Natalia Grace #23 - (Lies upon lies) - Therapist Reacts

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  • Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
  • Dr. Kirk Honda reacts to the documentary about Natalia Grace. Includes clips from The Curious Case of Natalia Grace.
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Комментарии • 79

  • @amigadecachorros
    @amigadecachorros Месяц назад +92

    He is dressed like he’s coming to our 1988 class to tell six year olds to say no to drugs.

  • @Indigenousinsight
    @Indigenousinsight Месяц назад +39

    Michael will go to all lengths to not be the “bad guy” except do the right thing. He’s a coward. He’s is responsible, just as much as she is. How can you sit back and watch a kid be abused and you don’t do anything because you don’t want the abuse to turn to you, and you are a grown ass man!

  • @tmtb80
    @tmtb80 Месяц назад +47

    This guy comes across like the stereotype of a used car salesman.

    • @MzMcqueen678
      @MzMcqueen678 Месяц назад +3

      that's how I felt the entire time.

    • @andreakarlsson7927
      @andreakarlsson7927 Месяц назад +4

      He is a real weirdo. I fel like this is more the real him and in the 1st season he put on some kind of act. Strangely a lot of the adults around her seem very theatrical and odd.

  • @MoonWomanStudios
    @MoonWomanStudios Месяц назад +26

    This is hard to watch. I have a son with a disability. I have been called an angel, a saint, amazing, that my crown in heaven is full of jewels. I always think "fk you, i dont have to be a saint to love my son". There is a tyoe of person that will give a lot of attention if you want it for being a parent to a disabled child. It's gross.

    • @elzzz2000
      @elzzz2000 Месяц назад +9

      This is an experience my boyfriend gets for being in a relationship with me. That he's a saint for being with a disabled person 😒 I'm a wheelchair user and I really don't get it, I'm literally just sitting down, it's so ridiculous

    • @Mama_Bear524
      @Mama_Bear524 Месяц назад +4

      That’s so weird. You’re just a normal mom! You love your son who is EASY to love! What they’re saying makes it sound like he’s hard to love. Annoying.

    • @zipbangcrash
      @zipbangcrash 22 дня назад

      ​@@elzzz2000aye aye aye... People can be ridiculous. 😑

  • @Kwd123
    @Kwd123 Месяц назад +36

    The way he calls her ‘evil’ instead of her name, seems so immature and ridiculous to me. I’m so glad Dr. Kirk is reacting to this because I’ve been so confused about this guy and I have zero theories.

    • @andreakarlsson7927
      @andreakarlsson7927 Месяц назад +7

      Everything I have seen of him he seems very, very immature and almost childlike. Like a child pretending to be an adult.

  • @mariel.2755
    @mariel.2755 Месяц назад +29

    I am so glad you covered this documentary, through all your explanations I feel like I have a much clearer picture of narcissistic personality disorder versus histrionic and how they relate to each other which I think is quite hard to understand just from books and articles. Lot's of love and appreciation from the Netherlands!

    • @laceyunderall22
      @laceyunderall22 Месяц назад +1

      Well said. I agree that textbook explanations, regardless of how well written they might be, are best understood with the supplementation of a “case study” like this. I do know that this extended exercise is not a true case study as a clinician in the field of Psychology would conceptualize the term, but it is still a great teaching tool, IMO.

  • @user-pp3gn9iv4u
    @user-pp3gn9iv4u Месяц назад +14

    I just realized that there has not been any mention of the Barnett's extended family! Why didn't Natalia have interactions with grandparents / aunts/ uncles from either side? If she were my grandchild, I would have wanted to be with her regularly, protect and love her

    • @lavendermoon321
      @lavendermoon321 Месяц назад +2

      In the first few episodes there were interview scenes with some of Michael’s extended family just backing his story up. It is strange we haven’t heard from anyone else though

  • @cybellebesier8810
    @cybellebesier8810 Месяц назад +41

    He acts super odd. I can hardly watch or listen to him.

    • @Mama_Bear524
      @Mama_Bear524 Месяц назад +4

      He’s so off putting

    • @chocolatecat198
      @chocolatecat198 Месяц назад +4

      Same. I find it very irritating and distracting. Not wanting to hate or judge, but he seems so defensive and not acknowledging his own problems

    • @larrywakeman4371
      @larrywakeman4371 29 дней назад +1

      Cannot stomach it. Sickening.

  • @Garrett_the_Greyhound
    @Garrett_the_Greyhound Месяц назад +25

    Yay! I just watched your interview on Popcorned Planet on your thoughts about the Piers interview with the “real” Martha on Baby Reindeer. Well done! Hope you gain more followers from that!

    • @DrammensterapeuteneAS
      @DrammensterapeuteneAS Месяц назад

      Thank you!!🎉🎉

    • @laceyunderall22
      @laceyunderall22 Месяц назад +1

      Thanks for the heads up on that. I will head over to that channel and give that conversation a look/listen. I do not care for the style of Piers Morgan, so I avoid his videos. But Dr. Honda’s insightful, bombast-free commentary on the interview between PM and the Scottish woman in question?Yes, please!

    • @PsychologyInSeattle
      @PsychologyInSeattle  25 дней назад

      Thanks!

  • @user-pp3gn9iv4u
    @user-pp3gn9iv4u Месяц назад +6

    1. Christine couldn't claim credit for Natalia's successes if she was doing well in school 2. Christine had to hide her from educational professionals to be able to "re-age" her since they could see she was acting age appropriate. 3. Christine had to hid Natalia's bruises.

  • @AurorasWindow
    @AurorasWindow Месяц назад +21

    19:01 Kirk, as a neurodivergent parent of a neurodivergent kid I can tell you that kids can have ADHD and not showing it in every context. My child (as I do) heavily masks at school, he’s a great student, responsible, not a problem kid. He gets home after masking all day and is completely unregulated, can focus anymore, etc. This is common with certain neurodivergent kids.

    • @bonkette
      @bonkette Месяц назад +4

      I agree. My child (ADHD, ODD, APD, and autism) masks all day and becomes highly unregulated when they get home. Even with an IEP that calls out many accommodations, they struggle conforming outside the safety of our home.

    • @hayleyquinnx94
      @hayleyquinnx94 Месяц назад +4

      I agree also, it's a common thing that ADHD kids are frequently reported as being more symptomatic in certain scenarios. One example with autistic kids too can be that they're well behaved at school but very emotionally volatile at home and this is often because they've spent all their energy trying to focus and cope at school and have nothing left when they come home. It can also be the other way around where they're very well behaved at home but at school just cannot sit still and focus and are labelled naughty because of it. ADHD is incredibly variable and doesn't demonstrate in every environment

    • @shewho333
      @shewho333 29 дней назад +1

      I have three neurodivergent kids and I’m late diagnosis ND. I can back this up 💯. The only reason I didn’t have melt downs after school as a kid is because the most dangerous place for me to stop masking was home.

    • @bonkette
      @bonkette 29 дней назад

      @@shewho333 I am so sorry.

    • @RuxyMachal
      @RuxyMachal 28 дней назад

      Do you mind sharing vaguely what kind of neurodivergence he has? This 100% describes my child. Nothing but praise from his teachers, but as soon as he gets home he turns into a Disney villain, the homework is often tear stained and he screams and rages through it even if he is very bright. He’s also touchy(physically) and very particular about things. His pediatrician said that if it’s not a problem at school, then it’s not really a problem (I’m the problem is what I heard 😅).

  • @maylagesse
    @maylagesse Месяц назад +6

    This guy makes me so uncomfortable. Everything about him is setting off every alarm bell in my head.
    Not up to date on this situation but my gut says bad news bears.

  • @kayem4189
    @kayem4189 Месяц назад +3

    Yay, I have been waiting since episode 1 for that reaction at 17:46!

  • @VickyG212
    @VickyG212 29 дней назад +1

    It's really sad how he seems only interested in defending himself and doesnt seem to take inti account her pain. I wish she found people who can truly be there for her.

  • @SuperARCANGEL0
    @SuperARCANGEL0 Месяц назад +6

    I only watched the first episodes that Dr. Honda released about this, and now this looks crazy

  • @Gokce-Aysun
    @Gokce-Aysun Месяц назад +4

    Oh yes... Homeschooling is not easy. I have a Dyslexic child that I started homeschooling because he was continuing to fall way behind. Then my youngest joined him because it was easier for us with already so much to do. My state is home school friendly, but the public schools are poorly funded and they do not have adequate classrooms or special education teachers. If they did, I would definitely have my child in public school. Not that my child frustrates me, because I am patient with him- but it takes a huge chunk out of the day that could be used doing other things. Like grocery shopping, cleaning the house more, working in the yard, even working more at my translating job. Since I started homeschooling, I have used grocery delivery almost all the time now, and stopped gardening as much. I do use the gardening as biology class time, but it's still not enough to tend it how I was before homeschooling. But the bright side is that my Dyslexic child made a lot of progress, and now reads and writes. So... I would say it was worth it for us. Socializing is harder. We have to take them to pools and parks a lot more than most people and try to make friends with other home schooled children, which in my state, a lot of them are very religious and do not share our beliefs and are always trying to push their beliefs on others. So, it's kind of challenging lol.

  • @RuxyMachal
    @RuxyMachal 28 дней назад +1

    Michael just told you with his own mouth why he didn’t step up for this child and why he didn’t do his job as a father. He didn’t want to adopt her at all, his wife forced him. So that way he had a way out and now he’s spinning it in his head because otherwise he wouldn’t be able to live with what he did.

  • @amaebarnes
    @amaebarnes 21 день назад +1

    This is the first time I've realized that Dr. Honda has kids!

  • @itskaybe6348
    @itskaybe6348 28 дней назад +1

    Natalie's body language in the beginning a says it all.

  • @Nunyaaaaaaas
    @Nunyaaaaaaas Месяц назад +4

    Dr hondas shock when the teachers were on record too 🤣😭

    • @sarahw7616
      @sarahw7616 Месяц назад +2

      I'm sure very validating for Natalie.
      All the crazy making by the "parents"... terrible people. 😤

  • @DanielleMarieW
    @DanielleMarieW 23 дня назад

    Your commentary is super enlightening and really makes me mourn for Natalia, as well as her stepbrothers, as in the Barnetts’ biological kids… I keep thinking about the boy who had to pee on her bed. I wonder how they are doing, they might be suffering nearly as much as Natalia. Perhaps even more? I am floored that we saw such an evil side to Natalia and she clearly isn’t that way.

  • @ezzb
    @ezzb 6 дней назад

    The lawyer is lying. She didn't had "complaints at every stop." The little people who wanted to adopt Natalia said she was a great kid. The third couple, the ones with a daughter, apparently fostered her for a while and only said good things. Same whit the lady who's a teacher. The second couple were weird out by the Cciacones and the money they asked. Not that a child who went through so much wouldn't present issues. But is just not true that every place and everyone had bad things to say about her.

  • @lilfiery0ne
    @lilfiery0ne 28 дней назад +1

    Christine had to pull her out of school... for that very reasons plus one other reason ..teachers are objective observers, what they would have said and did say wouldn't have fit Christine's narrative...and if you are going to re-age a child .. who would be the biggest opposition to that claim of Natalia being 2o years old then the teachers who spent 6-7 hours with her 5 days a week.

  • @theorizzinal
    @theorizzinal 28 дней назад +1

    It sounds like he’s saying there was a 6 month period that Natalia was living with them where the Chacones were still legally her parents? Doesn’t it?

  • @larrywakeman4371
    @larrywakeman4371 29 дней назад +2

    WHY in the older interviews with the wife: all spiffed up in a suit, now in some '7 year old' boy clothes and sneakers?? and backward hat like George Costanza imitating his pal, Tony!!!

  • @annekenney6914
    @annekenney6914 Месяц назад +1

    Was Michael in the teacher conference? That would show that he is a liar, as well.

  • @carawestgate
    @carawestgate Месяц назад +2

    I clicked so hard on this I made a "tap" sound on my phone 😅

  • @user-hl1ip7if9r
    @user-hl1ip7if9r 29 дней назад +1

    He acts like to adopt BOTH dont parents needs to promise they BOTH want to adopt

  • @Suzanne4415
    @Suzanne4415 15 дней назад

    20:00 ish - is that actually true of 6 year old machiavellans? I feel like keeping it together "the first few months" would mean playing a VERY long time for a six year old.

  • @sunnyscott4876
    @sunnyscott4876 27 дней назад +1

    I guess I'm old too because I prefer Munchausen by Proxy. It just sounds better.

  • @Js-kh7it
    @Js-kh7it Месяц назад +1

    Christine belongs in jail!

  • @hi-leehi-lohi-la9276
    @hi-leehi-lohi-la9276 Месяц назад +4

    Is Christine incarcerated?

    • @user-pp3gn9iv4u
      @user-pp3gn9iv4u Месяц назад +1

      No! She is still in Canada and blogging to her followers!

    • @lavendermoon321
      @lavendermoon321 Месяц назад

      I don’t understand why her trail didn’t happen. There was no real mention of why in the doc either. She deserves to have her time in court

    • @Mama_Bear524
      @Mama_Bear524 Месяц назад

      She’s not. And I think she comments in the subreddit about this.

  • @annekenney6914
    @annekenney6914 Месяц назад

    Oh, you hit on something important, that you will see at the end of the documentary. Keep watching.

  • @ineshilz
    @ineshilz Месяц назад +3

    I kinda like how he talks here, I can imagine it works great with kids .. not a grown woman tho .. that ruins it for me :|

    • @sarahw7616
      @sarahw7616 Месяц назад +2

      Exactly. Kids don't understand what's going on

  • @kat_likemeow
    @kat_likemeow Месяц назад +11

    Please, what is he wearing here 💀

    • @sarahw7616
      @sarahw7616 Месяц назад +2

      😂

    • @MoonWomanStudios
      @MoonWomanStudios Месяц назад

      Apparently it's a reference to fight club?

    • @katella
      @katella Месяц назад

      I don't understand why so many American men dress like toddlers.

    • @lavendermoon321
      @lavendermoon321 Месяц назад +1

      I think he did it to come off as younger and appear more relatable to her 🙄

    • @lNoWayAroundItl
      @lNoWayAroundItl Месяц назад +5

      “How do you do, fellow kids?”

  • @alexandrabrill4060
    @alexandrabrill4060 8 дней назад

    He is so weird. When he talks about his wife wanting her 15 minutes of fame is comical. Dude it’s only you that keeps popping up at every option to get on TV😂. He acts like a cocaine user!

  • @H000REI
    @H000REI 29 дней назад +1

    The way this man.. Michael*?* speaks is an insult to everyone's intelligence