Mitchell is such an inspiration, he doesn't need to work yet still finds ways to write things people need and do it better than the rest. Big fan of Mitchell and may God bless his family!
That looks really promising! Despite there being so many Terminal Emulators, I can agree, that none of them check all boxes, so I'm excited for Ghostty.
Didn't know Zig has comptime type construct. That's really nice. I'm getting creeps from template programming on C++. Very nice of you to discourage the type gymnastics coming from this, since the comptime type construct is not mathematically meaningful or useful to overuse, especially as (automated) proof system (your use case was 100% valid though).
Excited for where this could go! Personally I'm a Linux TWM hipster and so I generally favor more minimal terminals (Sakura and LilyTerm are some that met my needs) but I'm really interested to see where this goes Also i just was not prepared for it to get so deep into metaprogramming, that blew my mind
The mozilla public license 2.0 is copyleft per file, convertable to GNU licenses and accepted in app stores. It is used by the VLC media player. The LGPL doesn’t work well for static linking.
I'd say memory usage is the biggest end-user problem with Electron apps, NOT their speed. After seeing that compile-time struct definition for bit packing font info, I was expecting memory usage being optimized too, so it was a surprise to hear, that memory usage is not prioritized. All your CPU optimizations are down the drain, if there is not enough memory and the system starts swapping, which I've often seen on macOS even with 16GB RAM.
For example, I'm using IntelliJ's built-in terminal plugin, which is horribly slow and not very feature-rich, but it's at hand and integrated with the window handling of the editor, so it's less of a mental context switch, then switching to an external editor and that's why I use it 80-90% of the time. 2% of the time I'm even starting to use the Cursive plugin's Clojure REPL to call out to shell commands, just so I can stay even more focused.
Options are good. People want different things. I really like a minimal emulator like Alacrity. Its less customizable by design and i prefer that. I dont need tabs on alacrity because i use zellij, its like tmux. I like the defaults on alacritty so i dont spend a lot of time configuring it and i like that. I know its nit picking but alacrity doesn't lack features as much as it is feature complete according to the standards that the devs and community have agreeed on.
The following dependencies will be installed: cctools clang-16 clang_select gdbm ld64 ld64-xcode libomp llvm-16 llvm_select perl5 perl5.34 readline xar Continue? [Y/n]:
I've written python programs which do a quick generation of very repetitive C code from data just like the comptime keycode tuples stuff. Very nice use
Yep, agree. Seeing suck improvements in iTerm happened would be the best thing to happen for me. Otherwise I can already see where ghostty can be used with wasm, so crazy
Thanks for the insights and the demo, Mitchell. I've been wondering whether to learn Zig because it reminds me of the days of learning to program in C, many moons ago. From what you said, I think I'll give it a try.
Man, this looks amazing! Can't wait to put my hands on it! I'm currently using iTerm on macOS, and on Linux I'm torn between Wezterm (a little more feature-rich, and I like how the splits work) and Kitty (a little bit more robust, often a bit faster, better font rendering, but I don't like how splits work). I also don't like how both Wezterm and Kitty always feel a bit alien. Ghostty looks like the solution to all these issues! Any updates on when to expect a public release? Or how to get access to the closed beta?
@@codenameirvin1590 not necessarily true, Mitchell has talked about a flexible licensing so it could be used in vscode as a much more performant terminal. As for wsl, I hope to use ghostty to replace Microsoft terminal as my interface to wsl.
I'd love to use proportional fonts for programming and in fact I did use it for ~2 years (before switching to Clojure), BUT I don't see how could it be used effectively in terminals. I would have loved to see a demo of that.
Would you consider making a space invaders emulators ? (the Midway 8080 arcade machine, not a clone of the game) It is generally considered to be the next step after chip8 in emulation programming, but there isn't any clear tutorial about it
wezterm isn't fast at all. it's a good terminal, but i certainly wouldn't call it fast. there's also its lack of ability to work on wayland properly. there's also the fact that there isn't really a competition between devs to make the best terminal emulator, so why shit on other projects like this on the behalf of someone who probably wouldn't even care?
That guy is a legend. He also did a lot of good work for the go community.
Vagrant, Terraform, Vault, ...@@actualwafflesenjoyer
The Zig Compiler Internals blog series was incredibly helpful for learning the language.
Thanks a lot Mitchell.
Mitchell is such an inspiration, he doesn't need to work yet still finds ways to write things people need and do it better than the rest. Big fan of Mitchell and may God bless his family!
I wish I was 10% as productive as Mitchell is. 😓
Damn, this is the guy where the Hashi in Hashicorp comes from, I didn't know he was doing Zig now (insted of Go) :D
Amazing talk, learned a lot about Zig features in a huge project and very insightful examples!
That looks really promising! Despite there being so many Terminal Emulators, I can agree, that none of them check all boxes, so I'm excited for Ghostty.
Didn't know Zig has comptime type construct. That's really nice. I'm getting creeps from template programming on C++. Very nice of you to discourage the type gymnastics coming from this, since the comptime type construct is not mathematically meaningful or useful to overuse, especially as (automated) proof system (your use case was 100% valid though).
Excited for where this could go! Personally I'm a Linux TWM hipster and so I generally favor more minimal terminals (Sakura and LilyTerm are some that met my needs) but I'm really interested to see where this goes
Also i just was not prepared for it to get so deep into metaprogramming, that blew my mind
The mozilla public license 2.0 is copyleft per file, convertable to GNU licenses and accepted in app stores. It is used by the VLC media player. The LGPL doesn’t work well for static linking.
I'd say memory usage is the biggest end-user problem with Electron apps, NOT their speed.
After seeing that compile-time struct definition for bit packing font info, I was expecting memory usage being optimized too, so it was a surprise to hear, that memory usage is not prioritized.
All your CPU optimizations are down the drain, if there is not enough memory and the system starts swapping, which I've often seen on macOS even with 16GB RAM.
For example, I'm using IntelliJ's built-in terminal plugin, which is horribly slow and not very feature-rich, but it's at hand and integrated with the window handling of the editor, so it's less of a mental context switch, then switching to an external editor and that's why I use it 80-90% of the time.
2% of the time I'm even starting to use the Cursive plugin's Clojure REPL to call out to shell commands, just so I can stay even more focused.
Ziggers rise up
🤣
Hahahahahahahaha
Woah there buddy! No need to use a hard ‘r’
Where my ziggas at?
Options are good. People want different things. I really like a minimal emulator like Alacrity. Its less customizable by design and i prefer that. I dont need tabs on alacrity because i use zellij, its like tmux. I like the defaults on alacritty so i dont spend a lot of time configuring it and i like that. I know its nit picking but alacrity doesn't lack features as much as it is feature complete according to the standards that the devs and community have agreeed on.
i hope you make this project public when it's ready! it looks really interesting and would be an amazing addition to the pool of zig software.
I like the songs in your intros, can you share them in the notes?
The following dependencies will be installed:
cctools
clang-16
clang_select
gdbm
ld64
ld64-xcode
libomp
llvm-16
llvm_select
perl5
perl5.34
readline
xar
Continue? [Y/n]:
I've written python programs which do a quick generation of very repetitive C code from data just like the comptime keycode tuples stuff. Very nice use
05:33 Mitch starts
10:31 so uh............................................................................................................
the showtime intro blew me away!
I also want to know what song it is
Yep, agree. Seeing suck improvements in iTerm happened would be the best thing to happen for me. Otherwise I can already see where ghostty can be used with wasm, so crazy
link to download ??
Thanks for the insights and the demo, Mitchell. I've been wondering whether to learn Zig because it reminds me of the days of learning to program in C, many moons ago. From what you said, I think I'll give it a try.
why do you prefer tabs and splits over tmux?
This baby talk and 3 hours pattern makes me think of a cron job, in this nerdy context.
Man, this looks amazing! Can't wait to put my hands on it! I'm currently using iTerm on macOS, and on Linux I'm torn between Wezterm (a little more feature-rich, and I like how the splits work) and Kitty (a little bit more robust, often a bit faster, better font rendering, but I don't like how splits work). I also don't like how both Wezterm and Kitty always feel a bit alien.
Ghostty looks like the solution to all these issues! Any updates on when to expect a public release? Or how to get access to the closed beta?
notcurses author here, good stuff, always happy to see notcurses-demo killing it =]
00:01 05:33 Mitch starts
Great talk!
Mitchell is just an amazing human being. Thank you for ghostty
I cant wait for this on Windows/WSL and VSCode...
It isn’t a shell, it’s a terminal emulator. VS Code is a terminal emulator as well. So you won’t use this inside of VS Code.
@@codenameirvin1590 not necessarily true, Mitchell has talked about a flexible licensing so it could be used in vscode as a much more performant terminal. As for wsl, I hope to use ghostty to replace Microsoft terminal as my interface to wsl.
why not write an ide in zig that works like a terminal?
What is that nvim color scheme?
Closed source closed beta.
From a PR point of view, you did A GREAT JOB so far. Some (bigger) companies could learn a lot ... 👍😉
This guy must have a PhD.
The power of one 10x engineer.
great video
variable lenght fonts in terminals are antifeature
I'd love to use proportional fonts for programming and in fact I did use it for ~2 years (before switching to Clojure),
BUT I don't see how could it be used effectively in terminals.
I would have loved to see a demo of that.
Does anyone know how to learn zig as the first programming language (guide)
write zig
52:48 why 3 bit? lol
So siked for this!!
love the new intro lol
Under the BSL in three, two, one, ...
What font is he using in his terminal?
I think it's JetBrains Mono
Made it early 😅
Does it work in windows , I bet it does not
In the video it is mentioned that Windows support is going to be there, but not yet
I guess Mitch never heard of wezterm 🙄
i guess Wez never heard of alacritty.
@@homelessrobot Wez never made a video comparing wezterm to other terminal emulators and then not mentioning the obvious alternative.
@@TakinProfit Yeah i didn't really know what game we were playing i was just stabbing in the dark and named a random terminal
Changed from alacritty to wezterm and never looking back.
@@homelessrobot good luck with no ligatures
Missed Konsole from your list.
There's a frame drope between 10:33 to 10:42 .
The application author is streaming over the Internet and this is a recording of the stream. There's nothing that could've been done.
y never 30 seconds of thing working with these kinds of talks??? lol.
Would you consider making a space invaders emulators ? (the Midway 8080 arcade machine, not a clone of the game)
It is generally considered to be the next step after chip8 in emulation programming, but there isn't any clear tutorial about it
I changed for wezterm. Love the lua config, font support, images and multiplexer
cool, sadly no Vulkan
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LORIS 4 min intro? please STOP
There's a scrubbing bar btw, and the start of the talk is marked with a chapter...
@@RapidPixel79 4 MINs?
Wheres the discord link?
24:31
Made it early 😅
First 😮
Made it early 😅
First 😮
I think he intentionally not included wez because it solved all the problems he mentioned.
And you have to make up a problem to solve
wezterm isn't fast at all. it's a good terminal, but i certainly wouldn't call it fast.
there's also its lack of ability to work on wayland properly.
there's also the fact that there isn't really a competition between devs to make the best terminal emulator, so why shit on other projects like this on the behalf of someone who probably wouldn't even care?