenly have to pay the difference for those two gross, unwanted things so they can make even more money. it's disgusting. people NEED to start getting mad.
the real sad thing is, if backlash ever did bite into Sony or Microsoft's chunk of this market they would just focus their efforts elsewhere, like television. there's really no future where any of these companies walk back these greedy decisions, they'll just shift focus to keep making all the money.
When factoring in inflation new games are cheaper than ever before. The backlash of raising the prices of video games is why micro transactions took over the industry. Adjusted for inflation Zelda a link to the past, which retailed for $50 at release, would cost $101.78 in today’s money. It’s fine to say that you personally can’t afford or don’t find new games worth it, absolutely no shame in that, I can’t remember the last time I bought a new release. But it’s important to understand that game development is more expensive then ever and that every year prices don’t increase it means new games are actually getting cheaper.
The thing about pc is we don’t own those games so if your account gets hacked or banned it’s game over.
It’s going to be a dark dark day when steam goes down
@ i pray it never happens but yea man people are gonna lose it
I grew up with PC & consoles and always played on both. While PC could have the best version of every game - IF you have the hardware for it - the consoles offer still a much more plug&play based experience than any PC could ever do. I know a LOT of people who never played on PC, and just wanna have fun and don't want to cope with windows, drivers, updates, problem solving etc. Consoles will not die. Xbox will die at some point, because MS destroyed it in 2013 with "TV TV TV TV TV". Consoles will always be around, PC will always be around.
It’s interesting how every perk that consoles used to have listed here is what is making the Nintendo Switch such a juggernaut in sales. It is an easy to understand, easy to use console with a huge exclusive catalog, and because the Nintendo developers aren’t tied to long development cycles for the sake of pushing technical wonders, the customers are giving a constant flow of mostly quality titles and even recently niche games that wouldn’t even be considered in other platforms. No wonder why the gaming space is so expectant to the Nintendo Switch successor.
Now, even though I understand how convenient PC gaming is and have gotten for myself a pretty capable laptop for it, I will never be a PC gaming evangelist because I’m too aware of its qualms. Having to deal with specifications and minimal requirements can be intimidating for many, emulation still can be a pain in the ass when you try to make a game properly run, and some people can be sold on the idea of sitting in front of a computer for leisure when they have spent their entire day working in front of it. Gaming consoles are still needed, but sadly besides Nintendo it seems that both Xbox or Sony have lost the north when it comes to offer a dedicated gaming device.
I apologize for this massive paragraph, but I really felt like my input may help someone somewhere. So, I have a Switch, PS5, and PC(a very not cheap one!) If I'm being absolutely honest. There are many games I just didn't want to deal with getting to run properly on PC, and I also really wanted to play the Final Fantasy games on launch. On top of that the used games you get for having a disc version of the PS5 can trump out steam sales any day. The PS4 backwards compatibility is also super nice, since you can get used PS4 games for incredibly cheap rn. I got a copy of God of War Ragnarok (PS5) for $20 2 weeks after it came out. And I recently got the entire Kingdom Hearts series, Scarlet Nexus, the entire Ninja Storm series, the Dark Souls Trilogy, and the Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Collection for about $150 at a Game Stop that was doing buy 2 get one free on all used PS4 games. That being said, I usually use my PC for games that I want to play online like the Monster Hunter Series, or games that I just want to play in the best possible way like Cyberpunk 2077. There are very much merits to both. What a lot of people need to note, is that if you really want to be cheap, pay the extra money for a disc drive, as used games are the same as new games and they are way cheaper than the digital and buying digital games in the long run. If you want to play games online, please! Go buy a PC! You're better off paying $500 on a pc the can run basic titles and online being free, and putting the $15 a month you would spend on online access back and saving for better pc components as they come out. Doing this I was able to get up for a high end GPU after 5 years of my old one. I had a 2060ti and I just upgraded to the 7900xt. I was gifted a 9800x3d from my fiance, but give it another 2 years of this and I probably could've gotten one anyways, since I still have a chunk left over from my GPU upgrade.
Tons of reasons to buy a console. If anything it’s PC gaming that’s becoming less and less appealing.
Building a gaming PC that can outperform current gen consoles is getting more expensive than ever. Plus, getting the “ultimate experience” on PC hasn’t been the most consistent thing in the world. Performance problems, stuttering, frame time inconsistencies, compatibility issues, you name it.
With a console you can be sure a game will just work and nowadays it more often than not runs just as good as it does on a high end pc, just with lower settings, which the vast majority of PC gamers use anyway.
This narrative that consoles are becoming obsolete completely missed the point of consoles and why people buy them.
I play both pc and console and i switch whenever i get tired of one or the other. It helps to work your way around a situation instead of acting like you're stuck to deal with it if I make any sense
I think the PS5 was a great value in 2020 at $500. It should be $400 at most now for the disc version of the PS5 Amateur. Console gaming is about value and being plug and play. Graphics have been good enough for 10 years. I would be fine if they just focus on providing a polished 60 fps experience over ray tracing BS
The value is pretty dogshit you're paying 500 dollars to do basically nothing at 40 fps 900p that's absolutely atrocious
@@Scornfull which games run at 900p 40fps on the PS5?
The issue with the price is sony and crosoft chose to use cuting edge technology to make the processors and unfortunately that cuting edge stagnated and the price increased. This is why they could not sell it for less.
The PS4 released using TSMC 28nm. The slim and pro upgraded to TSMC 16nm finfet. It almost doubled the performance per watt/mm². Meaning they could make a chip half the size of base PS4 with the same performance and half the power usage for cheaper on the PS4 slim.
Sony started the PS5 on 6nm, they upgraded to 5nm and we are still on 5nm. The slim is not a slim as it use 5nm and require 200w just like the fat model. From that you can only use a bigger chip who require more watt and cooling for a pro. Driving the price up by a large amount.
For everything else i am totally validating your point of view. But regarding 60fps, the consoles already have a 60fps mode. It just don't run at 4k and variable resolution is pure trash. Because to have a sharp picture, you need to have a resolution that is in line with the native resolution of your screen. For example 4k is 4 times 1080p. 2 times wider and 2 times taller. Meaning each 1080p pixel can be arranged to take a 2by2 square of pixels on a 4k screen to look sharp. But an in between resolution will look blurry because colors will have to be smeared between real pixels.
@@PyromancerRift It wasn't even cutting edge when it released but that's the problem with consoles, they're stagnant pieces of hardware. It would be nice if console versions of games at least gave you the option to change settings so you can have 60 fps with the settings you personally think look the best and I have no idea why that still isn't a thing. But to me that's the core issue you either have to play in performance mode or quality mode there's no option to tweak anything so you're either not using the hardware to its fullest or you're forced to play with ray tracing turned on which is being done on AMD hardware from 2018 of all things 💀
Yea, go pay 1000$ to do 1080p on pc 😂
I agree with much of the sentiment discussed here, but realistically, it all comes down to the vast majority of gamers being normies (ironic, given that historically it was associated with a nerd’s pastime) who want to do as little thinking as possible to play the latest COD or FIFA release. The fact that over half of the gamer base (60%) are mobile gamers should be enough to prove that most gamers are hardcore users who need state of the art technology or even inexpensive titles since mobile games cost users more in the long-run, not to mention the annual releases + battle passes of anything Activision and EA which are by far the most popular titles around.
Even in the current state of console gaming being stagnant, it not only offers the easiest plug-and-play method with minimal UI navigation to boot a game, but the experience itself is optimized too. Because consoles are uniform with minimal variations between them, devs have mastered down to a science the fine-tuning of titles on console for the best experience possible, whether it be in Performance Mode or Quality Mode. PC, on the other hand, has seemingly unlimited variations with all its different builds which devs have to account for by using the most common base level hardware (like 8GB RAM, Nvidia 10series graphics cards, etc) which can in turn make performance worse that the user themselves has to tweak in the graphics settings to run properly-and even then the game may still run like absolute cow manure due to poor optimization which is unfortunately common with PC ports (I’m looking at you, Dead Space Remake).
Even though I’m a PC gamer myself, I still own all three modern consoles because they each achieve something different for me. Game Pass for my Xbox (yes, I know it’s on PC too but the titles library is slimmed down) along with backwards compatibility of some of my favorite old games. PS5 is mostly to play with my group of friends who are all only on PS, for day one releases that I am too impatient to wait for ports of, for my entire PS4 library and for games I just want to own physically-yes, I’m that old. The Switch for, well, Nintendo (need I say more?).
My PC is more for single-player experiences where I want to have the best graphics possible without sacrificing performance, to play games in early access, and for emulation. But if I were hard-pressed to stick to one if money were an issue, hand-down I’d go for the PS5, maybe the Series X if I had less dignity.
All this to say, consoles are not going anywhere for the foreseeable future and are still a solid proposition for the normies (which are most gamers nowadays), no matter what Phil Spencer has to say about it.
For me the PS5 is the last console, I would rather give the gaming PC a big upgrade than spend 800 € (895 $ us) on a mid-generation console. The PS5 was conveniently compact for the living room, but costs/benefits are lost with the current pricing.
yeah one thing that doesn't come up in the PS5 Pro conversations too often is that for a very large chunk of the PS5's market, it's comparable in cost to a PC with better specs.
If PS5 is compact... 😅😅😅😅
The one big argument that i have for completly switching to pc gaming is the physicality of it all. I never have b4 and i dont ever think i will ever feel ownership over buying a digital copy of a game rather then a physical one. There is something very charming in being able to say i will own this game forever when u can hold it in your hands.
There really isn't a reason aside from sunk cost fallacies and blind brand loyatly. A "console' is literally just a budget PC that comes with a controller. There's zero reason to own one anymore.
This makes me sad since I've been a console gamer most of my life (my dad had a Colecovision and an NES when I was a gradeschooler and I literally grew up with a controller in my hands) but these days, if it's not on PC (or coming to PC soon-ish), I'm simply not interested. It's a real shame.
My only reason to continue using the PS5 is because I've already paid money for the PSVR2 and want to get good use out of it, when PC VR headsets lose their relevancy and support all too quickly.
Sell it and switch @@Cyberbrickmaster1986
@@Cyberbrickmaster1986the PSVR2 is literally losing support from Sony already :/
@@michaelangeloabarreto4588 But as long as I have games that support it, I can still use it, right?
@@Cyberbrickmaster1986 PSVR is PC compatible bro so it still has quite a bit of life in it lol older VR titles will probably always support it and hopefully newer releases will keep supporting it
ive been mostly a console gamer my whole life and finally decided to get a pc. i love being able to play older games at the highest settings or even using mods to tailor the experience to my liking. with consoles your stuck with however the developer left it. battlefield 5 got an xbox one x update which was good in 2018 but the series x should be able to run the game at higher settings but since the developers never updated it, it's stuck running the same version, leaving a lot of unused power. with my pc i can run that game at ultra settings, 1440p at around 140-180 fps.
For the same reasoning that I am going physical, you always own your games and I don’t know how people always get things misconstrued, but you can easily play most of the new games if not a lot without online connection if it’s not multiplayers based of course. With the plan I’m halfway through right now I’m getting Series X and have P5/XSS already, and all the games I like have physical copies that I already have in carts across different websites so I’ll have ownership of my own purchases regardless if PlayStation or Microsoft shuts down (or select games just because they can) in 4 years or so while avoiding this terrible yet inevitable nightmare of a future with straight everything digital and everyone is paying full price for licenses😐
With those physicals, it depends... some of them don't include the full game on the disc and instead act as a small key to download the game. Borderlands 3 recently did this to me on Xbox, and I was BEYOND disgusted about it. Games like System Shock remake have been really generous about what they gave us on the disc... they even waited until v1.2 came out, so all the patches and better SHODAN fight would be on the disc. You just gotta do a lot of research
@@aiodensghost8645 even with very little research done you can just take a look at knowing that you’re locked into whatever market place comes within that box. What I’m really trying to say is take any game that you want and then take it on physical and in price you will usually always have the physical going for 60% of what the digital after small amount of time and considering digital stays at full price because the company knows they can get away with it, at that point the ownership is just what we all need a bonus big flick of the bird back at the companies that charge $69.99 for 2k22 in the year 2024
@@aiodensghost8645this is why I look at doesitplay before buying modern physical releases.
That site tells how well the release is.
@@aiodensghost8645Better than to have your media provider go out of business and you loose all your games. Games are only mainstream rn give it sometime and people leave and your provider with go out of business but if you have the physical your golden Sega stoped making consoles years ago but you can still play their games
Sony is kinda showing hints that they don't want you to even buy physical games anymore with the new PS5 Pro coming out. It has no disk drive, so just imagine how the PS6 will be, they'll probably force you to buy every PS6 game digitally.
Thanks for putting this together. Funny you posted this, because not even a week ago I came to the same conclusion.
I've been mostly a console guy but over the summer I've spent more time on my older (1060 lol) computer and realizing that I want to go full pc and leave consoles behind. ESPECIALLY considering how wonderful an experience my steam deck has been.
pc is not all sunshine and rainbows. Ive proven this point before. might as well get a steam deck
Steam Deck is awesome
Neither is life but you pick the best you can lol
Consumers are flocking to PC because we realize if its digital anyways, might as well go with steam. Consoles especially xbox microsoft killed any future they had by canning discs. The switch does so well because you can collect the games and they are exclusives. Consoles are worse than PC now. All microsoft has to do is spend 50 million to make every single disc physical, but they wont do that because they are greedy.
I've given up on having hype for consoles since moving over to PC in 2020 (my spec is laughable for how much I realised I paid) I've never known freedom like it, I can get great deals on different stores, I can relive some of my favourite games from childhood/Teens via emulation and the fact I have a full blown PC too!
Console is still a way better value for your money than PC when it comes to gaming (And I mean only for gaming, that's the whole point of this argument). Build me a PC for $500 that would perform as well as a PS5 or Xbox Series X for a seven year period... you cant. Sure, PS5 Pro is not a very good deal since they didn't showcase any dedicated games that would utilize the hardware but saying PC is the definite better way to play video games just because a mid-gen refresh is "overpriced" is simply untrue.
no shit it cant because console ports are on a fundamental different level that run at 30 fps and shit ton of low and specific settings so it can actually run lol. also straight bs in general because a modest 1080p build will run 5+ years
@@mjesus850 brother the PS five run most games on 60 FPS with performance mode even the PS 5 creator was surprised by the fact that so we gained 60fps on so many games only a few actual exceptions like dragons dogma 2 only runs 30 even then that game is unoptimized especially on PC
I am really glad that I came across this video. I have been is this madding debate with myself about should I keep my pc and go back to my consoles or put the consoles back in their boxes and just enjoy my pc. I am tired of always having to google up solutions to problems on getting older games to work but ultimately I think I'll stay with my PC I like to know I can have games run at 60 frames and still look good.
PC's are for people who really know their stuff they're proper hobbyist grade. Consoles are more for the average Joe who just wants to plug a plastic box into a socket and it works and there are games made for that specific box that will work on it. They don't have to worry about what kind of graphics card they have or whatever. Though these mid-gen revision consoles are intended for the hardcore hobbyist who know all about PC gaming.
The problem is the box isn't as good as it used to be. Sure the box has better graphics now, but it lacks ease of use, discs are just for show, there's pop-ups all over the home menu trying to sell you something, useless features like raytracing; none of this was a problem as late as the PS3. Now you're just buying a crappy PC for the same price as a PC
@@kakizakichannel The old Steam Machines were a good bridge between PC and game consoles as you can set them up to boot into Big Picture mode automatically and just use it for gaming with a controller. You still have to set it up but the same applies to a modern game console they're not like a PS2 where you just put the disc in and turn it on.
Consoles still have the slight advantage that if you buy a game for a certain console it will work optimally for the hardware it was made for. Though now you have games being cross released across different console generations and they'll run at varying performance levels depending on your hardware, so it's getting closer to a PC than a PS2.
Great content, can't believe this is a small chanel keep up the good work!
As a series x owner my answer is P.C gaming is just more expensive.
Even with paying for online. Which i dont pay for. Maybe ill buy it for gta 6 or something like that.
But for the most part. A really capable gaming P.C is way more. I looked online recently and was shocked how much more. I live in canada and my series x was $600 when i bought it in cad$ and a P.C is like $1200-1600 and the online for xbox a year is like $70. If you want a really high end P.C it would be like $3-$6k which is like a used car.
A ps5 pro is like $960 and a series s is $380 which you can get a used one for even cheaper then that.
Edit: free to play games dont require to pay foe online. So you cpuld just straite up buy a series x and never buy a game if you want and play free to play games.
exactly, feel like bro just overlooks this when saying consoles more expensive...but not comparing it to how much pc is
I think the problem is that you're looking at PC the same way you look at a console.
The point of the PC is build something that caters to our needs. You don't care about 4K? You can get a GPU with less vram and save costs. You want an emulation machine? You just need a high end CPU. You want a system for competitive games like Valorant? You just need a 144Hz monitor and a somewhat decent GPU.
People seem to make the argument that for PC to be better than console, you need higher specs than the console which is a baseless argument. My PC can't do 4K but it runs everything from my Steam library and is an emulation beast which is exactly what I want it to do. It costed me 800 bucks last year. In the end, you also end up saving money on the games since they cost far less on Steam than on console.
Though, I guess if you want near max settings on the latest AAA games, it might still be cheaper to achieve this on console. Again, it depends entirely on what you want to do.
PC gaming is not more expensive, the cost of entry is but you save far more in the long run, and what you're talking about is building the most overkill high end PC possible which is not necessary whatsoever
@@cthubol6824 Consoles are more expensive dingus, all of your games are more expensive by far and you have to pay for online and on top of all of that your library is piss poor and tiny it's like a grain of sand versus a beach in comparison to the PC's gaming library
@Manic_Panic I play fornite ranked with graphics mode on lol
Not even the biggest streamers play fortnite with higher graphics. I'd definitely need a $13k P.C. or I can play fortnite in graphics mode on a $600 console with lower frames.
You certainly made very good points in the video. I'm almost 40 in a few years and I'm just not as much of a gamer as I use to be. I have the PS5 slim with disc, I have a Xbox Series X, and a Switch. But I'm just not that big of a gamer anymore. For a long while I was dead set on buying the PS5 Pro. Then I started to think maybe I should go PC, it should be cheaper down the line and that's certainly what you prove of in this video. However as I'm not that much of a gamer anymore and I play my systems only about an hour a day now, I just think it would be better to give up video games all together for me as it's just not as entertaining to me as it use to be when I was a kid. Sure, some games are fun, but I usually go back to the same games and don't play new games that much at all or even buy any of the new games in the past year of 2024 at all. So I was thinking about buying a gaming PC as said, and thought back oh but what about PS5 Pro? But overall I gotta think about other things anyway because gaming just isn't that big of a thing for me anymore anyway. So I'm thinking more about movies and life and just getting to know more people.
So I can play something in the living room on my 65” TV. Planning on buying a ps5 slim 😊
I buy a console so I can lay on bed while playing.
You can do that with the ROG Ally to. Or the Steam Deck if you prefer that.
I'm doing it with my PC
Been asking the same question since the xbox one,ps4 and switch generation. Consoles slowly became inferior overhyped pcs for people who dont know better but refuse to even try to know better as if it was rocket science,it isnt,theres always a person or more in everyones circle of friends willingly and most of times excited to teach anyone how to build a pc or at the very least help making the choices to buy one according to the desired expectations,take it from me,a middle class worker who grew up with the nes and realized where everything was heading,my pc didnt cost me a fortune and its pretty standar (some tryhards could argue is below average) and my only regret is not being able to get one sooner,but its been 3 amazing years never feeling like im missing out anything for not having a console.
Pc is a better investment in the long rung in all aspects,its worth every single penny,better deals in games,better accesibility,better options,it dosnt become completely obsolete after 5 years,has access to mods and if you are on a budget you can even play the games for free matey.
tbh the idea that pc gaming is more expensive than console is a myth. Ive had the same $700 pc since 2015. which i got for work. and it's totally OK for like... 90 percent of games. the fact that i could play games on something I already owned was the main reason i even got back into the hobby to begin with. even if you have a 200 dollar crusty laptop . you can still find very great fun games to play. esp indie titles. or emulate old ones.
compare that to the switch. which is the cheapest console. and only has one game I want to play thats exclusive. (botw) it is stonkingly bad value.
Exactly, that's the value preposition argument which most console preferring people miss or rather misrepresent. If one prefers console then that's fine but they should learn to acknowledge the argument one is making.
I'll put my PC Specs here as a reference to my comment:
CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (using the stock cooler)
MoBo - Asus Tuf Gaming a520m-plus Micro ATX board
RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB 3200mhz CL16 16gb (2×8gb)
Storage- TEAMGROUP 512GB M.2 NVME
Graphics Card - AMD Radeon RX6600
Power Supply - Thermaltake Smart 600W
Case - Antec NX200M Micro ATX Case
The total of my PC all together is around $500-$550, not including tax. Is it the best PC there is on the market, no not even the slightest, BUT it does what I need it to do, it plays games that I like and it doesn't make me use a monthly subscription to play online.
Hey the switch is dope
If you buy an used PS5 or an Xbox Series X for $350. It's a great deal. I bought my Series X at that price.
I bought an N64 a few minutes a few months ago and couldn’t be more happy with it. No loading and no internet required.
There’s no doubt PC is better. But no one needs the best. Sometimes it’s just what fulfils you. You can cry in an expensive cinema, and you can cry watching on a small iPhone.
I’m a lifelong PC gamer. Upgrade every year, ran guilds, modded and more. But Im older now. I don’t want to sit on a desk anymore after work. I rather kick back play my story games on my soft sofa with a cold drink.
It’s also more social with family. Instead of having the kids each on a PC.
To me the perfect experience world be a console with PC ecosystem. Like SteamOS. Minimum 60 fps. Ideally 120 fps.
The components to make a TV console at the moment is not cost effective. Not as sleek as a console either.
Nothing is stopping you from connecting your PC to the TV, having Steam Big Picture boot on startup, and pairing a controller to it…
you can literally hook the pc to your TV, this comment is nonsensical and address almost none of what was in the video
I also think that another problem was always overlooked. It could be general space in houses/rooms cuz PC can take some spaces and what if it doesn't fit? You'll have to think of what you can approach it with and I doubt it can be there without compromising other spaces if the area is small or just not favorable. I'd say the Steam Deck is a good alternative if space is an issue.
I still like consoles for their ease of use on TV - games just work, it is possible with a PC but it's not as simple
It's just as simple with a PC. You do realize a console is a computer right? It ain't hard and has even more options to hook to a TV than the console does.
I've been concentrating on playing old games from 10-30 years ago that I either missed or just still love playing. SNES, GBA, GameCube, XBox 360-- those are my most played consoles. When they're HDMI modded and run through an upscaler like the RetroTink4K, they still look gorgeous. I haven't played a "new" game since Resident Evil 7.
I am planning on getting an XBox Series X though, mainly for the upgrades on 360 games, but also to catch up on cool sounding newer games like Control or Alan Wake 2 or the new Resident Evil games.
Ive bearly had a slim for almost 1 year i can wait another 5-6 years for an upgrade.
Fun fact, it is not a slim. It use the same amount of power and the chip is as big as the fat one. They just refined the design to waste less space.
Slim consoles use a less power hungry, smaller chip to make them tiny consoles.
In fact, the reason why the pro is so expensive is because there is no way to build a real slim yet.
I'm just into Handheld Gaming PCs now
- GOG, Steam, Emulation, Mods, BEST backwards compatibility, well worth the investment.
Some are powerful enough to double as a desktop PC as well.
Pc gamers saying consoles are expensive is crazy to me ask him how much his pc cost. LMAO!
To be honest they are getting pretty expensive,m especially when you realize you have to pay for online on top of your internet bill.
I have had the same PC with a couple of upgrades for more than 10 years, and I can run whatever I want. PS1 onwards with few exceptions. People will need to purchase a PS5 PRO just to play in the same level as my pc. And my PC is not even high end.
I'm not even trying to convince anyone, games are literally developed on PCs..
AAA games are not only more expensive to make, but also are taking 1.5-2 times as long to develop compared to previous generations. This leads to devs not wanting to take as many risks and you end up seeing lots of uninspired designed-by-committee AAA games nowadays. If any of you think games “suck” nowadays. I implore you to look towards indie and AA games. There are endless amounts of unique genuinely inspiring creative games out there releasing every month
Had ps1 to 3 to n64 to wiiu, the moment online start to be a paywall i switch to pc and console was done except Nintendo for the greats solo games
Because the ps5 slim I bought was worth just as much as the 4060 ti on its own.
The fact it can play modern games at all is a huge plus to me, and since I play mostly singleplayer games now-adays Ps plus really isn't a big deal to me.
Welcome to the world of pc prices.
A PC will cost triple the price of a ps5 to be on the same level. Plus, there are console exclusives I'd prefer to play as soon as they come out and not have to wait 3 years for it to come to PC
A PS 6 is going to be a really difficult sell, IMO.
With basically every major game being ported to PC, there's not much of a point in buying a console. Also with the state of owning media, I've been more inclined to go to the retro market where there's also a bunch of great mods to keep the games alive and fresh.
Nowadays a Nintendo console and a PC are the only things worth buying.
Honestly, aside from console exclusive games, when I buy a console, I know it's made to play the games I buy. I have had 3 gaming laptops (not everybody have space for desktops), and while my current one seems to be promising, I had to know the games could work and optimize my computer (turnign things on and off, in case I'm using the wrong word) to make them play better. Only played 2 that worked well, games that came out 3-4 years before the gaming laptop I got. Only until I find a space for desktops will I try to buy a gaming desktop. I live nowhere that sells PC parts to build one and I don't trust delivery services.
Yes, PC is better if you want the best gaming experience, but it's also expensive. $700-800 is the cost of the PS Pro, which is ridiculous if they don't adapt PC features like M/K and single player mod support. My laptop was also $800 and so far can play one game, but PC is also made for doing a lot of other things as well. If a PC was made as a "gaming only" platform, I'd assume it would cost about $400-$600.
Most people on PC don't really brag about their rigs, all of my friends and every PC gamer I've ever met have never bragged about it even once, I haven't either as much as I love my rig I think bragging is just cringe
I've only ever seen that when they get new parts and are excited to try them. It's not about showing off, but just getting excited.
@@seaweeb2258 Absolutely I know exactly what you mean I act the same way lol
Laugh in 4090
Most are in competition on who has the jankest setup.
The only thing I brag about is having a herd of tiny porcelain cows grazing atop my gpu.
It as been 7 years since I switched from console to pc , and I don’t regret it because I have so many options and stuff I can do to fix
But gaming ready PCs are also expensive... I don't know that there is a cost benefit to PC argument. Only reason I went PC when I saw games having performance hindered on console.
Destiny is perfect example of this... 60 fps capable consoles yet Bungie purposely left it 30 fps.
Of course there's a cost benefit to PCs. You're only looking at the initial cost, but you should be looking at cost over the lifetime of the device. How much are you paying every year to play online on a console? How much are you paying for games on console, especially if you got one that's digital only and thus rarely has good sales? All of that ads up. PC costs more up front but then saves money long term.
@@mjc0961 but initial cost is huge now. 2-3k PC vs $500-$700 console.
PC has multi-purposes like work and play vs consoles is just play.
Additionally it's control over hardware. Examples are COD games during Xbox to Xbox One. Digital Games had 1 year to upgrade consoles or you lose digital right to game.
I was one of those who upgraded consoles 2-3 yrs later and I did lose my digital copy to some Cod games. I never gave another dollar to Activision after that.
Then look at Destiny 2... Locked to 30 fps on 60fps capable consoles. Make that make sense.
That is why PC makes sense. Upgrade PC... Never lose my games. Games are not limited by the game company.
I don't see cost benefit... Only control over hardware as my argument.
@@TheLitman722-3k pc? Maybe if you want the Lamborghini of pc’s but an entry level pc that’s costs a few hundred runs 90 percent of games just fine. It is insane that in 2024 people believe this shit.
@@mjc0961 why dont you actually do the analysis instead of see scary number that others lied about. 1080p gaming and 60-120fps, $1000 maximum investment.
@@TheLitman72 listen, a 9th gen Console Killer is Around $600-900 which
I mostly play on Nintendo, despite the fact I use my PC to make my own little games and mod older games...
The thing for me is that continuously upgrading my PC just feels like a stresser... and I am not exactly going hungry on Switch. If anything I really don't need a bigger backlog.
I got a PS5 Digital recently. Platinumed Stellar Blade and Astro's Playroom on it, then found out... it has no games I wanna play. I did wanna play Demon's Souls but I'm not down with that half hp on death BS. So I returned it and got a Steam Deck instead. I had already played everything I wanted to play on PS4, and PS5 didn't have anything really new that I wanted to play. And it's so EXPENSIVE on console. Why would I buy FF16 for 70 bucks AND the DLC for an additional 25 when I could get the frieakin full game and DLC for 61 dollars on a key reseller site? And Black Myth: Wukong for 20 dollars cheaper on PC AND still play it with a dualshock controller on PC, so I'm still "playing it on PS5" lmao
Consoles are a joke. The only worthwhile console is the Switch and even then you can emulate it on PC, so it doesn't really matter. Xbox's games are ALL on PC. There is no reason to buy a console. PC gaming is NOT a costly hobby in the long run.
@@SetariM buy used physical copies for 70% off
I love emulators but you're still not getting the best experience playing Switch games on emulator. It'll get their eventually but there are still problems.
Consols are not a joke
Does any one remember in the late 90s I think 97/98 the commercial for the PS9 that whole commercial was awesome I was mesmerized. Now I am a gamer who has just about every console because I followed the games & devs instead and I also have a few PCs (Win 7 ult 64bit and Xp Pro-Black OS & an old 1985 IVM MSDOS/Windows 3.1 loved my MS dos games 🙃) As the years went by I kept waiting for the day that PS9 would happen/come out 😅😂😮 and when PS2 & PS3 came out I thought it was headed in the right direction but then when PS4 & XBOX ONE first came out, I then realized gaming was on its last good years Especially with no backwards Compatibility. I did get both systems but only got the Xbox one when Quantum Break console bundle came out. Only have about 5 or 6 games for my X ONE (none of them are shooters) & 150+ for PS4. There are still quite a few games for both consoles I want but it's harder and harder to find them. I won't even bother with any new consoles from now on or PC stuff since it seems like PC parts just become obsolete after 3-6months. There's only thing left Corporate Greed, Coruption, Planned Obsolescence, No Backwards compatibility for every console game that came before, The Removal of All physical Media & Devs too scared or not being allowed to make NEW Original great games with the same Magic they once had from 90s & early 00s without being afraid of getting shut down. The Gaming Magic is just dead and now its time to scavenge all the old consoles, games, wacky accessories Mod them and anything that can be played offline and with a player 2 sitting next to me or a group having a Lan Party is gonna be best options now. I just can't trust any of the companies anymore.