Natalia Grace #20 - (Drugged) - Therapist Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Dr. Kirk Honda reacts to the documentary about Natalia Grace. Includes clips from The Curious Case of Natalia Grace.
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Hearing Dr Honda saying “you fucking idiot” just made my whole week
I know exactly what you mean! 😂
I love when he swears 😂
Me too I had to double take that I hadn't imagined it. He's officially reached the point that a lot of us got to as well with Michael and Christine
😂😂😂
Yes! ❤
Seeing the real picture of Natalia flash across the screen was heart breaking. She so clearly looks like a child, I can not fathom that any of these people recounting the stories about her truly believed she was 22 at that time.
I know right??????
She could pass as 22… especially with her height. Some ppl have baby faces.
The thing is, to think that she is a small child, you would have to believe that a small child actually got herself her own apartment next to yours. Your neighbor is a lone 8-year old.
Who would've ever considered that an actual possibility before this story came out?
Natalia didn’t have adopting family’s in Ukraine! Her mother left her, she was in orphanage in Ukraine and then she was adopted by American family and moved to USA.
Her birth certificate is completely legit, I have similar one, I’m Ukrainian, I don’t understand why everybody just assumed it’s fake.
All her birth data also can be easily verified by Civil Registry Office in Ukraine. Why you just assume this data can be faked so easily by girl from orphanage? Or you think people live in Ukraine like in some kind of forest without civilization and government institutions? Think what happened if you will lose you birth certificate here in US, you will just need to go to records office and ask for duplicate. The same process in Ukraine! USA is not the only one civilized country in the world that has government institutions!
Natalia wouldn’t have all of this happened to her if judge and people that made this movie knew that civilizations exists outside the US and just ask Ukrainian Civil registry office for data verification from her birth certificate.
I feel a little like someone was paid off along the way for them to get away with this. Like you said if you use your brain their story is not believable.
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I never believed it was fake from the start. I don't even know why people are so confused about the story. She was born. Her mother gave her up at hospital and she went to an orphanage and was adopted by a couple in the US around 3 or 4 which is why she couldn't speak Ukrainian or Russian when she was adopted by the Barnett's. It's not that complicated and I agree with you 100 % on people acting like doesn't have institutions like every other country. It's ridiculous.
She was 8😢😢😢😢how could Natalia know to report it!
These "grown ups" around her could not be trusted 😢😢😢 they lacked any and all understanding of this child!!! I felt so bad for this child, I couldn't watch anything about it...😢adults failed me as well❤❤❤
Insane that old bat blamed her for not reporting it!!! Shame on her
I can’t believe those people and that ignorant, stupid, incompetent judge never face any charges for doing this to this child.
Corruption
Judges have a type of qualified immunity, similar to police officers
This is why it’s so important to vote in local and state elections.
Circuit court judges have insane amounts of power, mostly unchecked, with nearly zero accountability. And their terms are usually pretty long. These people have so much power and often destroy lives.
The system assumes that moral people will be voted into these positions.
Even with access to public records there is generally no way for the public to even know about half the things judges do without already being aware of a ruling in the first place and knowing what to request, have transcribed, pay for.
I think if people really understood some of these things, they might get more involved in voting and civic anything
Edit. Good thing you went back and watched again.
I have to chime in here and set the record straight, because I was a former medic, and I think this is an important part of the documentary. What Natalia is saying is that she had already taken her medication. She told Kristine she had taken in earlier in the day. (This med is probably a once a day med by the way). Kristine forced her to take it again. So Natalia, not knowing any better did. I mean what 8 year old wouldn't, right? Kristine turned her back while she took it (intentionally and sadistically wouldn't surprise me). Then Kristine turns around and accuses her of not taking the medication. Like spitting it out somewhere, and makes her take another pill, right then and there. Someone of Natalia's size- this is very dangerous. So this was the way it was actually framed, and this could very likely be true, because everything Kristine has done to this child up to the point is psychotic and evil in my opinion. I am very moved to believe Natalia, because the way she describes it and her reaction, seems quite legitimate. These were psyche meds by the way. I do not remember if they specified what med it was, but regarding someone Natalia's size, even taking too many Tylenol can cause seriously harm to her much quicker and extensively than a normal sized child or adult.
Also the pill incident happened at the apartment. It was after she was sent to the hospital and most likely got put on inappropriate meds, and after she was dropped off at the apartment. She explained how Kristine came over to the apartment and was annoyed that Natalia was sleeping/still in bed. Natalia has already taken the medication that day and it makes her sleepy and groggy. Natalia does not know that, but Kristine was not stupid enough not to comprehend that. This is why I feel like Kristine most likely knew what she was doing that child. She may have been angry she was stuck with being responsible for her.
It’s just awful everything that she went through. I just can’t imagine leaving an 8 year old alone in an apartment, it’s amazing that she’s still alive. And I still can’t believe that the judge just changed her age without seeing a variety of medical records including from a dentist, and other evidence, it’s just crazy.
Agree and the poor girl is handicapped I mean, suppose she fell attempting to get in the tub or someting- a similar thisng happened to the handsome movie star, Willam Holden- no one was in his home with him at the time he was drinking- he slipped and hit his head /temple on the edge of his bedroom end table and he bled to death- so sad. and he was NOT handicapped!
I do recall them saying she had all her adult teeth, and that was part of what convinced them and the judge that she was an adult. Not justifying what the judge did at all; just mentioning the adult teeth because you said the judge should have seen dental records and he likely did.
@@dorothy6361 not sure if you have watched this series but they spoke to the dentist and he had done a rough age on her, she was certainly a child and that info wasn’t submitted to the court. There was also photos of her during the time she lived with them with a tooth missing as she was starting to lose her baby teeth. Dr Honda doesn’t show all the parts of the show so I watched it myself between his reactions, it was certainly obvious she was a child
Another way Christine was able to "re-age" Natalia was by pulling her out of school to home school for a time before dumping her in the apartment. Many states allow parents to home school with little or no oversight. Home schooling made sure that the elementary school that Natalia went to for first grade didn't check for truancy. There are parent rights, of course, and nothing inherently wrong with home schooling. But not all parents do what most of us think of as good parenting. All children belong to all of us, and governments need to monitor kids more than they do now
I think with that older lady, she wasn't necessarily saying, 'oh well, he's just a dirty old man. Men will be men.' I think it was more that she grew up in a time (still is ) when men were simply not prosecuted for things like that. As in, "oh here's another one. What can you do about it?"
I think that was the point he was making. Or that’s how I interpreted it!
@@haileyoslund oh good.
The “And would have reported it” is such a tragic statement. Beyond being wildly insufficient to prove innocence, but it is the same bullsh*t argument that’s used to invalidate sexual abuse reporting when the victim does not immediate report a crime. Let’s pretend that Nathalie knew to report the crime, did it not happen because she did not report it at the time? Obviously the time delay is irrelevant when disclosing trauma. People talk when they are ready.
Now, Nathalia was a child… how can she be expected to know what the right response is in every situation? It doesn’t sound like she had parents to teach her AND she was taken out of school. How should she have learned what to do in those situations? Inherently?
I’m a mom and two of my teenagers are on meds after years of me trying to get them through without meds. When I don’t know if they’ve taken their meds or not, I just assume they did and deal with the fallout if we’ve actually skipped a day. I would never medicate my kids again if I thought they might have already taken them. That’s awful.
It’s not only leaving her alone in an apartment. It’s the disabilities she has. She needed help. Her adoptive parents should be put in jail.
Kirk, please reconsider partnering with Betterhealth given how problematic and unethical that company is. Please don't promote harming the public.
Seeing Kirk's opinions on this case change as he watches the documentaries is evidence of how situations can be easily distorted to portray a certain narrative. The Michael and Kristine had the world fooled with their dramatic tall tales.
That’s an example of sexual grooming, sure. However there are other types of grooming, as well
Yes, Kirk mentioned that
This is a hard episode for me to watch, my kid has a disability and requires meds to live (death due to szrs in USA-50,000) and I absolutely have been and am obsessed with his meds, genes, symptoms, side effects, I could go on. And everything I've done to keep him safe, and alert, and to fight for his education. I'm feeling so much anger towards those parents that don't have to worry every day that today's szr may be the one that kills them but they stuff meds down their kids throats to make them "act right"
Dr. Honda you should analyze the current season of Summer House on Bravo!!! Especially the 2 main couples on the show
i think there was definitely bias because she was a dwarf. i also feel like that old lady is a story teller and gossip with the other old gossips in the place.
I was just thinking that oh, he has a percentage for that too 😅.
They should have just given her up. Sometimes it’s just not a good fit. And ppl shouldn’t feel bad about it. Is it horrible yeah, but at least it gives the child a chance.
Hi
Please do a video on the Gaza war and/or the protests in the US
It would be interesting, also incredibly tragic, to hear psychological affects for children and adults forced to endure long term subjugation and frequent bombings. Not sure what can be said about protesters besides empathy?
First comet
Big bang
Cold dead center of the universe
Like Haley’s comet?
Meteor
Her bragging about having sex and having sexual urges at 8 is the part that’s throwing me off.
I think it’s a lie tbh. Either that or a wild exaggeration.
Did they hear her say it or hear from someone that she said it?
@@Mama_Bear524 Several different people have said it though.
@@MoonWomanStudios The workers at the mental hospital said she was propositioning the men for sex. A woman said she watched her put her hands down a boys pants. And another neighbor said she was bragging about her sexual encounters when living at the apartments
It can be normal for a child or adult that has experienced sexual abuse.