I had a chance to ride one of these sets in as a teen in 1972, amazingly enough on the B&O between Parkersburg and Grafton, WV! The local Congressman, Harley Staggers, was Chairman of the House Surface Transportation Subcommittee, so if Harley wanted the latest Amtrak equipment to serve his district, he got it, at least for awhile. Derisively called "Harley's Hornet", or "The Staggers Special", it ran between Parkersburg and DC on an every-other-day schedule for a little over a year in '72-'73. It was a three car set, I believe. The opposing service was a conventional heritage train, usually getting a B&O or C&O E unit (I got a cab ride in one of those that same day as well!). I rode the "dome" section of the power car, and my memory of the trip is that from the inside the turbine sounded like being in a muffled Hoover vacuum cleaner with the exhausts coming up through the middle of the section. The operator's compartment had glass window partitions, so passengers could look ahead at the scenery and see the control panel, and what the engineer was doing. I don't think we exceeded 40 mph between Parkersburg and Grafton, but it did get up to 79 mph at times between Cumberland, MD and DC. It's a shame that none of Amtrak's or VIA's UAC Turbos made it into preservation. Amtrak's were sold to Napparano Iron and Steel for scrap in 1981. The UAC Turbo train made a cameo appearance in at least one Hollywood movie, 1974's "The Seven-Ups", with Roy Scheider (the Sheriff from "Jaws"). There is a running gun fight near the end of the movie along the Northeast Corridor in the NY area, looks like maybe East of the Hellgate Bridge, and the Turbo flashes by in the background. Also a conventional Amtrak train with the red and platinum mist-painted GG-1 (#925 I think) rushes by.
This train set is maaaaay too much!!!! Awesome! It gets me very nostalgic of my frequent rides between Montreal and Toronto and Ottawa - Montreal aboard CN TurboTrain ; I could not get enough of their Club cars (First class) seats and incredible service provided by hostesses wearing John Warden designed uniforms and cocktail long dress when serving evenign cocktails and dinners. Those were really the days! Thank-you for the post!
This is a real pace-age looking train, Eric, and you're right that the extra car length adds depth to the rake. And I like the recorded commentary which, with the figures, adds the human quality to what is otherwise a 4-raol toy.
Exactly! Kids like sound and kids like speed. I bring one to shows for my club to run and kids are locked onto it. It’s also nice to see fast and slow trains on the same layout. If we combine our 2 sister clubs into ours it comes to 40 x 60, and it’s awesome to watch if fly around the layout.
While in college in Providence, R.I., I took the turbo often to Boston, getting off at Back Bay. One of the many exciting features of the Turbo is the time when it banks into a curve, all the while leaving the passenger with the feeling of still feeling upright as opposed to leaning. After lo these many years I have been corrected, once believing this articulated train to be the design of the Sikorsky people of Connecticut.
Sikorsky was involved with this train design , my father's cousin Richard Deichmann an engineer with them told me about the project years ago . He would love them train models currently available . Unfortunately he passed away 10 years ago .
So that's the model locomotive referenced in the song "Red Barchetta" by Rush...! "On Sundays I'd elude the eyes, and hop the turbine freight... to far outside the wire where my white-haired uncle waits." (short guitar-solo bridge) "Jump to the ground as the turbo slows to cross the borderline..."
Wow a very intresting model , fantastically made ,i have two gas turbine models with dcc sound they sound like jet air craft when powering up etc which sounds very cool. You must put many hours in on your system it looks very very good .....jim
Hi Eric. this is the video I have been waiting for, thanks. One thing I would like to ask, can you make a video of the Turbo Train running at full speed? thanks Frank
This was a 1970 something livery for this.The E8s and the FP45 in amtrak in 1970 something had orange and black on their nose.and the Amtrak and the red and blue arrow.
Eric, unless I am missing it, could you post the costs of these units. You have on some, and I was wondering with the Turbo, what am I looking at to get the 3 piece and how much was the add-on passenger car... Great Work..
Hey Eric awesome video as always, i was just wondering are you going to purchase the 2014 lionel vision line big boy? And if you are will you do a review for it?
+ericstrains the wierd thing about the frame rate flickering is on steam engine at least it oddly looks appropriate yes it doesn't happen on the real thing but for some reason it looks strangely realistic anyway at least for me.
I wish you can take some Birdseye view of train and side view and front view photo maybe to late by 7 years because I want to build a 3D model in the transit game
using a fish weighing device except instead of attaching it to a fish you attach it to a coupler. I think he showed how he does it in one of the video train blogs but I don't remember which one.
Real Turbo trains had couplers behind the openable cowls in front and back. In teory so that 2 turbos could be coupled togerther. In practice: so a conventional locomotive could pull the train when it failed :-( Nit pick: The USA Turbo trains were first operated by New Haven Railroad, absorbed into Penn Central which then gave it to Amtrak. In Canada, the trains were UAC and made by MLW (Montreal Locomotive Works who then workded to build the LRC). Sikorsky was not used on any branding. The turbines were madfe in Montréal by what is now Pratt & Whitney (a unit of UAC). In early 1980s, I rode a Turbo train from Montréal to Kingston, and came back on the innaugular revenue run of the LRC (before it started to have all the problems). Note: your model lacks the fancy banking hardware that is part of the bogie/coupling between 2 cars :-) The 2 bars linking cars/bogie were part of this. And the cars were faiurly close to each other, but not sure if it prevented the trains from traveling on any regular mainline track. My memory of the sound is that it was a bit lower pitched. More like a stronjg fan than a whistle. Obviously hard to reproduce on a model train :-) CN had to rebuild the trains and moved from 7 to 9 car trains (thus fewer trainsets).
Rapido Trains came out with a fully accurate replica of the Turbo Train some years ago with original sounds. Beautiful model too. Multiple paint schemes including Amtrak’s “Broken Arrow” scheme. Check them out if you get a chance.
I'm sad that MTH went with the "early" Amtrak livery for this unit and never made the "late" Amtrak livery for it. In my personal opinion the later livery looks so much better and more iconic to Amtrak and American railway. Maybe someday.
Jillips Entertainment yea but you cant beat a turbine, nor a steam engine for raw out and out power, but eating lots of fuel is what made steamers soo expensive, but they had raw power and had advanced quite a bit by the late steam era in the 40's and 50's I mean it took them till the 1960s to make a diesel electro to make the same power as an old steamer, and those were the double units built for the union pacific articulated and then the gas turbines the big blow at 8500 hp to 10000 at low altitudes but the turbine was just an engine to drive the generator, still take one of them over the modern electros, or diesel electros. But on the positive side the last two years has seen good news for old steamers being used in excursion service, and a t1 prr trying to be built from scratch since none were saved and it was one of the most powerful and fastest american locomotive built of steam power, it was distinct, but had bad wheelslip and the enginers were not trained to ease the throttle up to control the power effective while starting, after all it had a set of 4 4 4 4 config thats two wheels leading two sets of two drivers and two trailing.
manga12 The T1 is an interesting locomotive type. Can't there be a group to rebuild a Dreyfuss Hudson? Those were really distinct. Also, don't forget about 4014.
Jillips Entertainment Oh I know well about 4014, and 611, as for a hudson well I forget what they looked like, but they decided to try to build a prr t1 class, but I dont know how long it will take it took them about 20 years to cast that remake of the famous tornado class that held the world record for steam at speed in G B, they say though the t1 was faster but non left to prove it as all were scrapped.
This train's crew talk is the only one I've heard to date that is not absolutely ridiculous. I actually kind of liked the addition of it. Except for the "she ran great" part. That was definitely pretty dumb.
Adam Swindell The review was filmed over a period of about a month during October and November and during that time the new trestle section was installed.
I just love the crew talk feature on all of these fine locos, However I think that Lionel and MTH should get up to date, as here in the UK we do have women drivers and crew. Perhaps in the states as well?
You have to be kidding me that they offered it in 2010 and they shipped in 2013! WTF is wrong with people for allowing MTH, Lionel and any other company to play with their money for 3 or more years and then ship when they feel like it! Since MTH pimped me on the Aerotrain, not shipping for 2 years, I urge ANY 3 rail train collector or operator to not pre-order ANYTHING from a toy train company. They will get the message sooner or later and may offer customer service like they should, not the BS they offer!
@Eric's Trains - How fast does it go compared to the other trains? Is there a difference? This train looks like a BOAT at first sight. LOL! Still looks cool and very STREAMLINED.
I can never pronounce it like that because I took 6 years of Latin lol. The word "via" is comes directly from the Latin word "via", which means "road" or "way"....and the Latin word is pronounced "vee-ah". Haha. Actually, technically speaking, since the Roman alphabet used the letter V to make a W sound, it would be pronounced "wee-ah"...but all my Latin teachers always said "vee-ah".
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I had a chance to ride one of these sets in as a teen in 1972, amazingly enough on the B&O between Parkersburg and Grafton, WV! The local Congressman, Harley Staggers, was Chairman of the House Surface Transportation Subcommittee, so if Harley wanted the latest Amtrak equipment to serve his district, he got it, at least for awhile. Derisively called "Harley's Hornet", or "The Staggers Special", it ran between Parkersburg and DC on an every-other-day schedule for a little over a year in '72-'73. It was a three car set, I believe. The opposing service was a conventional heritage train, usually getting a B&O or C&O E unit (I got a cab ride in one of those that same day as well!). I rode the "dome" section of the power car, and my memory of the trip is that from the inside the turbine sounded like being in a muffled Hoover vacuum cleaner with the exhausts coming up through the middle of the section. The operator's compartment had glass window partitions, so passengers could look ahead at the scenery and see the control panel, and what the engineer was doing. I don't think we exceeded 40 mph between Parkersburg and Grafton, but it did get up to 79 mph at times between Cumberland, MD and DC. It's a shame that none of Amtrak's or VIA's UAC Turbos made it into preservation. Amtrak's were sold to Napparano Iron and Steel for scrap in 1981.
The UAC Turbo train made a cameo appearance in at least one Hollywood movie, 1974's "The Seven-Ups", with Roy Scheider (the Sheriff from "Jaws"). There is a running gun fight near the end of the movie along the Northeast Corridor in the NY area, looks like maybe East of the Hellgate Bridge, and the Turbo flashes by in the background. Also a conventional Amtrak train with the red and platinum mist-painted GG-1 (#925 I think) rushes by.
This train set is maaaaay too much!!!! Awesome! It gets me very nostalgic of my frequent rides between Montreal and Toronto and Ottawa - Montreal aboard CN TurboTrain ; I could not get enough of their Club cars (First class) seats and incredible service provided by hostesses wearing John Warden designed uniforms and cocktail long dress when serving evenign cocktails and dinners. Those were really the days! Thank-you for the post!
This is a real pace-age looking train, Eric, and you're right that the extra car length adds depth to the rake.
And I like the recorded commentary which, with the figures, adds the human quality to what is otherwise a 4-raol toy.
Very sleek train for sure and great sound effects. Now this is a train that children will enjoy see running fast...
Exactly! Kids like sound and kids like speed. I bring one to shows for my club to run and kids are locked onto it. It’s also nice to see fast and slow trains on the same layout. If we combine our 2 sister clubs into ours it comes to 40 x 60, and it’s awesome to watch if fly around the layout.
Beautiful looking and great sounding set. The extra car you added makes it even better. Great review. Sad none of theses survived in a museum
Great review Eric! Very handsome set! Thanks for sharing!
Great review, love the train. Thanks Eric
Robert
Its been 8 years?!? Sheesh I remember when this video came out, I still want one of these turbos.
Awesome review, Eric. Keep up the good work.
Nice model. Iiked the back drop too. The yard behind looks interesting too.
absolutely beautiful and unique train!
This was really good tech, and some of the techs used in this train are still good tech even in today.
While in college in Providence, R.I., I took the turbo often to Boston, getting off at Back Bay. One of the many exciting features of the Turbo is the time when it banks into a curve, all the while leaving the passenger with the feeling of still feeling upright as opposed to leaning. After lo these many years I have been corrected, once believing this articulated train to be the design of the Sikorsky people of Connecticut.
Cool
Sikorsky was involved with this train design , my father's cousin Richard Deichmann an engineer with them told me about the project years ago . He would love them train models currently available . Unfortunately he passed away 10 years ago .
Forget to mention that a helicopter company knows how to drive a transmission off of a turbine engine.
So that's the model locomotive referenced in the song "Red Barchetta" by Rush...!
"On Sundays I'd elude the eyes, and hop the turbine freight... to far outside the wire where my white-haired uncle waits."
(short guitar-solo bridge)
"Jump to the ground as the turbo slows to cross the borderline..."
This is by far, the best looking Turbo Train in O gauge.
Great review Eric, the turbotrain is a very unique set. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, Brad!
Great review Eric love the sounds
I saw these as a Kid in Bostons South Station when they first arrived. they were pretty cool.
I love this train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is Great, in fact i never even heard of the Amtrak Turbotrain before, But it's Really Cool.👍❤
Cool!
Wow a very intresting model , fantastically made ,i have two gas turbine models with dcc sound they sound like jet air craft when powering up etc which sounds very cool. You must put many hours in on your system it looks very very good .....jim
That's pretty groovy! Thanks for this.
Eric, I fell behind, What is Proto 3 and what functions does it have?
The turbo train is your best review
Cool set
Nice review Eric. ,, who has the best interior detail I though Kline at one did
Hi Eric. this is the video I have been waiting for, thanks. One thing I would like to ask, can you make a video of the Turbo Train running at full speed? thanks Frank
This was a 1970 something livery for this.The E8s and the FP45 in amtrak in 1970 something had orange and black on their nose.and the Amtrak and the red and blue arrow.
Awesome train
Great job love it
Correction they was never built originally for Amtrak USDOT or New Haven brought them first in 68
F7Aengineer correct . amtrak didnt even exist when the turbos were first put into service .
The leds looked like they were shooting lasers. Pretty fitting considering the sleek, space-age design.
That step on the step actually looks like a third rail pick-up, they are used on lines going into New York.
this is a turbo engine, not electric you know...
@@mariebcfhs9491 they had electric pickups because of emissions restrictions
A lot of complex details on this set. Well done demo. Do you know why Amtrak & VIA Train took this Turbo Train out of service?
This is neat Eric
Is a train like made in HO? This one is a must for track side passage sound. nice review.
Can you do a review on Lionel's Amtrak Acela?
Eric you are the Coolest "Engineer Bill" on RUclips !!!
What's the trailing steam from the exhaust at 18:46?
Eric, unless I am missing it, could you post the costs of these units. You have on some, and I was wondering with the Turbo, what am I looking at to get the 3 piece and how much was the add-on passenger car... Great Work..
I'd like to see this in a museum
Hey Eric awesome video as always, i was just wondering are you going to purchase the 2014 lionel vision line big boy? And if you are will you do a review for it?
Yes and yes.
Sweet n sleek👍🤘🤘
at 17:40, the effects that I'm seeing aren't just the flickering, it's those blue lense flares that caught my eye
Those are simply lens flares from the camera I was using. I've since upgraded to more high end video camera that doesn't have those.
ericstrains Well, you better, OR ELSE.....
U thought there'd be more, didn't u?!?!
SmeagolPlaysMC It's a crying train :P
+ericstrains the wierd thing about the frame rate flickering is on steam engine at least it oddly looks appropriate yes it doesn't happen on the real thing but for some reason it looks strangely realistic anyway at least for me.
I was hoping that you would show it running in the dark since you said how good it looked.
I already shot a night run of this train a few months ago. It's on my youtube channel.
Oh yeah. Sorry, forgot about that.
what kind of locomotive do you recommend for an Amtrak superliner train
P42.
In the United States it is a five car train set and in Canada it's a seven car train set
Is the PFA announcements saying the Yankee Clipper?
Yes. On the Second Amtrak Scheme (1970s "Pointless Arrow") the name of the train is the "Flying Yenake"
Nice train.
there are no bell?
I wants this in the OTHER Amtrak logo scheme & in HO scale
Eric, are the way the Amtrak cars uncouple prototypical?
It's very nice
awesome
The reason the Turbo trains didn't take off in the U.S is because the tracks they intended to run them on were unsafe for the intended speeds.
How much did this cost, Eric?
I wish you can take some Birdseye view of train and side view and front view photo maybe to late by 7 years because I want to build a 3D model in the transit game
Good job
Sweet!
How do you measure the pulling power of a locomotive?
using a fish weighing device except instead of attaching it to a fish you attach it to a coupler. I think he showed how he does it in one of the video train blogs but I don't remember which one.
It look's cool when da LED light's r going down
oh I want one in the other Amtrak scheme & 10 cars!
& in HO scale
Looooooove that train.
Wonderful
Real Turbo trains had couplers behind the openable cowls in front and back. In teory so that 2 turbos could be coupled togerther. In practice: so a conventional locomotive could pull the train when it failed :-(
Nit pick: The USA Turbo trains were first operated by New Haven Railroad, absorbed into Penn Central which then gave it to Amtrak.
In Canada, the trains were UAC and made by MLW (Montreal Locomotive Works who then workded to build the LRC). Sikorsky was not used on any branding. The turbines were madfe in Montréal by what is now Pratt & Whitney (a unit of UAC).
In early 1980s, I rode a Turbo train from Montréal to Kingston, and came back on the innaugular revenue run of the LRC (before it started to have all the problems).
Note: your model lacks the fancy banking hardware that is part of the bogie/coupling between 2 cars :-) The 2 bars linking cars/bogie were part of this.
And the cars were faiurly close to each other, but not sure if it prevented the trains from traveling on any regular mainline track.
My memory of the sound is that it was a bit lower pitched. More like a stronjg fan than a whistle. Obviously hard to reproduce on a model train :-)
CN had to rebuild the trains and moved from 7 to 9 car trains (thus fewer trainsets).
Hybrid locomotive in backound???
That’s different but cool
You'll have to get more MTH Amtrak locos, MTH makes dynamite Amtrak trains
do a cn sd40 review
cool
I saw one in Canada, South of Vancouver. BC. Looked like it was moving under it own power. Real slow. @ 10 yrs ago
I'd get this in HO but not like this
I'd want the full on Amtrak broken arrow version
Rapido Trains came out with a fully accurate replica of the Turbo Train some years ago with original sounds. Beautiful model too. Multiple paint schemes including Amtrak’s “Broken Arrow” scheme. Check them out if you get a chance.
is this train lionel compatible
+Wilfred 04 Gaming if it is I would so buy it + the addition
+Wilfred 04 Gaming yes
ericstrains thanks so much all I have to do is save up the $800 to buy it
ericstrains what The
I'm sad that MTH went with the "early" Amtrak livery for this unit and never made the "late" Amtrak livery for it. In my personal opinion the later livery looks so much better and more iconic to Amtrak and American railway. Maybe someday.
Thanks for the review. I think you convinced me to burn another hole in my wallet. Lol
my layout is 16"x 8"
where's Jason huh
Why did Americans like such a cool train less than Canadians?
Do any Turbotrains still exist?
cole mc hamster Dang. Nothing good lasts forever.
cole mc hamster It's reasons like that why lots of steam locomotives were scrapped. A shame.
Jillips Entertainment yea but you cant beat a turbine, nor a steam engine for raw out and out power, but eating lots of fuel is what made steamers soo expensive, but they had raw power and had advanced quite a bit by the late steam era in the 40's and 50's I mean it took them till the 1960s to make a diesel electro to make the same power as an old steamer, and those were the double units built for the union pacific articulated and then the gas turbines the big blow at 8500 hp to 10000 at low altitudes but the turbine was just an engine to drive the generator, still take one of them over the modern electros, or diesel electros.
But on the positive side the last two years has seen good news for old steamers being used in excursion service, and a t1 prr trying to be built from scratch since none were saved and it was one of the most powerful and fastest american locomotive built of steam power, it was distinct, but had bad wheelslip and the enginers were not trained to ease the throttle up to control the power effective while starting, after all it had a set of 4 4 4 4 config thats two wheels leading two sets of two drivers and two trailing.
manga12 The T1 is an interesting locomotive type. Can't there be a group to rebuild a Dreyfuss Hudson? Those were really distinct.
Also, don't forget about 4014.
Jillips Entertainment Oh I know well about 4014, and 611, as for a hudson well I forget what they looked like, but they decided to try to build a prr t1 class, but I dont know how long it will take it took them about 20 years to cast that remake of the famous tornado class that held the world record for steam at speed in G B, they say though the t1 was faster but non left to prove it as all were scrapped.
you just made Jason from Rapido very jealous
This train's crew talk is the only one I've heard to date that is not absolutely ridiculous. I actually kind of liked the addition of it. Except for the "she ran great" part. That was definitely pretty dumb.
When ever i see vids of these they are going abt 20
Railmaster the Canadian Passenger Train
who noticed that the layout changed in the video.
When I first read your comment, I was like what? But, you're right, the ending part of the review had the trestle in the background. Good eyes.
Adam Swindell The review was filmed over a period of about a month during October and November and during that time the new trestle section was installed.
Oh okay. Also, you are going to do a review on the Lionel F units, right?
what he called a "plow" is actually called a skert
That’s a different train
Boat train
I just love the crew talk feature on all of these fine locos, However I think that Lionel and MTH should get up to date, as here in the UK we do have women drivers and crew. Perhaps in the states as well?
I'm going to save $800so I can get a set
It almost seems as if the people who manufactured this thing almost forgot they were making a train not a plane.
that looked like a real train until you stuck your hand into the frame
In real it was 9 rail cars.
great model train
It was made by an airplane manufacturer? No wonder it looks like aircraft...
German design ha!
You have to be kidding me that they offered it in 2010 and they shipped in 2013! WTF is wrong with people for allowing MTH, Lionel and any other company to play with their money for 3 or more years and then ship when they feel like it!
Since MTH pimped me on the Aerotrain, not shipping for 2 years, I urge ANY 3 rail train collector or operator to not pre-order ANYTHING from a toy train company. They will get the message sooner or later and may offer customer service like they should, not the BS they offer!
The Rapido Trains Turbo Train is much better than this.
@Eric's Trains - How fast does it go compared to the other trains? Is there a difference?
This train looks like a BOAT at first sight. LOL! Still looks cool and very STREAMLINED.
All model trains go about the same speed.
@@Ericstrains Oh, okay. Thanks for the answer!
It’s not v-ee-ah it’s v-eye-ah my grandpa was always mad at that 😂
I can never pronounce it like that because I took 6 years of Latin lol. The word "via" is comes directly from the Latin word "via", which means "road" or "way"....and the Latin word is pronounced "vee-ah". Haha. Actually, technically speaking, since the Roman alphabet used the letter V to make a W sound, it would be pronounced "wee-ah"...but all my Latin teachers always said "vee-ah".