MTH Pennsylvania 6-4-4-6 S1 Passenger Set
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2015
- A review of the 3-Rail O-Scale Pennsylvania S1 6-4-4-6 Passenger Set by Mike's Train House (MTH). More videos on my youtube channel or at www.ericstrains.com
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Wow, they incorporated the flaws of the real engine into the model... That's damn impressive!
Well you have to incorporate every fine detail if you want to leave an impression.
4449s bell
in the start-up sequence, I love how when the Fireman is asked "How's she firing?" he replies "She's in good shape!" with just a hint of pride in his voice. That is a man who loves his engine, for sure.
This is my favorite steam locomotive of all time. And the model looks so beautiful and sleek like the real S1.
It's my favorite too!
This design is perfect for alternate modern steampunk world
I agree it looks like a steam powered bullet train
@@mrni6502 that was the idea. Back then, it was "the way of the future"
Wow. The Pennsylvania S1 looks really fancy.
We are waching a ghost train story. This ericstrains vid has 311 comments.
@@noelnalupa1755That’s cool and all, but who asked?
I wish she was never scrapped. Maybe converted to a 4-4-4-4 but not scrapped...
That would make the S1 into a shark-nosed T1.
James Groccia the T1 was already a sharknose. It’s design helped shape the Baldwin RF-16.
@@NOVARailandWeatherEnthusiast but they are bringing back to the T1 Locomotive in 2030
she needed the wheels to carry the weight, there are wheel weight restrictions on RRs just like on trucks.
Amazing how it resembles the prototype not only visually but also in that it has similar drawbacks. Beautiful engine and every time I cross that former PRR line I picture one of these racing across the flatlands.
"It looks as if it's grinning" -Gene Wilder from the 1976 film "Silver Streak." I almost got a hold of this model but it sold out at my local hobby shop, hopefully MTH will make another model in the foreseeable future. The S-1 is one of my favorite streamlined locomotives along with the F7 Hiawatha Hudson, the Dreyfuss Hudson and the Lehigh Valley John Wilkes
I lived in "Lyma" Ohio for around 1980-85. It wasn't much fun to see the line downgraded to single track. South side of Lima were remnants of the Erie double track main line to Chicago. I wish I could have lived there when Erie was going strong. The Pennsy tenders were incredibly magnificent cars, with the skirting at the bottom and the great logos on the side. I'm a big R. Loewy fan, especially when he goes full-bore with the Art Deco look. By the way my parents visited the World's Fair on their honeymoon. (We lived in New Jersey.) They had a couple of snapshots of the Trylon and Perisphere but none of the S-1, which, looking back, surprises me because my dad was an excellent builder, mechanic, and civil engineer. That display, steaming all day, was certainly a public relations stroke of genius. The Trylon has always been a most curious phenomenon. The form is rarely seen in everyday life, probably because of the impractical limitations on interior space.
I love the S1, the design is very beautiful and its very a different loco. Thanks for reviewing it Eric
Too bad Pennsy didn't save this locomotive as a static display somewhere on the system. Horseshoe Curve?
it would be awesome if they did that
g bridgman na that a GP7 mabey in Altoona or the Hamburg no never mind
They put a K4s there for a few years then replaced it with a GP7. I'm only going on memory, I'd have to check.
We can save her and any other steam locomotive inside the computer : ruclips.net/video/GyuVQXiWv0I/видео.html
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It was the most streamlined steam locomotive ever made as well as the biggest.
A beauty. You are right, great whistle. Very impressed with the chuffing.
The bell on this engine sounds just like 4449's bell.
Yup
Exactly
I agree maybe 4449’s Bell Is a piece of the S1 duplex.
Wow, what a monster; that said , an absolutely BEAUTIFUL AND AWE-INSPIRING one. A land version of such icons as the Hindenburg and Titanic. Thanks for such a great video!
"A land version of such icons as the Hindenburg and Titanic." But thankfully not as costly in human lives.
WOW! Absolutely loved your video of the MTH 20th Century Limited and always will; such an iconic train, but the S1 takes my breath away too. Thanks for your gr8 videos. :-)
whoever dreamed a 6-4-4-6 can pull an elegant train
Of note during the Worlds Fair, the miniature narrow gauge engines used at the fair were modified Vulcan locomotives with the iconic bullet nose. These engines now operate at Kennywood Park near Pittsburgh but one of two has been converted to resemble Thomas, unfortunately
That is a gorgeous beastly engine but my goodness I was stunned when you mentioned it had less than 50% weight on the drive wheels. I'm not an engineer but even I know that is not a wise move.
Very nice model, that whistle sounds great although the S1 never actually had a whistle it had a Leslie A200 air horn just as a fun fact, but I don't put that against this engine, it's a beautiful set. Great review
Love all of your train reviews. I never knew there were so many different types of model trains.
19:14 sounds EXACTLY like Southern Pacific 4449's bell
Thank you Eric.............Takes me back to my youth and my Lionel's in the 1960's
Dude. Your videos have totally made me fall in love with trains, both real and replica. Thanks for all of this exposure so such a cool hobby. If only my bank account could keep up to my interests! Cheers .
Excellent in all aspects of this engine and video, thanks for sharing.
I love the S1! It's such a pretty engine!
Its almost like norfolk and westerns steamer, but i wonder if this train would work on o-27
Tailterrier27 ha
Tailterrier27 Oh, yeah.
Tailterrier27 Not much.
(I will.)
Tailterrier27 That's really interesting.
The whistle of the S1 sounds like it’s ready for battle
Outstanding review of this model, thanks for posting.
What a gorgeous set. I was just reading about this locomotive the other day when I fell down a rabbit hole of Wikipedia articles on Pennsylvania steam.
Nice looking and sounding model! Thanks for sharing!
What a beautiful Locomotive - Thanks so much 😎👍
Great review Eric I'm a big fan of your layout and I am a big fan of the Pennsylvania Railroad because of my two grandfathers being engineer's on the PRR
I love the protosound with the staggered chuff.
Really nice looking steam. I think it has the best sound of all the steam engines you have reviewed.
Scott
im sooo jealous you have every single train
I loved your N&W 611 review
Eric, you do a superlative job!
Love the high speed passenger service shot at 22:35!
I love the whistle and the Bell on that train
To see brief clips of Pennsy 6100 running in the Chicago area Green Frog Productions has an 8 disc DVD set entitled Vintage Steam Spectacular. Within that set is a disc called The Golden Twilight of Postwar Steam Pt 1. B&W movies show brief scenes of Pennsy 6100 slowly passing the camera of Gene Miller. The cover plate for the front coupler is missing and she is pulling a first class train as she parallels the NYC tracks on her left occupied by the 20th Century Limited which is also on the move. I don't believe the DVD is sold separately. However, the 8 DVD set which includes it as well as parts 2 and 3 is just under $35.00.
Good job on the PRR S1 passenger set. I like your other videos on RUclips
In the Galaxy Railways, the Vega Platoon’s train, the Iron Burger was based on the S1.
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Very impressive locomotive for sure.
The whistle Lionel recorded for this is the same Pennsylvania 3 chime whistle that the Nickel Plate Road 765 wore on her visit to Pennsylvania in 2012. It is originally off of a PRR J
Beautiful review.
You know the T1 Trust should rebuild the S1 and have it run alongside the T1. That could be cool.
They need blueprints
TheExtremeAnimator and money 😂
Oh geez, the S1 is gonna take a longer time to build than the T1.
The number would be 6101, not 6100.
So beautiful!
That is a beautiful set.
Very nice Eric!
Not to be picky but you have the rpo car on backwards as the hook has to face forward. As a kid my grandfather worked for the Milwaukee Road Copper Country Limited and when allowed to enter the rpo car I would play with the hook. Also MTH forgot to put a handle on the hook,it looks like, as you would have to open the door to operate the hook also. Great train set, I have a T1 as the MR used those.
This is why I really like Pennsylvania railroad trains a lot.. And I do live in Pennsylvania, but I cannot tell you where I'm at.. I'm gonna say this, "Unknown Location."
Tonys Amtrak Train Videos do you live around the only PRR. I live by the NEC in Delaware so I love watching the high speed trains and commuters run by.
I live in Pittsburgh
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Nice! Finally a high speed shot
Great review, I have the older proto2 version. And I'll agree it's not happy on O72 curves. I've actually had it jump the track while backing down a O72 curve
Nice engine Eric! I'm waiting on Lionel remake this one along with the t1. 👍
+PghTrainFanatic I Know, But i don't know why but when the Y3s were Re-released in 2012, the hooter whistle was changed to a Hancock 3 Chime consistent to UP 844's Whistle
Could you imagine a Vision Line version of both the S1 and T1?
I love your channel
There are rumors that the S1 along with its successor the T1 broke Mallard's speed record with the highest speeds for both being claimed at around 140 mph.
Alex Crawford Well, with the 5550 T1 being built eventually, we will soon be able to find out
wikipedia says something about it getting a "speeding ticket" at 156mph IIRC
Alex Crawford unfortunately for this loco that's all they are as no one has ever produced any evidence to support these claims, such as timings of runs.
Matt O'Donnell if it had surely by now someone would have been able to pull the records and prove that this had occurred. Until then, this remains only a rumour.
@@mattodonnell8 yeah, they say that The PRR S1 had once hit the speed of 156 mph(249.6 km/h), a tremendous and unbelievable speed of a steam locomotive can archived.
Fantastic!
IMPRESSIVE and very, very beautiful and interesting to me 👍
They make great stuff! I used to work there.
Priceless info about the World's Fair. My parents went there on their honeymoon. Incidentally, as a kid I had a hard time figuring out the "Trylon" and why it wasn't a pyramid. (Wikipedia has the same photo as Erich's,)
Fantastic!, i would give anything to find that in N-Scale, but now thats impossible with Concor being virtually paralyzed
Another outstanding review Eric, no one does it better than you. I imagine that all the lights are LED?
Nice review. Regarding the cars, the mail hook on the baggage-RPO is backwards. Also, the coaches actually appear to be sleeping cars, judging both by the interior partitions and by the pairs of small windows above the side windows.
I love watching this engine run at 2x
Sounds like one of the most amazing engines to ride the rails at speed when the actual locomotive was riding on long runs. Great review though
Great stream line design, I always enjoy when you tell the viewers the locomotive history. World fair story very interesting. Like you said, "it is big". MTH designers & engineers do a fantastic job in making their locomotives & passenger cars look and run prototypical. Looks great on your layout. The set price is always the best deal with MTH Premier / RailKing. Well done product review, this is why I stop by. Did you add the figures to the passenger cars?
• Cheers from The Detroit & Mackinac Railway
The whistle is hauntingly good
It's a beautiful model, and has a rather striking look to her, but I must know what came over Raymond Loewy to come up with a duplex with 6-wheel pilots taking away what little weight was distributed between the two separate engine units, it's more like double heading E6 class locomotives than a 6-8-6. The T1 was much better balanced though. I thought we learned from the Midland Railway that coupling rods weren't flimsy at high speed, that's what got us off of building the single wheelers.
RockyRailroad Productions Raymond Loewy only designed the streamlined shrouding, he didn't have anything to do with deciding the wheel arrangement.
ericstrains I see, my mistake. Although I'm still curious as to what it's point was. Maybe the rollers at the fairground restricted it somehow?
RockyRailroad Productions The 6 wheeled engine and trailing trucks were needed to support the massive weight of the locomotive's overhang which did result in diminishing some of the weight over the drivers but with 84" diameter drivers, 300 lbs steam pressure and that long rigid frame it was bound to be a slippery engine. Once it was up to speed it could run like the wind but it was just too damned big.
allegheny48 If Loewy had shortened it and gotten all the drivers coupled to prevent wheelslip (Like a 4-8-6 perhaps) it could have worked better,
RockyRailroad Productions Once again, Loewy was only responsible for the sheet metal styling and had nothing to do with the mechanical design. Unfortunately a lot of ideas look good on paper but don't meet expectations when put to fabrication. All those "what ifs?". Keep in mind that 84" diameter drivers were almost always prone to slippage when starting heavy trains but were essential for high speed operation. See if your local library can get you a copy of Al Staufer's Pennsy Power. You will enjoy reading it. Also, if you subscribe to Classic Trains check the Steam Glory 3 special edition (holiday 2012) for an article entitled Pennsy's T1 reassessed by David Stephenson. I think you will find the article very interesting.
Raymond Loewy designed only the "air-smoothed" streamlining for the engine and the tender (as he did when smoothing out the original riveted GG-1 by designing a welded skin). Detailed mechanical design resulted from the collaboration of PRR with several manufacturers, although the duplex design was primarily the result of pressure from Baldwin engineers (a builder with which PRR had close connections). Baldwin engineers had been pushing this concept for several years and wanted an opportunity to try it out in practice. Baldwin had proposed this concept to B&O around 1932-1933, but the road turned down the Baldwin design because of concerns about long rigid wheel base (B&O later built its own duplex 4-4-4-4 at Mount Clare shops in 1937).
The S-1 was designed from the beginning with 6-wheel leading and trailing trucks in order to support the enormous boiler required to allow the cylinders to develop 6,500 i.h.p at high speed, an output the PRR had calculated was necessary to accelerate 1,200 tons of passenger stock to 100 mph in acceptable time and distance, and to keep it at that speed over the road. 1938 ARR tests had shown that at least 4,000 d.b.h.p. was required to achieve this result with 1,000 tons. The S-1 ended up with a maximum axle load of 71,000 pounds (versus 67,500 postulated). The engine was built by PRR at its Altoona shops early in 1939. (This information is taken from Brian Reed's essay "Pennsylvania Duplexii," in volume 2 of the book "Locomotives in Profile."
Cant wait to see the new T1
I feel almost guilty about how much pleasure the sight of this locomotive always gives me. What philistine ordered this work of art to be scrapped?
amazing. ....
It was so easy for me to fall in love with this engine 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
22:34: Fastest train Eric runs that's high end
Nice!!! I want one! 😁
You know if this train really did go faster than Millard, it be so much sadder that this was scrapped
A 36" O gauge locomotive and tender is very impressive. I would love to see it.
Nice engine eric
Eric, would you ever review a LionChief Plus engine? I heard their Camelback is scale sized I thought it looked pretty neat. I don't think it works with Legacy however.
you were right about the whistle
This art deco masterpiece would have been like a spaceship in 1939.
OMG THIS CAME OUT ON MY BIRTHDAY
Hey Eric could you possibly do a review on the t1 locomotive
For some reason, that locomotive reminds me of Megabyte from the old kids's tv show Reboot. :)
"Welcome to Leema" ?? Ouch! That may be how they pronounce it in Peru, but in Ohio it's "Lyma".
+kocn53 Yep, a silly mistake that could've been avoided by just...googling it!
lol yes. One of my pet peeves is the pronunciation by modelers of boxpok. it's box spoke, they are spokes, not pocks.
Is that pronounced at Lie-ma? Versus Lee-ma?
Thanks for another excellent review Eric. I especially enjoyed the high speed runbys. I am not sure but the screened opening just ahead of the stacks might be the exhaust for the steam driven air pumps or another front end steam driven appliance. Just curious but is a C&O Allegheny on your steam engine acquisition list?
I actually want a locomotive with wheel slippage so this is very nice
Coming back to see this video I wonder if for fun they could have put a switch on it for “wheeL slip mode” for a fun view..
You can tell this is an older model because I’ve notice one the newer ones you can hear the squeal of semi-released brakes when the engine starts
S1 irl didn't have a whistle. It had a horn
Great review Eric, your videos are always enjoyable. Just out of curiosity
which of your locomotives has the most pulling power?
+gbarnes4401 Definitely his Centipede. It has over 8 pounds of pulling power. I would be surprised if there was any other model ever that pulled more
The first time I watched this video when I came out I never noticed the air horn next to the stairs
The rigid wheel arrangement of the S1 led to the development of the duplex-drive T1.
When you reviewed the Erie Triplex you said “If it was MTH It is best to wait until later When We do the PFA”
It looks like it’s moving even when it’s not.
Have you thought of getting Lionel's latest rendition of the Reading T1 4-8-4?
Toby Pasman your wish is granted
that whistle was from trainz
Eric, is your S1 a true duplex (on a single frame)? My HO Scale version is and the minimum radius is 48".
Hey Erin idk if u herd but there going to try and build one from the ground up an s2 or an s1 but idk if they can raise enuph money to get it going if they succeed it would be a huge under taking. Emagen seeing one of those going down the road it would be Awesome
I wish company’s would make the stream lining partially removable so you could make it look like you where putting it on
please do a review with the lionel prr t1 and mth q2