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  • @TitusTechTalk
    @TitusTechTalk  Год назад +501

    After all the Redhat drama... I'd revise this clip - "You Only need 2 Distros"
    1. Debian for stable environments
    2. Arch for cutting edge

    • @GoatzombieBubba
      @GoatzombieBubba Год назад +83

      Fedora for stable and sorta bleeding edge. You're only jumping on the RHEL bandwagon for clicks/money.

    • @Kaptime
      @Kaptime Год назад +6

      Nice to know I haven't been wasting my time, they are the two Distros I use the most. Arch is great, being up to date and having a great wiki are W's.

    • @Hskfbskdjf
      @Hskfbskdjf Год назад +23

      gentoo if your swag

    • @dhanushshetty5518
      @dhanushshetty5518 Год назад

      Suse....

    • @abhitruechamp
      @abhitruechamp Год назад +6

      If you make a new dedicated video on this specific topic on the main channel(with the kind of polish that's on your videos there) it would be great! Just make sure its noob friendly so its sharable to someone just getting in.

  • @dominus6695
    @dominus6695 3 месяца назад +89

    Meanwhile no dev managed to get a scroll wheel speed adjuster into the mouse settings of any distro

    • @_Verac
      @_Verac 2 месяца назад +14

      Probably because most Linux dev are also power users who rarely use the mouse.

    • @no_name4796
      @no_name4796 2 месяца назад +3

      It's just a floating point number somewhere. You could probably implement it yourself in two second such a slider lol

    • @HafifSyukra
      @HafifSyukra 2 месяца назад +19

      ​@@_Veracwow, such a gatekeeper mindset there. Lmao

    • @JTCPingas
      @JTCPingas Месяц назад +2

      ​@@_Veracwow ok

    • @mizu_7422
      @mizu_7422 Месяц назад +1

      that is not because of the distro, it's the desktop environment

  • @rw5069
    @rw5069 10 месяцев назад +54

    100% agree. Another thing that cooks my noodle is reinventing the wheel. Forever developing new installers and package managers. There are many other areas to push our community forward.

  • @richardbates6311
    @richardbates6311 Год назад +18

    For most users, the GUI is the OS. They have no idea. I understand your frustration.

  • @MrYossarianuk
    @MrYossarianuk Год назад +233

    Yes, an Arch based one (for gaming), a Redhat based one (for enterprise work) and a Debian/Ubuntu based one (for workstation)

    • @DominikZogg
      @DominikZogg Год назад +11

      Fedora with testing packages is as up2date as arch if you use a desktop environment like gnome and install desktop applications as flatpak.

    • @MrYossarianuk
      @MrYossarianuk Год назад +4

      @@DominikZogg Fedora is a distro I just have never got on with, I also do not like Gnome really (PopOS is ok). I have installed every single version to check it out (except 38 yet)

    • @DominikZogg
      @DominikZogg Год назад +3

      there are many spins, not only gnome which seemed to be well maintained

    • @andymorin9163
      @andymorin9163 Год назад +12

      my workstation uses Gentoo lol
      and my server
      and my other workstation

    • @DominikZogg
      @DominikZogg Год назад +16

      @@andymorin9163 gentoo is unique as well, but some of us (even developers) do not want to spend their time with compiling software ;-)

  • @laniusdev
    @laniusdev Год назад +89

    Well, SUSE is so obscure, that it's directly supported by hardware and software vendors (e.g.: nVidia literally hosts a zypper repo). Leap is getting a little bit old, but Tumbleweed is literally Arch in terms of shipping new software, but it doesn't break (because it's a base for enterprise products).

    • @benjy288
      @benjy288 Год назад +26

      Yep, opensuse is one of the major big name distro's, I don't know know why he would call it niche or obscure.

    • @rendysamadja7033
      @rendysamadja7033 Год назад +12

      I believe opensuse has more users in Europe, and not as many solutions online. I find that in using opensuse, I need to tweaks troubleshooting solutions I read online before I can apply it to my opensuse. On an unrelated note, I hate using rolling release due to the huge amount of downloads on every update.

    • @webflyer035
      @webflyer035 Год назад

      ​@@benjy288depends on hardware compatibility...
      I tried to used tumbleweed last month but it freezes every time I try to shutdown or restart after a few boots😅
      I tried 7-8 times with different combinations (changing filesystem, separate/combined home, proprietary/opensource nvidia drivers, kde/gnome)
      I never had those issues in manjaro kde & mint cinnamon, (although fedora with btrfs has same issues, but ext4 was fine)

    • @NeptuneSega
      @NeptuneSega Год назад +5

      @@benjy288 opensuse is a different project, SUSE on the other hand is obscure in the sense that you rarely see it. i could throw a dart in a dark room filled with the percentage of distros used and hit ubuntu 100% of the times

    • @Nuka-Rebel
      @Nuka-Rebel Год назад +2

      I went from 2 years on Sid, 6 months on Arch, and almost a year on Tumbleweed. I don't foresee myself ever hopping on bare metal ever again. Everything just *works*
      And Yast will take a moment to get the feel for but it's powerful. Some things I'll configure without YAST but it's the one stop shop either way.
      Also I prefer zypper. It's slower than pacman but what are ya gonna do

  • @1pcfred
    @1pcfred Год назад +118

    Debian forks are due to people disagreeing with Debian's policies. Fedora is the testing branch of Red Hat. Arch is because some people figured they could make a distro even more impractical than Slackware.

    • @kxtbit
      @kxtbit 3 месяца назад +5

      what makes you say Arch is impractical? i guess i can see the argument bc it takes a lot more work to set up, but it’s not any more work than trying to make the same sort of customizations in a more plug-and-play distro like Debian (would also say that the setup is part of the fun, but that has nothing to do with practicality)
      really hope i don’t start a flame war with this comment

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 3 месяца назад +13

      @@kxtbit setup is fun until you just have something you want to do. Then you're better off just being ready to go. Sure if you're going to do the same kind of setup it takes the same amount of effort. If you need to customize everything. But there's a lot of defaults that are good enough for most. I do very little in the way of setup customization myself. The personalization I do is more of a home directory thing beyond what distros offer. I've learned to not muck around outside of my home directory.

    • @lacyingram8452
      @lacyingram8452 3 месяца назад +3

      My Arch installs have always been stable.

    • @jongeduard
      @jongeduard 2 месяца назад

      @@kxtbit Let this guy just speak for himself. I always feel some difficulty when people act like their personal opinion is a universal truth.
      For me, as a technical person, Arch Linux is the system where I get most things done, because of how I can customize everything, the availability of software, and the excellent Arch Wiki which is one of the most valuable sources of information you can get.
      Which still does Not mean that I recommend Arch for everyone, it just works for me, very simple. And I am also still not exclusively using it, I also run other systems.

    • @abashedstorm
      @abashedstorm 2 месяца назад +3

      ​@@1pcfred yes, agree with you. With great power comes greater responsibilities. I don't want all these responsibilities. Just some. So give me some power. Not everything. 😂

  • @aarond0623
    @aarond0623 Год назад +65

    Everytime I distro hop, I always end up coming back to Fedora. It feels the most complete and has worked with most hardware I've thrown at it.

    • @javi___
      @javi___ 6 месяцев назад +2

      Sadly there’s no compatibility with nix home-manager so it’s a no go for me

    • @escapetherace1943
      @escapetherace1943 5 месяцев назад

      @@javi___ nix is the worst distro lmao

    • @no_name4796
      @no_name4796 2 месяца назад

      Opensuse is close, but it's just a worse version of fedora. Also zypper just the slowest package manager
      And it will easily break your system if you ever decide to remove the wrong random package

    • @KekkusMaximus
      @KekkusMaximus 18 дней назад

      @@no_name4796 to be fair with btrfs enabled by default you can easily rollback to before breaking your system. Also I believe the "zypper is slow" argument, which is legit I admit, comes mostly from outside of europe since I'm in Italy and it's not that bad to be honest.

  • @pauledo5026
    @pauledo5026 Год назад +106

    Here are 100 Debian-based Linux distributions:
    1. Linux Mint
    2. Ubuntu
    3. elementary OS
    4. Zorin OS
    5. Pop!_OS
    6. BunsenLabs
    7. KNOPPIX
    8. BackBox
    9. Kali Linux
    10. KasperskyOS
    11. Knopperdisk
    12. CrunchBang
    13. NeoKylin
    14. HydrantOS
    15. GNewSense
    16. Qimo 4 Kids
    17. NimbleX
    18. SparkyLinux
    19. Cyclotron
    20. Devuan
    21. Parsix
    22. BunsenLabs Linux
    23. GendBuntu
    24. Trisquel
    25. Bear
    26. GhostBSD
    27. Linux Deepin
    28. FreeNAS
    29. Voyager
    30. Emmabuntüs
    31. Wifislax
    32. Siduction
    33. Ekaaty
    34. OSGeoLive
    35. NuTyX
    36. Peppermint
    37. CUbuntu
    38. Fuduntu
    39. SimplyMEPIS
    40. Skolelinux
    41. antiX
    42. Hannah Montana Linux
    43. StarLinux
    44. Liberte Linux
    45. Dream Studio
    46. Cumulus Clouds
    47. SliTaz
    48. Münt
    49. Kurumin
    50. EPIC5
    51. PLD Linux
    52. GeexBox
    53. gNewSense
    54. Archbian
    55. Apricity
    56. FrancesinhaOS
    57. Austrumi
    58. BOSS
    59. Damn Small Linux
    60. JacqueLinux
    61. KDE neon
    62. FeatherLinux
    63. Finnix
    64. GParted Live
    65. Gobolinux
    66. Goobuntu
    67. Instabuntu
    68. Lakka
    69. LinuxLite
    70. Linspire
    71. LliureX
    72. Maestro Linux
    73. MEPIS
    74. Puppy Linux
    75. tinyCore Linux
    76. Ubuntu Studio
    77. Xubuntu
    78. LXLE
    79. PiCRUST
    80. Proxmox VE
    81. Q4OS
    82. Raspbian
    83. Robolinux
    84. Sabayon
    85. Salix OS
    86. Smoothwall
    87. Storm
    88. Trinity Rescue Kit
    89. UberStudent
    90. UltraLinux
    91. Ultimate Edition
    92. Vector Linux
    93. Wyliodrin
    94. Yellow Dog Linux
    95. Zenwalk
    96. Cloverleaf
    97. Grafpup
    98. Hellix
    99. Itzjosua
    100. LinEx

    • @motoryzen
      @motoryzen Год назад +5

      Holy crap! I figured there were around a dozen or 20 debian based...didn't think it was a fully Benny's worth.loo

    • @rehctelff3179
      @rehctelff3179 Год назад +4

      I think its Truenas scale that’s on Debian and freenas on openBSD

    • @sebastianibanez7219
      @sebastianibanez7219 Год назад +16

      Isn't GhostBSD based on FreeBSD?

    • @pitape1822
      @pitape1822 Год назад +3

      101 you forgot Spiral Linux, a good one 😊

    • @DV-ml4fm
      @DV-ml4fm Год назад +3

      I prefer distros with a minimal installation. Then you gradually build it up to what you want.

  • @thermionictetrode
    @thermionictetrode Год назад +47

    I have quite liked NixOS lately. The declarative model does seem to be a bit different than most other distros, and the "one config to rule them all" makes it easy for me to avoid loosing my random little changes I normally make to config files spread throughout the etc directory. So far I haven't yet removed it from any of the systems I have put it on, and normally I do reinstall every time a system feels the least bit "crufty" to me.

    • @cenunix
      @cenunix Год назад +1

      I think you might fall in love with home-manager and impermanence, basically a fresh start every rebuild. I’m gonna setup impermanence for the home directory myself, I think it’s a pretty cool feature.

    • @unclefester9113
      @unclefester9113 11 месяцев назад +5

      Configuration files... No thanks. NixOS - is written for the next generation of the Neck Beards. No thanks.

    • @zekiz774
      @zekiz774 Месяц назад

      ​@@unclefester9113is just one config file. Imagine it like docker, but for your whole system

  • @nerosr2393
    @nerosr2393 7 месяцев назад +16

    There is something to be said about having a distro ready for use with the tools and interface you require ready for use. The "just pick a base and do it yourself" disconsiders the fact that many people do not want to deal with this hastle.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 5 месяцев назад +3

      Yeah, that's a lot of time to expect an adult to have to spend on something that should just work right out of the box to meet the needs of said adult.

    • @Atmatan
      @Atmatan 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@fakecubedDo you take a ceiling fan out of the box and it just magically assembles itself into your house?
      Do you take food out of the package and eat it raw?
      I think you're mistaking "adult" with "lazy child".
      It is expected that you work for the things that matter to you.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 4 месяца назад +3

      @@Atmatan Aww, I hurt your feelings because you don't have any adult responsibilities and can afford to spend countless hours tinkering with your operating system; I'm sorry. As an adult, I do have more important things to do with my life, and I have a computer to get work done, it's not a toy I bought to play with.

    • @Atmatan
      @Atmatan 4 месяца назад

      @@fakecubed 😂😂😂😂
      I can tell I don't even need to read that

    • @ribbonmusha
      @ribbonmusha 28 дней назад +1

      ​@@Atmatan I think cooking food and installing a fan in the house is much more important work to do than tinkering with operating system.

  • @VeganaAnarkiisto
    @VeganaAnarkiisto Год назад +28

    I tried a bunch of Linux CDs from magazines around 2000. Mandrake was the sweetest but I had to switch back to W2K (THE best windows ever, with that clean 9x look) each time I felt stuck. Then I got an integration job in an association checking and setting donated computers up with debian. It came with a qualifying training in network management, which occured in the workshop, on our debian computers. I never quit debian and aptitude since 🥰 (although I'm a piano tuner now 😅)

    • @AnthonyManzio
      @AnthonyManzio 2 месяца назад

      How much does ChromeOS cost?
      What is Chrome OS and who is it for? - Android Authority
      Chrome OS is an operating system developed and owned by Google. It's based on Linux and is open-source, which means it's free to use.Jan 21, 2024

    • @Rood67
      @Rood67 2 месяца назад

      Mandrake and Windows 2000
      *YES!!!*

  • @lorensims4846
    @lorensims4846 7 месяцев назад +11

    I'm a Slackware user. I appreciate that it's the most Unix-like distro, also the oldest and most stable of the bunch.
    Slackware -current is as up-to-date as anything else as still more stable than most distribution's "stable" versions.

    • @Skelterbane69
      @Skelterbane69 7 месяцев назад +3

      I too use slackware, although not on my main rig, as I'd probably screw something up.
      I love how you really get to dig into anything you feel like. Just wish it was less annoying to install grub and it could just be an option in the installer, along with lilo/elilo.
      It also just doesn't like one of my laptops, just refuses to boot, idk cause I do nothing different while installing.

    • @member.x.from.sai-teiki
      @member.x.from.sai-teiki 22 дня назад +2

      If you use Slackware because it's Unix-like the most then why not use *BSD? I, as Arch user, like OpenBSD

    • @lorensims4846
      @lorensims4846 22 дня назад

      @@member.x.from.sai-teiki But OpenBSD isn't Linux.
      Slackware reminds me of how Linux was when it was new, in the early '90s when we were still looking forward to the version 1.0 kernel.

  • @mercuriete
    @mercuriete Год назад +22

    BTW I use Gentoo.
    Gentoo is stable as rock, rolling release and a mix of source based and binary based.
    If you want to keep your Linux instalation for decades, Gentoo is your only one.

    • @robertcabrera6232
      @robertcabrera6232 Год назад +4

      Not exactly true. I ran Gentoo as my primary OS for over ten years across several hardware installations on several laptops, but eventually I was always faced with the choice of having to buy a more powerful machine so that I could keep running it and ditching an otherwise well functioning machine, or keeping what I had, but dealing with the lag of having to be constantly compiling in the background, or worse, dealing with trying to make work outdated unsupported hardware, particularly graphic cards. Plus there's the added issue of dealing with workarounds and having to patch things to make them work, especially when running "~" unstable. Switching to Arch got me another 3 years use out of my laptop, before I finally retired it. Once it was set-up it was almost like running on auto pilot by comparison. I seldom if ever need to intervene in fixing my system and things just work as they should. Now I'm sold on Arch and wouldn't think of running anything else.

    • @mercuriete
      @mercuriete Год назад +1

      @@robertcabrera6232 you can setup distcc on your bigger machine. Is what I do to compile on my old laptop.

    • @bionic-beaver
      @bionic-beaver Год назад +2

      Arch is better for maintenance, plus you have access to the AUR and never needs to bother with a specific app

    • @mercuriete
      @mercuriete Год назад +3

      @@bionic-beaver arch is worse for maintenance because is bleeding Edge. Their rolling release model doesn't fit with maintenance burden.
      On Gentoo you have overlays. It is like AUR but made but community or yourself.
      Having Gentoo well configured, with distcc and with your own overlay its way better than arch from the maintenance standpoint.
      Remember, ChomeOS is based on Gentoo because of flexibility and stability.

    • @83RhalataShera
      @83RhalataShera Год назад +2

      @@bionic-beaver Gentoo is way easier to maintain than Arch, there are often little (or sometimes big) things that brake on Arch, Gentoo is way more stable.

  • @reiniermoreno1653
    @reiniermoreno1653 4 месяца назад +14

    If many developers dedicated themselves to writing scripts to customize Debian/Ubuntu, Arch and Fedora instead of making forks, life would be much simpler: you download your new DistroScript, all the installation and configuration is done automatically and if you don't like how it turned out, you run another Script that leaves the system as before deleting all the new packages and repeating the cycle

    • @samshort365
      @samshort365 2 месяца назад +1

      That's what the Macbuntu installer did for Ubuntu for a while. Twister OS does the same thing for some PC based Linux distros. It comes as a compete distro on ARM, eg. Raspberry Pi, but not Intel.

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 25 дней назад

      This is basically what NixOS forces you to do. Many users even go on to publish their own custom DistroScripts publically, essentially giving NixOS one of the highest fork-per-user ratios of any distro.

  • @x0rn312
    @x0rn312 Год назад +5

    Titus is objectively wrong about this, if these distros didn't have use cases they wouldn't exist. And the fact that people use them means that they would notice if they disappeared.

  • @gwgux
    @gwgux Год назад +9

    It all boils down to, what is the starting point you want to use for your computer? Even people who run Windows change at least some settings to suit their needs from cosmetic stuff like wallpapers or connecting to their wireless printer or installing their browser of choice and any software they need. Nobody runs a general purpose OS on their computer without adding/removing/customizing something on it.
    Distros just offer more starting points from which to choose for setting up a desktop/laptop. The rest is up to the owner of said desktop/laptop do with it what they want for their needs.

    • @willi1978
      @willi1978 8 месяцев назад +2

      yep. there are many people who want to custumize every detail in their distros. that can take a very long time after every install. others just want something that is already customized so they can just take an iso install and be done. in theory those customizations could also be applied through a simple script after run, but most is done through different distributions.

    • @JM-bl3ih
      @JM-bl3ih 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@willi1978 if someone wants to change every last detail thats fine, make it avalable to do so through terminal, but linux needs a full fleshed out distro with easy to manipulate, non terminal settings like windows and MacOS has

  • @simhz2221
    @simhz2221 10 месяцев назад +29

    Even for gaming you can choose Debian. Either you go with SID or Testing for newer packages. Or you can use Debian Stable as the base, backports for an advanced kernel, and Flatpak for up-to-date apps. Love Debian.

    • @walter_lesaulnier
      @walter_lesaulnier 8 месяцев назад +1

      I love Sparky Linux (testing) for Debian Testing. Spiral is great too. I've had a few problems with Siduction though, but I think I got it stable now.

    • @ltxr9973
      @ltxr9973 7 месяцев назад +1

      Good point. Containers on the desktop seem like an acquired taste to me but they certainly solve this problem.

  • @leandroperalta
    @leandroperalta Год назад +17

    Enter the void...

    • @MacroAcc
      @MacroAcc 6 месяцев назад +2

      no

    • @Omega-mr1jg
      @Omega-mr1jg 4 месяца назад

      Why would i when opensuse works fine

    • @MacroAcc
      @MacroAcc 4 месяца назад

      @@Omega-mr1jg if you use openscheisse, then use arch

  • @dragonballjiujitsu
    @dragonballjiujitsu Год назад +19

    To say they are pretty much the same all Linux mint is just debian is to completely throw out all their hard work. It would take you weeks to do the same with a stock install of debian and it still wouldn't be as good. Some of us have other things to do. Same with other distros.
    I get it, I've been using Linux much longer than you. In theory you are correct. In practical application you aren't. Not everyone wants to do their Linux up from scratch and some sane defaults, background tweaks and themes (Nice IU) are nice for people who have lives but still want to run Linux.

    • @HieronymousLex
      @HieronymousLex 5 месяцев назад +3

      Exactly. This is basically a trope in the Linux community at this point, that distros are worthless

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 5 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah, most adults have too much other stuff going on in their lives to have to spend however long customizing their operating system and installing some long list of packages. The opinionated distros downstream of one of the big three are really just there to provide something that's good enough for a segment of users that they'll be happy out of the box.
      We should take it as a good sign that there are so many distributions now. It's indicative of how large the Linux community has grown and that there are enough users and maintainers to support so many distros.

    • @reekinronald6776
      @reekinronald6776 4 месяца назад +2

      This. The effort is often cumulative. That is Debian does a pile of work in setting up the packages, then Ubuntu, adds a few extra packages and polishes the install process, then Linux adds their own modifications and tweaks. The result is an extremely polished distro. If Linux Mint had to do everything from scratch, it would certainly be a rough and hacky distro, More likely, it would be essentially impossible to produce the same distro from scratch.

    • @famousmwofficial8046
      @famousmwofficial8046 4 месяца назад

      Mint doesn't do much they just get Ubuntu and add cinnamon and add apps by default while canonical does the heavy lifting through Ubuntu. There's 2 teenagers who make zorin which just like mint just builds off Ubuntu. Don't overrate mint, it's just uglybuntu

  • @slackernetuk938
    @slackernetuk938 8 месяцев назад +5

    I was falling in love with Slackware in the early 1990s....and I am still in love. That's it.

  • @Daniel_VolumeDown
    @Daniel_VolumeDown Год назад +18

    Here are some unique linux distros:
    debian
    fedora
    arch linux
    NixOS
    alpine linux
    Easy os (and maybe puppy linux have also some unique behaviours)
    Gobo linux
    Gentoo
    Void linux
    OpenSUSE
    And I am not sure if I should count them but maybe also thinghs like VanillaOS or BlendOS
    Edit: maybe also, tinycore linux...

    • @peacemekka
      @peacemekka Год назад +3

      Is alpine really usable as a desktop?
      I use it so much for my LXC stuff cause its insanely lightweight but never even considered it for a desktop.

    • @skelebro9999
      @skelebro9999 Год назад +5

      Solus too. Only if it was more alive today...

    • @Daniel_VolumeDown
      @Daniel_VolumeDown Год назад +2

      @@peacemekka to be honest when I was writing this comment i was thinking about unique distros, not necessary desktop ones. I am not sure if you can use alpine linux as desktop distro easily. I guess you should be able to configure everything like you can in arch linux but I don't know. But you definitely can install desktop enviroments.

    • @Daniel_VolumeDown
      @Daniel_VolumeDown Год назад +2

      @@skelebro9999 I don't know current state because I didnt used it, but I know that in video covering linux news created by "the linux experiment" posted on 2023.04.22 there was announcment that solus have some plans and they are trying to do some more seroious changes

    • @peacemekka
      @peacemekka Год назад

      @@Daniel_VolumeDown nice

  • @ForeverZer0
    @ForeverZer0 Год назад +4

    The only significant difference between distros is the package manager, of which there are only actually a few "grandfather" distros that all others inherit from. Everything else is universal.

  • @x0rn312
    @x0rn312 Год назад +3

    Titus doesn't really understand Kali.
    The point is that when you're on a pentest or something like that there are numerous reasons that it's not ideal to start downloading a bunch of tools.( time, footprint, etc)
    You want your pentesting setup to be ready to go.
    It's just not for the same purpose as these daily drivers he's talking about so comparing them doesn't make sense.

  • @George_K1
    @George_K1 Год назад +11

    Hey Titus, I loved your video on how you showed finding and installing Plain Debian Just like you install Windows or any other Operating System, doing a clean install and then one can add anything to it. And I liked how you poked at Debian people making it a challenge finding the install file. Good Work... You got my support.

  • @LearningTech96
    @LearningTech96 2 месяца назад +3

    I’ve been dabbling with Linux for about a year now and I am just now getting to the point of understanding that I have basically just been playing around with varying styles of debians my entire time.
    Went from Pop!_OS to Ubuntu LTS to mint and back to Pop. All just reskinned Debian

  • @Thee_Dr_Evil
    @Thee_Dr_Evil Год назад +5

    There can be only one, Slackware (I kid, I kid) but it was the first distro I ran for any time back in the early 2000's.

  • @owlmostdead9492
    @owlmostdead9492 7 месяцев назад +9

    Or you just use openSUSE and you have everything? It’s not obscure.

    • @no_name4796
      @no_name4796 2 месяца назад

      Zypper is just the slowest fucking package manager
      And it's very limited in capabilities

    • @RyuzakiPragmatico
      @RyuzakiPragmatico Месяц назад

      I use OpenSuse for everything, except servers

  • @williamnessanbaum7464
    @williamnessanbaum7464 Год назад +5

    Mint and Zorin are both developed in Ireland. Perhaps the two would merge or at least work together.

  • @LionWithTheLamb
    @LionWithTheLamb Год назад +5

    I've said for a while that Linux Distros are like different trim levels in cars. Most of them use the same base (Debian, Arch, Fedora), but then the included options and stylings are different.

    • @joemann7971
      @joemann7971 11 месяцев назад +1

      Kinda, but some of them are just literally the same trim with a different coat of paint. Coats of paint become kind of redundant when you can easily paint the car whatever color you want, and even customize it. It's not quite as easy as changing the car paint in a video game car editor, but certainly a lot easier than a real life coat of paint on a real car.

    • @no_name4796
      @no_name4796 2 месяца назад

      Yeah at the end of the day the real difference in distros is the package manager.
      I like fedora's dnf sadly, otherwise i would have left fedora to avoid all redhat bs

  • @lindenhawthorn4761
    @lindenhawthorn4761 Год назад +2

    All the time people waste distro-hopping could be spent learning shell. Being a shell wizard is what really unlocks the power of a computer.

  • @johanngambolputty5351
    @johanngambolputty5351 Год назад +2

    Missed opportunity for an astronaut meme:
    Wait, its all forks? Always has been...
    Or a warner brothers meme:
    Well, that's all forks!

  • @LumpyMoose
    @LumpyMoose 7 месяцев назад +2

    I’m really frustrated. I’ve evaluated 57 different distros and tried 20+ over a year. Every single one has had an update issue causing a problem at one point or another. I’m fed up with it. I just want something like macOS that I can put on x86 systems that just works. If anything like what has happened to me with linux ever happened on a mac there would be uproar. TBH I don’t think any linux distro comes close, but I still want to find the least awful distro to stick to. I’m very close to permanently giving up on linux, and forgetting it even exists at this point.

  • @methanbreather
    @methanbreather 2 месяца назад +1

    you only need three:
    opensuse for the newbies with good documentation (also it does not use selinux, which is always a big plus)
    gentoo for those who need control
    slackware for those who want it oldschool

  • @OcteractSG
    @OcteractSG Год назад +5

    MX Snapshot is one tool that makes MX Linux legitimately a different distro from Debian. (It’s funny to say that, because it’s actually very close to being just Debian in every other way.) The other MX tools are easier to get working, from what I have heard. Of course, there was the issue of non-free drivers, but Debian has finally made that easier in their latest stable release. But anyway, the MX Linux users who use MX Snapshot are justified in using MX Linux.

    • @nordicbastard2328
      @nordicbastard2328 Год назад +2

      Not only that, but their AHS (advanced hardware support) flavors are great -- allowing you to run current hardware that might not have even booted Debian. Bought a Framework laptop when they first came out and MX KDE ran fine from day one.

    • @OcteractSG
      @OcteractSG Год назад

      @@nordicbastard2328 Yeah, it's a nice feature. Since I have an older device, I do wish that their KDE edition came with a non-AHS option.

  • @obsoletepowercorrupts
    @obsoletepowercorrupts Год назад +11

    The 4 distros roots from which other distros tend to be built can be seen as Slackware (such as Suse), Debian, Gentoo (such as Pardus), and Fedora-RedHat. A great thing about Suse is that it can be purchased for the home _(without need to buy a "meant primarily for Server OS")_ with X-Amount of years support _(and multiple peole have bought it on a Disk as an OS)._ It also means there is a different entry-level for Slackware so people who wish to set up a home server _(or even desktop if they then feel confident enough to do the tweaking)_ and want to go through the Slackware manual can do so and yet can use their other computer for (Open) Suse. People want to fun linux distros in different ways (such as a simple Suse purchase), even of they are seeking to contribute money to Slackware and Debian via the make-contribution route. Another thing that is so great about Slackware is the kernel versions which stand the test of time. Also this affects dependency trees if people so wish to use software that way. One must be mindful of containers which, whilst good, are really _"another part of security"_ and not a replacement for security. Another thing to appreciate about Slackware is the way it does not do 32bit WINE out of the box without changing things when you run a 64bit version. Some people like that known-quantity approach. Not every NIC will work without something like NDISWrapper or similar added software (wrapper-class or otherwise), and thereby in lighter weight systems of Slackware a benefit of using an older 100Mbps NIC RJ45 ethernet card _(and yes, specifically that, and not talking about a 1Gbps NIC)_ is the smaller driver size of a 100Mbps NIC one tends to find. there is of course nostalgia and it is OK to use a distro for it being fun. Using Slackware and (Open) Suse over the years hits the spot in that regard and it is older after all. The new Microsoft online Linux instances a person can rent is an example of how one might use that deliberately to link and somewhat replicate a Microsoft server (e.g. 2012 or 2016) online as a Linux system but also a person might still ,nonethless also have a RHEL server online hosting space rented so as to have contingency, and also because it is overtly nostalgic to link a MSwindows desktop home PC (and linux box) to an online Red Hat server because much of the internet ran that way. And there might be some CGI and perl despite some people finding it hard to read. Nostalgia can be a temporal disparity where dispairty is a motivator. As soon as people might try to say they regard Linux solely for the meritocracy of technical solutions, if pressed on the issue as to whether they "love linux", they'd often have to agree with that alliteration. There seems to be a prevalent dichotomy posed that Linux is used instead of MSWindows for either meritocratic reasons of philosophical (potentially political) reason so as to socially engineer an agenda, but in reality many people use Linux for the reason that they hold an affectionate fondness for it. It is a way of thinking, such that a mentality burgeons from coding style and system set-ups, motivating learning. Yanks largely didn't "get" the Commodore Amiga, and yet here ins the British Isles and Europe we kept saying _"We love your computer"._ Escaping into the registers reading the magazines to _"improve your hex life"_ for coding tutorials or awaiting with a friend the next envelope stuffed with demoscene floppy disks and a note from the coders compels decisions to have emotions in them wanting to interogate yet more data or find new ways to relive it. People don't always remember facts (like homework) of what a person said but they tend to remember how a person made them feel. I'm not alone in knowing that when I can commit something to memory, and when I can remember, finally I can feel again. That is what escaping to the registers does. That is what they linux server linked to a desktop PC can do too. When something lost is regained, disparity can be a motivator. It is of that insatiable hunger craving for more knowledge.
    A distro is not just a different take on a kernel either but also a different with a shell. It is perhaps even more helpful to impart this concept to a person when describing how one might use BSD without using the Bourne Again Shell. People sometimes are shy to admit their emotive rationale behind their desire for Linux, and, at that, Linux makes people bashful. Be honest, Linux users, to the questions, _"Why are you here?"_ So the answer can easily include sentiment, _"For I long to be"._

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 Год назад +11

      Uuuuugh, please have more paragraphs...

    • @peacemekka
      @peacemekka Год назад +4

      Gentoo probably does not have many spins. I don't know where they use it or if they even use it out in the real world.
      I used to run it as my main working machine and I like the appeal of tailoring packages to your hardware and 'minimal' system but eventually felt the compilation was getting tiring. The resource usage on the system was very good though. One day it broke because there was this dependency bug in one of the package trees and I got stuck in a very bad dependency hell. I switched cause I was bored. But had a good time and can confidently say that I did like it. But its not for me. Its a very good Distro for learning though. Just a layer above LFS.

    • @skelebro9999
      @skelebro9999 Год назад +4

      my brother in Christ, you wrote a whole blog post 💀

    • @BruceCarbonLakeriver
      @BruceCarbonLakeriver Год назад +1

      @@peacemekka I had the same issue with Gentoo, since then I use it with BTRFS and Snapper Tools. After 10 years of Linux I just came to this "big brain move" a few years ago xD
      But I could f... every dependency hell by simply reload the past system state and check out what was/is the reason. This snapper tool is a godsent!

    • @peacemekka
      @peacemekka Год назад

      @@BruceCarbonLakeriver that is a good idea. I didn't know much about snapshotting back then. Maybe I'll give it a try one day.

  • @Err-G
    @Err-G 3 месяца назад +1

    There is Devuan Linux, Artix Linux that are forks but aren't just "some fork with different packages installed" you can't just intall debian and transform it into Devuan the same is for Artix...
    There is void linux, it is not a fork, it's great, very minimalistic and it does not depend on gnu libc.
    Gentoo and Slackware are linuxes that still to this day very appealing for learning more how does linux works.

  • @_Verac
    @_Verac 4 месяца назад +1

    Arch for cutting edge, Redhat for production servers, Debian for stability, and Nix has it all.

  • @luigigaminglp
    @luigigaminglp Месяц назад +2

    The major thing that distinguishes Nobora from Fedora is how much it integrates stuff like ProtonGE or an easy nvidia installer.

  • @UltraZelda64
    @UltraZelda64 3 месяца назад +2

    SUSE has been around in some form for like three decades. Not sure how it can be classified as obscure or niche, unless you're going based purely on perceived popularity and trying to pit it up against Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat-based and Arch. openSUSE is one of those distros that I don't think gets enough respect.

    • @__________5243
      @__________5243 14 дней назад

      I agree. My first experience with Linux was buying a copy of SUSE Linux in a box at Best Buy over twenty years ago. I still use openSUSE, just recently switched to Tumblweed. I love it. Never have any problems with it and my wife uses it for gaming.

  • @BruceCarbonLakeriver
    @BruceCarbonLakeriver Год назад +3

    It drives you nuts?
    How about taking some things into consideration:
    A distribution might be just a post install configuration and the choice of a package manager but this is just the technical side of things.
    Linux, like every OS which is out there and able to be used as a desktop OS, is for human beings and humans make experiences, considering a distribution as a look and feel and a determined collection of experiences will make it clear why they are more different than they are by just technical means.
    A bit of a feeling might soot through considering close forks like Debian to Ubuntu or Ubuntu to Linux Mint but in general there is a ton of background work on any distro which just didn't poof away but is determining the experiences constantly.
    This isn't a super deep thought big brain philosophical take but a rather pragmatic one which can be done pretty easily with a tiny bit of thinking about the questions and why they are appearing all the time and everywhere. Something you can't unsee and something you're talking about in this video, there is that.
    Based on that reason I'd bet that many ppl would have issues with "you can get rid of most Linux distros...". Many would blink an eye and many might get turned away from Linux after such a nightmare.

  • @TheDecodedMatter
    @TheDecodedMatter 2 месяца назад +1

    Recently I understood that its the DeskTop environment that makes them stand out from each other for NewBies.

  • @ltxr9973
    @ltxr9973 7 месяцев назад +2

    Best Linux distro? The one you have currently installed! Just customize that one. But yeah, I feel like bleeding edge packages work much better for desktop and gaming use. I really only use "stable" repos for servers. OpenSUSE makes me nostalgic, that what was like the 2nd distribution I tried back in 2006 when they put a CD in a computer magazine. Kali Linux for production use? No. That's like running your production website on XAMPP. Totally agree on the distrohopping. It's like people are looking for the best defaults instead of customizing their system.

  • @ShaferHart
    @ShaferHart 7 месяцев назад +2

    Problem with Fedora is that it has a *very fast* release cycle. Basically you don't have a choice after a year or so so your main OS stops getting updates and it's considered legacy. If after a year you don't feel like you want to upgrade or don't want to potentially face offline time on your main machine where you work because of some problem during the upgrade process then you're out of luck. If you're going to use it using btrfs on your root partition will give you the most flexibility come upgrade time.

    • @honkhonkler7732
      @honkhonkler7732 6 месяцев назад

      I don't see that as much of a problem for a typical ender user desktop. It allows them to focus their development efforts on moving the Linux desktop forward rather than spending time patching old releases that will never see new features or functionality. Their hardware support is also excellent and I've never run into issues like with Debian where an upgrade to a newly released GPU architecture renders my system unusable because they take forever to support new stuff. I was also an early Wifi 6 adopter and faced the same issues there. If I'm putting together a server installation where the hardware will stay pretty much the same and desktop features don't matter at all, Debian or other slow moving enterprise distros with LTS releases make the most sense.

  • @t0uchme343
    @t0uchme343 4 месяца назад +1

    Forks just save time for people who don't want to dip too deeply into the how it works, as long as it works.

  • @jamesdenson4730
    @jamesdenson4730 3 месяца назад +1

    Came upon this video very late. I no longer use any RH distros. I also avoid the SuSE distros only because of the overall situation with them. I like Debian and at work I use Ubuntu since that is the selected distro there. But I have used Slackware for 31years and still love it. Slackware was the first Linux build I ever did in 1993.

  • @setoman1
    @setoman1 11 месяцев назад +2

    By that logic, LFS is the only distro that matters.

  • @StupidusMaximusTheFirst
    @StupidusMaximusTheFirst 4 месяца назад +1

    I mainly agree with what you say. It's mainly those basic flavors... although Ubuntu does give you the simplicity of Debian with more up-to-date software, and then I don't know I'm not a fan of Arch, it kinda defeats the purpose. Arch is basically a precompiled Gentoo-made-easy. Either you wanna build a system the way you want it, or you want it ready made and precompiled. Arch is like trying both, as if standing in the middle. Not unlike what you said for Kali linux, which I agree - why not do this in Debian? Sounds like someone wants to be a security expert and has no idea on what he needs - preinstalled packages won't help you, try reading first. In the same way, Arch users wanna have a system exactly the way they want it, up to every aspect of it, yet they want everything ready made and served - again, this won't help them, why not try reading and actually do this themselves using Gentoo or even LFS if they wanna make their own distro. Having said all this, I'm actually a long time user of Hannah Montana Linux.

    • @AnthonyManzio
      @AnthonyManzio 2 месяца назад

      2010 windows 7 64 bit, 6 ram, hard drive 500gb. Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz, 1600 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
      Which free distro should i use, I'm using windows 10 right now not into gaming? Do I remove windows 10, how to install?

    • @StupidusMaximusTheFirst
      @StupidusMaximusTheFirst 2 месяца назад

      @@AnthonyManzio Use Hannah Montana Linux. She comes to your house and installs herself.

    • @AnthonyManzio
      @AnthonyManzio 2 месяца назад

      @@StupidusMaximusTheFirst lol

  • @mucklus
    @mucklus 8 месяцев назад +1

    Chris, have you decided to write an alternate history of Linux?))))))))

  • @Raptor-y9f
    @Raptor-y9f 29 дней назад

    I've been installing several different Linux distros on my computers; Ubuntu, Pop OS, Fedora, Mint and now Garuda. I've came to the same conclusion you did. I just wish I came across this video sooner.

  • @mrkrud
    @mrkrud 4 месяца назад +1

    I do still like the odd distro hop. It's looking at these sets of decisions that brings the value. There's my hacked up sketchy idea and then there's trying something someone has dumped a few years of their life into. That comparison leads to the "nailed it" version that I incorporate into my own workflow. I've come full circle back to just using emacs and a browser these days but maybe that foray into qubes can influence the way I set up my vms and containers next round... What can we learn from the immutable distros that we want to implement on our vanilla debian and arch builds? Yes you can make your own but the top distros are the best recipes perfected over time by master linux chefs.

  • @wyfyj
    @wyfyj Год назад +2

    Gentoo user here. I totally agree with most take of this. Gaming I use Pop!OS and couldn't be happier

  • @dragonwood4562
    @dragonwood4562 5 месяцев назад +1

    I've spent the past couple years distro hopping, trying to find a distro that works for me.
    What I've discovered is that most are the same core with a different face.
    My personal take is that what I need is Debian and to just install the packages I need.

  • @rdsii64
    @rdsii64 4 месяца назад +1

    I remember when you could buy OpenSuSE in a box from Fry's electronics.

  • @needsLITHIUM
    @needsLITHIUM Год назад +8

    OpenSUSE is like a weird hybrid of Fedora with some of the functionality and stability that is closer to Debian. There are other oddball distro branches like the Mandriva/Mandrake, which is itself a fork of SUSE. Some of the forks from there get... bizarre. PCLinuxOS is a good example of something strange. I actually kinda like it, but it would never be my daily driver. It uses RPM packages, but then uses APT and SynapticQT for package management (Default DE is KDE).

    • @mytech6779
      @mytech6779 7 месяцев назад

      openSuse is rather nicely put together, it has the best behaved graphical installer, and a very nice default KDE if you want KDE. It also seems to keep a good selection of packages thanks to its enterprise sibling. I'd certainly recomend OpenSuse to new users before many other distros. (And I stopped recommending Ubuntu 10 years ago. Canonical just went down a strange rabbit hole and doesn't cooperate with the rest of the community.)
      Debian is great once its setup, this is being typed on a 5 year old Debian install, but a lot of things are not included out of the box and need to be set manually, you don't even get sudo on a fresh Debian; this is not a flaw, Debian has very good reasons for this barebones configuration, but it does not suit all use cases and would be a deal breaker for many new users. (eg I don't use it as my standby liveusb.)

  • @costafilh0
    @costafilh0 Год назад +2

    Can't wait to NEED only ONE and finally switch forever;

  • @linuxsbc
    @linuxsbc Год назад +4

    I largely agree. I technically "distro hopped" by switching my Fedora Workstation to a custom build of uBlue (basically a more customizable Fedora Silverblue), but that's just a slight change so I can get the atomic updates of OSTree.

  • @hand-eye4517
    @hand-eye4517 6 месяцев назад +1

    you have to include gentoo as well because you have really high level control over every piece of the install! its likely just a highly customized Debian but still deeper than stock!

    • @christopher9727
      @christopher9727 6 месяцев назад

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  • @Scoopta
    @Scoopta 4 месяца назад +1

    I'm a debian sid user...I use debian for the cutting edge. I specifically do this for apt and other debianisms that don't translate to arch. I tried arch, I'm too familiar with the debianisms to move and it just isn't worth it to me.

  • @plutorocks1
    @plutorocks1 Год назад +2

    OpenSUSE fan base really not having good times hearing Titus words this time.

    • @Nuka-Rebel
      @Nuka-Rebel Год назад

      Yeah, because he's dead wrong on that take. But it's fine we can't be right all the time.

  • @bm1066
    @bm1066 4 месяца назад +1

    The thing is, I realize Mint and MX Linux and Zorin are forks, but using Debian is harder for me because I do not know enough to add in the things that Debian is missing that come with Debian forks like Linux Mint. (I haven't really tried out any Arch based distros or Fedora, etc.)

  • @xrphqlic9763
    @xrphqlic9763 8 месяцев назад +1

    I've been running GENTOO since 2004! Couldn't be happier:)

  • @OtakuGenx
    @OtakuGenx 3 месяца назад +1

    I agree there are too many distros and think there should be just a few. Distrowatch is CRAZY long.

  • @y34r
    @y34r Год назад +2

    Coming from window 10 , i have tried Debian and it was the most logical choice for me. Music production and Video edit are my mainpoint , so i need stability in my main desktop. Ubuntu Studio LTS is so great!.

  • @charlesmangum3108
    @charlesmangum3108 2 месяца назад

    I knew what my requirements were, researched, then chose a distribution. I is happy.

  • @samcoleman8275
    @samcoleman8275 11 месяцев назад +2

    Dear Titus: It seems everyone says that Debian based distros have old packages. This is true when it comes to Debian stable. However, do you think that you could do a legit comparison between ARCH and a Debian version that is more in alignment with ARCH (i.e. ??Debian Experimental, Debian Unstable, Debian Testing or Siduction). It gets a little old when the ARCH fanboys crap on the granddaddy of them all: DEBIAN. BTW thanks for having the stones to speak your opinion - I really enjoy the channel - and most of the time I agree with you.

  • @motoryzen
    @motoryzen Год назад +7

    Im thinking Linux Mint, Vanilla Os, Arch, and Fedora would literally cover 95 percent of all Linux necessities

    • @bionic-beaver
      @bionic-beaver Год назад +7

      Actually any distro that's is correctly maintained and isn't for a specific use will cover all the needs for Linux, it's a matter of convenience if you want either a rolling release or a more stable distro, but in the end all of them are pure Linux

  • @irreadings
    @irreadings 2 месяца назад

    And Gentoo for learning. Don't forget that.
    (But not for any kind of realistic usage unless it's gonna be a system that almost never changes)

  • @AwakenedPhoenix309
    @AwakenedPhoenix309 Год назад +4

    There are maybe a dozen viable desktops and a couple hundred science projects. That's a bit reductionist, but it's the mindset I have when recommending Linux. And when recommending - if I'm not dealing with a gaming or tech enthusiast, Mint or Pop OS. Given how little difference there is under the hood between so many distros, the community HEAVILY overcomplicates things. It's rare you have a distro that does something so unique with their own customizations or toolset that it will matter to the average user (or even most niche users).

    • @needsLITHIUM
      @needsLITHIUM Год назад

      For the partially tech literate or tech illiterate, I usually recommend Fedora Silverblue, Fedora Kinoite, or EndlessOS (OSTree immutable distros that use Flatpak) as they are basically desktop Linux packaged the same way as AOSP-x86. For the situation you described, Mint and Pop OS are also my go-to recommendations, along with MX Linux. Speaking of, for people who need something more like ChromeOS, PrimeOS or BlissOS (both full desktop android-x86) are my go-to. I have other specialized use distros for people just doing one or two things, but otherwise any distro can be molded to fit any use case or general need. These are the easiest to get rolling.

  • @k4everut
    @k4everut Год назад +3

    I'm glad that you caveated that if you already know Linux, then there is no need to distro hop. Most of the different distros are for lazy people who don't want to take the time to do some minor theming or make some changes to some configuration files. They just want someone else to do it for them.

    • @FoxyDrew
      @FoxyDrew Год назад +4

      Or, to view it from a "normal" perspective, and not a "gatekeeper linux dweeb" perspective - these distros offer great Linux installations with no effort required.
      If your new to Linux, but want to swap to Linux, you can't expect someone to do crazy amounts of research and learn how every distribution/desktop environment works and how to customize them to your content. Some people actually have lives to live.
      Think about it like a car -- there's no reason to pay someone to fix your engine? What are you lazy? Just do a bunch of research, learn how to fix the engine yourself, and then spend the next few days doing it yourself, easy as that right? Everyone has a car just like everyone has a computer - so no excuse not to learn exactly how it all works and is put together at a core level - right?
      Except thats wildly impractical. People have lives to live, and things to do. Linux Mint and PopOS exist for a reason, and they're justified.
      Or a distro like Nobara - actually patching the kernel and implementing fixes and optimizations. I've been using linux for 2-3 years, and I still don't know how to compile a kernel from source with user modifications added in, because thats so niche, why the heck would I? Also I live one of those aforementioned "lives" and it hasn't seemed worth my time.

    • @k4everut
      @k4everut Год назад

      @FoxyDrew Seems like you're taking this personally, and I don't know why. It's funny you used a car analogy because I'm a computer nut and a car nut. Changing a car's engine is a herculean task that can take days of preparation and execution. Changing the desktop environment in Linux literally takes about 5 minutes. It only takes 2 minutes to change a theme or about 30 seconds to change an icon set. Nowadays, just about every distribution includes all of the drivers your computer will need in the kernel, so there is no need to compile one yourself.
      This is all that the distributions based on the same branch offer; a different desktop environment with slightly different theming and a different set of applications. You can do all of this yourself in a matter of minutes by just running a few commands you can find on the internet. Why waste hours switching from Xubuntu to Kubuntu or Ubuntu to Linux Mint, which not only requires a new installation but also requires moving all of your files over and reinstalling and reconfiguring all of your applications? Once you know Linux, you know to select a distribution that is close to the parent distribution's configuration or just select the parent distribution and make the necessary changes yourself.

    • @costascostas1760
      @costascostas1760 Год назад +1

      ​@@k4everut you are both right, the majority of things in linux are easy to change. But sometimes you want someone else to curate everything so you can focus on other things. I have spent time checking which wallpaper fits well with which theme and which icon set etc. Many times I mess things up and things don't look good. And much of distro hoping for me is to try different desktop environments, not just themes. Tried installing gnome xfce and kde together and I ended up with 3 different themes in applications. 😅 for real, distro hoping is great once in a while

    • @k4everut
      @k4everut Год назад +1

      @Costas Costas I'm not saying that it's bad for new users or for users who want to try out something new. I occasionally download a live USB of a new distribution to check it out, play around with a different desktop, and see what tweaks the maintainer made. If I like the desktop or the tweaks, I'll make the changes to my original build. Or, if I have new hardware that's not working with my build, I'll use a live USB from another distribution to see if there is a kernel parameter or driver I'm missing to get the hardware to work, then I will install that driver or add that parameter to my build. In fact, I just did this yesterday with a new Bluetooth keyboard I bought that wasn't working. I'm on Arch, but I tried out Fedora, Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE live USBs to see if the keyboard worked with any of them. Turns out that I just needed to activate the Caps Lock key for it to work.
      So, I'm definitely not against trying out a different distribution on a live USB out of curiosity, to try a new DE or theme, or to troubleshoot hardware. I just think that once you know what you're doing in Linux, it's easier, faster, and requires less data loss to just figure out what the new distribution maintainer did and implement it on your build.

    • @costascostas1760
      @costascostas1760 Год назад

      @@k4everut ok I get you now, I absolutely agree

  • @exaq
    @exaq Год назад +1

    i went from linux mint with cinnamon de as my first distro to arch with dwm after using mint for like 2-3 days and i'm loving arch so far

  • @terror403
    @terror403 Год назад +5

    Debian, Redhat, Slackware, Arch = main distros.
    Nutyx, Void, Slitaz = exotic distros.
    Basicly, if distro is not a fork, it's from scratch

    • @AnthonyManzio
      @AnthonyManzio 2 месяца назад +1

      2010 windows 7 64 bit, 6 ram, hard drive 500gb. Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz, 1600 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
      Which free distro should i use, I'm using windows 10 right now not into gaming? Do I remove windows 10, how to install?

  • @Nofanboyz
    @Nofanboyz 3 месяца назад +1

    Experience taught me that Arch eventually breaks after updates. Much like Windows. I always use LMDE, pure Debian, or MX Linux KDE.

  • @vladyslavdiumin4124
    @vladyslavdiumin4124 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great video.🎉🎉❤❤Thank you for publishing it for all the Linux lovers and for the people who are deciding to watch the straw to hop in order to get the stability of work.❤❤

  • @oldradioguy65
    @oldradioguy65 4 месяца назад +1

    Mint and MX Linux are 2 of my favorites

  • @billbinder7754
    @billbinder7754 Год назад +1

    A lot of people don't seem to understand you can have Gnome AND KDE AND anything-really installed at the same time and just pick whatever at login time.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred Год назад +2

      You can even run Gnome and KDE at the exact same time. You just have to start up another X session.

  • @shatterstone3045
    @shatterstone3045 Год назад +6

    I just have some slight disagreements, more specifically about PopOS. It has a recovery partition, and that's something that makes it different. Overall, all of what you said is true, I'm just commenting on the topic. Also, OpenSUSE, while a bit niche, actually makes for a pretty good desktop. And I'd say the only distros, other than the main 3 (Debian, Fedora and Arch) that can ever be considered for a desktop system (pretty much niche and/or enthusiast only) are: OpenSUSE, NixOS, Gentoo non-systemd distros (Void, Artix and Devuan), and FSF distros (Only Guix, Trisquel and Parabola imo). That's it. There are no other desktop distros, in my opinion that are worth ever considering.

    • @billeterk
      @billeterk Год назад

      I’d add Slackware just for historical nostalgia

    • @shatterstone3045
      @shatterstone3045 Год назад

      @@billeterk Fair enough. Slackware is the oldest maintained distro, after all

    • @Daniel_VolumeDown
      @Daniel_VolumeDown Год назад

      I wonder how good alpine linux would be for desktop

    • @shatterstone3045
      @shatterstone3045 Год назад

      @@Daniel_VolumeDown Alpine is incredibly minimal and has quite a lot of packages, so I'm guessing it would make a pretty good desktop

  • @peterschmidt9942
    @peterschmidt9942 Год назад +5

    I started out on Ubuntu and Linux Mint (like most). Once I got the hang of things and wanted something more up to date, I used Arch for a while (Manjaro). But got frustrated with their bad updates. I tried a few other Arch distros, but still had issues. I tried Fedora and that seems to be the happy medium between stable and bleeding edge. Infact it was Fedora, then Nobara (but there was a couple things I that didn't work for me), back to Fedora then Ultramarine when they put out a KDE version. Other than their funky layouts, I like it (but you can switch layouts pretty easy in UM). And its basically just Fedora with non-free repos enabled for you and non free drivers.

  • @noithinknot4583
    @noithinknot4583 Год назад +1

    I daily drove slackware for a couple of years, and quite liked it. I've been away from linux for a few years now though.

  • @manpreetkaursandhu2363
    @manpreetkaursandhu2363 Год назад +3

    Ngl garuda Linux and nobara is so far my top fav and is the best so far no matter distro i try i always come back to either one of these two Garudas snapper is something which i like the most the great and awesome looks default integration of wayland being the rolling distro and that too arch based garuda is the best and nobara is like fedora but on steriods and a bit easier to set up

    • @BruceCarbonLakeriver
      @BruceCarbonLakeriver Год назад +2

      Agree and writting this comment from a Garuda dragonized KDE computer. It is my main and daily driver, for almost one and a half years, no issues yet. And in case of something bad happens I've got my snapper tools at hand thanks to btrfs ^^

  • @MrG0CE
    @MrG0CE 3 месяца назад +1

    I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH U !
    I JUST INSTALLED WHATEVER SET OF PAKAGES SUITED FOR ME IN ARCH AND IT'S BEEN ALMOST 4 YEARS !
    NOW I'M WAITING TO GIMP 3.0 TO DO THIS AGAIN AND COMPLETELY MOVE TO WAYLAND FOR ANOTHER UPCOMING YEARS !

    • @1Lll_llllllLLLLllllll_llL1
      @1Lll_llllllLLLLllllll_llL1 3 месяца назад +1

      did ur arch broke in 4 years?

    • @MrG0CE
      @MrG0CE 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@1Lll_llllllLLLLllllll_llL1A PROBLEM NOT RELATED TO ARCH, BUT TO MY SPECIFIC LAPTOP, OCCURRED LIKE 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO WHEN THE BLUETOOTH AND THE WIFI DIDN'T WORK SIMULTANEOUSLY, SO I SWITCHED FROM THE LINUX KERNEL TO THE LINUX-LTS KERNEL AND WAITED UNTIL THEY FIXED THAT, WHICH THEY DID IN LIKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND EVERYTHING WENT FINE AGAIN.
      THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE GRUB LIKE A YEAR OR 2, WHERE WE, USERS GOT INFORMED THAT WE SHOULD UPDATE THE CONFIG FILE EVERY TIME GRUB GETS UPDATED. I DIDN'T GOT AFFECTED BUT THEY POSTED WHAT TO DO IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED.
      THAT'S ALL, 2 MINOR THINGS ALONG THIS 4 YEARS, AND MY PC RUNS AS FAST AS ON ITS 1ST DAY !

  • @armandoq.p.7291
    @armandoq.p.7291 Год назад +1

    Everybody forgets Slackware

  • @matthiasbendewald1803
    @matthiasbendewald1803 Год назад +4

    You are mostly right, there is far too much focus on distributions and their tiny differences.
    But you forgot to mention the immutable distros. That is a different kind altogether and absolutely can work for a lot of use cases. And if you can live with the few limitations it is really superior in my opinion.
    I use tumbleweed on my Laptop, as it is as up to date as arch and as reliable as Debian. Okay, not exactly but good enough, for me at least.

    • @A_G420
      @A_G420 Год назад +2

      "But you forgot to mention the immutable distros."
      He said, "Normal users".
      I hear you though! :)

    • @matthiasbendewald1803
      @matthiasbendewald1803 Год назад

      @@A_G420 Okay, maybe my "normal user" is different from yours. For me the normal user is someone who uses his PC to do office stuff, surf the web and maybe use some progs to exit pictures, whatever. Maybe also gaming a bit. And for that I think immutable distros work awesome. My daughter does exactly that...

    • @A_G420
      @A_G420 Год назад +1

      @@matthiasbendewald1803 no, I agree with you.

  • @factsnfeatures
    @factsnfeatures 3 месяца назад +1

    The only Linux distro i have ever successfully daily drove was DSL back in the day. I was forced to use it because my laptop would throw a BSOD during any Windows installation and i happened to have a 64mb flash drive laying around. Fell in love with it but they stopped updating applications for it years ago. Thinking about giving Ubuntu Studio a fair shot. Not sure im comfortable with all the unsolicited AI Microsoft is shoving in my computer without me asking for it.

  • @epochphilosophy
    @epochphilosophy Год назад +1

    Poor OpenSuse getting looked over. Such a great distro.

  • @SomeYouTubeGuy
    @SomeYouTubeGuy 9 дней назад

    If you know linux all you need is a debian net installer, a terminal and a browser. You can install everything else.

  • @escapetherace1943
    @escapetherace1943 5 месяцев назад +1

    100% agree but some forks are good. For example MX. It just has really nice tools and for some reason runs better than pure Debian on absolute potato machines. Even a 2 thread toaster feels like it rips on MX.

  • @newplayer7743
    @newplayer7743 7 месяцев назад +1

    I realized this long time ago, that is why i only download iso under 800 MB. If the distro doesnt have minimal version, I probably will never use that distro.

  • @JoshuaRichards2010
    @JoshuaRichards2010 6 месяцев назад +1

    So I dual boot MX Linux (ahs enabled) and Manjaro. Ok I have triple boot with Windows 10 but don't use it often.

  • @Swastik_Sama
    @Swastik_Sama Месяц назад +1

    My laptop is so shit that even linux lags

    • @dariustakeda1609
      @dariustakeda1609 Месяц назад

      Use it Damn small Linux or even tiny core (or puppy Linux as live)

    • @Swastik_Sama
      @Swastik_Sama Месяц назад

      @@dariustakeda1609 Im currently using peppermint os and its working great

  • @DJNightchild
    @DJNightchild Год назад +2

    I mostly agree with Chris, I do want to add two distros to the mix though.
    1. RHEL based Linux (Alma Linux, Rocky Linux etc.) has a 10 years release cycle. Viable as a desktop system with EPEL, RPM Fusion and Flatpak enabled.
    2. Nobara Linux. While it is a fork of Fedora, it comes with many kernel patches and patches for xorg, mesa, xwayland etc. for a better gaming experience. Not everybody is capable of maintaining and patchig their own software. ;-)

  • @MadmusicalHulk
    @MadmusicalHulk Год назад +5

    Great video Chris... So true !! I've distro-hopped so many times in the past until as late as 2020 and have settled with Fedora as my main workstation. I still have a fondness and miss Solaris which was my first jump into the realms of non-windows systems. My backup pc runs Ghost-bsd of which I only use maybe 3 - 4 times a year and haven't updated it for almost 5 years.... If it ain't broke, don't fix it !!!

    • @peacemekka
      @peacemekka Год назад

      How much different is BSD from a typical Linux?
      I love my linuxes but the only exposure I've ever had of BSD has been with a Mac which is not really a BSD.
      I was interested in giving it a shot but stepped back cause I heard it has not so great support for laptop drivers especially Intel WiFi cards.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Год назад +2

      Any reason why you don't run a Solaris based system ?

    • @MadmusicalHulk
      @MadmusicalHulk Год назад +1

      @@autohmae no more support for Solaris. The kernel is quite old and wouldn’t support some of the new hardware now.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Год назад +2

      @@MadmusicalHulk I guess only illumos OpenIndiana still remains ? Everything else pretty much geared towards a server function ?

  • @sergeantsapient
    @sergeantsapient Месяц назад +1

    Sometimes it's a matter of which battles you're willing to fight. When I first started using Linux I couldn't get my AMD GPU to work on anything outside of Ubuntu or Pop OS. Pop OS bakes in the AMD drivers and the drivers available on AMD's website work specifically with Ubuntu (or at least they did at the time). There were supposedly other ways to install those drivers but I could never get it to work on any other distros.
    So yeah at the end of the day distros are just different ways of doing the same thing but some of them do a good job of taking some of the heavy lifting out of stuff that may not be trivial to everybody.

    • @usoppgostoso
      @usoppgostoso 16 дней назад +1

      Felt the same. Pop was my distro for several months, but I got new hardware, and it broke more than once after that. Went back to Ubuntu. I do miss Pop, though.

    • @sergeantsapient
      @sergeantsapient 16 дней назад

      @@usoppgostoso I still use it. In fact, I've installed it on my dual GPU laptop and my Microsoft Surface and have pretty much eliminated any semblance of Windows in my home. I've learned to troubleshoot most issues and having backups is useful.
      I will say if you're using Nvidia, as I was on my dual GPU, I ran into a lot of problems getting the GPU to do any actual acceleration but eventually realized you want to run the latest stable drivers.

  • @mlambrechts1
    @mlambrechts1 Год назад +1

    I use lx for desktop environment, i went from Red Hat to OpenSuse about 2005 then to Mint abt ten years ago. Still using it.

  • @perjohanaxell9862
    @perjohanaxell9862 Год назад +1

    I agree with this. It's also important to spread this message because it is confusing for those who are new to linux. Seems like there is an insurmountable amount of choses you have to make.
    If I understand it right though there is some distributions that actually does something different like fedora silverblue and vanilla os.

  • @benmuzzy2258
    @benmuzzy2258 Год назад +2

    Opensuse Tumbleweed user here. Been quite happy with it. Stability while getting frequent updates (rolling release).

    • @FoxyDrew
      @FoxyDrew Год назад +2

      I liked openSuse when I tried it - people who say it's the most polished distro to use with the KDE desktop aren't lying - but i hate zypper and Yast. Just a personal thing, don't slay me

  • @usoppgostoso
    @usoppgostoso 16 дней назад

    Great points. As much as all this is fascinating, since I’ve a job and a life, I can’t afford to have my SO break and look for workarounds all the time. After getting new pieces of hardware, I found myself using Ubuntu again, since my Pop broke twice in the process. Imagine having a system break while tweaking screen brightness. As for Debian, it’s my choice for servers and containers, but I just can’t be bothered to get my Desktop to just work as it should by putting hours into that. Doesn’t make me an expert, just a fool.
    I’d love to try Arch, if I ever get more time to waste on fun stuff like that. But I wonder if I can be productive with such a system.

  • @MorphicStates
    @MorphicStates 13 дней назад

    Fedora a stable release? Holy shit. I was spending more time troubleshooting it than using it after every patch. I switched to Debian and shit just works.

  • @kacperrutkowski6350
    @kacperrutkowski6350 Год назад +1

    I mostly agree with video, however would add Nix, Guix and Gentoo to the list, so more like 6 of them.

  • @MrQuay03
    @MrQuay03 3 месяца назад

    As much as people hate Snap anf Flatpak, those apps just work. No more missing dependencies, broken after update