Trouble on the Road to Appleby Horse Fair 2024
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I have seen travelers in Worcestershire for many years now there are always in Redditch roundabout at Christmas every year they never leave rubbish around and when I worked for Redditch council and I used to give them bags for there rubbish and it was always bagged up and the land was tidy the horses kept the grass down they don't cause any trouble it's other types of travellers in caravans who make the trouble and everybody else gets treated bad and it's a really a shame I always slow down and give room to anybody with horses
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I travelled on my own in a caravan and I got tarred with that brush, I've swapped it for a boat, less stigma, but when I get my horse back I'm getting a wagon n F you all😂
I just love the old traveller's caravans they look good n such n lovely shape n paintings on them n I glad that they r still using them today n hopefully for centuries to come. Lovely way of life ✌
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They don't live like this.
As my old Mum would say "don't talk wet" it isn't a way of life & they don't live in them......or maybe they do just like "gypsy" John furry
Absolute nonsense. The caravans come from sites like the one at Osbaldestone on the A59 east of Preston.
I love the old wagons they're beautiful, and the horses are well looked after, too 😊
The bow top horse and carts are very beautiful and well looked after the horses are clearly well cared for , you can see that .😮
Yes definitely they take pride of their things n even in their homes .some r more cleaner than the public houses 👌
Well I’m from a Cumbrian farming background.
I am sorry to see people making it deliberately harder for the travelling people to stay on the roadsides or the verges.
The fair has gone on for centuries. It’s only for a short time each year.
It’s a tradition and part of north country culture.
Live and let live.
Well said
Thanks Jimmy, and no I am not a Traveller. Light & Life Christian Travellers and Gypsies evangelise at Appleby and want to bring peace between the settled Community . Only vardas horse drawn are allowed now ,police are forcing other trailers towed by cars diverting them away from Appleby to eg Kirby Stephen etc. it’s about Ancient Customs and it’s only for a few days . So if there are disruptions it’s very brief and temporary . Leave them alone .
I disagree. It's outdated nonsense. We didn't move on from the Stone Age because we ran out of stones. It needs bringing to an end.
Changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace still goes on. The kings guard still wear bear skin hats. We haven't knocked down any of the castles even though we don't get invaded by vikings. We still have Glastonbury the Scott's still wear kilts. We still remember those who died in the world wars. It's called tradition English tradition we should be proud of. I assume your not English born and breed.
@@Brian-om2hh It seems to me that your prejudices are outdated nonsense, or should be. It’s a pity that you cannot bring your pathetic prejudices to an end.
Thank you for this video.
Will be more to come. Trying to get to some of the other fairs if we can and will be back at appleby next year ❤️ 💙
Going to Appleby next weekend , only Sunday due to commitments, I'm not a traveller but my wife's family were .
You get good and bad in all aspects of life , people need to let their traditions carry on .
Life is hard enough , peace to all and big love ❤️
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@@Roadshome will do 😁👍
@Roadshome thought I saw you around half 12 walking under the bridge so to fair but wasn't sure as you'd past and someone had a big flash and blinded me 🤣
If it was you then belated hello 👋
Only just seen this sorry, 😳 it was a bit quite on Sunday.
Year ago, a group of Travellers in two caravans,and couple of pick up trucks canped for two weeks on some waste land 500 yards from my house. That week the lead flashing disappear off my porch. Two neighbours lost theres too. About £10 scrap value. Cost me £200 to replace it, and i had to redecocrate my hallway where rain poured in for days. Conincdence? I think not. Not good people, as many can testify.
But they aren't ALL like this, just like not ALL men are rapists. Unless your telling me different.
@@Roadshome trouble accompanies them wherever they go.
Exactly. The kids trampolines dissapeared from peoples gardens when they stayed in our area and the alleyways and road sidings where turned into a 3rd world rubbish dump.
It's the younger generation. Not those original travellers with horse and wagons
My father was born in one of those horse drawn bow top living wagons, he was a master with horses, rip dad these people are keeping your traditions alive.
🐎 We love the bow tops and horses, think they are much better than motorised vehicles. ❤️
@@Roadshome I think you’re absolutely right ❤️
This is like everything else in life....the few spoil it for the many. True travellers love and respect their animals and nature, without that they would not survive. On the other hand you have the lying, thieving animal bullies who are cruel, their horses work through fear, they are not real horsemen.
You've got it the wrong way round, it's the many that spoil it for the few, there aren't many true travellers any more, most "gypsies" don't travel nowadays apart from when they've provided an inferior service of some sort & are never seen again when problems occur
Lived in Appleby 25 years all my life, grew up there . up untill 4 years ago. Glad to be out of there. Some are nice, but there's minority that are there to cause nothing but trouble. They always leave a right mess and dont clean up after themselves. Some are also not respectful to the locals either. Its changed alot of the years, it's not like it used to be.
Your gripes could be equally applicable to so called normal members of society who live permanently in houses and in specific areas. Being disrespectful, leaving or living in a mess, causing trouble etc is certainly not the preserve of the travelling community so I’m really not sure what your points are unless you’re blatantly practising out and out discrimination via ignorance? 🤔
No I'm very aware that their are good and bad in all walks of life. But what a lot of people are not realistic about is men rape women, but not all men.
I agree, but I'm not ignorant or discriminating. Key word in my comment "minority" meaning, not all of them. Point I'm making is it can be a difficult time for the local residents. @@Wishful-Thinking
??? this has nothing to do with rape. Indeed there are good and bad in all areas of life. It's good to see a large police presence! Hopefully there's not much trouble this year, being local and family who have lived there for decades including myself, it isn't the same as it used to be. Hopefully there isn't any trouble like brake ins etc, but there's always something that happens. Growing up, I got sick of the fair eventually and don't like them at all but respect what they do. @@Roadshome
@@tjsmith6412 Well yes it’s a minority of people who do undesirable things whether it’s in the travelling community or the settled communities, the majority of people are usually well behaved, peaceful, law abiding, etc. I feel the travelling community does get an unfair bad rap over all. Most of them get tarred with the same brush and stuck with in a lot of cases an undesirable stigma. I agree Appleby residents do get their lives disrupted during the annual Appleby travellers fair but the fair is a very old tradition, its part of British heritage and it’s part of the deal choosing to live in Appleby and let’s be honest the boost to the local economy brought by the fair isn’t to be sniffed at.
Well the clue is in the title there……it is PRIVATE LAND,weather there’s a lock on it or not, it’s Private. Try a novel approach & ask for permission before entering the land you can’t just demand to be given the right to go onto someone’s private land & blame the police then for not being happy. You are right not all travellers are bad & neither are all police.
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@@stewartlancaster6155 oh,so sorry !!🙄 🤡
Neither were ALL Nazis but you wouldn't want them invading your town either would you?
Back in the 60s and 70s, I watched out of town with Jack Hargreaves. It showed all types of country living, travellers, crafts and shows. Never saw police or hassle of any kind but fast forward to today with freedoms and old traditional ways of life fading away. Everything is on the decline and that's without the shite that's happening world wide. Sad to see those travellers not only hassled by the police and authorities but to be pressured into giving up their ways of living. Good video despite not being able to continue on with the journey.
100% right there my friend n well said ✌
It's not right to look at it through rose tinted glasses, the ways of living aren't perfect. I work at a shop on the way to the horsefair, and half the travellers that come in are good, polite and friendly family folk who are a pleasure to serve. The other half steal and intimidated the staff. We've had around 5 cases (that's the cases we see ourselves not including what we don't see) of theft every day since the lead up to the horsefair, and the police leave them alone.
Gypsy's bring on their own problems. They leave a mess when leaving a roadside verge instead why don't they hire a skip?? They target elderly people and scam them in regards to roof work that doesn't need doing and then charge the homeowners a ridiculous amount of money. Why don't they undertake genuine work??? I have no sympathy for them, they could alter how they behave and the majority of people would then have no issues with them
@@phubblewubbphubblewubb Thank you , great watching them and remembering.👍
Most of the travellers are just on a nostalgic holiday. Not many living that lifestyle full time
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Pretty simple really, isn't it ? If it's private land, it doesn't belong to you, therefore you have no right to park on it. Would they like it if someone set up camp in their back garden ?
I have 5 acres and really owning land is nothing like having a large back garden. I remember hearing once the expression “you cannot own land, the land owns you”. I now understand what that means. As long as people are treating land with respect and not causing damage, I don’t have a problem with people using part of my land temporarily.
@@pauldavies1710 Yeah, but do they ask you first ?
@@mistofoles absolutely they should. That is common courtesy and they can’t know what your plans are for the land for the period they are staying.
Travellers have turned up at a SSSI nature reserve car park and prevented an event for children being held. They turned up at a District Council locally and left 24 bags rubbish and cost the DC thousands in installing height restricted barriers.
Will you pick up the human fecal matter with similar cheerfulness?
Maybe they should carry a dinghy around with them and say iv just arrived by boat.... that way they will be treated like kings....
Fantastic answer, spot on.
Showing you lack of knowledge and empathy? What is wrong with you? Why have you been taken in by the lies?
No dinghy required they have caravans.........
Shut up Mr woke
Well if uniforms got there self's to the ports of england and sent the boat invaders back this would be our country once again?...
Thank you for the video - you are a great comfort to everyone who needs to understand this very sad situation which must be addressed for this years Fairs success and for the forthcoming years.
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For years we loved travelling past the Gypsies at Appleby but noticed restrictions on the verges one year fenced off verges very sad to see this happening and much worse now. Blessings to you for reporting it
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My thoughts and prayers are with all of you - I have no suggestions can only pray for peace on both sides every blessing
The confiscated vans were probably being returned to their original owners...Wake up mate!!
exactly but they need the vans for there dodgy guttering jobs
With red diesel!
Ok and how do you know this?
@@Roadshome He doesn’t know it, or much else, either, I suspect. He just likes airing his prejudices loudly so that others like him can, and do, applaud.
@@Roadshome common knowledge you clown.
In County Durham, multiple ‘traveller friendly sites’, with facilities have been made available for travellers. This year, in Bishop Auckland, they’ve chosen to cut a hole in a metal fence onto a children’s play park, tear the grass up into huge ruts and leave all sorts of rubbish lying around. If they’ve got a bad reputation it’s their own doing. The sites for them to stop at are clearly marked and have been used for years…Who is paying for the damage and clean up of this park.
Again we say, you can't tar them all with the same brush.
@@Roadshome I’m not tarring anyone. I’m pointing out that instead of parking on the multiple designated sites, paid for by Durham County Council rate payers, we are now going to have to pay for the clean up of a children’s play area, that was left in a disgusting state. There is a designated parking area about a quarter of a mile along the road….Why don’t you do a RUclips piece on the damage and litter left behind every year, caused by travellers passing through for the Appleby horse fair.
@@Roadshome can’t tar them with the same brush yet the travellers you was with got caught with 4 stolen caravans 😂😂😂😂
I live near Appleby, and it’s an absolute nightmare every year, from racing horses and buggies down the high street, going thru temp traffic lights on red, and causing major disruption, not to mention the shanty towns set up on every grass verge,and the rubbish left behind for us to clean up, complete disregard for the communities they travel through. I’m sure there are many decent law abiding travellers, but in my experience most of them are not!
And did you know about the fair when you moved to Appleby?
Love seeing horses in the water, free spirits. ❤❤
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Love to see all the horses and carts and old fashioned caravans
Very sad to see this community of travellers being harassed....unfortunately its not just them but anyone that travels and lives a nomadic lifestyle. The govènment dont want it !!! old traditions,crafts etc have to ve seen or viewed at country fairs,shows etc where you pay an arm and a leg to see how things were done. Rules for this,rules for that,but no compassion for people that are part of our heritage and certainly part of mine.. like all communities you have the few that ruin things for others...Great video guys
Sorry mate but you reap what you sow. You all keep saying that no harm is done, not true you inconvenience ordinary people and always expect them to put up with it and what comes in return? You are all spouting self righteous grief without thinking kindly about other people. Wherever you go and stay your site has to be cleaned up properly before any local person can enjoy it again and that takes time and effort and money. I won't go into detail about the state of our local small village except to say it can most years be pretty disgusting. I wish you would all stay away!
You have to put up with the travelers ? I'm laughing 😃 let me ask you, were you born before 1685 ? Cos travelers have been using the town every year since then, so they are putting up with the locals and councils thinking they own the world. You bought a house in a town you knew was used by travellers. Now you want to push them out. Take a good look at who thinks they are self righteous.
Here's a wild idea, plan ahead! As a "community" they know they're going every year so contact farmers/landowners months/years in advance to arrange (pay for) somewhere to stay, where they can rest, feed & water horses etc, arrange for facilities to be in place like portaloos & bins/skips. Take responsibility for where they stay, look after where they stay, dont leave waste behind, stop playing the victim, just a thought
Brilliant idea. Well said ✌
They tried to buy a field in Sedbergh between them, as soon as it was found out they were travellers, they were not allowed to buy it.
Such n shame I do feel bad for the traveler's as it's their way of life for centuries. Hopefully things will b better for them in the future. As some of the old ways r better than nowadays...
@@Roadshome Because as in Cumbria, there are restrictions that must be adhered to by Law.
@@Roadshome who mentioned buying somewhere? So that's the answer? We tried to but somewhere to stray once but they wouldn't let us so feck it
Some of these horses walk miles.My friend offered his help when he saw tired looking horses plodding along on the way back from Appleby show.My friend had gallons of water in his camper van and made sure all the horses had a drink as they didn't have any themselves and it was hot weather last year.Please make sure you carry enough water to give to all the horses in need. Thankyou.
Watching the gypsy's in Kirkby Lonsdale ( where I was brought up ) reminds me of my father banning my sister and I from going out during Appleby horse fair . The women would sell pegs and heather door to door and put a curse on non buyers . Theft of farm stock etc were stolen & drunken fights were scary . I'm almost 80 yrs old and remember it clearly . Sad but true .
Hope you're well and doing well on the road as a traveller I know what it can be like I'm in Christchurch Dorset good luck and God bless
Spent many many weeks around Dorset. Your not far from Luke then.
It wasn’t locked so we entered and used the field, if its not yours don’t use it! They just leave a mess everywhere they go. Caravans and transits, they could just go straight to Appleby but chose not to. Appleby done want them either.
How can you drive a horse pulling a bowtop all the way from Leeds! In one day?
@@Roadshome transit horse box pulling a trailer with the bow top on, easy, now give your head a shake. I see them all the time in Sawley, but they still take a week to get there, stopping off making a bloody mess everywhere. The way they have behaved over the years has given them the bad name, don’t blame the people who live on route who have to deal with their mess and disruption.
They aren't all causing mess, just the same as all men are not rapists..
@@Roadshome Why are you being so insulting to people.? They're only making valid comments, based on their experiences with the travelling community..The op has obviously seen travellers and gypsies, breaking the law and leaving a mess wherever they go, so he's entitled to his opinions too..Many other commentators have said the same thing, so there's lots of people who've also had very bad experiences with them..I'm sure there's good and bad travellers, yet towns throughout Britain don't want them visiting either, due to the violence, theft and mess..Hundreds of people and their local Police depts clearly aren't making these incidents up, so they can't all be wrong or prejudice..Perhaps you get on with travellers and you don't like, believe or agree with others, who've genuinely had terrible experiences with them..However, that doesn't mean you should respond with rudeness or discount what they're saying, just because you don't happen to agree with them..I'm shaking my head reading some of your sarcastic responses..If you don't like dissenting views, then what's the point in having a channel..
Beautiful caravans ….im thinking of coming for next years
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Damn Appleby used to be an event I looked forward to when my parents and uncles used to go. The area around Devils Bridge was always a great place to meet folk. I still stop there occasionally. I wonder why the powers that be trying to override the Charter issued by James 2nd. I remember the court case which the council lost in the 60's which tried to close it down. Great video and thanks for highlighting the police action and attitude.
Thanks for watching and your comments. Looks like it's the council who are trying to make things difficult. Possibly because 'money talks' but Appley would be little known if it wasn't for this annual event.
Try living in Kirkby Stephen or Appleby during fair week....
If you let us park on your driveway, we'll give it a go. 👍🏼
Yes it's hell
Sedbergh makes provisions for Appleby. Road side grazing, tethering posts and a field or 2 set aside for the travellers. You would have passed these on the way to Appleby 🙂
What makes you think you can trespass anytime you want ?
We wasn't. Our van was on the road down the side lane. Thought everyone would see that. ?
Don't forget horses have got big muscles and like to race each other and they like to show-off as much as you're kids do!
On weekends that field is a overflow for motorcycles quite often with stalls there selling motorcycle cloths and goods at Kirby Lonsdale "" Devils bridge "".... So the gate is never locked
It wasn't locked for sure.
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The problem is there are travellers who are all about causing trouble and committing crime. I personally have witnessed this and its all hidden behind a seemingly honest business like roofing, tree surgery, block paving scrap metal etc etc but largely a nasty bunch and it's always the ignorant who see injustice !!!!!
However I have no problem with a travelling lifestyle at all, I have also lived in a van.
Also there are many different types of travelers!!!!!!!!
💯 % correct
Travellers/Gypsy’s - whatever you call them - ALL have to abide to the rules like Everyone Else !!!
The council like the government work for the people. That's me and you, but most of the time, they make rules that suit themselves so they make profit. Appleby has been a traveller fair since 1685 and a horse fair since 1785. It's not new. Locals have bought houses in the nice quiet town, liking what they see but now want to make that town suit themselves. Its traditions we should all be proud of. What next ? forget those who died in the wars who fought for our freedom. Cos that's all the travellers want. Freedom to Rome and travel.
Showmen are totally different breed altogether
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I travelled from Leigh to Appleby horse drawn 20 years ago and the council were cutting the verges then.
Sad. It's hard enough travelling in a traditional cart in a modern world, dont need add shit thrown in.
@@Roadshome we have spent the last 3 years travelling around in our old LDV we will look out for you.
It is part and parcel of breaking up of communities not just the travellers but us townies to devide and conquer we now need each other no matter the chosen lifestyles or we loose our traditions speech and freedom's we all have a right to travel good luck to us all united we stand
100%
Keep this culture going brilliant love it, love traveller's ❤️
These travellers are just a pain. My partner and I were returning from Kirkby Stephen, on the road which eventually takes you to Sedbergh. We spotted a gypsy caravan and 2 horses, pulled into a lay-by around 200 meters in front of us, with the guy sorting the horses reins out etc. We were on a very long straight section of road, with nothing behind us as far as we could see, yet he still led the horses and caravan straight out into the road in front of us...... Sheer ignorance. As we continued driving towards Sedbergh, we often saw piles of rubbish left at the side of the road, where they'd stopped overnight.
Sorry but if you followed the law you would know, what is the order of priority on the road is ? As you are not aware I'll tell you. Pedestrian, followed by bicycle, horse, motorcycle, car, HGV. You should give 1.5m room when passing, if you don't have that space you don't pass. The horse has priority over car drivers. The horse was around before the car. Is more at risk.
@@Roadshome And all travellers rigidly follow the law, do they? Do they pay tax and National Insurance? This farcical 15th century circus ought to be banished into history. If you want to buy or sell horses or other animals, then use an auction mart.
I love this to see all the beautiful horses 😊
Wonderful wagons .❤ P.s if I owned that field I'd just have a word say ok stay as long as you need take your crap with you when you leave and next time here is my number let me know your coming..
Absolutely, the travellers offered to pay, on the other side of the road the land owner allows the horses to be tethered.
Go and ask the CO OP shop in Masham how respectful they are
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That field was locked and had a notice pinned to it saying no right of way and to enter would be trespass. It was an official notice.
There is bound to be some serious accidents happen with slow moving horse drawn traffic being encountered on blind bends.
If Appleby horse fair has been going on for centuries, why is it such a problem now? Surely locals can put up with a bit of disruption for one week of the year. I lived on the Isle of Man for 2 TT's and the locals just accept 2 weeks disruption by bikers every year. Sure it costs to clean up afterwards, but it also brings in money.
It is not for two weeks a year they take at least 4 weeks to go and the same back to their homes.
That is part of their enjoyment , meeting up on The Wayside . Authorities like Durham and Darlington are obligated to provide portable loos , and stopping points on the way between Ancient Piercebridge and Barnard Castle. To fail to meet that obligation the L.A,s are abridging their Human Rights,simple as.
Because it brings theft along the route, traffic disruption as they trail about and wanton disrespect for the people who live in Appleby. Horse dealing in large amounts of cash is simply a way of legitimising their ill gotten gains.
Have you saw the utter mess they leave, it has to be payed for by the tax payer ??
You should always ask permission of the landowner or tenant before just setting up camp.
Unlike the boat people no permission needed
My father's family built these caravans for years. There was gold leaf on them.
I'm shocked to see the barriers put in the way of the travelling community for this traditional annual event. I went there for years when I was back in the UK.
Would those caravans tie in with the 4 stolen caravans seized they announced on social media? Did they ask for permission before trashing that hay meadow? Repair the damage done to the farmers field?
Respect goes 2 ways and once lost is hard to regain but can be earned. A video highlighting stolen vehicles and entering peoples property without asking isn’t going to do that 🤷♂️
Yes it certainly does. When we filmed no one would say anything. So we can only film and say what we see and told by people who are involved. I've seen today that the people involved have been charged with handling stolen goods.
@@Roadshome such a lovely way of life though! Why don't you film when they've left an area they've stayed in & show the damage & filth including human waste that's left behind? Ask folk in that area how they've been affected by the brief visit instead of romanticising about some fantastical lifestyle that doesn't exist? How many are actual "travellers" ? Don't most live on lawless sites on which that they're left to their own devices? I've lived in vans & caravans, lived on squatted land with no water or other services but everybody worked legitimately, paid taxes, recycled their own waste & weren't a burden to anyone, suppose it depends on your upbringing & mindset
My father took me here when I was a kid it was fecking great he was into the sulky racing I wanna bring that back to Ireland 🇮🇪
The problem is with "Private Land" how dare decent hard working people work hard and pay for land and not let "Free Loaders" illegally pull their vehicles and caravans etc etc on to it and leave piles of rubbish all over the place not to mention human shit in the bushes ?
Did you go and inspect the field?
@@Roadshome Yes i did, before and after , Did you ? As i dont recall seeing you
Which field are you talking about?
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Great video , well done bringing to light the issues these guys have daily 🤩
Thanks both, hope your well. Loads more bowtops on their way up now.
Thanks for your video, very informative, and shockingly treated by the police, shameful of them😊
It's a shame that, that field couldn't be used for the travellers once a year. They just need stop off places. But the problem is there are many at the same time. Like one man said, they didn't move on the campervans which were parked there the week before.
Common law right to travel without let or HINDRANCE simple!
Why do they think they can do what they please ? They don't respect anyone's property and what do they do with their human waste ? Its their choice to travel with their young families .
The king of England, James ll in 1685 gave them permission. That's why they do as they please. As for waste, what does anyone with a caravan/motorhomes do with there waste. Put it in there toilet obviously. Bit of a stupid remark isn't it ? 🙄
@@Roadshome a caravan has a portable loo that has to be emptied in an elegant point. The gypsies say they don't use a toilet in their caravan so where do they go ? You are a bit rude ,aren't you
@@Roadshome they are chased from council land and farmers don't want them on their land .Think the law if the 16th century has ran out
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I feel this is biased. Firstly you can’t just pull up on private farming land. This could be for grazing or feed during winter months for their own stock . Secondly there has always been police in the rural areas due to the amount of travellers and visitors who pass along the way. It makes sure the roads are kept open and traffic runs smoothly as well as informing motorists to drive safely due to horses being in the area. Travellers usually have a place to stay for free in most villages and towns along the way. I know because I live in one. Parking on the roadside causes obstruction and can be a danger to them and passing motorists . It’s the same in the summer when holidaymakers block farming gates or park on verges which causes issues for passing ambulances or fire service vehicles. Your not being targeted .You don’t want little children or pets running into the road. Recovery drivers are there at the request of the police , not only do they tow stolen caravans like you witnessed, they also assist the travellers when they breakdown , not all travellers arrive on horses . The police are always visible and active during an event where thousands of people attend, it’s for local and travellers safety. The police won’t tow you because your in a van or caravan ,they will simply ask you to move on , they will tow you if your caravan is marked as stolen. My town offers free grazing areas and next to a river so water supply is plenty . They light camp fires and enjoy the area until they move nearer Appleby for the event. You are guessing the issues and have no knowledge of what happens when the police get involved. Someone somewhere will be happy their caravans are being returned . Once the event starts there will be thousands of people from all over the uk in one small area . People need to get to work and the police make sure the roads are kept clear and safety is their priority for travellers and public alike . It’s a logistical nightmare for many and making sure everyone gets to their destination safely without causing to much disruption for locals is all that’s happening. I say, enjoy the sunshine , find somewhere to light your campfire and have a wonderful week . Persecution is not happening in Cumbria so maybe stop looking for it .
Yes live stock have to graze on good land ,and if its destroyed , farmers got to pay she'd load money for feed ,so it is so unfair for farmer, just because that week that field is free of live stock, doesn't mean it's not used for grazing.
I know for my man has I've stock
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If this fair happened in France everything would be organised for them to be safe fed and watered,
My parents used too go too Appleby fair they loved it ❤
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I live away from the lakes but have travelled in alot. I have a new job now driving a HGV all around the lakes now. What an eye opener it was this year.
I drive through Melmemby alot and it is a lovely little village, what a S hole that was left in!!. At what point is it acceptable to sit and watch your children playing on a road ?
Many farmers fields where broken into to camp on and left disgusting. I even saw a family bunk up at Alston petrol station, they left with pile of crap under the caravan. Disgusting
Do you wonder why such a big police pressence ?? Come on wake up
A big police presence cos there's 30k people. As we said, the group we followed didn't leave no mess. We can only film in the location we see. Yes we saw some mess at times but with 30k people what do you expect. Look at any football match or new years eve. Also remember 20k of them people are visitors and only 10k are travelers. How do we/you know who leaves the mess. ? It's like saying all HGV drivers throw pee bottles out the window. We both know it happens but not all do it. 🤷
Best time at Appleby fair was a great man Joe laver what a man god bless
They chose to do this journey each year .Why don't these people arrange to rent fields along the way in advance. Provided the land is left in a good state no problem
They leave everywhere a dump
Iuesed to have a few fields up and down the country when we were not using them then the farmer could use them
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They have made offers to buy the field. And others. The council stepped in and objected. They made offers to pay rent and cover any damage. It was all turned down by police. Didn't ask the land owner.
@@Roadshome Thank you for your reply .That is shameful and cruel. Maybe if the travellers realised that they can be disruptive instead of quiet and respectful it would help. Two sides to every situation.
Yes if they put money up front ,everything be hunky dory
Alright mush gud on ya for filming this showing us gyspy people how things use too be an how will get mad out to b bad people wen most ov us ent at all mush fairplay too yas godbless all from bidzy westmids gypsies 🙌🙏🏻🙏🏻👊👊💯💯👍👍
Thanks, we will be back next year. Did you manage to find our other Appleby videos?
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Its a British Tradition and should be allowed to continue for the short time its on....no laybys should be bricked off ...i stand with the travelers! Good to hi light the difficulties of the travelers!
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There's so many different kinds of travellers. Some are great some are not. I’ve been living 20 years off grid/van/boat. It's not without problems.
You have a real world view. Good and bad in all walks of life. It don't matter where you live, could even be a million pound house dont make you a nice person.
Your wagon is magnificent. Your horses are superb. I love following your journey and it’s sad to see this happening. I would have thought the people who made the decision to stop travellers stopping there, had thought up a suitable alternative location.
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@@Roadshome Yes, I enjoy your videos. Thankyou .
We are glad of that , new one just out . We found a truly amazing swimming spot.
Folk should be allowed to walk the earth with equity and liberty which doesn't intrude upon other folk - Appleby Fair is not a good example of this. It's disruptive, intrusive and dispite the lush beauty of Romany culture there are too many bad actors who invite the policing and state intervention.
Thank you for the insight, i have east European gypsy roots
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I'd like a free field also 😂
They offered to pay, or even buy the field
They pass by my house every year as I live just before Kirkby Lonsdale & whilst I love seeing them with the horses I don’t condone those arrested this week with trying to bring stolen vehicles to the Horse Fair
No nor do we, did you watch our recent vlog, as that's what we mention.
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@@Roadshome thank you just watched now
Yalreet? I live with me family 2 miles from Devils Bridge since 2017, before that we all lived in Appleby 2015/17 loved it and the horse fair is beautiful and the vast vast majority of travellers are ace imo, that ramp you showed past the Riverside Cafe is chocker with horses up and doon it into the river! It’s a sight to behold! Great video just found yous, ✊ respect
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We're you there when a horse drowned in the river trapped under one of their carts.
I do not understand why people are prejudiced against Travellers. A simple solution is for local Councils to set up dedicated sites with waste disposal, water, etc...just like camp sites. Travellers could pay a fee just like other camper van people. I believe Travellers should be given Royal Charter protection for their unique heritage. They deserve to be treated with same respect as everyone else. It is the lack of decent sites that creates the problems. Shame on local authorities! Treat Travellers with Respect...that is the only solution.❤❤❤
All they wanted was somewhere safe to stop. ❤️
You should use your ad revenue to buy a field near buy for them 😉
The travellers made offers on the fields they were in. Council objected and it was sold to current owner. For some reason the council or local group don't want them to own a field in the area. It seams the new land owner knows the council and police so obviously someone with authority in the area.
I wish my ad revenue was good enough to buy a bag of shopping each week let alone a field 😢
There is plenty of room for everyone ,its the greed of a few who think their wealth gives them power to dictate and control ...
We are supposed to be a tolerant and inclusive society .....
There are individuals in every walk of life who refuse to be reasonable and their behaviour ruins it for everyone else ...
Govt ,medicine,finance,...etc etc ....
Agree 💯
This is a very good well detailed report highlighting the issues. It's clear as day it's outright discrimination against this community and vanlifers .personally I just see it as an alternative way of living and I see no issues with it what so ever .
Now surely councils national parks along with police etc have a duty of care towards such community's and that is to have selected sights and points in the area where you can stop over .
Landowners and farmers themselves have they ever considered they is a possible workforce here for farms and land mangernent ?
Another point they is porching plus theft in the countryside so community's such as this are our eyes and ears they get to hear rumours plus spot possible problems and I'm sure word flag such problems up that clearly would help the police and farmers for exsample.
As far as I'm concerned they needs to be a full consultation meetings all sides to resolve the issues .
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We had already heard that actions had been taken to unable people to pull onto verges ect. It is clear as day that the people in Appleby and surrounding areas want to stop the travelling people coming, but they have been coming for hundreds of years. So instead they are just making it increasingly difficult and damn right dangerous.
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@@Roadshome fully agree on your points .
Just a question on those carriages which when you look at them it's a very high standard of work the community will have a high skill level in Carpenter wheel turning right through to working with metals so they have unique skills and specialised woods and metals etc .
So this is a untapped opportunity other trades out there might be intrested in enhanced schools could the council and national park set something up a center where this community can teach ?
It could be somekind of middle ground a place all community's get to know each other ?
you have to be careful though as in Durham , Darlington and Nth Yorkshire the settled teaching Community has just used and abused the budget allotted intended for the use of the Travelling Community and siphoned it off for the Settled Community. Especially in the 1990,s & 2000,s. Blaming them for a lack of interest and consistency. So sneaky, they acquire teaching qualifications by default and destroy the reputations of those who object to unknown exploitation of these children and people. So who is ripping who off ?
Do they still take the horses 🐎🐴🐎 down to the river to bath them
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It’s amazing how every where they go things start to go missing and when they leave it’s like a rubbish tip.they are their own worst enemy.
It's not all of them. And that's what I'm trying to get across to people. It's a few, maybe more than just a few, but as I keep saying men rape women, but not all men are rapists. It's exactly the same with the black community. Black men rob people in London probably more than any other race but they are not all robbers. You have become blinded with the bad experiences you have had in passed and think they are all bad.
@@Roadshome no you are right in that .but it’s the ones with an Irish accent that cause the most problems.
Not true
They always stop at Redcar and when they leave the place is a tip with heaps of waste and excrement left
We are not saying they are all good people. But the ones we have met haven't made any mess, although once the main group had left devils bridge a few others moved into place and did. We don't support those who leave the mess, but it's not all of them. Most are good, clean and respect the land.
Did they ask the owner for permission to go in the fields? People incur expenses maintaining land.Were any of the towed vehicles uninsured or stolen?
Yes I agree with they shouldn't have gone into field and I think they soon realised this next day. We spoke to the travelers at devils bridge, they seamed genuine. They went onto field cos the guys that came after us were told police would move them in morning from the road.
We did not have any conversation with the travelers where the caravans were towed. We asked the tow guys and police but they did not want to talk, other than say they were not interested in our van. We live in our van, so I hope you have some understanding what it's like to have police outside and not knowing what's going on. We parked on our own in the lay-by to conform to law.
They have to it’s all part of the Sinee pronounced Zinee, going back to Pre enclosure Laws , Ancient Rites in and around Devils Bridge.
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Yesterday on the A1 I had 4 caravans behind me in the outside lane flashing lights trying to overtake me!! It’s these people who give genuine travellers a bad reputation!
Agree.
We need everyone to come to London on Saturday 27th July.
What for?
Do Horse n Cart not have to stop at junction? 🤔
Did you see a STOP sign?
No is the answer, as its a junction with a give way sign, white triangle, red boarder, broken white lines, not a STOP sign. Highway code rule - you MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road. If there is NO traffic, you do not need to stop. You MUST stop at a solid white line or a stop sign. You also do not need to stop in your car if the way is clear.
Nope cos there wasn't one. It's a give way. White triangle red boarder. Broken white lines, If you were a HGV driver you would fail your test if you stopped at a give way with NO traffic coming. It's considered wasting fuel.
Horses have Right of Way, be patient and tolerant.
Thank you although I have had runins with Gypsy's on more than one occasion. Alas some groups around Newark are not friendly and very criminal. I do defend good well behaved travellers and Gypsy's. Also the facts that we are all in the same boat as they bring in the 15 minute cities it's all related and it is going to get tighter as they aim continue their aims of depopulation and herd everyone into these hunger game cities. So we need to all join together to defend our rights and freedoms and also do our own Policing against those elements who are criminal.
We agree, the good are welcome and it's been a pleasure meeting some of them. Although as you mention 15 min cities, we may need to embrace the troublesome lot of the travelling world. They may not embrace us but if authorities try to take over our freedom I for one will fight back by any means I can. Pretty sure you will to. ❤️ 💙
Because Newark is where the Traveller fugitives flock to.
Careful as you say all in the same boat, might get confused and think rubber boats ,as in migrents
if i owned the field i would rent it to them money upfront then a returnable deposit if no damage done
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Them poor families with very young children and beloved horses can’t get a safe place to stay but these bloody foreigners coming in on bloody boats get everything given! Makes me so angry 😡 I love to see the travelling families come through our little town on route to Appleby…🐴
Well they could always carry a rubber boat and claim there migrents they would be protected by uniform
...cozzas parking in remote lanes...if he can...l can...God bless...
It pisses me off the way people are treated whoever they are , if they do not conform to living in a brick by house , I feel the injustice and no one stands up for them or speaks out for them , there is a growing culture now of car and van life as a choice of living because they can’t afford a home , give them space to stay along routes and let them show you they leave it better than when they arrive why should they set an example when treated so badly .
They do not clean up their sh-t.
I've seen cars turn up in beautiful places and dump their rubbish. Only a few weeks ago a woman got out her car and took a dump behind my van. Their are good and bad in all people, I have no doubt I wouldn't be accepted by some travellers.
@@Roadshome You need to ask locals, farmers and councils about the cost of cleaning / disinfecting after a gypsy visit.
You could get a job cleaning after them.
The fair was established in 1775. Anyone who owns land or has a house in that town either bought it knowing the history or in some very rare cases, their ancestors made money from the fair to buy the land they now own. In any case those who have had ancestors who made the purchases should be part of its tradition. It's their history, too. Those who have come from outside and moved in recent times knowing the history and have no right to moan.
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Loved the video Mark and Sioux❤ prejudice breeds prejudice. I think they do get tarred by the same brush.☹️ i have known lovely traveller families and not so lovely ones. ❤
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