The ULTIMATE Camaro ZL1 LT4 Supercharger Lid SHOOTOUT
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- It isn't every day a shop puts their money where their mouth is... BUT AT FLHP THAT'S EVERY DAY! With that being, said we heard you all loud and clear when we said we'd be testing all the aftermarket ZL1 Camaro Supercharger Lids we could get our hands on. First of all, we are not, I repeat, NOT SPONSORED, or compensated by these manufacturers. We invested our money and purchased these lids to test for YOU, THE PEOPLE.
The lids we are testing come from:
- Weapon X: / weaponxmotorsports
- DSX Tuning: / dsxtuning
- MPI: / mechanicalpower_inc
- Late Model Performance: / latemodelperformance
The test will compare cost, size, weight, finish, options, sound, and especially power claims. You'll see how we set the controls for this like coolant and manifold tempts, the cool-down time between dyno pulls, and much more. By the time this shootout is over, we can put this debate to rest. Erik will give his conclusions at the end when he reveals the dyno chart comparison of every lid including the baseline run. Let's do this!
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Use the chapter markers below to skip ahead in the video:
00:00 Start
01:26 The Bolt-on 2018 Camaro ZL1 1LE test subject
01:55 The experiment controls were using
02:57 Baseline Dyno pull + numbers
04:08 Our expectations for the test
05:31 Weapon X ZL1 Supercharger Lid Specs
06:14 Weapon X Dyno Pull
06:32 DSX Tuning ZL1 Supercharger Lid Specs
07:28 DSX Tuning Dyno Pull
07:46 MPI ZL1 Supercharger Lid Specs
08:52 MPI Dyno Pull
09:10 Late Model Performance ZL1 Supercharger Lid Specs
10:23 LMP Dyno Pull
10:41 RESULTS + CONCLUSIONS
I think you just saved a bunch of LT4 owners about a grand on some pie in the sky claims! Thank you for a great video!
I love real results, not claims and assumptions by fan boys and companies.
I had the DSX lid, sold it and upgraded to the LMP lid. As far as sound in the car. DSX has a better whine sound, even at low speeds. IMO
Been patiently and eagerly waiting for this one! The content Lt4 owners have been waiting for, thanks for the work Florida High Performance! Looking forward to this comparison on a ported blower 🙌
Brother, you are putting in the work! Wish I was in FL would def bring my Z to you thank you very much, keep up the amazing work and God bless mate
I appreciate that!
This is your best video so far imo…I really didn’t expect those results!!!
A lot more of this coming
Elite content! Can’t wait for the next test! May have to switch my LMP lid to save 10lbs
As always you give great content. Appreciate the work you put it giving us common folks great info as we look into which mods will benefit us the most
Glad to help
Wow I've been trying to do this test for like a year, haven't had the time, thank you for your time, these tests take quite a bit of time to do.
Glad it was helpful!
Love your content and looking forward to part 2 with these lids. I completely agree with your opinion about seeing much better results with more mods.👍🔥
Thanks so much!
Great job testing with as much consistency as possible! Look forward to the test results on the heads/cam ported blower set-up, I agree and think thats where the results will standout👌
Thank you!
Amazing content, so much thought-provoking information.
Thank you so much
Great video, I learned a lot on this and I’m looking forward to your next video!
Thank you
This is youtube! Dude best video on automotive youtube in a while. Keep this up and you're channel will blow up. Thank you
Wow, thanks!
Appreciate videos like this. Thank you
Glad you like them!
I bought an mpi lid for my zl1 strictly for cosmetic reasons for car shows. Noticed a bit more wine but no significant gains as expected. I currently have Roto-Fab non big gulp, 95 mm throttle body, and flex fuel and tune. Topped out at about 622rwhp. Great content! Looking forward to seeing what BAD Pumpkin does next!!!😎👊
MPI is a nice lid for sure
I have the DSX lid on my 2016 CTS-V. With the stealth package powder coat option for a more discreet look. I have not tried any other lids but couldn't be happier with the results going from stock to the DSX one. Whine alone was worth the money!
There you go!
I’m at 825 rwhp on my 17 with a ported lt4 blower, cam, upgraded fuel system, LT’s, pullies, TB, e60 so probably a good candidate for one of these lids so looking forward to ur next test.
For sure!
Great video, keep them videos coming. Can't wait to bring you my C7 Z06
Thanks! Will do!
Awesome info & video, I agree with your opinion for why not too much different. Waiting for your next experiment on your ZL1.
👍🏻
Coming soon!
Thank you for doing the test, you spent hard earned money that you didn't haft to spend.
My 2018 ZL1 has a roto fab grey filter and borla Atak cat back, that's it, the car is about 18 months from pay off, once that happens it will definitely get a lid change in a magnuson 2650R, katech billet pump and a stage 3 cam in my 6 speed manual.
working on getting my twin turbo chevelle on the road.
72 T56 magnum, LQ4 6.0 Stock rings low boost 12 psi or less, 2 borg warner S256SX 93 octane with M1 methanol, LS9 head gasket, ARP head bolts.
So I have plenty work for now.
Best of luck with the build!
Great job! Great content! DSX .....great product
It sure is!
Great video Eric! 👏👏
Thanks!
You'll get it if you keep at it. Gain some confidence, you got this! Really appreciate the info you provided here.
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I have the DSX lid on my 2016 Z06. I have not dynoed but I didn't feel a seat of your pants performance gain. I still don't have the whine I would like, but it improved a little. My LSA engine had screaming supercharger whine. haha! Thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing
Erik, great video!!
Thank you
I showed up late. I LIKED the comparison and professional content. Looking now for the Bad Pumpkin you tube video. New subscriber for my 2018 ZL11LE...great stuff!!!
Thank you so much...BAD PUNKN coming soon!!!!
I think it’s worth mentioning the DSX lid power gain listed on the site is compared against the 15-16 lid and NOT against the tall 17+ lid.
Great info thank you for adding this point
I agree with everything you said. More changes would be noticed on a max effort type build. Might gain 15-25 on a car that makes 800+whp
I can't afford one of these, but I sure like them. Thank you for sharing your research. Maybe someday I'll get one. Don't hold your boost though.
Way to go DSX!! Stl
Great video! Definitely good to know.
Glad it was helpful!
Waiting for the high horsepower ZL1 test. Subscribed.
Coming….
Awesome video!
Thanks!
Just bought the LMP lid mainly because it's the biggest and best looking one imo. Gonna powder coat it gold and slap that baby on 😎. I only have 2" headers and catless X-pipe, cai and an E50 tune currently making 700whp. Hopefully after I port the blower and do pulleys, cam and full E85 i can make well over 800whp 🤞
Sounds fun! Good luck with the build.
Will forsure be on a standby for the next video
Thanks!
Great video thanks 💪🏿💪🏿
No problem 👍
This is real deal content for lt4 owners. Thanks! Keep up the good work. What do you think is better jokerz or kong? Looking at ported blower 103tb and big gulp for my next round of mods. Any input would be awesome.
We use both. Comes down to client goals. In my experience having tested both, Jokerz has more low end hit over kong on the lt4 stuff….i actually have a video on here where I test the Kong x port on a head cam zl1 and discuss the differences in powerband from x port to race port
Great video. 👍💪💪💪
Appreciate it!
I really love your videos man…..you’re very thorough I want to bring my 19 ZL1 to you….im in NC I would like to discuss some things I want to do with my car
Email me- I have a lot of vehicles come to me from out of state
Sales@flhighperformance.com
-Erik
Nice video, can you make a pull on the ported blower before the heads cam swap to see if there’s much difference
I actually do that in episode 2 of my ZL1 (bad punkn) series which you can go watch on this channel
Since my 16 cts v came with the smaller gen 1 lid. I upgraded to a DSX lid, but also added LT, Intake and flex tune. DSX and stock gen 2 lids cost about the same, so that too influenced my purchase. I will say, I couldn’t justify the $1,000 lids…
Can’t go wrong with the DSX!
Great video
Thanks!
Im very interested to see the Orange ZL1 im tuned in 💪🏽
Coming soon...
Great video but We need part 2 😂
Coming soon!
Good content!
Glad you think so!
Thank you for yoir honesty I appreciated. One question do you think with a soler throttle body and say dsx or mpi lid would have more improvement. Everything else stock except for burger filter thank you I'd appreciated when you can to respond thank you sir
Probably not
Thank you for response
Very good video
Thanks
I own a 17 ctsv and was thinking of doing a lmp lid but Dsx will do
Whatever you choose will be better than the stock V Lid!
This was needed and well done. I had a prototype Gen 5 whipple with a flat vs normal top that they sell to the public. I was convinced it gave me .75-1 more psi of boost but I never got it on a dyno. Coming from C8 and want to get a ZL1. Is there any year you suggest staying away from? Good job. I enjoy your channel.
Stick with 19+ ZL1
@@floridahighperformance thanks. Great channel.
One of, if not the BEST video ever on a subject. Amazing that you performed this test. I have been looking at a lid wondering if the results match their claims. Great video, thanks.
Thank you!
Maybe I missed it, but did you say which lid you found increased blower whine the most?
No discernible difference on the dyno as it’s very loud in the shop when doing pulls. A more accurate test would be out on the road…which I’ll do with bad punkn ZL1
Good test, I almost bought a lid for my stock V
Glad this helped...
I might have missed it but did the iats improve with an aftermarket lid?
Not really- 100-103* avg through the pull….next test would have to be driving out on the road
Do you know when you're going to have the next video on the modified with the lids as im holding off purchasing until i see the results! Thanks.
We are currently modding Bad Punkn as we speak. Head/Cam/Race port on 93/MS109. We will finish tuning the car, and then will replicate this test again on that car and see if we get any changes!
Can you feel the difference in blind testing on the road with the DSX vs the others?
No
MORE OF THESE! Get ahead in the LT world! More research for the LS1 / LSX aire to the throne
A lot coming...
put a short height factory lid on and test !
Won’t clear the bricks my guy
I just purchased the dsx im doing it more for the louder whine
It would interesting to see this test again with a max effort on stock architecture type setup. See if there are any gains with the most maximized realistic test motor.
Agreed...will conduct this test on my max effort ZL1 soon...
I have a 2023 ZL1 and cant find the dsx lid for my year on there website. Is it not compatible?
dsxtuning.com/products/billet-lt4-supercharger-cover?variant=33099951145040
Just goes to show you how feel the oem factory lid performs gm knows what they’re doing when they put out a product
Usually they do- not always. Remember- the original Lt4 lids on the V and the Z06 were trash
Just a quick question…. Why jokerz over Kong? Just want a better understanding between the two, thanks
Jokerz will make more low end boost and torque over the kong lt4 port - both will make more peak boost and hp…I run both depending on customer needs
which lid had the loudest whine?
MPI seems to make the most sound out on the road
Thanks for doing this. And we all knew it was going to be money wasted.
Nice 👍🏾
Thanks 💯
have you guys ever thought of porting the stock Lid?
Nothing much to remove material wise- it’s more of how the air moves up, across, and down the lid into the ports I’d say….
Kind of an expensive mod for such little gain. It might help more on a stock car.
I agree I think tho on a FBO 15+ psi bolt on car the gains on the lids will be shown more than at the stock boost levels
Whats needed to run straight e85 on a zl1?... flex fuel kit and ? Anything else ? Injectors?
What mods
Upper pulley, headers, cai exhaust.@@floridahighperformance
@@nemesis_zl1180 low side aux kit, flex fuel sensor, injectors….that should get you there but even then might tax the high side on full E
Did that stock lid still have that sound dampener piece in it? Maybe a give away of the lids you don’t keep on the car after the next video?
Lid did not have the damper in it- client removed it prior to it coming to our shop….we might do a giveaway let’s see what happens!
Has he or any shop done such tests for a max effort LT4 2650 build?
Coming soon….all part of my build series on bad punkn zl1
If you ever dynoed a rotofab vs the rotofab biggulp?
No but I can...
I would love to see the difference that you get. If it's worth upgrading or not.
Taller isn’t better? Dsx easy choice
Video is great not criticing one bit. But 100$ per hp or ftlb is steep!! Some were 200$ per ftlb whew. I think a good set of roller rocker arms would make a whole lot more bang for the buck
Def not the best bang for buck....
Like I say considering all things at the end of the day it’s dark
Facts
So less than 1% horsepower gain absolutely not worth it
Sponsored by DSX
Not even remotely sponsored by DSX - I paid for these out of pocket and spent $1000 producing this video- not including my own time and equipment use
@@floridahighperformance it made a big difference on my max effort stock blower zl1 compared to the dsx so looking forward to your next video.
@@mc-lc4sq which one you running?
So no wideband on the car don’t know that the lmp goes very lean and needs to be adjusted in the tune same on the mpi. Also the stock tune limits the hp to exactly 9-9.5 psi it has a boost bypass that opens when boost increases. I can promise you the lmp and mpi both make way more power on a fbo max effort car. A totally stock car on my tune makes 12 psi so also his claim of not enough airflow is crap. This is why you do not use these people to tune your car period he doesn’t even know anything about them. I just had a 4000 lbs bolt on car run 9.15@151 mph it will be the fastest when we get a little weight out of it and get better then 600 da. Don’t bother waiting on his crap I can’t tell you just doing a proper setup the two lids do make more hp. That 9.15 car makes 830whp bolt on using e70 and the lmp lid.
I did have a wideband on the car- no major change in AFR on this set up between the lids- other combos may yield different results. The fact that you felt compelled enough to watch the video and then cope with your own insecurities as a man by posting negative things about my knowledge on this subject tells me I’m doing something right! -Erik
Extra crispy 💀
@@JarredNoahOnly people doing worse than you will ridicule your work and efforts in life- not those doing better than you. Remember that.
Erik welcomed all questions and comments. And this hater was too lazy to even ask if he had a wideband on the car. Yeah, he thinks his stuff is better no way in hell. Talk is cheap. He's just trying to feed his overrated ego....
@@RRCoolJ-bq3piall questions and comments are certainly welcome- good or bad- just might not like my answer
This video should be 5min long max
Sorry TikTok has fried your attention span…this was spot on what normal people need to see
This hater needs to get a new passion. It's definitely not motorsports.
Where's bad pumpkin!
Coming!!
Wish it included the Kong lid with these tests…..🤔🫣🧐
Kong Lt4 lid? News to me if one exists...