yeah, it might not be S-tier, but it's definitely A or B. I tried Wezterm but went back to Konsole because Wezterm has something weird going with clipboard.
I agree. Or even made an actual voting system so that results could be quantified. The focus on terminals is interesting but this content is just lazy. You couldn't be bothered to try out the ones you didn't know anything about just for a bit??
It is wild to put st in F. For me the best feature of any app is having a simple/minimal base that is easy to extend. I am not even saying it should be S or A but putting it in F shows incompatibility of my taste/preferences with the "chat"
And warp is definitely F for me. So you rated st as F not knowing anything about it based on chat votes, but you have not listened to them for that one...
st stands for S Tier (terminal) but seriously its probably my favorite. It's even lighter on resources than urxvt, and xterm (at least that's what my system shows me when running them), but unlike those two it doesn't have the wierd kinda janky feeling when doing the things I want to do in my terminal. I actually love the patching part. I can add the features I wan't and it has a ton of choices for patching. For the most part I use st, and I use kitty if I ever feel like I need anything st can't do (which isn't much tbh).
100% agree. Ranking st in F tier without trying it says everything I need to know about this guy: he is not a terminal user. He probably uses more the mouse than the keyboard.
Hard configured Wezterm so much it just have the keybindings/movements for everything that might require to use TMUX.....even wezterm has inbuilt plugin managers .....im using wezterm-session-manager .....which helps me with the session ......Not great experience but it gets the job done .........I love Rusty product.....Loving Wezterm ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Like many others, I was using Kitty for years, but gave WezTerm a try ~6 months ago and never looked back. It has all the features I liked about Kitty, but a much cleaner config with Lua that makes it perfect choice for nvim users. I have been following ghostty progress for a while, so look forward to trying it (I also love Zig), but for now I am definitely a believer in WezTerm.
One problem with all this is that people rate things based on contextual stuff. GNOME terminal and Windows Terminal (which is open source by the way) are examples. People just don't like Windows or the GNOME desktop, but that should not be a valid reason to rate individual things. Another problem is that serious rating should always be done on individual aspects of things, such as performance or the number of features.
Foot is actually a really good terminal emulator! Its very fast and lightweight, which i actually needed on my low RAM laptop. I would be using wezterm, but it takes a lot of RAM
While the intent of this video is interesting, it completely falls apart in execution. Many terminals were disregarded simply by saying they don't have any wowing features without ever listing what those are. Even going as far as reading a summary made by AI without checking facts. On the other hand, many terminals were put at the forefront by saying they're great and have many great features, but again which features? Some features were mentioned, like: - Integrated AI assistant - Ligature support - Image rendering - Infinite scrolling - Performance - Panes - Hyperlink support - Special events support (like mouse clicks) But basically none of those were discussed, much less demonstrated. For example, why is it so important for a terminal to be able to render images? What does it mean for a terminal to be performant? And so on and so forth. Anyway. While the video is indeed entertaining thanks to your character, its content is worthless. I rank it F in my tier list.
People are way too negative when it comes to ranking nowadays. Like, why are perfectly good terminals in the lowest tiers Just because they don't "wow" chat? I would think the lower tiers would be reserved for actually bad terminals.
This tier list is also so subjective that it's hurt to watch. Terminals have job to do and lots of highly ranked terminals can't do it. Namely - text rendering with ansi/curses. Ghostty doesn't support dimmed colors, kitty doesn't support pretty much anything including **italics**. Yet they are higher ranked than gnome, which works as terminal ought to.
foot is the best it has the most features with least amount of ram required, I like to have multiple terminals opened at the same time (cmus, btop, newsboat, lf) and with the daemon/client feature, one foot sever (around 40 Mb in ram) hold all the process, and lightweight clients are served to show them, think tmux sessions but each is a full window on it's own
urxvt also has the same sort of daemon/client feature. On my machine, seems that with 6 terminals open currently, the entire thing is only taking up about 19MB RAM. urxvt is from back when something as simple as a terminal emulator couldn't afford to be more resource-intensive, but foot does seem like a great Wayland-native option, from everything I've heard.
Gnome (Terminal) - UX/UI for tablets should not be used on desktops and laptops with keyboard and mouse. D tier. Warp - THIS IS PAID KEYLOGGER. Donating with logo placement is called advertisement. Online accout required to connect to your intranet ssh devices... What's wrong with you? Wezterm - black screen on wayland. Weird behaviour on pasting text with new lines. B tier. Kitty - ULTRA TOXIC DEVELOPER. Do not report issues if you are not ready to be insulted. Python is not fast. D tier. Alacritty - hang on paste from vim. Issue 9 month without attention Ghostty - closed source. closed beta... I can bet it will be paid. F tier
This is great except for the Warp terminal. No matter how fancy it is, it shouldn't be in A. I am not sure about an F but definitely not A. Reasons: Requires login to even work, Closed source and ofcourse telemetry. Also you should check out Wave terminal.
That's true, but he was deciding based on the features it has And it was a little biased, because warp donates to foss projects, which makes them more respectable
@@no_name4796 I believe he was quite biased on this one(which he has all the right to be) and decided to brush aside the major flaws of the Warp terminal. He did try to justify this by saying things which shouldn't have affected the objective value of Warp terminal. Why does it matter if Warp supports open source or not when we are discussing the value of the terminal. As for the respect part, Microsoft also supports several open source products but that doesn't make them any more respectful. We should judge a product for what it is and Warp in my personal opinion is not a A-tier terminal. Forget all its other flaws. NO terminal should ever need to be required to be logged in to just get to the interface and use it. Period.
definitely disagree on the ST ranking, compiling does not take long at all, and it's not hard to configure, and it helps you learn how to patch programs and modify header files in C (not much harder than a regular config file), it's not for everyone, but it's certainly not F tier, i'd say it's A tier for the target audience.
Instead of rating the people behind the terminal or the company or the potential, how about rating the terminals themselves ? You dont have time to install and test them? Sorry but as a youtuber is that not what you have time for? I cant tell if you are trolling to get interaction but this was a little hard to watch. *well played* would love to have seen a mem use comparison in normal use. wezterm, foot and alacritty have big differences in system resource usage.
This is kind of a niche use case/feature, but it's worth mentioning that terminals built with libvte (xfce4-terminal, gnome terminal, terminator, probably a few others) have their own font-independent rendering system for the box drawing/geometric shapes/legacy computing unicode characters so that they always fit perfectly without any gaps, which only really matters if you do text mode art, but it's a big deal if you do text mode art.
Speaking as somebody who has used Linux since 1992, I really don't think that there is that much difference between terminal emulators, not enough to be worth a lot of trouble.
That's about the same time I started. I remember when rxvt came out and wow, unicode! These days I use Sakura mostly. why? no idea. I just started using it one day and it got the job done for me, so never bothered to change spend time looking for anything else.
Speaking as someone who loves curses and TUI since 2003, there is a massive difference between emulators. Wezterm for example uses dozens of colors to display A_BLINK'ed symbols. Kitty has terrible support for it, it doesn't even have italics. curs_attr(3x) list dozens of attributes that can be applied to text through curses alone. There are also ANSI sequences like strikethrough.
This video feels a bit lazy. I would actually love sole insight or at least table of features to campare them. Perhaps some good some bad atributes. Not just chat kinda randomly sayng aaa yea that one is D for no reason. Othervise i like your content.
Foot is insanely speedy. Nothing compares. I found wezterm to be slow, kitty to be slow. Like i start typing before terminal appears on the screen and that's bad. Only thing lacking is font ligatures. But i can live with that.
Powershell indeed sucks but Windows Terminal itself is pretty great recently. It recently got a new engine with many features like allows images to be displayed within the terminal. It's not a terminal that should be underestimated because of Windows or PowerShell.
st terminal is actually kinda nice. Sure patching is not for everybody but it does its job of being a simple terminal and actually helped me a lot to have it for work
Number 1 feature every terminal MUST have for me is to support dropdown style like Guake/Yakuake, where I can bind Ctrl+` key to bring it up from anywhere. I can't live without that lol
bro… you EXPOSED yourself and your CHAT as fodder noobs by giving st F tier. it’s the chad suckless terminal. the st literally stands for S TIER. git gud noob. 💪😏
Lol people saying eww to st and rating it an F, and saying meh to foot and rating it a C. With st it's minimal and good for tiling window managers using st-flexipatch you can even use sixel graphics. With foot terminal it's the only good terminal that is still minimal and supports sixel by default. If nobody knows what that is, you can list and display images in the terminal itself no need for extra installation or configs. You can even use lsix and it will list all images and print them directly. If nobody appreciates that then I guess there is no hope for humanity.
I think two very important criteria for good terminal emulators is (1) unicode, ligature and sixel support and (2) input latency. st has some of the best ligature and sixel support, and it also has the lowest input latency among all the X11 terminal emulators I have tested (you need to change a setting for it). I think it's easily the best, especially if you use a simple to configure fork of it like st-flexipatch
To me the top one is foot terminal. Really good client server architecture. Super light on resources. Ability to set title and class. Really fast. It has everything.
Patching and recompiling for st really isn't that difficult once you do it a couple of times. It really is great once you get it configured just right.
A terminal doesn't have to Wow me. It needs to function well and should have certain settings I might need. GNOME Terminal is that. That is my tool in this category as long as it exists.
I haven't tested a lot, always used what was included or recommend. Some day I read abbout GPU accelerated terminals, found 3 opengl powered terminals and took Alacritty from it. It just works for me. Fast as hell and no issues. Maybe because I just start tmux automatically when starting Alacritty. That's the best way for me to have just one dependency on a different machine (tmux) and not have to find myself in tinkering with any shortcuts.
iterm2’s ability to provide auto profile switching when logging onto a remote cluster is awesome! When I’m working on 8 different remote clusters … in identical directory structures, as either root or normal user, it’s so nice to instantly know the machine and user of the terminal ! There’s no way to get confused no matter how many times you exit, and log on, or what user you log on as ... The ability to apply a profile AUTOMATICALLY upon logon to a remote system is a MUST for me. I’m new to Linux (Fedora), but, does ANY other terminal in Linux match that one feature ? That one feature alone would place any terminal into the top category for me.
st in F is a violation oh my goodness its basically a terminal that you build on yourself, ontop of dwm, which you build onto yourself, ontop of so on and so on, it's what you make it, and it's amazing
Windows terminal is absolutely amazing. What sucks is Window's shells (both dos prompt and powershell), but the terminal app itself is probably the best one there is.
You said that alacritty is an amazing terminal, but a few reasons for that would be cool, because I am wondering a lot why people are so excited about it. It is just the speed?
Foot terminal server mode is impressive. You run it as a server, allowing it to handle all clients, so opening clients is nearly instantaneous. There's no need to spawn another instance since it's already running in the background as a service.
I don't use it but I'd have to say that foot is S tier. It's at least as fast as kitty/alacritty/wezterm but WITHOUT the use of hardware acceleration. The technology behind it is really cool. Very efficient with system resources. Rock solid terminal.
I think windows terminal got shafted a bit, compared to other Linux terminals, it's a bit behind, but some chatters putting WT bellow because of Powershell is a little disingenuous, a terminal emulator shouldn't be reviewed based on what shell it can run, but if it should, Windows Terminal can also use bash, or any UNIX shell for that matter if you run WSL2. Windows isn't a system made to be navigated with just a terminal, but even tho, MS made good, all around terminal, with pretty much every essential feature you would expect from a good terminal emulator, and if you're going to use it for developing in Linux using WSL2, it's works really well. It deserves at least an A.
@@typecraft_dev I think, and I may be wrong on this, but to me it seemed that those saying F, or B, were either memeing, because it's Microsoft, or were Linux users who never used it and were just trashing it, because it's Microsoft. And I get the sentiment, I also hate some of Microsoft's BS even tho I use Windows, but I still have to meet someone who actually uses WT on a daily basis and doesn't like it, it's a vast improvement compared to pure powershell or cmd, it's the best terminal emulator you can have on Windows by a long shot.
Yeah, back before I switched to Linux, I was honestly very happy with Windows Terminal. From the terminals I have personally used: Alacritty > Windows Terminal > Konsole > Gnome terminal
@@BrentMalice I’m sorry. With a seemingly dozen other ways to view images, I never tried getting this to work in Windows terminal. If I get time, I’ll look into this. A fresh pair of eyes may spot an option previously overlooked or recently added.
Tried Ghostty on my linux work laptop. But it seemed to have some kind of memory leak or similar. It became really sluggish after an hour running, so had to restart it a few times during the day. Went back to Kitty. It is just the best, hands down
same. I think the primary use case is what he’s using it for. just viewing what images are what, without relying on another program or relying of file names
I have to say, configuring st might be the hardest and it ig deserved low ranking but not last! Ik it's a personal preference. Anyway I use st for everyday use since I have a potato pc I have save up my resources for my browser and lsp. St did a great job at that. In my env st uses only 20mb ram. It also supports ALL THE FEATURES (all that i know of and use) of any terminal with least resource usage. But I can assure if I had a better device I'd have used kitty anyday and everyday (kitty isn't supported in my current device). Also Warp deserves a C.
Trying to cut through the noise...which there's a ton of on this topic. I love iTerm2 on macOS because I can simply create a freeform layout, close and restart the app, and everything was persisted and restored without a bunch of configuration, extra packages, etc. I want the tiling terminal for Linux that does this for me and looks good in Gnome. Terminator is a buggy, confusing mess. Tilix comes close but requires manually saving/opening layouts for restoring.
I had been having a hard time understanding the point of using a third-party terminal. Reading comments made me realize that Konsole being my default is the reason.
Many of the more advanced features are things I think should be included in the shell rather than in the terminal emulator; any form of autocomplete and fuzzy search feature should be in the shell. I can see that there are potentials for weird bugs if you use a shell with similar features as the terminal emulator.
As a Windows and .NET engineer for over a decade, I could not disagree more with the ranking for the VS Code Terminal. It's a solid B, and Windows Terminal as well. Your best friends are just hating, which I kinda hate Microsoft these days too, but you gotta stay objective and recognize that they still produce some pretty great developer tools. I'm not saying BEST by any means, but still solid and great.
This tier list is actually dog water Giving S tier without trying them is insane Give d or something low to xfce terminal bcs some KDE gnome zoomers tells it is insane too
I really loved wezterm but for whatever reason, for me, it had crazy issues with eating my inputs and random slow downs. Maybe it was an nvidia hardware thing or something. I've been pretty happy with foot ever since I switched though, feels much more lightweight.
I doubt that it's an Nvidia thing. I've used it on AMD (GPU and CPU), Intel (integrated graphics and CPU, AMD GPU and Intel CPU), M1 Mac. This on Windows, Linux and MacOS. I want to like it, but it never runs as smooth as other options do. Maybe I'll give it another shot tomorrow... I have an Nvidia GPU now. 😅
@@herrpez My thinking was that it probably had something to do with it being a hardware accelerated terminal, which I don't think many of the others are, but I could be wrong.
@@deathcare Alacritty is hardware accelerated too, and that runs like a dream on my work laptop, which is considerably less powerful than my home computer. That being said, Wezterm seems to be a little bit faster than before. My main gripe has always been how slow it's been to spawn new windows/tabs. It's still not as quick as my main terminal emulator, but it's at least not painful anymore. 😄 Will have to check it out at work as well, but it's a little bit harder to justify messing around with terminal emulators for the fun of it in that setting.
I know is an unpopular opinion but a terminal can't be S tier if you can't select text with your keyboard from the get go (yes, kitty). And I don't know what's all the hype to see images in their terminal, but I think that is a very secondary function for most heavy terminal users.
Windows Terminal is actually fantastic. I main pop_os, but when I have to use windows for work, I actually really enjoy it and kind of wish it was available for Linux.
Interesting, that you didn’t mention my favorite warp terminal features: editing the current command like in a text editor and copying the whole output of a command without selecting anything. Also jumping between outputs or to the beginning of an output block
What about good ol' xterm? What about that weird little popup terminal you used to get in win95 when you dial up to a router and have to sign in? Emacs eterm?
i think he means that because it’s AI powered, it’s essentially sending lots of your data to the cloud. whether it’s secure or not is a bit difficult to prove, although it is open source. in any case shell commands includes more information that you should be comfortable giving away
I mean, Zed also has a terminal that you can open Neovim in... Also, if you notice though, the VS Code emulator is not its own terminal emulator. It hooks into your default terminal emulator (same as Zed). They shouldn't count! Also RIP Konsole for apparently not even making the list lol.
Not including Konsole is insane.
I actually forgot about konsole completely. C tier
Ya I started with kde and after trying others I am so used to konsol I couldn't switch.
Yup. It has basically all features and it's included in kde.
It's not S tier, but it's at least B or even A tier in my opinion
@@no_name4796 ya I think a tier once you add zsh it does everything I need it to.
yeah, it might not be S-tier, but it's definitely A or B. I tried Wezterm but went back to Konsole because Wezterm has something weird going with clipboard.
Not a SINGLE mention that warp is actually closed source and needs an account to simply open.
F tier
Hey now, if you look up a terminal emulator and see it has enterprise pricing option, you know it's quality.
He wants to be sponsored.
look up wave terminal, its like warp but actually good
paid video
You throwing terminals in S tier without trying them is actually criminal.
Indeed, but at least it's a narrower list for others to try. 😉
This one is more of a chatfluence than his own personal ranking.
He did that with only _one terminal_ , though.
especially ghostty.. everyone is cargo culting that editor.. it is alright... but not on s tier...
I love the DeArrow title for this video
"My chat ranks terminals"
Lmaooo
any terminal that has telemetry should not land in the A tier....
That only makes it better
@@THE_TROLLS_WIN_BOY
nice try Bill Gates 😂
You can disable the telemetry now.
@@rabdpnguinit should be disabled by default.
@THE_TROLLS_WIN_BOY damn, that nearly worked lol
I respect you a lot, this video is low effort, plainly.
I have to agree to disagree. I cannot respect this guy after watching this video.
Bro has a parasocial relationship with his viewers instead of the other way around
I crave friendship
@@typecraft_devholler friend
Any Electron program is automatic F tier... Use the memory you commit, give the rest back... it's not that hard...
Exactly.
well, they do, it's just that they use a whole lot
@@kuhluhOG Not necessarily. I've seen Electron apps (one comes to mind which may rhyme with Notify) commit to 25G RAM, while "only" using 10G.
I mostly agree but I feel that edex-ui gets an exception for sheer awesome and the fact that it's not really meant to be practical anyway.
@@throwaway3227 Spotify is not an Electron app. That's like saying the Steam client is an Electron app just because it uses CEF.
the video idea would've worked better if you actually tried all terminals instead of asking chat and reading wikipedia
I agree. Or even made an actual voting system so that results could be quantified. The focus on terminals is interesting but this content is just lazy. You couldn't be bothered to try out the ones you didn't know anything about just for a bit??
It is wild to put st in F. For me the best feature of any app is having a simple/minimal base that is easy to extend. I am not even saying it should be S or A but putting it in F shows incompatibility of my taste/preferences with the "chat"
And warp is definitely F for me. So you rated st as F not knowing anything about it based on chat votes, but you have not listened to them for that one...
FR
st stands for S Tier (terminal)
but seriously its probably my favorite. It's even lighter on resources than urxvt, and xterm (at least that's what my system shows me when running them), but unlike those two it doesn't have the wierd kinda janky feeling when doing the things I want to do in my terminal. I actually love the patching part. I can add the features I wan't and it has a ton of choices for patching.
For the most part I use st, and I use kitty if I ever feel like I need anything st can't do (which isn't much tbh).
100% agree. Ranking st in F tier without trying it says everything I need to know about this guy: he is not a terminal user. He probably uses more the mouse than the keyboard.
Agree 100%
If it was competing in Linux, Windows Terminal would be a C, but in the Windows ecosystem it's a solid A
Warp's login is Z tier already.
Warp is utter garbage. Ugly, bloated, pain to configure, and loaded with misplaced web technology.
Wezterm's config is lua and it has hot reloading, it's tokyo drifting fast
Agreed. GPU accelerated, written in Rust, ligature support, so nice.
wezterm for me, definitely
Hard configured Wezterm so much it just have the keybindings/movements for everything that might require to use TMUX.....even wezterm has inbuilt plugin managers .....im using wezterm-session-manager .....which helps me with the session ......Not great experience but it gets the job done .........I love Rusty product.....Loving Wezterm ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Westerm is actually slow for old age laptops but anyway Westerm is great
Like many others, I was using Kitty for years, but gave WezTerm a try ~6 months ago and never looked back. It has all the features I liked about Kitty, but a much cleaner config with Lua that makes it perfect choice for nvim users. I have been following ghostty progress for a while, so look forward to trying it (I also love Zig), but for now I am definitely a believer in WezTerm.
One problem with all this is that people rate things based on contextual stuff. GNOME terminal and Windows Terminal (which is open source by the way) are examples. People just don't like Windows or the GNOME desktop, but that should not be a valid reason to rate individual things.
Another problem is that serious rating should always be done on individual aspects of things, such as performance or the number of features.
Foot is actually a really good terminal emulator! Its very fast and lightweight, which i actually needed on my low RAM laptop.
I would be using wezterm, but it takes a lot of RAM
you didn't try shit
Foot is criminally underrated. Faster than Alacritty with native image support. (No ligatures but I personally avoid them anyways).
people really like it!
And the foot config is dead simple. I think it's the default in sway, so you know it's clean.
@@typecraft_dev foot is sss tier for me
Foot and ghostty are easily the best two
+ nice Tmux integration
While the intent of this video is interesting, it completely falls apart in execution.
Many terminals were disregarded simply by saying they don't have any wowing features without ever listing what those are. Even going as far as reading a summary made by AI without checking facts.
On the other hand, many terminals were put at the forefront by saying they're great and have many great features, but again which features?
Some features were mentioned, like:
- Integrated AI assistant
- Ligature support
- Image rendering
- Infinite scrolling
- Performance
- Panes
- Hyperlink support
- Special events support (like mouse clicks)
But basically none of those were discussed, much less demonstrated.
For example, why is it so important for a terminal to be able to render images? What does it mean for a terminal to be performant? And so on and so forth.
Anyway. While the video is indeed entertaining thanks to your character, its content is worthless. I rank it F in my tier list.
Awwwwwwwe
People are way too negative when it comes to ranking nowadays. Like, why are perfectly good terminals in the lowest tiers Just because they don't "wow" chat? I would think the lower tiers would be reserved for actually bad terminals.
It's because something being mid is worse than something being bad.
@@jasonbeaver4381 No
This tier list is also so subjective that it's hurt to watch. Terminals have job to do and lots of highly ranked terminals can't do it. Namely - text rendering with ansi/curses. Ghostty doesn't support dimmed colors, kitty doesn't support pretty much anything including **italics**.
Yet they are higher ranked than gnome, which works as terminal ought to.
WARP: FFF
I use Konsole BTW.
Yup. Great terminal!
A tier in my opinion
Based. Coming from a wezterm enjoyer
Mee too. I think it can correct some subpixel stuff on oled screen. Atleast some special font rendering.
Honestly console suits my every need
Nothing else matters
foot is the best it has the most features with least amount of ram required, I like to have multiple terminals opened at the same time (cmus, btop, newsboat, lf) and with the daemon/client feature, one foot sever (around 40 Mb in ram) hold all the process, and lightweight clients are served to show them, think tmux sessions but each is a full window on it's own
urxvt also has the same sort of daemon/client feature. On my machine, seems that with 6 terminals open currently, the entire thing is only taking up about 19MB RAM. urxvt is from back when something as simple as a terminal emulator couldn't afford to be more resource-intensive, but foot does seem like a great Wayland-native option, from everything I've heard.
Moment of silence for our fellow developers who are still working with 128 MB RAM machines.
@@ultru3525 Amen
Should put on “include paid promotions” of you are gonna ride warp that much
You left out the terminal that makes all others obsolete: Terminator
Terminator brooooo yay
It should play "Hasta la vista, baby" every time you do a rm -rf
@@RousentYeah 'cus u're doing it a lot...
Gnome (Terminal) - UX/UI for tablets should not be used on desktops and laptops with keyboard and mouse. D tier.
Warp - THIS IS PAID KEYLOGGER. Donating with logo placement is called advertisement. Online accout required to connect to your intranet ssh devices... What's wrong with you?
Wezterm - black screen on wayland. Weird behaviour on pasting text with new lines. B tier.
Kitty - ULTRA TOXIC DEVELOPER. Do not report issues if you are not ready to be insulted. Python is not fast. D tier.
Alacritty - hang on paste from vim. Issue 9 month without attention
Ghostty - closed source. closed beta... I can bet it will be paid. F tier
The review we needed.
how's foot?
@@reescas I'm using foot+zsh+tmux on sway devuan, no complains
@rerereuj wasn't the dev also not wanting to flatpak it, to me that screams its doing shady background shit
No S tier ones?
This is great except for the Warp terminal. No matter how fancy it is, it shouldn't be in A. I am not sure about an F but definitely not A. Reasons: Requires login to even work, Closed source and ofcourse telemetry. Also you should check out Wave terminal.
That's true, but he was deciding based on the features it has
And it was a little biased, because warp donates to foss projects, which makes them more respectable
@@no_name4796 I believe he was quite biased on this one(which he has all the right to be) and decided to brush aside the major flaws of the Warp terminal. He did try to justify this by saying things which shouldn't have affected the objective value of Warp terminal. Why does it matter if Warp supports open source or not when we are discussing the value of the terminal. As for the respect part, Microsoft also supports several open source products but that doesn't make them any more respectful. We should judge a product for what it is and Warp in my personal opinion is not a A-tier terminal. Forget all its other flaws. NO terminal should ever need to be required to be logged in to just get to the interface and use it. Period.
@@raviroy7882 as i said, he was biased in favor of wasp because of all the foss donations, imo.
But yeah, i wouldn't use wasp lol
definitely disagree on the ST ranking, compiling does not take long at all, and it's not hard to configure, and it helps you learn how to patch programs and modify header files in C (not much harder than a regular config file), it's not for everyone, but it's certainly not F tier, i'd say it's A tier for the target audience.
Instead of rating the people behind the terminal or the company or the potential, how about rating the terminals themselves ? You dont have time to install and test them? Sorry but as a youtuber is that not what you have time for? I cant tell if you are trolling to get interaction but this was a little hard to watch. *well played* would love to have seen a mem use comparison in normal use. wezterm, foot and alacritty have big differences in system resource usage.
This is kind of a niche use case/feature, but it's worth mentioning that terminals built with libvte (xfce4-terminal, gnome terminal, terminator, probably a few others) have their own font-independent rendering system for the box drawing/geometric shapes/legacy computing unicode characters so that they always fit perfectly without any gaps, which only really matters if you do text mode art, but it's a big deal if you do text mode art.
What I learned from this is your chat is regarded
t*?
restarted*
Def brainrotted but who isn’t nowadays
Speaking as somebody who has used Linux since 1992, I really don't think that there is that much difference between terminal emulators, not enough to be worth a lot of trouble.
That's about the same time I started. I remember when rxvt came out and wow, unicode! These days I use Sakura mostly. why? no idea. I just started using it one day and it got the job done for me, so never bothered to change spend time looking for anything else.
Speaking as someone who loves curses and TUI since 2003, there is a massive difference between emulators. Wezterm for example uses dozens of colors to display A_BLINK'ed symbols. Kitty has terrible support for it, it doesn't even have italics. curs_attr(3x) list dozens of attributes that can be applied to text through curses alone. There are also ANSI sequences like strikethrough.
This video feels a bit lazy. I would actually love sole insight or at least table of features to campare them. Perhaps some good some bad atributes.
Not just chat kinda randomly sayng aaa yea that one is D for no reason. Othervise i like your content.
Yeah I get it. Will follow up with more in depth stuff
Foot is insanely speedy. Nothing compares. I found wezterm to be slow, kitty to be slow. Like i start typing before terminal appears on the screen and that's bad.
Only thing lacking is font ligatures. But i can live with that.
F is for telemetry and this message is sponsored by warp
Foot is really really good. I use it as a daily driver , deserves S tier
Powershell indeed sucks but Windows Terminal itself is pretty great recently.
It recently got a new engine with many features like allows images to be displayed within the terminal.
It's not a terminal that should be underestimated because of Windows or PowerShell.
Exactly, Ive used it and its S tier for sure. ITerm should also be S or A... idk what is this logic of open source good softwares being so low
Warp wants me to create an account....... to use a terminal....... that's all I need to know
Vide should be named "Chat ranked every Linux terminal".
st terminal is actually kinda nice. Sure patching is not for everybody but it does its job of being a simple terminal and actually helped me a lot to have it for work
i was flashbanged so many times this video i might be going blind
Wheres CRT(cool-retro-term)? my fav terminal D':
Number 1 feature every terminal MUST have for me is to support dropdown style like Guake/Yakuake, where I can bind Ctrl+` key to bring it up from anywhere. I can't live without that lol
you can do that in your WM with any terminal, google scratchpads :D
You can use separate terminal for that? AFAIK most of the widely used and supported terminals don't have that
Let's go Wezterm 🔥🔥🔥
Switched from windows terminal with wsl to wezterm, one of the best decision ever
I don’t really care what random neckbeards think about terminals. I came to see what their lead neckbeard thought. Bit dissapointed tbh
bro… you EXPOSED yourself and your CHAT as fodder noobs by giving st F tier. it’s the chad suckless terminal. the st literally stands for S TIER. git gud noob. 💪😏
shit, I'm a fraud
Not really.
@@typecraft_dev yes you are
100% agree. Total noob. "Oh no you have to compile it! I'm gonna put it in the F tier". ROFL
Lol people saying eww to st and rating it an F, and saying meh to foot and rating it a C. With st it's minimal and good for tiling window managers using st-flexipatch you can even use sixel graphics. With foot terminal it's the only good terminal that is still minimal and supports sixel by default. If nobody knows what that is, you can list and display images in the terminal itself no need for extra installation or configs. You can even use lsix and it will list all images and print them directly. If nobody appreciates that then I guess there is no hope for humanity.
can't expect much from hyprland users
@@bhavyakukkar Bruh you got me with a stray bullet. I use i3wm and hyprland side by side with foot and st.
@@groff8657 hehe. st and foot make up for the snobbery of using hyprland though
I think two very important criteria for good terminal emulators is (1) unicode, ligature and sixel support and (2) input latency. st has some of the best ligature and sixel support, and it also has the lowest input latency among all the X11 terminal emulators I have tested (you need to change a setting for it). I think it's easily the best, especially if you use a simple to configure fork of it like st-flexipatch
Agree 100%
To me the top one is foot terminal. Really good client server architecture. Super light on resources. Ability to set title and class. Really fast. It has everything.
Come on now, "Terminator."
Absolutely Terminator!
alacritty isn't supposed to support images, it's supposed to be a simple and non-bloated terminal emulator
You forgot Konsole ! I tried many but keep coming back to Konsole. It has everything and not too much at the same time.
Foot is great. I tried different terminals, including Kitty and Alacritty, and I found that Foot feels faster and snappier than all of them
that's cause it is faster. alacritty is a bunch of marketing bull crap and hype. foot is *actually* fast.
it's definitely really smooth and probably better than alacritty if you just have wayland
I love the DeArrow title for this video
"My chat ranks terminals"
Lmaooo
iterm is B while warp is A where iterm also being an open source project, what are you taking these days?
Damn left out Konsol for all us kde fanboys.
Yeah, and worst thing is that he included gnome shitty terminal ans xfce terminal lol
Nobody uses Guake?
I've been scrolling to find another guake user. I try other terminals, but always ends up coming back to guake.
Patching and recompiling for st really isn't that difficult once you do it a couple of times. It really is great once you get it configured just right.
agree 100%
Great tier list! However, I noticed that Tabby and Wave Terminal were missing.
A terminal doesn't have to Wow me. It needs to function well and should have certain settings I might need. GNOME Terminal is that. That is my tool in this category as long as it exists.
I haven't tested a lot, always used what was included or recommend. Some day I read abbout GPU accelerated terminals, found 3 opengl powered terminals and took Alacritty from it. It just works for me. Fast as hell and no issues. Maybe because I just start tmux automatically when starting Alacritty. That's the best way for me to have just one dependency on a different machine (tmux) and not have to find myself in tinkering with any shortcuts.
Not including Tilix is unacceptable. It has literally any featurə that one might ever need
foot is my favorite
iterm2’s ability to provide auto profile switching when logging onto a remote cluster is awesome! When I’m working on 8 different remote clusters … in identical directory structures, as either root or normal user, it’s so nice to instantly know the machine and user of the terminal ! There’s no way to get confused no matter how many times you exit, and log on, or what user you log on as ... The ability to apply a profile AUTOMATICALLY upon logon to a remote system is a MUST for me. I’m new to Linux (Fedora), but, does ANY other terminal in Linux match that one feature ? That one feature alone would place any terminal into the top category for me.
Iterm2 got shafted tbh. It's a great effing terminal. The guy a shit at tier listing
ST is the best terminal, and it even supports images. The codebase is small, making it work perfectly with dwm.
st in F is a violation oh my goodness
its basically a terminal that you build on yourself, ontop of dwm, which you build onto yourself, ontop of so on and so on, it's what you make it, and it's amazing
agree 100% Amasing Termial
Windows terminal is absolutely amazing. What sucks is Window's shells (both dos prompt and powershell), but the terminal app itself is probably the best one there is.
You said that alacritty is an amazing terminal, but a few reasons for that would be cool, because I am wondering a lot why people are so excited about it. It is just the speed?
Love the content recently! You're gonna love wezterm!
Foot terminal server mode is impressive. You run it as a server, allowing it to handle all clients, so opening clients is nearly instantaneous. There's no need to spawn another instance since it's already running in the background as a service.
I agree, its definitely really cool!
foot should be S
I don't use it but I'd have to say that foot is S tier. It's at least as fast as kitty/alacritty/wezterm but WITHOUT the use of hardware acceleration. The technology behind it is really cool. Very efficient with system resources. Rock solid terminal.
I personally I am happy with the Gnome Terminal most of the time, but I occasionally reach for Terminator for more features
I think windows terminal got shafted a bit, compared to other Linux terminals, it's a bit behind, but some chatters putting WT bellow because of Powershell is a little disingenuous, a terminal emulator shouldn't be reviewed based on what shell it can run, but if it should, Windows Terminal can also use bash, or any UNIX shell for that matter if you run WSL2.
Windows isn't a system made to be navigated with just a terminal, but even tho, MS made good, all around terminal, with pretty much every essential feature you would expect from a good terminal emulator, and if you're going to use it for developing in Linux using WSL2, it's works really well.
It deserves at least an A.
excellent comment. I was actually surprised to see how many people LOVED windows terminal (got a few S-tier comments in chat as well)
@@typecraft_dev I think, and I may be wrong on this, but to me it seemed that those saying F, or B, were either memeing, because it's Microsoft, or were Linux users who never used it and were just trashing it, because it's Microsoft. And I get the sentiment, I also hate some of Microsoft's BS even tho I use Windows, but I still have to meet someone who actually uses WT on a daily basis and doesn't like it, it's a vast improvement compared to pure powershell or cmd, it's the best terminal emulator you can have on Windows by a long shot.
It’s slow as shit though
Yeah, back before I switched to Linux, I was honestly very happy with Windows Terminal.
From the terminals I have personally used: Alacritty > Windows Terminal > Konsole > Gnome terminal
powershell is pretty cool.. it's like the only good microsoft product aside from maybe windows terminal and minesweeper
For those of us stuck on Windows for work, the new Windows Terminal is really great. JSON customization, tabbed for CMD, PowerShell, WSL, Docker, etc…
its my favorite so far even with options, except i cant get images to work.
@@BrentMalice I’m sorry. With a seemingly dozen other ways to view images, I never tried getting this to work in Windows terminal. If I get time, I’ll look into this. A fresh pair of eyes may spot an option previously overlooked or recently added.
Tried Ghostty on my linux work laptop. But it seemed to have some kind of memory leak or similar. It became really sluggish after an hour running, so had to restart it a few times during the day. Went back to Kitty. It is just the best, hands down
Weird I’ve never had that issue
What are usecases for image rendering in the terminal? Never needed it
You can render images for example in a terminal file browser.
same. I think the primary use case is what he’s using it for. just viewing what images are what, without relying on another program or relying of file names
i could see it being useful while using ffmpeg for example
if you write markdown files sometimes is useful
to add a waifu to your neofetch command :kekw
St is an easy S for me. You can turn it into whatever you want. The source is meant to be small and simple, so modding is insanely easy.
I have to say, configuring st might be the hardest and it ig deserved low ranking but not last! Ik it's a personal preference. Anyway I use st for everyday use since I have a potato pc I have save up my resources for my browser and lsp. St did a great job at that. In my env st uses only 20mb ram. It also supports ALL THE FEATURES (all that i know of and use) of any terminal with least resource usage. But I can assure if I had a better device I'd have used kitty anyday and everyday (kitty isn't supported in my current device).
Also Warp deserves a C.
How could you not be aware that Mac OS was based on NeXT?
Great video ❤
great comment :)
Why? He hasn’t tried any of the terminals. He just talks and show his ignorance
@@brianhansen2202Hater he makes Great Videos you just like to talk
black box and prompt are not mentioned but both are probably slightly better than gnome terminal currently
3:40 bringing the IE/MS Edge meme to the terminal world
Trying to cut through the noise...which there's a ton of on this topic. I love iTerm2 on macOS because I can simply create a freeform layout, close and restart the app, and everything was persisted and restored without a bunch of configuration, extra packages, etc. I want the tiling terminal for Linux that does this for me and looks good in Gnome. Terminator is a buggy, confusing mess. Tilix comes close but requires manually saving/opening layouts for restoring.
I had been having a hard time understanding the point of using a third-party terminal. Reading comments made me realize that Konsole being my default is the reason.
the preview are fcking awesome, the consoles and the leg
Where are all the emacs terminal emulators? Eshell and Vterm are great.
Tabby, Konsole ?
Many of the more advanced features are things I think should be included in the shell rather than in the terminal emulator; any form of autocomplete and fuzzy search feature should be in the shell. I can see that there are potentials for weird bugs if you use a shell with similar features as the terminal emulator.
As a Windows and .NET engineer for over a decade, I could not disagree more with the ranking for the VS Code Terminal. It's a solid B, and Windows Terminal as well.
Your best friends are just hating, which I kinda hate Microsoft these days too, but you gotta stay objective and recognize that they still produce some pretty great developer tools. I'm not saying BEST by any means, but still solid and great.
This tier list is actually dog water
Giving S tier without trying them is insane
Give d or something low to xfce terminal bcs some KDE gnome zoomers tells it is insane too
built with rust is not a feature, its an implementation detail
I really loved wezterm but for whatever reason, for me, it had crazy issues with eating my inputs and random slow downs. Maybe it was an nvidia hardware thing or something. I've been pretty happy with foot ever since I switched though, feels much more lightweight.
I doubt that it's an Nvidia thing. I've used it on AMD (GPU and CPU), Intel (integrated graphics and CPU, AMD GPU and Intel CPU), M1 Mac. This on Windows, Linux and MacOS. I want to like it, but it never runs as smooth as other options do.
Maybe I'll give it another shot tomorrow... I have an Nvidia GPU now. 😅
@@herrpez My thinking was that it probably had something to do with it being a hardware accelerated terminal, which I don't think many of the others are, but I could be wrong.
@@deathcare Alacritty is hardware accelerated too, and that runs like a dream on my work laptop, which is considerably less powerful than my home computer.
That being said, Wezterm seems to be a little bit faster than before. My main gripe has always been how slow it's been to spawn new windows/tabs. It's still not as quick as my main terminal emulator, but it's at least not painful anymore. 😄 Will have to check it out at work as well, but it's a little bit harder to justify messing around with terminal emulators for the fun of it in that setting.
I know is an unpopular opinion but a terminal can't be S tier if you can't select text with your keyboard from the get go (yes, kitty). And I don't know what's all the hype to see images in their terminal, but I think that is a very secondary function for most heavy terminal users.
If someone put st in the F tier they deserve a thumb down. Period.
What the heck! It’s ok I respect your decision
The cat theme is the only thing Kitty has going for it. You can't copy & paste with Kitty.
Windows Terminal is actually fantastic. I main pop_os, but when I have to use windows for work, I actually really enjoy it and kind of wish it was available for Linux.
Interesting, that you didn’t mention my favorite warp terminal features: editing the current command like in a text editor and copying the whole output of a command without selecting anything. Also jumping between outputs or to the beginning of an output block
What about good ol' xterm? What about that weird little popup terminal you used to get in win95 when you dial up to a router and have to sign in? Emacs eterm?
Warp is F tier spyware.
Could you elaborate?
i think he means that because it’s AI powered, it’s essentially sending lots of your data to the cloud. whether it’s secure or not is a bit difficult to prove, although it is open source. in any case shell commands includes more information that you should be comfortable giving away
💯 who the fuck uses a non open-source terminal on Linux? Web Dev brainlets.
It is relieving to hear when other people forget things :D
I mean, Zed also has a terminal that you can open Neovim in...
Also, if you notice though, the VS Code emulator is not its own terminal emulator. It hooks into your default terminal emulator (same as Zed). They shouldn't count! Also RIP Konsole for apparently not even making the list lol.