Yes please, I've been wanting to start using it, but I'm finding it hard to find time to learn it. Having a nice well constructed video would really simplify the whole process
Ricing in Linux was always meant to be a niche corner for those who can program their own config files and essentially make new interfaces using the WM as a framework, for all other people dotfiles exist
I'm a father of 2 littles. I'm in my first year of an enterprise programmer job. Time is literally worth gold to me I have so little. And yet i still rice my nixos/hyprland, roll my own neovim config, and git commit and gnu stow every dotfile to not be completely nix-reliant . I think we're all just playing on hardmode and can't stop. God I miss sleep. But at least everything looks sick
Cosmic Desktop is looking to finally fix this. It's a tiling window manager built into an entire desktop Environment. This means folks who want something that works Out of the Box and look nice will be able to use Cosmic and still get all that good tiling keyboard goodness.
COSMIC has been an absolute godsend as a tool to try out and edit color schemes really fast, which i would later adapt into my i3 setup, but as a DE i feel like it looks/feels too toy-ish for my taste i really hope it succeeds though, it looks like they're going in a really good direction with it
- "we have our GTK apps are actually themed and looking really good.." - opens up nautilus with a standard libadwaita theme while everything else is catppuccin :D But jokes aside - great video. However, using a desktop environment won't save you from this pain, especially if you absolutely cannot live without tilling window management. WM people just don't have many options. We either have to get through this pain of configuration all of that from the ground up or stuck with messy (floating) window management. There is a hope though... Cosmic
Btw, while Catppuccin for GTK is not maintained anymore, it is still working. As far as I am aware, the repo was abandoned because the upstream theme (Colloid) wasn't the right choice because of the complex CI. Other popular themes do GTK just fine. There is ongoing discussion about the replacement, but you can already find plenty of GitHub repos that offer catppuccin GTK.
How do you even git nautilus with libadwaita on dark theme ? I have it on light theme and every time I try to switch it to dark it gives me a weird old gtk 2/3 dark theme that is very different
I totally didn't misread the title as "The painful world of Linux Racing" and then get all confused when he talks about colors and themes. Na ah. Couldn't be me.. 😤
8:25 Nice! You are using these side cuts so much better! Well done! The black and white *really* makes the cut work much more cleanly, as does the reduced change of angle. And you went tighter on the framing, too!
This "struggle" is one of the reasons why I chose for dwm instead of a windowmanager like Hyprland, dwm just comes with a panel and systemtray (if you do that patch, which you can do automatically) and that makes it incredibly easy. The other reason why I chose for dwm, I love the so-called tag feature, it means that you can combine multiple workspaces: either showing them or putting a program on them. For example, you can easily have a program visible on 2 workspaces and combine that program with 2 different programs, 1 for one workspace and the other for the other. That way you can very easily switch which programs are visible by just pressing one keycombination. That can be a great productivity booster, for example when you need the following 3 applications open: PDF-reader, browser, editor.
oh wow, I really like the idea of being able to have the same window on multiple workspaces, but I also spent weeks configuring hyprland so switching is a painful proposition.
@@paultapping9510 That is the great thing of dwm, there is very little effort required to configure it! You just use one 'header'-file which is quite easily readable, in that file you define hotkeys (monkey sees, monkey does) and you can for example simply add the number of workspaces by adding extra elements to the array in which those are defined. It is set up to make it easy. The functionality is simply determined by which pathces you do. Maybe patching sounds scary but there really isn't much to it. You do the first and biggest patch automatically by using the patch program which already is installed on your system (type "tldr patch" if you have tldr installed) and for the other patches you simply open the diff-file in any text-editor which has proper syntax-highlighting (that makes it much easier to read it) and then simply add and remove the lines as pointed out in the diff-file. There is little that can go wrong, just backup your dwm-directory but even if you would mess that up, as long as you make mistakes dwm simply won't compile and you will keep using the older executable which will keep working exactly the same. If you would like to get started with dwm, try for example Chris Titus Tech his dwm-config out, he started based on mine but then he went his own way with it. It is a solid starting point, I think that he has all the patches which I would recommend, some of those he added based on my recommendation.
@@paultapping9510 Anyway, that thing which you mention, that is basic functionality of dwm, you don't need to patch it for that. I have done 8 patches, 7 of those I did manually: systray, swallow, rotatestack, movestack, pertag, cfacts, resizecorners, attachaside, The systray-patch is the one which you should do automatically, it is by far the longest one, the other ones don't take much work when done manually. Of course when you do it the first time it takes longer because you still are clumsy with it but it will get easy. A one time investment of time, then you can keep using it on any system and get it setup within 5 seconds: copy 1 directory of dwm and copy 2 files for starting whatever you want to start with it, like a clipboard manager. Bonustip: the best way to make screenshots on X11 is by combining scrot and xclip and make hotkeys for that. This includes making screenshots by drawing a rectangle.
It would be great to showcase the new Cosmic OS with their tiling window manager, catppuccin themes, etc for a 10min rice for those who don’t want to go all in
I'm an arch user of 10 years, been using tiling window managers a bit longer than that. The pain of ricing, I'll never do it again, because I switched to NixOS last month, and stylix basically needed a few lines of config in my main config, and it changed almost every app I use to catppuccin, and the few I use it didn't change, they already use my terminals colors, so they changed as well
Oh, forgot to say, stylix supports arbitrary color schemes (not just catppuccin). Or even picking colors from your wallpaper, but the latter one I think I would never use
I’ve been using arch Linux for 3 years now. Before that, I used Debian for years. I also will switch to nixos. I’ve been ricing nixos in a virtual machine. Until that I will remain on arch.
I would also like to use NixOS but because they're not FHS compliant, I'm afraid most of the software I use will not work. Sure my desktop will look great, but what is the point if I can't do work in it?
@@groff8657nixpkgs (their package repository) has _a lot_ of software already packaged, and as such it basically just works. On rare occasions the app you want to use isn't packaged, but you can make a package request at the repo, or look for how some similar programs are packaged and package your app yourself! It's by no means obvious, but with some practice it's quite doable
@@groff8657Each derivation in Nix follows the FHS, so you don't have one which can cause dependency hell and makes reproducibility impossible, but you get one for each derivation. The fact that some prepackaged software requires a FHS is not a real problem for Nix. You can either fix it at compile time, patch the binaries after the build, fix dynamic linking with Nix-LD or even just spawn a FHS for a specific app/shell with `buildFHSUserEnv`. Most of the time you, don't need to bother with these things, but once in a while you bump into this and then it's a bit of extra work. But the advantage is that you do it once and it works forever on every machine.
So I installed hyprland after watching your first video, and riced up with wofi, mako, waybar using catppuccin theme, and almost finished before your second video came out (I haven't used it before). Now working on wofi to launch a keymap hint , in case i forget any. Just loving it 🥰
Personally I've found KDE to just absolutely wipe the floor with everything else now that wayland support is in good shape. Yes, it tiles just fine, no, I don't need to use the mouse with it any more then with sway/hypr, no, you don't get that experience out of the box, you still have to tinker with it. But when you're done tinkering, what remains is just so much more that you don't need to bother with. Notifications, launcher, clipboard, lock screen,, cattpuccin support for qt/gtk, it's all there.
catppuccin for gtk apps was a fork of Colloid-gtk-theme by vinceliuice which is still getting developed and maintained and has options to install as catppuccin mode for your gtk apps
@@typecraft_devI think the worst part is the maintenance. I’d be fine configuring once and not having to touch it forever, but the unstable and dynamic nature of the linux desktop means a lot the tooling gets abandoned or superceded or unmaintained, which means I have to look for another alternative and configure that and so on and so forth
I went through ricing on Linux, then got a MacBook for work and installed yabai (basically a bspwn clone for Mac) and what I got is a very Linux-like workflow and an amazing default desktop environment underneath.
I did quite an amount of customisation previously and now I stick with Fedora with Gnome without even changing the default wallpaper. And.. I still love it.
Tbh tiling window manager and arch linux has only one purpose: "to impress your friends", but given you use arch you'd have no friends I use arch btw Edit: Slightly tangential topic RICE -> (Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements
I've been ricing Hyprland with for the past few weeks and felt this video, there are a few scrpt installs that are really solid if you or anyone else wants to get a more out of the box feel in a slick hyprland environment, check out ML4W's script install, great standalone or base to get a stable hyprland session, cheeers!
The max customisation I do is change the accent color and wallpape (gnome) ;) I pretty much much leave everything stock! (Even terminal colors and nvim colorscheme are the default ones) I’ve changed these many times and just gave up at one point as I found myself doing these more than doing anything productive and get things done. Linux ricing and config management/customisation tailoring to our needs is a rabbit hole and that’s the beauty of it!
Thank you for making this video! I just went through that pain trying to get a unified Rose Pine theme for Gnome and was thinking about trying out Hyprland, outside of the general pain of theming it, have you enjoyed using Hyprland as a whole?
Possible to get your dotfiles uploaded? Seems like a great way to start or learn more from. I have configured my own configs, since i wanted a vertical waybar, not alot of other configs has that. But would still be nice to see how you implemented with catpuccin. Thanks for a great video.👍🏻
Yeah... Hyprland was very cool, but for now I gave up due to configuration hell, but also the immaturity of Hyprland and having to use a bunch of AUR-only packages. That's not where I want to spend my time, and GNOME "just works." That being said, this little experiment really makes me appreciate the work that goes into KDE and GNOME.
I went through this pain recently and gladly came back to... gnome. Now appreciate how awesome this is. And with tiling manager plugin from pop os it works like hyprland :)
The tiling window manager to gnome pipeline is real. I just want things to work and look and feel consistent, and only care about tiling wms insofar as they give me productivity. But if the time spent configuring and maintaining my rice exceeds the productivity boost from a tiling environment, that’s just stupid for me. If I wasn’t using fedora sway I’d just be used fedora gnome or linux mint cinnamon.
Hey man, just letting you know that through your videos I learned a lot, from nvim to titling window managers to ricing and now nix. You are doing some good stuff. Thanks again
Thank you for this video. As someone who is currently ricing it for everforest I can say catpuccin people go the easy road. 😅 Fun aside. There are so many people adopting hyprdots and don't understand what's behind it. They come to the forums and don't even know the wiki for hyprland. All those people promoting this dotfile/installer thing should link your video to show the hassle.
Even though I love making rice, I think it's all a bottomless hole for people without time, I know that there are dotfiles, but there is nothing better than using a configuration created and thought out by you, for a long time I designed several interfaces, but I never managed to complete one of them, because I always fell into the same thought, "where am I spending my time", I even started creating an OS with the hyprland interface by default, but if you have time left over to create something for yourself, congratulations! you just fell into an incredible world, otherwise it's just a loop that will never end... Thank you for this video, it's a topic I've been thinking about for a long time.
normally I'd be like... "tch, don't exaggerate," but a qt update did actually bork my config for like 3 days just the other week. I had to use a totally vanilla and unconfigured gnome 😢
I’ve caught you at last! We are the sons of the terminal! I am The Pain of Ricing Linux! I shall guide you to a world of anguish beyond your imagination where dependencies never end and kernel panics are your constant companion. Let’s get started, and may the bees of broken packages sting you forever - The Pain
Seeing such configuration is always awe inspiring. I kind of want to try the Hyprland but knowing how much work it needs to satisfy my needs so far always turned me off. Someday I will grow up to do this ;). For now, moving from Screen to Tmux will suffice
I am loving HyprPanel (not hyprpanel) at the moment. Its so good and comes with default themes you can change in a config panel.. with Catppuccin themes out of the box! love it! :)
This is why I went back to KDE with Krohnkite. If I ever have to customize my config with a freaking JSON again I'll throw my PC out of the window. Krohnkite, to my surprise, works perfectly fine out of the box. No plasma crashes, great choice of layouts, full keyboard navigation working and Kwin rules take care of pesky titlebars and borders.
The things is, imagine doing all that work and then with the simple change of a wallpaper theme, everything goes to 💩 and you now have to edit every single program on your system again to look nice with such wallpaper. Basically, before any rice, you have to commit to a color scheme first.
if you're comfortable with manual ricing and some scripting and you like changing color themes a lot it shouldn't be that hard to make a script that replaces colors over all of your config files using a theme you define in whatever format in one place
So I'm writing this from OpenBSD with cwm, and my configuration for xterm, xidle and some other standard tools (included into OpenBSD fork of Xorg) has been stable for about 15 years. There is a standard from pre-wayland times, it's called Xresources, and it works just fine. It allows exactly what you want - set up fonts and colors independently from the application development. I know Linux moved past on Xorg, but the design approach still could be reused. My biggest issue with ricing is not the effort and separate steps, it's the stability. I want to make the best configuration for me, and I want to keep it for 10, 15, 20 years, if I'm happy with it.
I wanted kind of the same thing. A working hyprland config that looks good with almost no effort configuring. I used the ML4W dotfiles, just copied over my existing shell config and i was good to go (after changing some of the keybindings)
Oh, I've been through this when I was trying to configure awesomewm last year. You barely mentioned the widgets, I couldn't find a decent one to control volume, and the bluetooth one kept glitching out, not to mention them all looking so different from each other that the final thing was just ugly. I ended up giving up, Plasma gives enough customization options and the "tiling" features aren't the end of the world, but I'm considering switching to hyprland every day. Here's a trick I learned: Plasma sets up both Qt and GTK for you when you set a color scheme, it changes all the files in the GTK directories so GTK and Qt apps all look the same even when not on Plasma. I'm thinking the secret to doing this is to run hyprland alongside Plasma, to let Plasma do the configs and possibly use it's apps too but never log into it, just use hyprland. The day I figure out how to put Plasma widgets on Waybar is the day I switch to hyprland.
Hyprland actually is a good thing. Some people really love to tinker to get their desktop exactly how they want. For years, being crippled by rigid desktop environments was frustrating. Let the end user types use those restrictive desktop environments and let the tinkerers have their tiling WM toys.
The best tiling WM is KDE+tiling kwin script(e.g. krohnkite). Everything working out of the box including panel, widgets(including sound mixer and network manager), system settings, file manager etc, and the tiling experience is basically flawless. I used DWM in the past which i loved, i configured it hardly and still functionality was lacking badly. KDE setup is MUCH better, if you want simple tiling wm then just use KDE, i insist.
As said in maybe other comments, just use nix and use stylix for your ricing, it makes things so easy to have consistent color scheme everywhere and fonts and the rest.
Ngl this video has good timing, as just 3 days ago I moved from Hyprland back to Plasma 6 because of this very issue. It's already difficult enough to get your rice to look nice, but when updates start breaking things it becomes a cat and mouse game to find what broke and why, how to fix it, then only have it broken again in a future update. Case in point, 2 months ago KDE apps like Dolphin stopped following my custom Qt theme I'd configured with qt6ct and kvantum and they also stopped following my custom icon theme (Papirus dark btw). I never managed to find a fix for it so I just rolled with it. But then last week Qt theming broke even worse and now all Qt 6 theming is broken and I just get a default white theme for Qt 6 apps. Meanwhile KDE Qt apps still have their hardcoded default theme, but they have no icons whatsoever. Then there's also the fact that on NixOS some apps for configuring GTK themes like nwg-look don't work in NixOS's unique directory structure and try to look for installed themes in places that don't exist. So I have to manually make symlinks in my home dir to allow nwg-look to find the proper themes from there. Then there's also the fact that some of my custom scripts to implement functionality such as volume increasing/decreasing with a notification and some animations when I press a hotkey occasionally break after an update. Though tbf this is mainly my fault for using an unstable scripting language that changes quickly. Of course I have had other issues in the past. I've used Hyprland for 7 months after all. But I mostly tolerated them, even one particularly bad problem where on some Hyprland versions my OBS recording would randomly freeze on an arbitrary frame until I re-select the source game window and thus I had to constantly switch between my game and OBS while playing and recording to check if I had to fix it in real time. So at one point I just decided I didn't want to keep up with all these changes and to be constantly on the lookout for major or subtle breakages on every update. I went back to Plasma 6 where I don't have tiling nor can I configure even some basic stuff like moving the freakin OSD volume notification to the corner of the screen instead of the center. But at least I don't have to deal with all the aforementioned pain points. And I can apply some of what I've learned from Hyprland to improve upon my former workflow before trying Hyprland. E.g. I can use virtual desktops whereas previously I never touched them and I can simulate submaps by making a shortcut that runs a script that expects a single key input and then runs a command based on the key. All in all, I realized that while I like having a riced up system, I don't have the will to maintain it forever and ultimately prefer stuff to just work. EDIT: just to be clear and explicit, I love Hyprland and its workflow. It was my first tiling WM. However, I don't like the unstable and error-prone environment in which I must run it. I suppose this makes me the perfect candidate for Cosmic when it's released, huh?
"That's it! I am done ricing and everything's perfect! I wont change anything anymore... maybe just... just one more thing." - Every Linux Ricer at some point in their lives
He says a tiling wm is a lot of work to configure after enthusiastically making a whole series on ricing neovim lol. Personally, I feel like both are totally worth it.
Linux is for people who love terminals and may not prioritize aesthetics in their user interface. If you are aiming for a beautiful desktop, you will need to customize it extensively. I used Debian for years with the default XFCE desktop environment, which I find to be quite unappealing. However, the focus was on performance and the rich terminal capabilities that Linux offers.
Still an undergrad in CSE. I think I leant more while messing with my system configs then any other course I have taken, Yes it takes lot of time but its the best productive procrastination there is
NGL, as much as I enjoyed my time Ricing with nix, it would be nice to be able to get a nice tiling window manager interface without having to spend hours setting up the system. I left nix and hyprland for arch and gnome just because there were so many weird issues that I did not have time to work around. I'm rather sad about this because nether gnome nor kde seem to have good implementations of hyprland style tiling. Hoping cosmic fills this niche when it comes out of alpha.
And then you also have Qt applications, and different formats for mouse cursors, and on top of everything you have flatpaks. I have something decent looking, but I've had to purposefully stop trying to match everything (KeePassXC still using default colorscheme, which is terrible) just so I could actually use my computer for what I need.
I use Rofi instead of wofi. Docs are better and it still works pretty good in wayland. Only caveat, the windows menu won't work out of the box. I had to create my own
Iirc I've also had window selection broken at some point but since I last installed a wm I just run "rofi -show window" and it works, must have been fixed
if you chose to use a DIY distro and a DIY DE you are expected to learn how they work and make it pretty by yourself. It is a nice flex to have a cool rice anyway.
We should standardized the configuration format in linux tooling The contenders are YAML, JSON and TOML. IMO TOML is the best of both YAML and JSON. I also want to add configuration should never have logic. TOML for default configuration file format in linux gor tool configuration
The best configuration files are in programming languages. I think recently apple released a configuration format that allows logic, so I didn't know why you are against that. Yaml toml are good for less advanced programs. Json is the worst because it doesn't allow comments.
@@007arek yeah lua is being used in wezterm and neovim as a plugin and config language. Apple's Pkl is also great but the question is scripting and config should remain different. For example in web development CSS, JavaScript are different.
For a GTK catppuccin theme, I'd suggest using Colloid-theme which supports different colors schemes including catppuccin. Wofi docs suck it almost got no docs other than man-pages but I was able to do my custom Wofi theme by using same CSS variables from the Waybar catppuccin theme... I use nixos btw.
Wayland and GUIs in general are full of churn. Pretty much everything there is ephemeral and you have to re-learn and re-fix the same things every few years. So I've moved more and more to command line solutions, since those mostly are just one-and-done, freeing me to focus on moving forward instead of constantly fixing old stuff over and over. I won't be switching to Wayland until it provides the features I rely on daily, like network transparency, or until I simply have no choice.
how does your terminal look like that? i tried to do that myself but i could only change the color of the text and couldn't put it in a bubble like yours
Did a little Mac ricing with yabai skhd hyperkey sketchybar ray cast… you know the drill…the good thing is with the lack of other option it’s not a big rabbit hole like on Linux…might get a Linux computer just for that
The best part is when you start nixing
you nix people...
... I'm going to look into it :)
Yes please, I've been wanting to start using it, but I'm finding it hard to find time to learn it. Having a nice well constructed video would really simplify the whole process
@@typecraft_dev Let's gooooooo
@@p4xx07 Yeah, it's hard unless you're already familiar with programming.
"I use arch btw" sounds lame on my NixOS (btw)
Ricing in Linux was always meant to be a niche corner for those who can program their own config files and essentially make new interfaces using the WM as a framework, for all other people dotfiles exist
I'm a father of 2 littles. I'm in my first year of an enterprise programmer job. Time is literally worth gold to me I have so little. And yet i still rice my nixos/hyprland, roll my own neovim config, and git commit and gnu stow every dotfile to not be completely nix-reliant . I think we're all just playing on hardmode and can't stop. God I miss sleep. But at least everything looks sick
Cosmic Desktop is looking to finally fix this. It's a tiling window manager built into an entire desktop Environment. This means folks who want something that works Out of the Box and look nice will be able to use Cosmic and still get all that good tiling keyboard goodness.
Rooting for that. I really want to have the flexibility to toggle tiling in and off
Good joke
it doesn’t look that nice currently though, hope it improves
I hope the file manager is good. Every one I've looked at in Linux so far is trash.
COSMIC has been an absolute godsend as a tool to try out and edit color schemes really fast, which i would later adapt into my i3 setup, but as a DE i feel like it looks/feels too toy-ish for my taste
i really hope it succeeds though, it looks like they're going in a really good direction with it
- "we have our GTK apps are actually themed and looking really good.."
- opens up nautilus with a standard libadwaita theme while everything else is catppuccin :D
But jokes aside - great video. However, using a desktop environment won't save you from this pain, especially if you absolutely cannot live without tilling window management.
WM people just don't have many options. We either have to get through this pain of configuration all of that from the ground up or stuck with messy (floating) window management.
There is a hope though... Cosmic
Yeah that was part of the issue I had. The catppuccin repo for GTK is abandoned and that theme looks decent. Lol
Will have to check out cosmic
Btw, while Catppuccin for GTK is not maintained anymore, it is still working. As far as I am aware, the repo was abandoned because the upstream theme (Colloid) wasn't the right choice because of the complex CI. Other popular themes do GTK just fine. There is ongoing discussion about the replacement, but you can already find plenty of GitHub repos that offer catppuccin GTK.
How do you even git nautilus with libadwaita on dark theme ? I have it on light theme and every time I try to switch it to dark it gives me a weird old gtk 2/3 dark theme that is very different
@@typecraft_dev Dracula is close enough and it (yet) maintained.
Literally just started a fresh rice of Hyprland an hour ago and you upload this video, insane timing
hah, funny
Exactly the same here 😆
I totally didn't misread the title as "The painful world of Linux Racing" and then get all confused when he talks about colors and themes. Na ah. Couldn't be me.. 😤
hah
One day...
I use both i3 and dwm. I riced each just enough for usefulness and quick access. I don't care to much about aesthetics and looks.
8:25 Nice! You are using these side cuts so much better! Well done! The black and white *really* makes the cut work much more cleanly, as does the reduced change of angle. And you went tighter on the framing, too!
Thanks!
This "struggle" is one of the reasons why I chose for dwm instead of a windowmanager like Hyprland, dwm just comes with a panel and systemtray (if you do that patch, which you can do automatically) and that makes it incredibly easy. The other reason why I chose for dwm, I love the so-called tag feature, it means that you can combine multiple workspaces: either showing them or putting a program on them. For example, you can easily have a program visible on 2 workspaces and combine that program with 2 different programs, 1 for one workspace and the other for the other. That way you can very easily switch which programs are visible by just pressing one keycombination. That can be a great productivity booster, for example when you need the following 3 applications open: PDF-reader, browser, editor.
oh wow, I really like the idea of being able to have the same window on multiple workspaces, but I also spent weeks configuring hyprland so switching is a painful proposition.
@@paultapping9510 That is the great thing of dwm, there is very little effort required to configure it! You just use one 'header'-file which is quite easily readable, in that file you define hotkeys (monkey sees, monkey does) and you can for example simply add the number of workspaces by adding extra elements to the array in which those are defined. It is set up to make it easy. The functionality is simply determined by which pathces you do. Maybe patching sounds scary but there really isn't much to it. You do the first and biggest patch automatically by using the patch program which already is installed on your system (type "tldr patch" if you have tldr installed) and for the other patches you simply open the diff-file in any text-editor which has proper syntax-highlighting (that makes it much easier to read it) and then simply add and remove the lines as pointed out in the diff-file. There is little that can go wrong, just backup your dwm-directory but even if you would mess that up, as long as you make mistakes dwm simply won't compile and you will keep using the older executable which will keep working exactly the same.
If you would like to get started with dwm, try for example Chris Titus Tech his dwm-config out, he started based on mine but then he went his own way with it. It is a solid starting point, I think that he has all the patches which I would recommend, some of those he added based on my recommendation.
@@paultapping9510 Anyway, that thing which you mention, that is basic functionality of dwm, you don't need to patch it for that. I have done 8 patches, 7 of those I did manually: systray, swallow, rotatestack, movestack, pertag, cfacts, resizecorners, attachaside, The systray-patch is the one which you should do automatically, it is by far the longest one, the other ones don't take much work when done manually. Of course when you do it the first time it takes longer because you still are clumsy with it but it will get easy. A one time investment of time, then you can keep using it on any system and get it setup within 5 seconds: copy 1 directory of dwm and copy 2 files for starting whatever you want to start with it, like a clipboard manager.
Bonustip: the best way to make screenshots on X11 is by combining scrot and xclip and make hotkeys for that. This includes making screenshots by drawing a rectangle.
It would be great to showcase the new Cosmic OS with their tiling window manager, catppuccin themes, etc for a 10min rice for those who don’t want to go all in
I'm an arch user of 10 years, been using tiling window managers a bit longer than that.
The pain of ricing, I'll never do it again, because I switched to NixOS last month, and stylix basically needed a few lines of config in my main config, and it changed almost every app I use to catppuccin, and the few I use it didn't change, they already use my terminals colors, so they changed as well
Oh, forgot to say, stylix supports arbitrary color schemes (not just catppuccin). Or even picking colors from your wallpaper, but the latter one I think I would never use
I’ve been using arch Linux for 3 years now. Before that, I used Debian for years. I also will switch to nixos. I’ve been ricing nixos in a virtual machine. Until that I will remain on arch.
I would also like to use NixOS but because they're not FHS compliant, I'm afraid most of the software I use will not work. Sure my desktop will look great, but what is the point if I can't do work in it?
@@groff8657nixpkgs (their package repository) has _a lot_ of software already packaged, and as such it basically just works. On rare occasions the app you want to use isn't packaged, but you can make a package request at the repo, or look for how some similar programs are packaged and package your app yourself! It's by no means obvious, but with some practice it's quite doable
@@groff8657Each derivation in Nix follows the FHS, so you don't have one which can cause dependency hell and makes reproducibility impossible, but you get one for each derivation. The fact that some prepackaged software requires a FHS is not a real problem for Nix. You can either fix it at compile time, patch the binaries after the build, fix dynamic linking with Nix-LD or even just spawn a FHS for a specific app/shell with `buildFHSUserEnv`. Most of the time you, don't need to bother with these things, but once in a while you bump into this and then it's a bit of extra work. But the advantage is that you do it once and it works forever on every machine.
So I installed hyprland after watching your first video, and riced up with wofi, mako, waybar using catppuccin theme, and almost finished before your second video came out (I haven't used it before). Now working on wofi to launch a keymap hint , in case i forget any. Just loving it 🥰
Personally I've found KDE to just absolutely wipe the floor with everything else now that wayland support is in good shape. Yes, it tiles just fine, no, I don't need to use the mouse with it any more then with sway/hypr, no, you don't get that experience out of the box, you still have to tinker with it. But when you're done tinkering, what remains is just so much more that you don't need to bother with. Notifications, launcher, clipboard, lock screen,, cattpuccin support for qt/gtk, it's all there.
catppuccin for gtk apps was a fork of Colloid-gtk-theme by vinceliuice which is still getting developed and maintained and has options to install as catppuccin mode for your gtk apps
Dang I was worried for a sec there. Thanks!
@@mthalter no problem.... enjoy
In Linux,
You can customize everything ❌
You have to customize everything ✅
Stylix and NixOS is the perfect combo to combat the theming issue
Took some time setting up my i3 with your videos, but to me it's worth the time, since i have fun doing it and it's comfortable when im working
It's definitely worth the time. Just an unfortunate thing that I think pushes too many people away from linux
@@typecraft_devI think the worst part is the maintenance. I’d be fine configuring once and not having to touch it forever, but the unstable and dynamic nature of the linux desktop means a lot the tooling gets abandoned or superceded or unmaintained, which means I have to look for another alternative and configure that and so on and so forth
I went through ricing on Linux, then got a MacBook for work and installed yabai (basically a bspwn clone for Mac) and what I got is a very Linux-like workflow and an amazing default desktop environment underneath.
Great video. Congrats on 100k. Keep up the good work.
I did quite an amount of customisation previously and now I stick with Fedora with Gnome without even changing the default wallpaper. And.. I still love it.
Tbh tiling window manager and arch linux has only one purpose: "to impress your friends", but given you use arch you'd have no friends
I use arch btw
Edit: Slightly tangential topic
RICE -> (Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements
I've been ricing Hyprland with for the past few weeks and felt this video, there are a few scrpt installs that are really solid if you or anyone else wants to get a more out of the box feel in a slick hyprland environment, check out ML4W's script install, great standalone or base to get a stable hyprland session, cheeers!
Great content as always! You hit the nail on the head my friend. The struggle is real.
much better without many perspective changes ! Thanks ❤❤❤
The max customisation I do is change the accent color and wallpape (gnome) ;)
I pretty much much leave everything stock! (Even terminal colors and nvim colorscheme are the default ones) I’ve changed these many times and just gave up at one point as I found myself doing these more than doing anything productive and get things done.
Linux ricing and config management/customisation tailoring to our needs is a rabbit hole and that’s the beauty of it!
Thank you for making this video! I just went through that pain trying to get a unified Rose Pine theme for Gnome and was thinking about trying out Hyprland, outside of the general pain of theming it, have you enjoyed using Hyprland as a whole?
yes! I have enjoyed it a lot. And the pain isn't any worse than other tiling WMs.
Possible to get your dotfiles uploaded? Seems like a great way to start or learn more from. I have configured my own configs, since i wanted a vertical waybar, not alot of other configs has that. But would still be nice to see how you implemented with catpuccin. Thanks for a great video.👍🏻
hey I do! github.com/typecraft-dev/dotfiles
Yeah... Hyprland was very cool, but for now I gave up due to configuration hell, but also the immaturity of Hyprland and having to use a bunch of AUR-only packages. That's not where I want to spend my time, and GNOME "just works."
That being said, this little experiment really makes me appreciate the work that goes into KDE and GNOME.
I went through this pain recently and gladly came back to... gnome. Now appreciate how awesome this is. And with tiling manager plugin from pop os it works like hyprland :)
The tiling window manager to gnome pipeline is real. I just want things to work and look and feel consistent, and only care about tiling wms insofar as they give me productivity.
But if the time spent configuring and maintaining my rice exceeds the productivity boost from a tiling environment, that’s just stupid for me. If I wasn’t using fedora sway I’d just be used fedora gnome or linux mint cinnamon.
Hey man, just letting you know that through your videos I learned a lot, from nvim to titling window managers to ricing and now nix. You are doing some good stuff. Thanks again
Thank you for this video. As someone who is currently ricing it for everforest I can say catpuccin people go the easy road. 😅
Fun aside. There are so many people adopting hyprdots and don't understand what's behind it. They come to the forums and don't even know the wiki for hyprland. All those people promoting this dotfile/installer thing should link your video to show the hassle.
Thanks for the ricing intro. Btw, nice mustache, man.
Even though I love making rice, I think it's all a bottomless hole for people without time, I know that there are dotfiles, but there is nothing better than using a configuration created and thought out by you, for a long time I designed several interfaces, but I never managed to complete one of them, because I always fell into the same thought, "where am I spending my time", I even started creating an OS with the hyprland interface by default, but if you have time left over to create something for yourself, congratulations! you just fell into an incredible world, otherwise it's just a loop that will never end...
Thank you for this video, it's a topic I've been thinking about for a long time.
I love spending my whole workday configuring my setup and getting everything looking great just for an update to break something the next day 😂
Love that!
normally I'd be like... "tch, don't exaggerate," but a qt update did actually bork my config for like 3 days just the other week.
I had to use a totally vanilla and unconfigured gnome 😢
I’ve caught you at last! We are the sons of the terminal! I am The Pain of Ricing Linux! I shall guide you to a world of anguish beyond your imagination where dependencies never end and kernel panics are your constant companion. Let’s get started, and may the bees of broken packages sting you forever
- The Pain
0:52 not me nodding to the intro ❤
Discovered your channel recently. Thanks for the tutorial vids man.
Seeing such configuration is always awe inspiring. I kind of want to try the Hyprland but knowing how much work it needs to satisfy my needs so far always turned me off. Someday I will grow up to do this ;). For now, moving from Screen to Tmux will suffice
I am loving HyprPanel (not hyprpanel) at the moment. Its so good and comes with default themes you can change in a config panel.. with Catppuccin themes out of the box! love it! :)
I just laughed my sht at the title, lmao. I left Hyprland because of how buggy it is, now I use sway and I'm happy.
I found a new channel to follow. Thanks!
Awesome! Thank you!
Laughs in Cinnamon with Flat-Remix Darkest Red and Simple-Circle-Yellow icon set.
Sounds nice!
@@typecraft_dev Absolutely. A truly visually integrated workspace. Riced AF.
Cool linux content, keep it up
Thanks will do
This is why I went back to KDE with Krohnkite. If I ever have to customize my config with a freaking JSON again I'll throw my PC out of the window. Krohnkite, to my surprise, works perfectly fine out of the box. No plasma crashes, great choice of layouts, full keyboard navigation working and Kwin rules take care of pesky titlebars and borders.
With my limited time I had to choose: Get good at ricing, or get good at programming.
Needless to say, I'm now using MATE
The things is, imagine doing all that work and then with the simple change of a wallpaper theme, everything goes to 💩 and you now have to edit every single program on your system again to look nice with such wallpaper. Basically, before any rice, you have to commit to a color scheme first.
if you're comfortable with manual ricing and some scripting and you like changing color themes a lot it shouldn't be that hard to make a script that replaces colors over all of your config files using a theme you define in whatever format in one place
That's why potatoes are better than rice.
Hey I love your wallpapers --and your content lol. Where do your get the wallpapers from?
So I'm writing this from OpenBSD with cwm, and my configuration for xterm, xidle and some other standard tools (included into OpenBSD fork of Xorg) has been stable for about 15 years. There is a standard from pre-wayland times, it's called Xresources, and it works just fine. It allows exactly what you want - set up fonts and colors independently from the application development. I know Linux moved past on Xorg, but the design approach still could be reused. My biggest issue with ricing is not the effort and separate steps, it's the stability. I want to make the best configuration for me, and I want to keep it for 10, 15, 20 years, if I'm happy with it.
I wanted kind of the same thing. A working hyprland config that looks good with almost no effort configuring. I used the ML4W dotfiles, just copied over my existing shell config and i was good to go (after changing some of the keybindings)
I would love a video on setting up a drawing tablet, that would be dope!
Garuda Linux has a ready to use distribution with the sway WM and a cohesive gorgeous theme
why is everyone obsessed with badpuccin
Here in The Netherlands we have a saying. "Who wants to be beautiful has to suffer¨.
given the major attempts to theme gtk4 are now abandoned maybe we should credit the gnome team for officially not supporting theming
Your bar looks awesome!
Oh, I've been through this when I was trying to configure awesomewm last year. You barely mentioned the widgets, I couldn't find a decent one to control volume, and the bluetooth one kept glitching out, not to mention them all looking so different from each other that the final thing was just ugly. I ended up giving up, Plasma gives enough customization options and the "tiling" features aren't the end of the world, but I'm considering switching to hyprland every day. Here's a trick I learned: Plasma sets up both Qt and GTK for you when you set a color scheme, it changes all the files in the GTK directories so GTK and Qt apps all look the same even when not on Plasma. I'm thinking the secret to doing this is to run hyprland alongside Plasma, to let Plasma do the configs and possibly use it's apps too but never log into it, just use hyprland. The day I figure out how to put Plasma widgets on Waybar is the day I switch to hyprland.
It’s like the old saying goes, “once you rice, your system looks NICE”. 😎
Could you consider featuring multi-monitor setups in the next episode of Hyprland series? That would be very helpful..
re: Wofi being a mess, you might be able to use Rofi instead! Theres a fork with Wayland support, packaged in the main Arch repos as "rofi-wayland"
Or use fuzzel
Hyprland actually is a good thing. Some people really love to tinker to get their desktop exactly how they want. For years, being crippled by rigid desktop environments was frustrating. Let the end user types use those restrictive desktop environments and let the tinkerers have their tiling WM toys.
Framework review when?
YES I have one planned. definitely coming soon!
The best tiling WM is KDE+tiling kwin script(e.g. krohnkite). Everything working out of the box including panel, widgets(including sound mixer and network manager), system settings, file manager etc, and the tiling experience is basically flawless.
I used DWM in the past which i loved, i configured it hardly and still functionality was lacking badly. KDE setup is MUCH better, if you want simple tiling wm then just use KDE, i insist.
It would be great to have hyperpaper become part of hyprland. At least for simple wallpapers
Love the sound of your keyboard, do you mind telling us what keyboard you use?
amzn.to/3YgZMYn -- HHKB Type S!
I use cosmic DE to generate a GTK dark theme which match my RosePine theme on Hyprland. It looks great.
Great video, again!
that’s why i am back on mac for now. was tinkering instead of just doing
As said in maybe other comments, just use nix and use stylix for your ricing, it makes things so easy to have consistent color scheme everywhere and fonts and the rest.
COSMIC please. Tiling WM without pain. I will probably hang out a year or two on hypr, but I really hope COSMIC will deliver.
you bring back past trauma with this one
Ngl this video has good timing, as just 3 days ago I moved from Hyprland back to Plasma 6 because of this very issue. It's already difficult enough to get your rice to look nice, but when updates start breaking things it becomes a cat and mouse game to find what broke and why, how to fix it, then only have it broken again in a future update.
Case in point, 2 months ago KDE apps like Dolphin stopped following my custom Qt theme I'd configured with qt6ct and kvantum and they also stopped following my custom icon theme (Papirus dark btw). I never managed to find a fix for it so I just rolled with it. But then last week Qt theming broke even worse and now all Qt 6 theming is broken and I just get a default white theme for Qt 6 apps. Meanwhile KDE Qt apps still have their hardcoded default theme, but they have no icons whatsoever.
Then there's also the fact that on NixOS some apps for configuring GTK themes like nwg-look don't work in NixOS's unique directory structure and try to look for installed themes in places that don't exist. So I have to manually make symlinks in my home dir to allow nwg-look to find the proper themes from there.
Then there's also the fact that some of my custom scripts to implement functionality such as volume increasing/decreasing with a notification and some animations when I press a hotkey occasionally break after an update. Though tbf this is mainly my fault for using an unstable scripting language that changes quickly.
Of course I have had other issues in the past. I've used Hyprland for 7 months after all. But I mostly tolerated them, even one particularly bad problem where on some Hyprland versions my OBS recording would randomly freeze on an arbitrary frame until I re-select the source game window and thus I had to constantly switch between my game and OBS while playing and recording to check if I had to fix it in real time.
So at one point I just decided I didn't want to keep up with all these changes and to be constantly on the lookout for major or subtle breakages on every update. I went back to Plasma 6 where I don't have tiling nor can I configure even some basic stuff like moving the freakin OSD volume notification to the corner of the screen instead of the center. But at least I don't have to deal with all the aforementioned pain points. And I can apply some of what I've learned from Hyprland to improve upon my former workflow before trying Hyprland. E.g. I can use virtual desktops whereas previously I never touched them and I can simulate submaps by making a shortcut that runs a script that expects a single key input and then runs a command based on the key.
All in all, I realized that while I like having a riced up system, I don't have the will to maintain it forever and ultimately prefer stuff to just work.
EDIT: just to be clear and explicit, I love Hyprland and its workflow. It was my first tiling WM. However, I don't like the unstable and error-prone environment in which I must run it. I suppose this makes me the perfect candidate for Cosmic when it's released, huh?
"That's it! I am done ricing and everything's perfect! I wont change anything anymore... maybe just... just one more thing." - Every Linux Ricer at some point in their lives
He says a tiling wm is a lot of work to configure after enthusiastically making a whole series on ricing neovim lol. Personally, I feel like both are totally worth it.
Please use rofi-wayland instead of wofi already. And the catpouccin theme for it is excellent
you got it!
Linux is for people who love terminals and may not prioritize aesthetics in their user interface. If you are aiming for a beautiful desktop, you will need to customize it extensively. I used Debian for years with the default XFCE desktop environment, which I find to be quite unappealing. However, the focus was on performance and the rich terminal capabilities that Linux offers.
Video Summary: Find a problem. Sell the solution. #shamelessPlug
In Linux, you can customize absolutely everything. And you have to do it.
Still an undergrad in CSE. I think I leant more while messing with my system configs then any other course I have taken, Yes it takes lot of time but its the best productive procrastination there is
NGL, as much as I enjoyed my time Ricing with nix, it would be nice to be able to get a nice tiling window manager interface without having to spend hours setting up the system.
I left nix and hyprland for arch and gnome just because there were so many weird issues that I did not have time to work around. I'm rather sad about this because nether gnome nor kde seem to have good implementations of hyprland style tiling.
Hoping cosmic fills this niche when it comes out of alpha.
yeah I've been hearing good things about cosmic as well
@@typecraft_dev I also just found out that it is apparently possible to integrate hyprland and lxqt so I might try that until cosmic releases
And then you also have Qt applications, and different formats for mouse cursors, and on top of everything you have flatpaks. I have something decent looking, but I've had to purposefully stop trying to match everything (KeePassXC still using default colorscheme, which is terrible) just so I could actually use my computer for what I need.
I use Rofi instead of wofi. Docs are better and it still works pretty good in wayland. Only caveat, the windows menu won't work out of the box. I had to create my own
Iirc I've also had window selection broken at some point but since I last installed a wm I just run "rofi -show window" and it works, must have been fixed
@@rjawiygvozd I think there's a warning for some protocol compliance on that windows menu documentation. Maybe it is a hyprland thing...
I just wish everyone used a more standard config and styling system/language
Like Lua/css or something
So many different syntaxes!
if you chose to use a DIY distro and a DIY DE you are expected to learn how they work and make it pretty by yourself. It is a nice flex to have a cool rice anyway.
We should standardized the configuration format in linux tooling
The contenders are YAML, JSON and TOML.
IMO TOML is the best of both YAML and JSON.
I also want to add configuration should never have logic.
TOML for default configuration file format in linux gor tool configuration
The best configuration files are in programming languages. I think recently apple released a configuration format that allows logic, so I didn't know why you are against that.
Yaml toml are good for less advanced programs. Json is the worst because it doesn't allow comments.
@@007arek yeah lua is being used in wezterm and neovim as a plugin and config language. Apple's Pkl is also great but the question is scripting and config should remain different. For example in web development CSS, JavaScript are different.
@@vikaspoddar001 css with html is turing complete 😅
@@007arek Oh, I see
What's your keyboard? It sounds so good
HHKB Type S! amzn.to/3C8iLwP - been using this thing for ten years!
For a GTK catppuccin theme, I'd suggest using Colloid-theme which supports different colors schemes including catppuccin.
Wofi docs suck it almost got no docs other than man-pages but I was able to do my custom Wofi theme by using same CSS variables from the Waybar catppuccin theme... I use nixos btw.
Omakub takes all this stress alway
Reserve a full day for creating your config and go through the documentation.
Wayland and GUIs in general are full of churn. Pretty much everything there is ephemeral and you have to re-learn and re-fix the same things every few years. So I've moved more and more to command line solutions, since those mostly are just one-and-done, freeing me to focus on moving forward instead of constantly fixing old stuff over and over. I won't be switching to Wayland until it provides the features I rely on daily, like network transparency, or until I simply have no choice.
how does your terminal look like that? i tried to do that myself but i could only change the color of the text and couldn't put it in a bubble like yours
Next video I’ll show it off
Let’s use Claude’s computer use to configure a vanilla window manager 😅
Hyprdots has been a joy
Did a little Mac ricing with yabai skhd hyperkey sketchybar ray cast… you know the drill…the good thing is with the lack of other option it’s not a big rabbit hole like on Linux…might get a Linux computer just for that
The sad thing is there has been a standard way to set styles... xresources/xdefaults, but so many projects had to do it some other way.
7:20 oh boy don't get me started how lost i was to actually config wofi , only to end up yay -R wofi .......
I'm spoiled by nix which centralizes all of this stuff. Especially with tools like Stylix
I’ll have to check that out
if you add more blur to the lock screen it will look better and give you more privacy.
Hyprland people are disturbingly sick people. Switched to KDE recently and it's amazing.
I CANNOT get my Hyprlock to work…. After unlocking the screen is just frozen without being able to interact with anything