The Surprise Harley Cam Upgrade That's Never Talked About
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- Getting a Harley cam upgrade is a big deal, it's exciting and even life changing in the transformation it makes in your Harley-Davidson motorcycle. But there's a catch to upgrading that cam, the valve train is suddenly quite a bit louder. This is normal with high performance cams, now this noise varies between brands and the typically higher lift cams create more noise. If valve train noise is an issue there are brands you might want to avoid and you may even have to give up some horsepower and torque. But if valve train noise doesn't bother you, you can choose the wild cams and not have to worry.
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I found the easiest and cheapest way to quiet valve train noise. I put a small piece of cotton or ear plugs in each ear. The bike runs smoother too!
Now that's just a Pure Old Scooter rider there 👍👍
My buddy used to bust off a couple cigarette butts and use them for ear plugs.
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StarRacing Bolt In TC 103. 577. That’s the Ticket. S&S Lifers Johnson Bros adj pushrods Zipper dual cam adjusters Koyo bearings Orig 3:51 plate & pump 2015 FLHR 20k. Zero issues. Just performance. Give me comparison Dyno reading. I went w ThunderMax’s and it works for my riding realm
StarRacing Bolt In TC 103. 577. That’s the Ticket. S&S Lifers Johnson Bros adj pushrods Zipper dual cam adjusters Koyo bearings Orig 3:51 plate & pump 2015 FLHR 20k. Zero issues. Just performance. Give me comparison Dyno reading. I went w ThunderMax’s and it works for my riding realm
Thought I had bad valve train noise after putting an S&S 475 in my ultra limited 114. Everyone told me noise was just normal noise but I decided to tear back into the cam chest anyways. Found my cam pinion bolt had come loose letting the cam walk and contact the case. After taking care of that issue there is absolutely no valve noise. I used S&S lifters, FM adjustable pushrods and stock cam plate and stock upgraded 8 lobe oil pump. This cam is awesome and sounds amazing.
Sorry the HD engine is quite a bit undersquare and air cooled on top of that. The valvetrain is going to be drastically stressed when you start you start ramping up the lift and duration. You have actually a rather heavy valve train as compared to most other bike engines out there. Now take into account that this weight starts taking effect at the higher RPM ranges, remember you have to lift that cam off the seat and return it to the seat with the springs ensuring that everyting is staying in place. Now simply physics starts to take effect there with the square law rule of thimb. So now it will require a much heavier spring to keep things in correct place at higher revs. Now for the bad thing with the heavier springs will result in higher seat pressures. Now since the valve is hitting the seat at a faster veloicty due to the lift and duration being more radical, veloicity being the movement of in distance as to the degree of cam rotation. Sorry you cannot cheat physics guys, you can do things to minimize the problem but it is still there. This is why often high rpm engines use overhead cams with the cam over the valve to reduce mass, you are moving much less mass so the valve spring tension can be much lower. My total suggestion is simply with a HD engine "Leave it alone" as all you are going to do is throw huge sums of money making more horses and then even more money spent fixing the problems created by the quest of more horsepower. I actually liked the EVO motor as it was improved and didn't make the power to beat itself into pieces and parts at a astounding rate the newer engines are well known for. The best thing I can equate a HD engine to is take your farm tractor and it will run forever in the field without much issue, now set it up for tractor pulls and it will make ungodly power for a very short period of time before it displays it's internals in a very colorful manner if not constantly attended to.
I remember looking at the valve train of high reving overhead cam Honda engines when I was a kid. They had a set of cam operated “fingers” that came up under the valve spring retainer lifting the valve and spring back up to the seated position via the cam thus allowing them to use much lighter valve spring pressure while still allowing very high rpm. I haven’t looked at recent engines to see if they’re still using this method but I would assume that they are.
@@chrish5791 Yes remember seeing this also. Owned several Ducati Desmo engines over the years, and they work, little complex to maintain though. The old Honda system appears to be a modification of the Desmo system, which they could not copy exactly due to the legalities of the time and since with spring metallurgy and design advancements these complex systems slowly became not cost-effective, yes Desmo worked better as the valves could not float but the cost and engineering was very complex and labor-intensive to maintain so at present I think Ducati is the only one using this system nowadays. Using a radical valve system on a Harley is really not that intelligent when you think it out. The engine is tremendously under-square, with an assembled crankshaft, not a forged one-piece unit, failure-prone under high loads and high RPM's. So you can for a short time get a bunch more power, but due to physics "the glue that holds the universe together" you have a tremendously short engine lifespan. My feelings are if you want a fast bike with a lifespan over 10k before total rebuilds, Harley is NOT THE ANSWER.
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I had an HD SE cam put in when I had the oil pump upgraded in my M8 107 - also had the SE lifters at the same time. When it came out of the dealer, you could hear the valve train from space! I was not happy and even had a "discussion" with the "master tech" who said "they all do that" (I was not at all impressed as he didn't even come and listen to it)... When they finally actually listened to it, they agreed it was a problem - turned out to be a faulty lifter... A little extra noise is OK, but this was a LOT of extra noise!
Years ago I put in on my Electra Glide a touring performance cam I believe from Andrews they would get happy at low RPM so you wouldn't have to downshift before the cam got happy one of the best things I ever did these bikes are for touring or cruising they're not full out racing bikes buy a Hayabusa if you want to do that but if you want good performance that's matched to the style of bike really a cam that gets happy at lower RPMs is the way to go unless you're going to the drag strip
Wood cams are loud but who cares really, they are the best power output cams I've seen. Add the Wood cam and hold on!
I love the term mechanical music. That is way better than calling it noise. Noise implies bad. Mechanical music makes it sound like what it is... awesome.
Excellent video. I got 1300 miles on my Wood cam and I have been concerned about the noise. I was thinking about moving from 20 w 50 oil to straight 50w to see if that would help. But now, I think I will go ride and stop worrying about it. .
Great video GF. I put s&s585se cams in my 08 softail custom along with new roller rockers and rocker lockers. Great power all the way through the power range up to 6k.
Very low mechanical music on the top end.
That's the best HD shirt design ever. Well top three anyway! 👍
If you don't like valve noises....don't get a big air cooled V-twin!!🤣🤣👍...great video!...thanks for sharing!...stay safe out there!😎👍🤙👍🤙🇨🇦
All of your videos are absolutely awesome. You bring that enthusiasm and love of H-D and 2 wheels into everything you present and it’s very much appreciated. Thanks!
Glad you are back and well! on another note,
2014 street glide stage4 40,000 miles. I did a three hole. Road 44 miles and drained the 6 ounces over filled in primary. No metal on plug but the oil was already gray again???? Is this normal???
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When your pipes are thunderously loud , who cares about a bit of valvetrain racket .If you want quiet, buy an ohc honda .Great video mate
I do quite a bit of cam swaps mostly high lift .560 & up mainly use high lift springs but lately I have been installing Kimblewhite beehive style springs & have noticed a quieter valve train . In my personal bike I'm running a .576 lift cam with Zippers 675 lift springs I know that's overkill but I also have a 647 redshift cam that I'm gonna try but it is noisy this winter I'm gonna redo the heads with 660 lift Kimblewhite beehives & try to still be able to swap to the 647 cam .right now the valves & spring will work with both cams ! Go big or go home !
Did the kibblewhite beehive springs reduce the noise?
@@davidhickman647 yes they are not as noisy !
Lol you should try to ride an old iron head you want to hear valve train noise! This new stuff is all quiet compared to that!
I bought a used Road King with a lot of motor work and high lift cams. There is a lot of valve train noise. It took me a long time to accept that the noise was inherent with the work completed and nothing was wrong. Now that I have a baseline for normal valve train noise I am good. I think I can now tell what would be unusual or a bad noise. Good video. It would have been very good to get over my initial concerns. Thanks.
I have owned my 2010 Ultra Classic for a year and have watched every video you post since I started looking for my first Harley after having a Honda Shadow ACE 1100 for 15 years.
Your videos are always excellent and extremely informative, bit this is the one that may finally put my mind at ease.
My bike has an S&S 110 big bore kit with ported heads, woods 777 cams, V&H power duels and many more performance upgrades. The tick tick tick was driving me crazy and when I recently had to do a partial rebuild (new jugs and pistons) I added Rocker Lockers hoping it would eliminate the “music”. It has not. It may be less now, but the ticking (makes me think of a sewing machine) is still there. The bike is just around 1000 miles since the new jugs were put on and I am learning to live with the sound. I don't think I'll ever get used to it 100 % but this is the video that will help me be less freaked out by it.
Thank you.
rockerlocker, you just dont need them in your rocker box. you need them everywhere. i used that tech to quite my shifter but it's shity tolerances everywhere. yay harley! also if your doing rockerlockers you can use a set screw instead. i found a videro on here and it works great.
I heard if going with a Woods TW-555-6R cam and a 98" big bore kit on a 99 to 06 twin cam you should probably have CNC heads or at least update to heavier valve springs. Same probably goes if you're going to S & S big bore kit and 585 cams most likely.
I just put the screamin Eagle cam203 and camchest ,oil pumpand jims lifters. Made my little 88 seem like a different bike.
Thanks for the video, I’m planning a cam replacement this winter so have been trying to figure out which one. Thanks for the info Great vid as always.
I found that running the bike a little on the rich side will decrease some of your valve train noise
🤔 hmmm maybe add some more oil!! Like 70 weight!!
I noticed no mention of Feuling cams. I use the 525 Reaper in my 06 Road King, high torque, These cams are stock circle and very quiet.
Also, the valve train noise is a bigger concern with a fairing than with a naked.
Thanks yeah damn right there noisy. But for a 110 10.1 make some respectable numbers before I refresh on my CVO 60,000 miles crazy but it’s still 120 pounds and 119 hp I found a bigger 58 mm throttle body on eBay for 100 bucks and I got the heads done. I’m thinking it should noisy. I did the rocker lockers. I don’t know if they did anything.
Does a cam upgrade affect engine longevity?
Not if you upgrade the cam chest, cam plate, lifters, new high volume oil pump and you'll be good to go. But overall they don't affect longevity, for sure helps to add the supporting parts.
I dig your videos, but I got a question. I bought a Softail with a 131 merch performance Evo motor, what can the cam and pushrods are Jacked, what lifters and cam would you recommend for big street power, I was thinking a wood W10F but I'm not sure it'll fit. Not much info on these motors.
I have Andrew's TW26 in my TC88 paired with a good intake and exhaust setup and head porting woke it up for sure. And it's not very noisy at all. Dyno numbers are 85.7hp 95.2lbft...pair that with Legend Suspension w rear air ride and my 2000 Deuce is fairly quick, very agile and contact with the road is smooth as silk. I know its just an 88 but I'm very happy with the Andrews cams is basically what I'm saying... 👍....lol!
I have an 04 Road Kings classic. 88" motor factory ported heads from HD 203 cams , module, 44 SE CV carb and manifold, stock head pipes with D&D police interceptor mufflers.
@@enricomandragona163 yes, I forgot about the SE ignition module....sounds like you have a good setup as well sir 👌
@@jeremymacklem2510 I embrace bigger motors
88 is gonna be the motors everyone is going to want in the future. Keep your 88
Tc 88 is the best sounding ever. Nothing compares to the quick rev of the short stroke 88. Also the 5 speed gear ratio is the motorcycle equivalent of putting 410 gears in a mustang. There's a good reason why all the stunt guys are riding dynas w 88s. Dont forget that in early 2000s the 88 was the biggest and baddest of the hd lineup
Feuling makes good cams that are easy on the valetrain.
I love learning all of the tips and information you share about HD engines and bikes. Been planning a Sportster project and the information goes a long way. Now to do something about the noises my Kawasaki makes! lol
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This was a very informative video. You may have saved me some money I dont want any additional noise I may rethink my idea of taking my stage 1 and skipping Stage 2. I wonder is SE cam causes a tick the torque one specifically . Im 135 lbs and ride a Roadglide 2020 I t is quick enough as it is. Really dont need any more power in exchange for valve train noise. Tell me what you think You make the best videos dont know how how I missed this one. Keep up the good work.
On a Milwaukee 8 you'll have a little more valve noise with a performance cam, I wouldn't waste my money on a SE cam honestly. If you want a bang for buck and make it worth the money to swap a cam Wood WM822XE is the way to go.
Thanks for this important topic My vtwin cams Andrews, woods , we’re the go to cams and they did clatter some not bad
My M8 114 with a screaming Eagle torque cam really great adds a boost 108 hp with 124 tq and no added lifter clatter
Love my andrews 48h
Just put an S&S 510 kit in my 88 inch, cam plate, bearings, billet pump and quickie pushrods. Super quiet and very strong. Good idle sound as well…
Same here with shaved heads
My son just put the Wood 222 cam in his 2017 Street Glide.....I tell ya it's got some serious power going on now....what a blast to ride and listen to 💯👊🏽😎
Oh those Wood cams make a very nice lope!
@@GixxerFoo it definitely does....it sound's real beefy
Hell yeah!! Thanks for sharing, getting my own soon.
I bet that single cam sounds great.. I've got a 07' twin cam 96" .. I don't think I can get that choppy sound out of it.. ???????????
Hey GF you are once again right on the money. I installed a RS 468 last year and honestly I really have not been able to hear much of any change in valve train noise. One other point, the brand of engine oil you use can help quiet a noisy top end too. Thanks again GF.
Not every 88-95-103-107-110-113-117 is the same thing in a different chassis!! Gearing needs to be addressed as well as other things that have to be considered!!
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Thanks for the great info as always. I'll just stick with the stock M8 114 fast enough for me. 🚔
Woohoo back up when hydraulic lifters are new and working properly there is no valve train noise ..and your claim of valve train noise per cam profile is not real ..none of my harleys with high lift with hydraulic lifters never made one one tic ...so i dont have a clue what you are doing wrong but for sure it at right ....YOU DID MENTION ROCKER LOCKERS that do work but as you admitted you dont know why as it was your opinion they have something to do with a harley defect ..total you are WRONG AGAIN ..
ITS the rocker arm shaft notch cut on a larger radius than the outside diameter of the bolt that secures the shaft in place .the extra clearance has to be for fast assembly line work to successfully bolt together with no chance of stripping the threads taped into the aluminum head and down side you have a rocking rocker arm shaft that plays a tune of death rattles that is not doing any damage at all ..and if you are hearing louder noise from higher lifts is probably cause the rocker arms are move up down farther and much faster playing a much louder song banging the oversize factory machined notch against the hold down bolt that also blocks the rocker shaft from spinning or falling out the rocker shaft mounting blocks,,and the magic to rocker lockers is to take up all the dead space between the bolt and the shaft = no noise at all ever again hot or cold ..and desperately needed in every sportster EVO engine that never break but amplify the tick sound to a loud clunk bang like beating on an anvil with a hammer that gives all harley haters tons of ammo as they say they cant wait to see harley go bankrupt and never build or sell another pile of junk as they claim ..that is easily proven from the comments if you take off a month to read the negative comments about harleys from the millennials not only the main comments of every harley video on uou tube but the main complains of evey web site reviews involving anything about a harley to now google has taken a stand against the company building inferior produces with parts made overseas that do not come up to S.A.E. Standards there is even a video channel on you tube that is totally dedicated to bashing harleys pointing out all the foreign parts harley uses instead of good old merican made...as this guy in canada has a channel on every day on you tube who snickers at all of us for not knowing about the cheep parts harley is over charging you compair to the japanese brands
1 they claim harley have inferior brakes made in by some outfit in italy ,,the company name is Brembo who was contract to make all harley brake calipers since 2006 to replace the American made delco caliper and pads that never worked unlease dragging your feet counts
So now the millennials are convincing new harley buyers harleys have italian junk brakes of Brembo which are Only standard on exotic cars like a $2million buck McLaren but cheap to retro fit mustangs for only $39k but $60k for a jaguar
2 the millennials claim the electronics on harleys are made somewhere in europe that is true but buy now as this canadian who is obsessed to see harley fail..this lates tactic to report where harley major components are overseas with no mentions of why what or were ..like harleys electronics that are made in europe alright in a country call Germany by a company named Bosch that also makes and the electronics for exotic german cars like Porsche BMW Mercedes ..
Does anyone see were this is going as it was the harley haters claimed all systems fail on the old school so harley with out says over around a ten years period fazed out all 20 years behind bullshit on harleys and replaced with the exotic systems there is from major companies like
Brembo
Bosch
Showa
Sunstar
Ohlins
Vance & Hines
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And day makers custom made by Chingka Joe that i figure since the same LED lights made in china are used in new Bugatti cars costing $4million bucks
.ill believe the chinese LED diodes are probably the best made no matter the cost as they are simply because the Californians who invented LEDs living in Silicone Valley packet up their families and the LED factories and bought housing for the family set up shop across the pond with more choice under the chinese communist republic army than the nazi government that has taken over control of the entire state of california whos states laws no longer seem to abide to federal
And making the chinese aesthetic seeing americans defecting from california to escape the abuses of a capitalist country seeking asylum from our 3rd Reich NAZI totalitarianp government to a communist
Republic giving full rights to chinese to copy snything and everything but the mericans still get their share. Of bucks and dont pay uaw people $28 bucks / hour anymore to watch bots build day makers that the chinese will watch bots do same job for 28¢/ hour and a free bowl of rice and a fish for overtime on saturdays .so now all big wig mericans who come to china give latest technology to china all get chinese Red Carpet with chinese concubine love you long time . , Just like president joe biden,s son hunter does selling out america to the chinese the last three decades
I used a fueling 525 also S&S cam plate, oil pump, lifters and push rods it runs very strong no noise at all. I like the 585 S&S cams but you have to grind the inside of the cases not for me. Great video buddy. 🤙
Thanks for your post on the Fueling 525 cams. I was hoping GixerFoo would mention them as they are the cams that I’ve thought of installing in my ‘06 FXDWGI along with a Fueling cam plate with hydraulic tensioners and high volume oil pump. I bought this bike this year as my first Harley and have found that it’s been everything that I wanted. Now after riding this summer I’m not sure that I want, or need any more than what this 88 TC puts out (it looks like old age is catching up with me and I’m starting to ride like an old geezer). It was also great to find out my dumb luck in getting the ‘06 Dyna Wide Glide in that it was one of the only ‘06 models to come from the factory with hydraulic cam chain tensioners rather than spring tensioners. GixxerFoo also told me that it had the ‘07 96 TC heads on ‘06 for some reason. Anyhow thanks for relating how your Fueling cams are running in your TC.
Most Fueling cams are broad tip cams & make good power,but,without all the noise & accelerated valve train wear that can come some of the more aggressive cams. The minor gains from Wood & other aggressive cams is very negligible unless your looking the absolute max HP ,or,1/100th second at the track. Fir the average street ridden bike,the noise will be more noticeable than any power gains you'll notice.
I put the feuling 525's, plate, oil pump and hydro tensioners in my 01 softail. With a fuel moto tune and its not any louder than stock. But there is definitely more seat of the pants power for sure. The power is in a streetable rpm range for my riding style too. Money well spent.
@@patrickjoy9551 Yes I also used a feul moto tune the bike pulls real strong just like you said great investment 💯
Can't imagine hearing valve train noise over my exhaust!
Woods cams are loud due to the steep ramp on the cam lobe. Use a set of rocker lockers and run quality lifters and you’ll be set as long as you don’t mind a little noise. Honestly the rocker lockers really quieted down my twincam 103.
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omg yes, the valvetrain noise scared the shit out of me when I first put in my cam
Hi GixxerFoo, I have found out that my 2003 deuce has had a pair of SS T510G have been fitted, geared , not sure if oil pump has been replaced, as it still has HD cam plate, I have ordered bearings and seals, for the primary side, I think I need to invest in some extra tools
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That's always a nice surprise to find some upgrades in there!
@@GixxerFoo Hi GixxerFoo, not sure if it as had a big bore kit to 1550’ with out taking the heads off, not doing that, the previous owner only had the bike for a year, and his ex has burnt or got rid off all invoices, I am trying to sort out mis fire , I think it was air leaking at manifold, but I am changing all new jets in carb , new coil and leads , I have already replaced O rings in carb but still have problems, so putting new jets in, and manifold gaskets,
Just waiting for primary seals and bearing/gaskets,
I when to HD and order the parts, I now been told 5-6 weeks for delivery, that is not good, I should of ordered from aftermarket components, like Jim,s et cetera bearings I can get the next day and seals , from Europe, outlet, ride safe, and free.
I’ve had a tick for probably the last 15k miles. I did feuling cams, camplate, oil pump, cam bearings, s&s lifters, and even rocker lockers. Still there
Back in 2014 I had a '02 Sporty 883 that came in to my workshop with a lot of valve train/ rocker box noise. I put a Zippers Performance pushrod & hydraulic lifter kit in it. I kept the stock cams and it actually ran better and as quiet as a new engine.
I am so glad you made this video! I am going to be doing a cam in my ‘21 FXLRS this fall or winter and had no idea it would increase my valve train noise! I absolutely HATE that valve train noise! I am willing to put up with some for the extra power and torque but I can’t have some crazy, aggressive, loud, valve chatter driving me insane every time I ride my motorcycle! The stock chatter the M8 makes is already kinda annoying. Sounds like I’ll be doing a S&S or something like that.
i read that the zipper red shift cams are great on low noise while not sacrificing performance. its what im looking at getting on my 107 M8
Just did a stage II on my 2010 Ultra Classic 96" TC. Went with Andrews 48's, and got a professional dyno tune. I figure I gained 20 points over stock on HP and Torque. The bike's top end is quieter after the cam swap and tune. All I hear is rocker shaft tick. I'll probably get rocker lockers. Only downside to the cam swap was my MPG went from 44 to 35, and I'm very conservative on the throttle. I only reef on it when I have to get out of a bad situation. And thats only happened 3 times in the last 2 months. Overall I'm very happy with the upgrade.
power takes fuel.
@@southernspazz2262 Yup...even if you don't use it.
@CNYJODY
GET another dyno guy. My 103 with 57h cams has 108 hp 116 TQ & still gets 43.5 MPG
& I’m opposite of you on the throttle
Yea i went with andrews 57h in my 96. And all i hear is the Rocker tic now. Way quieter than stock. Bike has SE air cleaner, Vance and Hines 2 into 1 big radius, feuling cam plate, hp lifters and oil pump, s&s quickie pushrods, power commander 5 with auto tune set up. Haven't put on a dyno yet but the screams. Very pleased with it
@@proamericanstoptyranny1260 what is your oil pressure running at with that can plate? Considering Fueling and Woods for my build.
I will be doing cams soon on my 88b.... appreciate the info
Another great explanation. Thanks!!
Don't forget to upgrade the inner cam bearings because if the INA spits roller chunks into your engine you will be sad. Remember to use the CORRECT cam bearing puller because not every expanding puller collet that looks right is right. Ya might get away with it...or not.
I just want a lope. How about a race cam with a stock lift?
You can get a bolt in cam that will work with the stock valve springs and that will give it a good lope. Pretty much anything aftermarket that's not stock or Screamin Eagle will give it a good lope.
Any good recommendations for a bolt in cam for a twin cam 88? Don’t want to do any top end work, just a bolt in….
👍Amazing, a sensible question with no feedback...... What a trip.......Just what I want to ask.
...the noise...it's just Harley Davidson to me...i Dont need it....but i Like it.
Always wondered about your RUclips name. IMO don't use a cam that requires larger valve springs if you don't have the cylinder heads to go with it. Roller rocker arms are nice too. Good video, keep em coming!
True statement 🤔 I put full S+S in my 2005 Deuce . I went.with.gear drive with 509 cams ( for lower down torque) instead of 510s that don't come on till about 4-4,500 rpm. These cams can be used without upgrading the springs. 👍😎🏴🇺🇸
I’m going with the woods tw999!… could you give me the list of all the other parts to complete my cam?.. 2016 road glide 103!..also going with 2 into 1 thunderheader!
You'll for sure need adjustable pushrods with that cam, you'll want to for sure do cam bearings while you're in there. If you can swing it while you're in there it's a great time to upgrade to a billet cam plate and high volume oil pump. For sure new tensioners as well.
Thanks bro I’m on it!.. 👍🏿✌🏿
Is there a cam woods tw999 cam package I can order with all the above parts?
@@terrancewilliams775 try fuelmoto.
My 117 with a red shift 468,d&d 2 into 1 the party starts right around 2000 and holds that line to damn near 5000….110hp,126 torque.i wanted low end and midrange power and that’s exactly what i got.
good video my man!
Would you recommend the Woods Tw222 for a dyna that is mostly stock with an exception of a high flo filter and 2-1 exhaust? Been researching and I’ve came up with woods or feuling 543/574
For the Dyna you might be happier with the TW 555 in the wood, it's got a bit more top end and still does well on the bottom since the dyna is lighter. That's a hard call between the two Feuling cams, but the 543 would be a good one with your current setup. When you ride, watch your RPM range and see where you usually stay and that will be the big deciding factor on the cam choice.
What do you think abt an s&s 510c cam?
My 57 h cams don’t make Valve train noise but it makes the throttle plate rattle below 2800 rpm. I ware earplugs when riding anyway
nice video maybe you could do one on on the M8 i was thinking of going with woods this winter now im rethinking
Explain ur RUclips name please
Years ago when l was a lot younger l used to be big into sport bikes and used to be in a club. The the name there and it just stuck with me for 20 years.
Oh, as in GSX-R Fool? That's funny! I got my RUclips name because the first 50 names I tried were not available! 🤣
@@GixxerFooGreeting from Ireland. It was the same with myself, I was all sports bikes for years then I recently sold my 2007 R1 and bought a 2003 Fatboy USA import and have no regrets. Like your Videos they are a great help.
I figured that ...my name is from my Road name also
Obviously not a Zook dude. Lol 😎
I bought a woods 777 and going to replace everything as you instructed. THX
I like noise of this particular kind , my bike a bare bones Dyna lowboat I'm staying 96 inch with better squeeze and me and the engine never will see the other side of 5-G's sounds better out of ah corner at low revs so looking at the 222 sticks
Have you been happy with the 222 in your dyna?
Mackie makes some top shelf cams also, well worth looking at. And yes, if you go with his aggressive profiles , they too are a little more “ musical”.
Oh yeah thanks for your content! I always learn from your Video's.
Went fueling 0 nose more quick
Got an 06 Street Glide, stock 88", power tune duals, Power vision tuner, awesome Woods TW555/"triple nickle", cam chest upgrade, adjustable pushrods, high volume oil pump, and Woods roller lifters. Motor is more quiet than stock, all I hear is the sweet sound of FREEDOM!!! Don't just put the cams in, the extra goodies will make the difference!! 98" incoming!
Is the S&S 465 noisier than the cyclerama (?) 480?
Hmmm that's a close one, I would say the S&S is gonna be quieter.
Thanks for all the info!
What woods cam would you pick and why? Tw222 or tw999?
Will these cams shorten the life of my cycle being so aggressive?
With all the supporting parts going in with the cams it won't hurt your longevity. The 999 is a very high torque cam, it comes on really strong and hard where the 222 is much smoother broad overall cam. I would go with the 999 myself since I really like big torque and horsepower that peaks pretty early, I don't ever really run the bike out.
@@GixxerFoo thanks brother. I want to do it right and add the other parts to my stage 2, 103 heritage. I personally don't like to hit 4k rpm and like to stay lower down and want the extra power mainly for passing vehicles on highways or getting out of the way quicker.
Thanks, you video gave me a good feeling about my cam upgrade in my 06 Electraglide 88CI. It had 30k on the motor and I had the cams, billet camplate, Fueling oil pump, cam bearings, lifters, exhaust, and a little headwork with valves and springs. I got 104 tq @ 3400 rpm and 91 HP at 5k rpm. It has been a few years but seeing a 103 just a little higher with everything I had except the headwork gave me a good feeling. BTW: I have never noticed the valvetrain noise.
Would the S&S 585 work on my Stage 1 07 stc 96 ci? R
It will work on your 96 as a bolt in.
I put redshift 528 in my 2003 twin cam. Bored to 98 from 88. S&S ported heads. Nice cams. 104 tq. 90hp.
If things are clanking around, they're wearing out faster. Noise = wear. But if you're going so much faster, you have more time to rebuild it when you get there! It's always a trade off.
This is funny. You're sitting on an Engine with wheels and people complaining about the noise it makes? I grew up around Muscle Cars with BIG solid lifter cams and gear drives, 6-71 Blowers and Lenko Transmissions. To me when it's singing in harmony, it's glorious. Plus you have the added bonus of HEARING an issue, usually before you read it on a gauge.
I hope you see this but what is the biggest wood cam I can install in a 96 fatboy evo without doing beadwork? I am replacing pushrods,bearing,tappets etc but didn’t want to mess with the heads
Stay under 500 lift and you will be fine...I run Andrew's EV27
...490 lift in my Evo's.
Anyone know what an ev59 cam with doomed pistons and high lift springs would sound like on an 80"? Thank you.
I think my pipes cover rocker noise 😁
Excellent info ; 🙏🙏🙏✊🏻👍👌
Right on! That's the way to do it!
@@GixxerFoo ✊🏻👍👌
MR Foo any chance you could do one of your vlogs on cams for us sportster owners thanks.hope your getting better !!
i lost chain tensioners because of the stock harley cam plate (you went over the issues with it in another video) so i went through and did cams and a billet plate and oil pump and yeah the top end noise came down even with the woods 777 cams. having oil moving around certainly helps
Howdy, love your channel, now do have a question, I have a 03' Dyna anniversary 1450cc, 15000 miles and thinking on a new cam, so can I have your ideas on what I can and cannot do, and who might have a good cam, I do ride just about everyday and do lot of city riding, but I do hit the highways and just want some more kick 😉 if you know what I mean... any help would make me a happy viewer... 😊 thanks for the help...
Great video, I put S&S585GtoG cams, fueling HP lifters, S&S roller rockers, S&S585 valve springs and rocker lockers. The valve train sounds quiet and smooth, with great power.
On what bike, Dyna?
@@johnarce9704 2010 roadglide
You can always quite the noise with a
2000 amp stereo... 😳
What about running solid roller lifters and just adjusting the clearances yourself?
When there is a tick it is because metal parts slammed together, sliding parts don't tick. If an engine has soild lifters the clearance necessary for complete valve closure is unavoidable and has an associated tick. With hydraulic lifters the tick is because the valve train cannot follow the cam. It may be good for power but not longevity.
The tick is from 2 metal parts being slammed together. The noise doesn't come from the cam on the lifters. The noise comes the aggressive ramp rates snatching the valve off it's seat & then slamming it back down.
Cams and gears sound like a tank depending on the oil used.. But I have no worries with tensioners anymore...
Another great video, as usual. I like what I see from Woods cams in regards to what power and torque they produce. I don't care too much about the noise people talk about. However, what has prevented me from getting them was my concern about the increase in wear and tear on the motor from the cam design.
What are your thoughts on that?
TW 222 all the way!
people moan about a little valve noise , then stick a loud pipe on ,,, what ;;;
i went from a 2001 XLH that didn't even run, to an arm stretcher in 9 months .... i mocked up the tune in Dynomation, and pipe band comes on just like the sim...still breaking in the fresh build and i already lofted the front end, in 2nd, the other day......Andrews N2s, stock lifters, aluminum push rods, rocker lockers, and S&S beehives...very mild gear click, is all.
a little over 10:1 compression, Daytona TwinTec double sparking cold plugs in polished chambers...the pipe boost has it wound up tight on 91+ octane....the party starts at 3 grand.
I have been looking what would be good on a twin cooled 103, I seem to find lots of opinions on regular 103s and 103 HO but seems like people dont write much about the ulra limited
I have a 13 Roadglide Ultra, with Stage 1 and a tune. Just about to pull the trigger on Woods 222, from all the videos on here. Plus my mechanic recommended Woods for great entry level not going any farther than a cam. Not changing my cam plate or pump.
@@JLK1978 thanks! I'll research those.
Ok, need some help! 98 Harley Davidson Fat Boy FLSTF, best cam for HP & TQ from about 2000/2500rmp till 6000/6500rmp? Best suggestions, any information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
Well i have red shift 575 lift set in my 100 inch build with s&s heads and Graffeo Original Exhaust and tc88a ignition 10:5:1 cpr and 216 psi cranking pressure. On 93 it makes at the tire 125 hp and 115 lb ft and my top end sounds like a sewing machine for the 60s lol but god i love what i did to this bike.
Hey Gixxer ..I've got a stage one 103 and I'm looking at S+S 583 cams,any thoughts on those cheers murray
terrance williams
.before you spend any money i highly suggest you talk to the top builders who understand that engines are air pumps that the more air you can pump at any given RPM the results in torque goes up at a higher rate than gaining higher CFM volume despite the differences of cubic inches of engine displacement wins championships like ,Byron Hines who designed built raced NHRA Pro Stock Harley Drag Bikes matched no tree of pro stock rules of staged green and go against all brands not just harley but all four cylinder motorcycles as well ..and for a consistent 10 years consecutively harley davidson breaks more speed records and e. t. records than any other brand ever made as harley won every world championship making harley the fastest motorcycle in the entire world for 10 years in a row faster than of all makes models years and brands ever produced .and in the entire history of pro stock starting in1983 with the Suzuki GSX-R first NHRA Pro Stock drag Bikes turning 7 seconds in the 1/4 mile still turning 7s in 2012 until that year it was screamin eagle team rider andrew hines at the home of the Indy u.s. nationals and the only time you are allowed to break out setting new national track records andrew hines became the first man riding a factory brand to raise the bar as the game charger from 7 seconds to 6 seconds at 200 miles per hour in the 1/4 mile NHRA rules of engine specs. that are the toughest rules of all drag raceing ,that in 2012 a modified version of the harley model V-Rod destroyer turned roughly a second faster than the RC engineering 4 cylinder top fuel nitro supercharged dual and triple engines on one motorcycle know as orient express funny bikes ..and since that day at indy harley still remains to be the motorcycle you will have to beat in the pro stock fastest bikes in the world ever cause of one man who at a young age Byron Hines was the master mine behind all pro stock jap bikes and engine designer of the funny bikes of the top fuel orient express employed by Russ Collins of RC engineering as the riders name for RC engineering was non other than Terry Vance ..this are the two men of Vance & Hines world famous for the highest performance motorcycle internal engine parts and mods of all years makes and models of motosports for 45 years win more competition in all categories of all motorsports including S&S except for the land speed record still owned by S&S and BUB Racing and there original test pilot Chris Reeves with the worlds fastest Bagger a harley he rides on the street everyday to go to work to his bike shop were he built his bagger that did over 218 mph with full fairing and saddle bags and not your fathers Pan Head .christ ran a small garage were he mostly builds bikes just like what you are getting ready to do .that is a bagger with twice as much torque at half the rpm of a stock harley and make well over one horse power / cu, in, of your 103 twin cam and stay together for way north of 100k of trouble free miles with the wick pinned ..sounds impossible right? Harley said we are glade we never listened ..someone else said when pigs fly ! Harley said NOW THEY DO .
There is a page in the screamin eagle parts catalog of around ,50 or so camshaft profiles all of different camshaft combos of lift and duration all from the work of Byron Hines who in partnership with harley davidson screamin eagle for 20 years of the last 10 years winning 11 championships as Byron as it is designed all the screamin eagle cams you will find by dozens more than any other brand ..as each cam is purpose built for using in your engine to be maximum out for any personal riding style that you use our bike to do ...like king of the baggers in its 2nd year of existence were running 700+ lb harley Milwaukee Eight 131 crate motors making something north or south of 200hp baggers drafting the leaders who are the Wyman brothers of motogp racing and lone wolf Tyler O'Hare on the indian bagger of Roland Sands Designs as its Tyler who's always coming straight up the middle on his RSD indian just to trade paint with the wyman brothers with Kyle 'out in front while the other brother plays block pass on Tyler cutting Tyler off from ramming Kyle in the in the next turn to spin out give Tyler the leader for the next few laps and a kodak moment for indian and the press while they are drafting at 170 mph on the high bank of daytona this year first race opening season during daytona bike week ..and you can bet your bottom dollar those factory harleys pulling the train have Byron Hines screamin eagle cams and Byron can be found every day at the world head quarters of Vance & Hines located in brownsburg a suburb of indy just north of INDY IRP home of the u.s. nationals and with a copy of the lastest updated s.e.parts book Byron should know the perfect cam profile for your build that your description of using the woods higher lift and shortest duration with a two into one thunder pipe you are wanting 4020 john deere torque to max out at rpm of well under 3000 keeping the stock setting of your rev limiter thats factory set at 5600 rpm with no care of horsepower that could turn out to be less than stock .but i know for a fact the screamin eagle cams will make 108 ft lbs at only 3000 rpm and 105 hp at 6800:rpm and a quick look at your woods advertise shorter duration with the highest lift spells out the most abusive and destructive cam profile you could ever install in any roller bearing nettle bearing engine .especially and engine built of the twin cam design that still has the required 2 : 1 ratio but using sprockets that are less than half diameter putting undo stress on the chaim chain causing the cam chain's links to make a much tighter radius resulting in higher chain temperatures because the physical mechanical leverage of cam sprockets being half propositional to sharing the load like sprockets twice in diameter bigger have a chain much longer will. Not work the links by not bending over a smaller radius that by now you should totally confused of everything i just said as i am the worst ever trying to paint a picture of internal stress to the valve train that already has extreme load on a chain not design to bare that highly increases catastrophic engine failure that is bound to happen to all stock twin cams operated by a timing chain with an average life of 80k mileso and by adding a cam of vintage technology from the 1968 FLH shovel head that is exactly what you are planning to install as i check out your choice of cams that you could not of chosen a worse profile to cause an early failure and death of your ride that is total unnecessary ,,that basically this video has not one of any information of selecting the proper cam to achieve your personal performance gains as i think about it Gixxer fool never mentioned anything about the performance effects of duration that is again has totally different effects of lift .. here is the cam you said you want
www.fuelmotousa.com/i-20859650-wood-performance-tw-999-6-chain-drive-camshafts.htmlj
This set of cams will completely destroy your engine in half the time for normal failure ...did you know you are require to do machining of the valve guide and a new set of bee hive valve springs that are stiff enough to pop the top off your stock valves so you will be shopping for a new set of titanium valves and a bigger throttle body and that pipe that makes plenty of noise but no real horsepower is not going to get it for the build you are trying to do ..that if a harley shop done this today parts and labor at now $100/ hour would easily come to as much as $13,000 dollars of an engine that you can forget about having any reliability and the birth of a two wheel money pit and why you cant have nice things